1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: This is the Draft Prospect Review podcast on Patriots dot 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Com Radio. Welcome to the NFL Draft. The Draft Prospect 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Review podcast is your source for all the latest news 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: and information on the NFL Draft. The New England Patriots 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: now here to review the defensive backs the writers of 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: Patriots dot Com. That's right time again another draft prospect review. 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Where were the prospects? And we're gonna switch gears a 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: little bit today. Um, we have the full house once again, 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: Mike dusou Evan, Lazar t Matise Bauman right right, a whillhouse. 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: He loves the drafts. Gardner. We're gonna switch gears and 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: do a little defense today. We're gonna take a look 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: at the defensive backs. Um, obviously, just to set the 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: table here for you guys to have at it. Cornerback 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: and safety I think are you know, rather significant needs. 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: I would put corner ahead, but with the retirement of 16 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: Devin mccordy, safety can't be ignored as well. So pretty 17 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: good group of corners at the top of this draft. 18 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: I think one could be in play at fourteen. So 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: I think we should talk, you know about all the guys. Matisse, Uh, 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: you don't have any any individual guy that stood out 21 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: to you. I love Joey Porter. I love Joey Porter. 22 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: I love Joey. I like Joey Porter. I hated his dad, 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: so did. He was the worst, but he was a 24 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: great player. If I take a corner back and he's 25 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: outside guy, I wanted to be an agitating person, and 26 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: that's how Joey Porter Junior plays. You need somebody get 27 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: under your skin. And he's very physical, very close, close coverage, 28 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: and I think that's the guy. Good size and not 29 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: alone with those first round traits. And you know a 30 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: lot of guys have Christian Gonzalez and Witherspoon from Devin 31 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: Witherspoon from Illinois, you know, maybe slightly ahead of them. Yeah, 32 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: but I think you see it that way. That's the 33 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: way I see it. So Joey Porter Junior is a 34 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: very very good player. And I'm not surprised that Matisse 35 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: likes him because he's a little Sauce Gardner ish with 36 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: the length and the size on the outside. But I 37 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: think the one thing that concerns me with him is 38 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: that I think that he's a matchup based guy. Like 39 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: I don't think that you are going to be able 40 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 1: to just say Joey Porter Junior. You got Tyreek Hill 41 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: this week, and then next week you got Jamar Chase, right, Like, 42 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: you got to really make sure that you're careful with 43 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: where you put him, because I don't think that he 44 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: has the long speeder that transitions to hang with the 45 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: speedy guys like a Tyreek Hill or the jitterbug guys 46 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: in that respect. But I love Christian Gonzalez. For the 47 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: life of me, I can't figure out how this guy's 48 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: not a lock top ten consensus pick across the board. 49 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: It really has no flaws to his game. He's six 50 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: foot two, two hundred pounds, runs well, play zone plays, 51 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: man plays, match plays the run. Like, I just can't 52 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: really think of anything that he does poorly. I don't 53 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: know where the flags are. I love him. I love 54 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez, and it's like he's one of those guys 55 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: where I'm like, I just have to make peace with 56 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna go in the top ten, But I find 57 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: myself going back just to watch him because I just 58 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: think he's so smooth and so good. If he were 59 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: there at fourteen, I think that would be an absolute 60 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: steal um. But I think the Witherspoon's an interesting one, 61 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: and Evan and I were talking a little bit about 62 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: him because I think on one hand, I see him as, 63 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: you know, a little bit of a slot maybe a 64 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: little bit of a move around guys. Definitely very physical 65 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: U but at the same time, like we need a 66 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: guy on the outside, we need, you know, in that regard, 67 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: I think Gonzalez is obvious that you know, Porter maybe, 68 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: And as you get down farther in the draft, I 69 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: love Deonte Banks too, will get into him, but um, 70 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: I just have I'm so torn on on Witherspoon, whether 71 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: he's totally one of their type of guys or just 72 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: another kind of guy that they don't really need one 73 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: of those kind of guys, if that makes sense. He's 74 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: a total first round outlier if he goes in the 75 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: top twenty. A five foot eleven, hundred and eighty pound 76 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: corner going in the top twenty, let alone the top 77 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: ten is not something in the league usually. Does that 78 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: have a nickel guy? You don't see it? Yeah, yeah, 79 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: I don't see that. That's but he's got like ten 80 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: dogs in him right, Like he's just an a sleute, 81 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: good player. I like all three of these guys. Um, 82 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: I think I probably like Poorter more than Witherspoon, But 83 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: I do like all three of these guys. I agree 84 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: with you know a lot of the points you guys made. 85 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: Let's move a little bit lower. Um, you know into 86 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: day two you uh, you know full shadowed your guy 87 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: from Maryland. Uh, you know, so what stood out to you? 88 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I love him. I mean I think for me, 89 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: I think he could be one of those surprise guys 90 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: that just kind of shoots up and is in the 91 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: mid teens somewhere. Um. He just made such an impression 92 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: on me at the combine just listening to him talk, 93 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: not to you know, talk not about him on the field, 94 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: but off the field. But he just has that it 95 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: to me, like I just watching this guy, and I'm like, you, 96 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: young man, you have got it, uh physical you know, 97 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: matchup guy talk. That was a quote and I'm not 98 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: sure exactly off the top of my head where it 99 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: came from Paul, but it's one of those things that 100 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: that's the movie that was burned into my brain and 101 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: in the eighties. Um, but I really really really like 102 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: him a lot, and it's almost like the kind of 103 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: guy where I've considered you know, the Patriots just kind 104 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: of swoop and take him at fourteen. I wouldn't be 105 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: totally shocked to teach you got any of those, you know, 106 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: maybe late first, second round, third round, kind of j 107 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: Turner from Michigan four point two six speed, mix of 108 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: inside and outside. Just think he can place him anywhere. 109 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: You know, he can run with Tyreek, So anybody like 110 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: Cam Smith, Yes, yes, yeah, he's a physical guy. I 111 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: wish that he liked Smith. Yea. I wish he'd played 112 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: Jalen Hide a little bit tighter like he held Jalen 113 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: highly did in check and I think a lot of 114 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: people point to that game as a feather in his cap. 115 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: But he played off eight yards off the line of 116 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: scrimmage against Jalen High at the entire game and basically 117 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: just let him catch everything underneath and tackled him, which 118 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: is like, okay, that's a great game plan. Like I'm 119 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: not gonna play the score. That was a very high 120 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: scoring game that they had a big lead in throughout. 121 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: But I would just like to have seen him be like, 122 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm better than you and I'm just 123 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: gonna get in your face and I'm gonna eliminate you 124 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: from the equation, and I didn't necessarily think they did 125 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: that at Banks, though. Is I think Basic go in 126 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: the first round. I think he's going in the twenty. 127 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: He's he's somebody that you watch him against Ohio State, 128 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: for example, and that that just deep arsenal of receivers 129 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: that they have, and he's hanging with every single one 130 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: of those guys from Marvin Harrison Junior on down. I 131 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: think if you're trying to get into that like forty 132 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: six range, I think you're starting to talk about some 133 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: of these guys that typically the Patriots love their second 134 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: round dbs. They love to maybe go a little bit 135 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: off the beaten path with who they decide to pick. 136 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: So I've tried to kind of come I'd like to 137 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: see them go with the first or third round with 138 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: the DBS. I had enough of the second round. Yeah yeah, 139 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: let's try a different round. Yeah yeah, yeah, I would. 140 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: I'd bring up Julius Brent's too. I know everybody loves him. 141 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: I just want to be on the record saying I 142 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't love him, but I am fully 143 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: recognize that I am on an island done that one. 144 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: I think he's fine, but I don't think you're not 145 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: on an island. I don't like him all that much. 146 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: He's starting to I'm starting to have some concerns about 147 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: his profile as well, because he he ran in the 148 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: low four fives at the combine and long speed was 149 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: a concern on film, and then it was a concern 150 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: now from the combine. And he's faster than Jewan Williams. 151 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: Like he's a great size stuff. He's a tenth of 152 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: a second faster, which is that's a lot right when 153 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: you're talking about forty yard dashes. But I do think 154 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: that there are some similar Does he have the just 155 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: top end speed to hang with the NFL receivers you 156 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: mentioned Cam Smith. I think his teammate Darius Rush is 157 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: an interesting just tools based prospect. He's got a long 158 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: way to go technically converted from wide receiver to corner 159 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: I would mention him, looka, this is a long list, 160 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: like this is one of the best cornerback classes that 161 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: I've evaluated and doing this for almost ten years, you 162 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: know this is going to be a class that I 163 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: think is gonna have maybe fifteen to twenty guys go 164 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: in the first three two days of the draft, and 165 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: then some starting caliber guys going round four as well. 166 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: So I think Riley Moss from Iowa is another guy 167 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: that needs to be talked about as somebody as we 168 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: start to get into safety as well. I think Moss 169 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: and Keeley Ringo from Georgia are two guys that could 170 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: probably hang for you at corner or at safety. So 171 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: if you want to try them out at corner as 172 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: a rookie it doesn't necessarily pan out as as well 173 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: as you had hoped, and then move them to safety 174 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: like you did with Devin mccordy. I think those two 175 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: guys qualify as guys that I could see doing that 176 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: in the league and maybe being better safeties than they 177 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 1: are corners, but still having that ability to play some 178 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: corner if you wanted them to play on the outside. 179 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: Those are the day two guys that I would look at. 180 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: And then I have one one guy that is a 181 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: Patriot guy that they will take that. Everybody be like, 182 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: who the heck is this in the second round, But 183 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: we can get to that in the second No, No, 184 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: we can get to it. Corey Trice Junior from Purdue 185 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: is six foot three, two hundred and five pounds ran 186 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: a four or four six in the forty yard dash. 187 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: Press man specialist. This is everybody's got him going in 188 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: the sixth round. Bill Belichick's gonna get up there with 189 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: the forty sixth pick and he's gonna take Corey Tries 190 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: in the second round. Okay, I know it. So he's 191 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: now he's now taken open shots at the administration. So 192 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: give me before we move on to safeties. Guys, both 193 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: of you, Tease and Mike, give me sort of a 194 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: day three flyer, someone that you kind of liked. No, 195 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: don't try to like match him with the Patriots, just 196 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: someone that you know, that guy, he's have a good career. 197 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: I throw maybe Jakoreyan Bennet and they're the other guy 198 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: from Maryland. But you know, to be honest, I feel 199 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: like I don't have a great sense of the lower 200 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: guys because I've gotten so enamored with the first Also 201 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: a lot of guys to watch and sort of get 202 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: familiar with, and it's easy to just you know, we've 203 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: ran through him. I just mentioned Garrett Williams too from 204 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: Syracuse as a guy you know coming off in ACLS, 205 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: you know, has some has some traits that that you 206 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: like but um, but I do. I do think that, 207 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: you know, Bennett is I just think he's more of 208 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: a slot and that's I think. I look at the 209 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: need and I say, we need an outside guy. We 210 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: have so many slot guys that can be moved around, 211 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: and that I just I love a guy who can 212 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: play every down, play on the outside, take on you know, 213 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: those those good receivers that they face every week, and 214 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,599 Speaker 1: those guys going on in the first two days of 215 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: the draft. So I probably have become too focused on that. 216 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: And you know, though, there will be some players down 217 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: in the bottom of the draft that they might take 218 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: flyers on. But right now, I'm just got I've got 219 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: Starry Go. You got a Lake, Yeah, late Brown Gem, 220 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: hidden Gem, love, Riley Moss not super late. My guy 221 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: is Darryl Louder Junior South Alabama. Wow quarterbacks. I'm not deep, 222 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: not afraid to get in the backfield, and he's very 223 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: good at jump balls. I think that's just one of 224 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: those guys who is either going to be a practice 225 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: squad guy or is going to play here for eight years. 226 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: All right, so let's move on to safety, and um, 227 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: you know, I think what's kind of interesting now is 228 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot less of the you know, put a 229 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: guy in a in a box. You know, this is 230 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: a strong safety or this is, you know, a boundary post. Whatever. 231 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: These guys, they play safety a lot. You know, the 232 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: Patriots have done this, and we talked about this, Evan 233 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit on Patriots Unfiltered, about 234 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: just the different ways that Belichick likes to use the 235 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: safeties and hybrid kind of roles and do you see 236 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: guys without that kind of profile, Evan. So, the biggest 237 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: concern that I have with this safety class and basically 238 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: safeties in general over the last couple of years, just 239 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: talking about it from a pipeline standpoint, like what's coming 240 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: up from the college game. The Devin mccordy center fielders 241 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: just don't exist anymore because all these college teams are 242 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: playing two high zone, they are all playing split safety, 243 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: they're all playing a lot of these safeties are playing 244 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: hybrid roles in the box now like the Patriots like 245 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: to do with their guys, and they're just not a 246 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: whole lot of guys that just sit in the middle 247 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: of the field and range over the top. It just 248 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 1: is a really difficult skill set to find That's why 249 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: I mentioned Ringo and Moss's two guys that played corner 250 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: in college that have the speed and the ball skills 251 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: and that ball hawking ability maybe then transition to safety 252 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: in the pros. I think there a couple of guys 253 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,359 Speaker 1: that you look at. I think Brian Branch is eventually 254 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: going to transition to deep safety. He's somebody that played 255 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: nickel or that star role in Nick Saban's defense in 256 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: the slot. But I think that he's ideally a guy 257 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: that maybe makes that Devin mccordy type transition back end 258 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: transition to safety. His teammate Jordan Battle played free safety 259 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: at Alabama. He's somebody that was more in the middle 260 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: of the field and played that role, but has some 261 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: size at six to one to be able to come 262 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: down and play in the box as well. I don't 263 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: love this safety class. It's not a great safety class, 264 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: and it's a class that I think has a lot 265 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: of Kyle Dugger's, which I don't know how many more 266 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: of those you could possibly have on the roster than 267 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: with Dugger and Phillips and Jabrill Peppers, and even I 268 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: throw Joshua Bledsoe in that category as well. So I 269 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,599 Speaker 1: just don't really know where they go. But there's a 270 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: couple of guys in the middle rounds that that I 271 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: think are interesting. So beyond those Alabama guys Mike and Tease, Um, 272 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: you know who who stood up to you guys? Yeah, 273 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: a couple of a couple of favorites of mine. Christopher Smith. 274 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: I like him. I think that's more you know in 275 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: the middle. But I totally agree with Evan's point, and 276 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: I just I would say Brian Branch I just he 277 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: seems like a patriot to me. And as much as 278 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: you don't need him, I just watch him play and 279 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's that's one of their guys and they 280 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 1: don't really need that, but he seems like that kind 281 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: of player. Um, you know, a lower Brandon Jovas. Joseph 282 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: from Notre Dame is another one played a lot captain 283 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: uh that that I liked. And one final name I'll 284 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: mention is Sidney Brown Who's been all over the place, 285 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: but I just really like him. He's just one of 286 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: those leg And it's forgive me for bringing this up, 287 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: but you know, special teams guy does a lot of 288 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: different things. Uh, you know, maybe a later round guy, 289 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: but I just like the way he plays, plays with 290 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: his hair on fire, and it stands out to me. 291 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: I love Antonio john Antonio Johnson from Texas A and M. 292 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: I know he's gonna be a top, top guy, but 293 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: he just puts his life on the line with every 294 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: head he's always on. The love to get the back 295 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: is just looking to see if someone can maybe lose 296 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: a life on a random some dogs back. We need 297 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: some dogs. We just got Jude on that's it. Dugger 298 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: is a dog, so let's get Johnson too. Johnson's a 299 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: good player, but he's Kyle Dugger. Like literally, NFL dot 300 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: COM's comparison for him is Kyle Dug. Yeah, And that's 301 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: why I started it. And I haven't been as well 302 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: versed on the safeties because we were tied up with 303 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: some things, uh, you know, administrative things. So that's why 304 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: I prefaced it with the style, you know, because I 305 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: do think that that style is something that Belichick really likes. Um, 306 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: he's really wanted it for a long time and then 307 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: seemed to finally get it when he brought Patrick Chunk 308 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: back the second time. And I think a lot of 309 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: the guys that he's used since then, he's always had 310 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: a guy in that kind of mold, a guy who 311 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: might be physical enough to cover tight ends, definitely physical 312 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: enough to get in the box and support on the 313 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: run play, you know, a hybrid linebacker kind of role. 314 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: And sometimes it's not always the same guy. And Evan 315 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: just talked about all of those guys is kind of 316 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: have that same profile Dugger Phillips, and I think you're right, 317 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: even Bledsoe. I think, even though we haven't seen him 318 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: really with the varsity so to speak, that's what he profiles. 319 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: So I wonder if they need somebody different than that totally. 320 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: And that's it just seems like every draft they get one, 321 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: every free agency period, they seem to sign one of 322 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: those guys. And that's that's why I like. I just 323 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: I can't totally rule out Brian Branch as much as 324 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it's it's really that's the need, um. 325 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: But I think the free safety thing is is what 326 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: that Evan mentioned is is a big piece of it. 327 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: You know, do you have those guys you need it? 328 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: I just I go back to twenty twelve, they didn't 329 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: really have that guy. They were getting beat left and 330 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: right on the deep balls, so they had to make 331 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: a move with mccordy, and that kind of was the 332 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: first kind of piece to fall before then you know, 333 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: then you bring back Chung and then it all kind 334 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: of clicks into place. So it's a tough it's a 335 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: tough class to get a read on, and you just 336 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: can't ignore how much they love those strong safety types 337 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: and you brought up special teams. I want to just 338 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: throw this to Evan. We could probably wrap this up. 339 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: M Is there a late round guy that might be, 340 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: you know, that special teams kind of profile that can 341 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: do some different things. So the one guy that you 342 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: have someone feel free to follow. But there's a one 343 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: guy that stood out other than Trey Deane, who obviously 344 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: was the star of the Shrine Bowl. But Jordan Howden 345 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: from Minnesota was another player that really stood out that 346 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: I think is going to be able to have some 347 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: of that safety nickel versatility and to be able to 348 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: play in the box but also play a little bit 349 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: at corner and deep as well, and has some special 350 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: teams traits to him too. But I just you mentioned 351 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: Sidney Brown from Illinois. I actually really like his team 352 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: major Tavius Martin, who plays a nickel free safety hybrid 353 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: type of role. But out of all these people in 354 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: this class, I think Martin is the one guy that 355 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: I watched that I really felt comfortable saying that he 356 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: could play post safety in the middle of the field 357 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: and have that range and have that size to be 358 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: able to play back there. Don't I don't know if 359 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: anybody else in this class can do it better on 360 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: film currently than Tretavius Martin. And he just look at 361 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: that Illinois secondary and I have no idea how anybody 362 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: completed the pass against those guys. That defense was legit. Yeah, 363 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: I mean Martin, Sydney Brown, Witherspoon we talked about earlier. 364 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: They have three legit guys in this draft that are 365 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: top one hundred style players in that secondary, and any 366 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: one of those guys I think of the Patriots drafted 367 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: any one of them, I think Patriots fans should be 368 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: happy with the pick. This might be undrafted free agent 369 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: guy Cavon Merriweather from Iowa. He's only just you know, 370 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: he's just floating back there. But his his two minute 371 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: highlight tape. A lot of goal line stands just see 372 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: him like I can just see him, you know, field goals, 373 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 1: you know online punt return stuff like that, just you know, 374 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: making one one play. Need hear, folks in life, if 375 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: you can find anybody who cares about you the way 376 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: Teas cares about draft prospects, you're doing something right in 377 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: this world. I'll tell you that. I'm gonna put a 378 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: little bit of a bow on this one. Here. We 379 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: had wide Receivers tight Ends was our last podcast. That's 380 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: a long one because obviously you're dealing with a lot. 381 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: Another long one today with the secondary. I think this 382 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: one those corners, I think you need to really keep 383 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: an eye on at the top of the draft. I 384 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: think that's in play. And I know that the boys, 385 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: all three of you have a little bit of a 386 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: crush on Christian Gonzalez. If he slips, I'll just let's 387 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: let's close it up with this just kind of a 388 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: short answer. Yes, no, if he sort of slips he 389 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: gets to ten, eleven, twelve, is he worth trading up for. 390 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: I guess yes. I mean I just didn't I love him, Yeah, 391 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: I do. I mean the only real can thing with 392 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: me is just Pac twelve. That's it, you know, that's 393 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: just like coming from that that league, like that's it. 394 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, sorry, I call it the pack slow 395 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: because everybody in that conference. That's why, Well the wide 396 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: receivers from the PAC twelve. Yeah, but I say no, 397 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: I wouldn't trade up for him. The main reason why 398 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: is because I think this draft is so insanely deep 399 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: at corner that fair enough. I don't think that you 400 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: can go wrong with about ten of these guys. And 401 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: this is how I feel at corner in general at fourteen. 402 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: I don't love corner at fourteen because at forty six 403 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: and look, I know the second round has not been 404 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: great for the Patriots at corner, but this class I 405 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: think is unique. I think this class is different that 406 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: you're going to get a guy in that second round 407 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: range that would probably be a back end of the 408 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: first round player in a different class. That's how deep 409 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: we are at corner this year. So I think that 410 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: that's I am not exactly as into corner at fourteen 411 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: as everybody else because I feel like you can get 412 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: what they need, which is really just a matchup big, 413 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: bigger corner on the outside to play at a high 414 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: volume at boundary corner as late as probably the end 415 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: of the third round. See is he worth it for you? 416 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: NFL made number zero available for a reason this year. 417 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: That's a great answer. I like he's unbelievable. All right. 418 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: So that's our latest draft prospect review. We will be 419 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: back next week with a few more sessions to come. 420 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: Thank you for downloading this podcast. Subscribe on Apple, google Play, 421 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: and everywhere else you listen. Like the show, please rate 422 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: and review us. 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