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Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Professional Homegirl Podcast. Before

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Speaker 1: we begin today's episode, we want to remind you that

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Speaker 1: off limits because you never know how someone's storyline can

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Speaker 1: be your lifeline. The Professional Homegirl Podcast is here to

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Speaker 1: celebrate the diverse voices, stories and experiences of women of color,

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Speaker 1: providing a platform for authentic and empowering conversations. There will

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Speaker 1: be some key king, some tears, but most importantly, a

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Speaker 1: reminder that tough times don't last, but professional homegirls do

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Speaker 1: enjoy the show.

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Speaker 2: What's up Professional Homegirls? Ishugar Ebine here and I hope

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Speaker 2: all is cute. We're back with another fire episode, Dive

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Speaker 2: into my guest incredible journey of Resilia's reflection and transformation.

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Speaker 2: My guests was a correctional officer who, after a life

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Speaker 2: altering accident, found herself not only facing physical paralysis, but

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Speaker 2: also navigating the complex emotions of accidentally taking someone's life.

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Speaker 2: As we explore her story, we'll discuss the challenges she

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Speaker 2: face in prison, the realities of the legal system and

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Speaker 2: how she's rebuilding her life one step at a time. Literally,

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Speaker 2: this is such a raw and real conversation about forgiveness,

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Speaker 2: second chances in the shremth it takes to overcome life's

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Speaker 2: toughest moments. So get ready, because I accidentally took someone's

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Speaker 2: life starts now. All right to my guests, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for being on the show. How you feeling,

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Speaker 2: how you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good. How you feeling you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I'm feeling good. I feel like today or I

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Speaker 2: feel like this week Monday has been like forever. But huh, I.

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Speaker 3: Said, it's like it's still money day even though the

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Speaker 3: week is going.

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Speaker 2: But right like, this has been a long, aast week.

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Speaker 3: It's all for sure for sure.

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Speaker 2: Right then you said earlier you're feeling nervous. Why are

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Speaker 2: you feeling nervous?

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Speaker 4: Because I just want to I don't know. I always

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Speaker 4: get nervous, But once it start, you know, once you

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Speaker 4: start flowing and anything starts to come into play.

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Speaker 3: But that's just my anxiety. Yes, somebody's watching me.

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Speaker 2: Literally listen. It's so funny because I don't know how

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Speaker 2: I found my guests but we were d I was

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Speaker 2: DM at her because that's how I approached most of

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Speaker 2: my my guests for the show. And she's like, you

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Speaker 2: know my story, You're gonna do your research. I'm like, yeah, girl,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna.

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Speaker 3: Do my research right right, right right.

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Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, she thinks I'm gonna half on

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Speaker 3: All right, right right, like hold on, hold on right.

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Speaker 2: You must have came across that before.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, like sometimes people, so I don't know how

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Speaker 4: it's going to be, like or I would have to

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Speaker 4: gonna vibe and and you know, bing back offing each other,

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Speaker 4: like you know what I'm saying, It's just some some

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Speaker 4: people have it and some people trying to get to it.

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Speaker 3: So but I feel like you got it.

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Speaker 4: I was already vibing what you do through writing, right,

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Speaker 4: So I know it's about to be a good show.

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Speaker 2: Now it's gonna be a fire conversation for sure. Now.

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Speaker 2: I think your story is so fascinated because there's so

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Speaker 2: many different levels to it. But I was also interested in,

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Speaker 2: like what made you want to become a correctional officer?

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Speaker 4: Well, I had a friend that ended up being a

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Speaker 4: uh state trooper. She applied to state trooper and then

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Speaker 4: she had brought it to my attention, like why don't

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Speaker 4: you apply to be, you know, a state trooper. At

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Speaker 4: this time, I was a teacher, and I was like,

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Speaker 4: I'm like, well, it's a little money, more money into that.

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Speaker 4: But I had love teaching, but I knew I wanted

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Speaker 4: to get more money and you know, kind of change

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Speaker 4: my career. So then I decided it's like, you know what,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna to be a state trooper. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 4: through the steps that I have to do it. If

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Speaker 3: What I'm gonna be.

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Speaker 2: So then what did you teach? I?

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Speaker 3: E P kids?

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Speaker 2: What's that?

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Speaker 4: Nine twelve?

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Speaker 3: Let me think how I can word it?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I know that's that's that's what a smart kid.

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Speaker 3: Oh they need extra help.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 4: And they're all in one class from the from the

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Speaker 4: It's probably like six seven of them and I just

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you took the test to be a CEO

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Speaker 2: and you passed. And when I was doing research on

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Speaker 2: your story, it's not like you really enjoyed your job,

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Speaker 2: Like what did you love most about it?

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Speaker 3: But about being a CEO?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, to be honest, Uh, just the respect that I

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Speaker 4: got from the men in there, Like you know, what

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Speaker 4: have to be this certain way and treat them this

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Speaker 4: you know to be true. But you know, they're just

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Speaker 4: like us. They're they're human. You don't got to go

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Speaker 4: in there. They're already. They're already in there. They don't

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Speaker 4: need extra help for you to pound on them and everything.

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Speaker 4: So I respect they gave me respect and I and

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Speaker 4: I enjoyed that like that was that was a blessing

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Speaker 3: Yo, I've never let nothing happen to you.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I appreciate that job, but you know, stole

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Speaker 4: my job as a job.

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Speaker 2: And how long were you a c O?

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Speaker 3: Eight months?

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Speaker 2: Oh wow? So if everything didn't happen the way that,

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Speaker 2: did you think you would still cl.

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Speaker 4: No, I would end up uh still probably being in

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Speaker 4: in law enforcement, but I want wanted to uh, I

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Speaker 4: something outside of the prison. I definitely didn't want to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: So as a correctional officer, what were your initial thoughts

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Speaker 4: I had my different feelings about the prison system. They

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Speaker 4: pick and choose definitely who was going to get what

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Speaker 3: Give to people.

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Speaker 4: So I hate, I hate saying the race card, but

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Speaker 4: they protect their own. Like even with the situation with me,

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Speaker 4: it's just like the person that the same situation that

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Speaker 4: happened with me happened to another person and then he

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Speaker 2: Finds yo, you know what's so crazy? So I was

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Speaker 2: telling my homegirl about our conversation and your story, and

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Speaker 2: she was like she was black, wasn't she? And I

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Speaker 2: was like why you say that? And she's like, because

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Speaker 2: I really do believe she was a white woman, she

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Speaker 2: wouldn't have went to jail. Do you feel like that.

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Speaker 4: At one point I tried to tried to make myself like,

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Speaker 4: you know, no, it's not like that.

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Speaker 3: It's not like that, it's not like that. And then

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Speaker 3: the more I looked at it, and I'm like, ain't

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Speaker 3: no way. Maybe maybe it is. Because I didn't want

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Speaker 3: to I didn't want to do that race thing, like

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Speaker 2: Just you don't always want to say it's about race.

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Speaker 4: Right right, Like I don't want to do that, Like

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Speaker 4: like for me to say that, I'm like, that's cliche,

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Speaker 4: Like I don't want to say that. But the more

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Speaker 4: I was looking at stuff and then I'm researching things,

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, maybe it is. And then, like I said,

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Speaker 4: the same thing happened to someone else maybe a few

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Speaker 4: months later after my situation, and he got fined Wow,

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Speaker 4: and his and this thing is its accident. He actually

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Speaker 3: One being his father Wow. Another person in a female.

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Speaker 2: How did you find this tea out?

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Speaker 3: It was in the paper, mm, in the paper right

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Speaker 3: around our area.

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Speaker 4: Because when you once do something like that, you start

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Speaker 4: looking stuff up, you getting into your stuff, trying to

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Speaker 4: figure out like what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Because your freedom, yes absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Now could you have used that to prove your case.

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Speaker 2: I know I'm we jumping ahead, but.

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Speaker 4: I tried and it meant absolutely not. The only thing

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Speaker 4: they said that what had been the difference is they

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Speaker 4: was like, oh, ten years ago, when people would have

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Speaker 4: core accidents, you would only get probation. That's all the

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Speaker 3: We're talking about the now. Don't tell me nothing about

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Speaker 4: I'm me But whatever that God did to get whatever

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Speaker 4: he got, I wish I would have had what he.

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Speaker 2: Had, right, you know what. Everything happened for a reason,

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Speaker 2: because yeah, because I do believe that your story, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: could happen to anybody, and I think by you sharing

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Speaker 2: what not to do it, it would definitely help somebody else.

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Speaker 2: You just never know, especially with being a black woman,

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Speaker 2: because she said, I know if she was a white person,

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Speaker 3: I believe that. Sorry to say, but I believe that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we all entitled were own opinions, right, So.

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Speaker 2: Walk up through the day of the accident and what

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Speaker 4: It's like it's such a it's such a weird story,

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Speaker 4: Like it's so weird. So at this time I didn't

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Speaker 4: locks now. So at this time I had something like

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Speaker 4: she did my piece hair for me, and I remember

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Speaker 4: crying to her that that day about something real private,

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Speaker 4: like just me and her.

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Speaker 3: I just opened up.

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Speaker 4: So I'm crying to her about that, and then I

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Speaker 4: was like, you know, well when I get home, this

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Speaker 4: so then I started driving to work, and it just

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Speaker 4: it just seemed like everything happened like so quick. I

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Speaker 3: Like a blurry situation.

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Speaker 4: It's so hard to like remember, like as I was driving,

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Speaker 4: Then it was another car in front of me, still

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Speaker 2: So when did you realize that you was an accident?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when they said, uh, well, when I was in

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Speaker 2: So when you woke up and realized you was paralyzed,

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Speaker 2: Who told you you was paralyzed? So did you kind

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Speaker 4: No, when I woke up, I didn't know anything. I

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Speaker 3: I'm about to start life again now. Probably just got

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Speaker 2: And their therapy, and you was thinking that it was

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Speaker 3: Don't y'all worry about it. I'm going home in a

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Speaker 4: She's like, cause you wasn't going anywhere. Everything was broken

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is crazy. Yeah, Yo, do you

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Speaker 3: Good question?

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Speaker 2: You know, I got to get my oprah on with

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Speaker 4: I like that question. I never I never thought about that,

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Speaker 4: like all right, like you allowed to be down just

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Speaker 4: You almost didn't have legs.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you almost died.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you out here and you're walking and you're driving

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, man, what a word? God is good child.

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Speaker 3: Didn't know if I was going to walk again. They weren't.

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Speaker 2: And many surgeries that you have.

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Speaker 2: Two, and why so many surgeries.

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Speaker 4: Then they then I ain't up getting infection, so they're

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Speaker 4: It was just my legs were so dismantled that the

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Speaker 2: And I was just like he, technically, he has to

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Speaker 3: I'm an old study. Wow, University of Delaware.

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Speaker 4: And that was like one of the first biggest setbacks.

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Speaker 2: You have met your leg now, Yeah, both of my.

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Speaker 3: Legs are made of metal. It's no bone.

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Speaker 4: Wow, it's a little piece of boom because it's attached

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Speaker 4: My whole leg is made of metal, but I have

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Speaker 2: Then here my body is amazing.

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Speaker 3: And think about a hundred years ago my legs would

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to tell you. You better figure

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00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 3: it out.

443
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:55,919
Speaker 2: Right, So then walk us through the timeline, because that

444
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 2: was a year of you going through the surgery and

445
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 2: figure out what you was gonna do with your legs.

446
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 2: So how long was it afterwards you got a phone

447
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 2: call from the police.

448
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 3: So twenty seventeen.

449
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 4: My accident happened October twenty six, twenty seventeen. I ended

450
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:21,360
Speaker 4: up staying at the hospital until January of twenty eighteen,

451
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 4: and then I ended up going to a spot in

452
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 4: Philly called McGee, a rehabilitation center to learn how to

453
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 4: get my independence back. I was there until February, and

454
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 4: then that was February twenty eighteen. May twenty eighteen, I

455
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,239
Speaker 4: got a call from the barracks telling them telling me

456
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 4: to come down to make a statement about the core accident.

457
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 4: So when I go down there, I don't know nothing.

458
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 4: I'm just like, you know, I'm about to just go

459
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 4: make the statements nothing. You know, it's nothing. I didn't

460
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 4: do nothing wrong. There's no drugs, there's no alcohol. I'm

461
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 4: a correctional officer. I'm on my way to work.

462
00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: It's like you a law abiding citizen, y'all know.

463
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 4: My background is clean because I couldn't have got the

464
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 4: job without it. Like, you know, it's nothing. And I

465
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 4: go down there and I make my statement, and then

466
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 4: they were like, you know, you're under arrest. You know

467
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 4: someone has died in this car accident. And wait wait

468
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 4: what like under arrest like to go where? Like it

469
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,239
Speaker 4: was just like total shock, like somebody died. Like I

470
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 4: was like my heart just dropped, like somebody died. And

471
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 4: they're like, yeah, someone else was injured, you know, in

472
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 4: this accident. And I'm like it was an accident. I'm like,

473
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 4: it was an accident, Like no drugs, no alcohol, And.

474
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: Why he's just not telling you a year.

475
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 4: Later because I was in the hospital that whole time,

476
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 4: and I think my family knew, but nobody. I was

477
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 4: already going through all that, and I was like, I

478
00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 4: was going through so them even trying to tell me

479
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 4: I probably wouldn't to comprehend, and then did comprehend and

480
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 4: went into a whole different mental Like, you know, it

481
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 4: would have been probably a totally different probably mental honestly,

482
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,719
Speaker 4: if I would have like knew something like that. So

483
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 4: I think they were just keeping it from me. But

484
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 4: when I went down to the barracks and then they

485
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 4: told me it's just, you know, I instantly felt bad

486
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 4: for it, for whoever that that family was, because you know,

487
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 4: that was something that was never supposed to happen.

488
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 3: I never have wanted to happen, you know.

489
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 4: And then and I'm a person that's going to take accountability,

490
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 4: Like I'm like that I wish I didn't go on

491
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 4: the other side of the road, you know, just to pass,

492
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 4: like I wasn't in a I wasn't in a rush

493
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 4: or anything, but you know, because I don't want to

494
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 4: really put it on the other car. But I'm like,

495
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 4: but if that car never sped up, Like, what was

496
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 4: your purpose of doing that?

497
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 5: Right?

498
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: What was like what were you trying to accomplish? Like

499
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 3: for what?

500
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 4: And then I was you know, it's just a lot

501
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 4: of different thoughts that go through your head. But it

502
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 4: had how it happened, and you know, I take accountability

503
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 4: for it. I did my time. I'm very you know,

504
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 4: I'm very upset of you know, that that happened. I

505
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 4: think about this family every day. I wake up and

506
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 4: I'm like this, So I always think about the family.

507
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 4: I just hope that they're doing okay, because even though

508
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 4: I'm alive, someone has lost a life in the in

509
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,719
Speaker 4: the midst of of me with an accident. So you know,

510
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 4: I definitely care about that in that sense. But at

511
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 4: the same time, you know, I still have to try

512
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 4: to make the best of life that I do have.

513
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened to the other person because it was

514
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: your car, the person who passed away car, and then

515
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: the person who was trying to cut you off. Where

516
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: is that person?

517
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 3: I have no idea.

518
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: So they flee, he flee, that person flee the scene.

519
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: I have no idea. I have no idea.

520
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 2: That is crazy.

521
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: I have no idea.

522
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 2: And the cops haven't, like did their do kneeling just

523
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 2: just trying to like follow up and just trying to

524
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:58,719
Speaker 2: locate this person.

525
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 4: I think that they might have been in a statement

526
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 4: like they made a statement, but in that statement, yeah,

527
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 4: they made a statement, but in that statement they never

528
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 4: said nothing about their part of them speeding up or

529
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 4: not let me get over or anything like that.

530
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: They just had like a whole nother story.

531
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 4: But if the person that was behind the person that

532
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 4: I hit actually seen the whole thing, and in the statement, uh,

533
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 4: that person stated like I seen that car, my car

534
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 4: or whatever. I seen them trying to pass, and I

535
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 4: seen that car sped up on this young lady.

536
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: If that would have never happened, this wouldn't have happened.

537
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 4: And you know, but they didn't take they didn't take

538
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 4: the Spanish guy's word.

539
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 3: They didn't take my word. They took the other person's word.

540
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: That other person was white.

541
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, damn.

542
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 2: Ah, that's both up.

543
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that really hit me.

544
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 2: That's really fucked up.

545
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 3: They were and uh, clearly y'all was black.

546
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 4: But the person that saw the whole thing, that said

547
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 4: like I seen it like clear it was a Spanish

548
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 4: guy and they was like, yeah, I'm not. Like pretty

549
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 4: much what he said was like non and void, like

550
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 4: they weren't trying to listen to nothing.

551
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 2: He said, wow, you know, I watched sever of your

552
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 2: interviews and people were asking these type of questions because

553
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: I'm like something adding but we're gonna get to the

554
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:31,479
Speaker 2: bottom moment on the show. Wow, that's crazy. And I'm

555
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: pretty sure because you and the Boonies because you had

556
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: in the work. So it really ain't no street cameras.

557
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 4: So no, it was no cameras out there because they

558
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 4: were looking like trying to see, but there was no

559
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 4: cameras from nowhere. And I'm glad it was in the

560
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 4: daytime too, because it's dark, Like if it was at night,

561
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 4: it would have been like a whoa man, It's it's

562
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 4: like a one light every mom like yeah.

563
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: Wow.

564
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 2: So looking back, do you feel like your family should

565
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: have told you or like, did you tell your family

566
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: that you was heading to the police to give us because.

567
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 3: Somebody had to take me. They had to take me

568
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 3: because I couldn't drive.

569
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 2: And nobody say anything like just give you a heads up.

570
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 2: Somebody lost their life.

571
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, mm hmmm.

572
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 4: I didn't really like I just at this time, only

573
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 4: thing I was like really ever worried about. I was

574
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 4: trying to get myself back together and try to start

575
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 4: my life like over like somebody passing away that that

576
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 4: I didn't know that. So like me going to the

577
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 4: like me going to the police station, didn't didn't mean anything,

578
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 4: like didn't scare me because I'm like, all right, I

579
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 4: gonna make a statement, like all right, I got time.

580
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 3: I got time today, like you know, like mm hmm.

581
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: So you were arrested, where were you charged with?

582
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 4: I ended up being charged with second degree public cause

583
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 4: public health and safety, and fourth degree aggravated assault. And

584
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 4: my public health in safety uh charge is equivalent to

585
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 4: a traffic ticket, a traffic ticket, and.

586
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: You have to go to jail for.

587
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 3: That, mm hmm.

588
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 4: And and and everybody always say that because they were like,

589
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 4: hold on, what did you mean by that, like that

590
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 4: public health and safety?

591
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 3: That's a that's a traffic ticket.

592
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 4: Uh, a traffic ticket, like they'll say public health and safety.

593
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 4: But I guess it's like because it was a death,

594
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 4: you know, a death in this situation. So that's why

595
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 4: I end up uh going and going to prison.

596
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

597
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: And did you go to trial?

598
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: We never went to trial. We just came up on

599
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 3: the public health, public health.

600
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 4: And safety, and and uh the fourth degree uh aggravated assault.

601
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 3: We never even talked of to trial. I'm gonna be

602
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: honest with you. My money. He didn't have trial I didn't

603
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: have trial.

604
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: Money, and nobody like was even a part of the conversation.

605
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 4: The crazy thing is when when they first end up

606
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 4: coming up with UH with something I was only going

607
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 4: to get like a few a few months. They had

608
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 4: me like like six.

609
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 3: Or nine months.

610
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 4: But then if I would have got six or nine months,

611
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 4: that would have been considered jail time. And then if

612
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 4: I wasn't in jail, I would apply for ISP and

613
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 4: then I would have been home M because IP intensive supervision,

614
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 4: So I would have been home.

615
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 3: But the family wanted prison time.

616
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 4: They wanted me to serve time, so I had to

617
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 4: get over that three sixty six, so I had to

618
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 4: They had to find something to get over that year

619
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 4: so I could serve prison time.

620
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: And you never met the family, you have no like you.

621
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: I've seen him, I've seen them in the court.

622
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: I don't want to ask the question.

623
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen him in court, but we've never we've

624
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: never talked.

625
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: Like just a m.

626
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 4: The only thing they ever did to me was give

627
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 4: me bad looks, and I just I did nothing. I

628
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 4: just I was I'm not going to feed into it.

629
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 4: I understood how they were feeling. You know, I understand,

630
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 4: But another part of me knowing me and knowing my heart.

631
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 4: I'm just like you know, if you would have got

632
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 4: a chance to know me, or if you were to

633
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 4: get to know me, you know, when your emotions were

634
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 4: to calm down or ever calm down, I'm not what

635
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 4: you would hate. Like, I understand how you feeling, but

636
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 4: this is not even my style. But like I said,

637
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 4: there was no drugs, there was no alcohol. It was

638
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 4: a legit accident. Yeah, you know, it was just wrong

639
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 4: place at the wrong time.

640
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: So as a former correctional offer, sir, how did it

641
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: feel to suddenly find yourself on the other side of

642
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: the system.

643
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 3: I was nervous.

644
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 4: And women in prison is definitely different, definitely different than

645
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 4: a male prison. And I worked in an all male

646
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 4: women are ruthless. That was It was crazy up there,

647
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 4: you know.

648
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: What's so crazy? I interview a CEO. Well, she's retired now,

649
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: but she used to work at Rikers and she said

650
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: the same girl exactly, and she from Harlem. So I

651
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: was like, girl, but she said the same thing. She

652
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: was like, I work with niggas all day, she said,

653
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: but working with women, she said, nah, they different, they.

654
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: Different, they different.

655
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 4: I just I was nervous because because of the situation,

656
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 4: like me going to prison, Like I've never been that

657
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 4: type of a female in like high school or even

658
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 4: growing up, Like I was never that fighter. I was like,

659
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 4: you know, everybody loved me and I was like, you know,

660
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 4: very social, you know, stuff like that. So for me

661
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 4: to go to prison, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna

662
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 4: make this work. And at the same time, I'm in

663
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 4: a wheelchair, so I'm like, you know, I ain't trying

664
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 4: to come in here and look like no punk either.

665
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I'm like, I got one job,

666
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 4: one job only to get in and out as quick

667
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 4: as possible number one and get out unscathed, and you know,

668
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 4: so but being in there, being in there, being that

669
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 4: I worked in the mail the male and also got

670
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 4: taught how to how to work for the system. I

671
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 4: knew how to I knew how to maneuver when I

672
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 4: was on when I was an inmate R Like you know,

673
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 4: I just like it was yeah, I just knew how.

674
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 3: To maneuver, like not nothing.

675
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 4: To be like sneaky or anything, just just know how

676
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 4: to like this is like this this is like this,

677
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 4: I know how to do this. So I just did

678
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 4: what I needed to do every day, and when it

679
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 4: was lights out, it was lights.

680
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 3: Out for me. That was it?

681
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: Right?

682
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: How did the inmates and how did the CEO treat

683
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: you knowing your background?

684
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 4: The funny thing is that some of the CEOs that

685
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 4: were there were friends of mine. Were a few females

686
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 4: that were friends of mine because we were in the

687
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 4: academy together.

688
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: That is crazy.

689
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, when I was in the hospital, you know, they

690
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 4: came with me, cried with me, you know, face timed me.

691
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 4: And then when I got in there, you know, they

692
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 4: had to do their job and I.

693
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: Just act honestly.

694
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 4: I just act like I didn't know them, and I

695
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: wanted them to act like they didn't know me. When

696
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 4: I was in prison, nobody knew I was to CEO

697
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 4: other than if you knew I was a CEO because

698
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 4: you went to the academy with me. Nobody knew that.

699
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 4: I kept that quiet for that whole time. MM, because

700
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 4: I seen what people did it to see you.

701
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. So, I mean, that's the beauty

702
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: of you knowing uh, because you used to work there,

703
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: so you knew how to navigate it because that's like

704
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: a survivor attacked it.

705
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

706
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 4: But the funny thing, I always like I tell a story,

707
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, I actually I actually had to

708
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 4: become like I actually had to become them.

709
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

710
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 3: And it wasn't on purpose, like just being around them

711
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 3: my eye.

712
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 4: I became an inmate because that's how I had to

713
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 4: I had to move like the mo was gonna move

714
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 4: like a CEO being an inmate.

715
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 3: I end up moving on the inmate.

716
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 4: And then like when I came home, I was like,

717
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 4: I was honestly instant.

718
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 3: It wasn't long, but I was.

719
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

720
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, like, oh my god.

721
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 2: Yo, it's so funny you said that I was. I

722
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: used to work at this luxury store in the city

723
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: and this rapper came in right and he was okay,

724
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: trying to talk to me, but I was like counting

725
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: money or something, and this white guy, he didn't know

726
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: who this nigga was. He was standing right behind him

727
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: trying to check out. And so when I tell you that,

728
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: the rapper started like fucking bugging out, and I'm like, damn,

729
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: th thisse niggas because he's been in jail, like a

730
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: lot throughout the years, and I'm like, yo, he's really institutionalized.

731
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: So the white man, you know, he got uncomfortable, so

732
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: he went to the registered downstairs. And the black guy

733
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: was just like the rapper was like, you know, I

734
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: just don't like them people staying close to me. I

735
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: don't like it, like I need my personal states like that.

736
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: It's too much like I ain't trying to be rude.

737
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: And I was like, yo, that is a real thing.

738
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 3: It's a real thing. And I got said. I wasn't

739
00:35:59,120 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 3: in there long.

740
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 4: I did a year, but imagine the people that that

741
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 4: does more than that. I was only a year and

742
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 4: I was and I it became institutionalized when I came home,

743
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 4: like four years, No, four year sentence, four years oh okay, okay,

744
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 4: I got.

745
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 3: Out on parole in a year.

746
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 2: Okay, good, good, good, So thank god.

747
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

748
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so in what ways did you notice that you

749
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: was institutionalized When.

750
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 4: I came home and I'm like I'm out, and I'm

751
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 4: I'm like why, I'm like looking around like watching people

752
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 4: or just paranoid. Yeah, Like I'm like this is family,

753
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 4: Like why am I acting like this?

754
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 3: Like it was?

755
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 4: It was a lot of my mental was like so different,

756
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 4: and it was it was crazy because I couldn't.

757
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't even want to leave my house

758
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 3: to do anything.

759
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 4: They were throwing me a surprise party, you know, when

760
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 4: I got out of prison, and they had to pretty

761
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 4: much tell me because I was like, I don't want

762
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 4: to leave home. I just felt like when I went

763
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 4: to prison, I was snatched, like my feelings like I

764
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 4: was snatched from my home.

765
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 3: And then when.

766
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 4: I finally came back, excuse me, when I finally came

767
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 4: back home, I'm like, I don't gotta go out no more,

768
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 4: Like I want to stay right here, like in my house.

769
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 4: It was a whole it was a whole mental thing though.

770
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 4: And like my mom and you know, family, and they're like,

771
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 4: we're gonna go out for a little bit.

772
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm good, Like I stay home. I'm like, wait,

773
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: how long.

774
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 4: We're gonna be out for like a couple of hours,

775
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 4: We're gonna come home?

776
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: They like, dang, they like but they just worked with me,

777
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: and I didn't mean to do it.

778
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 4: It was just it was a lot. It came through it.

779
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 4: It was a lot I didn't you know.

780
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: You know, you also mentioned that in Women prisons, they're

781
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 2: not as accessible for people with disabilities as men, which

782
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: I found really interesting. Why do you think that is?

783
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 3: I don't think I know that's number one.

784
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, because I'm like people disabilities are like

785
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: very commonly, you know what I'm saying. I'm just surprised

786
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 2: that places like everybody should be accessible for those who

787
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: have disabilities.

788
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 3: Correct. So at this point, so.

789
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 4: When I was trying to work on getting parole, I

790
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 4: was I was trying to get these different classes to

791
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 4: work and and do so when parole came up, they

792
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 4: could see it on my papers and stuff, like, you know,

793
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 4: she's just not in here, she's doing X Y Z. Well,

794
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 4: these classes were places where I ate, like I could

795
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 4: I could walk up the steps and they and they didn't.

796
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 3: They couldn't take.

797
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 4: Me up the steps in my wheelchair because this is

798
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 4: an old prison and a.

799
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 3: Lot of things are just messed up.

800
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 4: So they're not letting another inmate do that and not

801
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 4: trying to get no lawsuits and and an officer's not

802
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 4: going to do it. So these places that they were

803
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 4: having these classes weren't accessible for for uh, someone with disability.

804
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 4: But so I had made a I had made a

805
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 4: big stink about it.

806
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 3: And I'm like, you know.

807
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 4: When paro come around, how'mna sit there and tell them

808
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 4: like I didn't get to do nothing due to the

809
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 4: fact that because I can't get to there. It's not

810
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 4: because I don't want to. I can't get to.

811
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: That physically can't get there.

812
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 3: I physically can't do it.

813
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 4: And there have been other women that came through there

814
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 4: that didn't care to, I guess want to try to

815
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 4: work hard to get out or try to get these

816
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 4: different things like Okay, I'm in the wheelchair. They said,

817
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 4: we can't get up here. I'm just not gonna go

818
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 4: not me, not me. I'm trying to do something. I'm

819
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 4: trying to be productive.

820
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 3: I'm trying to go home. Yeah yeah, fastest way, best

821
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: way possible.

822
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 4: So I had wrote the Unbossman and and the crazy

823
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 4: thing is I ended up getting I ended up getting

824
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 4: sent to go to the halfway house. The day I

825
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 4: was packing to go to the halfway house, something went

826
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 4: through that they have for disability, the disability women UH

827
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 4: to have classes in another area where you know, the

828
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 4: women that that are disabled, that are in the wheelchairs

829
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 4: will be able to go to that area to UH

830
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 4: to get the classes for for whatever we needed to class,

831
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 4: but now I was leaving, but I did something and

832
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 4: hopefully they still they still got that for the for

833
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:16,959
Speaker 4: the women that are there.

834
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can only imagine how many times you probably

835
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 2: felt hopeless a lot.

836
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, even still to today sometimes mm hmmm, just like

837
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 4: it just sometimes it hits me. That's why I say,

838
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 4: sometimes I gotta go back and look and see different

839
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 4: things that I've done to let myself know, like you

840
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 4: still hear like you're you did it, You're doing it,

841
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 4: like continue to do it, but don't stop stop being

842
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 4: so hard on yourself, like what like it's okay, Like

843
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 4: everybody keeps saying to me, a lot of people would

844
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 4: have gave up, like you didn't give up. The fact

845
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 4: this isn't that and giving up is never was never

846
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 4: an option, like when they my doctor was just like, yeah,

847
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 4: she's definitely heavily medicated. Because I kept like, I kept

848
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 4: telling him, oh yeah, like I'm going to walk again,

849
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 4: and he was like, I don't know she's gonna walk.

850
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: I'm like I'm gonna walk. They're like he's like a

851
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 3: little high. I'm like no, I'm not probably in but right.

852
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 4: Walk you see me you know, after everything was all

853
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 4: set and done and I came in there, he came

854
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 4: in that room, had his paper, was like, this is

855
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 4: the same person.

856
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: I'm like, how you doing that? He's like, yo, you

857
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 3: can't be the same person. I was like, you caught

858
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: me at a bad time. I don't look like that one.

859
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: I don't look like that on a normal basis. Like

860
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 3: it's right right. He was like wow.

861
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 4: And then he watched the progression of me me like

862
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 4: walking and the determination.

863
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was like wow. He like back and like,

864
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 3: look at my work.

865
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 4: I'm like, congratulate yourself to like this was a good teamwork,

866
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 4: Like I.

867
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: Didn't give up.

868
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 4: You didn't give up on me, because you could have

869
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 4: been gave up on me and say I'm not watching

870
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 4: this young lady's leg out no more. I'm tired of

871
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 4: washing it out. It's the fact that we're gonna cut

872
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 4: it off and be done with it. Like he never

873
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 4: felt like that.

874
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: Every time it was something he was he was so

875
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 3: into it, like this is what we're gonna do. This

876
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 3: is what we're gonna do.

877
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 4: I love my doctor, Like when I from my book

878
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 4: and when I get when I get like big on

879
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 4: stage and have my big break with my motivational speaking,

880
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 4: like he's going to be there in the crowd.

881
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 3: I need to give that man his his the love

882
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: because he did it. He did it.

883
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's amazing. I'm pretty sure your situation probably

884
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: reminded him of why he wanted to become a doctor,

885
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 2: like you reminded him of his purpose. Because everybody, that's

886
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: the fact that you're still here, and like, you know,

887
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 2: nobody wants to do a year in jail, but you

888
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: didn't have to do your four years. Like I always

889
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: tell people that there there there is beauty and brokenness,

890
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: you know like that. Yes, yeah, Now did you have

891
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: any like did you make any friends or do you

892
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: feel like anybody like looked out after you as far

893
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 2: as like the inmates when I was in there, Yeah, yeah,

894
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: I did.

895
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 4: I actually have a couple of people that I actually

896
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 4: still talked to me jo and everything. I got to

897
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 4: two of my bunkies actually we jpe and then one

898
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 4: of my bunkies and we actually take Yeah everybody.

899
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: You know, everybody know you know, you know, right.

900
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 4: But yeah, and one of the one of the females

901
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 4: when I was there, she just was like from from

902
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,959
Speaker 4: from the beginning, she was like just a great help

903
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 4: and we just met because I'm in my wheelchair. They

904
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 4: used to call me hot Wheels because I used to

905
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 4: like just on around and there just like just you know,

906
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 4: and they like hot will. And then that's when me

907
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 4: and her ended up like just getting cool. And then

908
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 4: she would like squok in a microwave for me and

909
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 4: stuff and just like and then we just end up

910
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 4: getting closer because at one point I was by myself,

911
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 4: like I did want to talk to nobody.

912
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 3: I didn't know nobody and stuff.

913
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: You know, you're just trying to make it. Yeah, come

914
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: back home, right right.

915
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 4: And then when I started getting a little comfortable and

916
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 4: like started opening up, and then you know, and then

917
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 4: we end up becoming like really cool. And when it

918
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 4: was time for me to leave, they helped me to

919
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 4: go to the Headway house. They helped me pack off

920
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 4: and everything. Yeah, they didn't know I was a CEO.

921
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 4: Like she never knew I was a CEO, but now

922
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 4: yeah she knows now. She was like what did She

923
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 4: was like, right, she.

924
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: Was like, you said you worked for the state.

925
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 2: I said I did, Yeah, you just never you didn't

926
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 2: ask the right follow up of course, like.

927
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 4: You know, I said work for the state. She's like,

928
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 4: and you told me you were a teacher. I was right,

929
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 4: just different things. I just kept out of the story,

930
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 4: you know.

931
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: But were you surprised by the friendships there? Because you

932
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: know what, people always have these ideas of how prison is,

933
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: how people in prison are. So the am that surprised you.

934
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: Of me making friends or whatever?

935
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: Just mean like genuine people that like the fact that

936
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: you even still keep in contact with these people?

937
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 4: You know, right, No, because whether there or whatever, I

938
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 4: give people a benefit of out. I know, when you're

939
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 4: in there, you are on survival mode. So I know

940
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 4: people might have like a vendetta or whatever. So you know,

941
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 4: I'm on my one two two to watch myself. But

942
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 4: when you find genuine, you find genuine. And then when

943
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 4: I didn't really feel like these certain people might have

944
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 4: been on a different one too, I just thisance myself.

945
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm gonna be here long, Like you know,

946
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 4: it might be different when it was a couple of times,

947
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 4: like different women wanted to try to get bucking, try

948
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 4: to argue with me and all that, try to make

949
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 4: a whole big thing. I'm not arguing with you, because

950
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 4: well they know how much time because you never tell

951
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 4: somebody how much time you got because they try to

952
00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 4: take your time up.

953
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: I'm like that's a fact.

954
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

955
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 4: So I'm like, I don't got time to argue with

956
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 4: you and get into some fight or some trouble.

957
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 3: And now I'm gonna really be in here for four

958
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: years over now, because you're in here for thirty Like

959
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 3: you don't care.

960
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 2: That's crazy, Like you.

961
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 4: Don't care, like you know, so like I just never

962
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 4: tried to get into like that little caddy stuff that's going.

963
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, you know what, girl, God bless you

964
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: got it.

965
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: Yeah that's what.

966
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 4: And they was like, yeah, well, Danita, you you you

967
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 4: wasn't even trying to do this, so you was probably lying.

968
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 3: You're right, that's what you think, you right.

969
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: Like right, we're both here trying to be here all day,

970
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: so it don't matter what we think, right, Like you

971
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: got in mind right, Like.

972
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 3: I don't care what y'all think. You're not you're not

973
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 3: doing all that to me, make me out of my comfort.

974
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: I don't even know you trick your spot.

975
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know you that long, Like I don't

976
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: care that.

977
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: Much, you know, I can only imagine how many times.

978
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 2: You probably thought about the scenario over and over again.

979
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,959
Speaker 2: So how did you cope with accidentally taking somebody life

980
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: mentally and emotionally a lot? Because I know that I

981
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,959
Speaker 2: know they had to really weigh down on you a.

982
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 4: Lot of prayer, a lot of prayer, and then thinking

983
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 4: about how I've seen the family act towards me, so

984
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 4: I know they felt the type of way which also

985
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 4: weighed on my mental So I just knew I wanted

986
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 4: like to forgive myself and just pray and just hoping

987
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 4: that they would forgive me too, and just kind of

988
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 4: just move and like navigate in life, in my and

989
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 4: my feelings and just I just when I went to

990
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 4: when I went to prison, I was clean, be king

991
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 4: orry closer to God.

992
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was.

993
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 4: I mean, we're already a family. That's that's you know, Christ,

994
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 4: like anybody perfect. I ain't saying we like holdier than down.

995
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 2: Right, but but you had a relationship with Him.

996
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I end up like I knew what God

997
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 4: can do. He gave my mam a heart transplanting and

998
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 4: my mama kidney.

999
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 3: Uh.

1000
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 4: God just been good to our to our family, and

1001
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 4: I just seen what He did for them so but

1002
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 4: I had to trust God for myself, like for him

1003
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 4: for what he could do for me.

1004
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 3: And when I just seen just how he just covered

1005
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 3: the doctors and and and let.

1006
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 4: Them have a good intelligence what they needed to do

1007
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 4: with my legs. And even though I went to prison,

1008
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 4: like you know, nothing never happened to him and him

1009
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 4: just keeping me covered, like I did go through a

1010
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 4: lot of these things, but a lot of things didn't

1011
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 4: happen to me too, and this is yeah, it could

1012
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 4: have been this, it could have been that. So I

1013
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 4: end up trusting God for me and not for what

1014
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 4: I seen him do for others. And then my whole,

1015
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 4: my whole mentality change and I'm just like, you know what,

1016
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 4: all right? Because I was mad. I was mad at

1017
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 4: I was like, I didn't prayed, I didn't do this,

1018
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 4: I didn't do that. I am fast, I'm hungry, and

1019
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 4: I'm went in prison like I was mad, crying and

1020
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 4: my mom was just like, you know, go ahead and cry.

1021
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 4: I'm in prison crying on the phone. Should I go

1022
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 4: ahead and cry? God be here when you're ready.

1023
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1024
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't even mention his name. And then

1025
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 4: it just clicked and I was like Okay, I'm better now.

1026
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:14,959
Speaker 4: She said, Okay, you're better.

1027
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, are you at peace?

1028
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 5: Though?

1029
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: Yes? Well what the situation?

1030
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, just what everything you've been through with the situation

1031
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 2: with the person losing his life? Like, yes, what did

1032
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 2: that look like for you.

1033
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 3: That happened?

1034
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: When did you know you was at peace?

1035
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 4: When I was in prison and I let and I

1036
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 4: let everything go, and I was just like, you know what,

1037
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 4: because I because I because that family, just knowing that

1038
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 4: they had that control over me of whether I'm going

1039
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 4: to go to prison or not and all that like

1040
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 4: that was a that was like a rough feeling, like

1041
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 4: just knowing that somebody could have that control over you

1042
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 4: because they didn't like they didn't like me, you know,

1043
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 4: because of the situation. But after everything had happened, I

1044
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 4: just pretty much was just like you know, God, I'm gonna.

1045
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 3: Just leave it in your hands.

1046
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 4: Your will is your way, and anything that happens from

1047
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 4: here on out, like I'm just trusting you. It's just

1048
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 4: it's just all but you. And then I just just

1049
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 4: do everything. I just threw everything out, like just do

1050
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 4: everything out. It was just like I'm fine, Like you know,

1051
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 4: I took accountability. I'm doing the time, like you know,

1052
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 4: I don't want no trouble, like everything is good and

1053
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 4: I just let it go.

1054
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 3: I just let it go. And it was just like

1055
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 3: all right, I could.

1056
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 4: Wake up and be like, you know, because I know

1057
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 4: I didn't do it on purpose, there was no purpose.

1058
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 4: And then on top of that being facts, there was

1059
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 4: no drugs and alcohol, So.

1060
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: I don't have that. I don't have that like hanging.

1061
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 4: Over me, like, oh, I wish I didn't do this.

1062
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 4: I wish I didn't do that. No, like it wasn't.

1063
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: Have you ever been in an accident before.

1064
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 3: Yes, I was in an accident.

1065
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 4: In two thousand and four my car hydro plane and

1066
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 4: flicked okay and landed. But the only thing that came

1067
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 4: out of that was me having a broken ankle.

1068
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 3: That was like crazy because.

1069
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: The reason why I asked it because I'm just thinking

1070
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: like if they would have did their due diligence, they

1071
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: would have seen that you really didn't have a record,

1072
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: like of course because of the weather were going all hydroplane.

1073
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 2: But like the fact that you were treated this man

1074
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: you had to you know, obviously use being accountable, but

1075
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 2: it was also like damn, like it was truly an accident.

1076
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, if they would have pulled, they would have pulled, uh,

1077
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 4: you know, just different things.

1078
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 3: They would have seemed like I'm.

1079
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 4: Not I'm not in I'm not record right right, I said,

1080
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 4: I ain't on paper for nothing.

1081
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 5: Mmm.

1082
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 2: So since gaining your freedom, because you were free on

1083
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: the same day four years later that you were arrested,

1084
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 2: what was the most difficult part about adjusting to life

1085
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: after prison?

1086
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 3: Good question. I don't.

1087
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 4: I don't other than being institutionalized. Like I said, I

1088
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 4: don't think it was really hard to adjust. I didn't,

1089
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 4: but I did have a lot of trust issues even

1090
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 4: with people, like you know, just not knowing or not

1091
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 4: sure my trust. My trust did change and how I

1092
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 4: looked at people. But just to adjust back to to

1093
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 4: life again, it kind of came pretty pretty easy because

1094
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,479
Speaker 4: like my family, they tried to like put me back

1095
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 4: into into life. Likes soon as I came out, like

1096
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 4: I think Telfair was out and all that, so they got.

1097
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 2: Me like I'm like, what's this.

1098
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 3: My sister's like this is out right now, and I'm like,

1099
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 3: who is it? There's like right, I'm like I don't know,

1100
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 3: you know.

1101
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 4: Then hearing these news, well they were new to me

1102
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 4: and listening to the songs.

1103
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, this song is hot.

1104
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 4: They like, this is old. I'm like, it's new to me.

1105
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 4: Stopped doing I stop doing that, y'all gotta get me

1106
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 4: some grace here, like you know. But the family, they

1107
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 4: they was, they was like by my side and helped

1108
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 4: me to get back and as fast as I could

1109
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 4: or easy as I could to try to make make

1110
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 4: it like everything was still normal. They didn't try to

1111
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 4: make me uncomfortable or anything that You're trying to make

1112
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 4: me feel as normal as possible to get back.

1113
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think also, you know, with you also

1114
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 2: having issues with trusting people, but I would say that

1115
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 2: you would probably didn't trust being in cars anymore. That's

1116
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: what con Yeah, because I would be nervous as hell getting.

1117
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 3: That's so much time.

1118
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 4: And the crazy thing is when they when I had

1119
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 4: first went from the hospital to the rehabilitation center in Philly,

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00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 4: they had me in the back of the ambulance and

1121
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 4: I was just like, I can't, like, I can't, I can't,

1122
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 4: I can't, Like I was just nervous just being in

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00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 4: in that That was the first time the fart since

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Speaker 4: the accident.

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Speaker 3: And then when I finally went home.

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00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 4: My dad comes picked me up from Philly and he's

1127
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 4: probably driving like speed, living on the highway. Like I'm

1128
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 4: just so nervous. I'm like, okay, okay, okay, okay, Like

1129
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 4: but as time went on, time went on, and but

1130
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 4: bind you, this is years though of time going on.

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00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 3: Then it makes then it then it got easier.

1132
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 4: But even still to this day, if I'm driving and

1133
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 4: there's another car just like coming to me in that

1134
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 4: type of like laying the way it was, it makes

1135
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 4: me nervous, like I'll slowing down. I'm trying to see

1136
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 4: what are they about to do so I can figure

1137
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 4: out what I'm going to do. I just hope you're

1138
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 4: just going to keep going straight because like you know,

1139
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 4: but yeah, I'm still nervous to this day, like I can't.

1140
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 4: I hate I hate that type of streak where where

1141
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 4: it looks like somebody's coming to me that doesn't I

1142
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 4: don't like that.

1143
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: I mean it's triggering, like I only imagine how you

1144
00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 2: like tense up. Yes, yeah I do. Did you first

1145
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: realized that walking again might be possible?

1146
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Speaker 5: Hmm?

1147
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 3: Good question.

1148
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 4: When I when I could take when I could take

1149
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 4: a few steps with my walker but it was like hard.

1150
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 3: Few steps, but a few steps with my walker.

1151
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 4: When I was able to do my when I was

1152
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 4: able to stand for the first time, like doing.

1153
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 3: You know, like a get up and stand or whatever.

1154
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 3: When I was able to.

1155
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 4: Do that, I'm like, oh, we getting somewhere. Like we're

1156
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 4: getting somewhere. But it took time and all that to

1157
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 4: even get there. Like at one point I couldn't even

1158
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 4: wook on my toes, like that's how it started out.

1159
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 4: I had to start out exercise trying to woogie your

1160
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 4: toes and I do that for a long time. So

1161
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 4: this process was years years years like me now and

1162
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Speaker 4: I'm probably walking good now for like two years and.

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00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 3: This is eight years.

1164
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 2: Wow. And are you able to drive? Yeah, that's amazing.

1165
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 4: But they took time to get behind the wheel though

1166
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't want to, but I didn't want to.

1167
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, yeah, I'm good. I don't got

1168
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 4: to drive U lest other people drive me around.

1169
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 3: But then I'm like, I was you gotta pick me up?

1170
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, I ain't driving me up.

1171
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 3: Telling you.

1172
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 4: I was like, then I like my independence though, yeah,

1173
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 4: confident and started getting that that confidence back. I was like, yeah,

1174
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to have nobody keep I don't want

1175
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 4: nobody know where I'm going, what I'm doing, Let me learn,

1176
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 4: let me get back behind this wheel again.

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00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 3: I'm good.

1178
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Did you lose any friends or family members over this?

1179
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 4: No?

1180
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 3: Everybody.

1181
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 2: I feel like everybody was prett supportive.

1182
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 4: Everybody was of support. Nobody nobody did anything and they're

1183
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 4: still a support. Yeah, there's still a support.

1184
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 2: M So, how has this experience has changed the way

1185
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 2: you view life and second chances?

1186
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 3: It really shows how life can change for.

1187
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 4: You, Like at the blank vana facts like you you

1188
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 4: know that, but you when you're in it, then you

1189
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 4: really realize like, oh my god, like I was just

1190
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 4: walking and just doing this and that this day, and

1191
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 4: now the next day I'm disabled, can't work and learning

1192
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 4: how to walk and went to prison, like all that

1193
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 4: just happened just like that for me, you know, So

1194
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 4: it it changed my men, It just lets you know

1195
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 4: how things can happen in your life and when you

1196
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 4: least expected. But even with that happening, you know, I

1197
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 4: think everybody deserves a checking second chance, depending on what

1198
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 4: the different things are, you know, because mistakes happen. Nobody's perfect,

1199
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 4: but it's like with how you act and what you

1200
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 4: do with those like mistakes, like are you are you

1201
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 4: cocky with the mistake and like, well yeah I did this,

1202
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 4: I don't care.

1203
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 3: Well if this happened, then it's just like you know what,

1204
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 3: who cares?

1205
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: Like don't force Gud's hand out.

1206
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, you know.

1207
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 4: But when you like humble and you know, like different

1208
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 4: things like I think that like people deserve second chances

1209
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 4: and and you can overcome anything. And that sounds so cliche,

1210
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 4: and I would have said I wouldn't have said that

1211
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 4: prior to this situation because I'm like, oh, that's cliche,

1212
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 4: Like you said say that because you succeeded on something.

1213
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 3: But then when you go through something and then you succeeded,

1214
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 3: you be.

1215
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: Like yoich be hidden different right.

1216
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 3: Like you can really overcome like you can.

1217
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: But do you feel like this this situation gave you

1218
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 2: a deeper understanding of your life's purpose?

1219
00:58:58,720 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 3: Yes?

1220
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I always wanted to do not like podcasts,

1221
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 4: for say, but like I always want wanted to be

1222
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 4: in that like communications, because that's what I first went

1223
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 4: to college for, is like communications, So like the journalisms

1224
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 4: and the interviews.

1225
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 3: I always actually like wanted to do radio and stuff.

1226
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: So look at guy using you to share your story

1227
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 2: on other people.

1228
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 4: Right, you know, it's like wow, Like prior to this accident,

1229
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 4: I didn't have a story to be able to do

1230
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 4: this with for this, for this to happen.

1231
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 2: But now the story you just that you had to

1232
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: just rediscover it in a different way. Okay, Okay, we

1233
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 2: all got a story.

1234
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 4: Yeah we are everybody. You're right, everybody has everybody has

1235
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 4: a story. But yeah, but this story is is a

1236
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 4: lot better than I guess.

1237
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: I mean it definitely.

1238
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, because I appreciate that.

1239
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 2: And last, but not least, what message would you share

1240
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 2: with someone struggling to forgive themselves for a tragic mistake,

1241
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 2: Because this is what I broke a lot of people.

1242
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 4: Take your time, give yourself grace. You're not perfect, nobody's perfect.

1243
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 3: You're a human.

1244
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 5: You know.

1245
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 4: Just continue to pray or you know, if that's what,

1246
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 4: if that's what they do, continue to pray and take

1247
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 4: one day at a time, and if one day is

1248
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 4: too long, do one hour. If one hour is too long,

1249
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 4: to do one minute, one minute is too long, to

1250
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 4: one second, however you gotta do it.

1251
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 3: Just take your time.

1252
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was amazing. I'm so happy we were able

1253
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 2: to do this like this. I'm almost done with my

1254
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: season two and this was like, this was fire. So

1255
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 2: I really appreciate you for allowing me to be a

1256
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 2: part of your story.

1257
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 3: I appreciate you too. You fly, you fly. It was fun.

1258
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, you was Funah Okay. I was so nervous because

1259
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, I didn't get the link.

1260
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, you're probably gonna think I'm playing. I was like,

1261
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 4: I ain't playing. I was like, I can't find it.

1262
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 2: So she's talking about so when I reach out to people,

1263
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 2: there's a system that I used to send like automatic alerts,

1264
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 2: notifications remind us all that good stuff. And she wasn't

1265
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 2: receiving anything. So I go to the program y'all and

1266
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,919
Speaker 2: the ship was turned off. Remind you, I don't turn

1267
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 2: nothing off. So I'm like, yo, this has been like

1268
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 2: the longest week. So then I sent her the link

1269
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 2: to record via zoom and I sent it to her twice.

1270
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 2: If she didn't receive it, I was like, yo, I

1271
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: can't wait for Friday to come.

1272
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 3: You knew something?

1273
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it was crazy, but I'm really excited

1274
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 2: that we were able to do this because I always

1275
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: tell people you never know how your storyline could be

1276
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 2: someone else's lifeline. So I really appreciate this and I

1277
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 2: just can't wait to see what everybody have to say.

1278
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank.

1279
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 2: You, yes of course, and to the listeners, if you

1280
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 2: have any questions, comments, or concerns, please make sure to

1281
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 2: email me at hello at the pasgepodcast dot com. And

1282
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 2: until next time, everyone, later later, okay, have a good

1283
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 2: day on purpose. Okay. The Professional Homegirl Podcast is a

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