Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast is going Around the NFC
Speaker 1: in forty eight minutes.
Speaker 2: Or one hundred and fourteen from the Chris Westling podcast studio,
Speaker 2: It's Around the NFL. Dan Hands is here, got heroes?
Speaker 2: Greg Rosenthal, what did you tap the table for?
Speaker 1: I just was excited. It's like the show starting.
Speaker 2: Oh, when you make eye contact and you tap the table,
Speaker 2: of course, I'm gonna think you're trying to tell me something.
Speaker 3: I was just I was just like, tough start going,
Speaker 3: You're the You're the tough start.
Speaker 1: You're the tough start.
Speaker 2: Mark Sessler and uh Patrick Clayband the pat.
Speaker 1: You're the tough start is an incredible response.
Speaker 2: You know what else is incredible that no one else
Speaker 2: is an incredible response.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Patrick, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We have no music submissions to share before we get
Speaker 2: into the National Football Conference, which we'll do at three
Speaker 2: minute bursts with.
Speaker 4: Eric Roberts manning the dart gun.
Speaker 2: The trank gun by the way, Andrew Ceciliano in stable condition.
Speaker 2: That Cedar Sinai took one too many dart shots. It
Speaker 2: seemed like it didn't affect him. You guys kind of
Speaker 2: set up Andrew a little bit and you could say
Speaker 2: that it was a little unfair.
Speaker 3: If you didn't understand the rules. That just showed. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you know, an ignorance of the process.
Speaker 2: It almost felt like and Patrick, as as someone that's
Speaker 2: just watching from the outside, on that episode, it almost
Speaker 2: was like he was targeted at points, like he was
Speaker 2: being led into a trap.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't feel like he was targeted, more so as
Speaker 5: you guys placed him in front in the line of
Speaker 5: fire to take Dart after Dart, and Eric is relentless,
Speaker 5: and you know that's that's just how it goes.
Speaker 1: That is true.
Speaker 2: You know you could see Eric even though he doesn't
Speaker 2: have any military background. Couldn't just see Eric doing some damage,
Speaker 2: like in the middle of the two and six murdering people? No,
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, yeah, he's he's he's taking out
Speaker 2: the enemy if if he had to, Like, I could
Speaker 2: see Art doing that.
Speaker 6: I will say that I am very rules driven, but
Speaker 6: I am also very bad at first person shooter games.
Speaker 6: I might just be like firing a lot, I'm learning
Speaker 6: a clip might not hit anybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, getting Patrick murdering people? How about serving your country?
Speaker 4: Patrick?
Speaker 5: You can put whatever scare quotes. Where's your pin put
Speaker 5: on your pin. I support troops.
Speaker 2: He's done it, he's covered, he's safe. Let's listen to
Speaker 2: a Patrick Laibn introduction song.
Speaker 7: Wow jazzy, very nice, Yeah, I mean, lyrically, how can
Speaker 7: you What did he say after time?
Speaker 4: Momentum is not real? Is that what he said?
Speaker 2: I think that was the opening lyric, as I recall
Speaker 2: that was from Colby Night like that, as I think
Speaker 2: on the ore, I am client now because you know
Speaker 2: the bots are coming for us. There's some they got
Speaker 2: to translate some of the lyrics, but there was, as
Speaker 2: you would imagine, a lot of the content here is
Speaker 2: connected to momentum. That was no exception. Let's listen to
Speaker 2: another one, this one from Matthew Quick.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's from Alabama. Just Harry as Alma.
Speaker 8: Is Patrick.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, nice a shorter one, very nice voice.
Speaker 4: Anything.
Speaker 2: Patrick is so damn handsome that anything that even approximates ugliness,
Speaker 2: like he's as Harry as a Lama. It doesn't to
Speaker 2: me that line didn't ring true because his beard is
Speaker 2: immaculately groomed.
Speaker 5: Anybody takes the time to pin lyrics about me, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna appreciate it, no matter.
Speaker 1: What I understand. I've never felt like a lama. But hey,
Speaker 1: you know that's wonderful, Matthew.
Speaker 2: Let's check out this one kind of blew me away,
Speaker 2: Alex Badura.
Speaker 1: It's like a Radiohead type song.
Speaker 9: For you, Patrick Lebon, you are the main momentum. What
Speaker 9: a god, what a stuff.
Speaker 1: That's tough to top.
Speaker 5: I mean, I love just as having my own positive affirmations.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean this is an ego stroke having
Speaker 2: your own songs, no doubt about it.
Speaker 4: And I thought Alex nailed everything.
Speaker 2: Obviously, the momentum things a little off, but everything else
Speaker 2: I could not quibble with any of it, including Patrick
Speaker 2: being a stud.
Speaker 1: That would be my pick.
Speaker 10: I also just did an incredible self experiment to see
Speaker 10: how far I could go into the episode without saying
Speaker 10: a single word, and I think I crossed five and
Speaker 10: a half minutes, which would be a record.
Speaker 1: You were missed, You were missed.
Speaker 10: Now that you're in there, I've been told the episode
Speaker 10: it is forty eight minutes long, so I think the
Speaker 10: window begins at some point here. But I think that
Speaker 10: third song is it captures the essence.
Speaker 1: I love when I hear that more were they were
Speaker 1: all great?
Speaker 2: Well, let's listen to one more. This is from Sam Gaffigan. Okay,
Speaker 2: probably not man who's coming pah trick Clay, Bob.
Speaker 1: Who's that man who's rarely wrong?
Speaker 9: Pa trick Clay?
Speaker 7: He announces with class and fossity.
Speaker 1: That heat announces mass time's velocity.
Speaker 9: Who's that man.
Speaker 1: Who's coming on?
Speaker 4: Pah trick lay bomb?
Speaker 1: For Dan, that was a formula for momentum. That's definitely
Speaker 1: my favorite lyric. That was good.
Speaker 3: I feel like sometimes we mix it up with colleens too,
Speaker 3: like we have the main one, but then we throw
Speaker 3: in some others.
Speaker 1: I would like to hear that again. But I still
Speaker 1: think number three.
Speaker 11: Yeah, Like I think I would go to you should
Speaker 11: crack thank They're all really good but mixed CD and
Speaker 11: give that to your significant other if she's ever wondering
Speaker 11: how great you know you are, Like it's sort of
Speaker 11: a hype tape hype CD for you.
Speaker 1: I can see the look on her face.
Speaker 4: You do have to play these, Lauren.
Speaker 2: You have to play them, just as Mark says, just
Speaker 2: a reminder, Yeah, you realize, like, I know, we're busy,
Speaker 2: we got kids, like we've known each other for so
Speaker 2: long now, and sometimes just a reminder and reminder. And
Speaker 2: your wife's a wonderful woman, but like she's married to
Speaker 2: Patrick Claybo. And here are some songs as a reminder.
Speaker 2: Let's make a like you did it, you got clay Bo.
Speaker 1: I'll fix you forgets.
Speaker 2: I think we all do in our marriages sometimes what
Speaker 2: we have you know, and these songs will be serve
Speaker 2: as a reminder. And you didn't have to like this
Speaker 2: is how you frame it? Okay, you're like, god, this
Speaker 2: was so stupid. I did a podcast that it's ridiculous,
Speaker 2: but like they played these like songs about me and
Speaker 2: it was dumb.
Speaker 4: It was dumb.
Speaker 2: And then see if she takes the cheek, Okay, she
Speaker 2: probably will like what do you mean songs about you?
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Also make sure that and then
Speaker 1: you just like lay it out and then watch her
Speaker 1: fall in love with.
Speaker 4: You all over.
Speaker 10: Yeah, come in hard, hard, self deprecating. Oh yes, you
Speaker 10: know you find it absurd. Yeah, you almost want to
Speaker 10: share a joke with her, but then she starts to
Speaker 10: feel something different.
Speaker 5: Just mega imposter syndrome, because which I do have, like
Speaker 5: the fact that people sat on their computers and got
Speaker 5: their instruments out and made songs for me, But.
Speaker 3: Like I would, I would turn off all the lights
Speaker 3: in the house right before dinner and then maybe get
Speaker 3: a strobe thing going and then blast it and then
Speaker 3: the lights come on and you walk into the dinner tables.
Speaker 1: He's sorry they're playing. That's that's a huge.
Speaker 2: It's like the arena rock way to do it if
Speaker 2: anyone and those are all excellent, and thank you again everybody.
Speaker 2: If anyone wants to make one, that's just for Patrick
Speaker 2: to use at home. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 2: like that that when you not don't throw up the
Speaker 2: arena lights. Yes, light a couple of candles, get a
Speaker 2: babysitter and then play something.
Speaker 1: Patrick would take that as well. A babysitter at home
Speaker 1: while they're at home.
Speaker 2: Get him out of the house. Yeah, okay, to the
Speaker 2: bounce house or one of those ridiculous places. So here, Sun,
Speaker 2: let's bounce here until my acl explodes. It's like, okay,
Speaker 2: great party, my Achilles is gone.
Speaker 1: Some of those places are falling into disrepair. Ground.
Speaker 5: You start bouncing a couple of ways and it's like, then,
Speaker 5: like this could.
Speaker 1: Go horribly wrong.
Speaker 2: Not to mention, have you ever gone to one of
Speaker 2: those bounce houses and not have the entire house ill
Speaker 2: within forty eight hours of going.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Plus it's a ripe fertile ground for like concussions. We're
Speaker 10: like two children out of control bang heads. And then
Speaker 10: it's like, you know, you're dealing with that a travel
Speaker 10: concussions no fun.
Speaker 2: That's I feel like we might be risking losing sponsors.
Speaker 2: But this is an important message to get out. Enough
Speaker 2: of the bounce houses. Wow, what spots you get back
Speaker 2: to the bowling out? All right, let's get into it
Speaker 2: without further ado, Patrick that you got.
Speaker 1: To be feeling good now, Yeah, I'm rifle of confidence.
Speaker 2: All right? With that said, time to go out in
Speaker 2: the NFL. Was that the Dean screen? Damn listen, we
Speaker 2: had Ross pro come up. We fast forward twelve years,
Speaker 2: get a little Dean screen. What's next?
Speaker 1: You know we're top Aaron Rodgers doing contrial myths. I
Speaker 1: don't know. All right, let's get into it. It's start
Speaker 1: with in the NFC in the east, will go east
Speaker 1: to west, just like we did with.
Speaker 2: Andrew Ceciliano over the and again Andrew is in critical
Speaker 2: but stable condition.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 2: You could send flowers or whatever you wish. They don't
Speaker 2: send darts, no doing, no more darts. The doctors were
Speaker 2: amazed that something like that could happen in a controlled
Speaker 2: environment within the NFL's building. And I believe there will
Speaker 2: be hell to pay, like the Otani situation. And we're like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, you know, we'll blame it on the interpreter.
Speaker 2: We need to figure out a plan post haste on
Speaker 2: where does.
Speaker 4: It is it?
Speaker 1: Eric?
Speaker 2: Does Eric take the Eric is pressing pressing the trigger right,
Speaker 2: But you could argue that we put him in that,
Speaker 2: we put the gun in his hand. He did say
Speaker 2: he follows orders. Who clipped that off before he deletes it?
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to it. NFC East Patrick Claiban
Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5: The Dallas Cowboys having turnover yet again. Now Tyron Smith
Speaker 5: is going to be protecting Aaron Rodgers. We see Tony
Speaker 5: Pollard going elsewhere playing with Tajy Spears in Nashville. And
Speaker 5: my question about the Dallas Cowboys last year was Mike
Speaker 5: McCarthy taking over the play calling duties and is it
Speaker 5: a Mike McCarthy or a Kellen Moore issue or what
Speaker 5: was going on with the Dallas Cowboys offense? No more
Speaker 5: concerns about the offense, and I'm looking at the defense.
Speaker 5: With Dan Quinn out for the second year in a row,
Speaker 5: Dallas has bargain shopped in free agency. They made those
Speaker 5: late trades for Brandon Cooks as well as step On
Speaker 5: Gilmour last year. Can the Dallas Cowboys bargain hunt their
Speaker 5: way to a Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: If they're allegedly quote unquote all in, they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to in.
Speaker 3: For all these teams, it's an incomplete grade, but some
Speaker 3: teams more than others. I counted up nine players that
Speaker 3: have had significant roles on the team that either have
Speaker 3: signed else where, most of them are a couple others
Speaker 3: are just unsigned. And to this point, they haven't brought
Speaker 3: in anyone new that's gonna have a significant role except
Speaker 3: Eric Kendricks, who's kind of at the end of his
Speaker 3: runs as a as a difference making player a role
Speaker 3: player at this point. So they need like three offensive linemen.
Speaker 3: They certainly need a running back, They need some defensive tackles.
Speaker 3: Cornerback looks a little thin. I don't know if they'd
Speaker 3: bring back Stefan Gilmore. So they have a lot to do.
Speaker 3: But you know what, I actually think their personnel department
Speaker 3: deserves a little bit of credit here to give them
Speaker 3: some faith that over the last few years, like they
Speaker 3: always have a good roster. So like the Ravens, I
Speaker 3: kind of him in a weight and see mode with
Speaker 3: the Cowboys.
Speaker 10: I mean, I think losing Dan Quinn matters a lot.
Speaker 10: He clicked running that defense as well short till then.
Speaker 10: But now, Mike's if you're Mike Zimmer, you've seen a
Speaker 10: number of leave your defense and it's gonna be a
Speaker 10: bit of a different scheme. I mean, Michael Gallup is
Speaker 10: visiting with the Ravens. It's like, I guess for me,
Speaker 10: it's it's kind of a tired conversation. The Cowboys just
Speaker 10: bring me exhaustion at this point. But like you did
Speaker 10: have your owner slash GM kind of announce we're going
Speaker 10: to do everything we can to maximize our roster. And
Speaker 10: it's been the quietest of every team out there. It's
Speaker 10: been the quietest, weirdest free agency pier not like a
Speaker 10: single real notable addition so far.
Speaker 2: I think in some ways, and there are different levels
Speaker 2: to this, you know phrase, but the window closed, DAK
Speaker 2: is crazy expensive, CD is about to be insanely expensive.
Speaker 2: Parsons forget about it, gonna be the highest paid player
Speaker 2: in the league. They might end up being a situation
Speaker 2: where they highest pays two played, highest two paid players
Speaker 2: in the league on each side of the ball. And
Speaker 2: that is very hard now to build a championship roster
Speaker 2: around it. So since they couldn't get it going and
Speaker 2: get it done when these guys were younger, now it's
Speaker 2: going to be so tough.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you're right, they have to absolutely nail the draft.
Speaker 3: They have won twelve games three straight years, so I
Speaker 3: don't think the window is closing.
Speaker 1: I get it, but that's like that doesn't at this point,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: The problem is they've always had a really good offensive
Speaker 3: line for the most part, and right now that looks
Speaker 3: like a weakness, which is weird.
Speaker 1: Up next, the New York Giants. The g Men, the
Speaker 1: g Men.
Speaker 4: Time out, time out?
Speaker 1: Oh boy, wow early time out.
Speaker 4: The g Man, the g Men, the g g Men.
Speaker 8: LOGI yeah, the g Men, the g Men, the G Man,
Speaker 8: the g Men, the G Man.
Speaker 2: All right, timon, Umm, I'm gonna spin positive. I'm sick
Speaker 2: of it. Rosenthal is throwing dirt all over the Giants,
Speaker 2: his own personal issues coming through.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna combat that.
Speaker 2: While everyone's burying the Giants and doing their annual springtime
Speaker 2: slurpage of Howie Roseman and the Eagles. I thought the
Speaker 2: Giants made easily the most impactful move in the division
Speaker 2: with this Brian Burns trade and then subsequent signing their
Speaker 2: defensive line has Burns a rising a star who has
Speaker 2: a next level potential. Even you have Dexter Lawrence, I
Speaker 2: mean another superstar. And Keveon Thibodeau, who's you know, personal
Speaker 2: interactions aside, had a big second year and looks like
Speaker 2: a guy that is hitting as a first round draft pick.
Speaker 2: Now they're all together and if they stay healthy. I
Speaker 2: know there's issues other places, and I know everybody wants
Speaker 2: to focus on the Saquon Left thing, but that is
Speaker 2: a game wrecking defensive line and it could lift the
Speaker 2: entire defense and win games.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I think that is a team strength that matters a
Speaker 10: lot inside of this division. Brian Burns was a coupeta
Speaker 10: I look at. I also think Jermaine Illuminor along the
Speaker 10: offensive line is a versatile guy who adds. They need
Speaker 10: to add bodies there. So my one thing with them
Speaker 10: is you're into year three of this regime, and we
Speaker 10: know that Daniel Jones is not part of this team
Speaker 10: after this season. And in fact, it's like, I don't
Speaker 10: he feels to me like on strange soil already. I
Speaker 10: don't care about the Drew lock signing. You are sitting
Speaker 10: there high up in the draft. Do you pass on
Speaker 10: someone like JJ McCarthy who would a.
Speaker 1: Pieces around them.
Speaker 10: I don't mind that they moved on from Saqua, but
Speaker 10: it's like I would look at quarterback.
Speaker 1: I just would to match up with this solid defensive front.
Speaker 5: I just think, considering the decisions that they have made
Speaker 5: at the quarterback position and how that set them up
Speaker 5: that if they're not sold on a quarterback and you
Speaker 5: get to have your mark on the pick and the
Speaker 5: way that the franchise goes, and next year they have
Speaker 5: an opportunity to either make that defensive line that Dan
Speaker 5: was talking about even more of a strength. They could
Speaker 5: come in and add a wide receiver in these top
Speaker 5: because considering where they're picking, the quarterbacks are going to
Speaker 5: go early, a very very good football player is going
Speaker 5: to be available.
Speaker 1: They can make the rest of the team better.
Speaker 5: And I think if you add like a Romo Dunze
Speaker 5: to this group with Darius Slayton and Jadie Hyatt. You
Speaker 5: get a good group for some quarterback, whether it's Daniel
Speaker 5: Jones or somebody they get later this year. But I
Speaker 5: just think if you're reaching for a quarterback, if you're
Speaker 5: trying to solve this problem, then you're you're exacerbating.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised that there's been so much quarterback talk because like,
Speaker 3: taking the fourth quarterback when you have the six pick
Speaker 3: seems like a disaster. In a draft that has three
Speaker 3: number one wide receivers, Malikue Neighbors might still be there
Speaker 3: at number three, and they need to find their guys.
Speaker 3: I look at this, and I look at some other
Speaker 3: gms like Ryan Poles in Chicago that are entering year three,
Speaker 3: and I can see his guys. Who are Joe Shane's guys. There,
Speaker 3: guys are Gettleman's guys. They're best players. I saw, I
Speaker 3: heard that eat it and Jones. People can say all
Speaker 3: this thing about the quarterback.
Speaker 2: He's gonna get the second year on this contract and
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens after that.
Speaker 4: Okay, up next, Greggye the Eagles.
Speaker 3: Fun offseason so far for the Eagles, They've signed you know,
Speaker 3: three or four of the top thirty or forty free
Speaker 3: agents available. With Bryce Huff, I like Chauncey Gardner, Johnson
Speaker 3: coming back, Saquon is gonna be a great fit. They
Speaker 3: just keep adding little pieces, and yet I still look
Speaker 3: at it and it's like, does Vic Fangio have what
Speaker 3: he needs? Does Vic fan Gio still have the magic touch?
Speaker 4: Too? Sure?
Speaker 1: A couple of like mixed years. Uh, do they still.
Speaker 4: Have everyone hated him?
Speaker 1: Lest right?
Speaker 3: I mixed this maybe being kind like, do they still
Speaker 3: have the best roster in the NFL? Because I look
Speaker 3: at the two lines and there's maybe some questions, but
Speaker 3: they've planned ahead with Tyler Steen, Cam Jurgens on the
Speaker 3: offensive line.
Speaker 1: Hassan Redick is still there.
Speaker 3: They're probably gonna trade him, but I look at a
Speaker 3: lot of depth on both of the lines. I look
Speaker 3: at a fantasy football spectacular on offense. The secondary has
Speaker 3: some question marks, but maybe that's what the draft is for.
Speaker 3: Is this still the best roster in the league? Because
Speaker 3: I believe I don't know if it's the best roster.
Speaker 10: I cannot think of too many examples of a quality
Speaker 10: team like this with a lot of high profile parts
Speaker 10: where you're going on to the third straight year on
Speaker 10: both sides.
Speaker 1: Of the ball with a different coordinator.
Speaker 10: I mean that affects things, especially on offense, it does
Speaker 10: on defense.
Speaker 1: I want to see what happens with Reddick.
Speaker 10: I think Reddick, I think when you're Howie Roseman, I
Speaker 10: just expect him to create three or four notable moves
Speaker 10: before we get into the summer.
Speaker 1: It's like they're not done.
Speaker 5: And one of those moves seemed like an admission right
Speaker 5: with that, the way that they handled Gj's departure, like
Speaker 5: they were lost in the secondary. And maybe you can
Speaker 5: make the case that that reason for that coordinator change
Speaker 5: was because they were bad. We saw the Eagles lose
Speaker 5: a coordinator because they were good. And you know, how
Speaker 5: much confidence do you have when you saw things fall
Speaker 5: off at the end of the season. I think I
Speaker 5: still have it because Jalen was hurt. AJ was hurt.
Speaker 5: Not only were the decisions and the play calling kind
Speaker 5: of questionable down the stretch, but the players were hurt.
Speaker 5: I just don't know that Kellen Moore really excites me,
Speaker 5: and I wonder how many very talented quarterbacks are going
Speaker 5: to be saddled with Kellen Moore and have disappointing results.
Speaker 3: And it supposedly his offense. It's no longer Nick Siriani's offense.
Speaker 2: And that's that's deserve it after what happened down the stretch,
Speaker 2: and you know, you don't have Kelsey in that building,
Speaker 2: you don't have Cox in the building. And we were
Speaker 2: talking about that, you and we were talking about the
Speaker 2: Improvement Index, Greggie. They were twenty seventh in that in
Speaker 2: terms of you know, the roster losses and their drafts standing.
Speaker 2: So there is a way to look at this roster
Speaker 2: and say it depreciated in some ways as well.
Speaker 3: I think it's it is important to remember losing Jason
Speaker 3: Kelcey is a massive loss.
Speaker 1: Now I look at the rest of their losses.
Speaker 3: Fletcher Cox certainly was valuable to them, but I think
Speaker 3: they've replaced him and prepared everyone else leaving the team.
Speaker 1: I can live with that. Well, they lost.
Speaker 10: I know this is like hard to assess, but they
Speaker 10: lost like locker room leadership on a team that was
Speaker 10: in total chaos by the end of last season.
Speaker 4: Kids smart.
Speaker 2: Excited to stop talking there. That wasn't about the team,
Speaker 2: wasn't about the team. Who was the dark fired?
Speaker 1: I was just it missed Dan. I think the game
Speaker 1: Dan's jus fielder.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's are we allowed to talk?
Speaker 1: I thought we weren't allowed to talk about thought that
Speaker 1: was a conceit. It's also a complete law. It's a
Speaker 1: completely lawless.
Speaker 2: All right, let me let me uh now, you're making
Speaker 2: new rules all the challenge flags.
Speaker 3: We can talk, but it can't be about the teams. Well,
Speaker 3: what's the point challenge flag?
Speaker 1: The circus.
Speaker 2: It's almost like, you know what makes the podcast better?
Speaker 2: We can talk, it just can't be about that topic,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like and in that case,
Speaker 2: I was giving Mark kudos.
Speaker 1: They like nine years in, let's just make some new rules. Well,
Speaker 1: I appreciate the compliment.
Speaker 10: I think if you're Eric, it's like the rules of
Speaker 10: this game seems to change every five or six minutes.
Speaker 4: I think more darts makes the podcast.
Speaker 2: If if now, if I would have said a point,
Speaker 2: if I would have followed up on the point Mark
Speaker 2: made darting to hell out of bounds, put me in
Speaker 2: hades with a dart?
Speaker 4: Gotcha?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: With that said, more darts? Mark the Washington Commanders, they
Speaker 2: gonna keep that name. I would love to see them
Speaker 2: change that name. None of us have ever ever bought
Speaker 2: into that.
Speaker 10: I don't hate what they did in free agency at
Speaker 10: all because I started their early look at I've done
Speaker 10: that two days in a row.
Speaker 4: Too bad.
Speaker 10: I think Dorance Armstrong following Dan Quinn, Frankie Louvo, We've
Speaker 10: all talked about him, Bobby Wagner, Jeremy Chan It's like
Speaker 10: there's some veteran like identity on this team, and I
Speaker 10: think that was needed. And I like, I know, of course,
Speaker 10: like you know, you move on from your quarterback. They
Speaker 10: absolutely are taking one at number two. Daniel Jeremiah has
Speaker 10: them taking Drake May. I mean I see the Drake
Speaker 10: May like assessments are all over the map, Like I
Speaker 10: like Chris Sims hasn't in a tier below bow Nix
Speaker 10: and Michael Pennix Junior. It's like, I don't know who's
Speaker 10: going to number two. I don't know what the commanders think,
Speaker 10: but I have one questions. I think this like addition
Speaker 10: to the team kind of flew under the radar a
Speaker 10: little bit, Like you've got a new quarterback and a
Speaker 10: lot of new pieces on offense. Like do we trust
Speaker 10: like as Cliff Kingsbury someone we trust at this point
Speaker 10: to helm a rookies like opening salve into the NFL.
Speaker 10: It's like I that to me is is is a
Speaker 10: big question mark.
Speaker 5: And I don't know why we would have reason to
Speaker 5: say that we do have. I just haven't necessarily seen it.
Speaker 3: Especially a man that found a way to out of
Speaker 3: losing record with Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 5: And then he comes over to USC and Caleb gets worse. Right,
Speaker 5: there was a serious regression in the quarterback that's going
Speaker 5: to go number one overall. And so now the Cliff
Speaker 5: move signaled to people that always is Washington going to
Speaker 5: try to get the number one overall picked, and there
Speaker 5: hasn't been any sort of move towards that yet. And
Speaker 5: I'm just wondering what position we're putting a rookie quarterback,
Speaker 5: and if it's a rookie, if they go another direction.
Speaker 5: I'm just very confused about the team. And this is
Speaker 5: a franchise we thought we were gonna get more clarity
Speaker 5: from and it feels like we've actually gotten lot.
Speaker 10: And if ever it was not a quarterback they have
Speaker 10: Marcus Mariota, I don't think they're letting the media know
Speaker 10: at all what they're interested in, and so they're sort
Speaker 10: of a vacuum in people just speculating, which actually is
Speaker 10: a good sign.
Speaker 3: That's different than what was happening in Washington in the past. No,
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's gonna know whether it's Jane Daniels
Speaker 3: or Drake me until drafting just fun and I think
Speaker 3: is a sign of a they're getting better.
Speaker 1: I like the approach. They've brought in so many players.
Speaker 3: Fourteen new players have come in from other organizations, eight
Speaker 3: have gone. I think that's the way to do it
Speaker 3: with a team like this, Just hope you hit on
Speaker 3: seven or eight role players. And some of the moves
Speaker 3: like like Luvu, like Armstrong. I think I've been among
Speaker 3: the best in free agency. Yeah, a lot of their.
Speaker 2: Moves haven't blown me away, but it's like, Okay, he
Speaker 2: seems useful.
Speaker 4: He seems useful.
Speaker 2: That could work. The Mariota thing blows my mind that
Speaker 2: he keeps getting a job. But otherwise I thought like
Speaker 2: they've been effective and using free agency to overhaul the
Speaker 2: roster and you have a new head coach, and it
Speaker 2: did any team need more of a kind of like
Speaker 2: a reset this year than Washington now will work. We'll
Speaker 2: see are they a lot better? We'll see but at
Speaker 2: least they're trying. And then if you hit on the quarterback,
Speaker 2: who knows?
Speaker 4: Who knows? So I give him a solid B for
Speaker 4: their offseason.
Speaker 1: So far, I'd agree. I hope they take Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 1: That's where I only know.
Speaker 2: All right, we're just getting go and see under the
Speaker 2: old rules, i'd take a dart right now.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 10: There are no rules like at this we've established that.
Speaker 10: Am I allowed to talk or just you? I don't
Speaker 10: even know.
Speaker 5: I feel like some people think the dart is a
Speaker 5: part of that music sound effect because it's so common.
Speaker 1: It's true, how's your AMMO doing?
Speaker 4: You? You fire off so many darts that I start
Speaker 4: to wonder, like where who's your unlimited never ends? One
Speaker 4: of the scariest.
Speaker 2: Things was Eric saying I'm good at taking orders like
Speaker 2: we he could be a killing machine. H as like
Speaker 2: an assassin. What was the Bill Hayter Show, Barry Roberts
Speaker 2: Sleep or Cell spin Off? All right, let's take a
Speaker 2: break and we'll get to the NFC North.
Speaker 4: All right, we are back. Let's get to the NFC North.
Speaker 2: Let's get right into it with the Chicago Bears. I'll
Speaker 2: start this one off Uh, they have improved their roster.
Speaker 2: There is no doubt about that. Love the Keenan Allen move,
Speaker 2: DeAndre Swift, cool, Kevin Bayyard, Okay, Gerald Everett nice addition
Speaker 2: to the tight end room and now everything all attention
Speaker 2: obviously turns to the number one overall pick. Everyone knows
Speaker 2: where this guy where they're going to go with this,
Speaker 2: and the barring some type of absurdity, Caleb Williams becomes
Speaker 2: that guy. So I speaking of off seasons where I
Speaker 2: give a solid B so far, I like what the
Speaker 2: Bears have done.
Speaker 4: I'd even bump them claybonto a B.
Speaker 2: Plus because the first job you have to do when
Speaker 2: you bring in a pick of this ilk, a number
Speaker 2: one overall pick, is don't surround him with trash. They
Speaker 2: they're trying to set up infrastructure to let the kid
Speaker 2: hit the ground running a las CJ.
Speaker 4: Stroud. Let's see if it works.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And they have a very good example from Chicago
Speaker 5: of what not to do with a quarterback that goes
Speaker 5: in the first round and how to surround him and
Speaker 5: how to provide him with the opportunity to be successful.
Speaker 5: So you think they take the lessons that they learned
Speaker 5: from the justin fields experience, and I'm looking at Keenan
Speaker 5: Allen as still a one like Keenan And of course
Speaker 5: there's there's injuries. Everybody in the league is going to
Speaker 5: deal with injuries at some point. But the way that
Speaker 5: his game is structured, he can contribute three four, I
Speaker 5: still think maybe six years down the road. And then
Speaker 5: you change DJ Moore and the way that defenses can
Speaker 5: focus on him. It's all set up there. What's the
Speaker 5: schedule like for Caleb and how are they going to
Speaker 5: facilitate him to be successful.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to see it. I love.
Speaker 10: I love also that they got Keenan Allen for a
Speaker 10: four and because their cap situation was what it was,
Speaker 10: they could absorb that salary versus him going being cut
Speaker 10: at some point, and they you know, they were able
Speaker 10: to make that trade Keenan Allen, DJ Moore. It's part
Speaker 10: a part of two parts because the second part is
Speaker 10: the draft. Obviously we know it's Caleb Williams number one
Speaker 10: barring a stunner, but then they've got the number nine,
Speaker 10: pick two, and it's like, do you just go like
Speaker 10: maybe Robot, like, do you get the best wide receiver
Speaker 10: a possible and suddenly you've got a stacked offense.
Speaker 1: So I think Gerald Everett matters too.
Speaker 3: Right, they could be at a spot where those top
Speaker 3: three receivers are off the board, and then the value
Speaker 3: doesn't seem like it's there, so they take a tackle
Speaker 3: there that's where this draft is, or they really back,
Speaker 3: or they take the top defensive player on the board.
Speaker 3: I think Ryan Pols has done the thing, which in
Speaker 3: the thing is by year three of being there, I
Speaker 3: want to have some stamp on my team. I want
Speaker 3: to have evidence that my you know, time here has
Speaker 3: been worthy, and I think he has. He's built up
Speaker 3: a defense that has an identity. Ibra Flus made it
Speaker 3: happen a year ago. But they're still very thin on
Speaker 3: the like they could use another tackle. Certainly, they could
Speaker 3: use another receiver. Keen Allen's on a one year deal
Speaker 3: and they have no third receiver, no fourth receiver, no nothing,
Speaker 3: so that they could look for another one.
Speaker 2: I mean, feels like a great time to have two
Speaker 2: top ten picks, so they it just there's reason for hope.
Speaker 2: And yes, the the fields thing turned into kind of
Speaker 2: the fiasco with the way the trade ended up playing out,
Speaker 2: but it's all in the past now and you move
Speaker 2: forward as an organization and maybe brighter days are ahare
Speaker 2: for once.
Speaker 3: The Bears are worth some hype, deserve it.
Speaker 1: So I'm watching. We're on a freaking monitor. Stopped talking
Speaker 1: before hit zero, and.
Speaker 2: As someone who's the tee up of the segment, I
Speaker 2: had put a bow on it. Then you came in.
Speaker 3: Well that's because I said, I saw the four three
Speaker 3: two one. I thought I'd get one last shot. I'm
Speaker 3: not worried about my field goal percentage, like those guys
Speaker 3: in the NBA who holded that extra half second where they.
Speaker 6: Keep shooting him, give it to me. I think it
Speaker 6: was still in the hands. Mark on the fingertips.
Speaker 2: Stronger dart for Greg Sharpshooters prerogative. Detroit Lions, Mark Sessler.
Speaker 10: I like some of the very lionsy type things that
Speaker 10: they did, like DJ Reader, really good football player to
Speaker 10: add to the defensive line, Kevin Zeitler can still play
Speaker 10: and like he is sort of a nasty, beefy human
Speaker 10: to add to their offensive line. The thing with the Lions,
Speaker 10: like last couple of years, it's like their defense kind
Speaker 10: of let them down. And I know they were better
Speaker 10: last year than the year before I do wonder if
Speaker 10: they could pull I know they went and got Carlton Davis.
Speaker 1: They re signed Emmanuel Moseley.
Speaker 10: Amik Robertson's there as well, but they have twenty six
Speaker 10: million in cap space and there is this behind door
Speaker 10: number two option. They were listed as one of six
Speaker 10: teams that had a potential interest in Lugerious Snead. He
Speaker 10: can play all over the place as a cornerback. Is
Speaker 10: it's so crazy for a team that's on the precipice
Speaker 10: of Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: You know their window is right open.
Speaker 10: Go get a difference making cornerback who could also I
Speaker 10: think if you use them correctly, he is a total
Speaker 10: quarterback nuisance. As a blitzer, it would add a whole
Speaker 10: element to a Lions secondary that looked completely different, like
Speaker 10: do you.
Speaker 4: Just go for it?
Speaker 3: They are also aware and made a statement about Cameron Sutton,
Speaker 3: their cornerback who they brought in for a lot of
Speaker 3: money last year, who's being investigated police in Florida. I've
Speaker 3: been searching for him about two weeks after in the
Speaker 3: West Warrens for a domestic violence case. So that and
Speaker 3: they release the statement. They're aware of it, and that's
Speaker 3: another thing at that position that I think is a concern.
Speaker 3: I was thinking too, they could be a spot for
Speaker 3: Justin Simmons, who's a free agent at safety. They could
Speaker 3: certainly need another safety. Uh, they've these signings. Marcus Davenport
Speaker 3: was another one, like Zeitler was a one year deal.
Speaker 3: These are all very much like, let's add a little
Speaker 3: sprinkled to get over the top on.
Speaker 1: Some high risk, hy reward one year deals.
Speaker 5: I think the departure of Jonah Jackson was something that
Speaker 5: really meant something. But think Kevin Zeitler comes over and
Speaker 5: you feel solid about that. I just in terms of
Speaker 5: the Jared Goff discussion, feels so much better about Jared
Speaker 5: Golf then sure maybe maybe?
Speaker 1: And Ben Johnson I think he might get a contract
Speaker 1: this offseason. Yeah, why not.
Speaker 5: It's there's the negatives there are vastly outweighed by thinking
Speaker 5: about Jamior Gibbs coming back his second season, knowing how
Speaker 5: to operate in the offense, and more Jamo as well
Speaker 5: on the outside.
Speaker 2: I'm more James, more James Jamo. Yeah, the defense has
Speaker 2: been the focus. Reader Davenport robertson Carlton Davis third. Okay,
Speaker 2: Davis was a big time move Now let's see if
Speaker 2: that takes the defense from back end of the thirty two,
Speaker 2: if they finished twenty fourth in the league in yards
Speaker 2: per play allowed last year to the middle or even
Speaker 2: a little bit higher, and that could be the difference
Speaker 2: for this team to getting over the hump in the
Speaker 2: NFC exciting times. Indeed, I always am a little worried
Speaker 2: though about the I mean, they've whoever whoever enters the
Speaker 2: year where it's like, oh, we just need a little more.
Speaker 2: And I think Dan Campbell said it in the blocker room,
Speaker 2: like there's no guarantee we ever get back there. And
Speaker 2: the NFC, I think is going to look better this year.
Speaker 2: As much as I like Jared Goff, he's still not
Speaker 2: one of the best quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 10: Like that division is back, there will be tough Thorny.
Speaker 1: Indeed, technically I was seconding.
Speaker 2: His I thought you were that. See that just shows
Speaker 2: again mcnanimous. I didn't say nice job, Mark, I was
Speaker 2: actually agreeing with the which is over the deadline of
Speaker 2: the class.
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say anything because I didn't know. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to go dart for you today.
Speaker 2: You do, like our last guest, We'll see we'll see
Speaker 2: up next.
Speaker 1: The Packers with Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 3: I struggled in this exercise thinking like, what is the
Speaker 3: big need for the Packers? Have they have they refreshed
Speaker 3: their roster that fast, that like they can do anything
Speaker 3: on draft day.
Speaker 1: Certainly they could use a safety, but they did.
Speaker 3: Just add Daru McKinney to big time money was one
Speaker 3: of my favorite moves in free agency. Left tackle I
Speaker 3: think could be one, and they've had such a good
Speaker 3: history of finding values. But you look at this roster
Speaker 3: and all it's just goody picks sprinkled up and down
Speaker 3: the draft, I mean up and down the roster. I
Speaker 3: guess cornerback would be the spot you have. You brought
Speaker 3: Keyshaw Nixon back the returner, but Jaya Alexander still around.
Speaker 3: People didn't necessarily expect that. Eric Stokes like they could
Speaker 3: get better there. And yet I look at this roster
Speaker 3: and like a lot of homegrown talent. It's a there's
Speaker 3: a lot to like, and Josh Jacobs and aj Dillon
Speaker 3: to me, is a fun combination at running back.
Speaker 1: I don't like.
Speaker 10: Josh Jacobs versus where they were a year ago running back,
Speaker 10: but that's my own personal bias. I think Xavier McKinney
Speaker 10: was one of the best signings. And it's a little
Speaker 10: bit anti Packers to go out and spend that money
Speaker 10: the way they did, but they have sprinkled. They're able
Speaker 10: to do that because they've sprinkled in so many good
Speaker 10: draft picks. And it really so much of it is
Speaker 10: like everything that happened last year poster and Rodgers is
Speaker 10: everything he was asking for before. And I think one
Speaker 10: of the bigger issues was defensive coordinator situation was becoming
Speaker 10: a lightning rod all over the place. Jeff Hafley is,
Speaker 10: you know, comes in with a better situation the secondary.
Speaker 10: I'm very inched to see how he performs because he's
Speaker 10: basically one of the rare guys that like left a
Speaker 10: head coaching job in college flat out because he was
Speaker 10: tired of college football operates.
Speaker 3: Josh Jacobs is the only player that's going to start
Speaker 3: on offense that isn't a Packers draft pick from the
Speaker 3: last five years.
Speaker 1: Yes, and crazy, and that luxury allows them to kind
Speaker 1: of do whatever.
Speaker 5: And I think that tackle spot is the place to
Speaker 5: fill and if say a JC Latham is off the
Speaker 5: board at twenty five, I think the Packers are a
Speaker 5: solid trade down candidate to try to get because if
Speaker 5: you're a believer in this whole, well, you can get
Speaker 5: a receiver anywhere. The Packers hit on almost every single
Speaker 5: one of them in the past couple of years, so that,
Speaker 5: like Goody can can do whatever, and Jordan Love gives
Speaker 5: you the opportunity to just kind of take a shot.
Speaker 4: Love is huge, obviously.
Speaker 2: I saw a meme floating around one of my favorite
Speaker 2: movies ever, Goodwill Hunting, when Will goes after this a
Speaker 2: star's guard character, and he goes talking about math for him,
Speaker 2: but it's for the Packers and picking quarterbacks. Do you
Speaker 2: know how easy this is for me? Do you have
Speaker 2: any idea how easy this is? This is a joke,
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry you can't do this, I really am,
Speaker 2: because I wouldn't have to sit here and watch you
Speaker 2: fumble around and get up. That's basically the Packers to
Speaker 2: twenty four other teams in the league that cannot find quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: They've found three in a row. My one point is
Speaker 2: you don't have Joe Barry to kick around anymore. They
Speaker 2: got him out of the building.
Speaker 1: Mark, Yeah, you like Goodwill Hunting?
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 10: I also love when he's you know, goes after the
Speaker 10: man with ponytail early on iconic line about them apples. Yeah,
Speaker 10: that guy is an annoying academic.
Speaker 1: He gets an.
Speaker 4: Great actor, great casting.
Speaker 10: Yes, he looks like a central casting intellectual oath.
Speaker 4: I feel like you're a baited into that one.
Speaker 1: Not at all, stop it.
Speaker 2: I was not watching the clock to Thanky Davis all right,
Speaker 2: next Patrick the Vikings. So the Minnesota Vikings go out
Speaker 2: and make a trade.
Speaker 5: They trade a future second round pick as well as
Speaker 5: a late round pick, and they're forty number forty two
Speaker 5: to move up. It makes me feel like they will
Speaker 5: take a shot to try, at least try Questy sending
Speaker 5: out some feelers and offers to get a quarterback move
Speaker 5: up in the draft in twenty twenty four. My question
Speaker 5: about the Vikings the huge departure of Kirk Cousins. How
Speaker 5: long does Sam Darnold fendoff whoever the Vikings draft at
Speaker 5: quarterback in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Guess it doesn't it depend on how big this swing
Speaker 2: is for the Vikings, or does it not matter if
Speaker 2: they take any quarterback in the first round.
Speaker 4: Sam's kind of.
Speaker 3: Basically, they somehow get you to three and take Jade
Speaker 3: Daniels or Drake may I feel like it's less of
Speaker 3: a leash. I actually think they still would tend to
Speaker 3: lean towards starting Darnold to start the season, but it'd
Speaker 3: be less of elease if it's if it's a guy
Speaker 3: in the second round. Like, I'm not totally convinced that
Speaker 3: they're going to take a quarterback in the first round,
Speaker 3: just because we all think.
Speaker 2: I think that's the natural inclination once they got that
Speaker 2: second pick, is that they were arming themselves to march
Speaker 2: up the board. But maybe they have a whole different
Speaker 2: plan that they're about to unfurl.
Speaker 3: Or maybe they like Michael Pennix and are going to
Speaker 3: take him at twenty three or something like that and
Speaker 3: see what happens at eleven.
Speaker 1: They they've sneakily had.
Speaker 3: The most transition of almost any team in the NFL
Speaker 3: over the last two years. I counted eleven players that
Speaker 3: are out the door that had significant roles that have
Speaker 3: signed with other teams already this year, and they've had
Speaker 3: fourteen players come in and I and I like it.
Speaker 3: I've liked Questy's process. I like the players that they've
Speaker 3: brought in. For the most part, Aaron Jones, certainly Jonathan
Speaker 3: Gridard Cashman, Vin Ginkle, Like it's a fun group of
Speaker 3: players they brought in, but it is really a different
Speaker 3: roster than it was two years ago.
Speaker 10: Yeah, they questy like openly, you know, talked about churning
Speaker 10: the like the roster of the process, and they found
Speaker 10: a way without going to the darkness stray and all that.
Speaker 10: I do find it interesting because Daniel Jeremiah typically does
Speaker 10: not include trades and before his final mock draft, and
Speaker 10: he went out of us with this way to do
Speaker 10: because of what these They added that second pick, the
Speaker 10: hasle moving up to number four, trading with the Cardinals
Speaker 10: to get JJ McCarthy. And I think it comes down
Speaker 10: to if you're Kevin O'Connell, do you have a guy
Speaker 10: that you fall in love with?
Speaker 1: And that kind of greases the skids for a trade up.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of McCarthy Viking spoke and I get
Speaker 3: all that and the focus on the offense, and they've
Speaker 3: done a great job building up the offense. The line's good.
Speaker 3: Addison was a good pick, and yeah, I look at
Speaker 3: this defense. It's the opposite of the Packers, like they
Speaker 3: have almost no homegrown Day one or two. They literally
Speaker 3: don't have a Day one or two guy that was
Speaker 3: drafted on their team that's starting for their defense other
Speaker 3: than Harrison Smith. He's been there thirteen years. Like they
Speaker 3: have no premier homegrown talent a defense. That's a tough
Speaker 3: way to live.
Speaker 4: Kind of to me. I'm curious what their plan is.
Speaker 2: Was the Donald move strictly a move like, here's our
Speaker 2: backup plan if the draft doesn't go our way or
Speaker 2: they see Donald as a depreciated asset, then they can
Speaker 2: with a cheap QB build up the roster quickly around
Speaker 2: him and take a swing. I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 2: That's the NFC North. We take a break and we
Speaker 2: hit the South. All right, we're back. Mark, do you
Speaker 2: want to do you want to give a bayside? I
Speaker 2: want to give a bayside a try?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sure, Well no, he has to say, you're not allowing
Speaker 1: to out here. I had no chance at it?
Speaker 4: Know, all right, hit it, Eric, did you understand the assignment?
Speaker 3: I do not have any idea what you're asking comes
Speaker 3: back from the break with the baysides thing.
Speaker 1: That might be what Mark just kind of checking out.
Speaker 1: He might not be aware of what.
Speaker 10: But then usually naturally you have about this next do
Speaker 10: you want me to say.
Speaker 4: That, I'll do it.
Speaker 1: I'll see what he says, you say, and then coming.
Speaker 4: Back out of the last break, you'll give it a shot.
Speaker 1: I'll just I'll just.
Speaker 2: Said, do you want to try basside and you just
Speaker 2: said sure? You had no idea what I.
Speaker 1: Play the song?
Speaker 10: I mean because it's like, like you know these things,
Speaker 10: I kind of am more like a I mean react
Speaker 10: mode during that we would come out of these long,
Speaker 10: lengthy enjoyment breaks.
Speaker 1: That we have.
Speaker 2: Okay, so here they come, here it comes, and then
Speaker 2: we'll the last all right, welcome back. We now move
Speaker 2: on to the thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I thought you wanted me to do it. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm showing you this time around.
Speaker 10: And then for our last break, I'll do it to
Speaker 10: my own I'll do it in my own way.
Speaker 1: Okay, when the time comes, that's what we really want.
Speaker 4: Okay, there we go mark the Falcons. That was a journey.
Speaker 10: Yeah, no, I feel I at this point, I'm just
Speaker 10: completely lost. At see I would I would ask here
Speaker 10: we go remember the old like IBM you make the
Speaker 10: call commercials. Those were fun, like the back when you
Speaker 10: know there was like not you know there was a
Speaker 10: less nonsense going on, so you could focus on it
Speaker 10: and like you and your dad would argue over like
Speaker 10: the penalty call. I don't remember those, but it might
Speaker 10: have proceeded your watching at it. It was like it
Speaker 10: was old well, but uh, I want you to imagine
Speaker 10: in this world that like Terry Fontineau Falcons GM has
Speaker 10: received a case of sunstroke after a like a front
Speaker 10: office boat party at the George DS. Sparks Reservoir which
Speaker 10: is outside of Atlanta, and he's down for the county,
Speaker 10: can't attend the draft, so you have to make the call,
Speaker 10: and you are looking at a pretty loaded Falcons offense
Speaker 10: pick number eight. Though you can help Raheem Morris get
Speaker 10: a foundational defensive player, picking Dallas turn the number one
Speaker 10: out of Alabama in the draft.
Speaker 1: They need that.
Speaker 10: Or you can look at a wide receiver room with
Speaker 10: Drake London, Darnell Mooney, Rondell Moore, and Kyle Pitts and
Speaker 10: you just go go get Roma Dunze and just say
Speaker 10: Kirk Cousins. No matter, even if your Achilles is still
Speaker 10: only at thirty percent, you cannot help but hit one
Speaker 10: of these players on every pass attempt.
Speaker 1: That you have, you make the call.
Speaker 3: Great, I think I'm taking the defensive plate. Well, Dounday's
Speaker 3: a unique case. Is he duplicative of Drake London. They're
Speaker 3: kind of similar in some way, So although you would
Speaker 3: love to have both, I don't think he'll be there.
Speaker 3: I kind of think the first six seven picks of
Speaker 3: the draft are guy going to be quarterback, wide receiver.
Speaker 3: It's like an ultimate Fantasy showdown. So unless they are
Speaker 3: willing to move up, I have a feeling they'll be gone.
Speaker 3: And their defense looks like one of the worst defenses
Speaker 3: in the league on paper. It's kind of flown under
Speaker 3: the raidar. You know who they've signed on defense this offseason. Nobody,
Speaker 3: literally nobody. Their edge rushers are Arnold Abauhetti and Lorenzo Carter,
Speaker 3: and the other positions are pretty thin too. Best defensive
Speaker 3: player on the board. Seems like it's working out well
Speaker 3: for them. I feel yeah, easily.
Speaker 5: And I think Dallas Turner is in a spot where
Speaker 5: the Falcons would be able to get him and.
Speaker 1: The value there.
Speaker 5: Considering that while we love all of these offensive guys,
Speaker 5: not all of them are going to pan out. It's
Speaker 5: very rare to think that every single one of them
Speaker 5: is offering the value that we think Dallas Turner might provide.
Speaker 5: He was a younger guy who's got the measurables off
Speaker 5: the charts. It seems like a no break, especially considering
Speaker 5: that Atlanta has tried, like you go back ten to
Speaker 5: fifteen years, like Vic Beasley, all these guys off the edges.
Speaker 3: They've replaced the Jets as the team never having an
Speaker 3: edge rusher.
Speaker 4: Do you want to hear the freaky thing?
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 2: The freaky thing is now Falcons say we haven't had
Speaker 2: an edge rusher since it's also John Abraham. The Jets
Speaker 2: fans were saying that for twelve years about John Abraham,
Speaker 2: and now the Falcon years, Falcons are saying.
Speaker 4: The same thing.
Speaker 1: Maybe he leaves the same guy leaves on these teams.
Speaker 1: When that's what I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying, How is it possible he's like the guy who
Speaker 3: doesn't teach the next generation how to do things, and
Speaker 3: somehow it's lasted for fifteen years.
Speaker 4: Abraham, they're number one, far and away on the improvement.
Speaker 1: In Ducks Cousins. Yeah, it was zero.
Speaker 6: It's fair could have gone to either the best part
Speaker 6: he is greg pointing at the Zeros they're zeros.
Speaker 3: The other time I said it. The first time it
Speaker 3: was that one Greg the Panthers, Oh the Panthers. I
Speaker 3: feel like we haven't given a lot of Panthers love
Speaker 3: Panthers offseason.
Speaker 1: I like what they've done.
Speaker 3: They've they've decided offensive line and Deontay Johnson like that's
Speaker 3: the best way to help Bryce Song.
Speaker 1: I think it makes sense.
Speaker 3: He spent a lot of money for Damian Lewis and
Speaker 3: Robert Hunt's not my money though, and they are definitely better.
Speaker 3: Yosh Nigeman from the Packers actually is a guy who
Speaker 3: I had in my top hundred.
Speaker 1: I like a lot and so that that's all good.
Speaker 3: And then I look at the defense and I think
Speaker 3: this was a pretty good defense, and I like a
Speaker 3: giro Evro. There's a reason why other teams wanted him.
Speaker 3: And I just think, man, a lot of talent's gonna
Speaker 3: out the door. Frankie Luvu, Brian Burns, Dante Jackson, Grossmatos,
Speaker 3: who is a good player. And they've brought some in
Speaker 3: like DJ Wanham and Josie Joel, but not big time
Speaker 3: players Jordan Fuller, and they're asking a lot out of
Speaker 3: a Giro Everro. Like the focus has only been on
Speaker 3: the offense, and now they might not be good at anything,
Speaker 3: is my point.
Speaker 10: Yeah, well they Yeah, they lost key components on that
Speaker 10: side of the ball, and they're a team largely without
Speaker 10: an identity other than the fact that they've largely failed
Speaker 10: at quarterback and up front of him. He was poorly
Speaker 10: protected though all year, and I can't think of a
Speaker 10: quarterback in the league that you don't want to get
Speaker 10: hit as many times as he was. I think Robert
Speaker 10: Hunt is a great signing. He was a six PFF's
Speaker 10: number six guard last year. He looked like it's a
Speaker 10: big loss for the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: You needed to go do that.
Speaker 10: I just think the number one thing is Dave Canalis.
Speaker 10: Two years in a row. He's revived a quarterbacks career.
Speaker 10: This seems more challenging than even Gino or Baker Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2: And you can feel the panic around the because the
Speaker 2: way the draft played out, and then Stroud instantly became
Speaker 2: the start. So they're like, holy God, what are we
Speaker 2: going to do? So let's redo the interior of the line.
Speaker 2: Let's remember he's not a very tall quarterback, so it's
Speaker 2: very important to have some maulers up front. That can
Speaker 2: really get things under control coming down. What was the
Speaker 2: old Tom Brady thing, you know, bring the pressure right
Speaker 2: at him right.
Speaker 1: Pressure doesn't make it up the middle. So there are
Speaker 1: two who does.
Speaker 2: They add a wide receiver Deontay Johnson Claybon, who is
Speaker 2: very talented. It certainly bumps back guys like Adam Feelin,
Speaker 2: which is necessary into a different spot on the depth chart.
Speaker 1: So they're trying and we'll see what else they can
Speaker 1: do here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, as far as influences the perception, c J. Stroud
Speaker 5: benefited from a lot of that team that was there
Speaker 5: right at least Laramie Tunsel was brought to benefit another
Speaker 5: quarterback right when the Texans were making that original run,
Speaker 5: and so the Texans had this upheaval. Dimico comes in,
Speaker 5: but c J. Strout was in a much better position.
Speaker 5: The team was in a much better position than the
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three Carolina Panthers, where, yeah, Adam Thielen is
Speaker 5: your number one, and you've got rookies and guys that
Speaker 5: did necessarily work out elsewhere. I think there's reason to
Speaker 5: be confident. But I'm also looking at Aziro Evro and
Speaker 5: the defense, like Greg mentioned, where it seems based on
Speaker 5: Jeremy Chin's falling off of the planet that they have
Speaker 5: a stated belief and this is the type of player,
Speaker 5: this is the system that we're going to operate in,
Speaker 5: and if you don't do that particular thing, then we
Speaker 5: don't want you to play on.
Speaker 1: Right, Who are their edge rushers?
Speaker 3: And you've kind of brought in these maulers in the
Speaker 3: in the on the line, but they're like run first guys,
Speaker 3: and you don't really have a running back by the way.
Speaker 1: Hog Molly's save Bryce.
Speaker 2: Claybot on the Saints, Oh, the New Orleans Saints should
Speaker 2: be fun.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's always fun.
Speaker 5: And I think every single year there's this like tisking
Speaker 5: of the Saints and saying that, well, we see, we
Speaker 5: told you the cap is real. I don't think anybody,
Speaker 5: especially shot out to Ky Harley is denwing denying the
Speaker 5: existence of the salary cap. They're just different ways to
Speaker 5: manage the salary cap. And so this Saints do actually
Speaker 5: keep some veterans to Mario Davis comes back, the honey
Speaker 5: Badger comes back.
Speaker 1: They still have the talent.
Speaker 5: But last year was the best head coaching season in
Speaker 5: Dennis Allen's career, The absolute.
Speaker 1: Best judged by wins and losses.
Speaker 2: By wins and lossy can we get just get one?
Speaker 2: Dennis Allen compliment without the original.
Speaker 1: That wasn't a compliment. It was at the best coaching job.
Speaker 1: It was career, it was not. It was just well,
Speaker 1: purely a statement of fact. It's damning with Faine praise
Speaker 1: intentionally is.
Speaker 4: Let it be?
Speaker 1: Just let it sit a little bit, purely a statement
Speaker 1: of fact. Best season Dennis Allen.
Speaker 5: Has ever had as the head coach of the National
Speaker 5: Football League. What's the best reason to believe the Saints
Speaker 5: will finish even better in the division in twenty twenty
Speaker 5: four than they did in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: I can't because I think last year they.
Speaker 10: Openly sort of said we're going to ride through this
Speaker 10: this year identity free.
Speaker 1: I want.
Speaker 10: I look at the Saints over the last couple of seasons.
Speaker 10: I don't know how it is you want to exist
Speaker 10: in this world or what life you're trying to live
Speaker 10: and what you're trying to tell your fans. It just
Speaker 10: to me, it's like a roster kind of floating. And
Speaker 10: this what they've done so far this time around, feels
Speaker 10: like more of the same to me.
Speaker 3: What's a roster led by a defensive coach that wants
Speaker 3: his defense to be good, and it should be good.
Speaker 3: It was good last year, can it be great. We'll
Speaker 3: see Chase Young they bring in. We didn't talk about
Speaker 3: that on the show where it's a lot of roster surgery,
Speaker 3: right right, if he can be active, So they it
Speaker 3: was a fairly low risk because of the money and
Speaker 3: you know, a decent reward I think for him, but
Speaker 3: you hope he's well. Willie Gay was a nice signing,
Speaker 3: like their defense should be good. I just don't buy
Speaker 3: that they're suddenly conservative. They haven't done much this offseason,
Speaker 3: and I feel like more is coming. They didn't they
Speaker 3: need a second wide receiver. They certainly needed left tackle.
Speaker 3: Despite having traded up for Trevor Penning a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago. Marshall Lattimore maybe will be part of trying
Speaker 3: to improve other spots on the roster.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I hope not, because he's one of
Speaker 1: the best players on the roster.
Speaker 4: This is where I was supposed to speak you.
Speaker 1: You seem agitated, want to.
Speaker 4: No, no.
Speaker 2: I always in this case, I was kind of sitting
Speaker 2: it out because I felt like the takes were strong
Speaker 2: about the Saints, and I don't have the same level
Speaker 2: of like heat around them.
Speaker 1: So he's gonna well, it's like keep passing the ball
Speaker 1: back and forth.
Speaker 3: When if you say it's the best coaching, you were
Speaker 3: doing that a little tongue in cheek because I'm giving
Speaker 3: the judges score, I'm giving them a lower score.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, just again, we've we've done quarterback wins.
Speaker 5: There are the group of people that believe that, you know,
Speaker 5: the quarterback gets to I feel like if we were
Speaker 5: applying that to quarterbacks, then we should definitely apply to coaches.
Speaker 1: Well was his best season?
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of hey, you got the you mentioned that
Speaker 3: you had to get Nathan Peterman in the building quickly,
Speaker 3: Peter quarter I do like Clint Kobiak.
Speaker 2: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, me thinks the Bucks are tad
Speaker 2: high on their own supply.
Speaker 9: Mmm.
Speaker 2: Remember that Jason Light Connor or Ambush at the combine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, this.
Speaker 2: Is also the same Jason Light who recently said that
Speaker 2: the Bucks free agency was one of the greatest free
Speaker 2: agency hauls ever.
Speaker 1: That was a direct quote, actually, and you know.
Speaker 2: That meant they re signed Mike Evans Levante, David got
Speaker 2: Baker under contract, and while I believe wholeheartedly the positive
Speaker 2: reinforcement of self is important. I am pounding that message
Speaker 2: home to my eldest son Jack right now, who's gone
Speaker 2: through some struggles on the baseball diamond the spring.
Speaker 4: But perspective context also important.
Speaker 2: Not all back to back to back division winners are
Speaker 2: created equal by the.
Speaker 1: Way they won three in Arona.
Speaker 2: And it's important to remember that Tampa Bay won these
Speaker 2: last two division titles despite a five hundred record across
Speaker 2: those two years. Actually, yeah, seventeen and seventeen. So the
Speaker 2: question becomes, what are the Bucks have to do to
Speaker 2: aspire to be more than just the champion of a
Speaker 2: bad division?
Speaker 1: Hmm.
Speaker 3: He had some more explosiveness on offense, like they are
Speaker 3: a great test of how much continuity matters. Bringing back
Speaker 3: all the guys you said, even bringing in Jordan Whitehead
Speaker 3: is continuity again, like bringing back a guy that was
Speaker 3: there when they didn't win the division. But they did
Speaker 3: win the Super Bowl four years ago. So it's been
Speaker 3: a nice run. His offensive line, he's done a good job.
Speaker 3: Jason light like all their their entire offensive line is
Speaker 3: day one or two picks by Jason light Like He's
Speaker 3: a sneaky good drafter, but I feel like we need
Speaker 3: to get a few more of the difference makers on
Speaker 3: the defensive side. Trading away Carlton Davis and Todd Bowles's
Speaker 3: defense was really not holding their end of the bargain consistently.
Speaker 10: Last I'm with you, Dan in the sense that, like
Speaker 10: I keep hearing the Bucks six saying we're running it back,
Speaker 10: Like you finish with the same record as Dennis Allen
Speaker 10: and the Saints and in a bad division, and you
Speaker 10: want a playoff game against a team that had fallen
Speaker 10: off a cliff, right, but you're running back something that
Speaker 10: probably will give you again about eight or nine wins.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the questions are about the offense. To me,
Speaker 5: I feel confident in Todd Bowles, and then that brings
Speaker 5: me back to Baker Mayfield. Like, I know it was
Speaker 5: a fantastic season, But am I going to see Baker
Speaker 5: Mayfield in this vision of the same way I see
Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins in the same way I see Dak Prescott
Speaker 5: or Jalen Hurts. I just don't know if Baker gets
Speaker 5: them over that line where you can have that continuity
Speaker 5: when it's Tom Brady because you're gonna have an opportunity.
Speaker 5: I don't know the variance that Baker Mayfield provides is
Speaker 5: enough to get what's left of that team.
Speaker 10: And it's another year where Baker Mayfield goes through a
Speaker 10: coordinator switch. I know he's happy with Liam Comban. It's
Speaker 10: like it's another one of these.
Speaker 2: If you're willing to go that high for Baker salary wise,
Speaker 2: why not rework a couple more deals and make a
Speaker 2: real play for Kirk And then you don't, and then
Speaker 2: he ends up in your own division and he goes
Speaker 2: to the team that has the otherwise a roster otherwise
Speaker 2: built to contend best in that division.
Speaker 4: Time out, time out, time out.
Speaker 2: Now, it's understandable that you might have just listened to
Speaker 2: those three minutes and said, Tad critical there, Yeah, Daddy Rich,
Speaker 2: So I have a dissenting opinion. This dissenting opinion is
Speaker 2: actually the owner of West Bromwich Albion Football Club WO
Speaker 2: and also a Bucks super fan, Shelln Patel.
Speaker 4: This break News is a world exclusive.
Speaker 12: Hey their heroes. Longtime listener, first time agitator. I've been
Speaker 12: a lot more focused on football than football this offseason.
Speaker 12: But when I heard that the Tugboat was trashing the
Speaker 12: Bucks offseason moves. I had to step in and defend
Speaker 12: my guys. The Buck's main job this offseason was to
Speaker 12: retain or extend for all pro players, and those were
Speaker 12: Mike Evans, Antoine Winfield, Junior, Levonte David, and Tristan Wurfs.
Speaker 12: And they're well on track to doing that. And a
Speaker 12: big reason why is because Baker is who Baker is
Speaker 12: and because he did the deal that he did, and
Speaker 12: so I think the Bucks have the right combination of
Speaker 12: players to feast on a week division. And I'm glad
Speaker 12: that Dan's sleeping on the Bucks, and I'm glad people
Speaker 12: are sleeping in the Bucks because that seems to be
Speaker 12: when they do their best work. Going into the draft,
Speaker 12: They've got a couple holes O line, edge rush and
Speaker 12: DB's and you know, Jason Light's been good at getting
Speaker 12: O linemen and DB's in the draft. And we'll have
Speaker 12: to figure out how to get the best Edgresher we can.
Speaker 12: But I think we still have the opportunity to beat
Speaker 12: up on a weak division. The Panthers are drash, the
Speaker 12: Saints are still figuring things out, and I don't think
Speaker 12: the Falcon's got so much better with the Kirk Cousins
Speaker 12: coming off an achilles injury to really scare us away
Speaker 12: from from aiming for our fourth straight division crown. So
Speaker 12: go Bucks and up the Albion.
Speaker 10: Wow, you go boing boing, that's good comeback because I
Speaker 10: think I think the Winfield thing, the way they handle
Speaker 10: that matters, And you know, there would have been a
Speaker 10: fair excuse for the post Tom Brady Bucks just to
Speaker 10: disappear entirely, and Light has navigated. I mean, you keep
Speaker 10: the good players that you have and you keep adding more.
Speaker 10: But it's like, I could there are worse fan experiences
Speaker 10: right now.
Speaker 3: Jason Light's sneaky been there for a decade now. A
Speaker 3: good job by him navigating all these different errors, and
Speaker 3: he really he really is a good drafter, Like he
Speaker 3: really does fill in at dB very well. They need
Speaker 3: they just need more players that are getting better. I
Speaker 3: feel like they have a lot of players like Godwin,
Speaker 3: like Evans, like Baker Frankly who have like they're not
Speaker 3: going to get better.
Speaker 1: We know that they need to be that good just.
Speaker 3: To get out scored in aggregate by like twenty points
Speaker 3: over the last two years.
Speaker 1: So it's like you need some younger players that are getting.
Speaker 5: Better and Rashaan White stepped up and we're still talking bucks.
Speaker 5: Yeah out, that's what the tom outs for. And I
Speaker 5: think you keep the guys that are going to be
Speaker 5: in your ring of honor one day, right. And in
Speaker 5: terms of like Mike Evans, I feel could have gotten
Speaker 5: a better offer elsewhere. I think Baker Mayfield perhaps could
Speaker 5: have waited things out and saw where Kirk went and
Speaker 5: got some more money. But Jason Light the folks in
Speaker 5: Tampa convincing them to I think they should be celebrated
Speaker 5: for that. I just don't see where the ceiling, like,
Speaker 5: where's that surprisis.
Speaker 3: It's kind of all about continentity because when I look
Speaker 3: at this deptart man, they do have like these guys
Speaker 3: have all played together for a while, not continuity. In
Speaker 3: terms of the offensive coordinator. That's a little bit of
Speaker 3: a concern because Liam Cohen is the one guy from
Speaker 3: the Sean McVay tree that really didn't get a bump
Speaker 3: that he got it. He got bumped off the Rams
Speaker 3: roster by Sean McVay.
Speaker 2: That clear headed, concise take is classic Shelyn Patel and.
Speaker 3: That's why he's running an actual sports team that you
Speaker 3: hear a team owner call another team trash, But I
Speaker 3: like that. You gotta love that different sport. I mean,
Speaker 3: and some of the press he's getting out there.
Speaker 2: Here's BBC Shlyn Pateel, West Brom owner aiming high m
Speaker 2: dash but with realism and patience. How about this from
Speaker 2: Express and Star. Shelyn Pateel is already giving West Brom
Speaker 2: fans something they have been craving.
Speaker 1: Crave. That's what he was just on our show Arrow Up.
Speaker 1: That's our budget. Craving is important, as I learned and
Speaker 1: Love is Blind season six, do.
Speaker 10: You have us like a little money stake in this show?
Speaker 10: Was like the fourteenth time you brought this.
Speaker 3: It was like grave when Dan, when you weren't here.
Speaker 3: Patrick and I actually did like five minutes on Love
Speaker 3: Is Blind season six, and then I told Eric to
Speaker 3: take it out of the show.
Speaker 1: Were you are for this?
Speaker 10: Yeah, but I mean I've not. I watched like two
Speaker 10: episodes of season one and.
Speaker 1: Then afterwards I was like, you know what, let's just
Speaker 1: take that out.
Speaker 5: But incredible, Maybe maybe we could put it on plack
Speaker 5: on the list if if folks want to hear that
Speaker 5: five minutes.
Speaker 2: I was going to say you could have done it
Speaker 2: could have been a satellite pod. But isn't that already
Speaker 2: meanest territory.
Speaker 1: There you go. The season's long over. NFL plus I
Speaker 1: think would it would would.
Speaker 4: They'll take it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, bus will take a little Love is Blind recap.
Speaker 3: I've moved on to blown Away and Top Chef. I
Speaker 3: like that last blowing competition underrated blown Away.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the update.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break and we will finish
Speaker 2: out the NFC with the West.
Speaker 1: All Right, we're back.
Speaker 10: The show is continuing. Let's move to the NFC West.
Speaker 10: The Arizona Cardinals with Greg Wow. I love that you
Speaker 10: did the whole thing. The Arizona Cardinals. All right, they exist?
Speaker 10: Hey was them all? We're talking about your team for
Speaker 10: the first time. I feel like all off season they
Speaker 10: have been quiet. Little surprise year two of this regime
Speaker 10: that they aren't stirring things up a little more.
Speaker 4: Marky S.
Speaker 3: Brown, Rondel Moore out the door. They really don't have
Speaker 3: any wide receivers. You get rid of DJ Humphreys at tackle,
Speaker 3: you get Joanah Williams.
Speaker 1: You have some rotational defensive lineman. But this is still
Speaker 1: a team.
Speaker 3: If you were just guessing who has like a top
Speaker 3: five pick next year. They might them, and the Panthers
Speaker 3: still have the most to work out. They need a
Speaker 3: number one wide receiver right now, it's Michael Wilson or Dorsch.
Speaker 3: Like they need a ton on the defensive line. I
Speaker 3: don't know if they're putting Kyler Murray in the best
Speaker 3: position to succeed right now.
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of help on this roster right now.
Speaker 1: That's my concern too.
Speaker 10: And they have been talked about, you know, Monte Austin
Speaker 10: Fort Lakes to compile draft picks, that that's a target
Speaker 10: in the draft where someone could move up to get
Speaker 10: that QB four or Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson is a good player.
Speaker 10: I thought he showed a lot of promise, but he
Speaker 10: seems like a good number two.
Speaker 1: Greg is Derritch is interesting too.
Speaker 10: When Zach Pascal is the other guy, you can't I
Speaker 10: don't think you can afford to move out of that
Speaker 10: spot and pass up on like Marvin Harrison Junior. I
Speaker 10: think you've got to give Kyler Murray in the rest
Speaker 10: of this offense a chance.
Speaker 5: And I feel like, considering what Kyler has been through,
Speaker 5: I have more confidence this season than I did a
Speaker 5: couple of other seasons ago in terms of Kyler coming
Speaker 5: back with an opportunity to be healthy, coming into the year,
Speaker 5: and seeing these other quarterback situations and the way things
Speaker 5: have kind of been a success or a disaster.
Speaker 1: There hasn't been a lot of in between.
Speaker 5: Kyler's probably that quarterback that's been the in between where
Speaker 5: we haven't gotten what we wanted. But there's still hope
Speaker 5: of some promise. I think we see that come to fruition.
Speaker 1: I thought he fit well in this system.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Michael Wilson is maybe not as solid
Speaker 5: as a one as you would like. But the year
Speaker 5: two there is cause to be positive about.
Speaker 2: It's good from a Cardinals fan perspective that you can
Speaker 2: just kind of get things back.
Speaker 4: You got the doat, you got the boat out of
Speaker 4: the dock.
Speaker 2: Now it's the repairs are done, and maybe we could
Speaker 2: go out on the high season and do some things.
Speaker 2: Because you had all the drama around Kyler with the contract,
Speaker 2: that he blows his knee out, then you're waiting for
Speaker 2: him to return. Now we can go into a new
Speaker 2: season with a fresh start. There's so much work to
Speaker 2: do on the roster obviously, and you lose Hollywood Brown,
Speaker 2: DJ Humphries. There's work to be done, Greg, But at
Speaker 2: least you have Kyler starting fresh and healthy, and let's
Speaker 2: see once and for all if he is that dude.
Speaker 3: I'm confident in him. I thought he fit well in
Speaker 3: that system. I thought they coached really well on both
Speaker 3: sides of the ball, like Gannon was cooking up pretty
Speaker 3: creative game plans without a lot of talent. But that
Speaker 3: lack of talent is still there, so they really need
Speaker 3: to start hitting, like Justin Jones. They gave twenty million
Speaker 3: dollars guaranteed. That was their big move on defense, a
Speaker 3: guy that the Bears, you know, weren't exactly in love.
Speaker 2: With the rams Aaron Donald, less rams of Patrick Claybon.
Speaker 5: And it's such We've talked about the Philadelphia Eagles having
Speaker 5: to deal with the first ballot Hall of Famer not
Speaker 5: being on the team. Still playing very well, Aaron Donald
Speaker 5: was still playing exceedingly good football, and he was getting
Speaker 5: the Lion's share of attention as he always would. But
Speaker 5: the contributions from Kobe Turner last year, maybe because of
Speaker 5: what Will Anderson did, kind of got slept on. Overall,
Speaker 5: on his same team, Pooka kind of stealing his shine
Speaker 5: a little bit. They've done so well in the draft,
Speaker 5: and Sean McVay hasn't actually gone to the combine since
Speaker 5: twenty twenty, and I'm wondering, are the ramps proving that
Speaker 5: does anybody need to go to the combine the way
Speaker 5: that Less is cranking out these very very good players
Speaker 5: later on in the draft.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what they do this year. That's
Speaker 1: my only question. The coaches need to go to the combine.
Speaker 10: I think it's funny because Sean McVay, like, from from
Speaker 10: a cynical angle, he could say, oh, he wants to
Speaker 10: you know, work Less.
Speaker 1: I don't think that at all.
Speaker 10: But it's like the first kind of coach to totally
Speaker 10: goes to combine like he he doesn't want to do
Speaker 10: anything in the preseason. These are two like building blocks
Speaker 10: of the NFL offseason into regular action, and he just
Speaker 10: dismisses them both.
Speaker 1: And last year was one of the best coaching jobs
Speaker 1: in the NFL.
Speaker 3: I thought, well, he's not picking the players, certainly not
Speaker 3: on defense. I do worry a little bit that they're
Speaker 3: they're rolling back this idea of like now it's Chris
Speaker 3: Shula as the defense court. It's like, we're just trying
Speaker 3: to be average on defense and we're gonna invest sixty
Speaker 3: six million dollars guaranteed at guard in Jonah Jackson and
Speaker 3: Kevin Dotson, which I they're gonna be fun. It's like,
Speaker 3: I'm it's a creative way that they've attacked this offseason.
Speaker 3: I like Cam Curle. They brought Bacterius Williams, but also
Speaker 3: Kella Witherspoon.
Speaker 4: Is it for you?
Speaker 3: Just like no Aaron Donald and you're going cheap a
Speaker 3: little bit on defense and it's a new defensive coordinator
Speaker 3: like Raheem did a nice job coaching this defense up
Speaker 3: and counting on that again might be you know, expecting
Speaker 3: too much.
Speaker 4: I liked the way JB.
Speaker 2: Long put it on the show on Monday that Donald,
Speaker 2: you lose Donald and it's massive and it's incalculable and
Speaker 2: we're going to see how they move on. But he
Speaker 2: was there as a transition with your boy Kobe Turner,
Speaker 2: Greg Ee and that defense getting its sea legs in
Speaker 2: real time and ending up almost almost getting too the
Speaker 2: divisional playoff Iron Young two. I still think there was
Speaker 2: a world where they win the Super Bowl last year,
Speaker 2: it was like one in twenty.
Speaker 1: I think there was a whorld. Yeah.
Speaker 4: JB was kind of hitting at that.
Speaker 2: If they can get by that first game, it's kind
Speaker 2: of a wide open.
Speaker 4: You never know.
Speaker 2: And so I get why the way they're playing this
Speaker 2: offseason and they're looking to kind of build in this
Speaker 2: like Mock two or is it mock three now Sean
Speaker 2: mcvay's tenure there, keep the quarterback up right, and you know,
Speaker 2: the sky's the limit.
Speaker 3: I think on offense, they remind me a little bit
Speaker 3: of the Colts back in the day. Now, the Colts
Speaker 3: had a couple like Hall of famers or near hall
Speaker 3: of famers on defense. But it's just like, invest in
Speaker 3: offense every year, try to be a top three offense
Speaker 3: every year. Hope the defense is good enough and will
Speaker 3: win ten games at worst with our offense.
Speaker 2: The Seattle Seahawks, I got this one. So I feel
Speaker 2: like for years now, the Seahawks have been parked in
Speaker 2: a cul de sac neighborhood. That's that's fine, it's nice.
Speaker 2: The houses are not luxurious, but comfortable. The people, you know,
Speaker 2: the people maintain their yards and the neighbors get along
Speaker 2: and it's a nice place to trick or treat, but
Speaker 2: also not the place you go if you're hoping to
Speaker 2: get full candy bars. You know what I'm saying. There's
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with that. I Gus Brandon many yeah, the
Speaker 2: many ones. No, I'm talking about the full bars, the
Speaker 2: ones Connor organ out right, you got to go to
Speaker 2: a different neighborhood. I imagine that's where that's where they want.
Speaker 1: To be eventually.
Speaker 2: Okay, And I think this is a pretty decent roster
Speaker 2: with you know, good players on defense. They have talent
Speaker 2: on offense, you know, a replacement level quarterback but not
Speaker 2: a bad player, not a not a major issue. And
Speaker 2: that kind of set up with good coaching. And we'll
Speaker 2: see how Mike McDonald is. Is a recipe for nine
Speaker 2: or ten wins, maybe a one off road trip in
Speaker 2: the playoffs, But is there something more to aspire to?
Speaker 2: Does this team have the ambition to try to move
Speaker 2: out of that neighborhood? As Brandon Flowers of the Killers
Speaker 2: once said, there's nothing wrong with working class, but what
Speaker 2: if there's more out there? The American dream as it were.
Speaker 10: I love change, and like the Seahawks started to feel
Speaker 10: a little stale to me under Pete Carroll.
Speaker 1: As much as I like Pete Carroll, I think Mike McDonald.
Speaker 2: Think that's part of like what the setup of Carol
Speaker 2: moving on is because I think they get that.
Speaker 3: All time Hall of Fame type coaches indicating they want
Speaker 3: to change the neighborhoods.
Speaker 10: I think Mike McDonald is going to be a huge
Speaker 10: story next year. There's something about his vibe just watching
Speaker 10: a couple of his press conferences, like, I think that
Speaker 10: the Seahawks needed this. And I'm not down on Geno
Speaker 10: Smith or anything, but I thought that Sam Howell trade
Speaker 10: was intriguing because this, to me, is a starter in development.
Speaker 10: Who if things get a little shaky at quarterback. Sam
Speaker 10: Howell is much more spicy to me than Drew Locke
Speaker 10: as a number two who can come in and at
Speaker 10: times look really good.
Speaker 5: I don't know, yeah, I mean Sam Howell takes risks,
Speaker 5: he holds onto the ball way too long, but he
Speaker 5: can go out there and get buckets. There was a
Speaker 5: time last year where he was leading the NFL in passing.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's enough to dethron Gino, but what
Speaker 5: it does is it gives you value at the backup
Speaker 5: position where all these backups are playing, and you know,
Speaker 5: we see a team's actual commitment and how they feel
Speaker 5: about their starter, perhaps considering where the backup is and
Speaker 5: how good he is, where they're not necessarily concerned about
Speaker 5: the starter psyche or whatever's going to ruin.
Speaker 1: Gino like that. He's been through everything.
Speaker 5: But do you know, talent wise on defense, I think
Speaker 5: there's there's some room to improve. On offense, run of
Speaker 5: the ball. It just got to keep people healthy. But
Speaker 5: I think they can get there. I think they're on
Speaker 5: the precipice. It's just hard, especially in this division.
Speaker 3: Their biggest move was just bringing Lenny Williams back and
Speaker 3: then they had resigning no offense, so they haven't gone
Speaker 3: outside that much. They have new linebackers Tyroe Dodds and
Speaker 3: Jerome Baker I thought were smart.
Speaker 1: Eleven core guys have left the.
Speaker 2: Team final time out. I really wasn't trying to be
Speaker 2: a jerk about Gino. I'm just where does he fit
Speaker 2: on the the Dalton line.
Speaker 3: He's definitely above it. Yeah, so I don't think it's
Speaker 3: replacement based.
Speaker 2: On It's not Miles last year's play also or just
Speaker 2: the year that everyone remembers.
Speaker 3: I think he played really well down the stretch last year,
Speaker 3: and if you look at kind of the pop the
Speaker 3: hood numbers, even the PFF grades stuff, the two years
Speaker 3: were very, very similar. I think he's been a little
Speaker 3: streaky within those years, but they didn't blockwell for him.
Speaker 3: He threw well down the field all season. He's not
Speaker 3: a perfect quarterback, but I think he was safely above that.
Speaker 3: To me, he was in that like ten to twelve
Speaker 3: range both years.
Speaker 10: Oh okay, I mean I thought when we were in
Speaker 10: London we watched him make some that just watching him
Speaker 10: together at the same time, like Gino can whip the
Speaker 10: ball down field, and I honestly think he is higher
Speaker 10: than the Dalton line. Mike McDonald did not come out
Speaker 10: screaming and shouting about he's definitely their starter.
Speaker 3: But their actions, their actions Patrick's point kind of showed like, yeah,
Speaker 3: they brought in a backup, backup who has a similar
Speaker 3: skill set in some ways other than the running to Gino, and.
Speaker 1: A backup that can then learn from Geno.
Speaker 5: I think like for every twenty seconds we spend talking
Speaker 5: about Sam Darnold, then that should mean at least twenty
Speaker 5: minutes of Gino discussion.
Speaker 1: Well, Donald, to me, is because that's something critical way.
Speaker 10: I do think we spent in the high well, we do,
Speaker 10: say twenty minutes talking about Geno Smith on every preview show.
Speaker 4: We've given money of Geno Smith conversation on that.
Speaker 3: I think Donald, though, would be closer to a replacement level. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, based on his contract, Like I guess that's
Speaker 3: what I think.
Speaker 1: We're at a different.
Speaker 2: We don't know about Donald, but yeah, right now he
Speaker 2: needs to prove that he can even or bakery even.
Speaker 5: We don't know about Donald, but a few years ago
Speaker 5: we were absolutely certain about Gino right too.
Speaker 2: He's fine too. Uh, I gotta get you know what,
Speaker 2: I got to get Nick Schuk in here. Shuk's got
Speaker 2: him eighteen And I think that is a nice spot.
Speaker 3: Two years, last two years, Combine charted passing this from
Speaker 3: football inside on throws fifteen yards dunfield. You know, Gino
Speaker 3: Smith the number one most accurate quarterback in the league.
Speaker 3: I think, what like when he's got his issues hold
Speaker 3: the ball sometimes he's almost too aggressive, but when he
Speaker 3: sets up to throw, the ball goes where he wants
Speaker 3: it to go about as well as any quarterback in
Speaker 3: the league, which is a great starting point.
Speaker 10: I think like maybe Dan where you're coming from, because
Speaker 10: it's kind of how I feel. It's just like, okay, cool,
Speaker 10: so Gino Smith's your quarterback. Let's see how that right.
Speaker 2: Don't get it twisted. I just said they live in
Speaker 2: a nice neighborhood. Yeah right, he's part of that. It
Speaker 2: was it was a replacement level.
Speaker 5: Like even if eighteen is replacement level, then like we
Speaker 5: should be in.
Speaker 2: Like I mean to be top five, top ten quarters.
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys are saying, like the fact that
Speaker 2: I could even bring up that Gino is someone that
Speaker 2: could be replaced and they can get better at the
Speaker 2: position is no they were thought?
Speaker 3: Is I'm sorry? Like I just I fundamentally disagree with that.
Speaker 3: They certainly, I think thought about it. But I think
Speaker 3: if he's in a situation with everything great around him,
Speaker 3: like he's going to put up numbers like Jared Goff
Speaker 3: for better. I think last year he played well. He
Speaker 3: played well down the stretch. He probably saved his job.
Speaker 4: It's not bad.
Speaker 2: I listen, agree to disagree, I agree, I agree to disagree,
Speaker 2: and I respect your opinions.
Speaker 1: So you're saying you're saying you're disagree, so I disagree,
Speaker 1: but I respect the hell out of you. So it
Speaker 1: wasn't it was a shot.
Speaker 2: At a shot at Gino in that I don't see
Speaker 2: him as highly as you doesn't mean it's a shot.
Speaker 4: It's just I don't see him in the same at
Speaker 4: the same level.
Speaker 1: That's all. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Time in time in close it out. Mark With the Niners,
Speaker 2: they have been my pet team for years.
Speaker 1: They have.
Speaker 10: I mean I think they came in there was you know,
Speaker 10: there was reporting that their number one priority they lose
Speaker 10: Eric Armstead and Chase Young, that they wanted to make
Speaker 10: sure that they kept that defensive line Humming and Leonard Floyd.
Speaker 10: Nice pickup they trade from Lee Collins. I trust that
Speaker 10: this will just work out for the Niners.
Speaker 1: On some level.
Speaker 10: I see two mysteries, the kind of lingered number one like,
Speaker 10: does Brandon Ayuk get moved before the draft?
Speaker 4: There are there they were linked hanging around out there.
Speaker 10: Jaguars were linked as a team interested the Steelers. Maybe not,
Speaker 10: but he's in the last year of his contracts, so
Speaker 10: you're already paying in one of your one of your
Speaker 10: your other wide outs a.
Speaker 1: Ton of money.
Speaker 10: And it's like, I don't like seeing that that offense
Speaker 10: lose even one of those pieces because they're so overwhelming.
Speaker 10: I think the second thing for me and I just
Speaker 10: get this feeling about the Niners and maybe it's just
Speaker 10: like I don't know, I feel like psychologically or in
Speaker 10: terms of like a spiritual like feeling inside the building,
Speaker 10: like how many more breaking points can the Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 10: experience take because it's like every season has been so
Speaker 10: heart breaking. It kind of reminds me of like the
Speaker 10: Saints team that had three terrible playoff losses three years
Speaker 10: in a row, and they've really never been the same.
Speaker 10: I mean, it's just like you get so close and
Speaker 10: it's like, is there a point where we just don't
Speaker 10: assume they win fourteen fifteen games.
Speaker 2: I think it's a great question from like a human standpoint,
Speaker 2: because these losses.
Speaker 4: Aren't just any losses.
Speaker 2: I mean you look at the Super Bowl defeats, the
Speaker 2: Title Game defeat, like these are kind of feeling like
Speaker 2: the world is. They're winning in overtime of the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl a couple months ago, and they can't get over
Speaker 2: the hump. And at one point, yeah, it is that
Speaker 2: like psychologically just damage you offensively. They will return all
Speaker 2: of their starters and they're the to my mind, the
Speaker 2: best offense in the NFL. Yeah, they could try to
Speaker 2: improve their offensive line and do some things. I don't
Speaker 2: think they'll trade at Yuk, although supposedly they were open
Speaker 2: to it. Like they I think if Jacksonville was going
Speaker 2: to give up that number seventeen overall pick, they would
Speaker 2: have done it.
Speaker 1: And if I was Jacksonville, I would do that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's gonna be a thing because the offense has
Speaker 5: proliferated literally across the entire NFL, and you have Brandon
Speaker 5: Ayuk who's learned it from the person who we associate
Speaker 5: this offense with and has gone through all those trials
Speaker 5: and tribulations. It would be a mistake to move him.
Speaker 5: But to Mark's point, like physically, I think we saw
Speaker 5: the accumulation of all those extra football games on the
Speaker 5: Kansas City Chiefs and the forty nine Ers played literally
Speaker 5: the same number of games, but it didn't turn out
Speaker 5: in the way that they wanted at the end. But
Speaker 5: over and over again, to deal with that, you're eventually
Speaker 5: going to get an extra seasons worth of football and
Speaker 5: playing all of these games, and there's such a physical team,
Speaker 5: I think it does add up. Not to discount them,
Speaker 5: but like over and over again at some point and.
Speaker 2: This is the first year mark about the questions about
Speaker 2: the defense are fair now after the way they struggled
Speaker 2: down the stretch and they've lost players and it's going
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 3: Smoos Malie Collins, Leonard Floyd, Jordan Elliott kind of another radar,
Speaker 3: a lot of rotational guys.
Speaker 1: On their defense. The defensive corner.
Speaker 2: We go out with a dart as we must. We
Speaker 2: just went around the NFC. We went around FC a
Speaker 2: day earlier. So now you have all thirty two team cup.
Speaker 2: We were thinking there was a year a few years
Speaker 2: back where we've missed the team skipped, the team got.
Speaker 2: I mean very I never ever agree when or hardly
Speaker 2: ever agree when we're getting criticism on social media or whatever,
Speaker 2: like oh you hate my team, you got they always
Speaker 2: hate this team. But when you get your team skipped
Speaker 2: in this in this exercise, we we will take the
Speaker 2: l but I think we I think we're covered.
Speaker 1: But especially if you're waiting like you're the fourth division.
Speaker 1: Oh so you've maginated through. It's not forty eight minutes.
Speaker 10: It's gone forty eight minutes, and then like your team
Speaker 10: doesn't get it's like big slack.
Speaker 3: That's only once, and we started doing these around the
Speaker 3: AFC NFCS pretty early on in the run of this show.
Speaker 1: I would guess we've been doing it for like, say,
Speaker 1: our batting average is pretty good. Yeah, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: we only missed one team.
Speaker 2: You know, eight hundred's probably nine ninety up in here.
Speaker 6: I like to say, if you forgot about a team,
Speaker 6: I mean, probably not that big of a deal.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it might have been the bills also,
Speaker 2: but this was during like the forget abills.
Speaker 4: Probably warranted then.
Speaker 1: That you forgot about it.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're kind of doubling down here, you guys.
Speaker 10: The next episode we probably spent like twenty minutes talking
Speaker 10: about the bill.
Speaker 1: We make it up to people when we do.
Speaker 3: Sure it might have been the EJ Manual Tyride era bills.
Speaker 1: I believe it was a while. It was a while ago.
Speaker 1: Eric second EJ Manual reference this week.
Speaker 2: By the way, Eric, now it's time to put down
Speaker 2: the gun. And I think sometimes another risk that we take.
Speaker 2: And I just did get a report that Andrew's doing
Speaker 2: great and he's going to be real. It's good to
Speaker 2: hear later today. Have we created a monster now? Will
Speaker 2: he be able to step out of the studio and
Speaker 2: realize that time in his life is over and he
Speaker 2: needs to become a civilian again.
Speaker 1: I think it's a fair question.
Speaker 10: I would say that if memory serves, and I'm thinking
Speaker 10: of like you know, Eric and others that every producer
Speaker 10: that's had like the Taser weapon has gone absolutely nuts
Speaker 10: with it. I think it's it's a powerful it's a
Speaker 10: powerful feeling.
Speaker 1: You have to have a.
Speaker 5: Structure in place for once he gets home, you know,
Speaker 5: a code, yes, and you not necessarily that Eric needs leadership,
Speaker 5: but he said, you know, he is an order follower,
Speaker 5: and so he needs that structure in place to work,
Speaker 5: not just at home. Like you know, we got word
Speaker 5: from Kensington Palace yesterday that Kate is working at home right,
Speaker 5: work from home we can trust, We can trust that,
Speaker 5: and so I just want Eric to be able to
Speaker 5: dart from home safely.
Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 2: Let's go out with Alex Badura's song simply titled Patrick Claybunk.
Speaker 2: We'll be back next week now, GREGGI, you are taking
Speaker 2: a much deserved vacation next week.
Speaker 1: I am, Yeah, So enjoy that.
Speaker 3: ARENTS meeting up for the first time since their wedding
Speaker 3: seventeen years ago.
Speaker 1: Bicy where it's undisclosed. Okay. Oh now Hawaii.
Speaker 2: Nice so and then I'll be taking off the next
Speaker 2: week going to the same island, so we'll.
Speaker 1: See it Tuesday, Patrick Claybom.
Speaker 4: Until then, heath the call.
Speaker 9: You are the man We men, Tom.
Speaker 1: What a guy, what a stunn
Speaker 10: Um