1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks, presented by 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: Castro Allege DJ Bucky Back with you, Buck, It's it's 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: good to be back together again. How you doing, man? Man, 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: I am good. This is a crazy time. Obviously, it's 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: a sad time coming on the heels of Black Monday, 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: because we see a bunch of our friends lose jobs. 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: Are they're going to be forced to look for work 9 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: elsewhere or whatever. But it's also an exciting time because man, 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: I'm all about the playoffs DJ College Football playoffs, NFL playoffs, 11 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: because I believe this is where teams really separate themselves. 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: And you see the good players obviously in college, but 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: you see the great players and in the great organizations 14 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: kind of separate themselves from the others. And so I 15 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: love studying these teams. And so this weekend has six games, 16 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: by the way, So if you if you haven't done 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: this yet, I promise you you'll have fun with it. 18 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: If you like the pod, just go to on on Sunday, 19 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: right Sunday at the one forty West Coast. I want 20 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: to say, right Buck, Sunday, for forty East coast one 21 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: forty west coast. We're doing the Chicago Bears in the 22 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints in the wild Card round of the NFC, 23 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: and it's fascinating. You can check it out on Amazon Prime. 24 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: It'll be on Twitch tv. So it's just too much 25 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: that the address is just Twitch dot tv slash move 26 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: the sticks. It's easy to remember, and it's if you 27 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: followed on Amazon Prime, it will be the scouts feed. 28 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: It's what it's called. You can click on it. It's 29 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: me Bucky and Joy Taylor. If you know Joy from 30 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: the Colin Coward Show. She's great and we just have 31 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: a fun time hanging there. You'd be just like hanging 32 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: with us. You can actually see the game. It's not 33 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: just us. You'll have the game, you can watch the 34 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: game and we kind of uh, I'll tell you what 35 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: we're seeing and provide some background with some of the 36 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: scouting stuff. So I think you, guys, if you like 37 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: the pod, check us out there on Sunday for the 38 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: Bears Stainks game. You'll enjoy it. Um. But we're gonna 39 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the playoffs stuff. We'll talk 40 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: about what the draft looks like now. That we know 41 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: the order for the top of the draft um as 42 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: well as some of these top college players and what 43 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: we're seeing there, so a lot a lot to get 44 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: to Buck, I guess I'll start off. You talked about 45 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: how it's tough, right, a bunch of friends and potentially 46 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: lose jobs here. But it feels like this is different 47 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: than it used to be a maybe a decade ago, 48 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: where we would get to what's commonly referred to as 49 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: black Monday, right, and you'd be sitting there, go, man, 50 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, is it gonna be this guy? Is 51 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: he gonna stay? Like we can't already know. I mean, 52 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: you know who the three three had already been, had 53 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: already been let go, and you kind of knew who 54 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: the other three that it was very likely that this 55 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: was gonna happen. No surprises, right, yeah, no major surprise. 56 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: We haven't seen like normally you see a surprise firing 57 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: or something like that come about it. We didn't see 58 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: it this year, and it's unfortunate, but I think a 59 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: lot of it if you were reading the t leaves 60 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: leading up to it, you kind of knew what was coming. 61 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: I think the I don't say I think the part 62 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: that's intriguing to me is, Okay, you have musical chairs, 63 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: who is going to get to the first chair, because 64 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: once the first guy gets in the seat, then the 65 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: dominoes fall quickly thereafter. And some of the names, like 66 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: it's been some of the usual suspects when it comes 67 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: to the names, like we've heard Eric the Enemy's name, 68 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: Robert Salez name has been mentioned. We're seeing Brian day 69 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: Ball have opportunities with Arton Smith from Tennessee, who we 70 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: knew we were gonna get some opportunities. And then we're 71 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: seeing some of the coaches that have had chances before, 72 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett coming up and a few different things, which 73 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: is interesting to me because when you go back and 74 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: look at his tennant, I might want to give him 75 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: a little more credit then we gave him on the 76 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: way out of Dallas, Jim call Will Marvin Lewis, and 77 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: some other guys that have been mentioned. So this this 78 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: is fascinating. Will kind of see so a lot of 79 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: people on the move, a lot of families that have 80 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: been impacted or whatever. But hopefully a lot of these 81 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: guys will land on their feet and have other opportunities. 82 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: I want to do a fun exercise here. Let's let's 83 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: ping pong back and forth. Let's go name a candidate, right, 84 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: So I'll just tell you the name of a candidate, 85 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: and I'll give you like a little cell, like a 86 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: little sales pitch. Okay, that you give me a candidate 87 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: with a little sales pitch, and we'll just ping pong 88 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: back and forth a little bit. Because I think sometimes 89 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: when you just talk this stuff out, some thing has 90 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: become clear, and maybe we can match up some of 91 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: these coaches with jobs. Okay, all right, I'm gonna start 92 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: off with Arthur Smith from the Tennessee Titans, who is 93 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: their offensive coording, And I'm gonna give you the sales 94 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: pitch for him real quick. Um, let's start with developing quarterbacks, 95 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: taking Ryan Tannehill. Look what Tannehill was under Adam Gaze. 96 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: It was okay player. I think when people go back 97 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: and look at that, you might be surprised. I think 98 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: Tannehill accomplished more um with the Dolphins than maybe Sam 99 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: Donald has done with the Jets. I know both have 100 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: been underwhelming in their previous stops, but I think Tannehill 101 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: had more accomplishments. So I don't want to say like 102 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: Tannehill was terrible, he was hurt, you know, a good bit, 103 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: but his play went to a whole another level with 104 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: Arthur Smith. So he's done a great job with quarterbacks. 105 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: The team has a physical identity UM with Derrick Henry 106 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: and the way they play at the line of scrimmage. Um. 107 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: I give him, Arthur Smith a lot of credit for that. 108 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: But here's my last, my quick third point. How many 109 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: times have you heard already in the last few days 110 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: these teams and these press conferences say we're looking for 111 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: a CEO type, right, Buck, This kid, since he was 112 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: in diapers, has had a front row seat to watch 113 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: a man who is a CEO, who is his revered 114 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: to ce OH in the countries we have and Fred 115 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: Smith has run fed X like he's he's grown up 116 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: with it. Like my dad was talking about, you know, 117 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: what was going on the church. You know, we talked 118 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: about that at the dinner table. This guy's been at 119 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: the dinner table with one of the best CEOs in 120 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: the planet. Like, I think that's kind of fascinating in 121 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: this era where you keep hearing this we're looking for 122 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: a CEO. This guy's had a front row seat to 123 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: to see a really good one. And you know, I 124 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: think when you think about Arthur, Arthur played in University 125 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: North Carolina, he was a guy that had to earn 126 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: his stripes. Um. I think the humility that he has 127 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: displayed considering the background he's coming from, the fact that 128 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: he has gone on. He was a quality control guy, 129 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: first in Washington, then in Tennessee, first on defense under 130 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: Greg Williams, and then moving to the offenside of the 131 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: ball and coaching tight ends and being able to ascend 132 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: to be an offensive coordinator. He has touched a bunch 133 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: of different things. And because of his understated manner and 134 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: his track record of being able to be adaptable and 135 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: flexible and creative, I think, I mean, I think, look, 136 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: I think he has an opportunity to be a really 137 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: good head coach. I think whoever comes with him as 138 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: a decord it is probably the biggest higher. But I 139 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: think he has a chance. And if you're gonna ask 140 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: me to place, because I know we're connecting dots right 141 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: where we're at, right here in southern California. And the 142 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: reason why is because when I look at the charges 143 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: job and I think about Justin Herbert, and I think 144 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: about Justin Herbert having skills that are very comparable to 145 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill. I think that that gives him a chance. 146 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: And then I think about the physical identity of the Charge, 147 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: because I think the Charges do have an identity in 148 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: terms of the style of play. I think he can 149 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: enhance that and maybe take it to another level, because look, 150 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: you add a beefed up running game and you fix 151 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: the offensive line with the defense that they already have 152 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: in place. This is a team that should be in 153 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: the conversation each and every year when you're talking about 154 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: the KNA see the Chiefs in the f C West. Yeah, 155 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: that's that's interesting connection there, Alright, go far away. Okay, 156 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: So let's go with uh Brian day Ball. Let's think 157 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: about who he's been influenced by Bill Belichick in the past. 158 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: Spending years and years in New England, he's gone down 159 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: to the collegiate level with Nick Saban and Alabama. He 160 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: has had the opportunity to be very, very creative and 161 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: adaptive utilizing some of those things did he learned in 162 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: college to going to Western New York and Buffalo and 163 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: the Sean McDermott and continuing to not only expand his 164 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: his playbook in terms of what he's doing, but also 165 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: to master building cultures in a couple of different roles. 166 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: I think Brian day Ball is perfectly um suited to 167 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: be able to be a head coach, and I think 168 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: he is going to get that opportunity because I think 169 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: people are looking at the job that he has done 170 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,239 Speaker 1: with this offense of the past two or three years 171 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: and the growth that Josh Allen has made. I think 172 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: someone is going to look and say, man, be a 173 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: great opportunity to get someone to pair with the quarterback 174 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: and really build it out from that aspect. Yeah, I 175 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: think what he's done with Josh Allen is nothing shorter 176 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: for miraculous. I mean, Josh had all this ability, but man, 177 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: he has just put it all together for him. So 178 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: you've got somebody who has been influence by some of 179 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: the best coaches and who is taking care of the 180 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: most important position on the field. I think that's big. Um. 181 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: I want to go to this next one here and 182 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: our our friend Charlie Castley, who advises a lot of 183 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: these teams and a lot of these candidates, you know, 184 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: getting them ready for these jobs. He talked about what 185 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs and uh No was it Joe Gibbs probably 186 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: believe was Joe Gibbs talking about the most important things 187 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: you need at the position, what to look for and 188 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: for a head coach. And this was the Uh I 189 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: just jotted him now because you just said this on 190 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: the network the other day. He said presence, communication, character management, 191 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: and evaluation. So those five things, and it didn't that 192 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: didn't point you to one side of the ball with 193 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: the other not an offensive guy, not a defensive guy. 194 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: But I started thinking presence, communication, character management, evaluation. And 195 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: actually the first name that I thought of was Matt Campbell, 196 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: because if you've seen Matt Campbell, he definitely has a presence. 197 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: You can't argue about that. His ability to communicate if 198 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: you've seen any of his his communication with his team, 199 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: with the media, outstanding, the character. You know, everything I've 200 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: heard there. You know you're kind of flying blind, but 201 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: everything you hear is is outstanding management. How he's managed 202 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: that program, created an identity, managed games, and then evaluation. Look, 203 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: you're at Ohio State, you better be able to evaluate 204 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: and then develop. And I think he's done a great 205 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: job there. Uh, not only with players, but also I'm 206 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: building a staff and I think Man, if you're looking 207 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: through that lens, Matt Campbell is going to be a 208 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: very attractive candidate to these NFL teams. Yeah. The job 209 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: he's done, it always stated, is really fantastic. And you 210 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: watched the game that they played against Oregon and you 211 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: watched how he was all the way into it and 212 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: the culture that is being created, and the way that 213 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: they've been able to up beat him up beat him up, 214 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: and the way they've been able to up to any 215 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: when it comes to the recruiting, I think it all matters. 216 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: And if you dig even deep in his background, this 217 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: is a guy that has always been tied to winning 218 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: Mount Union, was winning national titles and won three national 219 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: titles when he was a player there, and you look 220 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: at his record and all of those things look success, 221 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: breeze success. And I'm not saying that didn't necessarily guarantees it, 222 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: But DJ, you and I fall in love with with 223 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: thought of getting a program builder, someone who understands how 224 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: to build a program. It's not just a coach, is 225 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: not just calling plays. Is building a program from the 226 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: bottom up. And I think he certainly has that a 227 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: building and that's why he will be a very very 228 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: attractive candidate for some teams. Yeah, I mean I just 229 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: look at I'm just looking at the Jets in their 230 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: situation and trying to put people in spots. And I 231 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: look at the Jets and the shortcomings kind of of 232 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: what they had, and then I look at the characteristics 233 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 1: and what you get with somebody like Matt Campbell. And 234 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: I want to say, Christopher Johnson said in the press 235 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: conference the other day, he used that CEO term, right, 236 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: somebody that can coach the whole team, not just the 237 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: offensive defense, but can coach the whole team. Um, and 238 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: I started thinking that way. He was kind of describing 239 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: Matt rule ironically right, because they had an opportunity. It 240 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: didn't didn't work out. Um, but Matt Campbell was a 241 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: name when you you just try and listen, right, and 242 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: what are they what are they describing? What are they 243 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: looking for? And the image of Matt Campbell kind of 244 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: popped into my head. Yeah, did. I'm trying to get 245 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: to this game because now I want to go to UM. 246 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: I want to read the quote that I saw from 247 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, and then I want to talk about candidates 248 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: and what matters. So Deshaun Watson, this comes from James Palmer. 249 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: He talked to Deshaun Watson was right after the game 250 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: and Deshaun Watson was asked about like, what would you 251 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: like in the head coach. He said, Man, it just 252 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: starts with the energy, just the foundation of the program. 253 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: There's no real foundation. Everyone's here, everyone knows. You've gotta 254 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: have a guy that can come in, stand strong, stand 255 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: tent toes down and say, hey, this is the way 256 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: that we're going to go, this is the way we're 257 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: going to win. That's what we need. It just kind 258 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: of is up in the air right now. I'm looking 259 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: forward to some discipline, responsibility, some good fun energy that 260 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: cares about winning championships and winning games, but in the 261 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: same time coming into work each and every day regardless. 262 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: And then he said, look, we have to play to 263 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: a standard. That's what I'm about. Whoever's out there has 264 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: to play to a standard. And that's what we wanted 265 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: to condue to continue to grow and keep pushing and 266 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: so DJ so often we get confused when it comes 267 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: to what we want from a head coach. And we 268 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: talked about the guy who's the offensive coordinator and the 269 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: play calls and the defensive coordinator. And what great players want. 270 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: They want a leader, they want direction, they want to 271 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: be coached, they want to be coached hard, they want 272 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: everyone around them to be held to a standard. And 273 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna mention this name, and I'm not saying 274 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: it's necessarily the perfect fit, but in knowing him, I 275 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: will say this about Eric b enemy. Eric b enemy 276 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: is that he's not a play caller, even though he 277 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: is the offensive coordinator for the Chiefs. I want you 278 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: to look beyond a play caller. We're talking about a leader. 279 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: And if you look at the people that have played 280 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: up under him in the position group, and the running 281 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: backs and the countless running backs they brought in Kansas City, 282 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: and how he did it with Jamal Charles and how 283 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: he did it with Adrian Peterson and everywhere. I think 284 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: there has to be a place where you can look 285 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: at guys and say, the leadership qualities, the clear communication qualities, 286 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: the management skills, all those things are in place. And 287 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: then is he has that Who is he bringing with 288 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: him in terms of the construction of this uh. But 289 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: I certainly believe he's a viable candidate as a head coach. 290 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: I love the fit with Houston, by the way. To me, 291 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: that's the perfect spot. And you think about the relationship 292 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: between Mahomes and Deshaun Watson and now be I'm sure 293 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: Mahomes will give the stamp of approval there at the enemy. 294 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: Watson would be excited about that move. And look, as 295 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: great as Deshaun has been, this is on him. It's 296 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: kind of the whole franchises on his shoulders. They don't 297 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: have the picks, they don't have money, like he kind 298 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: of has to be Superman just for them to be competitive. 299 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: So making him happy and putting the right guy around 300 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: him is very important. Yeah, I think I think it 301 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: is very important. And I think we always talked about 302 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: the quarterback outside the gym and the head coach to 303 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: quarterback is right there is that that holy trinity, is 304 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: that big three that you have to have and and 305 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: he he is begging for a leader to come in there. 306 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: And I think, um, it speaks volumes about what is 307 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: necessary and what is needed to be a championship team. 308 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: You need a leader, you need someone who can paint 309 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: the vision and do it. And we've heard it over 310 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: and over again. I think it's very clear all the 311 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: guys that we have interviewed the top coaches, they all 312 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: say that. They all say his division, A few of 313 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: them talk about the X and os. They always talk 314 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: about creating the culture in the building and then all 315 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: of the win and success stems from that. Here's here's 316 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: my next one. I'm gonna go Robert sala here from 317 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: the forty niners and the three words. I'm trying to 318 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: think of the three words I would use with him. 319 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: Number one, I would start with presence, like he has 320 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: a major presence about him. I would say intensity, right, 321 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: so he's got a tremendous amount of intensity, which like 322 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: Sean McDermott to me, is kind of a more quiet reserve. 323 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, there's an intensity about Sean McDermott. I think 324 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: you've yes, you've seen that, and I see that. I 325 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: see that with sala Um. And then so you've got 326 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: the intensity, you've got the presence. And then I would 327 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: also add energy, you know, like he then he has 328 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: a little bounce to a step and and the energy 329 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: to go along with it. And you just kind of 330 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: triggered some of that in my head talking about what 331 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson was looking for. I think, and you listen 332 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: to the way Richard Sherman and his players talk about 333 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: him and the way they sell him and eat. I 334 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: have a hard time seeing him not being successful. I 335 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: really do. And I think this year was big for 336 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: him because this year, like the previous year when they 337 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: went to the Super Bowl, everything lined up. He had 338 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: a very talented unit um and so you can, I 339 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: want to say, you could just roll out the balls 340 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: and go play. This year, he had to deal with 341 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: a ton of injuries. You didn't have Nick Boston, you 342 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: didn't have d Ford, you had to deal with some change, 343 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: and yet they came out and they played at a 344 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: high level. And I know we say the job description 345 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: isn't the same being a coordinated as opposed to a 346 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: head coach, but at some point, I want to see excellence, 347 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: and I want to see excellence in spite of circumstances 348 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: because to me, that tells me not only from a 349 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: motivational standpoint, but from a technical standpoint, you were able 350 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: to adapt and adjust with to what you had available. 351 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: And so I think he is very, very qualified. And 352 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: everyone will kind of tie him to the Detroit job 353 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: because he's kind of from that area, but I think 354 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: his his game, who he is I think it plays 355 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: well in a bunch of different aspects. I was, you know, 356 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: to me, this is very simple way to put it. 357 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: You find excuses or you find answers. And I thought 358 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: Solid did a great job this year. He was finding answers. 359 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: He wouldn't looking around trying to find excuses. We get 360 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: to the end of the year, we hear all these 361 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: press conference right from these teams, and you find out 362 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: there they're one of two ways, right, There's a team 363 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: that trying to excuse everything that happened, and this if 364 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: only this or only that, and this other team to say, 365 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: we gotta find the answers, and and those are the 366 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: guys you want. Those are absolutely guys you want. So 367 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: I want to, I want to. I want to bring 368 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: this guy. There are two more guys that I kind 369 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: of want to talk about. One is a name to 370 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: kind of surface that I think surprised people, and that 371 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: would be Jason Garrett, former coach of the Dallas Cowboys. 372 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: And immediately the reaction is kind of lukewarm, kind of yeah. 373 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: But then DJ I go and I dig in his background. 374 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: In ten years, he had one losing season, so yes, 375 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: he had I want to say, four eight Nights, but 376 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: he had one losing season. He had three seasons with 377 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: Tim plus wins. They won three division titles. He developed 378 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: a young quarterback and Dak Prescott that took over for 379 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: Tony Romo and they want a division title and first 380 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: year and you look at Dak Prescott and the way 381 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: that he is developed, going from maybe game manager to playmaker. 382 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: I can say that Jason Garrett had a hand in that. 383 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he's the most creative play designer, 384 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: but I think that. And I think that when you've 385 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: been a head coach, and you've been a head coach 386 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: for that long and then you get a chance to 387 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: sit back and then come back to the job, I 388 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: think he's better prepared to then take his own coaching 389 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: to the next level. I think it's interesting that his 390 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: name came up in Jacksonville. I know it's been kind 391 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: of linked um in terms in terms of an interview 392 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: in l A. I think he is going to be 393 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: a guy that is going to surprise people. I think 394 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: he's gonna end up getting the job the cycle DJ. Yeah, 395 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: that'd be interesting, man. I do think that that's one 396 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: of those names people just dismissed, right away. Oh, he 397 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: was terrible. When you really start digging into it, you 398 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: realize it's more to that story there, and especially the 399 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: way the Cowboys fell apart this year. I think, I 400 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: think you have to give him more credit. Like man 401 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: like he he had his success. Yes, they look like 402 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 1: a protein. So that's gonna lead me to my next one, 403 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: which is Marvin Lewis and I when we talked about 404 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: this previously, I got so much Oh, they never want 405 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: a playoff game that set and the other like, look 406 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: at the alternative, look at this team right now? Yes, 407 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: I mean does that not matter? And you start going 408 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: through it and you're like, Okay, I know it didn't 409 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: work out in the playoffs, but nine, you know, let's 410 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 1: go from from uh, two thousand and eleven to two thousand, fifteen, 411 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: nine and seven, ten and six, eleven and five, ten, 412 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: five and one, twelve and four. Um, I mean he 413 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: won that. He won the a f C North, which 414 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: is a freaking battlesone to go through there with the 415 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: Ravens and the Steelers won two, three, four times. He 416 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: won that division and Cincinnati with bare bones assistants there 417 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: in bare bones in terms of the overall structuring and organization. 418 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: Um So look, I know they ended up drafting some 419 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: good players and had some talent there, But I I 420 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: don't think Marvin Loos gets enough credit for he accomplished there. 421 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 1: And I think if you gain the CEO role overseeing everything, um, 422 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's got a lot of 423 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: wisdom and I think the players respect him. Now, I 424 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: think culturally they got a little loose there in Cincinnati. 425 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: He'd have to you have to and and I think 426 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: DJ I think they got loose because that was the 427 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: advantage when it came to drafting. So what they were 428 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: able to do is they gambled on a handful of 429 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: character guys, the character guys who had talent, and that 430 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: helped them get over the top. Because you talk about 431 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: in that an f C North Division, when you're dealing 432 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: with Pittsburgh and Baltimore, they had to find a way 433 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: to really close the gap, and they were able to 434 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: by taking some chances. Now, the problem is when you 435 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: have maybe too many of those guys, it can mess 436 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: up your locker room when it goes sideways. And at 437 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: the end of the tenure like it got a little sideways. 438 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: But if you talk about a hard job, that he 439 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: made a very successful job given the challenge, no scouting department, 440 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: limited resources when it came to the amount of money 441 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: they would spend on free agents. He deserves a lot 442 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: of credit. And for me, when I look at maybe 443 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: a Jacksonville Jaguars job, maybe a Detroit Lions job where 444 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: you're trying to rebuild and repair the culture, those are 445 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: the kind of opportunities that I could that I could 446 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: see it working in a major, major way. I think 447 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: he's also been interviewed in Houston. Yeah, all right, give 448 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: you got another one here. I got one more I 449 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: want to ask you about because you worked tight closely 450 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: with the organization. We talked about quarterback developers. We talked 451 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: about guys that can help quarterbacks grow and stretch them, 452 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: guys who have been offensive coordinator. Has been a unit, 453 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: but also some head coaching experience. Pep Hamilton's is a 454 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: name that has been talked about under the radar. He 455 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: was a head coach for the DC Destroyers in the XFL. 456 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: He coached Andrew Luck in Indianapolis. Obviously, he played a 457 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: role in Justin Herber's development. Um When you see him, 458 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: can you envision him being a head coach? At at 459 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: at this level. Yeah, you know, the interesting thing is 460 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: we've kind of just missed each other. We just missed 461 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: each other in Baltimore and then this year. In a 462 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: normal year, I would have been traveling with the Chargers, 463 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: I would have been at practice all the time. I 464 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: would have seen him coach there and I would have 465 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: been with him, you know, see him on the plane 466 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: in the hotel, and I had I would have had 467 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: a great front row seat to it. But I didn't. 468 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: I didn't get it. So I don't have the knowledge. 469 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: We have so many mutual connections because we've been in 470 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: the same places, just at different times. But he's got 471 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: a very good reputation, and look, I I think you 472 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: give him a lot of credit for the way that 473 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert has performed this year. Absolutely. I think you 474 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: also got to give Shane Steke in the offensive coordinator, 475 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: a lot of credit for how he designed that. So 476 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how the percentage of it was 477 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: this or without even saying like, but he's Look, this 478 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: is a quarterback development league, so when you've done a 479 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: great job with a young quarterback, you deserve to get opportunities. 480 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: It's no reason the same reason why Joe Brady. What 481 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: Joe Brady did at the collegiate level with Joe Burrow 482 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: is why he's getting interviews. We said it, We said 483 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: it last year. We said he is going to get 484 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: a job, and he is interview and I think he 485 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: has with three interviews lined up already. It's the only 486 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: amount of time people people lost their minds because when 487 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: he was coming off the year as the coordinator l A. Shoe, 488 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: I said that was my surprise hire as an NFL 489 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: head coach, and people lost it. He's like, he's the 490 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: only been a coordinator for one year at the college level. 491 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: NFL team is gonna hire him? And said, well, there's 492 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: the thought process with teams. I want to get ahead 493 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: of the curve instead of trying to chase it because 494 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: if we wait, we're gonna be competing with a bunch 495 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: of teams for this guy. But if we get ahead 496 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: of it, maybe we'll get some grief and some criticism. 497 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: Maybe needs to grow on the job a little bit, 498 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: but that's what some teams do. So that was my 499 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: didn't happen. He didn't end up getting a head coaching job, 500 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: but not that far off he could get one this year. 501 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: If not this year, he's got a chance to get 502 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: one next year. And I know some people have said 503 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: the Carolina offense was twenty one in the league this year. 504 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: I think they were twenty first last year. And I'm like, okay, look, 505 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: Christian pay three games. I believe this year they had 506 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: two two thousand yard receivers. And you tell me, Buck, 507 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: you see the Cowboys every week. I mean Andy Dalton 508 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,479 Speaker 1: versus Teddy Bridgewater. I think you could find a good 509 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: number of people wh would say I'd rather have Andy Dalton. Yeah. 510 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: I think you have to look beyond the statue, look 511 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: beyond the statue, and and and let your eyes take 512 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: you to it um. When you look at the way 513 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: that this team played, particularly in the middle of the 514 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: year when they're playing those competitive games against the Cancie, 515 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: the Chiefs and some of these other teams, they gave 516 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: people problems. And he has done a really, really good 517 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: job and you have to take him knowing, Look, there's 518 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: there's gonna be some some growing pains because he's only 519 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: been really a coordinated for one full year because the 520 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: l s U he split the duties or it was 521 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: it was a different designation. But he is going to 522 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: continue to grow on the job. And so the big 523 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 1: thing with Brady is helping him assemble the staff that 524 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: will minimize some of his deficiencies. And I think that 525 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: is that is really really important. But if Cliff Kingsbury 526 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: can be a younger guy can get a job, and 527 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: Zach Taylor was able to get jobs, I am not 528 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: surprised that Joe Brady is in the conversation as a 529 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: guy that could be next in line. One. One other 530 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: thing that we finish up the coaching conversation, there's an 531 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: interesting approach that you're gonna see some teams take. So 532 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: you're like the Raiders. They've have new they need a 533 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: new defensive coordinator. You've got six teams on the runway 534 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: right now to hire new head coaches. They're gonna have 535 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: to build out their staffs. So they right now are 536 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: sitting there saying it appears to be let's try and 537 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 1: get our defensive coordinator locked in before these head coaches 538 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: start slotting in, and now we're gonna have everybody. It's 539 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: gonna be a mad rush to try and find these assistance. 540 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: If you're a team that's going to make a coordinator change, 541 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: you're probably smart to try and get that locked up 542 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,959 Speaker 1: before these coaching vacancies start getting filled across the league. 543 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: You gotta do it now, you gotta do it in 544 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: a hurry. And I think that's what we've seen because 545 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: the Raiders, Gus Bradley, Rahey Morris, They've they've already had 546 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: those conversations. So you want to get it locked in. 547 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: You want to kind of press him. If you don't 548 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: get a head job, I need you to commit right now, um, 549 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: and and and and that has to be the deal, 550 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: because it is. It's not only that. And one of 551 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: the reasons why you want to be one of the 552 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: teams that hires the Hey coach first is because you 553 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: have your pick of the litter. When it comes to 554 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: the assistance, the last team always has the most difficult 555 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: ulenge and assembling of staff because a lot of the 556 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: guys are gone. Because you know, if your assistant coach, 557 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: you're not trying to sit out and wait and wait 558 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: and wait. You're you're gonna take the first thing smoking. 559 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: And so it's really important that you're ahead of it. 560 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: I think in the next week or so, we're gonna 561 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: start seeing these dominating domino's fall and we see these 562 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: head coaches named or whatever. And so you are right 563 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: in terms of teams trying to identify and secure the 564 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: services of their coordinators because they know the longer they wait, 565 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: the more difficult it gets when it comes to the competition. Yeah, 566 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I do think if you're hiring a head coach, 567 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: the most important thing is you get it right. I mean, 568 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: there's been examples I want to say. I want to 569 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: say the Ravens tried to hire Jason Garrett, turned it 570 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: down and they ended up getting Hardball, But they waited. 571 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: It was a long time. They interviewed a zillion people 572 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: and hopefully ended up with the right guy. I mean, 573 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: they got the right guy for them and John Harball. 574 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: So it is you want to get the right guy 575 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: first and foremost. If that takes some time, it takes 576 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: some time. But man, if you're a team right now 577 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: that has your head coach in place and there's coordinators 578 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: that you need to replace them, you, I mean what 579 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: you're waiting for, Man, go get that done. You brought 580 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: up something I think is interesting because I had this 581 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: conversation earlier today, Um and talk to the team DJ. 582 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: Do you believe people can interview too many people? In 583 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: cloud the process when you think about the general manager 584 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: and the head coach. I'm not saying I'm saying we 585 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: want to really vet out the qualified candidates. What do 586 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: you believe you can almost get too much information from 587 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: too many different sources when it comes down to make 588 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: a decision. Well, and that's maybe I'm just being cynical here, 589 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: but my guess is that you have your list of 590 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: a handful of guys that you're seriously considering for your 591 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: head coaching job, and you're interviewing the other fifteen guys 592 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: is a fact finding mission to learn about their process 593 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: and anything we can take from them that can help 594 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: us in our process. That makes sense. It does make sense. 595 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: I just wonder does it ever get cloud like when 596 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: you're writing all your notes and you get all these 597 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: things or whatever, like, it seems like these conversations would 598 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: run together. And so if I'm going to do I 599 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: bring the guy in that I really that they hand, 600 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: I bring them in early when I'm fresh, or do 601 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: I bring them in late when they can leave a 602 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: lasting impression, I'd be tempted to get the guys you want, 603 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: the guys that are at the top of your list, 604 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: and as soon as possible, so you don't you don't 605 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: lose out because nothing can. I mean if you if 606 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: you have a uh interview schedule for Thursday and a 607 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: team meets with him on Wednesday and loves him and says, 608 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: we're not letting him leave the building. He's the one. 609 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: We're gonna give him seven million dollars a year and 610 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: lock him in. You're you're out of luck, you know. 611 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: So I put those guys to the front of the runway. Yeah, 612 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: it's funny. It's funny. You brought up this seven million 613 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: dollar thing because we saw the reports about Urban May 614 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: and twelve million dollars and everyone went went crazy. But 615 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: I think we have to get comfortable with the notion 616 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: of coaches making significant money. That's guard money. Think about that. 617 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: That's what you pay. That's what you pay a premier guard. 618 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: It is what you pay a premier guard. Because for 619 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: some guys, what's more, Yeah, the coach. The coach can 620 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: mask a lot of your flaws from a personnel standpoint, 621 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: depending on the coach. I think you have to invest. 622 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: You have to invest in the coaches. If you want 623 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: to be a good team, you have to invest in 624 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: the coaches. So they can invest in the assistance so 625 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: you can have the best staff and maybe you can 626 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: have a level of continuity that really allows you to 627 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 1: build a program. That's what always what's weird to me, 628 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: right is and I mean, that's a ton of money. 629 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: I want everything's relative, But when you think about general 630 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: managers in the NFL, it's a lot of money. That's great. 631 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: They're making two, you know, two to three million dollars 632 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: probably on average two to three million dollars. It's like 633 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: that's like your that's that's like you're nothing, third string 634 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: running back. You can be paying three million dollars to 635 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: like who's more important to the success of your organization. 636 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: That's what's funny to me. It is funny. But DJ 637 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: just think like those numbers just got up to that 638 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: mark for general managers, Like where they're making used to 639 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: be one to two. You know, one one to two 640 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: is kind of the standard. Now I'd say it's more 641 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: two to three and then I raise it up or whatever. 642 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: That is significant. By the way, I still don't know 643 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: why anybody at least placed the phone call. And I'm 644 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: Azzy probably is very content and happy where he is 645 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: in life. But man if I'm one of these teams 646 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: that have six their six GM openings. I'm calling Ozzy 647 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: and saying, hey, we want you to be the president 648 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: of the team. You talked about paying somebody twelve million dollars. 649 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: I pay Ozzy fifteen million dollars be the president of 650 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,239 Speaker 1: my team. You picked the coach, and off we go. 651 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: It would be the best money. Yeah, help us figure 652 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: it out. Because he's done in so many different ways, 653 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: and and they've been so successful. We've talked about the 654 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: track record that the Ravens have had when it came 655 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: to team building and those things. It'll be interesting, you know, 656 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: to be interesting. All right, Let's let's go ahead. I 657 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: want I want to get to you like yeah, because 658 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna transition to the same way. Let's 659 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: get to some of these college games and college football 660 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: playoff and some of the stuff that you saw. And 661 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: I think we have to talk about Ohio State in 662 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: Clempson because we got a chance to see two of 663 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: the top quarterback prospects kind of go at it. Yeah. 664 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: To me, it was interesting. It's the best you tell me, 665 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: it's the best I've ever seen justin fields play ever 666 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: by far. I mean, I went back and you watched 667 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: the I tweeted it out. Even the previous three games 668 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: he was four touchdowns, five picks, he took eleven sacks, 669 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: and then he goes out on that stage and they, 670 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: I mean, his numbers are ridiculous. He was what we 671 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: got it right here? Where is it here? He was 672 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: twenty two for three, five, six touchdowns, one pick, eight 673 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: rushes for forty two yards and oh, by the way, 674 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: one of the better displays of toughness we've ever seen 675 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: on a big stage. I don't care College NFL. The 676 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: shot that he took, sure, gosh, it looked like he 677 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: broke some ribs. I don't know how he didn't break ribs. 678 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: But you know, he not only went back in the game, 679 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: but he went back in the game and was like 680 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: aggressively pushing the ball down the field and making big throws. 681 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: It wasn't like he was handing the ball off, protecting himself, 682 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: trying to dink and dunk and just survive. It was like, dude, 683 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: this dude is tough man um and that's why and 684 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: we've talked about it. For me coming into that game, 685 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: Zack Wilson played much better than justin fields. This year 686 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: and he's been I've been very impressed with what he's done. 687 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: I would have had Zach Wilson behind Trevor Lawrence. And 688 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: then then you get to Justin Fields and Trey Lance 689 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: in that conversation, and and You've said this for years, 690 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: and I've started to go more towards your side on 691 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: this thing. It's it's not equal weight with games, man. 692 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: What you do on the big stage counts, it counts more. 693 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: It's not just another game. And you can have three 694 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: mediocre games, which he did coming into this game, and 695 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: you can wipe those out when you do stuff like this. Yeah, 696 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: DJ Like it's funny, right, because like Justin Fields, he 697 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: kind of he kind of tests my personal philosophies when 698 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: it comes to scouting, right, because for a while that 699 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: you're like, man, I need to see it. I need 700 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: to see it. And then I'm watching them struggle against 701 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: Indiana and I'm like, man, like he's just not getting 702 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: it out, like maybe I'm hung up on it. Like 703 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: then the championship game against Northwestern, you don't see it, 704 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: and then on the big stage you see him deliver 705 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: and it pop. And then not only that, right, and 706 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: I think I've learned a lesson from Josh Allen when 707 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: it comes to quarterbacks. Take away some of the mechanic 708 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: things or whatever, like, can I appreciate the talent first, 709 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: because there's no doubt that he's talented, and we've seen 710 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: Josh Allen take that and it's been cultivated and he's 711 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: played at the m v P level. So now I'm 712 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: looking at Justin Fields, I'm like, man, the talent is there. 713 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: You see the athleticism, you see the arm. That game 714 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: allowed us to see the toughness, which I think is 715 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: really important because I think the biggest calling card that 716 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: he'll have is not even the touchdowns. The fact that 717 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: he took that shot, big hit and came back in 718 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: in a big game and deliver it. I was like, Oh, 719 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: that's next level stuff. Because we always talked about our 720 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and how the quarterback has to have a little 721 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: John Wayne mystique to him, right. He has to be 722 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: able to the Clint Eastwood, the gunfighter that kind of 723 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: comes in and strolls into the saloon and and look 724 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: and lights it up. Justin Fields was able to get that, 725 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: and I think that really helps him. Now the evaluation 726 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: is always gonna be look the Zach Wilson thing and 727 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,719 Speaker 1: and the Justin Fields thinking man I erroneously tweeted out 728 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: Luke Wilson as opposed to Zacks. That's what happens when 729 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: you're tired or whatever and you're doing it. And here's 730 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: the thing. Zack Wilson, to me, is the more natural 731 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: playmaker from the pocket. I think the game is easy. 732 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: He's a seven or seven killer. If you don't pressure him, 733 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: he is going to slice and carve you up. Because 734 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: I think he's just very natural in playing the position. 735 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: He has the athleticism to get on the edges and 736 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: to do all those things. He'd win a game of 737 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: horse like. To me, like, that's as a thrower, like Okay, 738 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: let's try and let's disconnect. Let's roll to the left 739 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: and kind of drop on off to the right. Okay, 740 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: it's like football horse like. That's how I describe it. 741 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: He can do all those things. He can get on perimeter. 742 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: I think you can look at him and say, I 743 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: think he can play in any system, whatever the system is. 744 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: I think his game is adaptable. Justin Fields is an 745 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: A level talent, and I think for fields is what 746 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: he brings as a rugged runner combined with the big 747 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: time arm talent and then let's say the toughness and 748 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: leadership ability. I have said this and people are gonna 749 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: say this is not to me. He reminds me of 750 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: a more talented version and of Dak Prescott, right, Like 751 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: his dad is like physical, he's rugged or whatever. Dad 752 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: hasn't necessarily leaned into the running ability that I think 753 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: Justin will lean into. But that's what I get in 754 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: my mind. I get like a super version of Dak 755 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: Prescott is Now, how do we taylor that offense to it? 756 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: Do you want to be an office coordinator that has 757 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: the ability to do some of the new school stuff 758 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: or do you want to continue to do that stuff? 759 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: And not saying that Wilson isn't athletic enough to do it. 760 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: I think it comes down to that. The thing that 761 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: you have with Fields is you've seen big games, big stages, 762 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: you know, like you've seen big ten competition. I'm not 763 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: saying that Wilson couldn't do it, but you almost are like, 764 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: I haven't seen him do it? So what does that mean? 765 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: And I think that kind of gets into the discussion. 766 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: All right, So I want to give you the names 767 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: of three guys right that we're not the first quarterback 768 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: taken in their draft class, but we've been blown away 769 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: by what they've done. They're they've turned into superstars at 770 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: different points. Right. So we've got my Homes, Josh Allen, 771 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: and Justin Herbert. Okay, none of those guys were the 772 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: first quarterback picked in their draft class. Now, all of 773 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: them had flaws and holes in their game. But I want, 774 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: I want to give you this checklist here. We start 775 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: with this size, toughness, armed strength, armed talent wherever you 776 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: wanna call that, big time arms, and athletic ability. Right, 777 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: they all had all four of those check those boxes. 778 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: Now here's the difference. This was the last two things. 779 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: And I've talked to uh Tom to let's go about this. 780 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 1: I've talked to Brett Veach about this, and and I've 781 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: talked to the guys in Buffalo about this. With our 782 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: our buddies that we've gotten there with show and those guys. 783 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: Um smarts, right, and we saw it a little bit. 784 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: We got a little glimpse of it with Mahomes when 785 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: he came in the intelligence, right, incredibly smart and then 786 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: the work ethic was off the charts. So Smarts and 787 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: the work ethics. So now we start with justin fields 788 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: he the size of toughness, the arms, strength, athletic ability. 789 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: We're good. We see all that. We can check those boxes. 790 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: Put that to bed. Now if you're a team and 791 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: we try and do it the best we can. On 792 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: the media side, which is we're not going to get 793 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: that same access. You know, I'm going back to the 794 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: high school stuff. But still to me, how smart is 795 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: he and what is his work ethic? Like does he 796 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: have that Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, justin Herbert smarts and 797 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: work ethic if he does forgive the other sins pick 798 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: him and off you go. Yeah, Now, I think I 799 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: think that's and I think that's it with everybody, and um, 800 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: I think with those guys, it has to be the 801 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: deep dive into the background, the deep dive into what 802 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,760 Speaker 1: makes him tick and can you get beneath overload surface 803 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to the interviews and those things. Can 804 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,919 Speaker 1: you get a track record of how does he come in? 805 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: What time does he come in? Like if we were 806 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 1: doing our old scouting thing, it would be almost like 807 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: going to the football secretary, like, hey, you know, what 808 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: time does say come in? He's just on average, like 809 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: just loosely. I used to go to the video guy. Yeah, 810 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: you know, like what time did it go in? How 811 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: to do it? The video guy? How many hours do 812 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: you think he logs in to study and and do 813 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: those things when it comes to the preparation. And I 814 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: think for for the quarterbacks now more than ever, that 815 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: part of it is really important. And I think this 816 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,280 Speaker 1: and I won't tie any of these quarterbacks to Dawayne Haskins, 817 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: but I think there's a lesson to be learned from 818 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins. The quarterback job is seven three. Yeah, there 819 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: aren't any days off, even on vacation. Vacation is dedicated 820 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: to finding a way to be Like to me, the 821 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: picture if I'm a quarter if I'm recruiting or scouting 822 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: these guys and you're going through the scouting process, I'm 823 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: going to have a poster on the wall of Tom 824 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: Brady on the beach with his shoulder pads on. That 825 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: is a visual image of what you're signing up for 826 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: right now. And I think that has to be that 827 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: has to be it. You have to be committed to it. 828 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: They've got to be committed to the process. And I 829 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 1: have to know confidently that when we bring you in 830 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 1: as a franchise quarterback, you're setting the tone for everybody 831 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: in the franchise by being the first one in, the 832 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: last one out. And I know we talked about it, 833 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,760 Speaker 1: and we talked about it all the time on shows, 834 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: and I want first one in, last one out. I 835 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: think now more than ever I am committed to This 836 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: guy has to be the worker be. He has to 837 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,879 Speaker 1: be the worker be. And in listening to I read 838 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: the quotes from Deshaun Watson or whatever. Those guys have 839 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: it and that's why they're successful. If they fail, it 840 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: won't be because they didn't do the work. I can 841 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: live with a guy who feels who has given me 842 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,320 Speaker 1: everything that he has in preparation and for whatever reason, 843 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,919 Speaker 1: it just doesn't work out. But what I'm not going 844 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: to do as a general manager, I'm not going to 845 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: be tied to a guy who isn't doing everything to 846 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 1: be prepared each and every Sunday for us to go win. 847 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: And I think that is the thing that we have 848 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: to discover. And I think as we get closer to 849 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,439 Speaker 1: the draft with all of these guys with throwing mac Jones, 850 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: if he comes out of Caltrashk and all those other 851 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: guys the deep dive into the preparation process, and we 852 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: try to do that when we have him a walkers 853 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 1: a walk me through your week. But yeah, I think 854 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: I think that's going to be the deciding factor. Yeah, 855 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the other way to put it 856 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: is if we miss on the player, we miss on 857 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: the player, We're not missing on the person. Do not 858 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: miss on the person. You gotta love it, and I 859 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,839 Speaker 1: know people talk about it. You absolutely have to love it, 860 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: and I know we hold quarterbacks to a different standard. 861 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: I would prefer to have a team that it's comprised 862 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: of all guys that really love the game. But the 863 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: quarterback cannot be a guy that doesn't love it. He 864 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: can't just like it. It can't be in hobby. I'm 865 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: not saying that you can't have other interests, but for 866 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: ten years, twelve years, fifteen years, I need quarterback to 867 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: be the most important thing to you outside of your 868 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: family and faith and all that other stuff. Being the 869 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 1: quarterback this franchise has to be important. I saw a 870 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: quote the other day. I'm trying to remember exactly what 871 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: it was, as something along the lines of we need 872 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: to get guys who love playing football, not that love 873 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: being football players. He said, I want guys that are 874 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: more interesting, that love football and are not just interested 875 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: in being professional football players, and that DJ but Debt 876 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: right there. It was the reminder. It was reminded because 877 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: I was like, man, you know, they didn't do this whatever. 878 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: But that's the thing that we're not privy to you, right. 879 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: And I feel bad because sometimes like we may make critiques, 880 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: we may make comments without fully knowing everything. And I 881 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: think that brings me back to the standard that we 882 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,399 Speaker 1: were expected to go out with when we were scouts. Hey, man, 883 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 1: we want guys that love it, because I know when 884 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,399 Speaker 1: you talked about Baltimore and being a raven and being 885 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,959 Speaker 1: able to clearly do it, all of those things took 886 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,720 Speaker 1: you back to the love, you know. And I remember 887 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 1: being in Carolina with John Fox and he talked about 888 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: and we need guys that love it. I don't want 889 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: them to minor in it. I want them to major 890 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: in it. This has to be important. No, it's huge, man. 891 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: A couple of thoughts on some college players not J 892 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: Harris continues to add to his resume with what he's done. 893 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: DeVante Smith as well I still think when it's when 894 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: it's go time, I still think Jamar chasea end up 895 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,800 Speaker 1: going ahead of Devonte Smith. Think they're both gonna be 896 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,879 Speaker 1: really good pros. The other one is I went back 897 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: and watched more Jalen Waddle. Holy krud Man, don't forget 898 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: about that dude. I mean again, last year we talked 899 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: about the Big four, right, it started out as the 900 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 1: Big three. We ended up putting Justin Jefferson and making 901 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: it the Big four. In our conversation this year, I mean, 902 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: I've got a bunch more of these guys to do, 903 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: but those three dudes can ball. Man, Yeah, they they absolutely. 904 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 1: The only guy that I'm I'm kind of hesitant to 905 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,320 Speaker 1: jump all the way in on has just been Devannte 906 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: just because of the size I am. I am just 907 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: like kind of pausing because I'm like, man, he's a 908 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five maybe a hundred eighty pounds like 909 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 1: that is that is light to be a number one receiver. 910 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: And then I think about, Okay, if I could put it, 911 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: if I put him in the a f C North, 912 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: could he handle the rig as of having to deal 913 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,799 Speaker 1: with the dudes that we see in Pittsburgh. The dudes 914 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: hasn't see in Baltimore. How do you want to beat 915 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 1: you up? Even in Cleveland? Like that part of it. 916 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,279 Speaker 1: And I know he's had a ton of success. He's 917 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: outstanding at the route runner. But the conversation is as 918 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: a top ten pick, when we talk about that, we 919 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 1: just haven't seen many guys that are built like that. 920 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 1: Taken in the top ten. Does not to say that 921 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: he can't do it, it's just man like. Guess that's 922 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: the only thing that that that that concerns me a 923 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: little bit about him. You've got to match your environment, right, 924 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,919 Speaker 1: So let me give you the two We we've talked 925 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: about some of these names in the past. But when 926 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: you look at Marvin Harrison in his field and then 927 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 1: and you look at Isaac Bruce, right, both those guys phenomenal. 928 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: Both those guys played on past happy teams indoors. So 929 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: when we look at some of these teams and where 930 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: they're picking, I know, um, look, I know Miami's not indoors, 931 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 1: but at least all those games, you're a previous bottle. 932 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, dank to look cold. He looked cold up there? 933 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: Uh from Hawaii? Yeah, no question, Um, Yeah. The interesting 934 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: thing is they're just not There's not a lot of 935 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,439 Speaker 1: those types of teams, you know, the team that would 936 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: be I mean, gosh, I've I've looked at the charges 937 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 1: at third team and they they've got to dress the 938 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,840 Speaker 1: offensive line. They need corners, so it's not really a 939 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 1: front of the line need for them. But I look 940 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: at guys like Wattle or or h or Davante Smith 941 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,240 Speaker 1: with them, Wow, Um, Atlanta doesn't need a receiver. Miami 942 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: would be the option at three. Philadelp's like to me, 943 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 1: Philly at six. DeVante Smith's is a phenomenal player. But 944 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase to me, matches more with that division. If 945 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,360 Speaker 1: you if you were to be there, No, and and 946 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: I think there there's something to that and so and 947 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,240 Speaker 1: so that's the thing, because you think about the division, 948 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 1: the rigors of what is expected. You would like to 949 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,839 Speaker 1: see him play on a fast track. How about how 950 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: about how about we get him to Minnesota and team 951 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: him up with Justin Jefferson Adam feeling you can you know, 952 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 1: get another year out of him, or you could trade 953 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,400 Speaker 1: him whatever you wanted to do there, But that'd be 954 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,280 Speaker 1: kind of a fun one and make yourself track team 955 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: being able to play stop start quickness DJ I wouldn't 956 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: say that. I'll say it because you can't necessarily say it. 957 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,400 Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule out that thing like in l A. 958 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: Because now if you're saying that I have the quarterback 959 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 1: and I can try to three show ponies and Keenan Allen, 960 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: Mike Williams, and then I can't have Vant Smith being 961 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: able to do things in the slot and stretch to 962 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: feel I want to go. You want to see Justin 963 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,879 Speaker 1: Herbert because we're if we're all in on Justin Herbert. Hey, 964 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,479 Speaker 1: it's about because we said the window short. Hey, let's 965 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: let's load it up and get it going. Hey, what 966 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: do they call the Lakers again? What was their nickname? 967 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,760 Speaker 1: The City of Stars. Man, I'm trying to win seventeen 968 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,359 Speaker 1: to fourteen out here. Uh, that's kind of fun. I 969 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: like it. I like it. Um here's the other thing. 970 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 1: My other thought, Uh, we're gonna get a chance to 971 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 1: do it. Get into this draft, Miami picking three now 972 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,959 Speaker 1: and we, by the way, did we not get ahead 973 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 1: of the curve? How many people came in after that 974 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: with the discussion about do they take it work? Nobody 975 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: was talking about that before we talked about that. I know, man, 976 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,840 Speaker 1: it's it's it's funny. But yeah, like like we already 977 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 1: moved on from that because we already had that conversation. 978 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: So they need to match up two of versus this 979 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,160 Speaker 1: year's quarterbacks and then make their decision. I think it's 980 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,879 Speaker 1: all a said. And then they probably you know, stay 981 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,480 Speaker 1: right there with two, no need to no need to 982 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,919 Speaker 1: do that, and then give him some help. My thing is, buck, 983 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 1: when you look at it, they pick three and eighteen. 984 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: How about if you went out and I know, I 985 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: think this would be the highest of tight ends ever 986 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 1: been picked. I think it's six. But man, I finished 987 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 1: up Kyle Pitts that he's a freak show. If you 988 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 1: want Kyle Pitts at three, because you'll never see him 989 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: at you'll never see him at eighteen. But if you 990 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,279 Speaker 1: want Kyle Pitts at three, and let's just say, in 991 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,720 Speaker 1: some miraculous way, because a lot of these teams ahead 992 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 1: of them have taken receivers recently, young receivers, you might 993 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: if you got a wattle. Now if if you take 994 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: to it with all the r p O s and 995 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,239 Speaker 1: match him with the right coach, and now you have 996 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 1: Giseki is one tight end, and now you have you 997 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 1: can go pits out there to let those guys work 998 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,279 Speaker 1: in the seams, which is where he's very comfortable. And 999 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, I've got wattle to go 1000 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,759 Speaker 1: over the top hole he smokes. Now we'll see if 1001 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 1: the guy can really play well. I mean, I think 1002 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: that's what you have to do. I think you're obligated 1003 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,279 Speaker 1: right now to see if two is the dude. And 1004 00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 1: the way that you have to do is you have 1005 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 1: to give him weapons. I don't think anybody can make 1006 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 1: a quick snap judgment on what two is right now 1007 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: based on what he's played with and just being in 1008 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 1: the first year. Yeah, sure, we would like to see 1009 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 1: him flash and do all those things. I've seen him 1010 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,200 Speaker 1: with the winning football, like he he was playing winning football. 1011 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,800 Speaker 1: They won six games when he was the starting quarterback 1012 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,440 Speaker 1: and all of those stuff. And I know people will 1013 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,040 Speaker 1: tell me quarterback wins don't count. Well, I mean, we're 1014 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,839 Speaker 1: playing to win at some point. I need a guy 1015 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,440 Speaker 1: who can get to the winner circle. However, there is 1016 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 1: a difference between just being the manager and being the playmaker. 1017 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 1: We need to see if he can be a playmaker 1018 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 1: because when we picked him at five, that was the expectation. 1019 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,759 Speaker 1: Let's see if he can go and win games on 1020 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,359 Speaker 1: the strength of his left arm, no doubt. Man, It's 1021 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: gonna be a fun weekend of football here. We've got 1022 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: playoff games. I think we've got another episode here coming 1023 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 1: up where we can jumpt of the playoff games. We'll 1024 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,319 Speaker 1: save that, We'll save that discussion for them. Anything else 1025 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 1: you want to hit before we jump out here, but no, man, 1026 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,840 Speaker 1: fascinating discussion. Man. This is a fun part of the 1027 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: off season when we begin to kind of mix pro 1028 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: and college and prospects and team building and all those things. 1029 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, we can talk about the playoffs on front 1030 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,320 Speaker 1: on Thursday. No, well hit it then that's gonna do 1031 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,799 Speaker 1: it for us today. Thank you guys so much for 1032 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 1: hanging with us. We'll catch you next time. Right here, 1033 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 1: I move the sticks. Presented by Castro Edge