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Speaker 1: so we're filling her in with the one and only,

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Speaker 1: I for years now. I feel like I don't know

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Speaker 1: an incredible introduction that was. I'm flattered. I'm blushing right now.

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Speaker 1: Stop okay, keep blushing that back because you just know

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Speaker 1: Maybe that would be a good way to start. Dean,

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Speaker 1: can you give us a little bit of an idea

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Speaker 1: of what you've been up to recently? Been climbing mountains,

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Speaker 1: riding dirt bikes, jumping out of airplanes, just about everything

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Speaker 1: You know. They gave me a call. They said Ben

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Speaker 1: you go on these like shows? I mean, when when

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Speaker 1: kind of conversation during her season where she admitted that

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Speaker 1: she had had sex with somebody in a woodmill and

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00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 1: America kind of backed her. I do want to try

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Speaker 1: to see where we go with that. In a second.

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Speaker 1: But my mom and I were talking about this and

431
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,159
Speaker 1: we couldn't quite process on today's world, no matter what

432
00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 1: you believe or you feel is your moral right or

433
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 1: or whatever, why does it become a social media conversation.

434
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Speaker 1: Isn't this one to have in front of people, as

435
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Speaker 1: to humans to say this is how I feel, this

436
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 1: I think, and and this is why I do what

437
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Speaker 1: I do. It just feels odd to me that these

438
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Speaker 1: comments are coming on a picture that they know is

439
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: so sensitive in support or not support. Well, my thing

440
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 1: with the with the picture specifically the picture was fine.

441
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 1: The static post in his feed I thought was was

442
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 1: decently written. The issue that I really have is the

443
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 1: sharing of the text messages on the story, so I

444
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 1: can see I can see the bristows reaching out and saying, hey,

445
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: I support your vulnerability or I'm glad you said this,

446
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 1: because the message that he relayed there was a message

447
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 1: of regret, apology and potential growth. But it wasn't until

448
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: he shared the text messages that really just kind of

449
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 1: took me into overdrive personally and and really pissed me

450
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Speaker 1: off because there's just no place for that. Um yeah, yeah,

451
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Speaker 1: that's one place I missed. I guess you're right because

452
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: on the static post it was an apology kind of

453
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 1: admitting fall but also saying, hey, there's two sides every story.

454
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm not the only one involved in this. I don't

455
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Speaker 1: think I'm as guilty as what it's being portrayed as,

456
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 1: but I'm sorry because what I did was not right.

457
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,479
Speaker 1: And then so the comments are probably based on that post.

458
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: And then the pictures on the text meta or the

459
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 1: text message on the story isn't getting the comments that

460
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Speaker 1: we're being able to see well, And then that makes sense.

461
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: I didn't think of that. He posted stories, and then

462
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Speaker 1: a couple of hours later he takes the stories down

463
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: and said, oh my gosh, I didn't want anyone to

464
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Speaker 1: attack Kalin because of these stories. I'm deleting them now.

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Speaker 1: And that was just like a big slap in the face, Like, what,

466
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Speaker 1: you didn't want anyone to attack Kalin and so you

467
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Speaker 1: shared private text messages basically encouraging people to go and

468
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Speaker 1: attack Kalin. And now you're a quote unquote taking the

469
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Speaker 1: high road, and yeah, I don't know, I get it.

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Speaker 1: So okay, let's talk through now, um, how this is

471
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Speaker 1: all looked from every side possible I want to go

472
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Speaker 1: to a couple reader email or listener emails here, I

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Speaker 1: see I've been saying reader emails recently. Hey, before we

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Speaker 1: jump into that, Ben A good question that both Tory

475
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: and Danielle brought up is you see, obviously Christina on

476
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Speaker 1: this on the show is well kind of like lay

477
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Speaker 1: Blake down and kind of lay into him a little

478
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: bit as well. But why is Blake not defending himself

479
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: in that sense? Why is Blake not sharing text messages

480
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: between him Christina? Why is it just Kalin and Blake?

481
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Speaker 1: And now you see Christina commenting on Blake's picture as well,

482
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 1: supporting him speaking his truth. Well, I don't know. I mean,

483
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: I obviously don't know the answer is any of this.

484
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 1: My assumption would be I do feel like Kalin's um

485
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: accusations of Blake are a little bit heavier than Christina's.

486
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: I think for me, the sleeping around thing people can

487
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Speaker 1: get over. I think it's the silencing part that when

488
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Speaker 1: I watched it I had a problem with. When it

489
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: came to Blake personally, I was like, how would you

490
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: ever call anybody that you've had an intimate relationship with

491
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Speaker 1: and call him and say you need to stay quiet

492
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Speaker 1: because this has to go well for me. That's where

493
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: I had a problem, Like as as a any man

494
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 1: or woman that feels like that's their right to tell

495
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: anybody to be quiet based on an action that you

496
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: both participate in. Is this is not a good thing.

497
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 1: And so that's why I thought, hey, like, hair accusations

498
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: are pretty serious. That's manipulation. It's it's odd because even

499
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: we we actually I talked about how when we were

500
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: in Paradise for the wedding, it was still it was

501
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: still something that like felt like it was heavy over

502
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: the crowd. I mean, I do feel like this is

503
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,239
Speaker 1: a heavy talk topic. Dean, Like, I don't think this

504
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: is like it's weird to me. For the last party

505
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 1: three seasons of the show, both Bachelor, Bachelorette and now Paradise,

506
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: there's been topics that's kind of transcended this, Like Bachelor World.

507
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: I feel like ri E season had a few things

508
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: that were like that we're worthy to talk about. The

509
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: breakup definitely was one of those that felt, hey, this

510
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: is crazy, this is wild, but it wasn't like heavy.

511
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: This stuff feels heavy to me. I don't know why.

512
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just super sensitive to right now. Um, And

513
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: I've been out of it for long enough where I'm

514
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: a little bit disconnected, but it feels heavy. I want

515
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: to ask, and I think talking to you is help

516
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: me process it. Originally I didn't understand why Blake was

517
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: getting so shamed for sleeping with two people. Again, personally, Uh,

518
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: you know, morally, whatever you want to feel, that's up

519
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: to you. I think there's a right and wrong in

520
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: my life. I think there's a right and wrong when

521
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Speaker 1: it comes to the values and morals that I think

522
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: are best for us as humans. But again, Dean, you

523
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: might disagree with me, and with that, I can't change

524
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: what you think, and there's no really point to me

525
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: to try to do that outside of just saying, hey,

526
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: let's have a conversation. And so I was confused on

527
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: what was different with Hannah Be and Blake. Hannah Be

528
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: admitted to sleeping with somebody, um, and then you know,

529
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: I was willing to become engaged to somebody else. Um.

530
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: She stood up for herself and said, hey, it's my body,

531
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Speaker 1: it's my right. I owe you nothing. Uh. And then Blake,

532
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what it looks like if he stood

533
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: on the beach and he goes, it's my body, it's

534
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: my right, I owe you nothing. I don't know how

535
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: people respond to that, but I was like, I feel

536
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: like there's parallels probably when it comes to sleeping with

537
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: multiple people. Again, my issue though, was the silencing talk.

538
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: The silencing talk was it got me. I don't I

539
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: don't understand where it was coming from. So basically text

540
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: messages that we read, it looks like Blake didn't ask

541
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: to silence Kalin and you were just explaining that she

542
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: felt like like a dirty secret. But basically text messes

543
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: looked like there was an agreed upon, Hey, let's not

544
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: talk about it until it's brought up, and what we

545
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,479
Speaker 1: saw on the show looks like Kalin was the one

546
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: that brought it up right away. Is there anything more

547
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: to that that you can help me process because I'm

548
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: having a hard time understanding still where this silencing idea

549
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: came from. I think that, like kind of what I

550
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: mentioned at the top of the episode is we're seeing

551
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: the text messages that Blake wants to choose for us

552
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: to see. We're seeing the hand picked messages to paint

553
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: the picture that he wants to paint for us. We

554
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: also don't see the phone calls. We don't see of

555
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: their conversations, right, and so we can't sit here and

556
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: objectively say Blake said this or Blake didn't say this.

557
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: You kind of have to take Helin for her word,

558
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: which at this point it's difficult to do because we've

559
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: seen her kind of go back on her word a

560
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: little bit. Obviously if he if he did end up

561
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: saying that, that's obviously a very very horrible thing to

562
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: say someone, especially especially coming into a situation like this.

563
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: It's just like, it's kind of I don't know, if

564
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: there's so many things moving, there's so many moving parts

565
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: of this situation. It's absolutely it's it's really hard to

566
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: kind of like process all of it. I have one

567
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: final question for you, Dean, but before we do that,

568
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: I want to take a second and talk about some

569
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: of our sponsors. Dean. We're coming back on the episode.

570
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: We're talking about Blake here. We're just getting ready to

571
00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: kind of finish out. Um this i'd say mess, mess

572
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: of a situation. Uh, it feels heavy. It's definitely you know,

573
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: polarizing paradise one of the other the other things that

574
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: we continue to get this week. Uh, and that we

575
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: talked about on the podcast of the first episode is

576
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: why do people choose to have conflict on the show? Um,

577
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: it feels pretty easy to just handle this stuff off

578
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: of the show. You have the numbers, you have the phones,

579
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: you have texting. But you mean Christina is an example here.

580
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: She comes onto Paradise and it's pretty clear that she

581
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: comes onto Paradise to confront Blake. Um, there was three

582
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: days in a Paradise at this point. I mean, I'm

583
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,239
Speaker 1: assuming she probably was talking to him a week before that,

584
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: or could have what is the reasoning to conflict and

585
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: confrontation on national television instead of offline? I guess you

586
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: just get more eyeballs on you, like, why, why? Why

587
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: is that something we want? Dean? I think Christina? I mean,

588
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna you can't speak for Christine. Obviously, Christina

589
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: had a rough go around the first Bachelor in Paradise.

590
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: She was on because of me, right, so now maybe

591
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: she feels vindicated to come in this time around and

592
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: be like, look, I'm going to be the stern ass

593
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: and put men in their place. And so she just

594
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: kind of came in with his mentality where she's gonna

595
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: kind of take that approach. That's kind of the way

596
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: that I viewed it. It was so confusing to me

597
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: that a Christina comes in asks Blake on a date,

598
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: of all people, Blake says yes to the date. Christina

599
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: then just kind of like lays into Blake the whole time,

600
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: and Blake just can't really seem to muster up any words.

601
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: Like it was just a whole weird sequence of events

602
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: that didn't really make much sense to me. I agree

603
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: with you. Why did Christina and Blake not have this

604
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: conversation weeks prior to coming into Paradise? What's the benefit

605
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: of having it on the show? Do either of them

606
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: stand to benefit anything from it? Like? Not really if Christine.

607
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: If Christine is going on the show to find a partner,

608
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,239
Speaker 1: as you know you you're supposed to be doing on

609
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: that show, then why is she asking someone that she's

610
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: already pursued and failed a relationship with. It's it's it's

611
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: something I don't understand, Dean and and so bring up this.

612
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: You said it a couple of times. Blake just seems

613
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: like he has a lack of words right here. Why

614
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: do you think he is shocked every time a girl

615
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: says I liked you like we've seen this now twice

616
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: Christina and Klein have both said this. I don't think

617
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: we've seen Hannah g say it or Tastious say it.

618
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: But why when it said? Is it like completely caught

619
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Speaker 1: off guard? That's hard, hard question to answer. I don't

620
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: know if we have an answer. I mean, you don't

621
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: have to have an answer. I just it's like something

622
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: that when I noticed. One thing that makes me I

623
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: think Blake isn't quite as absolved in all of this

624
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: is his reactions to when Klin shows up, to when

625
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: Christina shows up to his interviews where he's by himself

626
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: and he's saying, oh, man, I gotta get out of Paradise.

627
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be in paradise. That's not the things that

628
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: an innocent person says, or that's not under the way

629
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: an innocent person reacts to someone coming into paradise, especially

630
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: someone that you know is coming into paradise. It it's

631
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: just there's so many mystery boxes in this whole situation,

632
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: like why are you reacting this way? Why are you

633
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: saying these things? And then now why are you saying

634
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: that you're innocent in all of this when from what

635
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: we're seeing on the show, which is really what we

636
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: have to base most of the most of it off

637
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 1: of it doesn't really appear that way at all. And again,

638
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: I think it just boils back to him wanting everyone

639
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: to love him as much as everyone did coming off

640
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: Becka season. Now he's getting a little bit more hate

641
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: and he doesn't necessarily know how to handle it. And

642
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: I even, yeah, I don't know. I tried to. I

643
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: tried to prepare him for that, right because I went

644
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: through my own hate a Bachelor Paradise season four, and

645
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: it just it's fallen on deaf ears. So we we're

646
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: talking here about reactions, and we were saying, Hey, why

647
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: is Blake reacting like he didn't know that these girls

648
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: liked him? And we don't know if we can even

649
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: answer that. I don't I don't know if we know

650
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: enough about it. But one of our listener email says this,

651
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: how is Klin supposed to talk to Blake first before

652
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: anyone else the list The email continues and it's as

653
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: he literally ran from her and hid when she came

654
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: to the steps. That spoke volumes. Now, I think a

655
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 1: little bit of this when it comes to reaction, a

656
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: lot of the show is something that we um that

657
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: that is real, that stuff that happens, and some of

658
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: the reactions, I would say, our stuff that I don't

659
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: always read too much into because it's it's clippets, it's

660
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: it's it's bites. And you know, if a girl walks

661
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: in the stairs, they can get Blake. You know, watching

662
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: somebody throw a football seventy miles with his mouth wide open,

663
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: and that's the face they used to win. They're walking

664
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: in the stairs. Is this one of those like do

665
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: you think he ran from her and hid or do

666
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: you think he just didn't want to talk. It's certainly possible.

667
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: We've seen it before. I'm sure we see it more

668
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: frequently than we even realize. Knowing that the blueprints and

669
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: the layout of the beach, the places that he was

670
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: running to are not places you would go to for

671
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: either an interview, to grab a snack, to grab a drink.

672
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: Those are places that you're going to to remove yourself

673
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: from the situation is and solely to be out of

674
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: the situation, you know what I mean. Well, it brings

675
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: up the question should Blake just remove himself completely at

676
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: this point? Should he leave Paradise? I mean we know

677
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: what he does, but should he? I mean, you've been

678
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: down there, you know the pressures, You've been in a

679
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: spot yourself that feels helpless and out of control. Is

680
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: there ever thought that says, I just gotta get out

681
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: of here? Well, you see Blake saying that in his interviews.

682
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: He's like, man, I just gotta get out of here.

683
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: Is there an option just to get out of there?

684
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: I think you always have kind of have the option.

685
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: I will say, I try to get out of there

686
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: halfway through season four and they never let I was like,

687
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get out of here, and they're like, all right, cool,

688
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: sit here. In like six hours later, I was still

689
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: sitting there. I was like, all right, could I guess

690
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: I'll just stay sorry, languish. So I think, like you,

691
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: you theoretically have the choice to leave if you really

692
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: wanted to. But I don't think that necessarily that you know,

693
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: it might have looked worse for him to leave, really,

694
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: but that but that goes back to my original point

695
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: is you wouldn't an innocent person with nothing to hide

696
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't be saying things like I gotta get out of here.

697
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: This place isn't for me. I'm in over my head,

698
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: like if you I don't know, what do you think?

699
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never been to Paradise. I mean,

700
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: I know the Batchel would be really hard to leave.

701
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: I mean we've seen one try and it didn't go

702
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 1: very well. Um, I mean the Badger at I don't

703
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: think I could have ever left. I don't know where

704
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: I would have gone half the time, here in some

705
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: weird location that you know, you know nobody and you're

706
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: locked away. I don't know what Paradise is like. Some

707
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: people leave Paradise midway through a couple of times. I

708
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: think Christina did it my season. I think at least

709
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: every season you have at least like one or two

710
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: people that bows out of like a rose ceremony or something. Yeah,

711
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: you kind of have to wait for the right time.

712
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: At this point, as I'm watching the show, it's weak two.

713
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: This is obviously not going well at all at this point.

714
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: For Blake, I mean, I bet he feels like he's

715
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: been hit by a semi truck. He went down there

716
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: thinking this was gonna be awesome, it was gonna be fun.

717
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: He was going to have a girl or two that

718
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: he was gonna be interested in. Everybody's gonna get along. Um,

719
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna be the king of the beach. And three

720
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: days in he's like, oh boy, why do you think

721
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: he's on that first date? I have no clue that's one.

722
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: That's so this is the question I have for you.

723
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: So we see at the end of the episode that

724
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: Hannah Gee kisses Blake after. This is hard for me

725
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: to watch, not for the Blake reason. Really, I just

726
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 1: really like Hannah Gi and Dylan, and I think Dylan

727
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: seems like a nice guy. But she kisses him after

728
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: she was excited about Blake potentially taking her on the

729
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: first day and said he takes Tasha. What is there

730
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: more that he wants to find out about Tasha? Is

731
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: Tasha the kind of the mystery woman to him that

732
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: he hasn't got to spend a ton of time with. Um,

733
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: there's obviously, I think a background with him and Tasha

734
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: outside of the outside of Paradise. I don't know, right,

735
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know if that's been

736
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: discussed yet. But there's also background with him in Hannah

737
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: on the show. So there's a background with Christina Kaylin,

738
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: Hannah and Tasha. And he decides to take Tastia on

739
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: the day. Do we know? Why? Do we have any

740
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: insight why? I don't know the way I at least

741
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: perceived it. I don't know if this is confirmed or not.

742
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: Was he knew he liked Hannah, He thought that he

743
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: could have liked Tasha, and so he took Tasha on

744
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: a day to see if there was something there. It

745
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: was a It was a dumb move in my opinion.

746
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: If you know you're there for Hannah, then you should

747
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: probably be taking hand on a date. He just he

748
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: was just shooting himself in the foot left and right.

749
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. It really is a very confusing situation.

750
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: I would assume like I don't know, I really have

751
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: no idea. Huh. I'm honestly, I'm surprised how this is

752
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: playing out there. There just seems to be a lot

753
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: of things right now, UM that I feel like they're

754
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: going against Blake, and I think some of it almost

755
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: feels like a lot of them are are done by

756
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: him just making some really weird decisions. Now to move

757
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: on past these text messages, well, how do you feel

758
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: about the text messages? Um? What I feel like is

759
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: this is he feels pushed into a corner. Anytime any

760
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: person feels pushed into a corner, I think we feel

761
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: like we have to defend and react, especially when we

762
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: feel like we're in the right. I think Blake looked

763
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: at these text messages, didn't realize exactly the weight of them,

764
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: and said, this is my proof that I'm not all

765
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: wrong here. And I look at these text messages. I

766
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: read them, and if I read the text message, I go, yeah,

767
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: you're not all wrong. Like they they point to you

768
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: advising and consulting and talking about and having a conversation

769
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: that releases you from the idea that you silenced Kalin.

770
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: But I also agree with you in the sense of

771
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: their text messages and they're private. But I think it

772
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: was the only thing he felt like he had to

773
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: defend himself. If not, he was just gonna eat turds

774
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: for as long as this plays out for and you

775
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: know it doesn't last forever. But and I think there's

776
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of like he said in his message,

777
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: the name is the only thing he has. I think

778
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: right now he feels like there's no recovering from what's happening.

779
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: I think there was another I think there was a

780
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: way for nobody necessarily to win if we're looking at

781
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: winning here in this, but to get both stories out.

782
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: And I think you're right. I think an interview, a

783
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,959
Speaker 1: podcast something is a better way to do it. You

784
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: you get to talk it through. UM. But I do

785
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: think that they I think the sex uh texts are

786
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: are very personal and I think they're they're tough for

787
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: me to swallow UM because you just it's just it's

788
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: hard to think that those could be released publicly. But

789
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: at the same time, I think Blake just felt pushed

790
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: into a corner and he reacted. Now I don't know

791
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: necessarily what the like consensus, you know, response has been.

792
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if people are in favor of this

793
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: on their Hints team or Kalen's team. Imagine it's pretty

794
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: mixed reviews. I'm not great in these scenarios because again,

795
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: I just think a phone call would have been better.

796
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: Like I just think of a conversation UM way before

797
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: the show even happens, would have been better. A joint statement,

798
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: maybe a joint statement something, something that clears the air

799
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: for both. It's weird, you know what I go to

800
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: It's like, what does the future look like now? Like

801
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: you're thirty years old, and now people are gonna know you.

802
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: This is the hard part of the show is they're

803
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: gonna know you as the guy that slipt around and

804
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: they're gonna know the confrontation as a confrontation that's memorable

805
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: on Paradise. And do you don't want to ask you?

806
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: I mean you've been in it, and so again to

807
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: clear that up, I guess my answers. I don't know

808
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: how I feel. Quite honestly, I don't know what would

809
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: have been best here. I don't know any more of

810
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: the story than what I read and all on Instagram

811
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: last night. So you in season four had your own controversy.

812
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: It affected your life, It affected you personally. I'm sure

813
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: it felt heavy and it felt like you were in

814
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: your own corner during that time. Remove yourself from any

815
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: biased in this scenario. What advice would you give somebody

816
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: to move through and on from this and not letting

817
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: it affect their life? And then does it or does

818
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: it affect your life and change everything completely? Well, I

819
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: told you, I think I mentioned that earlier, was before

820
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: Paradise began airing. I had a conversation with Blake about

821
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: what he could expect because the situations are different, but

822
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: there the responses are going to be similar, you know

823
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: what I mean. And I told him it's going to

824
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: get a lot worse before it gets a lot better.

825
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: And I told him that people have a very short

826
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: memory span, especially when it comes to this, especially on

827
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: a week by week basis as the season is airing. Um. Yeah,

828
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 1: I still have a lot occasionally have someone like mentioned

829
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: something about my experience on Paradise the first time around,

830
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: but it's it's basically non existent. Um. I think back

831
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: to my relationships coming out of Bachelor Paradise, Bachelor Winster Games,

832
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: going through those breakups, and I'm like, I and this

833
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: is this is maybe just the biggest is connect that

834
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: I have is I would never imagine sharing personal text

835
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: messages to vindicate myself during those breakups. I've had my

836
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: fair share of of excess saying things that I didn't

837
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: like hearing and going through situations where people were saying

838
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: the wrong things about me to me that my nextes

839
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: have said. It never even crossed my mind to screenshot

840
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: messages and share them with the world to prove my

841
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: innocence in that sentence. And so now to see someone

842
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: going to that length, it just is it's like disturbing.

843
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that he really did anything that wrong

844
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: up until that moment um. But like I said, I

845
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: gave him some advice. I tried my best, I said,

846
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I could go back through our text messages

847
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: and kind of remember, but I told him to get

848
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: a lot worse. Yeah, I won't um And I told

849
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 1: him that he just needs to wait it out, man,

850
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 1: Like even a month after Paradise is airing, and even

851
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: even just before he posted these text messages the other day,

852
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: I said, man, just give it one week, wait for

853
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: the next week's two episodes to air, and I almost

854
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: guarantee you no one will be talking about this still.

855
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: And he goes, no, it's it's gotta go now. It's

856
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: now or never. I gotta do it. Man, you don't

857
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 1: have to do anything. You you have the ability to wait.

858
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: That's the one thing that's working in your favorite now

859
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: is you have time. The only thing that's pressing you

860
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: for time is your own like anxiety kind of weighing

861
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: in on you, and you're thinking that you have a

862
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: deadline to get this out, to share your truth. Wait

863
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: a week, see how it how it rolls over into

864
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: the next week, see if it dissipates at all. And uh,

865
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of funny looking back now at the

866
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: advice that I was trying to give him both in

867
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: releasing these text messages in the week prior before the

868
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: season even aired, because everything I said was just discounted,

869
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: not listen to. I don't know, it's it's it's kind

870
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: of hard to see. But I even have, like I

871
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: have other friends within the franchise that I know we're

872
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: talking to him about the messages and all that kind

873
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 1: of stuff and telling him not to do it. Everyone

874
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: that I've talked to about this that's spoken with him

875
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: as said, they've told him not to do it, and

876
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: yet he still goes and does it. So it's like

877
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: when you have your friends are telling you you shouldn't

878
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: do something, and you go and do it. Anyways, Like

879
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: where do you see the I don't know the right

880
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: in that. I remember the feeling when Lauren I broke

881
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: up and it went public, like the weight of it

882
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: and like how you felt like the world was against

883
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: you or for you, Like he felt like there was

884
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: just so much heavy like attention on your relationship and

885
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: you wanted to get a statement out there and you

886
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: wanted to share both sides of the story, and people

887
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: then started to assume things, and you know, pictures come

888
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: out and you're there, they're saying things and you I

889
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: think the one advice I would give was, you just

890
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: almost have to eat turds until it's done, Like you

891
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: just have to sit in it, sit through it, let

892
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: it settle, and then wisdom comes. Right in peace, wisdom comes,

893
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: and so once it's peaceful and it's settled and everything

894
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: has been played out, then you can respond. And I

895
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: think that's the one advice I would give now. Granted,

896
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: I don't know if I knew that advice back then,

897
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: because all I ever wanted to do was like screamed

898
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: from the rooftops, this is what happened. But my friends

899
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: and my family consistent, consistently remember this, told me, don't

900
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: do it, don't do it, stop, don't say a word.

901
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: And I didn't, and I never did, and I'm glad

902
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: I didn't. Now this isn't because I did anything right.

903
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: It was because the friends around me who cared for me,

904
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: who legitimately I think cared for me, said then, I know,

905
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: this feels like it's gonna feel better. And I know

906
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: this feels like how it's all going to be solved

907
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: and how everybody's now going to be quiet, But trust me,

908
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: it's not. Well that's a difference, but we did that's

909
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: the difference between and Blake. It sounds like that as

910
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: you listen to the people that cared about, here's you advice,

911
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: and on the flip side, he got advice from people

912
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 1: he cares about and vice versa, and still went against

913
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: that advice. Hey, I did something right, Dean. We talked

914
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: about earlier. That's that's cool. I did thanks man. Hey, Um,

915
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: we have to move on here because we do have

916
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: a special caller who loves hot sauce um to like

917
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: an oddly gross amount. And then we also have to

918
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: break down the episode real quick. Most of this episode

919
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: revolved kind of around Blake and kaalen Um and then

920
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: blake story with Christina. Uh. We do see some relationships forming,

921
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: We see some love in the air. Uh. Hannah Gee

922
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: and Dylan are definitely the ones that the America seems

923
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: to be rooting for right now. We also see analyze

924
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: stick up for Angela we talked about a little bit

925
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: last week. Um, but it kind of finishes this week, Dean,

926
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: why is that happening? Like, why does somebody on the

927
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: outside come in and feel like that is their place again?

928
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: Why can't you have these conversations offline? You're saying with

929
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: Analyies and Clay. Yeah, maybe they just don't have really

930
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: the opportunity to talk about it. I would assume that

931
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: Clay and Analyst aren't talking every day, are very often,

932
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: you know, So I don't even think I'm sure that,

933
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,479
Speaker 1: I'm sure that antliest probably didn't expect to see Clay

934
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: in Paradise and vice versa. I do know that the

935
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: guys are giving out the roses this week, so I

936
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: can maxcuse can't spoil anything. But um, that's that's a

937
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: tricky situation because what really bothered me about the Analyst

938
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: Clay situation is it's not up to Analyze to decide

939
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 1: when Clay is ready to move on. Clay Anilies was saying,

940
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: you broke up with Angela three months ago, you're not

941
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: ready to be here. It's not really her place to

942
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: say when Clay isn't isn't ready to move on? And

943
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: it sounds like maybe that Paradise was a good opportunity

944
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: to help it move on. Yeah, that's kind of what

945
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: I thought. I mean, there's there's obviously backstory still there

946
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: that we don't see. But Demmi uh is the first

947
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: to call analytes out in typical Demmi ways. She just

948
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: goes at it and she just says what she thinks.

949
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: I love that. She goes, uh, So, why did you

950
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: say that to Clay? And Anis goes, I didn't want to,

951
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: but I had to. And Dammy follows it up by saying,

952
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: well why, She's like, I feel like I didn't drop it.

953
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 1: She Normally people would be like, okay, but she's stuck

954
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 1: with it. It makes sense. It's like, if you didn't

955
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: want to do it, why did you do it? Yeah?

956
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: Like there isn't anything more there. Maybe the biggest story

957
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: Dean from Paradise and Twitter was blown up about it.

958
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: I think it might be the outside of a few

959
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: of the stories we've already talked about, one of the

960
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: big big things we gotta talk about. Why does Bibiona

961
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: continue not to find somebody on Paradise. It's a great question.

962
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: How does that happen? She's beautiful, she's great, she's a

963
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: terrific human. She's beautiful, she's sweet, she's cool. We talked

964
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, like, what is going on here? Uh,

965
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: that's a question I don't think I can really answer.

966
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really know her that well. Obviously

967
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: she's very physically attractive. Maybe she just doesn't vibele with

968
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: the people down there. Maybe she doesn't put forth quite

969
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: the effort um. It's not her it's not her arena

970
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: to operate in. It's tricky to say. I guess I

971
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: don't really know what her type is. I don't know.

972
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: Maybe that maybe the type that you see on Bachelor

973
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: in Paradise isn't necessarily who she would go for but

974
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: back in Florida, and so she doesn't really feel that

975
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 1: need or urged to commit to like pursuing a relationship

976
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: with anyone down there. Maybe she just likes going for

977
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: a couple of days and she you know, because she

978
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: was on Bachelor Winter Games with us. Actually now that

979
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: now that I think of it, Yeah she was. She

980
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: was great. Yeah, she's fantastic, she was wonderful. We love Bibiana. Uh,

981
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: speaking of relationships and speaking of an Ealese. Maybe one

982
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: of the most awkward moments I've ever seen in Bachelor Paradise,

983
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: And maybe it was just me. The kiss between Chris

984
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: Bukowski and Annaliese felt really awkward. Did you notice this?

985
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: I totally forgot they kiss, But yeah, now that they

986
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: think of it, you're right. They just look like neither

987
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: of them really wanted to do it, but it felt

988
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: like eight Tonight's roast ceremony, like I've got one shot

989
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: at this, Like, let's make this thing happen. And at

990
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: least did that with uh Chris Bukowski. I think Kalin

991
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: did that with Cam. I think that AKA did it

992
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: with John Paul Jones. You see a lot of those

993
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: like desperation kisses. Oh wow, you're right, I forgot the

994
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: Kalin and Cam deal. I think that deserves a little

995
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: bit more attention, a little bit more scrutiny. What do

996
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: you think about that, Dean? I think it's hilarious. I

997
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: mean it's like, you know, you're you're you're like kiss

998
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: him where you go home in that sense, I think,

999
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: and all three of those senses. So sometimes you just

1000
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: gotta close your eyes and pucker up and and hope

1001
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: for the best. Do you think Cam was just like

1002
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: what do you think Cam was thinking? He probably was

1003
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: on cloud nine. He's over the Moon ecstatics that dude literally,

1004
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: I mean I bet he literally like was walking on

1005
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: water that night. Oh absolutely, I'm excited to see their

1006
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: love story unfold. To be perfectly honest, where do we

1007
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: go from here? Do you think I think this guy

1008
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: is the limit for them too. They seem like they

1009
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: could be the next power couple coming out of Bachelor

1010
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: in Paradise. Do you think it even lasts five minutes

1011
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: into the next episode. I hope it does because it's

1012
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: gonna be good for the viewers, And honestly, like that

1013
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: type of funny relationship dynamic is gonna be a lot

1014
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: better to watch than Blake crying and Christine and Klin

1015
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: crying and everyone else like yelling at each other. I

1016
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: would much rather see that than just about anything else

1017
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: we've seen this far. That that does deserve more attention.

1018
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't think's getting enough attention. Like, how does that happen? Yeah,

1019
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: it's It almost reminds me of the sand Lot where uh,

1020
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: the kid goes in the pool and the lifeguard starts

1021
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: giving him, you know, mouth to mouth, and then all

1022
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden they're kissing, and he's like on cloud nine.

1023
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: It's his dream come true. It almost reminds me of

1024
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: that scene. That's pretty funny. It's different circumstances, but very similar,

1025
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: very similar in a lot of ways. Uh. Finally, the

1026
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: story that we have talked about before we bring on

1027
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: a really special guest is uh, you know, actually, let's

1028
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: bring her on to talk to her about this. We

1029
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: have Jane from Bachelor Paradise. Jane is best known for

1030
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: her hot sauce um and pouring the hot sauce down

1031
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: her throat. I want to talk to Jane about what

1032
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: she did to j p J. I was like literally

1033
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: on the floor laughing at this scene. It was one

1034
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: of the funniest things I've ever seen, just because of

1035
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: how bad she felt and how sick j p J was.

1036
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: But before we bring Jane on, let's take a little

1037
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: break to talk about sponsors. We have Jane out there

1038
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: on the line to talk about j p J. Jane.

1039
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Almost fame As podcast. Glad that you

1040
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 1: here today. I Jane Dean is the co host today.

1041
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: If you're wondering why Ashley's voice just sounds a little

1042
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: bit different, Uh, Jane, you had one of the most

1043
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 1: memorable scenes from this last episode. It might be of

1044
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: the funniest scenes I've ever seen on Paradise. You decided

1045
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: to swoop in on JPJ? Can you lead up to

1046
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: when your your love and your eyes started to go

1047
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: towards JPJ uh during your time on Paradise? Um? Sure,

1048
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, let's not go as far as

1049
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: saying love, but um yeah. I think it took me

1050
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: like times to kind of get out of my style

1051
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: on Paradise, just because I wasn't super familiar or for

1052
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: clothes with any of the girls for the guys. So

1053
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: the only person that I kind of felt like comfortable with,

1054
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 1: like talking to was jp J because he so easy going,

1055
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: mainly because every other word is yeah, yeah and cool

1056
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: and you know, so she's just so easy to sauce to.

1057
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, I definitely gravitated towards

1058
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: him because he just made me feel the most comfortable. Um.

1059
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: And that's how I kind of, you know, pulled into him.

1060
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: How did you what when did you find out that

1061
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Speaker 1: he was allergic to tacos? Oh my gosh, okay, he's

1062
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 1: not allergic to tacos. I don't want to be responsible

1063
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: for like killing anyone like that was traumatizing. Um. I

1064
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: think the problem is that it's really hot in Paradise

1065
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: and I really sicy. So when I hand you with

1066
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: taco and Paradise, if you can't take the heat, I mean,

1067
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: I guess like that's what it leads to. Do you

1068
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: want to really really ficy tacos. I'm not gonna lie,

1069
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: like I am the sic queen, and like even for me,

1070
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: dot taco was like super super super fiery hot. But

1071
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: like obviously, you know, being who I am, I was like, well,

1072
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: I can do it. And then I look over and

1073
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: JP is like where did this? Where did this affinity

1074
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: for hot sauce come from? When was this born? Um?

1075
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: I mean I just feel like you're born with it,

1076
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: Like you're either born with that spice or you're not.

1077
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: Like you can't just like develop it, like you just

1078
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: gotta love it. So I started like eating like spicy

1079
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: candy when I was like, or it's just candy called lucas.

1080
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: It's like Mexican candy and it's super super spicy, So

1081
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: that you know that's where it came from. What are

1082
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: your thoughts on hot cheetos? Oh my god, I living

1083
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: breathe hot cheetos. I don't know what am talking about

1084
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: just like the regular hot Cheetos, I'm talking about like

1085
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: the black that's like the extra extra extra I love them.

1086
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: I like, seriously have it for breakfast. You're extra extra

1087
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: hot spicy cheeto yourself. Jane, thank you very much, A

1088
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 1: complimented Jane. Where did you want to see the spice

1089
00:54:53,360 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: with JPJ? Actually go? Um, I feel like either so

1090
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,479
Speaker 1: little time in Paradise, everything is super rout. So I

1091
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: was just hoping, like because he was the one that

1092
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: I felt the most like open and comfortable with, Like

1093
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to explore where that could go, and I

1094
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,479
Speaker 1: wanted to see, um, you know, just like what could

1095
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: possibly develop because we have a pretty good set like friendships,

1096
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: and I was hoping like maybe something more would come

1097
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: out of it. I just didn't think what would be

1098
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: coming out was the taco from his like stomach. But

1099
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: that's a good way to be remembered. But there's really

1100
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: no scene in Bachelor and Paradise, Sister that I have

1101
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: last at this hard because it might be a little

1102
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: evil of me. And I'm starting to believe now with

1103
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: the spiders in my garage, that I have a little

1104
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 1: bit of evil inside of me. Um, because you feel

1105
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: so bad, like you're crushed, Like it almost looks like

1106
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: you're in tears because the guy that you're trying to

1107
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: go to date with is puking on the beach because

1108
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: of the talk go you gave him, so him tasting

1109
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: the taco made him puke as a result, you're crying, going,

1110
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: I didn't mean it to go like this, and I

1111
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: am at home dying laughing, and I was literally like,

1112
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: this isn't aspire m the plan, like you know, like

1113
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: I did not think you was, you know, like she

1114
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: just really couldn't have taken the heat. But you know what,

1115
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: you know what I will say my soul mate when

1116
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: I hand him a spicy taco, even if it's too

1117
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: spicy for him, like my man will take it down. Okay.

1118
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: So it just kind of showed me like, well, isn't

1119
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 1: my soul mate because she's got to be able to

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00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: stand the heat. And by the heat, I mean the

1121
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: taco and me. So you know, I love Davy Day.

1122
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: I guess you'll always be a friend. But you know,

1123
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: if you can't, you can't take the spice, and I

1124
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: guess you can't keep me either. I hope one day, Jane,

1125
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: you can find a man who enjoys the taco and

1126
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: your spice, me too. I hope, I don't hope I

1127
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 1: never have to like like cause anyone any food poisoning.

1128
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: I really did feel so bad though, like I don't.

1129
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: I don't know how much like the audience sees that

1130
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: I was hysterically crying. Did you never want to be

1131
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: responsible for someone puking their brains out at the beat

1132
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: And let's be really like the way Day Day did.

1133
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: It was like so like he tried to feel like

1134
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: really keep it some posts like cuke, I'm okay, cuke,

1135
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: I love good, you don't even worry about it, and

1136
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, day Day, I'm calling the ambulance. It was

1137
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: pretty commendable. He would puke and then walk back into

1138
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: the crowding like right up, and he's like I'm okay,

1139
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: I'm good. And then he's like ts all over it and

1140
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, you're not, Like I'm gonna go

1141
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: get you some water. I can't. It was so bad.

1142
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: It was really kaumatizing, Like it was so traumatizing. Yeah,

1143
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: I bet I'm just looking back on this right. And

1144
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: then Yaka comes in and event she's are like, oh no,

1145
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: what happened, and I'm like, oh crap, now I just

1146
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: made like, you know, her potential christ puke and I

1147
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: has to see him like that, and I'm just like,

1148
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: you know, I hope jp J doesn't hate me. I

1149
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: hope a Jago doesn't kill me, like you know what

1150
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I'd like to stay alive on this island. Yeah. Well, Jane,

1151
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: you're commendable, uh for sharing what you hoped was a

1152
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: beautiful dinner date with j P j um. I don't

1153
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: even know how to say. Quite honestly, I'm having a

1154
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: hard time summing this up because like all dirtiness aside.

1155
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 1: All I want to say is like Jane's tacos made

1156
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: j P j P. But that's so inappropriate. On how

1157
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: to end this, I don't want to say right now,

1158
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you want to cry right now. I

1159
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: know I really didn't feel so bad, but he totally

1160
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: came up to me after and he was like, I

1161
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: know it wasn't your fault, like you don't don't worry

1162
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: about it. I'm like, I don't even talk to been nice,

1163
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, I mean to throw up. I lived with

1164
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: kind so I couldn't even respond to him. And he

1165
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: like tries to comfort me as he's standing there like

1166
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: pay all, like sweaty, like tedtown Slider from everything just

1167
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: too Yeah, that's that's the real that's the real spirit

1168
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: of Paradise. In my opinion, that sequence of events is

1169
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: better than anything we've seen up until this point this

1170
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: season in Paradise. I appreciate that at least, you know,

1171
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: I you know, I am, I left my mark. Oh

1172
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: my card so bad. M Well, Jane, We wish you

1173
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: the best. We hope love is out there for you. Uh, Jane.

1174
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing your taco on Paradise and thank

1175
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: you for continue to be an advocate um for hot

1176
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: Sauce everywhere. Jane. We appreciate you. Thanks coming home as

1177
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: soon as podcast. Thank you so much. You guys are awesome.

1178
00:59:55,160 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: Keep de Spisy. That's wow. She loves it. She loves it.

1179
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: She's good at it. Honestly, Dean, I don't know how

1180
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: to like my middle school self came out there and

1181
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: like there was no ability to talk about this scenario

1182
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: without just like laughing, Like I just just but that's

1183
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: too much. That's why we want to watch Paradise is

1184
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: from things like that that make us laugh and that

1185
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: we have to really like take too seriously, you know,

1186
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: I agree. It felt fun to watch like that felt

1187
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: like it felt like a real scenario, Like it felt

1188
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: like something that would happen in real life. That's enjoyable

1189
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: that us as viewers get to live vicariously through. It's vulnerable,

1190
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: it's it's not threatening, and it's not the kind of

1191
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: heavy stuff that we've seen so far in Paris. I

1192
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: hope we get to it. This is the first we

1193
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: should note, Dean. This is the first season that Alan

1194
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: Gail hasn't been in charge of Paradise, and so the

1195
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: field and the look might be different than past seasons.

1196
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: And I think I'm interested to find out. Are they

1197
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: going to go more on the dramatic side, Are they

1198
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: gonna go more funny and like lighthearted? Where is this

1199
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: season going to go? Because you were in Paradise. I

1200
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: don't know if I can even have you answer, because

1201
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: I think your your answer probably pretty accurate to the

1202
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,959
Speaker 1: season is going to go well from what we've seen

1203
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: so far, I would say it's avery more on the

1204
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: side of drama. Yeah, does it turn around? Is my question? Like,

1205
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: does it reverse and start becoming more fun to watch?

1206
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: I can't. I think even if I had the ability

1207
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: like the open floor to answer that question, I don't

1208
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: think i'd be able to interesting lack of knowledge, you know, yeah, hey, no,

1209
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: go ahead, but Dean. To close out this podcast, we're

1210
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about the couples pairing up

1211
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: in Paradise. Uh no roads Tomay this week, but we

1212
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: did see Analysa and Careers hitting it off. Um their

1213
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: kids felt weird. We've said it. It's a little cringeworthy.

1214
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was just them not expecting

1215
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: to kiss or it being forced. Chris and Christina are

1216
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: talking Wills and Hannah g Um, but Hannah g does

1217
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: tell him not to waste the rose on her, so

1218
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: she is going to stay with Dylan. It looks like

1219
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: and Blake is lighting handles as we see um, and

1220
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: I think it's insinuating that Hannah g is going to

1221
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: be the one to to enjoy those candles. The other

1222
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: couples are Demian Derek. We've seen them kind of hit

1223
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: it off, um, Cam and Kalin. That seems to be

1224
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: a hot and steamy relationship that we'll see where that goes.

1225
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: We're excited for that one. And Um, I don't know

1226
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: who else. Who else is in Paradise hitting it off

1227
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: right now? That's a good question. Who's uh Sidney hitting

1228
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: off with? Who's Katie hitting it off with? Still pretty early,

1229
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: It's still pretty early. I think there is a lot

1230
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: more couples to come. Um listeners please. Emails have been

1231
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: an Ashley uh i heeart media dot com and then

1232
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: also tag us on Instagram almost from his podcast. Let

1233
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: us know who you want to see couple up? Also,

1234
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: any couples that you're just totally against right now? Do

1235
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: you think it's absolutely crazy? Let's know that as well. Hey,

1236
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna take some listener emails. Dina is gonna stick

1237
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: around for it. It's been a great podcast. But before

1238
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: we do, let's take one last break to talk about

1239
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: our sponsors. Listener emails one of our favorite times of

1240
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: the almost Famous podcast. We've got a lot this week.

1241
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: As you can imagine, opinions are fiery. We've got so

1242
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 1: many opinions coming off of Paradise it's a little bit overwhelming.

1243
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: That's why we do two episodes. Now, do you get that? Like,

1244
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: because of how much response we have to this podcast,

1245
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: now we're pumping out more podcast I'm a big fan

1246
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: of it. Thank you for taking up, you know, three

1247
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: hours of my week instead of just one and a half. Now.

1248
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: But hey, that's uh, that's what we talked about later.

1249
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: Isabella writes in thoughts on these b I P girls

1250
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: Because I love Christina. I want her to find love

1251
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: so bad. Do you think you's gonna try again with

1252
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: Dean or is Dean going to try again with her? Also,

1253
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: I want to hear your guys opinion on Klin because

1254
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: there's never really a huge fan of hers. Thoughts. Okay,

1255
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: we've talked about Calin enough. I think we can skip

1256
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: over that. But Dean, are you gonna go after Christina?

1257
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: I guess you're just gonna have to tune in to

1258
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: find out to see if me and Christina could potentially

1259
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: pick up where we left off Paradise. Oh, I bet

1260
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,479
Speaker 1: there's a love story behind that. Oh that's what's gonna

1261
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: be fun about next week? Is you got to see

1262
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: me come into the beach that we go? I would

1263
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: assume it's next week. I actually don't know, but I

1264
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: think it is little deaners popping down the stairs. Yeah,

1265
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: nothing's better, hey, Megan writes in Dean, this is a

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Speaker 1: great question for you betting situation at b I P.

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01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: So obviously everyone is sweaty and it's humid, and there's

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01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: constantly people leaving in arriving, so they need to know

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01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: how often did this change? Sheets get changed during paradise.

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01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: It's a good question. I mean, the beds get made

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01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: every day. I guess I could paint the picture picture

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01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: for you this way. There is three sleeping areas there.

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01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: There's the guy sleeping area, the girls sleeping area, and

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01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: then there's a new arrival sleeping area. So say there's

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01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: four new arrivals in a week, they will sleep in

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01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: the new arrivals area, and then when the people leave

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01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: from the old room, they will fill their spot in

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01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: that one. And I guess I've never actually thought to

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01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: ask if the sheets are being replaced in there. I've

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01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: always just kind of assumed. I've never really been one

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01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: to care, so maybe it doesn't really affect me too much.

1282
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: But every time I went to bed, my bed was made,

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01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: my clothes were I think we're folded on top of

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01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: my bed. Um. It's it's basically like a hotel, you know,

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01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: like a hotel outside on the beach. Yeah, okay, okay, well,

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01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Yeah, I wonder you would think there would

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01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: be who knows. I mean there's always saying in the

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01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: bed I hear. But uh, just to give a little picture,

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01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: Paradise isn't a bad place to be. You probably enjoy it,

1290
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: but it's not like luxurious, it's not. I mean, it's

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01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: a nice resort. There are there's air conditioning in the

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01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: boom boom rooms, which maybe adds the incentive to go

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01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: in there with the potential partner. But the rooms that

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01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: you sleep in by yourself or or you know, with

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01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: your fellow guys or girls. For them, it's unair conditioned.

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01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: You're you know, it's it's humid, it's sweaty. You've got

1297
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: like these kind of these it's you blank gets it's

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01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: less than ideal, but it's it could be a lot worse.

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01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: Like it's not bad. It's not as nice as the van,

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01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: is it. It's not the van sleeping can set up

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01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: is pretty uh pretty pretty nice. I gotta say that

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01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:18,919
Speaker 1: you can join me one of these days. I would

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01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: like to know. I think I'm going to I think

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01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: we we we got to use the van at some point.

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01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: Um Jane writes in says there's a conversation between Wills

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01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: and Blake, and which Will's asks Blake if he admitted

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01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: to Caitlin being a mistake. In Blake's responses, I guess

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01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: hints that Blake did say it. Dean, what do you

1309
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,479
Speaker 1: think do you think that was a scene where Blake

1310
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: was still just so caught up in what was going

1311
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: on that he didn't know how to respond, or do

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01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: you think he really did say the Calyn was a mistake.

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01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: That's hard to say. I could see it both ways.

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01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: I could see him hearing Calin say that he said that,

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01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: and then so he thinks that maybe he said it,

1316
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: but I also could see him actually saying it and

1317
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,439
Speaker 1: forgetting it. And then like, look, if if I woke

1318
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: up after hooking up with someone and they leaned over

1319
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: and they said, wow, this is a mistake, I would

1320
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: for sure remember that. If I woke up next to

1321
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: someone leaned over and I said, oh, this was a mistake,

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01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: I would probably forget that. So the point is saying it,

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01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: I would forget it. Hearing it, I would a percent

1324
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: remember it. Yeah. Um, again, it's hard to take either

1325
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: of these people at their word. Blake and Kalin, given

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01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: what we know and seeing what we've seen, but given

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01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: what I just kind of laid out, I would say

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01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: that it was said. Maybe not that she was a mistake,

1329
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: but maybe the hookup was a mistake. I remember, had

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01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: anybody tell you your mistake, Dean? Yes, just let you

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01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: know that you're not you, not one at all. That's

1332
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: really kind. I wish. I wish I would have screenshot

1333
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: of those text messages and blasted them all over my

1334
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: social when I saw it when I heard that, but

1335
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: alas I did not. That would embarrass me if you

1336
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: did that. Actually, are good for Nick Vvile just tweeted

1337
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: something while we were in that commercial break. I was

1338
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: going through Twitter, uh, and I just want to share

1339
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,919
Speaker 1: it real quick. Is that okay? That's fine, he says.

1340
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: I haven't always loved my portrayal on TV. During that time,

1341
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: I had text conversations that could have changed people's opinions

1342
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: of my intentions. However, it could have potentially come at

1343
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 1: the price of others. I didn't share. I took my beating,

1344
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: I moved on. I'm better for it. That's what Nick said,

1345
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: and I agree with it. I admire that. I think

1346
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: that that's how it should be done. How do you

1347
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: feel about it? I just think like all these people

1348
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 1: publicly responding to this still is just different for me.

1349
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: I don't get. I don't I mean, I don't know.

1350
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: I retweeted it is that Okay, that's fine, Okay, I

1351
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: mean I have a But then again, I sit here

1352
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: and I'm like, why are these people publicly talking about

1353
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:53,560
Speaker 1: it I'm talking about on a podcast? I don't know.

1354
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: I feel like I kind of I inserted myself a

1355
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: little bit with my tweet yesterday, something along the lines

1356
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 1: of a public figure shouldn't share a private tech conversation

1357
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: and how it's a failed attempt to salvage his fragile ego.

1358
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: Like I'm kind of inserting myself into a situation that

1359
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 1: I don't really belong in. I think that we just

1360
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: kind of feel like we're, uh, we're we're kind of

1361
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 1: part of it in a sense, you know, like you

1362
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: host this podcast, I was part of Bachelor in paradiseasan six. Yeah. Well,

1363
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,560
Speaker 1: I think that for the most part, Well, you significantly

1364
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: more than me, are upstanding moral citizens, and just like

1365
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: you see something that doesn't nessarily align with your morals,

1366
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: you kind of like want to speak out about it.

1367
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: A little bit. Yeah. I mean I've done it right.

1368
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: I've done it to political figures. I've done it to

1369
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: celebrities before, where I've said I disagree with things, I

1370
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: I get it, I will, And then then again, I

1371
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: sometimes do forget that this podcast is of I mean,

1372
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,440
Speaker 1: our podcast has almost as many listeners as I do followers,

1373
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 1: So like I guess when I talk about on the podcast,

1374
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: I talked about it publicly. I just forget. This isn't

1375
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: just like you and I talking and other people will

1376
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: be joining in on this conversation. Speaking of that, Hey,

1377
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: if you're joining in on this conversation, I want know

1378
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 1: who you are, Please tweet me or something like. I

1379
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: feel like I'm talking to Dean and Ashley every week

1380
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: in this room and it's great and it's fun. I

1381
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: just need more friends, so like, let me know that

1382
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: we're friends, or just let me know that you hate me,

1383
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: but just let me know you're out there. Then I'm

1384
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: your friends. I do have to say one thing. It

1385
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: was brought to my attention by Tory, our producer, here

1386
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: about the whole Nick tweet that I just read out loud.

1387
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: She writes on the note, didn't nicko public with sex

1388
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: with Andy and it makes sense. He Yeah, yeah, he did,

1389
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: didn't he. I still agree with what he said. I

1390
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: was actually thinking about unretweeting it. It's like, it's like

1391
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: what he's known for, isn't it. I'm gonna go. I

1392
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: don't want to hate on him here, but it's not

1393
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: like he's She's not wrong, right, I agree with what

1394
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: he said, but I do see the kind of irony

1395
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: and the hypocrisy in that a little bit. Anyways, Yeah,

1396
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: I wonder if anybody else listeners will point that out,

1397
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: Like I wonder if people like watching the tweets we

1398
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: even remember I hadn't like, that's not where my mind went. Um,

1399
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: But Tori, as usual, you're the engine that makes this

1400
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 1: thing move along with the rest of the team here

1401
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: at I Heeart and the talking heads on the podcast

1402
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 1: really have no clue what we're talking about. Hey, next

1403
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: email says Chris B. This is an interesting one, and

1404
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: it's kind of fun to talk about. Chris B. Seems

1405
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: so much older than everyone else in Paradise, right. I

1406
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:22,759
Speaker 1: mean that's what we assume, but he is the exact

1407
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: same age as Derek, they say. I just feel like

1408
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 1: it should be put out there that that emails from Hillary.

1409
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: Were you are you friends with Chris? Uh? He lives

1410
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 1: in Denver. I've met him like on the street once,

1411
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: like we're at the same restaurant and so no, I

1412
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: don't know him at all, Like I have zero Like

1413
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: we've talked at the restaurant probably fifteen minutes and moved on.

1414
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 1: I mean, it is crazy. He was on Emily Maynard season.

1415
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 1: We laugh and we joke and how old he is

1416
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: and how many years he's been on the show and

1417
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: all this, but he is like the same. I mean,

1418
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 1: I don't know how old Derek is, but I bet

1419
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: they're both younger. Hey, Torrid Daniel, can we get an

1420
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: age on Chris b I bet he's younger than Nick.

1421
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: I think it's I think thirty two. Yeah, I mean

1422
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,600
Speaker 1: thirty two is what who else is thirty two that

1423
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 1: we could compare him to on the show. Derek is

1424
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: definitely thirty two. So Christie is thirty two years old.

1425
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: So when he did the show, he was twenty five,

1426
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: which was how old I did I was. It's just

1427
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: been such a long time since he did it last

1428
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: that it feels like he might be older. Yeah, Like

1429
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: he's not even maybe the oldest guy in Paradise. I

1430
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,719
Speaker 1: don't think Chris is thirty two as well, that's wild.

1431
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: Kris Pukowski is thirty two. Yeah, I mean there's a

1432
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: lot of guys in their thirties that are doing this show.

1433
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: I mean you have Nick, and you have Chris, Souls

1434
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: and you have Ari. I mean those are some past

1435
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: bachelors that I can point out that are older than that.

1436
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: Um Clay is thirty. Yeah, it's weird. There's a bunch

1437
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,719
Speaker 1: of thirty year olds down there on the beach this year. Yeah,

1438
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,879
Speaker 1: you know, he belongs thirty two and you belong as

1439
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: is thirty four. So she she is the the oldest

1440
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: person in UM in Paradise, older than Chris Pukowski. Wow. Crazy? Hey, Uh, okay,

1441
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: let's do one more here. Um. Actually, they're all about

1442
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,640
Speaker 1: Blake and I'm kind of done. I'm done with this conversation.

1443
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 1: I think we've we've hard done enough. I think the

1444
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 1: summary to all of this is, uh, you know, the

1445
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 1: truth is, there's two sides every story. Uh. We have

1446
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: to stay curious as friends, family listeners in life. I

1447
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: think so that we we don't jump to assumptions. But sharing,

1448
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: I think we're coming on this podcast. What Dean is

1449
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 1: saying is sharing text at any level, at any moment

1450
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: that are personal seems like a huge step over the

1451
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: kind of the the unspoken rule of privacy, and it's

1452
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 1: just completely invasive. That's what you're saying, Dean. What I'm

1453
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 1: saying is I don't want to watch anymore again. Like

1454
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: I don't watch Paradise to see this kind of stuff.

1455
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 1: I watch Paradise to see J. P J. Puking on

1456
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,759
Speaker 1: a beach over James Taco. Like that's what I watch.

1457
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I want to see more of that.

1458
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 1: I want to see more James Taco making J p J. Puke.

1459
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: I don't think so. That's actually my listener email this

1460
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: week to the almost famous podcast from Ben. Why don't

1461
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: we get to see more of this kind of stuff? Dean? Hey,

1462
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: you're great as always. I love you, buddy. I cannot

1463
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: wait to watch you Imparadise. I hope um this love

1464
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 1: story plays out for you. I hope there is an

1465
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:24,759
Speaker 1: amazing future Um that you are now um pursuing post

1466
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: show and uh hey for next week. We wish all

1467
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: these cast members the best of luck. We're rooting for

1468
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 1: the Hannah and Dylans of the world. We're rooting for

1469
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: the Demi, and Derek's rooting for the Cam and Kalin's

1470
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 1: who who with that? Dean follow my lead here, Buddy,

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Speaker 1: I've been been, I've been. Actually, no, you haven't been.

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Speaker 1: Dean later. Follow the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous

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