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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live

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Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot Com, joined by Paul Detino.

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Speaker 1: We still really don't know what the Giants are going

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Speaker 1: to do, which is the fun and exciting part of it.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to spend today's show kind of guessing

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Speaker 1: what teams will do around the Giants. That'll be tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We have our mock draft. Paul Lance and I will

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Speaker 1: come here and we're gonna try to predict it all

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Speaker 1: the teams are gonna do, and then therefore figure out

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Speaker 1: what the Giants are gonna do when they come up

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Speaker 1: and pick. So, Paul, before we get to your calls,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna do all calls today, folks, no guests,

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Speaker 1: So get on the line at two one, four, five

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Speaker 1: many people as I can. Get on the line, predictions, opinions,

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Speaker 1: will debate. Whatever you wanna do, we'll do it. So

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Speaker 1: right now on Giants dot Com. Just a couple of

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Speaker 1: thoughts that I've had Paul the last couple of days.

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Speaker 1: We had a weekend to kind of think about things

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Speaker 1: and where we are, and this is kind of where

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Speaker 1: I sit right now with this draft of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: It's real easy if three of the if any of

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Speaker 1: the three top defensive players dropped the number six, that's

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Speaker 1: an easy decision. I'm now at the point where I

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Speaker 1: ed Oliver is there at six, I would select him.

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Speaker 1: But if he is also off the board, which I

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Speaker 1: think is is a possibility, I think that's where you

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Speaker 1: get tricky, and you're looking at you know, the Devin White,

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Speaker 1: Rashaun Gary's, the Juwan Taylor's, and I think that's where

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Speaker 1: things tend to get interesting, when you figure out exactly

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Speaker 1: what the Giants might do with number six. Yeah, John

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Speaker 1: the Manches sweat thing. Um, it's really thrown a wrench

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Speaker 1: into my prediction for the giants because and it's a

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Speaker 1: medical thing, so we we just don't know. And that's

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Speaker 1: why it's so difficult, because unless you are part of

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Speaker 1: the medical teams that evaluated him at the combine, and

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Speaker 1: you know the details of exactly what the heart ailment is,

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Speaker 1: and you know exactly what the risks are, it makes

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Speaker 1: it impossible for you to make a rational judgment. You

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Speaker 1: just can't do it now. As a player on tape,

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Speaker 1: I got no problem saying giants take him at six

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Speaker 1: if Josh Allen's off the board. Don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 1: I said, if all would you take Sweat over at Alver?

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Speaker 1: I would not. With the medical situation as it is,

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Speaker 1: I probably would not either. What if he didn't have

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Speaker 1: a medical situation. If he did not have a medical situation,

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Speaker 1: I think Oliver is the better player. The question is

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Speaker 1: does Need push him over for you? Well, again, if

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Speaker 1: it's razor razor thin, need does become part of the equation,

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Speaker 1: how razor thin is it for you? It's um But

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Speaker 1: the reality is that at the moment, Monte Sweat is

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Speaker 1: a medical question mark and it would get me great

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Speaker 1: good medical risk to take him at number six. I

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Speaker 1: just I can't do that unless you know. Dr Warren

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Speaker 1: and Ronny Barnes and all the other folks here who

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Speaker 1: work on the Giants medical staff came in here and said, Dtino,

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Speaker 1: it's okay, sweats, fine, we give him a pill. He's good,

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Speaker 1: no problem, no risk. Well that's a different story. But

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Speaker 1: no one's gonna do that. So I'm probably gonna lean

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Speaker 1: this clear to you before, I would rather have Clellan Ferrell,

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Speaker 1: God bless because if they get him at seventeen, it's

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Speaker 1: the biggest steel of the draft. And let me say

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Speaker 1: one thing about this decision at six. And we just

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Speaker 1: recorded a mock trail a draft with David Deal which

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Speaker 1: Dave in that mock draft ended up picking Devin White

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Speaker 1: No pass rushers were left. Ferrell gone, Burns gone, Sweat gone,

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Speaker 1: me the way I look at the pass rushers, once

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Speaker 1: and immediately say he's probably good for ten sacks. That

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Speaker 1: which is why if there were no medical questions and

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Speaker 1: I'm probably picking Sweat. Okay. You know again, I've been

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Speaker 1: talked out of Cleland Ferrell at six because so many

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Speaker 1: people seem to believe he's going. If you believe in

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Speaker 1: Farrell picked Farrell. A lot of people try to convince

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Speaker 1: me not to pig Brian Burns at six. If I

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Speaker 1: had to pick beteen. Those guys I picked Burns, So

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Speaker 1: That's okay. I'm telling you, if I had to pick,

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Speaker 1: I would take Ferrell. My my thinking is if the

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Speaker 1: Giants got full medical clearance on sweat, they probably are

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Speaker 1: better off taking sweat. My top four defensive players are

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Speaker 1: Brian Burns. That's how I have it online. And you

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Speaker 1: like him, and that's great. So that's okay. Now let's

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Speaker 1: talk about seventeen very quickly, and then we'll get to

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Speaker 1: your calls. At two, five, one three, we got a

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Speaker 1: full bank and calls will start knocking him out right away. Alright, seventeen.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna talk players, I don't think, but there

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Speaker 1: will be a very good player left at seventeen. And

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Speaker 1: I've listed Paul for me. I listed five, ten, I

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Speaker 1: seventeen guys that I'd be more than happy to have

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Speaker 1: the Giants be able to pick at seventeen. All right,

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Speaker 1: so I'm feeling real good at that spot. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: want me to add anybody. Okay, I have gone through

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Speaker 1: this exercise. I will not do it till tomorrow. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so let's do it real quick. Go ahead. Bosa Williams,

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Speaker 1: Allen Oliver, Murray, Haskins, Sweat Burns, Taylor, Devin White. That's ten,

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Speaker 1: T J. Hockenson, Andre Dillard. That's seventeen players. And I'd

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Speaker 1: wrenching that. Ok So those are three guys on your

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Speaker 1: pass rusher at six and Gary sitting there at seventeen,

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't take him if he was healthy. I have

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Speaker 1: me too, I don't. I don't. That's why I would

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Speaker 1: you have to make that a consideration. If you do

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Speaker 1: the guy I would at least want to have is Gary.

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Speaker 1: Just just to be George used to tell us all

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Speaker 1: a level of of conviction, level of demand anybody in

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Speaker 1: you won a super Bowl. Okay, seventeen is middle of

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Speaker 1: don't have that about Gary. Would you add Garrett Bradberry

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Speaker 1: thinking Wilkins or Lawrence would be two guys I would replace.

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Speaker 1: I would take out Haskins, I would take out Murray.

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Speaker 1: take Bradbury to replace replaced. I think that's fair. And

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Speaker 1: Matt and Rockville Center. Matt, what's going on him? In

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Speaker 1: good afternoon? How are you? First things first, excellent coverage

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Speaker 1: throughout this draft process. Once again, really appreciate the job

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Speaker 1: for It's unbelievable. Yeah, but keep in mind, man, I

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Speaker 1: that scenario, we have cases of headache. Gas pronounced exactly.

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Speaker 1: So here's my predictions, guys. I've got the top slots

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Speaker 1: going ahead of us, Murray Bosa, Oliver Williams, White, Alan

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Speaker 1: the Giants lately, when there's been smoked, there's been fire somehow.

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Speaker 1: We're coming out of this draft with Daniel Jones. I

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Speaker 1: team of the Likecric quarter That's a great question, uh,

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Speaker 1: I have a sleeper quarterback in this draft. It's Gerard Stidham,

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Speaker 1: rather do. You would pick him over Daniel Jones. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: there are there are people out there that really like Stidham.

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Speaker 1: coach Marvin and Delaware, what's up coach John and Paul

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Speaker 1: going on, Hey, Uh, just sitting here listening and uh

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Speaker 1: with me. I'm fine with that. So I would rather

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Speaker 1: move down from six, and you'll get more value moving

426
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Speaker 1: down from six, and you went from seventeen as well.

427
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Speaker 1: And you're right if you're not picking a quarterback, I'm

428
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: all for stacking draft assets next year, when again, you

429
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: have to think about whether or not you're gonna draft

430
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 1: a quarterback. See, this is why coming to this show's

431
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 1: like going to the fruit market. If you want apples,

432
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: you can get apples. You want to orange, you to

433
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 1: get orange. And Paul thinks we we you know, we

434
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: don't have to agree. Uh. And there are clearly many

435
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 1: different ways you can go. And that's the thing here.

436
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: It's like a road map. There are a lot of

437
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Speaker 1: highways you can take to get the grandma's house. Uh.

438
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: In my feeling, there's no way I'm touching the number six.

439
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm getting the premier defensive stud there. Yeah, but you

440
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: just listed five or six guys you'd be okay with

441
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: there and that you're considering, So why not move down

442
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 1: and still get that guy? Anyway? Because I don't have

443
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,239
Speaker 1: all the information on all those guys, and there may

444
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: be something there that differentiates them. I'm telling you what

445
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 1: what you know that's part of the problem for me

446
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 1: at seventeen, I'd be happy I've already figured it out.

447
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: If I moved down five spots, I can milk somebody

448
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: these third round or from the middle of the third round. Now,

449
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 1: why do I want to do that? I want to

450
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: do that because Dave Gentleman's already said it's the best

451
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: first four rounds of a draft he's ever seen in

452
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: his career. So he says the first four rounds are

453
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: extremely fertile with talent. Well, if I can get myself

454
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Speaker 1: an additional third round pick, and one that's gonna be

455
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: in the middle of that round, that's gonna be a

456
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Speaker 1: pretty dawn good player. In fact, probably someone who's gonna

457
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: challenge for a starting job. So if I had to

458
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Speaker 1: move from seventeen to twenty three and I could get

459
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Speaker 1: one in the middle of the third as a bonus, yeah,

460
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Speaker 1: I'm willing to do that. Trust me. I would love

461
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Speaker 1: to get another pick between fifty and eighty or at

462
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Speaker 1: sixty and ninety. I'll take another pick in there too.

463
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Speaker 1: I think you're getting great value in this draft, as

464
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Speaker 1: Paul just said, in the middle and latter half of

465
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Speaker 1: Day two. I think you're getting some really good players

466
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Speaker 1: in there. And it's a long way between pick thirty

467
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Speaker 1: seven and nine, and I think the Giants will do

468
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Speaker 1: everything they can to get another pick in that range.

469
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Speaker 1: I would just be very hesitant to move down from

470
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Speaker 1: seventeen because I do think that's right where you have

471
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Speaker 1: a bit of a drop off in terms of talent

472
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Speaker 1: in this draft. Dave Geelman said it's gonna be hard

473
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Speaker 1: for him to watch fifty eight picks come off the

474
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Speaker 1: board between the second and third rounds. You think it's

475
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: gonna be hard for him, John, I'm gonna be at

476
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Speaker 1: the Stadium club during the MSG show bouncing off the ceiling.

477
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be impossible to watch fifty eight

478
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: guys come off the board. You're gonna be sitting here

479
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: with me doing Big Bull Kick Off Live. Oh, that's right,

480
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: because that's gonna be I was gonna say, I hope

481
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Speaker 1: you're doing the show that's gonna be on Friday. Yes, correct,

482
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Speaker 1: let's see. I'm not good. It's look, here's why. The

483
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: three days it's like a one day marathon for me.

484
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: I don't sleep. It's it's seventy two hours of just

485
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: stay awake, baby and go for it. Anyway. But yeah,

486
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Speaker 1: all right, I'll be bouncing off the ceilings here. It's

487
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: gonna be a a lot of players. It's not gonna be

488
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be happy to one. He's gotta get pick.

489
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Speaker 1: He's gotta get a pick in that in that vacant canyon.

490
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Speaker 1: It's gonna line one, Matt, Jeff and Long Islands up next, Jeff. Hey, Hi, guys,

491
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: just picking up where you guys just left off regarding

492
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Speaker 1: you know, the sweet spot so to speak, you know,

493
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Speaker 1: those between the second and the fourth round yesterday. Uh, Paul,

494
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Speaker 1: you're mentioning Jimmy Johnson's uh you value rating system, you know,

495
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Speaker 1: plying the points. But because of this sweet spot? How

496
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Speaker 1: in how Dave Gentleman describes it, you know, as something

497
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Speaker 1: that he's never seen as a general manager, and I'm

498
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Speaker 1: sure that is going out on throughout the league. Um

499
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Speaker 1: does does that point system get skewed because of the

500
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Speaker 1: fact that it seems that we're going to be seeing

501
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Speaker 1: a lot of good players coming off in the second,

502
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Speaker 1: third round And doesn't that going to affect the way

503
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Speaker 1: trades are going to be taking place? And in fact,

504
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Speaker 1: wouldn't it be better to trade from a higher position

505
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Speaker 1: down versus a lower position up. I'm just curious. I

506
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Speaker 1: don't know obvious, but well there's a there's an even

507
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: bigger answer. You make a good point. I don't disagree

508
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: with your logic, but there's an even bigger answer here,

509
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: and that is, over the last several years, because the

510
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: economy of the NFL has changed with the Sary Caps,

511
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: and because of how the rookie deals have now been structured,

512
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Speaker 1: the Jimmy Johnson value chart has been warped some teams

513
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Speaker 1: in the league. And I can't tell you how many

514
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: still believe in the Jimmy Johnson value chart. Everyone tweets

515
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: it a little bit. There are, yeah, there are other

516
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Speaker 1: teams in the league that go by a completely different chart.

517
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Speaker 1: In fact, if you go online and what a Google

518
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Speaker 1: NFL trade value chart, you can probably find another five

519
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: or six charts that are entirely different than the Jimmy

520
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: Johnson chart because there are mathematicians, analytics people and mathematical

521
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: engineers who have then taken contracts into play and come

522
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Speaker 1: up with their own computations and made entirely different charts.

523
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Speaker 1: I up to the analytics people here at the Giants.

524
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: I've done this in each of the last two years,

525
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: and I said, okay, help me out here, am I am?

526
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: I best to just throw the Jimmy Johnson chart away

527
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: because now the league is so far beyond that, and

528
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: most teams and they and they said, well, here's the thing.

529
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: Half the teams are still using it. The other teams

530
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: are using a variety of different charts. So there's really

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Speaker 1: no right answer. And the problem is, let's say your

532
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: team has one chart and the team you try to

533
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: deal with has a different chart. How do you match

534
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: it up? Because we think, we think there's value and

535
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: this is a fair trade, but your chart says that's

536
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: not a fair trade because that's got another trade that's

537
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: better value. So then what do you do. It's a problem.

538
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: There's no universal chart anymore. That Jimmy Johnson chart has

539
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: has since become outdated. So for lack of an answer,

540
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: the guy said to me, hold on to the Jimmy

541
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Speaker 1: Johnson chart and use it for the purposes of discussion,

542
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: but understand it may not be realistic. And Jeff, I

543
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: want to throw one other things out there too, talking

544
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: to people that you know study the draft and have

545
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: talked to people around the league. And Jill Brand said

546
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: this the other day too, that teams are gonna have

547
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: a player ranked thirty five on their board, another team

548
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: conna have that same player rant and you're gonna have

549
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: a because it's such a deep class. In day two,

550
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna have guys twenty to thirty spots away from

551
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: each other on people's boards. So I think you'll get

552
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: a lot of movement on day two with teams trying

553
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: to target those guys that maybe they value more than

554
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: other teams because of how they have their board set up.

555
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think you're gonna have

556
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: very few trades on day one. I think, for the

557
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: first time in a long time, you're not gonna have

558
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: a trade in the top ten of this year's draft.

559
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: I don't think you will. I'm almost sure you're not

560
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: gonna have one in the top five, and I think

561
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: that's gonna be something different. But I think day two,

562
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: when Paul and I are kind of gonna try to

563
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: track all these picks while alive on the air, it's

564
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a nightmare because team is gonna be moving

565
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: all over the place. Now here's the good news. If

566
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Speaker 1: if you believe that there's a sweet spot in the

567
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: fourth round still and maybe even though you've got a

568
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: bunch of guys in the fifth that you like, which

569
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: is possible, right, I think I think we're stretching to

570
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: the stretching it. We're stretching it, but it's borderline. Okay,

571
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: here's the thing. If you go to a team that

572
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: Dave's got twelve picks, okay, he's got three in the

573
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: fifth round and two and four. You go to a

574
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Speaker 1: team that, let's say has only eight picks or seven picks,

575
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: the Seahawks only a five I think, right, bingo. Now

576
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: you go to them and you say, hey, Pete, Pete Carroll, Hello, Yeah, um,

577
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: guess what, pal, I can get you three picks. I

578
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: can get you a fourth, and I can maybe even

579
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: get you one of the fifth and um, you know what,

580
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: how would you like to give me? Uh, your I

581
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: don't know whatever it is. You're your number two and

582
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: I'll give you are three or four and or five

583
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. The point is you can pa

584
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: get some bulk to a team that does not have

585
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: a lot of picks in this draft and say I

586
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: might be able to give you something in the middle

587
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: that you're like selling quantity for quality is always a

588
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: very tough sell, but in this draft you might be

589
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: able to do it. Jeff, what else you got? But well,

590
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, so, teams look at the

591
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: sweet spot more or less the same. I mean, I'm

592
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: not talking about it if a player has ranked thirty

593
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Speaker 1: six versus fifty eight or sixty. I'm talking about that

594
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: general second, third, maybe fourth round. That if somebody like

595
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: the Giants have five round picks in the fifth round

596
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: or late fourth round or whatever the case, those are

597
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: going to be competitive. I mean, he can use that

598
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: to trade up because he's now out of the sweet spot,

599
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: so to speak. Well, here teams are going to be

600
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: looking to trade with him. But even with those picks. Well, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff,

601
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Speaker 1: here's the thing, and I appreciate the call. Teams will

602
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: trade up to target a player they see a player

603
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Speaker 1: that's I'm a board like. For example, let's say you

604
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: have a team, I'll get the draft picks right here.

605
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: I have the full draft here. We'll take a look

606
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: at it. Let's say you have that's not it there,

607
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: it is wrong sheet. There we go. Let's say in

608
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: round number two, the Cleveland Browns are staying there a pick.

609
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: That's a bad example. They only have a couple of picks.

610
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: Let's say the Pittsburgh Steels are staying there to pick

611
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,239
Speaker 1: fifty two and they see it pick forty one. The

612
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos are on the board and the Steel is

613
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: still a player with the first round grade on their board,

614
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: and they're like, I need to go get that guy.

615
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: And they'll say, you know what, if I'm getting a

616
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: guy with the first round value, it's worth of me

617
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: to trade my two and the three and maybe a five,

618
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: and that's when they're going to trade up. And I

619
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: do think teams will value later picks differently based on

620
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: what they think the depth of the classes. The generic

621
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: opinion is that fits six and seventh round picks are

622
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: not going to have that much power when it comes

623
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 1: to making a trade since it's an exceptionally deep class.

624
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: Maybe the fourth round picks have a little bit more

625
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: juice this year, and maybe you could trade a couple

626
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: of fours and fives again extra three, Maybe you can

627
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: do something like that. But generally speaking, it's not a

628
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: straight line of value. It's not like first round picks.

629
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Speaker 1: You're here, second, third, fourth, fifth, six, it's first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh.

630
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 1: So and I'm making hand motions. If you guys are

631
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: listening on the podcast, I'm sorry, but basically it's more

632
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: of an exponential decrease in terms of round value rather

633
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: than a linear one. Now, the exception is Dave Gettlman

634
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: has an opinion that maybe some teams might share around

635
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: the league. He said, through the first all all seven

636
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: rounds of the draft, it's exceptionally deep and wide receiver,

637
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Speaker 1: offensive tackle, and defensive back. So now let's say you're

638
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: a team that is short on picks and you really

639
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: do need to enhance your depth at one of those

640
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: three positions. Let's just use Dave's statement as something that

641
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: may be given across the board. It in the NFL. Well,

642
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: then you know what, maybe you'd like to have two

643
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: fifth round picks, because Paul, you're gonna want to pick,

644
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna want to pick a couple of extra corners.

645
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: I hope it could happen. I hope you're right, and

646
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: I like your power of positive thinking. I've never seen

647
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: it happen before. You know it could happen. I'm not

648
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: saying it's going to I'm saying it could and a

649
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: few of the Giants you'd like to be the team

650
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: to take advantage of that. On the other side, absolutely,

651
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: let's go to Charlie in Portland's mains up next night. Charlie,

652
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: how you doing great? Hey, I got something that's gonna

653
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: blow up this whole draft. Just just listen. I know

654
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna think how crazy, but what else is? Look? Look, look, Charlie, Charlie,

655
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: you get to it and get to a fast place. Okay,

656
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: all right, here we go. I think just listening to

657
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: what O'Dell had to say on the tweets yesterday, he

658
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: wants out of Cleveland. He's not going to the Charlie goodbye, goodbye. No, no,

659
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm not the Charlie. Un If you're talking about the

660
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: Browns trading Odell Beckham Jr. I'm going to hand if

661
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: if the next word out of your mouth is if if?

662
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: What did you say? They've got to trade him to

663
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: San Francisco? You're crazy? Got it? All right? Thank you?

664
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: Nobody else has this, but just you know, appreciate the call.

665
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: Kyle in New Jersey. I'm not even wasting my time

666
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: commenting on it, Kyle, what's up? What's up? Man? Um?

667
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: Just wondering what do you guys think about taking a corner.

668
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: I do not believe any corner gives you much, gives

669
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: you the appropriate value Kyle, I think thirty seven is

670
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: a prime prime spot the draft a cornerback. It would

671
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: not surprise me if you don't see a cornerback go

672
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: off the board in this draft until pick twenty seven

673
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: or twenty eight. Yeah. I think John's right on that.

674
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: I think you you have guys that are very scheme specific,

675
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: and you know I talked about teams in the middle

676
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: rounds are gonna have very different grades on people, and

677
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: I think that's a direct result of the cornerback class.

678
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: There's a round I could see as many as look

679
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: at my cornerback list here, there could be as many

680
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: as I think ten to twelve corners go off the

681
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: board on Day two in this draft. And I think

682
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: NFL teams, depending on the scheme that they run and

683
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: the type of UM players they like, could have those

684
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: guys in any potential order. So I think it's gonna

685
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: be very scheme and specific. I think maybe you'll get

686
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: one or two first round corners at best, but I

687
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: think you'll get somebody in that top tier of thirty seven.

688
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: I think that, in my opinion, at least, that's the

689
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: sweet spot for corners. Maybe you can wait till the

690
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: end of round three and get more of a developmental

691
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: guy that could become a good player. But if you

692
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: want to plug and play corner, I would take him

693
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: at thirty seven. I I have no problem with that,

694
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: and I would I would say this to you too. Uh.

695
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: The one most accurate thing John said is about how

696
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,959
Speaker 1: specific you have to be with the style of guy

697
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: you're gonna be drafted at that spot because there there

698
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: are a variety of vegetables there and you've gotta make

699
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: you get the one you want. Man. Guys, own guys,

700
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: slock guys, bump guys off, coverage guys. Is a bunch

701
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: of different guys. That's it. That's it. It's about the

702
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: variety and and what specific style you need. Yeah. Another question,

703
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: if they don't get a quarterback this year in this draft,

704
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: do you guys see him? Thank you guy, I appreciate it. Look,

705
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: John Mara said it at the owner's meeting. It's it's

706
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: it's a you to year deal. I see no reason

707
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: to sign him to an extension before you have to.

708
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: He's thirty's gonna be thirty eight years old. Uh. At

709
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: this point, you don't need to cap space. There's no

710
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: reason to sign to an extension before you have to.

711
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: Eli is not gonna go and play anywhere else. If

712
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: the Giants want him back, if you decided to bring

713
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: him back for another year, you deal with it in

714
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: the off season. That would be my solution. Yeah, I mean,

715
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: it's certainly possible. If your question is could it happen?

716
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: The answer is it absolutely could happen. Sure, it's not impossible.

717
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: He he could, in theory be the quarterback of this

718
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: team in twenty twenty. If he's healthy and he plays

719
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: well and the team is showing improvement, It's absolutely possible. Yeah,

720
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: to rule it out would be foolish. Of course, a

721
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: lot of people have already ruled him out two years ago,

722
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: but you know they don't know what they're talking about.

723
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: Two nine, three, nine, four or five and three. Sonny

724
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: in New Jersey's up next day? Sonny from Jersey. Oh,

725
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Freddie, what's up? Okay? Um? I just have

726
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: a quick question and um a draft prediction free Yes, um.

727
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: Everyone was talking about where Josh Road would ranking in

728
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: the Seer draft was My question is amongst where would

729
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: kylie Letta Frank against the um second tier guys like

730
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: the Finlay's, the will Greers. That's Daniel. It's good, good,

731
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: good question. Um. I would not have him as high

732
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: as Greer Greer as my I have kind of him

733
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones. Um. In that third tier, I have

734
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: like Murray and Haskins, and I have Lock kind of

735
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: on his own, and then I have Greer and Jones

736
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: in that third group. I would put Loletta in that

737
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: next group with the Finley's and players like that myself.

738
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I I think I think he was.

739
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: He was a fourth rounder last year, and I think

740
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: he'd be a fourth rounder again this year. Giants had

741
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: a third round grade on him though you know, I know,

742
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: but he wound up being four, and I think he'd

743
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: be a four now. Yeah, that's fair enough, all right.

744
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: Not my draft tradition is at six. I think the

745
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: Signs gonna take Devin White. The only reason my guys

746
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: behind ended. I think someone's gonna jump come up with

747
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: Tampa and trade in trade with Tampa. Even though you

748
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: said before you don't see it happening, but I think

749
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: Tampa wants a linebacker. They pulled back to the eleventh range,

750
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: they could take Devin Bush so they could, Thank you, Freddie.

751
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: I think I appreciate it. I think there are a

752
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: couple of teams that are questions here. The Jets, what

753
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: they do is going to be important. I think if

754
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: they drifted at Olive over Quinton Williams are out of

755
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: their damn minds. Assuming Boson Murray the first two picks,

756
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: I think they're crazy. I think you do too. It

757
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: just doesn't make any sense. What does at Oliver do

758
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: that's better than Quintin Williams? Why is a tenth of

759
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: a second better time on a forty yard dash? Who cares?

760
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: Quinny Williams is one of those guys where it's very

761
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: very very very very hard to explain. How you pass

762
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: on to quote, Dave gets very hard to quote Dave

763
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: got him from last year. My mother could have scout it.

764
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 1: I think he said his sister to go. He said, sister, Hey,

765
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: all in the family, right bottom line, easy guy, easy

766
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: guy to love. Here's the thing about the Buccaneers. I

767
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: think obviously they need a pass rusher really badly, and

768
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: they lost Quan alexand there so they need him in

769
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: a linebacker middle linebacker very badly. And also they need

770
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle very very badly. Well, I don't see

771
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: them going there at five. Now, I don't think they're

772
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 1: gonna go there either, but if they decide to go there,

773
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: more power to them, because if there's anyway than Josh

774
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: Allen where one of those three guys is gonna slip

775
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: to the Giants, they all need the Buccaneers to take

776
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 1: one of those other fellows. I know, the last month

777
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: or so we've said we thought the best guy that

778
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: has a chance to fall from that top group to

779
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: the Giants would be Williams. I think it's Josh Allen now.

780
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: I think of that group, the guy with the best

781
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: shot the falls Allen, because the Raiders and the Bucks

782
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: both are on four threes, and they might think Allan's

783
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: more of a three or four outside linebacker. Field Gates

784
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: just said this morning on I guess he's ESPN right.

785
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: He said on his mock draft this morning that White,

786
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: Devin White will go to the box and the Giants

787
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: will land Josh Allen at Sex and there's a chance

788
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: that the Bucks will choose have to choose between White Allen.

789
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: Boy a chance again that John We agree on that

790
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: one a thousand percent. That's a no brainer. If he's there,

791
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: you get Oh my goodness, in a second. He fits

792
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: what they want to do defensively. Right away, love Josh Allen.

793
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: Right away, all bets are off. You get that guy

794
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: Don in Connecticut's up next? They done? How are you? Hey?

795
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: H really enjoy listening to Big Blue kick Offs live? Whoever?

796
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: I can't? Great? Thank you have a question I have?

797
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: I have a question about the bottom of the graph. Okay,

798
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: you know the Giants had twelve picks. Half of those

799
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: are are five and below. Uh, how many players from

800
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: the draft of the Giants really want to bring in

801
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: the training camp? And uh, if it was up to you,

802
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: how many would they bring in? And if they're gonna

803
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,479
Speaker 1: trade some of those for a higher draft picks, would

804
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: you trade up to four or three or two or

805
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: what would you do with those lower lower choice Here's

806
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: the thing. Those six and seventh round picks aren't gonna

807
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: do much for you. I don't think your fifth round

808
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: picks and will do much for you either. If you're

809
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: gonna try to move up into the third round, you're

810
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: gonna have to package probably your force and that's gonna

811
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: get you there. And like I said before, if I'm

812
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: going to target an area in the draft, I want

813
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: to move into. It's going to be somewhere between fifty

814
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: five and eighty or sixty and seventy five, somewhere in

815
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: that early to mid third round area where I think

816
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: there'll be some really good players left on the board,

817
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: with maybe even round two grades that will still be left.

818
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: That's where I like to get. I think to get there,

819
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have to trade your late three with

820
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: a four and maybe a five to do that, which

821
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: I think is possible. Um, but I think move it

822
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: up any higher than that it is simply gonna be

823
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: too hard. My guess is that the Johns will walk

824
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: away from the draft with nine or ten guys. That

825
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 1: would be my guess. Yeah, I'm I'm thinking there's gonna

826
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: be nine players who come out of this draft for

827
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: the Giants, that some form of trades will happen and

828
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: they'll wind up losing three picks, maybe even four. But

829
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: I came up with a computation, again based on the

830
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: Giants the Johnson chart, which we've already discussed, how that

831
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: could be very skewed. Okay, Uh, If the Giants wanted

832
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: to move up in the third round, which I would

833
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: recommend they do, Okay, they can swap their three, okay,

834
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: and then they're high five and they're low five. They

835
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: could take that and they could probably move up about

836
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: ten to twelve spots. Is that what the trade charts is,

837
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: That's what the trade schart just and I would very

838
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: much be willing to do that. Um. It would get

839
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: them closer to the middle of the third round. Uh.

840
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: Now that's not going to give you an additional pick.

841
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: All that's gonna do is give you the opportunity to

842
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: slide one of your picks up. I'd have no problem

843
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 1: doing that and and I will do that. Um. But again,

844
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: you got to find a taker willing to make that

845
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: deal with you. So which two fives are you using

846
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: to move up? Uh? I think it was one forty

847
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: two one one. You got one one seventy one. Take

848
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: one seventy one and one forty two. All right. One

849
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: forty two is thirty five points. One seventy one is

850
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: twenty three points. That fifty eight and a half. Okay,

851
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: Now add that to your low three fifty and a half,

852
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: and the low three is ninety five. Move it up.

853
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: See what you get. That's one twenty that gets you

854
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: to a round eighty four. Give a take. I told

855
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: you I was just taking the math. I'm up to

856
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: three thirty in the morning thinking about this stuff, Joe,

857
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: but I don't sleep. I know you don't do math

858
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: when it comes to football. I do math in any event. Uh,

859
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: that that could slide you up quite a bit into

860
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: near the middle of the third round. And that and

861
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: that to me is a possible is a possible deal.

862
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: But this goes back to what John said before. You know,

863
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: you gotta find someone who's convinced that they can get

864
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: some value in that fifth round. Uh. If if, if

865
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: it's a team that that thinks that they need some quantity,

866
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: a team that's short on some picks, they might bite

867
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: on that. I'd love to see it happen. I don't

868
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: know if that they'll find somebody that will do it,

869
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 1: but I'd love to see it happen. Well, then, because

870
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: as a final question, um and all that makes sense

871
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: to me what you guys just said, Why is the

872
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: NFL even then have a six and se of them

873
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: for rounds? I mean it's arning value there. Well remember

874
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 1: a mod Bradshaw, you like him? Seventh round pick. Yeah,

875
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: you can find good players, they're just not valued very

876
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: much in commodities and trades to move up because the

877
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: quality of player available in around three and the chance

878
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: they hit is significantly higher than the chance the players

879
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: you get are gonna hit in around six and seven.

880
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: It's just math. Here's here's what I want you to

881
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: remember too. And this goes back to something John said earlier,

882
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: and and it would not be my preferred way to go.

883
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: I'd rather trade a combination of picks to enhance my

884
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: my opportunities in this draft. But John's right, if you

885
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: can't do that, the next best thing is to try

886
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: to deal a couple of these picks to enhance your

887
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: chances next year. I mean, let's just say, for argument's

888
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: sake that the Giants are in the third day. They're

889
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: on Saturday. We're sitting here doing the program. By the way,

890
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: we are going to be back again special editions of

891
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: the draft live Friday night and Saturday afternoon. All right,

892
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: we'll be here. So for all three days of Gen

893
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: Giants coverage, stick with MSG and stick with Giants dot Com.

894
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: We're gonna be here. Uh. What you do is, John,

895
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: you do what you're you're suggested. If you if you

896
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: can't move up, get out, trade, trade, three or four

897
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: of those third day picks. And let's say you trade

898
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: um a five or six and a seven and you

899
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: get a five next year or four next year. Yeah,

900
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: usually you do. Usually you can get a pick better

901
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: the following year for what you trade this season. Yeah,

902
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: you usually right. It's one round up when you when

903
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: you deal a pick for a year future, you usually

904
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: get one round up. So maybe you trade a five

905
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: or six and a seven and say, somebody, hey, give

906
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: us a four next year. Appreciate it and see what

907
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: you can do two on five on three. It's all

908
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910
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: say hello to Rob. They Rob glemen, great show, by

911
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: the way, thank you. All right, So I am not enamored.

912
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: In fact, I just like every one of the quarterback

913
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: options in this year's draft, UM, and I think it

914
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: would be uh Sucker's beat too uh to take anybody.

915
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to get your opinion, and John you kind

916
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: of touched on this a minute ago as far as

917
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: tiering the quarterbacks. Your first tier in this year's quarterbacks, um,

918
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: are what Haskins and Murray. Yeah, I would put them

919
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: in the same tier, though I have I have Murray,

920
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: I would like if they were both available, I would

921
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: not hesitate to pick Murray. So if you want to

922
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: put him in separate tiers, I guess you can. But

923
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: I would put them as both top fifteen or so

924
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: quality players. Okay, compared to top tier first tier quarterbacks.

925
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: I haven't studied them, to be honest with you, I don't.

926
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I I've seen to a play on TV

927
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: like everybody else has. He looks like he's really good,

928
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: but I know he's a little bit shorter. Um, A

929
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: lot of people like Justin Herbert. If I told you

930
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: I've seen Justin Herbert play more than a quarter of football,

931
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 1: I'd be lying to you. I know he has older

932
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: tools and fundamentals, and he kind of fits the prototypical quarterback.

933
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: But beyond that, I can't give you a real good

934
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: opinion on it, to be honest with you. Sorry, fortunately

935
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: or unfortunately, however you look at it. Lived it down

936
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: South for seventeen years and all sports talk radio and

937
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: all sports is about college football, watched a lot, and um,

938
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: I think even the Tier two guys for next year

939
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: are just as good as Um the tier one and

940
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: especially the tier two of this year. So my thought is,

941
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: who are your tier two guys next year? Rob, who

942
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: are your tier two guys for next year? Educate me

943
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm a U G A fan. Um.

944
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: And as much as From is put into that tier

945
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: one conversation, I don't think he's there quite yet. He

946
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: has improved over the last two seasons, especially last season.

947
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: I mean he was dropping some dimes in in the

948
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: playoffs are the bowl games. But um, so I put

949
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: him like the first pick in the tier two of

950
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: of next year. Um. I like Herbert a lot, I

951
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: like uh From, I like sorry to Hum. Those are

952
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 1: my top two picks. But um to lead the second

953
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: tier I put From in there? Um, why why did

954
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: you take one guy? I really want to build the

955
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: team and get get a solid team for Eli for

956
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: I'm assuming this year, this coming season, in the next season,

957
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: build around that. Get get your offensive line set up,

958
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: get your defense set up, and see if we can

959
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: win at least one more season with Eli. And then

960
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: bringing that quarterback and you are set. I mean, here's

961
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: the trick, Rob. Here, here here's the trick. If you

962
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: do that and the Giants go eight and eighth this

963
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: year and they're picking sevent next year. Yeah, the hell

964
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: do you get to one to take the quarterback you

965
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: want and there's no guarantee you can get there given

966
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 1: this plan. Given this plan is we have the team

967
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: in place. So the only thing we really have to

968
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: worry about. I know that there's going to be injured,

969
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: there's a million and one factors. I get that, But

970
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: they're assuming that they have their team in place to

971
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: a winning team, especially the offensive line. UM, and they've

972
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: got the talent on skill positions. You bet the farm

973
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 1: you'd go big or go home on quarterback, and um,

974
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: maybe you know, maybe we get some draft capital with

975
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: trading back a few spots for seventeen. You know, go

976
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: back three or four spots and you still end up

977
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: with a great pick at seventeen, and then you possibly

978
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: have an extra round one. Um, but even if you

979
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: miss out on Um Herbert or UH two or from

980
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: I still think that there's gonna be like the World

981
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: Careers of this year, that Daniel Jones. There's going to

982
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: be those guys coming up. And I don't watch all

983
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: college football. I'm going to give you a guy that

984
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: talent level is going to be there. I'm going to

985
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: give you a guy, all right, watch Texas is Sam Erlinger. Okay,

986
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: watch him. This is a guy who intrigues me immensely

987
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: as I watch him right now. He would be my

988
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: sleeper guy with a big arrow up going into next

989
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: year's quarterback draft. Get a look at him. He sure does.

990
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: He's a smart kid, you boys, real pro already. I'm

991
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: I I like that kid a lot. Now. I think

992
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: Herbert's the best guy, and I think from is the

993
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: next best guy. But if you're looking for that next

994
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: guy in the next group, the sleeper who could put

995
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 1: himself in that conversation Samuel Linger to get a look

996
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: at them. I can't believe you don't like to uh,

997
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: a guy that can run around. It isn't that I

998
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with Really, I know I don't

999
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: have a problem. I'd like to see more. I'd like

1000
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: to see more. Why do you like Herbert more than two? Well,

1001
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: come on, you've seen to his numbers are in production

1002
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: is so much better. I know. I think it's probably

1003
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: because of Herbert's experience. I'm big on that. One of

1004
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: Parcels's rules was that we talked about this on Yes,

1005
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,479
Speaker 1: who should be a two year staughter at that point

1006
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: he will be, but he's not yet. He's not yet.

1007
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing. Here's what's really funny about this. Okay,

1008
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: I'd love to you to go back to all your

1009
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: draft experts and all your draft guides and all your

1010
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: draft books, and they always said that little page in

1011
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: the back or that chapter in the back and say

1012
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: guys to look for in next year's draft. How many

1013
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: of those guys actually do become the top guys the

1014
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: following year. So much can change. Okay, Well, by the way,

1015
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: what if Kyler, Murray and Haskins stayed in this year

1016
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: and played another year in college and oh, wait a minute,

1017
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 1: maybe Haskins doesn't throw fifty touchdown passes. Maybe he actually

1018
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: throws a whole ton more picks all of a sudden.

1019
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: Maybe next year Dwayne Haskins is a third round pack.

1020
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: You don't know, And sa thing could happen to Herbert

1021
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: next year. Could happen absolutely, And that's the point. You see,

1022
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: the one thing about Murray and Haskins and both guys

1023
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: right now, they're coming out of peak value because the

1024
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: arrow is only down for these guys, folks, it's only

1025
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: down Remember after um Christian Hackenberg's freshman year at there

1026
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: you go. Everyone's he's gonna be the first overall pick

1027
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: when he's eligible, absolutely no question. And this and this

1028
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: is why you can't put hardly any stock, okay in

1029
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: projecting two years down the road as to which guy

1030
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: is gonna come out in the draft, because you don't

1031
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: even know the year he's gonna have. This year, maybe

1032
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna feel totally different about him at the end

1033
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: of this fall season. Anyway, you were looking for a

1034
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 1: guy in the second tier, see where oldel does. Let's

1035
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: go to Greg in Virginia. He's up next. Hey Greg, Hey,

1036
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: how are you guys doing today? Hey? Um? Yeah, So

1037
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: the guy I'm hounding in on is Brian Burns as

1038
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: a realistic pick for number six. I've been watching the

1039
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: Path to the Draft um thing that the Giant website

1040
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: has been showing, which has been pretty cool, thank you,

1041
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 1: and I'm um. One thing I noticed is that they

1042
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: keep putting emphasis on the culture. And Brian Burns turn

1043
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: twenty one today and he is, as you said, maybe

1044
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: a little bit under eyes, but one year old man

1045
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: still has plenty of room to put on muscle. Um.

1046
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: You know an athlete at six five that has the

1047
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: birth like that real move, um, several years of real

1048
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: production at a high level. And you know, I forget

1049
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: who was I think one of the guests you guys

1050
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: had on a week ago or so had mentioned that

1051
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: his get off his reminiscent of Dian Sanders. Um. So

1052
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: he might not be you know, stop to run and pass,

1053
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: but we need a pass rush. So I think you

1054
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: have a far like far more likely to get that

1055
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: need through a high flying eggs linebacker than you are

1056
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: saying a defensive tackle who can shoot the gap. I mean,

1057
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: I mean there's more more than just pressure or more

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00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: than just sacks. You know, you're take anto account pressures

1059
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: and things as well. But if we need a pass rusher,

1060
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: we have a guy who is a self described leader.

1061
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: His his character is non question um. And I think

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00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: it's a realistic choice. Um, and I'd be really happy

1063
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: with him. And I just had one one question. So

1064
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: the thing about Daniel Jones, Um, So he's had the

1065
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: cut cliff guy, who's you know this well respected coach. Um.

1066
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: I think he's been there for what three or four

1067
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: years playing for him, don't you think he should be

1068
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: a little more polished than what he is. I mean,

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00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: I think fundamentally he is very polished. And what part

1070
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: of his game do you think is unpolished? Well, I mean,

1071
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: it just seems like if his read isn't there who

1072
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: he's supposed to go to prior, you know, prior to

1073
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: the snap, he starts to panic. So I mean it's

1074
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: one thing that you know people who are like, oh, well,

1075
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: he's really well coached, But if he was really well

1076
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: coached and had to all those physical abilities, and you

1077
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: think there shouldn't be as many questions more. Yeah, great,

1078
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:05,919
Speaker 1: thanks for the call. I appreciate it. To me, that's

1079
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: not polished. To me, that's instincts, and it's hard to coach.

1080
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: That the coach can tell you what to do doesn't

1081
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: mean that you're gonna do it when you're in the

1082
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: heat of the moment. And that does separate, by the way,

1083
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: the great players from the players that maybe aren't great. Yeah.

1084
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, polishes more of a physical attribute

1085
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: where you're cleaning up a guy's mechanics more so than

1086
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: the mental stuff mental processing. I don't necessarily call that polish.

1087
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: That's more maturity. It's more instincts. It's more experience and

1088
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: knowledge I would consider polished. Understanding and reading defenses. I

1089
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: think that's polished because that comes to experience and you

1090
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: can learn that. That guy. I just equate polished more

1091
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 1: to physical stuff. I think that's that's all right. That's

1092
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: we're were were splitting hair semantics. Justin and Philly's up next. Hey, Justin,

1093
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,439
Speaker 1: you're a final caller today. Hey, what's going on, guys,

1094
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: first time in a long time. How are you? I'm

1095
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 1: doing well. I'm doing so so. I think John you

1096
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: made a great point so that I think it was

1097
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: rob one of the colors. If you kick the can

1098
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: down the road in the quarterback conversation and expect to

1099
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 1: be good this year, you're gonna have to give up

1100
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: the farm to get one, exactly. So, I am all

1101
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: in on getting a quarterback this year, with one caveat.

1102
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: If I'm at number six and one of the top

1103
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: three defensive players land in my lap, whether that be

1104
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: Q Williams, I don't think it's gonna be both a

1105
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: um or Jared Allen or even Devin White. I picked

1106
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: one of those guys. If they're not there, I considered

1107
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: trading out of the number six and moving back and

1108
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: trying to get either Haskins or grew locked still inside

1109
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: he's of the top pen or the top fifteen, and

1110
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: still getting some capital back. That way, you can take

1111
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: care of that big box right then and there and

1112
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: not have to give us a farm, you know, years

1113
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: down the road, or you move down and then if

1114
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: you get the extra one, then you use that next year,

1115
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden your price for getting that

1116
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: quarterback isn't as bad. That's a great point. That's a

1117
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: great point. So I'm not married to the idea of

1118
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: even staying at number six if one of those three

1119
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: guys isn't there, because I think you would agree with

1120
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: me that there's a whole tier of other players that

1121
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: you would be very happy with, you know, with that

1122
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: selection right, whether it be months, what, whether that be

1123
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, Cleveland Ferguson, I'm with you any of those guys. Um. So,

1124
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: so I'm not married the idea of staying. It's sick

1125
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: if it means I'm not going to get one of

1126
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: those top guys. Appreciate the calling, my friend, thanks so much. Yeah,

1127
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm in favor of that. I'm good

1128
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: with it. I know Paul's not. Well, let's put it

1129
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: this way, there's no way you even consider doing anything

1130
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: until you get on the clock after those first five

1131
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: picks are taken. Yeah, and look what happens before. We'll

1132
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: determine what the Giants end up doing, and we'll tell

1133
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: you what's gonna happen tomorrow, because our mock draft is

1134
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: never wrong, folks, it's gonna be the one that's right.

1135
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: It's not, but they shot you in the Big kick

1136
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: Off Live tomorrow to see how we're long. Myself, Paul

1137
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: and Lance go back and forth and make all the

1138
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: picks one through thirty seven, and we'll see who the

1139
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: Giants wind up with. Fro pol Tatino. I'm John Schmult.

1140
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Speaker 1: That's today's episode of Big Blue kick Off Live on

1141
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: Giants dot Com. We'll see tomorrow at noon. And the

1142
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: draft gets closer and closer and closer and closer. Audios