Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Batch A Happy Hour. I'm
Speaker 1: Joe and we are back for part two with Clayton.
Speaker 2: Clayton, welcome back. Let's get into it.
Speaker 1: What what what is your opinion? Did you watch Grant's finale? Uh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, I was there.
Speaker 1: So well, I didn't know if they was. What's your
Speaker 1: what was your opinion on how he handled it?
Speaker 3: I thought he handled it well.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I got at one point
Speaker 3: a bit triggered during the finale because listen, I saw
Speaker 3: both sides. I could understand where Letia was coming from,
Speaker 3: but I also, you know, thought she could have went
Speaker 3: about it a bit differently. I think that she just
Speaker 3: really dug into him deeper than she needed to. And
Speaker 3: and to me, I said, I was you know, he
Speaker 3: was apologizing, and I'm like, yeah, he made mistakes, but
Speaker 3: like I think you're just kicking someone when they're down
Speaker 3: again my perspective, because I had felt that, you know,
Speaker 3: somebody did that to me, you know, on my IFR
Speaker 3: and I wasn't you know, a fan of that. I'm like, listen,
Speaker 3: I'm wrong, and I'm sorry or you know, I upset you,
Speaker 3: but I I just felt like she took it a
Speaker 3: bit too far, but then again, like she did what
Speaker 3: she thought was best, and I don't like hold I'm
Speaker 3: not holding it against her. I just I of course
Speaker 3: I related to him because like I sat there and
Speaker 3: was like they brought me here because he did something
Speaker 3: similar to me, so naturally, Like I was like, I
Speaker 3: get where he's at. And I think he you know,
Speaker 3: said like hey, I'm sorry and handled it and didn't
Speaker 3: try to, like, you know, over explain himself. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know, that's the best you can do. But I
Speaker 3: understand where she's coming from too, you know. It's just
Speaker 3: it's like, I don't nothing she did was wrong. I
Speaker 3: just I kind of felt similar to him, Like I
Speaker 3: was like, wow, I'm sitting in their audience, but I
Speaker 3: was like I almost feel like I'm in like back
Speaker 3: on the hot seat, watching like me from three years ago,
Speaker 3: you know. And so it's just a weird moment.
Speaker 4: But you know, I think in that situation, what we
Speaker 4: got to see with you a little bit more that
Speaker 4: we didn't get the chance to see in Grant Latia's conversation.
Speaker 4: This could have just been due to timing. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's so short, is I was waiting for them to
Speaker 4: address the why with Grant and Letia, like why did
Speaker 4: you do this? Why did you say this? And I
Speaker 4: feel like, again, it very well could have just been
Speaker 4: like it's a short conversation and you don't get there
Speaker 4: and that's a bigger, deeper conversation. But I do feel
Speaker 4: like we got more of that with you, like you
Speaker 4: were always keen to say like I did this and
Speaker 4: like expand on like this is why I thought that
Speaker 4: was a good idea at the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again, like it's that's why unless you're
Speaker 3: Grant or Latia, like you don't really know what was
Speaker 3: all said. So it's like this he says this, she
Speaker 3: says this in the middle is the reality and the truth.
Speaker 3: But again, like the truth is also dependent upon like
Speaker 3: it's skewed by perspective, and so you know, we can
Speaker 3: only judge based off what, you know, what we hear
Speaker 3: in seeing that moment. So ultimately, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't see one of them as right
Speaker 3: or one of them as wrong. It just yeah, it's
Speaker 3: like we don't know, like there could be one bit
Speaker 3: of context that if added would completely sway my opinion.
Speaker 3: You know, like I say that I associated or you know,
Speaker 3: you know, associated more with Grant, but like had an
Speaker 3: additional piece of information but put out there where it's
Speaker 3: like here's he is on camera saying this exact thing
Speaker 3: that you know. It's like, oh, okay, well now I'm
Speaker 3: over on Team Latia right, Like I don't it could
Speaker 3: switch that quickly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you get anxiety going to the finales. You have
Speaker 4: to have a little bit just like a bodily response
Speaker 4: being back in that room at that time with a finale.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I feel like whenever I watch like
Speaker 4: certain episodes of the show, I feel a type of way,
Speaker 4: like whenever I watch Hometowns every season, I feel like
Speaker 4: a little type of way.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I actually, Susie was at the finale, sitting right
Speaker 3: in front of me, and I like between the breaks,
Speaker 3: I leaned forward and I was like, yeah, this is
Speaker 3: bringing up some old feelings. I was like, this isn't
Speaker 3: really fun anymore. You know, Like it got to a
Speaker 3: point where it was so tense at the finale that
Speaker 3: I was just like, yeah, I'm starting to feel triggered
Speaker 3: a bit and like not enough where I was like
Speaker 3: I need to walk out of here. But I was
Speaker 3: just like, ugh, like I got this pit in my
Speaker 3: stomach where I'm like I don't like seeing you know,
Speaker 3: basically it's like pick a side, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: you know, both people did some things right and did
Speaker 3: some things wrong, and probably you know, they could share
Speaker 3: the blame, but unfortunately, you know, it's it makes sense
Speaker 3: from a show perspective to like how people choose sides
Speaker 3: because that fosters conversation. It's like we don't want it
Speaker 3: to be like, oh, everyone's you know, equally at blame
Speaker 3: and that's it. No, like they want you know, people
Speaker 3: to be you know, things to be sparked, and so
Speaker 3: like that's what's happening right now. I mean we're looking
Speaker 3: at the post show. You know, I've seen like clips
Speaker 3: and stuff off they're asking now what Grant thinks about
Speaker 3: Latia's response and vice versa, and it's like here comes
Speaker 3: like the you know, really them hammering down and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: you can choose to like stand firm on your side.
Speaker 3: This is what keeps people talking and that's ultimately what
Speaker 3: you know, the show wants, and I get it. So
Speaker 3: it's like hard because you're just like I want us
Speaker 3: all to be friends, but I don't think that can happen.
Speaker 4: What was it like seeing Susie?
Speaker 3: Her and I have like seen each other so many
Speaker 3: times since the show and have had conversations on the phone,
Speaker 3: Like that wasn't like I hadn't seen her in three years.
Speaker 3: I think I saw her, I think six months prior
Speaker 3: to that point, we did a podcast together, you know,
Speaker 3: to me like she's an old friend, you know, or
Speaker 3: she's still a friend. But I ultimately know that, like,
Speaker 3: you know, we we tried to make it work and
Speaker 3: then ultimately it's just like, hey this we're not compatible.
Speaker 3: So now, I mean, she's one of the few people
Speaker 3: that knows more than most people know because I told
Speaker 3: her everything. She lived it with me, So there's a
Speaker 3: lot of things that are unsaid where I can just
Speaker 3: spark up a conversation with her and she gets it,
Speaker 3: you know. So it's always great to see her, you know,
Speaker 3: and it's it's like a friend they're like, oh, hey,
Speaker 3: like you get it. So I'm always happy to see her.
Speaker 3: But there's you know, there's no chance of that ever rekindling,
Speaker 3: at least I don't think so. It would. It would
Speaker 3: be a surprise.
Speaker 1: I will say though in in he said, like they
Speaker 1: were reminded you of like your situation of kind of
Speaker 1: being like kicked when you're down. But I think from
Speaker 1: like Latilla's point of view, she's probably looking at Grant
Speaker 1: like you kind of have everything right now, like you're
Speaker 1: in a happy relationship, you're engaged. You might yeah, you
Speaker 1: might be getting a little bit of backlash, but like
Speaker 1: I I was planning on, like I wanted to marry
Speaker 1: you and potentially have kids with you, and you led
Speaker 1: me on this whole way. So yeah, I'm gonna kick
Speaker 1: you even if you are down. And I think your
Speaker 1: situation is a little different because like you you got
Speaker 1: a lot of hate, Like you got like way too
Speaker 1: much hate. Yeah, and you got a lot of it
Speaker 1: where I don't really I don't think Grant really did.
Speaker 1: Like there's definitely some people that are like pro Latilla,
Speaker 1: but I just don't think the it's it's the same
Speaker 1: as in your case. Like you you like the Internet,
Speaker 1: I you know, and I don't want to like bring
Speaker 1: up old feelings or anything, but I feel like the
Speaker 1: Internet like they kind of like went after you, like
Speaker 1: from the fucking jump.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean they did. They and unfortunately, you know,
Speaker 3: it was like, get we're looking for a reason to
Speaker 3: hate this guy, you know, and it went all the
Speaker 3: way back to you know, I was chosen over six
Speaker 3: minut of color, and that was already tense. You know.
Speaker 3: People were already like why did you choose this guy
Speaker 3: over the over them? And I thought the same thing.
Speaker 3: I'm like, they're all deserving. I ultimately I accepted the role, though,
Speaker 3: but it was I was already at a deficit, you know,
Speaker 3: at that point. That was a you know thing that
Speaker 3: I saw online quite a bit. And then once I
Speaker 3: actually you know, gave them something to dislike, it was
Speaker 3: like there it is. We knew this guy was a
Speaker 3: piece of shit, and so they basically just leveled into
Speaker 3: me and it was like, let's cancel this guy. I
Speaker 3: mean that's seriously like it was just like at any
Speaker 3: people were just looking to have an excuse. And I
Speaker 3: mean the messages that I got, the hate messages to
Speaker 3: kill yourself comments, I mean I got them by the thousands,
Speaker 3: and it was, you know, just a lot. But you know,
Speaker 3: to go back to yeah, I mean again, you have
Speaker 3: to understand I didn't watch the season, so like I
Speaker 3: didn't see the context, So like Letia, I'm not saying she,
Speaker 3: I just I think going off of one episode live,
Speaker 3: I felt the feeling of being in the hot seat
Speaker 3: like Grant was, and really related to that and was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I get it, like he said some stuff and he
Speaker 3: apparently said these things that are off camera that weren't shared,
Speaker 3: you know, and like he's happy with somebody right now,
Speaker 3: but like instead, it's like you're almost sowing seeds of
Speaker 3: doubt into the mind of the person that he's with,
Speaker 3: which like I don't like that. It's like he's found somebody.
Speaker 3: But to your point, it's like, you know, he's basically
Speaker 3: on top of the world and has his person and
Speaker 3: she's left in second place with nothing right like, and
Speaker 3: so it's like could she you know, She's like, hey,
Speaker 3: you got everything and ultimately got to do what you
Speaker 3: did and still come out victorious and I basically get
Speaker 3: kicked to the curb. I'm sure. I mean again, that's
Speaker 3: probably what it feels like. So you know, is it justified?
Speaker 3: I mean could be. Yeah. Again, I don't like, I
Speaker 3: just can only go off of like that one, you
Speaker 3: know episode, So I certainly don't like I don't want
Speaker 3: people to think that. I'm like, oh, it was wrong.
Speaker 3: I just am saying I related to like how he
Speaker 3: felt in that moment, and I was like, okay, like
Speaker 3: I get it, but like he's happy now, Like I
Speaker 3: don't think you need to keep sowing these seeds of
Speaker 3: doubt and Juliana's mind because now what happens when she's like, wait,
Speaker 3: she wasn't aware of this. Now she might end up
Speaker 3: breaking up with the guy. And he's already struggling. I knew.
Speaker 3: I mean, he was struggling with a lot of the
Speaker 3: criticism online. So I was like this guy, like don't
Speaker 3: I don't want to see him go to a place
Speaker 3: that I like that I went to, you know. So
Speaker 3: it was more out of like me. I was more
Speaker 3: like in a protective statement, like I get like, don't
Speaker 3: keep trying to bury him. This guy's clearly struggling. I mean,
Speaker 3: I can see his post online. He struggles with the
Speaker 3: criticism and rightfully, so I mean, like I get it
Speaker 3: just the same way I did. But I'm like, I
Speaker 3: can tell he's really hurting. I'm like, just like, don't
Speaker 3: do this to him, because if you tear him down
Speaker 3: and then like God forbid, you get you know, Juliana
Speaker 3: to like leave him. He's going to be in a
Speaker 3: really bad place, and I'm like I don't want to
Speaker 3: see that. So like just he's learned, Like can we
Speaker 3: just move on? Like that's kind of where it was at.
Speaker 3: I was like, I didn't like that. I felt like
Speaker 3: she was shoving him down deeper into a place where
Speaker 3: it's like you're gonna put him into a bad valley.
Speaker 3: But again, like nobody really knows like how badly someone's
Speaker 3: hurting until they're in their own mind. I just felt
Speaker 3: like I was like, oh, I can see Grants already hurting.
Speaker 3: I don't want this to get worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes sense, and I think you could sympathize
Speaker 1: with both both people and especially you because you were
Speaker 1: in that situation.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I get that.
Speaker 4: You obviously have you know, had to change mindset about
Speaker 4: your time on the show. But naturally there's still going
Speaker 4: to be elements that are and maybe always will be
Speaker 4: hard to look back on or still triggering. At this time,
Speaker 4: people are.
Speaker 1: Gonna listen to this podcast and be like they're gonna
Speaker 1: pull one thing you said.
Speaker 2: It'd be like we still hate.
Speaker 3: They're gonna they're gonna pull that first section of me
Speaker 3: saying I didn't agree with it, was like, how dare
Speaker 3: he already know.
Speaker 2: What typical typical Clayton's.
Speaker 3: They're not gonna They're not going to listen to the
Speaker 3: back half of this conversation. I guarantee you They'll take
Speaker 3: that clip and it'll find its way on Reddit because
Speaker 3: that's the place where like I'm like, that's where they'll go,
Speaker 3: and so I'm like, go go for it. They will
Speaker 3: clip that one part and be like, see he hasn't learned.
Speaker 3: I don't give a ship, but like they will a
Speaker 3: thousand percent. I mean again, every time I have one
Speaker 3: a camera, it's like they're just going to clip whatever
Speaker 3: they want to, you know, get get someone riled up.
Speaker 4: I hate that. But with that being said, would you
Speaker 4: ever consider going on Paradise within like something again within
Speaker 4: the franchise or any other dating shows?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I mean absolutely. You know, I've got to
Speaker 3: a place where I'm just like, hey, I don't want
Speaker 3: to live a normal life, and I haven't really at
Speaker 3: this point so far. So I was like, I want
Speaker 3: to just look back at the end of it all.
Speaker 3: You know. It's like when people lay on their deathbeds
Speaker 3: it's like, what are their biggest regrets. They're like, I
Speaker 3: wish I'd taken more risks, and I wish I would
Speaker 3: care less what people thought. So I'm like, okay, Like
Speaker 3: that's a great life lesson if that's what's being said
Speaker 3: by the majority of people. I never want to get
Speaker 3: to that place and be one of them. So I'm
Speaker 3: going to do everything I can so that when I
Speaker 3: lay on my deathbed, neither of those things come out
Speaker 3: of my mouth. And I feel like I've gotten to
Speaker 3: a place where I don't care about stranger's criticism anymore.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, okay, cool, you have that and now
Speaker 3: live a life with no regrets, you know I I
Speaker 3: and so that way, you're not going to be like
Speaker 3: I wish i'd did more. I'm like, no, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: do more, so I don't have to, you know, look
Speaker 3: back and be one of those people. So, yeah, I
Speaker 3: would do it.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, well, so we might see you on
Speaker 1: another dating show in the future, maybe Paradise.
Speaker 3: It's possible, man, anything is possible. I always have some
Speaker 3: surprises of my sleeve.
Speaker 2: I do like and I know it. It's like live
Speaker 2: life with no regrets.
Speaker 1: It's like kind of a cliche, but like also like
Speaker 1: I truly believe that is how you.
Speaker 2: Should live life. And I also don't.
Speaker 1: I think like people say, like I live with no regrets,
Speaker 1: but most people like don't do it, or if they
Speaker 1: do it, it's it's you know, they maybe do it
Speaker 1: to like a you know, a thirty percent max. Where
Speaker 1: like if you really live with no regrets, that's the
Speaker 1: way to live.
Speaker 4: Is that what's inspired? Like, for example, you're dancing, Like,
Speaker 4: was that the mentality shift that kind of inspired you
Speaker 4: to start trying new things?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I got to a place where I said, if you
Speaker 3: stop caring about people's opinions, what would you do? And
Speaker 3: I was like, well, dancing. I've always wanted to dance.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, like I love women that can dance.
Speaker 3: I think it's so attractive, and it's a very vulnerable
Speaker 3: place to be, you know, to put to put your
Speaker 3: body out there and move your body like it's one
Speaker 3: of the most vulnerable things you can do in my opinion.
Speaker 3: So for me it was like a challenge. I thought, hey,
Speaker 3: like I'll do this, and then I was shocked at
Speaker 3: what it did to my confidence and my overall self love.
Speaker 3: I mean, dance has changed my life, like legitimately changed
Speaker 3: my life. I've I've found a newer sense of style,
Speaker 3: a greater appreciation for the creative arts. I found a
Speaker 3: community within that They're open minded. Dancers are like super
Speaker 3: open minded and super positive. They're just like happy that
Speaker 3: you're doing their passion, you know, And like I got
Speaker 3: dancers that are like ten times a million times better
Speaker 3: than me, and they are the biggest hype men and
Speaker 3: women because they're just so happy that someone else is
Speaker 3: partaking in their favorite, you know, passion, and so there's
Speaker 3: so much love and just connection and support that I'm like,
Speaker 3: these are the kind of people that, you know, fill
Speaker 3: my cup and you know, that's why I go there
Speaker 3: four times a week now. I love being a part
Speaker 3: of it. My dance instructor is super awesome. She's you know,
Speaker 3: been my therapist at times. Like sometimes we'll just be
Speaker 3: dancing and I will half the time I'll be talking.
Speaker 3: I won't even dance because it's like movement therapy, and
Speaker 3: so it really was a form of therapy. So yeah,
Speaker 3: like that certainly was you know, dancing for me was like,
Speaker 3: what's something that I can do that It's really hard?
Speaker 3: But that like, I can, you know, challenge myself to
Speaker 3: do just to like, just to see if I can
Speaker 3: do it, And dance became that avenue, and then you know,
Speaker 3: I started getting really great feedback online from people. And
Speaker 3: again I get a lot of blowbacks. Still, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm not, you know, I don't think I'm the best dancer.
Speaker 3: I'm very aware. I think people are like, does he
Speaker 3: think he's good? I'm like, I know, how good of
Speaker 3: a dancer? I am like, I'm not. I can see,
Speaker 3: you know, the best dancers out there, and then I
Speaker 3: can see my videos and I'm not like, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: we're like we're close, you know, like it's not no,
Speaker 3: like it's like these people that have dedicated their live
Speaker 3: to it, they're way better. I'm a stiff dancer. I
Speaker 3: also see I get more shares than likes. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I know why you're sharing it. You're sending to your
Speaker 3: friends to make fun of me. That's fine, But like
Speaker 3: I also look at it as if like, well, hopefully
Speaker 3: one day you all will see when three years from now,
Speaker 3: I'm still dancing, You'll and I'll be good, you know,
Speaker 3: because I'm like, at some point I'm gonna get there
Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, she's good, and then they're gonna
Speaker 3: be like, damn, I've just made fun of this guy
Speaker 3: for the last four years and haven't you know, progressed
Speaker 3: in life, and he's over here actually good, you know,
Speaker 3: really good. Now, maybe I should stop caring about what
Speaker 3: people think, because maybe, like if I just kept doing
Speaker 3: things without worrying about people's opinions, I could see similar success.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, that's not why I'm dancing fully, but
Speaker 3: I also that's why I'm documenting a lot of it
Speaker 3: because I want people to see, like, hey, every amateur
Speaker 3: expert was once an amateur. You got to start somewhere,
Speaker 3: and if you just block out the noise, eventually you know,
Speaker 3: you can get to where you want to go. And
Speaker 3: I want people to just to not be fearful and like, oh,
Speaker 3: he did it, so I can do it. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: you can see my all my videos, like from the
Speaker 3: very beginning. I'm not taking them down, you know, from
Speaker 3: the first dance video I did, you know, it's like
Speaker 3: look at the progression, like and it took time. You know,
Speaker 3: it's for me. People like that's as far as you've
Speaker 3: gotten in two years. I'm like, great, that's good if
Speaker 3: that's what you think, because maybe it'll take me five years.
Speaker 3: But the point is is if you see me five
Speaker 3: years later and I'm actually decent, it's like, well, hey,
Speaker 3: that should go to show you that maybe you should
Speaker 3: stop listening to random people's opinions and just go do it.
Speaker 3: And it might not, you know, change overnight, but maybe
Speaker 3: five years from now you'll get some success. So I
Speaker 3: guess in a way, I'm like, I want That's why
Speaker 3: I'm you know, documenting it. I'm like, this is what
Speaker 3: your social media allows me to do, is like put
Speaker 3: it out there to show people like, hey, once you
Speaker 3: get over the fear of failure and the fear of
Speaker 3: you know, judgment, you know, you can do some pretty
Speaker 3: cool things.
Speaker 1: Guys motivating me right now Jesus Christ dancing. But you
Speaker 1: did you struggle? Did you struggle at all putting up
Speaker 1: that first video? Because like you said, it is like
Speaker 1: it's it's a vulnerable like you know, I would be
Speaker 1: very like I would feel embarrassed, Like I would be
Speaker 1: like can I put this.
Speaker 2: On the internet?
Speaker 1: What if I put in? I know people are gonna
Speaker 1: talk shit? Like was that a struggle?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh I remember I hit the first Like
Speaker 3: right before I posted, I got like this like like
Speaker 3: you know, I got like feeling where I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: my stomach dropped, and I was like, I don't know
Speaker 3: if I should post this, you know. But but really,
Speaker 3: in that moment, I was so proud and like happy
Speaker 3: with the video. I mean, I look back at it
Speaker 3: now and all I was doing like this little like
Speaker 3: two step. It was so simple. But in the moment
Speaker 3: I was so overjoyed by the fact that, like I thought,
Speaker 3: I was like I look good, I'm I'm on beat,
Speaker 3: I got rhythm, you know, and so I just like, ah,
Speaker 3: like that excitement trumped that fear for just to split second.
Speaker 3: Then I posted it and and it actually the first
Speaker 3: video I think was met with like a bair amount
Speaker 3: of support, much more support than like my videos after
Speaker 3: that got At first people were like, oh, this is cool,
Speaker 3: and then they're like all right, man, like learn learn
Speaker 3: to give it up. You're not you got two feet,
Speaker 3: So like it was the first video had support, but
Speaker 3: then it was like all right, you know, like dude,
Speaker 3: figure it out, you're not good. So it was I mean,
Speaker 3: I think it would have been interesting if i'd have
Speaker 3: got like negative blowback at first.
Speaker 2: What would that have done?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean somebody that I heard was, you know,
Speaker 3: started dancing and apparently stopped because of the criticism. I
Speaker 3: was pilot Beat. I guess he was dancing TikTok and
Speaker 3: people were apparently tearing into him, and I guess I
Speaker 3: don't know if that's why he stopped, but I mean,
Speaker 3: apparently people were ruthless on his TikTok, And I'm like,
Speaker 3: it's hard, Like it's hard to like because you're like,
Speaker 3: why am I subjecting myself to this? So you know, uh, yeah,
Speaker 3: if I had a negative reception off the first video,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I would like to think I would
Speaker 3: have still pushed through, but you know, you never know.
Speaker 4: I also think it's like, I just think that it's
Speaker 4: a reflection on like a societal mentality of like you
Speaker 4: shouldn't be doing things that you're not great at just
Speaker 4: because you like them. Like if you're not great at something,
Speaker 4: or you're not in six months great at dancing, like
Speaker 4: why are you still doing this? And I think that's
Speaker 4: a reflection of like, honestly, just like the culture right
Speaker 4: now and just like people's mentality of themselves of like, well,
Speaker 4: I would never do that because, like I'm not amazing
Speaker 4: at it. And I think the reason you're getting so
Speaker 4: much like positive feedback from dancers is the dance community
Speaker 4: has like an understanding that, like dance is never going
Speaker 4: to be perfect and it's not about perfection, and it
Speaker 4: is about process, and there is such a positive mentality
Speaker 4: around like the work that goes into it versus I
Speaker 4: mean unless you're you know, like a prima ballerina, like
Speaker 4: the final product, and even the final product, you're never
Speaker 4: going to like find perfection, but you can find like
Speaker 4: joy and happiness and movement, and it can all be
Speaker 4: so therapeutic I personally love, and I think you you
Speaker 4: can be like this too at times. Adults specifically that
Speaker 4: will try things and not be embarrassed to not be
Speaker 4: great at them, Like I feel like that's so hard,
Speaker 4: Like I struggle to do things knowing I'm not going
Speaker 4: to be great at them, just to enjoy them or
Speaker 4: to learn to get better at something.
Speaker 1: Well, I've accepted the fact that everything that I try
Speaker 1: that's new, I'm terrible at, Like I'm I'm beyond bad
Speaker 1: at it.
Speaker 4: You're comfortable being like I'm not like when like they're swimming,
Speaker 4: for example, like when we got together, you're not the
Speaker 4: strongest swimmer, but you're like, I'm down to like be
Speaker 4: kind of bad at this for a while all to
Speaker 4: eventually get good at it. And I actually just like
Speaker 4: enjoy swimming, and the more I get better, the more.
Speaker 2: I enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Well, that's also why I enjoyed being on Dancing with
Speaker 1: the Stars. And I got a ton of hate, which
Speaker 1: I didn't even realize because I was just like, people
Speaker 1: love me. It's just like I'm the most popular man
Speaker 1: of the world, though, But I got a ton of
Speaker 1: hate because I was so bad at dancing.
Speaker 2: But I was like, well, no shit, I'm fucking bad,
Speaker 2: Like are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: I'm from Melrose Park. I've never dance a day in
Speaker 1: my life. I'm going up against real dancers. Suck my dick,
Speaker 1: Like I know I'm bad, but like, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's kind of been but that's always been My mentality
Speaker 1: is like I'm usually gonna go into this and I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna be good, but if I truly enjoy doing it,
Speaker 1: which I could be better at, like sticking with things,
Speaker 1: because I will like eventually be all right.
Speaker 2: I'm done doing that.
Speaker 1: Like I'm just not like I'm really trying to stick
Speaker 1: with golf because I'm really bad at it, but like
Speaker 1: I am slowly getting better, but it's probably gonna take
Speaker 1: me like another couple of years to even like be
Speaker 1: shooting close to the eighties.
Speaker 3: But well, that's a hard sport, man. I just went
Speaker 3: played top golf over the weekend and like my first
Speaker 3: ten swings driving him straight, and I'm like, and then
Speaker 3: after that, I started to loosen up, and then everything
Speaker 3: started going left and right, and I was like, this
Speaker 3: is such an agitating sport. But yeah, I mean, you
Speaker 3: guys are right. There's a culture that it's like when
Speaker 3: kids do it, it's endearing and even if they suck
Speaker 3: at dancing or whatever, by by you know, societal standards,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, he's he's seven, Like what do you expect.
Speaker 3: But then all of a sudden, we were thirty, They're like, oh,
Speaker 3: go back to work, what are you doing? And again,
Speaker 3: like I'm grateful that other people. What convinced me to
Speaker 3: dance was I was actually taking an online dance class
Speaker 3: in COVID and I got after like the first week,
Speaker 3: they started doing the arm wave and stuff, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I can't do this, and I got agitated, so I quit.
Speaker 3: But I what got me to even by the course,
Speaker 3: was there was a testimonial of this fifty year old
Speaker 3: man that was like documented his journey in his first
Speaker 3: day of dancing, and he looked like a first day dancer.
Speaker 3: But then after a year and a half of doing
Speaker 3: it every day, he had his video within this like
Speaker 3: two minute video where it's like here I am now
Speaker 3: and he was good, and I was like, this guy's
Speaker 3: fifty and that's incredible, Like and then I was like,
Speaker 3: it's never too late to start something. So on day
Speaker 3: one it looked cringey, sure, you know, but by day
Speaker 3: you know, like four hundred, it was like whoa dude,
Speaker 3: you got some serious moves. And so I was like, again,
Speaker 3: there's no it's it's like this society looks at it like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, like at some point there's an expiration date
Speaker 3: on when it's okay to try something new. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: that's the problem with society is like people get to
Speaker 3: a place where they're just like if you once, at
Speaker 3: some point you need to figure it out in life.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like you're you're thirty years old, you
Speaker 3: should know what you want to do with your life.
Speaker 3: And it's like, no, that's that's that's what most people
Speaker 3: tell you. Like there's this like societal standard of go
Speaker 3: to college, get a job, and then work that job
Speaker 3: until you basically retire. That was the environment I grew up.
Speaker 3: And it's like, get your job and then that you
Speaker 3: basically work there for thirty years and retired. And it's
Speaker 3: like that's one way to do life. Or you can
Speaker 3: like continue to keep you know, trying new things and
Speaker 3: then maybe you're a jack of all trades, master of none.
Speaker 3: But that's actually a blessing. Is It's like once you
Speaker 3: start to do all these different things, you like, you
Speaker 3: start to actually become more diversified and have a better
Speaker 3: understanding of the world. So I'm like, I think it's
Speaker 3: a good thing Joe that you're like, hey, well, maybe
Speaker 3: I don't want to stick with, you know, golf. It's
Speaker 3: like you don't have to, you know, maybe like you
Speaker 3: pick up a new hobby in six months, and there's
Speaker 3: nothing wrong with like basically letting go of something after
Speaker 3: three to six months. Maybe that's what you're just meant
Speaker 3: to do. It's like I'm gonna give this a shot,
Speaker 3: you know, and maybe all I need to know the
Speaker 3: basics for this. There's nothing wrong with that. I think
Speaker 3: it's a matter of like, do you stop something because
Speaker 3: of the criticism, then it's a problem. But if you're
Speaker 3: just stopping it because you're like, I'm losing interest in this,
Speaker 3: and so be it. Like I'm doing classes right now
Speaker 3: just because I saw something online and said anybody can sing,
Speaker 3: And I was like, anybody can sing, like you're telling
Speaker 3: me I can sound like, you know, the best. The
Speaker 3: next country artist started, I'll try it, and it's not
Speaker 3: really coming together.
Speaker 2: So well, how long has it been.
Speaker 3: I've been doing it once a week for the last
Speaker 3: like month and a half, so it's not yeah, so
Speaker 3: I haven't been doing it for long. But I think
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, maybe everybody can hold a tune, but
Speaker 3: not everyone's going to sound, you know, like Chris Stapleton.
Speaker 3: So I think, like, now I'm real. I was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 3: but like, until I tried it, I was like, I
Speaker 3: would hate to find out seven years from now that
Speaker 3: all of a sudden I had voice of an angel
Speaker 3: and I didn't like, you know, pursue it. I love
Speaker 3: singing it, so I sing all the time in my house,
Speaker 3: you know, and so I have so make sure I'm
Speaker 3: gonna give it a shot. But I'm almost at the
Speaker 3: point where I'm like, I may let it go here
Speaker 3: soon because I was like, yeah, I'm I don't. I
Speaker 3: just don't have that right, Like I sound okay, but
Speaker 3: I'm not meant to be a singer and whatever. But
Speaker 3: at least I tried it, so now I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's just there's certain things that like
Speaker 1: you kind of have to be like naturally gifted, like
Speaker 1: like like a voice. Like there's like I know, like
Speaker 1: I could take singing lessons and like you said, maybe
Speaker 1: hold the tomb, but like I know it's not gonna
Speaker 1: sound good, like even with like like people like I
Speaker 1: think they like to hear themselves sing in the shower
Speaker 1: because I feel like you sound the best in the shower.
Speaker 1: But even in the shower, I'm like, this is horrible,
Speaker 1: but like but but I you know, but I.
Speaker 2: Still maybe I still sing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, the shower is a big trigger,
Speaker 3: because I think that's what else I got. I was
Speaker 3: like a couple of times in the shower, I was like,
Speaker 3: you know there might be something.
Speaker 4: I sound amazing.
Speaker 3: I think you're America's best best kept secret right now,
Speaker 3: like this beyond the shower Walls. Yeah, what what?
Speaker 2: How is your You have a podcast? Do you want
Speaker 2: to tell us about that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably be on the cover and and you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's meant to have, you know, be there for
Speaker 3: people to share their stories of you know, overcoming adversity.
Speaker 3: So at first it started off with me when I'm interviewing,
Speaker 3: just interview men because I was like, hey, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm a man, so I want to speak with other
Speaker 3: men so that we can like get this out there
Speaker 3: because not enough men are talking, you know, speaking up. Actually,
Speaker 3: then started having trouble trying to find men open up.
Speaker 3: Most men naturally don't want to because they're fearful like
Speaker 3: they'll be seen as less than and so I then
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, but I also don't I want this
Speaker 3: to be inclusive, and so I started bringing in women
Speaker 3: to have discussions and had awesome conversations and helped me
Speaker 3: learn more things, and I was like, okay, cool, so
Speaker 3: I you know, and then it went from like being
Speaker 3: people that have influenced to like I just want to
Speaker 3: bring on people that anybody you know, anyone that's got
Speaker 3: a compelling story. So you know, I enjoy it. I
Speaker 3: don't think again, like I was like, I don't think
Speaker 3: I'm meant to be a podcaster long term. I mean
Speaker 3: if I am, then like it'll just manifest. But you know,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I am, I'm gonna do this until like
Speaker 3: until I don't you know. So it's cool and I
Speaker 3: enjoy it because I like talking to people and learning
Speaker 3: about them and just get to throw a camera in
Speaker 3: front of me while I do it, and hopefully it
Speaker 3: impacts other people, which I've gotten DM saying it has.
Speaker 3: So that's cool.
Speaker 1: Are you still like in the airbnb space, I know
Speaker 1: you were doing that for a little bit real estate
Speaker 1: and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, my airbnb is a top one percent in
Speaker 3: scott Still it kills it.
Speaker 4: So oh congrats. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: And also like I think scott still's going to keep
Speaker 1: growing because you see that that that company, Taiwan Semiconductor
Speaker 1: is like bringing like two hundred billion dollars in the
Speaker 1: state of Arizona.
Speaker 3: Apple I think made a big investment in them, and
Speaker 3: so yeah, they're talking about, you know, the next silicon Valley,
Speaker 3: it's up in North Phoenix. But no, it's it's it's
Speaker 3: not going to slow down at all, like the growth
Speaker 3: of Scott Sale that people that you'll live here, Like, hey,
Speaker 3: it's just beginning. It's not even at its peak. So
Speaker 3: real estate wise, it's great. You know, it's expensive now,
Speaker 3: but yeah, like the Airbnb kills it. I mean it's
Speaker 3: really grateful for that. It's a good revenue stream. And
Speaker 3: then I do you know, I'm a real estate advisor
Speaker 3: and I also do solar panel sales, which this is
Speaker 3: a very sunny state, so it's pretty easy to sell
Speaker 3: solar panels. And yeah, like I've my life has been
Speaker 3: the most normal it's been in three years. I mean,
Speaker 3: this is the most irrelevant that I've been. But like
Speaker 3: I don't say that in a bad way. It's just
Speaker 3: like I've been off the grid. You know, no one's
Speaker 3: really I've gotten back to a sense of normalcy and
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, cool, Like you know I feel good. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it does. I think, you know, again, there's
Speaker 3: always that itch to be like wow, you know, I'd
Speaker 3: love to like, you know, test the waters again, like
Speaker 3: and put my this version of me out there and
Speaker 3: see what happens. You know. So again that's why when
Speaker 3: you ask like would I go on another show, It's
Speaker 3: like sure, like I because this version of me is
Speaker 3: different from the last version people saw, And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it was fun, you know. It's it's fun
Speaker 3: to like go on these shows and meet people and
Speaker 3: be like, are we really doing this? You know, like
Speaker 3: how many times I sat down with you with the
Speaker 3: guys and be like or even the girls on my
Speaker 3: you know, on the Bachelor, and it was like, this
Speaker 3: is real life, you know, like you know, like taking
Speaker 3: a helicopter, landing in on a yacht and jumping off
Speaker 3: the outer being an Iceland and dune bugging on the
Speaker 3: black sand beaches, are going into an inactive volcano. I
Speaker 3: was like, I never traveled in my life. Now I'm
Speaker 3: doing all these things. And you know it's nice when
Speaker 3: it's free too. You're like, I'm not paying for this,
Speaker 3: so I can eat all the crab legs I want
Speaker 3: and do all these exqui you know, extra extravagant things. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it's fun, and so it's just it's yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's I enjoy living a normal life now.
Speaker 3: But but you know I would. I wouldn't mind, you know,
Speaker 3: popping back up and doing some crazy stuff.
Speaker 4: Do you ever have girls head on uther Airbnb because
Speaker 4: you're open about like, hey, this is my property.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually, so like eighty five percent of people that
Speaker 3: book my Airbnb don't know who I am. Good because
Speaker 3: like then it's like it means my Airbnb is sufficient,
Speaker 3: you know, separate from me being you know, the Bachelor.
Speaker 3: But never like hit on. No, I I just people
Speaker 3: being like, hey, can you come take a picture, or
Speaker 3: a couple of times I've had people be like hey
Speaker 3: this this is broken or wait, we can't find this,
Speaker 3: and I find feels like they're just trying to get
Speaker 3: me to show up, and like I'm like, oh, it's
Speaker 3: over there. They're like, oh great, also this and so
Speaker 3: like I'll go over there. Though it's fun like to
Speaker 3: talk to people and just get to know them, but
Speaker 3: by the end of it, people are like, you're just
Speaker 3: a normal dude. So uh no, most times, like I
Speaker 3: don't I'm not like fresh off the show. I think
Speaker 3: when I was fresh off, people are almost starstruck. You know,
Speaker 3: you're the shiny object. Now it's just like it's just Clayton.
Speaker 3: You know. So now I don't really get like the
Speaker 3: like people are pretty respectful. They might be like, oh, hey,
Speaker 3: I watched your season, Like I might I get those
Speaker 3: those messages off through Airbnb a bunch.
Speaker 4: I'm assuming because we've been chatting about you potentially going
Speaker 4: back on reality TV or doing a dating show that
Speaker 4: you're single. But how has dating like been great?
Speaker 3: It's been a lot of fun because again, like this
Speaker 3: version of me is like a tracting you know, the
Speaker 3: type of woman that I have always wanted to like
Speaker 3: be attracted to me. So I feel like I'm retracting
Speaker 3: very open minded and are you know, very creative women,
Speaker 3: and like I'm just having a blast, Like it's I
Speaker 3: really like enjoy it. Yeah, I mean I've I've been happy.
Speaker 1: Having like a fake baby, right, Like that was insane
Speaker 1: congratulating won that core case. Correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she's still trying to she continues to try
Speaker 3: to appeal, which oh, yeah, like you can go. She's
Speaker 3: trying to take it to the Arizona Supreme Court now
Speaker 3: and then if that doesn't work, they're going to take
Speaker 3: it to the United States Supreme Court. It's like, hey,
Speaker 3: take it.
Speaker 4: At this point, You're like you could have had she
Speaker 4: could have had two babies in the amount of time
Speaker 4: that this has been going on.
Speaker 3: You just can't admit fault. So you know it's agitating
Speaker 3: because I'm like my lawyers, I'm like, guys, like I
Speaker 3: don't want them to keep working on I'm like I
Speaker 3: want I'm like, like I want us to move on
Speaker 3: right like anybody in the to But it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's like we keep spending money and keep doing this
Speaker 3: and spending time, and I'm like I don't want to,
Speaker 3: Like I'm like, I just want this to be done with.
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm dealing with somebody that doesn't think
Speaker 3: normally and so they're going to exhaust all options. So
Speaker 3: you know that affected me for a bit where I
Speaker 3: obviously was like very nervous, nervous to like interact because
Speaker 3: I was like, what happens if I go on a
Speaker 3: day with another girl and that that and like she
Speaker 3: decides to go crazy on me because you know, this
Speaker 3: girl wasn't crazy until she was Like she was so
Speaker 3: normal until she wasn't until she snapped. So you know
Speaker 3: that that affected me at one point. But you know
Speaker 3: now I'm just like if I catch another crazy one
Speaker 3: then so be it.
Speaker 4: Like it's just like, what are the odds, knock on
Speaker 4: wood that this happens to you twice? You know, like
Speaker 4: maybe this was your one and.
Speaker 2: If this I haven't see you again then I mean at.
Speaker 1: Some point you start to want for your life, you're
Speaker 1: something like it.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, Clay, you got some bad karma, you know,
Speaker 3: And I at this point, I'm like, I think I
Speaker 3: burnt most of it off, but but who knows. I mean,
Speaker 3: if it comes back again, I'm just like, yeah, you
Speaker 3: might need to uh look in the mirror a couple
Speaker 3: more times and really really figure out what's going on here.
Speaker 1: Well I think I think you'll be able to figure
Speaker 1: it out either way. I'm very happy for you for real,
Speaker 1: like you seem to be in a great place and
Speaker 1: this was of really I really enjoyed this conversation. I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm actually taking something away from this. So yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking the time and hopping
Speaker 1: on Bachelor Happy Hour.
Speaker 3: Thanks guys for having me. This was awesome.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate both of you, of course, and to
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Speaker 3: Bye,