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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. Encourage you to go

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Speaker 1: subscribe to the podcast. I was saying yesterday, Buck, we

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Speaker 1: saw the data on downloads. I'm quite confident that this

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Speaker 1: right now. To tremendous credit to you, guys, we'd like

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Speaker 1: to continue to grow the podcast. Interesting data. Only about

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Speaker 1: ten percent of people listen to the podcast and also

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Speaker 1: listen to radio. So the rising tide is lifting all boats.

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Speaker 1: But maybe you got younger people out there in your

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Speaker 1: the radio. But you think, hey, these guys they're saying

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Speaker 1: things that matter. iTunes, go share them the podcast, sign

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Speaker 1: up yourself, you can share them the link or looking

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Speaker 1: at you right now, YouTube And I mentioned YouTube because

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Speaker 1: this is interesting. We were dinged on YouTube, Buck for

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Speaker 1: saying masks don't work. They don't significantly change whether COVID

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Speaker 1: spreads or not. That was considered misinformation. Just clear I

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Speaker 1: had a little personal YouTube account. Before we started the

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Speaker 1: show together, Clay shutdown over masks three different times, and

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Speaker 1: I was just like, well, I can't, I can't do

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Speaker 1: anything anymore on YouTube. YouTube has now ended their policy

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Speaker 1: that you can couldn't question masks. You now are allowed

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Speaker 1: to question masks, and the degree to which all of

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Speaker 1: the public health apparatus that came after Buck and I

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Speaker 1: for arguing against masks and school shutdowns and lockdowns in general,

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Speaker 1: that some people are going to buy into this idea, Buck,

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Speaker 1: because you're starting to see some data that what we

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Speaker 1: hoped was going to be a red wave is going

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Speaker 1: to be more akin to what we saw in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: which is a fifty fifty universe. And I think that

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Speaker 1: is because we saw the red wave in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: Dobbs in June, and this is probably a bigger discussion

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Speaker 1: overall electorate that may be more substantial than appeared initially.

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Speaker 1: But my concern as Republicans are not as energized, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to let Democrats get away with the worst

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Speaker 1: public policy decisions of most of our lives as it

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Speaker 1: pertains to COVID, because we're distracted and paying attention to

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Speaker 1: other issues, the Marlago raid, and we're not holding accountable

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Speaker 1: failures of the Biden administration. I think it is. It's

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Speaker 1: so important too, because there is some truth to the

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Speaker 1: cham changing realities of what we knew about COVID. So

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Speaker 1: and I think everyone needs to understand this because it'll

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Speaker 1: come up a lot in the Fauci accountability discussion. When

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Speaker 1: they were saying we need a million ventilators. That was wrong,

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Speaker 1: but they were panicked. It was early Trump, it got

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Speaker 1: the Defense Production Act going. Cuomo was demanding it. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's a mistake. That's just guys, we don't know and

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Speaker 1: we're just trying. You know, we might we might. You

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Speaker 1: might be right, we might need a million ventilators. Let's

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Speaker 1: be smart and get them anyway. So there's a real

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Speaker 1: Two weeks to slow the spread was a mistake, but

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Speaker 1: made in good faith. But then what happened is as

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Speaker 1: lockdowns and school closures. When I say knew that data

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Speaker 1: never advocated for shutdowns. That wasn't his responsibility. Good work

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Speaker 1: This is then interspersed during the course of this audio,

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Speaker 1: He never called for Listen, I didn't shut down anything.

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Speaker 1: be honest about. Clay, the shutdowns didn't work at all,

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Speaker 1: not even a little bit. There was no part of well, sorry,

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Speaker 1: make sure that your listener is understand I didn't shut

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Speaker 1: You cannot shutdown the economy. This is crazy, and Faucci

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Speaker 1: The same thing is true of Fauci, but in a

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Speaker 1: recognize that children are essentially spared of the severity of COVID,

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Speaker 1: especially healthy kids, beyond the risk of influenza and RSP.

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Speaker 1: And he failed a recognized natural immunity, which meant hundreds

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Speaker 1: of thousands of labs were ruined, they were fired. And

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Speaker 1: he showed no humility. So he's been slow. He hasn't

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Speaker 1: mobilized the research dollars to answer the big questions early on.

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Speaker 1: That's his job, his main job, his number one job

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Speaker 1: is to give out research funding. Well, we're telling everyone

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Speaker 1: to wash their hands like crazy for months. Do that research.

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Speaker 1: It takes about twelve hours to do the study. Get

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Speaker 1: one of your fancy BSLF or labs. The NIH has

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Speaker 1: four of them, and do that experiment. He didn't do

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Speaker 1: the research on handwashing versus airborne, on natural immunity, on

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Speaker 1: the booster strategy, on the dosing between the first two intervals,

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Speaker 1: and on the adverse event rate of the vaccine in children,

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Speaker 1: including myocarditis. That stuff was untouched. I think that was

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Speaker 1: his greatest failure. Doctor McCarry, you and the many of

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Speaker 1: the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration every single day

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Speaker 1: are being more vindicated in real time. Twenty years from now,

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Speaker 1: doctor Faucci's eighty one. I hope everybody listening around is

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Speaker 1: still around here. I hope, Buck and I are. I

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Speaker 1: hope you are. Doc. Hope everybody out there listening is

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Speaker 1: doctor Fauci's eighty one. He'd be one hundred and one

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Speaker 1: if he's still live a generation from now. What is

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Speaker 1: history saying? Do you think about our response to COVID

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Speaker 1: and doctor Fauci's leadership of that response. Well, we got

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Speaker 1: lucky during COVID, and I don't say this slightly, but

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Speaker 1: the infection fatality rate was two tenths of one percent.

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Speaker 1: In the world of global pandemics, it was a mild pandemic.

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Speaker 1: What happens if we get an infectious pathogen with an

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Speaker 1: infection fatality rate of twenty percent or thirty percent. Now

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Speaker 1: we've had a lot, and we're going to have more.

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Speaker 1: We've had ebola, zeka, stars, mers, polio, I mean just

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Speaker 1: in the last generation. We're going to have more. The

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Speaker 1: question is, now, will anyone trust what's coming out of

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Speaker 1: the CDC or health authorities? I don't think so. I

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Speaker 1: think now people have lost complete faith and trust. We

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Speaker 1: need fresh leadership, We need humility, people need a closure,

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Speaker 1: and I hope we can get it. Do you think

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Speaker 1: we're going to run into any of the completely pointless,

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Speaker 1: useless policies of the past reinstituted in blue cities, doctor McCarry,

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Speaker 1: or even some blue states in this upcoming cold and

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Speaker 1: flue season, which is what we used to call it

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Speaker 1: now I guess COVID season as well. Or is your

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Speaker 1: expectation that enough people now realize. I mean, I honestly

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Speaker 1: think that some of the dumbest public officials in the

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Speaker 1: country are public health officials. So it has been remarkable

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Speaker 1: to see that play out. Well, what concerns me, You know,

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia started school again with masks on Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Boston up until the last day of June, never removed

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Speaker 1: their mask mandate ever during the pandemic for case through twelve.

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Speaker 1: So unfortunately, the vulnerable populations, the defenseless, the children, the

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Speaker 1: people who are poor, and minority communities have disproportionately borne

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Speaker 1: the brunt of these COVID restrictions, while public health officials

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Speaker 1: are in their second homes and on zoom, living a

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Speaker 1: great life with their kids at country clubs and with

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Speaker 1: private tutors. That is the untold story of the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: and I hope people see the social inequity of it

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Speaker 1: all so they can remember it for the future. Doctor McCarey.

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Speaker 1: Just this news is out. We mentioned Jill Biden, but

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Speaker 1: I think this is interesting. Georgetown University, Buck, you and

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Speaker 1: I were talking about Georgetown earlier, one of the top

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Speaker 1: Jesuit institutions in the nation and one of the top

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Speaker 1: universities in the nation in general. It's requiring all of

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Speaker 1: its students to wear masks in indoor classes. Still, doctor McCarey,

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Speaker 1: this is an elite academic institution. When you see a

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Speaker 1: school like Georgetown making a decision like this basically in

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Speaker 1: your geographic region, you're just up the road a little bit,

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Speaker 1: what do you think, Well, it's embarrassing because I went

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Speaker 1: to Georgetown from my surgical residency. I didn't even know that.

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Speaker 1: How long are they going to do this for? I mean,

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Speaker 1: first of all, they're ignoring all the studies. The Finished study,

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Speaker 1: the Catalonia study, the Tracy Host study from UC datas

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Speaker 1: all showed no difference in viral transmission when students in

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Speaker 1: classrooms wore masks. Now they also have a vaccine and

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Speaker 1: booster requirement there, So what are they doing. They're torturing

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Speaker 1: these poor students. Alumni are upset or calling in, and

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Speaker 1: there's no end in sight for some of these folks.

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Speaker 1: I think people need to speak up. Well, why do

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Speaker 1: you think they're doing at Georgetown? Docu McCarry like, well,

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Speaker 1: what is the mentality are these people? Is it like

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Speaker 1: a mental illness now that they can't let this go?

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Speaker 1: Or do they just view it as political allegiance and

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Speaker 1: obedience training? I mean they it's hard to believe that

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Speaker 1: the people at Georgetown University are such morons that they

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Speaker 1: actually think masking up students is going to do anything. Well.

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Speaker 1: I think there's there's this culture within the medical community

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Speaker 1: you are, that I have a more myopic focus on

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Speaker 1: stopping all virus transmission, that I'm going to stomp out

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Speaker 1: consider health. It only considers one virus where the cure

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Speaker 1: is worse than the disease, where we have ignited a

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Speaker 1: mental health crisis. And that's exactly what's happened with young people.

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Speaker 1: That's what I think is happening right now. It's sort

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Speaker 1: of like somebody at work that says, you know, I

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Speaker 1: like to come in at seven am, so why don't

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Speaker 1: we meet at seven am. The next guy says, well,

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Speaker 1: at those hours. They're just trying to one up each other.

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Speaker 1: Go to the doctors conferences that I've been to. I've

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Speaker 1: been to six major large doctors conferences with thousands of

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Speaker 1: five ten percent. So what does Georgetown know that doctors

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Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, thank you so much for all the

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Speaker 1: has been challenging, but I really do believe the vindication

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Speaker 1: it's the school prices are crazy, Terry. Thanks for calling

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Speaker 1: got for us? Matt? How you doing? Guys jump right

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Speaker 1: same time, they're allowing ten year old, you know, kids

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Speaker 1: Matt high five on this one. He's right. Jenior transition

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Speaker 1: doing to get whatever you want done to you. But

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Speaker 1: how could you be expected to understand the implications of

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Speaker 1: taking out loans to go to college when you're eighteen.

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Speaker 1: That is an amazingly good argument. The country understands the

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Speaker 1: implications of defund the police, which Democrats are responsible for.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about the latest on this coming up. Fleet

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Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth