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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Batch A Happy Hour. I'm

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Speaker 1: Joe and we are back for part two with Clayton.

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Speaker 2: Clayton, welcome back. Let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: What what what is your opinion? Did you watch Grant's finale? Uh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, I was there.

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Speaker 1: So well, I didn't know if they was. What's your

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Speaker 1: what was your opinion on how he handled it?

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Speaker 3: I thought he handled it well.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I got at one point

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Speaker 3: a bit triggered during the finale because listen, I saw

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Speaker 3: both sides. I could understand where Letia was coming from,

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Speaker 3: but I also, you know, thought she could have went

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Speaker 3: about it a bit differently. I think that she just

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Speaker 3: really dug into him deeper than she needed to. And

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Speaker 3: and to me, I said, I was you know, he

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Speaker 3: was apologizing, and I'm like, yeah, he made mistakes, but

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Speaker 3: like I think you're just kicking someone when they're down

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Speaker 3: again my perspective, because I had felt that, you know,

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Speaker 3: somebody did that to me, you know, on my IFR

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Speaker 3: and I wasn't you know, a fan of that. I'm like, listen,

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Speaker 3: but I I just felt like she took it a

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Speaker 3: bit too far, but then again, like she did what

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Speaker 3: she thought was best, and I don't like hold I'm

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Speaker 3: not holding it against her. I just I of course

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Speaker 3: I related to him because like I sat there and

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Speaker 3: similar to me, so naturally, Like I was like, I

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Speaker 3: get where he's at. And I think he you know,

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Speaker 3: you know, that's the best you can do. But I

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Speaker 3: understand where she's coming from too, you know. It's just

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Speaker 3: it's like, I don't nothing she did was wrong. I

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Speaker 3: just I kind of felt similar to him, Like I

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Speaker 3: on the hot seat, watching like me from three years ago,

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Speaker 3: you know. And so it's just a weird moment.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I think in that situation, what we

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Speaker 4: got to see with you a little bit more that

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Speaker 4: we didn't get the chance to see in Grant Latia's conversation.

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Speaker 4: This could have just been due to timing. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's so short, is I was waiting for them to

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Speaker 4: address the why with Grant and Letia, like why did

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Speaker 4: you do this? Why did you say this? And I

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Speaker 4: feel like, again, it very well could have just been

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Speaker 4: like it's a short conversation and you don't get there

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Speaker 4: and that's a bigger, deeper conversation. But I do feel

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Speaker 4: like we got more of that with you, like you

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Speaker 4: were always keen to say like I did this and

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Speaker 4: like expand on like this is why I thought that

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Speaker 4: was a good idea at the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again, like it's that's why unless you're

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Speaker 3: Grant or Latia, like you don't really know what was

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Speaker 3: all said. So it's like this he says this, she

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Speaker 3: says this in the middle is the reality and the truth.

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Speaker 3: But again, like the truth is also dependent upon like

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Speaker 3: it's skewed by perspective, and so you know, we can

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Speaker 3: only judge based off what, you know, what we hear

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Speaker 3: in seeing that moment. So ultimately, I'm like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't see one of them as right

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Speaker 3: like we don't know, like there could be one bit

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Speaker 3: of context that if added would completely sway my opinion.

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Speaker 3: You know, like I say that I associated or you know,

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Speaker 3: you know, associated more with Grant, but like had an

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Speaker 3: like here's he is on camera saying this exact thing

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Speaker 3: over on Team Latia right, Like I don't it could

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you get anxiety going to the finales. You have

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Speaker 4: to have a little bit just like a bodily response

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Speaker 4: being back in that room at that time with a finale.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I feel like whenever I watch like

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Speaker 4: certain episodes of the show, I feel a type of way,

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Speaker 4: like whenever I watch Hometowns every season, I feel like

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I actually, Susie was at the finale, sitting right

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Speaker 3: bringing up some old feelings. I was like, this isn't

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Speaker 3: basically it's like pick a side, and I'm like, no,

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Speaker 3: you know, both people did some things right and did

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Speaker 3: the blame, but unfortunately, you know, it's it makes sense

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Speaker 3: from a show perspective to like how people choose sides

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Speaker 3: because that fosters conversation. It's like we don't want it

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Speaker 3: to be like, oh, everyone's you know, equally at blame

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Speaker 3: and that's it. No, like they want you know, people

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Speaker 3: like that's what's happening right now. I mean we're looking

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Speaker 3: Latia's response and vice versa, and it's like here comes

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Speaker 3: like the you know, really them hammering down and I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 3: This is what keeps people talking and that's ultimately what

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Speaker 3: it's like hard because you're just like I want us

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Speaker 4: What was it like seeing Susie?

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Speaker 3: Her and I have like seen each other so many

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Speaker 3: times since the show and have had conversations on the phone,

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Speaker 3: Like that wasn't like I hadn't seen her in three years.

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Speaker 3: I think I saw her, I think six months prior

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Speaker 3: to that point, we did a podcast together, you know,

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Speaker 3: to me like she's an old friend, you know, or

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Speaker 3: she's still a friend. But I ultimately know that, like,

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Speaker 3: So now, I mean, she's one of the few people

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Speaker 3: you know. So it's always great to see her, you know,

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Speaker 3: But there's you know, there's no chance of that ever rekindling,

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Speaker 1: I will say though in in he said, like they

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Speaker 1: being like kicked when you're down. But I think from

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Speaker 1: like Latilla's point of view, she's probably looking at Grant

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Speaker 1: like you kind of have everything right now, like you're

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Speaker 1: in a happy relationship, you're engaged. You might yeah, you

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Speaker 1: I I was planning on, like I wanted to marry

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Speaker 1: me on this whole way. So yeah, I'm gonna kick

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Speaker 1: situation is a little different because like you you got

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Speaker 1: a lot of hate, Like you got like way too

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Speaker 1: much hate. Yeah, and you got a lot of it

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Speaker 1: Like there's definitely some people that are like pro Latilla,

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Speaker 1: I you know, and I don't want to like bring

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean they did. They and unfortunately, you know,

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Speaker 3: it was like, get we're looking for a reason to

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Speaker 3: I'm like, they're all deserving. I ultimately I accepted the role, though,

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Speaker 3: But to your point, it's like, you know, he's basically

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Speaker 3: it's hard, Like it's hard to like because you're like,

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Speaker 3: why am I subjecting myself to this? So you know, uh, yeah,

430
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Speaker 3: if I had a negative reception off the first video,

431
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I would like to think I would

432
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Speaker 3: have still pushed through, but you know, you never know.

433
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Speaker 4: I also think it's like, I just think that it's

434
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Speaker 4: a reflection on like a societal mentality of like you

435
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Speaker 4: shouldn't be doing things that you're not great at just

436
00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,560
Speaker 4: because you like them. Like if you're not great at something,

437
00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,040
Speaker 4: or you're not in six months great at dancing, like

438
00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,800
Speaker 4: why are you still doing this? And I think that's

439
00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,720
Speaker 4: a reflection of like, honestly, just like the culture right

440
00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,240
Speaker 4: now and just like people's mentality of themselves of like, well,

441
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Speaker 4: I would never do that because, like I'm not amazing

442
00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:55,800
Speaker 4: at it. And I think the reason you're getting so

443
00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:01,080
Speaker 4: much like positive feedback from dancers is the dance community

444
00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,520
Speaker 4: has like an understanding that, like dance is never going

445
00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,000
Speaker 4: to be perfect and it's not about perfection, and it

446
00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,240
Speaker 4: is about process, and there is such a positive mentality

447
00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,480
Speaker 4: around like the work that goes into it versus I

448
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,440
Speaker 4: mean unless you're you know, like a prima ballerina, like

449
00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,000
Speaker 4: the final product, and even the final product, you're never

450
00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,840
Speaker 4: going to like find perfection, but you can find like

451
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,639
Speaker 4: joy and happiness and movement, and it can all be

452
00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,879
Speaker 4: so therapeutic I personally love, and I think you you

453
00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:32,439
Speaker 4: can be like this too at times. Adults specifically that

454
00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,600
Speaker 4: will try things and not be embarrassed to not be

455
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Speaker 4: great at them, Like I feel like that's so hard,

456
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Speaker 4: Like I struggle to do things knowing I'm not going

457
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 4: to be great at them, just to enjoy them or

458
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Speaker 4: to learn to get better at something.

459
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Speaker 1: Well, I've accepted the fact that everything that I try

460
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Speaker 1: that's new, I'm terrible at, Like I'm I'm beyond bad

461
00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:51,040
Speaker 1: at it.

462
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Speaker 4: You're comfortable being like I'm not like when like they're swimming,

463
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Speaker 4: for example, like when we got together, you're not the

464
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Speaker 4: strongest swimmer, but you're like, I'm down to like be

465
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:00,359
Speaker 4: kind of bad at this for a while all to

466
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Speaker 4: eventually get good at it. And I actually just like

467
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Speaker 4: enjoy swimming, and the more I get better, the more.

468
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Speaker 2: I enjoy it.

469
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Speaker 1: Well, that's also why I enjoyed being on Dancing with

470
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Speaker 1: the Stars. And I got a ton of hate, which

471
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Speaker 1: I didn't even realize because I was just like, people

472
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Speaker 1: love me. It's just like I'm the most popular man

473
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 1: of the world, though, But I got a ton of

474
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Speaker 1: hate because I was so bad at dancing.

475
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Speaker 2: But I was like, well, no shit, I'm fucking bad,

476
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Speaker 2: Like are you kidding me?

477
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Speaker 1: I'm from Melrose Park. I've never dance a day in

478
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Speaker 1: my life. I'm going up against real dancers. Suck my dick,

479
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 1: Like I know I'm bad, but like, yeah, I mean

480
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 1: that's kind of been but that's always been My mentality

481
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 1: is like I'm usually gonna go into this and I'm

482
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Speaker 1: not gonna be good, but if I truly enjoy doing it,

483
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: which I could be better at, like sticking with things,

484
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,119
Speaker 1: because I will like eventually be all right.

485
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Speaker 2: I'm done doing that.

486
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Speaker 1: Like I'm just not like I'm really trying to stick

487
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 1: with golf because I'm really bad at it, but like

488
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Speaker 1: I am slowly getting better, but it's probably gonna take

489
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Speaker 1: me like another couple of years to even like be

490
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Speaker 1: shooting close to the eighties.

491
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Speaker 3: But well, that's a hard sport, man. I just went

492
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 3: played top golf over the weekend and like my first

493
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 3: ten swings driving him straight, and I'm like, and then

494
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 3: after that, I started to loosen up, and then everything

495
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 3: started going left and right, and I was like, this

496
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 3: is such an agitating sport. But yeah, I mean, you

497
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,479
Speaker 3: guys are right. There's a culture that it's like when

498
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Speaker 3: kids do it, it's endearing and even if they suck

499
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 3: at dancing or whatever, by by you know, societal standards,

500
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, he's he's seven, Like what do you expect.

501
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 3: But then all of a sudden, we were thirty, They're like, oh,

502
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 3: go back to work, what are you doing? And again,

503
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 3: like I'm grateful that other people. What convinced me to

504
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 3: dance was I was actually taking an online dance class

505
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 3: in COVID and I got after like the first week,

506
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 3: they started doing the arm wave and stuff, and I'm like,

507
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Speaker 3: I can't do this, and I got agitated, so I quit.

508
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 3: But I what got me to even by the course,

509
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 3: was there was a testimonial of this fifty year old

510
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 3: man that was like documented his journey in his first

511
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 3: day of dancing, and he looked like a first day dancer.

512
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Speaker 3: But then after a year and a half of doing

513
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Speaker 3: it every day, he had his video within this like

514
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 3: two minute video where it's like here I am now

515
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 3: and he was good, and I was like, this guy's

516
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,199
Speaker 3: fifty and that's incredible, Like and then I was like,

517
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Speaker 3: it's never too late to start something. So on day

518
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 3: one it looked cringey, sure, you know, but by day

519
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 3: you know, like four hundred, it was like whoa dude,

520
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 3: you got some serious moves. And so I was like, again,

521
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 3: there's no it's it's like this society looks at it like,

522
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Speaker 3: oh yeah, like at some point there's an expiration date

523
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Speaker 3: on when it's okay to try something new. And I'm like,

524
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Speaker 3: that's the problem with society is like people get to

525
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 3: a place where they're just like if you once, at

526
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Speaker 3: some point you need to figure it out in life.

527
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Speaker 3: You know, it's like you're you're thirty years old, you

528
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 3: should know what you want to do with your life.

529
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 3: And it's like, no, that's that's that's what most people

530
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Speaker 3: tell you. Like there's this like societal standard of go

531
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 3: to college, get a job, and then work that job

532
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 3: until you basically retire. That was the environment I grew up.

533
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Speaker 3: And it's like, get your job and then that you

534
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 3: basically work there for thirty years and retired. And it's

535
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 3: like that's one way to do life. Or you can

536
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Speaker 3: like continue to keep you know, trying new things and

537
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 3: then maybe you're a jack of all trades, master of none.

538
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 3: But that's actually a blessing. Is It's like once you

539
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 3: start to do all these different things, you like, you

540
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 3: start to actually become more diversified and have a better

541
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,959
Speaker 3: understanding of the world. So I'm like, I think it's

542
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 3: a good thing Joe that you're like, hey, well, maybe

543
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 3: I don't want to stick with, you know, golf. It's

544
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: like you don't have to, you know, maybe like you

545
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 3: pick up a new hobby in six months, and there's

546
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 3: nothing wrong with like basically letting go of something after

547
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 3: three to six months. Maybe that's what you're just meant

548
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 3: to do. It's like I'm gonna give this a shot,

549
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: you know, and maybe all I need to know the

550
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 3: basics for this. There's nothing wrong with that. I think

551
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 3: it's a matter of like, do you stop something because

552
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 3: of the criticism, then it's a problem. But if you're

553
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 3: just stopping it because you're like, I'm losing interest in this,

554
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 3: and so be it. Like I'm doing classes right now

555
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 3: just because I saw something online and said anybody can sing,

556
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 3: And I was like, anybody can sing, like you're telling

557
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 3: me I can sound like, you know, the best. The

558
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 3: next country artist started, I'll try it, and it's not

559
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 3: really coming together.

560
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Speaker 2: So well, how long has it been.

561
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Speaker 3: I've been doing it once a week for the last

562
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 3: like month and a half, so it's not yeah, so

563
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 3: I haven't been doing it for long. But I think

564
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, maybe everybody can hold a tune, but

565
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 3: not everyone's going to sound, you know, like Chris Stapleton.

566
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Speaker 3: So I think, like, now I'm real. I was like, okay, cool,

567
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 3: but like, until I tried it, I was like, I

568
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 3: would hate to find out seven years from now that

569
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 3: all of a sudden I had voice of an angel

570
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 3: and I didn't like, you know, pursue it. I love

571
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 3: singing it, so I sing all the time in my house,

572
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 3: you know, and so I have so make sure I'm

573
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Speaker 3: gonna give it a shot. But I'm almost at the

574
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Speaker 3: point where I'm like, I may let it go here

575
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 3: soon because I was like, yeah, I'm I don't. I

576
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 3: just don't have that right, Like I sound okay, but

577
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 3: I'm not meant to be a singer and whatever. But

578
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Speaker 3: at least I tried it, so now I know.

579
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's just there's certain things that like

580
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Speaker 1: you kind of have to be like naturally gifted, like

581
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Speaker 1: like like a voice. Like there's like I know, like

582
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Speaker 1: I could take singing lessons and like you said, maybe

583
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Speaker 1: hold the tomb, but like I know it's not gonna

584
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: sound good, like even with like like people like I

585
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: think they like to hear themselves sing in the shower

586
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: because I feel like you sound the best in the shower.

587
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Speaker 1: But even in the shower, I'm like, this is horrible,

588
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: but like but but I you know, but I.

589
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Speaker 2: Still maybe I still sing.

590
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, the shower is a big trigger,

591
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 3: because I think that's what else I got. I was

592
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 3: like a couple of times in the shower, I was like,

593
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Speaker 3: you know there might be something.

594
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 4: I sound amazing.

595
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 3: I think you're America's best best kept secret right now,

596
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 3: like this beyond the shower Walls. Yeah, what what?

597
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Speaker 2: How is your You have a podcast? Do you want

598
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: to tell us about that? Yeah?

599
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably be on the cover and and you know,

600
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 3: it's it's meant to have, you know, be there for

601
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 3: people to share their stories of you know, overcoming adversity.

602
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 3: So at first it started off with me when I'm interviewing,

603
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 3: just interview men because I was like, hey, you know,

604
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 3: I'm a man, so I want to speak with other

605
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,239
Speaker 3: men so that we can like get this out there

606
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 3: because not enough men are talking, you know, speaking up. Actually,

607
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 3: then started having trouble trying to find men open up.

608
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Speaker 3: Most men naturally don't want to because they're fearful like

609
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 3: they'll be seen as less than and so I then

610
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, but I also don't I want this

611
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 3: to be inclusive, and so I started bringing in women

612
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: to have discussions and had awesome conversations and helped me

613
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 3: learn more things, and I was like, okay, cool, so

614
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 3: I you know, and then it went from like being

615
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: people that have influenced to like I just want to

616
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Speaker 3: bring on people that anybody you know, anyone that's got

617
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Speaker 3: a compelling story. So you know, I enjoy it. I

618
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: don't think again, like I was like, I don't think

619
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 3: I'm meant to be a podcaster long term. I mean

620
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: if I am, then like it'll just manifest. But you know,

621
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Speaker 3: I'm like, I am, I'm gonna do this until like

622
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 3: until I don't you know. So it's cool and I

623
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 3: enjoy it because I like talking to people and learning

624
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 3: about them and just get to throw a camera in

625
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 3: front of me while I do it, and hopefully it

626
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 3: impacts other people, which I've gotten DM saying it has.

627
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: So that's cool.

628
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Speaker 1: Are you still like in the airbnb space, I know

629
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: you were doing that for a little bit real estate

630
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: and all that.

631
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, my airbnb is a top one percent in

632
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Speaker 3: scott Still it kills it.

633
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 4: So oh congrats. It's amazing.

634
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: And also like I think scott still's going to keep

635
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: growing because you see that that that company, Taiwan Semiconductor

636
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: is like bringing like two hundred billion dollars in the

637
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: state of Arizona.

638
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: Apple I think made a big investment in them, and

639
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: so yeah, they're talking about, you know, the next silicon Valley,

640
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 3: it's up in North Phoenix. But no, it's it's it's

641
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 3: not going to slow down at all, like the growth

642
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 3: of Scott Sale that people that you'll live here, Like, hey,

643
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 3: it's just beginning. It's not even at its peak. So

644
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 3: real estate wise, it's great. You know, it's expensive now,

645
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: but yeah, like the Airbnb kills it. I mean it's

646
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: really grateful for that. It's a good revenue stream. And

647
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 3: then I do you know, I'm a real estate advisor

648
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 3: and I also do solar panel sales, which this is

649
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 3: a very sunny state, so it's pretty easy to sell

650
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 3: solar panels. And yeah, like I've my life has been

651
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 3: the most normal it's been in three years. I mean,

652
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 3: this is the most irrelevant that I've been. But like

653
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 3: I don't say that in a bad way. It's just

654
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 3: like I've been off the grid. You know, no one's

655
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 3: really I've gotten back to a sense of normalcy and

656
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, cool, Like you know I feel good. Yeah, yeah,

657
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 3: I mean it does. I think, you know, again, there's

658
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 3: always that itch to be like wow, you know, I'd

659
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 3: love to like, you know, test the waters again, like

660
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: and put my this version of me out there and

661
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 3: see what happens. You know. So again that's why when

662
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: you ask like would I go on another show, It's

663
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 3: like sure, like I because this version of me is

664
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 3: different from the last version people saw, And I'm like, yeah,

665
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: I mean it was fun, you know. It's it's fun

666
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: to like go on these shows and meet people and

667
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: be like, are we really doing this? You know, like

668
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 3: how many times I sat down with you with the

669
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 3: guys and be like or even the girls on my

670
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 3: you know, on the Bachelor, and it was like, this

671
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 3: is real life, you know, like you know, like taking

672
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: a helicopter, landing in on a yacht and jumping off

673
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 3: the outer being an Iceland and dune bugging on the

674
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: black sand beaches, are going into an inactive volcano. I

675
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: was like, I never traveled in my life. Now I'm

676
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 3: doing all these things. And you know it's nice when

677
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 3: it's free too. You're like, I'm not paying for this,

678
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 3: so I can eat all the crab legs I want

679
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 3: and do all these exqui you know, extra extravagant things. Yeah,

680
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 3: I mean it's fun, and so it's just it's yeah,

681
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 3: it's it's it's I enjoy living a normal life now.

682
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 3: But but you know I would. I wouldn't mind, you know,

683
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: popping back up and doing some crazy stuff.

684
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 4: Do you ever have girls head on uther Airbnb because

685
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 4: you're open about like, hey, this is my property.

686
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually, so like eighty five percent of people that

687
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 3: book my Airbnb don't know who I am. Good because

688
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: like then it's like it means my Airbnb is sufficient,

689
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: you know, separate from me being you know, the Bachelor.

690
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: But never like hit on. No, I I just people

691
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 3: being like, hey, can you come take a picture, or

692
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: a couple of times I've had people be like hey

693
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: this this is broken or wait, we can't find this,

694
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 3: and I find feels like they're just trying to get

695
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: me to show up, and like I'm like, oh, it's

696
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: over there. They're like, oh great, also this and so

697
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: like I'll go over there. Though it's fun like to

698
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: talk to people and just get to know them, but

699
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 3: by the end of it, people are like, you're just

700
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: a normal dude. So uh no, most times, like I

701
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: don't I'm not like fresh off the show. I think

702
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: when I was fresh off, people are almost starstruck. You know,

703
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 3: you're the shiny object. Now it's just like it's just Clayton.

704
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: You know. So now I don't really get like the

705
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 3: like people are pretty respectful. They might be like, oh, hey,

706
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: I watched your season, Like I might I get those

707
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: those messages off through Airbnb a bunch.

708
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 4: I'm assuming because we've been chatting about you potentially going

709
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 4: back on reality TV or doing a dating show that

710
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 4: you're single. But how has dating like been great?

711
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: It's been a lot of fun because again, like this

712
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 3: version of me is like a tracting you know, the

713
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: type of woman that I have always wanted to like

714
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: be attracted to me. So I feel like I'm retracting

715
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: very open minded and are you know, very creative women,

716
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: and like I'm just having a blast, Like it's I

717
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: really like enjoy it. Yeah, I mean I've I've been happy.

718
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: Having like a fake baby, right, Like that was insane

719
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: congratulating won that core case. Correct.

720
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she's still trying to she continues to try

721
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: to appeal, which oh, yeah, like you can go. She's

722
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: trying to take it to the Arizona Supreme Court now

723
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: and then if that doesn't work, they're going to take

724
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: it to the United States Supreme Court. It's like, hey,

725
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: take it.

726
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 4: At this point, You're like you could have had she

727
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 4: could have had two babies in the amount of time

728
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 4: that this has been going on.

729
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 3: You just can't admit fault. So you know it's agitating

730
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: because I'm like my lawyers, I'm like, guys, like I

731
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: don't want them to keep working on I'm like I

732
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: want I'm like, like I want us to move on

733
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: right like anybody in the to But it's like, yeah,

734
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: that's like we keep spending money and keep doing this

735
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: and spending time, and I'm like I don't want to,

736
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: Like I'm like, I just want this to be done with.

737
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm dealing with somebody that doesn't think

738
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 3: normally and so they're going to exhaust all options. So

739
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: you know that affected me for a bit where I

740
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 3: obviously was like very nervous, nervous to like interact because

741
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 3: I was like, what happens if I go on a

742
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: day with another girl and that that and like she

743
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: decides to go crazy on me because you know, this

744
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: girl wasn't crazy until she was Like she was so

745
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 3: normal until she wasn't until she snapped. So you know

746
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,239
Speaker 3: that that affected me at one point. But you know

747
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: now I'm just like if I catch another crazy one

748
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 3: then so be it.

749
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 4: Like it's just like, what are the odds, knock on

750
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 4: wood that this happens to you twice? You know, like

751
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 4: maybe this was your one and.

752
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: If this I haven't see you again then I mean at.

753
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: Some point you start to want for your life, you're

754
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: something like it.

755
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 3: So I'm like, Clay, you got some bad karma, you know,

756
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: And I at this point, I'm like, I think I

757
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: burnt most of it off, but but who knows. I mean,

758
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: if it comes back again, I'm just like, yeah, you

759
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 3: might need to uh look in the mirror a couple

760
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: more times and really really figure out what's going on here.

761
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: Well I think I think you'll be able to figure

762
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: it out either way. I'm very happy for you for real,

763
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: like you seem to be in a great place and

764
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: this was of really I really enjoyed this conversation. I

765
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: feel like I'm actually taking something away from this. So yeah,

766
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking the time and hopping

767
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: on Bachelor Happy Hour.

768
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: Thanks guys for having me. This was awesome.

769
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: I really appreciate both of you, of course, and to

770
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: our listeners, thank you for listening to Bachelor Happy Hour.

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00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: Make sure you download and subscribe.

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Speaker 4: We have more exclusive interviews coming your way every single week,

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00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 4: and thank you for listening.

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Speaker 3: Bye,