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Speaker 1: text text down textouf time. Everybody. Welcome back to Spartanburg,

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Speaker 1: South Carolina. I'm John Murphy alongside Steve Pans here for

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Speaker 1: the next three hours to do our show one Bills

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Speaker 1: it was significantly cool. It was a nice day today.

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Speaker 1: day number two here and then I'm feeling much better.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for putting up with me. Yesterday it was good.

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Speaker 1: Now you got it out of a nice, a nice

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Speaker 1: solid victory. Yesterday. We got through the show. Is that

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Speaker 1: That's what he meant. Sam Icho is going to join

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Speaker 1: are by the way in the Spartanburg, the beautiful Spartanburg,

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Speaker 1: South Carolina Marriott Hotel that's been our headquarters hotel the

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Speaker 1: last two days, and the bills are staying here as well.

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Speaker 1: And if your business or pleasure ever takes you to Spartanburg,

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Speaker 1: It's a good place. It's been a nice hotel for

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Speaker 1: And logistically it's really it's right just off Wafford Campus.

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Speaker 1: really looking forward to talking with Sam White. You know

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Speaker 1: the name right, coach Cincinnati Bengals to the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: He was with me and during my tenure at CBS.

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Speaker 1: from Buffalo bills dot com. We'll join us at two

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Speaker 1: and then around two thirty, you guys talked to some

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Speaker 1: John McDermott said yesterday, we're worldwide. Yep, sorry miss that.

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Speaker 1: kind of body type and the same abilities, and you

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Speaker 1: plug him in midway through the season. If that happens,

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Speaker 1: so he's it gives you depth. Even though he would

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Speaker 1: be exposed to other teams on the waiver wire, on

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Speaker 1: the practice squad. I think he's it's a perfect place

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Speaker 1: to hide a guy like him. And yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: think I was really impressed with him today. Me too,

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Speaker 1: I've been impressed with him for weeks and I've seen

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Speaker 1: him work. I mean, everybody works hard, he works a

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Speaker 1: little bit harder. I think Nick Easley, I've noticed that

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Speaker 1: from time to time, staying after practice for long pitch

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Speaker 1: and catch sessions with Tyree Jackson, even Josh Allen from

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Speaker 1: time to time. He's just a guy to keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on. What do you think, though, who's got the

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Speaker 1: best shot at being the six wide receiver on the roster?

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Speaker 1: Do you have a thought on that? We got phone

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Speaker 1: one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty, got

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Speaker 1: some tw weeks to read on the tweet sheet, and

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Speaker 1: you can vote on the twitter poll. Let's take a

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Speaker 1: call here, Gary on his cell phone. Gary, Hello, welcome,

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Speaker 1: you're on the air with us. Hey, guys, how y'all

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Speaker 1: doing over doing well? I think they answer your poll question.

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Speaker 1: I think I was there Mackenzie, because you know he

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Speaker 1: can yab to the punt kick returns. But think about him.

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Speaker 1: He makes defenses notice him. You can move them around

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Speaker 1: the backfield. That'll shift defenses. You get the middle of

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Speaker 1: field up and get the outside guys open. And not

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Speaker 1: just that. You can wind him in the squad. You

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Speaker 1: can wine him a little outside. You can do a

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Speaker 1: lot of things with him because of the seed is

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Speaker 1: ability to make people miss. I really like that ability.

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Speaker 1: As Gary. My question for you is do you keep

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Speaker 1: him and Andre Roberts. You might ask you. Gary might

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Speaker 1: have asked you because I don't want to get rid

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Speaker 1: know the answer to that, to be honest, but if right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a tough it's a tough choice. I think that, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I think one of the things you got to

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Speaker 1: remember too is and I don't know whether it's good

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Speaker 1: or bad. I just mentioned it as being a good

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Speaker 1: thing for Nick easily. I guess you got to say

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Speaker 1: the same thing about you, know, Isaiah McKenzie, you got

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Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that are the same body type.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll just go down real quick and read

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Speaker 1: you the height of a bunch of the receivers. There's

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Speaker 1: a five eleven, five eight, five, eight, five nine, five eleven,

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Speaker 1: five eight five, you know, so that's all those guys.

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Speaker 1: Then you've got a six three, a six two, a

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Speaker 1: six two, and a sixty three and a six foot

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Speaker 1: you know those are that's a David Sills of the world.

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Speaker 1: That's Zay Jones is six two, Robert Foster's six two,

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Speaker 1: Cam Phillips's six foot, and uh Duke Williams is six three.

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Speaker 1: So you've got those guys too, and they kind of

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Speaker 1: separate themselves in So do you have a group of receivers,

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Speaker 1: do you make it a point to have some of

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Speaker 1: both of those body types, some bigger, stronger, more physical

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Speaker 1: wideouts who like a guy like Duke Williams can go

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Speaker 1: up or Cam Phillips who can go up and win

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Speaker 1: a fifty fifty ball. Do you keep one or two

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Speaker 1: of those guys around or do you have all your

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Speaker 1: receivers be interchangeable, so that, for instance, one snap, you've

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Speaker 1: got Cole Beasley in the slot, John Brown out to

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Speaker 1: the X receiver all by himself on the far side,

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Speaker 1: and then you've got Zay Jones outside the slot in

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Speaker 1: Cole Beasley then the next snap, it's the same three guys.

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Speaker 1: You've got John Brown in the snot in the slot,

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Speaker 1: Cole Beasley outside the slot, and Zay Jones out of

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Speaker 1: the X by himself on the other side. Now, the

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Speaker 1: defense has got to adjust to those guys where you

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Speaker 1: line them up. If they think they're different guys. If

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Speaker 1: they're the same guys, well then the defense won't adjust

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Speaker 1: at all. So then all of a sudden, you put

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Speaker 1: those guys out there. You can have Cole Beasley matched

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Speaker 1: up on any dB you want, same thing with Zay Jones,

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Speaker 1: same thing with John Brown. So that's what you're looking at.

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Speaker 1: If you've got three guys who you can treat, or

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Speaker 1: even five guys who you can treat as the same guy,

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Speaker 1: and you think they've all got a similar skill set,

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Speaker 1: you throw those all five of those guys out there

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Speaker 1: on the on the fielding you can put him in

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Speaker 1: any slot you want, outside on the right to inside

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Speaker 1: on the left, in any place in between there, and

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Speaker 1: you can run your offense and have faith in those guys. Now,

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Speaker 1: the defense has to make adjustments. If they've got guys

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Speaker 1: and they say, well, Cole Beasley's their guys, So wherever

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Speaker 1: he goes, we're gonna double him. That's awesome because it's

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Speaker 1: going to happen to right. So you throw him on

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Speaker 1: the outside. You throw him outside on the left by himself,

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Speaker 1: and you've got John Brown in the slot, Robert Foster

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Speaker 1: or Isaiah McKenzie outside the slot, and you and you

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Speaker 1: bring who Devin Singletary Lashan McCoy out to that side too.

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Speaker 1: Those guys are all singled, all of them because you've

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Speaker 1: got your double teaming Cole Beasley out by himself on

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Speaker 1: the wide side of the field. So that gives the

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Speaker 1: defense some choices to make and then gives your quarterback

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Speaker 1: some options about getting the exact matchup he wants. That's

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Speaker 1: what you got to think about when you're putting this

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Speaker 1: roster together. Do you have five guys the same or

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Speaker 1: do you have some guys where you manipulated a different

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Speaker 1: way where you put a big guy in there and

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Speaker 1: you force them to double team him. Or you think, okay,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna send your second or third corner on

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Speaker 1: Duke Williams, Duke's gonna win and we're gonna throw it

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Speaker 1: to him. So that's what you're thinking about when you

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Speaker 1: put this roster together those wide receivers. Do you want

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Speaker 1: them all look alike or do you want a whole

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Speaker 1: range of different things you want to be able to

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Speaker 1: plug in? Who are the viable options bigger size? I honestly, um, well,

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Speaker 1: I think Cam Phillips is certainly one of them. He's

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Speaker 1: six foot two one, Duke Williams six three, and which

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Speaker 1: who right now is probably the you know, the guy

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Speaker 1: who's behind Zay Jones at two o one and David

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Speaker 1: Sills is six three? See David Sills And yeah, those

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Speaker 1: guys they're in trouble making the roster, that's right. So

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Speaker 1: you may not have that choice to make you write that. Well,

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Speaker 1: then you're getting down to why do you keep You know,

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Speaker 1: Zay Jones is six two and he's not a slot

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Speaker 1: type receiver. He's at different year he did. But you

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Speaker 1: might have a guy in there now, this kind of

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Speaker 1: a guy caught one hundred and ten you know how

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Speaker 1: many did how many did Cole Beasley catch last year?

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Speaker 1: Than But I think Zays I'm saying he's a roster lock,

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Speaker 1: but I think he's on the roster. It's about yeah.

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Speaker 1: But here's a yeah, and I get it. He's a

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Speaker 1: he's got a really good skill set. I like what

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Speaker 1: he's done. He works really hard at it. They like

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Speaker 1: his personality. He's a great locker room guy. He fits

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Speaker 1: the DNA, which is important. But what happens if you

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Speaker 1: got a guy who gives you something more, or at

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Speaker 1: least your perception A through training camp has given you more.

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Speaker 1: Here's a call from Gary on his cell. Hello, Gary,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Is that you Gary? No, I've

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Speaker 1: lost you? We have a caller on the line. Maybe

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Speaker 1: just had Gary? We just had Gary? You know what's

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Speaker 1: going on with that? Let's go to the tweet sheet

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official movers

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Speaker 1: of the Buffalo Bills. We got a lot of response

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Speaker 1: to this on Twitter. Who's got the best chance to

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Speaker 1: crack the roster as a number six wide receiver? Jack

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Speaker 1: tweets in my heart is saying Isaiah Mackenzie. I love

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Speaker 1: his speed though he was brought in as a returner

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Speaker 1: and has showed great hands and ability as a small

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Speaker 1: waterbug wide receiver last year. Who can also run and

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Speaker 1: a rounds. But we can't forget Ray. Ray is their

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Speaker 1: draft pick, and I feel this staff hates to cut picks.

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Speaker 1: All that's good point, good points. Especially they cut a

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Speaker 1: couple of wide receiver draft picks last year, seventh rounder,

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Speaker 1: seventh rounders. Um. You know, so there is that um

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Speaker 1: and and may be true and you're right, and that's

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Speaker 1: it's good. It's a good things. He's a small waterbug

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. He can run into rounds. He had a

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Speaker 1: couple of rushes last year. Um and Ray Ray has

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Speaker 1: flashed a little bit in this camp, right murph Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But like, well, here's the thing. He was good early

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Speaker 1: last year. We'll see if he can continue that this

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Speaker 1: year because he kind of faded last year and ended

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Speaker 1: up on the practice squad and uh, and it was

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Speaker 1: his attitude that needed adjusting. And McDermott and and both

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Speaker 1: zay Ball and day Ball and McDermott have said he's

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Speaker 1: a much different, much better professional player this year. He

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Speaker 1: learned a lot last year through his ups and downs.

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Speaker 1: Let me get back to the tweet sheet and Tiffany

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Speaker 1: Tiffany tweets. In last season, I just Zaiah jumped started

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Speaker 1: our offense with his speed in versatility. Coach day Ball

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Speaker 1: was able to open up the playbook and utilize multiple formations,

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Speaker 1: jet sweeps, et cetera. I see him. This is Isaiah

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Speaker 1: McKenzie developing into an all around quality receiver. He's having

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Speaker 1: an impressive camp thus far. Well, there you go, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's true. Some of these guys are not going

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Speaker 1: to be the same guy from year to year and

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Speaker 1: the change either up or down or sideways where they

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Speaker 1: just if it is just more of the same. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's you gotta get better, and that's all there is

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Speaker 1: to it. You can't if you're If you're not getting better,

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Speaker 1: you're getting left behind. And some of these guys may

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Speaker 1: go through that later on. This camp as if it wants,

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Speaker 1: as it winds down to cut times, they've got to

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Speaker 1: continue to flash and be consistent. That's the thing. Look,

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Speaker 1: tomorrow will be three weeks since camp began. It seems

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Speaker 1: longer for us, doesn't. It's going back forth to Rochester

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Speaker 1: being down here. But it's still pretty early in camp. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're three and a half weeks away from the season kickoff.

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Speaker 1: Twenty five days I saw today, twenty five days until

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Speaker 1: the Bills open up or halfway through halfway through camp. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so there is still many more to come, including on

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Speaker 1: the offensive line and at wide receiver. We're just trying

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Speaker 1: to take your temperature here on where they're at at

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. Brian Dable, as we said and met with

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Speaker 1: the media before today's practice, had a lot of good

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Speaker 1: things to say about the offensive production in day one yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Here's what offensive coordinator Brian Dabele had to say about

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Speaker 1: the Bills production in yesterday's first day against Carolina. Sure,

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Speaker 1: it was. It was a good day. You know, I've

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Speaker 1: been been in a league for a little bit and

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Speaker 1: have done this a few times, sometimes twice during a

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Speaker 1: training camp. It's always good to practice against another opponent,

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Speaker 1: get different looks, you compete against different talent and different players. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I thought give credit to Carolina too. They

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Speaker 1: got a lot out of it. It was good practice,

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Speaker 1: a good practice yesterday. I think, a pretty good practice

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Speaker 1: today for the offense and they head down for just

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Speaker 1: a walkthrough at Wofford College tomorrow in the game on Friday.

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Speaker 1: Another thing, you know, we talked about how we're midway

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Speaker 1: through camp right, three weeks in three and have to

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Speaker 1: go till opening day and the offensive line is still unsettled,

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Speaker 1: right and Secky looked like a day off today. So

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Speaker 1: Spencer Long is getting reps at right guard, Cody Ford

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Speaker 1: is moving out to right tackle. Feliciano was in its center.

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Speaker 1: We should talk about we should get him on the show. Really,

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Speaker 1: John Feliciano, we ever had him when he gets signed,

636
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Speaker 1: I don't think we'd have not seen him. This. It

637
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 1: struck me today listening to Dable and somebody asked him

638
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: about Feliciano. Dabel says this thing the same two first

639
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: words that McDermott said last week when he was asked

640
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: about John Feliciano. You know what words there, yep, tough, tough, tough,

641
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: and they both said it like tough twice to Feliciano.

642
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: In three weeks of camp has managed to impress his

643
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: coaching staff and his teammates with how tough he is.

644
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: And the flexibility is important right position, flex to play

645
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: both guards and center, and he has I think for

646
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: me he's been the biggest surprise of the offensive line.

647
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: He kind of knew what you had in those guys,

648
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: and there has been the wrench in the works of

649
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, Mitch Morris not being in there. But Feliciano

650
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: has continued to you know, bubble to the surface. You know,

651
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: even when other guys are in there taking reps, when

652
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: Feliciano gets in there, he keeps getting plugged in high

653
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, he gets in there with the ones and

654
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: he's done it with three different positions. Uh, that's a

655
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: big that's a big statement about how they feel about him.

656
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: He is a tough, tough dude and he's and he's big. Um.

657
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: So I'm with you. I think you think back to

658
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: the last year in the Indianapolis Coltson for the Bills.

659
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: Fans who don't know they've drafted a guard named Quinton

660
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: Nelson last year and who was an All Pro guard

661
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: in his rookie season, that's how good he was. They

662
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: played against him this last weekend. Buffalo still look at

663
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: Oliver had some moments against him, but he knew it

664
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: was a it was a it was an all day

665
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: job going against Quinton Nelson. I think this team sees

666
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: and Quintin Nelson was also credited with raising the level

667
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: of nastiness and toughness and a grittiness of their offensive line.

668
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: And I think this coaching staff sees John Feliciano much

669
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: in that same vein they want somebody in there, and

670
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to get great who will

671
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: slap their face of the guy there, you know, the

672
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: guy who's gonna be the point of the spear in

673
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: a fight. They need a guy who will not back

674
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: down in the heat of a game and in fact

675
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: stand up and walk across the line and push a

676
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: guy and you know, to make that statement for your team.

677
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: John Feliciano seems to be one of those guys. He

678
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: seemed to have a gritty attitude that this coaching staff

679
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: covets in their offensive line. That's why I think that's

680
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: one of the main reason. And they keep describing him

681
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: like that. I mean they're yeah, they don't say he's

682
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: a great technician. They say he's a great athlete. He's

683
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: got to know he's just tough. And I don't know

684
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: about you. Going into last Thursday's game, I was a

685
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: bit surprised when they lined up to start and Feliciano

686
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: was in there and not Russell Bodine. But I think

687
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: that was a message being sent right. This guy's toughness,

688
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: this guy's grit is exactly what we're looking for from

689
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: this group up front. The one thing this coaching staff

690
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: in front office have done since Brandon Bean and Sean

691
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: McDermott have been started working there. Plan they back up

692
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: what they say with actions. They drafted a kid seventh

693
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: overall last year at quarterback, and they had they had

694
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: nobody here, They had a rookie who played a couple

695
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: of games the year before, and they traded for or no,

696
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: they signed a free agent back up from another team,

697
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm downgrading those other two guys just to

698
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: make a point. So I didn't. I don't want to

699
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: do that too bad, but so and even then they

700
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: said it was going to be a competition. They had

701
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: a seventh overall pick, and they said, no, everybody who

702
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: gets on our field earns their way on, including you,

703
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Now, they went through some they took it

704
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: on the chin for the first half of the season

705
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: last year because of that. But even in the series

706
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: embedded when they when they showed it, Brandon Bean said, hey,

707
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: guys are going to pay attention to who we pay

708
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: and on the practice field, guys are gonna pay attention

709
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: who are getting number one reps? Who's getting the number

710
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: one reps? And you know it's a tough guy on

711
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: the offensive line. He's getting up. I don't care if

712
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: he's he's in and he keeps getting plugged in. This

713
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: coaching staff has no give in it. They do what

714
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: they say no matter what, no matter who it is,

715
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: whether it's Benching, Shady McCoy last year for two plays

716
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: or whatever, to anybody else, and that plays a long

717
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: way in the locker room. And I think this is

718
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: another example of it. John Feliciano's got something we want.

719
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: He's in, he's on the field. And again to the

720
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: point there, we're halfway through camp, halfway through preseason, let's

721
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: not say camp, and you wonder about the offensive line,

722
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: and we all have been who's gonna start, who's gonna play?

723
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: Dabel talked about that today. Brian Dabo was asked, are

724
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: you getting close to the time when you need to

725
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: make a decision on your offensive line starters. Here's what

726
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: Dabel's response was. I think it's still a fluid situation.

727
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: I think you know, you try to get as much

728
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: continue as you can, and you know, whether Cody's playing

729
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: guard or tackle and ties in there. It's a good

730
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: competitive situation that we have right now, and there's a

731
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: long way to go. Got a lot of work to

732
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: be done, so we're going to continue to mix match guys,

733
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: and you know, La Creem will always rise to the top.

734
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: What do you see. It's good to hear. It's good

735
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: to hear Brian Tables say that there's a long way

736
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: to go there is in this preseason. We're gonna take

737
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: a break. Got a good show coming up for you here.

738
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Speaker 1: I hope to hear from Sam Acho in a couple

739
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: of minutes. Bill's defensive tackle just signed to the roster

740
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: last weekend. Sam White's gonna join us, Check Lawson schedule

741
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: to join us, Chris Brown and much more. Come on back.

742
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Speaker 1: Just getting rolling one Bill's Live presented by Kalada Health.

743
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: We're in Spartanburg, South Carolina, and this is Buffalo Bill's

744
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: Radio ter Back to the show. I can't wear my

745
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: glasses today, Steve. They keep fogging up. I'm not gonna

746
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: wear him. I'm okay. Nothing to see here anywhere except George,

747
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: our photographer. George had been doing great. Yeoman worked down

748
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: here all week right, He's been unbelievable. And Jay Harri

749
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: has been cracking a whip on Jay's tough. I wouldn't

750
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: want to work for Jay, wouldn't want him to be

751
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: my boxy. Wait he is. We got Sam White's coming

752
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: up at one o'clock. We just met coach. He is here.

753
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: He lives down the road and picking South Carolina. And

754
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: now he looks good. He looks really good. I can't

755
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: wait to get him on. Just shy of three years

756
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: off the heart transfer. He's got a variety, he's got

757
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: a epic life. He has the pilot. I think at

758
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: one point two he drives his own plane and does

759
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: all that. Looking forward to having him on at one o'clock.

760
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: All right, Steve, we're here at the in Spartanburg, South Carolina.

761
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: The Bills have wrapped up their practice right down the

762
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: road at Wofford. A couple of notes, I guess they

763
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: pertained to the Bills a little bit. This came out

764
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: right before when on the air. The Giants wide receiver

765
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: Golden Tate has been suspended without pay for the first

766
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: four games of the regular season for a violation of

767
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: the NFL Policy on Performance enhancing substances. He is eligible

768
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: to play in all preseason practices and games. Returns to

769
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: the Giants active roster on Monday, September thirtieth, which is

770
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: about two weeks after the Giants played the Bills in

771
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: the mental hands. Look, I'm not going to applaud someone

772
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: else's misfortune, but okay, that's all right. Golden Tate misses

773
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: Bills at Giants. Yeah right, if you get caught when

774
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: you're cheating, you gotta pay the penalty to it. And yeah, Golden,

775
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: he's still a good players. He's this generation's Heinz Ward.

776
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: You know that kind of guy, like that, tough, gritty receiver.

777
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: Never never could out. He could not run. There's offensive lineman.

778
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: He could not run. But the guy can really play

779
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the NFL at a high level because

780
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: of all the other stuff he brings to it. And

781
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: it's yeah, that's too bad for him, but that's you know,

782
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: you gotta pay the piper. Twenty four hours ago on

783
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: this show, we were talking about the Colts a little

784
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: bit about Andrew Luck and the statement on NFL Network

785
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: from the Colts owner Jimmy Ursey about the nature of

786
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: the problem with Andrew Luck. That's changed. In fact, it

787
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: changed late yesterday. The Colts have gone from feeling good

788
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: about Andrew Luck's chances of returning for the start of

789
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: the regular season to not being able to say for

790
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: sure if he'll play opening Day September eight at the Chargers.

791
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard, their general manager, says tests done on Andrew

792
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: Luck last night revealed he's gone from dealing with a

793
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: calf strain, which was originally diagnosed in March, to currently

794
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: having pain in the high ankle area of his left leg.

795
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Speaker 1: Ballard the GM did say at this point Luck would

796
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: not play in preseason. They don't know if he'll be

797
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: ready for August eighth. Red flags warning signs all over

798
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck right now. Right, It's been a mess every time.

799
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Speaker 1: And I get it. Andrew Luck is is a high

800
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: level player in this league and he's a star. But

801
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: they have botched the pr behind his injuries worse than

802
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: I've ever seen, and they've done on a consistent basis.

803
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: This two years ago, they you know, is he gonna

804
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: play as his shoulder herd? Is it not hurt? They

805
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: didn't want to say that, Hey, he's gonna be out

806
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: for the year, and either they tried to get him

807
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: back for the year, didn't and it didn't work, and

808
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: I think they mishandled. Well, I'm gonna say what's been

809
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: botched their medical treatment, or that they just tell us

810
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,479
Speaker 1: what to tell people. What's going on at PR I'm saying, okay,

811
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: and maybe him too. Maybe they tried to get him

812
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: to come back quicker than they should have and it

813
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: cost him an entire year, or they could have gotten

814
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: the last you know, five or six games at him.

815
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: Who knows all I'm saying is and then you've and

816
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: this Andrew Luck this time around with his half strain slash.

817
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: What is owners? The owners said, Jimmers, They said it

818
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: was a bone problem. I don't know what that means.

819
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: And now they're saying high ankle symptoms. I know what.

820
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what the thing? What are they getting

821
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: out of that? Well, here's the thing. It would really

822
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: be concerning if it were a medical diagnosis issue. If

823
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: they're not getting the proper diagnosis, which may be the

824
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: case here, right, maybe they see somebody's smart enough to

825
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: know what that diagnosis is. Well, that's part two. If

826
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Speaker 1: it's not that, If they know what they're dealing with

827
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: medically but are reluctant to talk about it publicly, that's

828
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: concerning too, but not quite as bad to the look.

829
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: If he's got a high ankle sprain and it was misdagnosed.

830
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: We're talking about not career threatening, but serious injuries that

831
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Speaker 1: they got to deal with and on a medical basis,

832
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: couldn't possibly matter now as they're going into training camp

833
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: that he would say he's gonna be out for eight weeks?

834
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Speaker 1: Who cares? And what are they gaining by that? Nothing?

835
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: They gained nothing by lying, and particularly the fact it

836
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: makes him look like a hodgepodge organization when the general

837
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: manager and the medical staff and the head coach don't

838
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: share the information with each other or now it's a

839
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: different information than it was. And now the owners piping in,

840
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: chiming in, what are they doing over there? I don't know.

841
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I talked to Frank, talk to him.

842
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: He's part of it now, right, I mean, he's a

843
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: big part of it. Dude, get your get your story straight.

844
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: Pick pick a story and get it straight, you know.

845
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: Otherwise I mean, oh my gosh, it looks it looks

846
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: bad for the organization. It looks bad, and it maybe

847
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: impending doom if they have to play without him for

848
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: a while. We'll see, that's a big deal on their plate.

849
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: His health has been an issue throughout his career. One

850
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: of the reasons is the way he plays, and I

851
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: think probably another reason is that he's one of those

852
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: guys that doesn't want to convalesce. He wants to work

853
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: through it and play. He wants to try and work

854
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: through the pain. That's another thing. You can say it's

855
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: a plus or minus, and in certain situations it is

856
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: a plus. But Andrew looks health when it's starting to

857
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: look like his legacy is going to be tainted by

858
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: whatever it was he had. However, many games he could play.

859
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: All right, a break. Here, We're coming back with more.

860
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live, presented by Callida Health from Spartanburg, South Carolina,

861
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: and this is Buffalo Bill's Read. Welcome back to Spartanburg,

862
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 1: South Carolina for the show One Bill's Live, John Murphy,

863
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, and a special guest, Brand New Bills defensive

864
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: end Sam Acho was with us, just signed to the

865
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: roster on Sunday. Here with the team already. That's been

866
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: a whirlwind couple of days for you. I'm sure, h yeah,

867
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: without a doubt. I got a call on Friday, and

868
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: I was on a flight on Saturday morning at seven am,

869
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: and I flew into Orchard Park, had a physical on

870
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon, a workout Sunday morning, and a couple hours

871
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: later I was on the field practicing with the team.

872
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: So it's been and then now I'm here in Carolina,

873
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: I getting ready to play the Panthers. He had a light,

874
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: nice stint a couple of three four years in Arizona.

875
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: Now the last three or four years in Chicago. You're

876
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: part of Chicago's ability to kind of turn it around.

877
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: You were there with a head coach before Haig and

878
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: I can't remember Matt Nagie, John Fox. Yeah. So I

879
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: was in Arizona for four years. I've got drafted there,

880
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: played four years. There was a part of return around

881
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: there with when Bruce Arians came in and you know,

882
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: went to the playoffs, and I went to Chicago for

883
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: four years. Part of return around there when we had

884
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: coach Fox for the first three years and last year

885
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: we had Matt Naggie and went to the playoffs. So,

886
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been a part of some really good teams. Yeah,

887
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: And he said, I was asking as we came up,

888
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, you've been here, Like, what, it's not even

889
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: seventy two hours, right, I mean, right, so what tell

890
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: me about the vibe. I had the players interact the locker.

891
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: I mean this isn't even your regular locker room, but

892
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: certainly the atmosphere around the team, the vibe of the team,

893
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: the personality the team. What do you see? Yeah, No,

894
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: it was an easy decision just to come here, just

895
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: because you look at what they're building here as a

896
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: team and as a defense, the culture with coach McDermott,

897
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: it's just it's a great vibe. How would you describe

898
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: that culture? What do you see in a couple of

899
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: days here? I see a winning culture, is what I see.

900
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: I see a winning culture, a team that's more about

901
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: the some of its parts and about individuals. And that's

902
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: that's one thing that you don't always see. Sam Macho,

903
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 1: our guest Bills defensive end, just signed to the roster

904
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: on the Sunday of this week. He's here to get

905
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: ready to play against your play I would think Friday

906
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: night in Carolina. Yeah, and they got you as like

907
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: an edge guy, right, because you've played some linebacker in

908
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: your in your background. Yeah, I've played you know, I

909
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: started off as a defensive end. You know, pretty much

910
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: my whole life played linebacker. The last couple of years,

911
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: and so obviously we've done a lot of both. So

912
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna be gonna be playing defensive end. Are you

913
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: more comfortable with your hand off the ground? Well, it's

914
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: funny because when I growing up, I was a defensive

915
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: end pretty much my whole life. And then they got

916
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: drafted to the Cardinals. It was a three four, so

917
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: I had to learn how to stand up and figure

918
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: that whole thing out. And it was always one of

919
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: those things where you want to put our hands in

920
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: the dirt and coach say stand up, stand up. And

921
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: now I get that opportunity to to put my hand

922
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: back in the dirt, and so I'm getting more comfortable

923
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: with it and doing it more. Okay, So you've something

924
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: that Sean McDermott has talked about. This is third year here,

925
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: and he's talked about guys who have a certain DNA

926
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: so he sees, you know, sam Acho comes available from

927
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. And you've got your MBA, your you've

928
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: got your degree in business. You speak three languages, English,

929
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: Spanish and Igbo. You do a multitude of programs and

930
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: efforts and the initiatives off the field, and both in

931
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: Chicago and you did it in Arizona as well. Did

932
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: that DNA. Did he talk to you about that when

933
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: when they came to you, that had to be at

934
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: the top of their list. Yeah, Well he didn't even

935
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: have to talk about it. You could see it when

936
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: you walk into the building. There's there's nothing to even

937
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: talk about. You see it when you walk in with everything,

938
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: all the signage on the walls, even it's the way

939
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: they just the way they do things. It's the first

940
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: class organization. And so, like I said, it was a

941
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: very very easy decision to come here. It was just

942
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: a great fit. You know, you think about organizations that

943
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: that stand for something. I saw that my last year

944
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: in Chicago with coach Nagi. I saw that the last

945
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: couple of years in Arizona with Bruce Arians. And once

946
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: you see that, it's it's hard to it's hard to

947
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: say no, Right, Sam, four years after you got out

948
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: of Texas you decided to get an NBA What what

949
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: are you looking for for the name? Where did you

950
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: go and what kind of what are you gonna do

951
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: with m Yeah? So it wasn't four years. Actually the

952
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: year after I graduated. So I graduated, I got a

953
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: when the Campbell Trophy, it's academic Cosman trophy had a

954
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars or twenty five thousand dollars post graduate scholarship,

955
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: but you had to use within two years, and so

956
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: the clock, the clock was ticking. So I finished off

957
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: my rookie season and played really well, had seven sacks

958
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: and was the starter of the team. And I felt

959
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: like I had this whole NFL thing kind of figured

960
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: out at least scheduling and etc. And so after my

961
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: second year, I went in the off season, started off

962
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: my MBA and it took it took four years only

963
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: because only because, and there's a good reason. So I

964
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: was going to finish it about hopefully year and a

965
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: half full time job. Well no, not even that. I

966
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: got married. So I got I met my wife and

967
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: then we got married one offseason, then we had kids

968
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: and then so that kind of slowed slowed down the process.

969
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: So I finished it after four years. Did you go

970
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: back to Texas together? I went. I went to the

971
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: Thunderbird School of Global Management. So I was playing in

972
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: Arizona with the Cardinals and the Thunderbird School of Global Management.

973
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: It's actually the number one International Business NBA in the world,

974
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: And it was located in my backyard in Glendale, Arizona,

975
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: And so I would actually drive from from our workouts

976
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: in the morning in the offseason, draft to class, take

977
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: class all day, and go back to the workouts, and

978
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: so yeah and so yeah, and it was it's a

979
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: part of as Arizona State now, but it was it

980
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: just made sense. I love international, I love business. I

981
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: love understanding new people and cultures and bringing things together.

982
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: So just it was another perfect fit. Do you have

983
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: plans for that degree to use that degree post football? Yeah,

984
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I want to play as long as

985
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: I can, But for me, it was just more about

986
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: the relationships. I got a chance. Just in March, I

987
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: was in South Korea speaking at an event because with

988
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: one of my friends who I went to undergrad with

989
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: or went to this NBA program with, and so I

990
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 1: love you know, my family. We do international medical mission

991
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: work in Nigeria. I was in Guatemala with a group

992
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: called International Justice Mission, you know, trying to fight sex

993
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: trafficking and human trafficking, etc. And so some of those

994
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: skills that I learned in my MBA I'm using not

995
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: only off the field, but also just the intelligence and

996
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: knowledge of studying the people, skills, the teamwork. You use

997
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 1: that in football as well. Tell you, sam Acho Accho,

998
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: the citizen of the world, really, I mean there is

999
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: globle we called that's what we called ourselves at Thunder,

1000
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: our global citizens. So there you go, global citizen now, Okay,

1001
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: So you've got this, and you do fit in a

1002
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: large part, in large measure to the DNA what they're

1003
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: they're kind of human being. They want to in this

1004
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: building helping these guys, to helping this team win games.

1005
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. You gotta play. You're

1006
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: gonna play Friday, I mean yeah, without a doubt. Ye.

1007
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: So that's that's another. So that's the here and now

1008
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. So the here and now is every single

1009
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 1: day going and proving yourself. Coach talks about all the time.

1010
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: You have to prove yourself. You have to earn it

1011
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: every day and so these last few practices have been

1012
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: trying to do my best to earn it and and

1013
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: then obviously in the game on Friday, I'm really excited

1014
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: about getting a chance to go out there and make plays.

1015
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: Right over year eight years in the league, you must

1016
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: have done this joint practice thing before. Yeah, how does

1017
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: it work for you? What do you think of it?

1018
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: What do you get out of it? Well, I think coaches,

1019
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: I can tell you what coaches get out of it.

1020
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: They got a chance to evaluate other teams. They get

1021
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: a chance to see other players and see how you

1022
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: stack up against a different player. Usually, in training camp

1023
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: you're going against the same guys over and over and

1024
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 1: over again, and it's it kind of gets a little

1025
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: bit old. Well, now you get a chance to compete

1026
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: against guys who you haven't competed against. That was different

1027
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: for me this year because I wasn't in I wasn't

1028
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: in training camp for the first few weeks. I wasn't

1029
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: going against these guys over and over. I don't think

1030
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: I've even gone against these guys yet, you know, right,

1031
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 1: So so anyways, Yeah, that's I think the benefit. That's

1032
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: the benefit of joint practice. You mentioned your family. You

1033
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: and your wife have three children, right, two boys and

1034
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: a girl. Yeah, and you're planning on moving everybody up

1035
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: to Yeah, that would be the plan. Obviously. It's uh,

1036
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: like I said, I've been here for like two days,

1037
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: right and a half days, and so trying to figure

1038
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 1: everything out. But that would be the plan. And any

1039
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: trepidation about the weather. I mean, you're from Texas, played

1040
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: in Arizona, you get a winner in or a couple

1041
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: of winners in Chicago. Yeah, I mean the same the

1042
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: same time span I played in Arizona, I played in Chicago.

1043
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: So I played four years in Chicago, and uh the

1044
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: lat My last three years were in Chicago. And and

1045
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: so Buffalo is not too much different. Yeah, no, Buffalo

1046
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: won't be as cold as exactly they say Buffalo is warmers.

1047
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: This is actually this is actually butmmertime yet. But you

1048
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: don't get more, you'll get more sweet Me and my

1049
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: kids can bill more snowmen. Yeah, it'll be fun for

1050
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: a while, believe me. Always is every that first snow

1051
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: of this first snow, the winner is the best. Yeah

1052
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: that's great. Yeah, yeah, the tenth snows not so much.

1053
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: What's your best way to make this roster? Sam? What

1054
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: do you have to do? Just make plays? Simple, make

1055
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: places when you're out there. That's our job as defensive ends,

1056
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. You gotta affect the quarterback and make plays, period.

1057
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: So simple. Go get it. Thank oh, get it man,

1058
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: Thanks for great appreciate appreciate me seeing great. Great to me, Yeah,

1059
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: great to me. Sam Acho Bills defensive end joining us.

1060
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: You got another Sam coming up after the top of

1061
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: the hour. Sam White, who coached in the NFL with

1062
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: the Bengals, spent a couple of years with the Bills

1063
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: as well. He's gonna join us next here on the show.

1064
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: Come on back for that one Bill's Life presented by

1065
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: Kalida Health from Spartanburg, South Carolina. And this is Buffalo

1066
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: Bills reading Welcome back hour you of the show. We're

1067
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: coming to you from Spartanburg, South Carolina, the Spartanburg Marriott

1068
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: Headquarters hotel for the Buffalo Bills. Here in upstate portion

1069
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: of South Carolina. We got an upstate guy with us

1070
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: right now. You may recognize him, long time NFL head coach,

1071
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: a couple of years as the Bill's quarterbacks coach, and

1072
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: he got his football start really right down the road

1073
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: here at Furman right you, Sam White is with us.

1074
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: Good to have you here, he being with us. See

1075
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: you you were standing out right down the road in

1076
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: Greenville at Furmant College and a walk on. I was.

1077
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: I loved a scholarship guy. I was started early in

1078
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: the first grade, so I was always a year behind

1079
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: athletically walked on. The coach looked at me and said, well,

1080
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: you're not going to break in half the first practice,

1081
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: Come on out, and I ended up getting a three

1082
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: year of scholarship and from there I got lucky, going

1083
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: to the minor leagues, where I'm in the Hall of

1084
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: Fame by the way night. Yes, I know that I

1085
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: got a trophy. You wouldn't believe it. But the didn't

1086
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: look like there was a future there. And I went

1087
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: back to graduate school at the University of South Carolina

1088
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: under I was a grad assistant for a young defensive

1089
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: backfield coach named Lou Holts. Okay, did he ever join

1090
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: anything he's been hurt of? Yeah so. But he made

1091
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: a phone call to Cincinnati and their expansion year in

1092
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight, and I went up for a one

1093
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: day try out and Paul Brown called me in the

1094
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: officer and said, Sam, we're gonna offer you a contract.

1095
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: They offered four contracts out of about eighteen guys that

1096
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: worked out that day. We're gonna offer you a contract

1097
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: eleven thousand dollars to play with our football. That was

1098
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: way worded it, and I thought I was rich. I

1099
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: wouldn't make any squat money and called my wife, went

1100
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: down to the pay phone. In those days, you remember

1101
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: that when you put a diamond diamond called collect and

1102
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: she accepted it, and all I said was Jane, that's

1103
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: her first name, Jane. We're rich. And I ended up

1104
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: ended up actually the starting quarterback that at the end

1105
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: of that year, and I got a five thousand dollars

1106
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: rage to sixteen thousand in a year or two. Yeah,

1107
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: So I was like, yeah, the old FL days, and

1108
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: I was reading you played with Greg Cook, who was

1109
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: kind of a almost a tragic figure in AFL quarterback history, right.

1110
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: Greg could have been one of the greats of all time,

1111
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: And I'm not exaggerating that one. In fact, I think

1112
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,479
Speaker 1: he could have maybe been right there with the top names.

1113
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: But he had a tragedy in his second year there.

1114
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: Early in the training camp, he went through a divorce.

1115
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: His father, who was very close to passed away, and

1116
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: of course he tore up his rotator cuff. All of

1117
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: the world caved in on him at one time. He

1118
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: never really recovered. The sad part about Greg. Greg actually

1119
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: had a hard time after that financially and was kind

1120
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: of in and out of situations where he was having

1121
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: to find a place to stay at night. He was

1122
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: tough guy. Bob Trumpy and I tried to do our

1123
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: best to help him. Trump and I were on that

1124
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: team as well. Wow, yeah, yeah, that's you. Hear guys

1125
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: talk about how his career was on an arc very

1126
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: early that the guys and this was guys like Bill

1127
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: Walsh Cincinnati and of course Paul Brown and other guys,

1128
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: and even they kept telling people around it it was

1129
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: he was unbelievable player and never really got to spread

1130
00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: his wings and do all the things in because of

1131
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 1: his personal tragedy that was. That was a big part

1132
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, you started a tent, not maybe started

1133
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: a tremp. You were part of a trend and it

1134
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: still continues today. The Cincinnati Bengals like to hire people

1135
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: they know who've been under their roof before. How did

1136
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: it happen that you got your first head coaching job

1137
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: there in Cincinnati? Well, I had left the year before

1138
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: from San Francisco. We had gone to Super Bowl sixteen

1139
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: beat the Cincinnati Bengals under Forest Greig and in Detroit

1140
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: in the cold, but we uh I went a year

1141
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: more with San Francisco and then two years after that

1142
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowl I went to be the head coach at

1143
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: Indiana University, replaced Lee Corso. That's how old I am, right,

1144
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: I played against Lee Corso's team. Yeah, one year old too? Yeah? Okay, Well,

1145
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: after one year, farest A. Bart Starr got fired in

1146
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: green Bay Forrest Greig got the job in green Bay,

1147
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: were going to where he played under Lombardi. Dream job,

1148
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: and Paul Brown offered me the job. You actually I

1149
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: turned it down for times because I'd only been in

1150
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: Indiana one year and we had raised twelve million dollars

1151
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: to build a new facility for them. Because all they

1152
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: had when I went there was half of an assembly

1153
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: hall was Bobby Knight and the other half was every

1154
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: other sport and tough recruiting against Notre Dame in Ohio State,

1155
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: Michigan with that one. But it was tough to leave,

1156
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: and the athlete director and the president said, you know,

1157
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: you can't do much about it. In fact, Bobby Knight

1158
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: came in one day and slammed the door, which is

1159
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: normal way of entering a room. But he came in

1160
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: and he said, what are you doing? Said, if you're

1161
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: here ten years, then you get seven or eight, you know,

1162
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: big ten titles and maybe a national title or two.

1163
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,439
Speaker 1: Where do you go next to the NFL? And he said,

1164
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: by the way, you're not gonna do all that stuff.

1165
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: He wasn't earl high on their future, but that was

1166
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: out had happened. I actually cried. Can you believe, I said, Pebe,

1167
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: you don't want to hire a cry baby for a

1168
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: He said, yeah, actually I do, because I see it

1169
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: means a lot to you to have to make a

1170
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: decision like that so quick after being at Sam white

1171
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 1: Is with us former NFL coach. So at Cincinnati, slow start,

1172
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: but eventually, I mean, you had Boomer yet Dicky would

1173
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: you had a really good team and hooked up with

1174
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: the Bills a couple of times in that era, right, Yeah, Well,

1175
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: the AFC teams were playing a lot in those That

1176
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: was right at the you know, I think it was

1177
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: seventy one or seventy of up there and there that

1178
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: the a f C and NFC became the NFL. Sure,

1179
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: but yeah, the Bengals. The first five games that I

1180
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: coached there, we lost. We're O and five. I got

1181
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: a phone call from a guy named Joe Gibbs. I

1182
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: don't know how he's doing either. But Joe Gibbs Washington,

1183
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: and he said, Sam, I just want to remind you

1184
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: of something here. I know it's tough right now, but

1185
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: I lost my first five games at Washington for just unsolicited,

1186
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: he calls unsolicited. And we went on and won eight

1187
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: to the next eleven. We finished eight and eight. In fact,

1188
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: we're sitting in the living room of my home with

1189
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: all the local TV cameras there because if Pittsburgh gets

1190
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: beat by the Raiders and they're underdogs by seven points,

1191
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: we're going we go to the playoffs, and we win

1192
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: the division and Pittsburgh beat beat them, and so we

1193
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: didn't go. But that was that was year one, and

1194
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: then everybody kind of came together. Boomer's size and probably

1195
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: as good a field general as the NFL has ever seen.

1196
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: And point I say field general, I mean commander on

1197
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: that field and running the no huddle offense. He was

1198
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: just perfect for it along with the other guys and

1199
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: Dick Leboe is our defensive coordinator. I don't know how

1200
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: we lost a game. I had to be the head coach.

1201
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: Nohaddle was big, right, Steve played on the no huddle team.

1202
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: But you guys kind of originated that right with the

1203
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: Bengals before the Bills. We went five years in that

1204
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: league meeting where they would have in the itinerary for

1205
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: the elite meeting, you got the general managers, the owners

1206
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: and the head coaches and all in this giant room

1207
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: for the general sessions and all that. They would say

1208
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: travel time, how soon before the game you had to

1209
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: be in the city, ticket exchanges and so forth. And

1210
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: then about item number thirteen with Sam White, snow huddle offense,

1211
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: and I was brutalized. I mean, there was one trying

1212
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: to stop it. They didn't, well they're all defensive coaches

1213
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: did yeah, because it was it was new. But I

1214
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: won't mention the coach's name, but a coach that I

1215
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: have had the most respect for is as anybody. We

1216
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: had breakfast together that morning, just the two of us,

1217
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: and we're in the meeting, and he said, finally got

1218
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 1: mad at the discussion because it was good and long,

1219
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: and he slammed his hand and says, Sam, you know

1220
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: that that no huddle is like outside the spirit of

1221
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: the rules. He said, you know that there's nothing more

1222
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: than popcorn football. And he could have shot me in

1223
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: the heart at that time I had my original heart

1224
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: the other heart. Yeah, but I said, you know you

1225
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: are popcorn footballs that chief ers that we really got

1226
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: to me. But it was like that for five years

1227
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: and then m then he started to catch on every

1228
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: he had to practice it, so they may started to

1229
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: install it. And and today you see it in high

1230
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: school college. There's pros everywhere. Steve wants to talk about

1231
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: the championship game at Riverfront, right. Yeah, it was a

1232
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: great game. It was a nice game. It was one

1233
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: of those when we came in and we were, you know,

1234
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: we were doing our thing with the know with our team,

1235
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: we had not started to run the no huddle at

1236
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: that point. You know, we were watching you. We were

1237
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: kind of trying to defend it, figure it out, unlike

1238
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: the other defensive coaches are had. Coach Marv Lee was

1239
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: was like that, that's a pretty good idea. I think

1240
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: I'll poach that kind of thing. And it said, well,

1241
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: let's at least see what we can do with it.

1242
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: But also that was a great game that that ended up.

1243
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: You guys won I think by easily, I think eleven

1244
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: point or something like. Yeah, And I just remember that

1245
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: being at one of those games where we were really

1246
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: really close, and it was it was we were mad

1247
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: because about three weeks before that, you were playing the

1248
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: Washington Redskins. I think as a Washington and Chip Low

1249
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: Miller doinked one off the upright to win the game

1250
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: against you guys. That would have made that championship game

1251
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, right rather than Cincinnat right, And it was

1252
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: still bitter about it was a chip shot too, and

1253
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: he was a great kicker. Yeah, I think he led

1254
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: the league that year. And it bounced off and then

1255
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: we we won and over over time. Yeah, and uh yeah,

1256
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: that was that was the start. I remember there was

1257
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: a they had the bucket of gatorade they were going

1258
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: to pour on my head and I had already arranged

1259
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: for the managers to get me a bucket. When David

1260
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: Polsher our safety are big, you know, little tiny safety six,

1261
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: remember him. Yeah, he came over with it. I had

1262
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: one in my hand. It was back and forth, and

1263
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: that was you know those moments. I mean, you win

1264
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: a big game and said, that's right. They never leave

1265
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: your bind Sam, which is our guest for a couple

1266
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: of more minutes, the former coach of the Bengals, lots

1267
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: of matchups against the Bills and matchups in what was

1268
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: a really competitive AFC. I think it was AFC Central

1269
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: back then. Um, we have a clip I believe of

1270
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: a comment you made the fans are misbehaving in Cincinnati.

1271
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: Can wait. Let's just play that clip, and I want

1272
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,959
Speaker 1: you to talk about that. No idea, what you're talking about.

1273
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: Let's play that clip. Well, the next person that sees

1274
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: anybody or anything on this field, point them out. We

1275
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: get them out of here. You don't live in Cleveland,

1276
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: don't live in any game again. That was against Cleveland too, right,

1277
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: It was actually against Seattle. Okay, in Cincinnati, but Cleveland

1278
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: had the reputation, you know, throwing the dawn bones and

1279
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: the chicken bones and stuff. Have you allowed in Cleveland anymore? Yeah?

1280
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: Actually very much. So you know in the off season, No, no,

1281
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: just a sidebar right here when as soon as I

1282
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: said it, I didn't choreograph or player right right, I

1283
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: wasn't prepared. But the microphone was on the sideline and

1284
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: nice Jerry Seaman, who had gotten a memo like I did.

1285
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: In Denver, they'd had a snowball, he had righted a

1286
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: field goal try and they replayed it. So anyway, Um,

1287
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: I go over there, and I'm saying, after I say

1288
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: you don't live in Cleveland, I'm saying, oh my gosh,

1289
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: am in my little brain you already thought said, I

1290
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: mean at whatever I look up, then that's right. And

1291
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: I look up at the owner's box where Paul Brown

1292
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: is sitting, and he is knee slapping, laughing. I mean,

1293
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: he is his hands back and he is having a

1294
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: signed It worked out. But in the off season I

1295
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: went up there with the Salvation Army Family Crisis Center.

1296
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: I sat in a dunking booth in March in the

1297
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: middle of downtown Cleveland, proving once and for all that

1298
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: shrinkage exists for all of us. And we ended up

1299
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: raising with a couple of help of a couple of

1300
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: radio stations and h Bernie Kosar and his dad helped

1301
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: alone with Big Dog, that guy in the Oh yeah,

1302
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: he helped out. Were raised about eleven thousand dollars in

1303
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: the center. Tell us about the super Bowl. After you

1304
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: beat the Bills, you get to the Super Bowl and

1305
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: play the Niners, who he ran into Joe Montana maybe

1306
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: in his finest hour that game, right, yeah, And it

1307
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: was Bill bow Walsh's last game, he'd already announced he

1308
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: was worked with him. Yeah. I played for him for

1309
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: three years in Cincinnati, and I coach. I was a

1310
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: director of the passing game with the San Francisco forty

1311
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: nine ers as a rookie coach. We drafted a rookie

1312
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: quarterback named Montana and a rookie receiver named Dwight Clark

1313
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: from Clisson and we had a good we had we

1314
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: had a good team. But um, anyway, we're now playing

1315
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: each other and uh, it was very emotional for them,

1316
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: and very emotional for me and Bill as well, because

1317
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: we were like this. We were only about five years apart,

1318
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: because I had played a year of minor league ball

1319
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: and um going back to got my my MBA in

1320
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: South Carolina and took a little time off before I

1321
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: got into pros. But Bill actually collapsed after that game.

1322
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: I mean, we're hugging and I'm saying I love you.

1323
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: He says, I love you. I said, you don't love

1324
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: me as much as I love you. He Uh, he

1325
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: actually kind of, you know, gives out. But there is

1326
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: such a crush of people there that there everybody kind

1327
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: of held him up and he had his arm around

1328
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: my neck. But I could feel the weight of him.

1329
01:01:55,640 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: He gave out emotionally. Yeah, great guy, Well lark. He

1330
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: came to coach the Bills in two thousand and four

1331
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: and he basically talked you into coming up the Buffalo

1332
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. Right, yeah, let me tell

1333
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: you how that conversation went on the phone. I'm semi retired.

1334
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: Whatever you do when you get through after playing and

1335
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: in coaching, and I get the phone call, I've got

1336
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: some issues with my chest. I didn't know I had

1337
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: a hard problem that later resulted in having to have

1338
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: a new heart put in my chest. But he says, Sam,

1339
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: and I had given Mike's first professional job in Tampa Bay. Okay,

1340
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: he didn't even have an office. He was at the

1341
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: end of the hallway right before you got to the

1342
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: office supply closet, and that was his office. But he

1343
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: was the special teams in tight end coach. I was

1344
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: always respected him as a tight end when he's playing.

1345
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: But he calls and said, Sam, I've been going to

1346
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: be the new head coach of the Bills. I would

1347
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: like you to come up and just be down the

1348
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: hall for me. We're gonna have drew bledso back and

1349
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: we're going to draft a rookie, to break the rookie

1350
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: in and and also just kind of beat down the

1351
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: hall so I don't make the same stupid mistakes you

1352
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: made when you started out. I said, you were doing

1353
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: so good there until that last comma and then you

1354
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: made that left turn. But we were that that kind

1355
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: of close. But after two years he said, that's it. Um, Yeah,

1356
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: he was out. It was a good team in all

1357
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: four and right, you won what eight of the last

1358
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: nine until you got up against the Steelers in the

1359
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: finale That year we had it was one of those

1360
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: seasons where you didn't have it quite all put together,

1361
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: quite all the pieces filling in the blanks, but you

1362
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: were close. Yeah, yeah, And that's that had to be

1363
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: kind of the atmosphere. I mean you when he left him,

1364
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: they everybody was gone. That the whole thing kind of

1365
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: washed through. Tell us a little bit about I mean,

1366
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: you must have some fibe, but what it was the

1367
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: atmosphere in the building with Ralph Wilson as the owner,

1368
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: and because I know Ralph had a reputation of being

1369
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: really demanding of his head coaches. Yeah, it really didn't

1370
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: see a lot of him because he lived in Cleveland, right, Detroit, Detroit, Detroit, right.

1371
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: And so he would come in obviously for the games

1372
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: and we'd see him then. And so I'm sure the

1373
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: head coach her from a hum a lot. So that

1374
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: would have been to that pressure was placed. You had

1375
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: Lostman in his first year and he obviously needed a

1376
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: lot of development. Would you be surprised if you knew

1377
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: that Lostman was coaching? Now? Did you know that he

1378
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: at Clemson University? How about that? Isn't that something? Is

1379
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: that surprised you knowing him as a first year rookie? Well, no,

1380
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: I mean this guy had had the brains for it,

1381
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: and he but he was and he was quick, and

1382
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: he had a rifle on, a rifle on. In fact,

1383
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: I worked him out down in Houston with Eli Manning.

1384
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: They came out at the same time and I came

1385
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: back and I said, to be honest, Lostman had the

1386
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: better workout. But I just think Eli is going to

1387
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: have the better career. Just look at a lot of things.

1388
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: But one things is that Lostman didn't have those big hands, right,

1389
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: And when you go to a cold weather city, you

1390
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: better get a quarterback and anybody handling the ball have

1391
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: big hands. That can had a look cold coach your career.

1392
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: Steve and I were talking about it. I mean, you've

1393
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: been all over the place, You've done everything. It's it's

1394
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: pretty amazing. You were coaching high school football down the

1395
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: road and pickings up until a year or two ago. Right, Yeah,

1396
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: I was really good there too. No, we did. We

1397
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: had that was more fun. I'll tell you what I

1398
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: recommend to everybody that's ever been a pro volunteer as

1399
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: a high school coach. Those kids suck it up and

1400
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: they want and learned. The last game I was there,

1401
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: by the way, we had averaged forty two points a

1402
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: game going into the final game. If we win this,

1403
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: when we're going to the state tournament, and at halftime

1404
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 1: we're losing thirty to three. Oh, I couldn't believe it.

1405
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: They we kick off to them, they come down, kick

1406
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: a field goal, thirty three to three. We end up

1407
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: scoring seven straight touchdowns, seven straight. They couldn't slow us down,

1408
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: and we cover a fumble on the last kickoff with

1409
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,919
Speaker 1: about three minutes to go on the twenty yard line

1410
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: going in and the official from way back nowhere, he

1411
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: was coming in from another county. He said, I blew

1412
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: an inadvertent whistle that nobody heard. None of the officials

1413
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: said they heard it, none of the players heard it,

1414
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: so they gave the ball to the opposing Otherwise we

1415
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: would have had to come back of the of a lifetime. Yeah,

1416
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: you mentioned your heart. I mean, you've had well chronicled

1417
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: health issue as you fought through them all. You were

1418
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: a couple of years removed from the from the accident

1419
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: with your throat when you were up in Buffalo. You've

1420
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: had a heart transplant. You're You're kind of a physical marvel,

1421
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: aren't you, based on everything that's going on somewhere between

1422
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: there and a total loser. I don't know. I did.

1423
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: I had a doctor accidentally several of my laryng jericho

1424
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: doing a biopsy and my throat. I had no voice left,

1425
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: So there went my broadcasting career. And then the heart

1426
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: thing kind of came on slowly but surely. I've had

1427
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: cardiomyopathy for like fifteen years. Two out of three people

1428
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: die with them the first year, so I beat the

1429
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: odds once. But I got a new heart at the

1430
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: last minute. Literally, if the doctor said I had two,

1431
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: maybe twelve heartbeats left when the hospital when the heart

1432
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: rolled into the operating room. Back to another doctor observing it, said,

1433
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: when they cut your old heart out and put it

1434
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: on and put the new one in, I watched your

1435
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: old heart beat for over five minutes outside your body.

1436
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: And I'm a kid with the doctors. You guys are

1437
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: dumber than dirt, because we could have gone and got

1438
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: coffee plenty of time. They thought it was just a

1439
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: few seconds left. But it was a very close call.

1440
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 1: And I've God's been on my side on this, had

1441
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 1: his hand on my shoulder. I wouldn't even be talking

1442
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: to you guys today. But I try to tell everyone,

1443
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: if you're not a donor, think about what you can

1444
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: the lives you could say, the lives you can enhance.

1445
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer, you know, has a ligament or tending one

1446
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: in his knee, got one in my knee as a result.

1447
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: Do you well, they extend your life and they make more.

1448
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: Quality of life is better, and boy, you oh, you

1449
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: feel like it's it's a strange but kind of kind

1450
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: of good feeling to know somebody did that for you.

1451
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: Did you ever meet the donor? You met your donor?

1452
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: How your heart donor coach? The wife of the donor

1453
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't That would have been hard. Yeah. The wife of

1454
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: the donor wrote a nice letter, said she was ready,

1455
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: and then went dark. I don't know if she lost

1456
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,439
Speaker 1: her or uh, you know, possibly after three years, maybe

1457
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: she's met another man and she didn't want to mess

1458
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: that up. I don't know what it is. But at

1459
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: any rate, I don't know where she lives. All I

1460
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: know is her name. I know his name he was.

1461
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 1: I know what he did for a living, and he

1462
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: was had a neat family. They loved to have rescue

1463
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: dogs like we do. That's great, coach, It's so good

1464
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 1: to catch up with you. Thank for making a trip

1465
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 1: over you how far you live from your half hour away?

1466
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: Longer from right here? Yeah? One hour in nine minutes.

1467
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming over him? And I broke my

1468
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: back to get here, and I appreciate that. Did you

1469
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: get fun in your two years in Buffalo? Where do

1470
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: I get the check? But yeah, this guy over here

1471
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: for the check? Did you like your your two years?

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01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 1: Did Lark? I did well? It was you know, with

1473
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: him and then half a year when Joe Ferguson got hurt. Uh,

1474
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: it was between me and Patch Cello. And you remember

1475
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: Patch Selo y, I mean the highest trophy. Yeah, And

1476
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: so I asked Jim Jim Ringo when I got up,

1477
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 1: I said, why'd you take me over him? And he said,

1478
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: well you were cheaper, honestly sometimes. Yeah. Thanks coach, great

1479
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: to see, great to see. All right, thanks for having me,

1480
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: NFL coach joining us. We got more to come. Shack

1481
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: Lawson's gonna be with us in a couple of minutes.

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01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: Come on back for that. Steve Tasker coming back with

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01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Health. This is Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bills Radio. Welcome back to South Carolina, Spartanburg, South Carolina,

1485
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:20,799
Speaker 1: the home of the Bills for a few more hours anyway,

1486
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: John Murphy, Steve Tansker, this is the home of One

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01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: Bills Live for another hour or so. And joining us

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01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: now is Shack Lawson, who this is in fact his home,

1489
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: his home state anyway. He is a South Carolina And

1490
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: any of you grew up in central South Carolina. Where

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01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 1: is that, Shack? Oh? This is about it like an

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01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: hour away. But my mama stayed like twenty five minutes

1493
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: from here, so I'm very close to one of my mama.

1494
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: I bought my mama house up so did your family

1495
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: up here the last couple of days for practice? Oh, yes, sir,

1496
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 1: I have family all over the place. I didn't have

1497
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: some Carolina fans part of my family because Montorial was

1498
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 1: Clemson fans, right right. I end up signing a lot

1499
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: of Carolina gear and stuff like that. Yeah, you also

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01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: had fifty kids from your found practice today. Tell us

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01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 1: about your foundation. Oh, my foundation is a shot Lawson foundation,

1502
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: or just working with underprivileged kids, you know, just just

1503
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: give them trying to lead them in the right direction

1504
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: and just you know, some kids might not have that

1505
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 1: father figure role, and I just want to be that

1506
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: guy that you can always talk to and at the

1507
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 1: same time and help out and just give advice. Because

1508
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: I had the same same I was looking at looking

1509
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: up at the same guys like that when I was younger.

1510
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: You know, I had the same older guys doing the

1511
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: same thing for me like that. And I told myself

1512
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: one day, if I get an opportunity to make money,

1513
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: I was going to do that and do it in

1514
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: my area in the area player too. How did those

1515
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: kids like practice there? Did they get bored? Now? They

1516
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: actually a joy practice, you know, the kids. First time

1517
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 1: I've ever been to an NFL practice, So, um, it

1518
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 1: was very fun for them, and a lot of kids

1519
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 1: probably haven't never sperienced a NFL game or practice, but

1520
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: the kids were cited. You know, a lot of Cam

1521
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: Newton fans for the kids. But it's just sited to be.

1522
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 1: Oh and a lot of familiar faces I've seen too,

1523
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: a lot of most of some of the kids I

1524
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: know too. Yeah, it's got to be a lot of

1525
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 1: fun for the kids. But these joint practices, they've gotta

1526
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: be more fun for the players, right, Oh yeah, joint

1527
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: practice good. You're getting that good on good work with

1528
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: another team. You really ain't playing during the season, but

1529
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 1: it's doing it like camp mo and you're getting tired

1530
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: of going against bills. So the same faces every day, Yes,

1531
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,560
Speaker 1: time for a fresh face. In the first couple of

1532
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: series of the Cold Game last week and in the

1533
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 1: team periods that I've watched during training camp, including today,

1534
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: your defense really must have high expectations for the way

1535
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: they practiced, the way they played in the guys, you've

1536
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: got it rotating into that front seven. Oh yeah, sir,

1537
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: we come out here with a standard, you know, the

1538
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: standard every day just get best. You know this playoff,

1539
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: playoff caliber. That's what we preach in our locker rooms.

1540
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: We got it everywhere, and we want to be the

1541
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 1: best and go out there and practice all and set

1542
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 1: the standard. And coach McDermot doing a great job since

1543
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: he's been and doing that. I've seen a lot change

1544
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: from our rookie year until now how we practice. So

1545
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just great. You know, you know, you

1546
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: got eleven guys and guys you can rotate in and

1547
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: now and they're gonna give you the same play plays

1548
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: what you're getting from your one. So I mean, it's

1549
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 1: just great, you know, to have a great coach like

1550
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: McDermott to preach and preach things like the it's you

1551
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: could tell how we came out here the last couple

1552
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: of days how practice was. We're with Shack Lawson, former

1553
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: Bill's first round pick. After the Bills wrap up there

1554
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 1: two days too, joint practices with the Carolina Panthers. I

1555
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: said this to my partner Steve over here, check earlier today.

1556
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: Not only there were no fights, right we left early today,

1557
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: no fights in two days? Right? Oh no, not only that,

1558
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: but it seemed to me both teams knew how to practice.

1559
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: You were almost at the same pace or level of practice. Yeah,

1560
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: you did see that as well. Oh yeah, yeah, the

1561
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: same pace. You know. I guess it came to agreement.

1562
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: He's gonna do things. But but they must work like

1563
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 1: you guys a little bit during the regular when you're

1564
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: not here. They probably practice similarly, right, Oh, yes, they do.

1565
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: The only thing they was missing was the music yesterday.

1566
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: And we had to get on a coach about that, like, hey,

1567
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 1: yeah they had practice was too quiet yesterday? Yeah? What

1568
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: about the playlist wasn't being good? Uh? It was all right.

1569
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: We got five playlists up there in Buffalo. So why

1570
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: do you need music? Oh for one of the game's

1571
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: gonna be loud. Yea, for the crowd, especially if we're

1572
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: on the road for offense and when defense out there

1573
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 1: at home, it's gonna be loud. So with the music

1574
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: playing loud, you could communicate better. And and this you

1575
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: get a little more juice from you here and music

1576
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: of that practice I got. Ye tell us a little

1577
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: bit about this this tempo. You guys have been going

1578
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 1: one on one. Who's been you know if this? Uh

1579
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: of the young guys coming out you've seen You've seen

1580
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 1: Ed Oliver's and of course, Tremaine in the second year

1581
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: in the defense. What is the average fan not seeing?

1582
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: What do they not know about this defense and the

1583
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: way it's gonna look this year. Man, you know it's

1584
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 1: gonna be a great defense. You know, we can just

1585
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: plug guys in and out there, especially with our deal,

1586
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 1: we could just rotate or any guy in there, you know,

1587
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: adding Zoe to the Mets is. We got great leaders.

1588
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: That's why this defense go so far. We got a

1589
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: great leader in the d line room with Jerry Star Trent,

1590
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: then you got Zoe and Michael hod and Ployer, all

1591
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: those guys, so and Tremaine doing I've seen a lot

1592
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 1: of change from Tremaine from his first year. This year

1593
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 1: he leading a lot more, you know, and very more comfortable. So, man,

1594
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: with those guys leading it and we're just following their

1595
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: foot stuff and make the whole defense easy for everybody else.

1596
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 1: Check a lot of fans and actually we talked about

1597
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: it two on our show. I really liked what we

1598
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: saw from seventh round draft picked Daryl Johnson in the

1599
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: game last serious day. What do you know about him

1600
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: being in the meeting room with him and practicing with

1601
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: him for a couple of weeks. Man, he can't can play.

1602
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a great player. We know he's long,

1603
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 1: very long, got the long arms and power forward building. Yeah,

1604
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: he built like That's why I told him, like, did

1605
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: you ever play basketball? You built like more of a

1606
01:14:56,360 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: basketball player than football. So what he said he ever played? No? Want?

1607
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 1: He want very good at basketball. I told him if

1608
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:05,600
Speaker 1: I had that, we need to spend tight because I

1609
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: would have been a credible basketball player with that. All right,

1610
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: But nah, man, he's he getting better every day. Man,

1611
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot change from Darrel. You know when

1612
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 1: he first came in in trying to get his feet wet,

1613
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: and now and he just from that game last week,

1614
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: he's just building off of it and just continued getting better.

1615
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna have to be a great Russian.

1616
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: He's gonna play a long time in this league. You

1617
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: got him, and we'll see where he goes. You got

1618
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 1: Trent Murphy back healthy. He seems like a different guy.

1619
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: You guys had a healthy rotation of defensive lineman last season.

1620
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: It could be even more this year. Right, more guys

1621
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: may be ready to help, Yes, sir, yes, sir, you know,

1622
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: next man up, you know you gotta find some somebody

1623
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: could help in some type of way. So with Trent

1624
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: being healthy, me and Jerry and when the young guys

1625
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: coming in, man, we we're gonna be a special group

1626
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 1: for not just I know, as a whole defense we

1627
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,879
Speaker 1: can be a special group, but as just a defense endure,

1628
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: we can be a special group. Man, I don't know

1629
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: if you can answer this, but what do you think

1630
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: is gonna be different about this preseason games? You guys

1631
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 1: have practiced against each other for the last two days.

1632
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: You think how's that changed things? That's a good question, man,

1633
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 1: I really want to know things too. I'm like, cause

1634
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: we ain't got two great days to work against these guys.

1635
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: Are we gonna get the same look they've been giving

1636
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 1: us at practice? Are they ain't gonna high they playboy?

1637
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 1: So we really don't know that. I wanted that too.

1638
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 1: I was like, it's kind of weird. We practice them

1639
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: two days and we go play them same type players,

1640
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: same players, squad scrimmage. Yeah, that's what it is. Do

1641
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 1: you have a tip pass in the game last Thursday?

1642
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: Didn't you tip on it? Or am I thinking of

1643
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,679
Speaker 1: a practice in the last see to me? Even tipping

1644
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: passes more by see see, yeah, I've been tipping passes.

1645
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 1: I ain't tip nah, yeah nah, I ain't got I

1646
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: did tip of past, probably don't count train. Yeah yeah,

1647
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 1: that's a that's a point of emphasis right now. I

1648
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: think your coaches want you guys to have hands up

1649
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: and be tipping passes. If you can't catch to the

1650
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: quarterb oh yeah, sorry, fact the quarterback. You can fact

1651
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 1: the quarterback with his feet, adds and all types of things.

1652
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: So as long as we affect the quarterback, mess up

1653
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: to throw if you can't get there, but you're hands up,

1654
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: anything to get them far bad ball. You've said that,

1655
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: you know you've seen um big differences from your rookie

1656
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: year into that coming into this year to your fourth year. Right,

1657
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 1: fourth year, So what do you notice about that? What's

1658
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: what grabbed you about this campiston, Wow, that's different this year.

1659
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: That's better, or that's worse, or that's different. That's see

1660
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 1: each camp on being a little different from it. My

1661
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 1: rookie year, I was hurt around this time, so I

1662
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: was trying to find myself way back on the field.

1663
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 1: My second year. All right, it's a chance to prove everybody.

1664
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: Get my first chance to start, and last year possibly

1665
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 1: was on the bubble, and this year, I know what it's.

1666
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 1: This year, it's just the game and everything. This is

1667
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 1: my third year in the playbook, so it's a lot

1668
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 1: more slower. And I understand why we're calling these players.

1669
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 1: You know, I always knew the playbook, but I understand,

1670
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: all right while we're calling this players. I can I

1671
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 1: can know what the DBS and everybody doing behind me too.

1672
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: So man, I've just been grown as a player throughout

1673
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: that you And that's one thing I see as my

1674
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 1: fourth year account just the terminology and defense understanding more.

1675
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: Nothing like experience, right Yeah, hey, check, thanks for this,

1676
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 1: keep up the good play in. Congratulations fifty kids from

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Speaker 1: your foundation here today. That's pretty cool. Great congratulations. Shack

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Speaker 1: Lawson Bills Defensive End joining us, Steve and I coming

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Speaker 1: back with more. One Bill's Live presented by Collada Health

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Speaker 1: from Spartanburg, South Carolina on Buffalo Bill's Reading. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: We're coming to the live from the Spartanburg Mary at Spartanburg,

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Speaker 1: South Carolina. Got a little bit more than an hour ago. Here.

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown coming up. Buffalo bills dot Com insider Chris

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01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: Brown coming up at two o'clock to kind of recap

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01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 1: the two days here. The Bills wrapped up there two

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Speaker 1: days of workouts with the Carolina Panthers at about eleven

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Speaker 1: twenty this morning. I want to say that, making about

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01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,719
Speaker 1: an hour and thirty five hour forty minutes. Jack Lawson

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01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: seemed impressed by the two days of work right in

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01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: the lack of music two. I think the players like it,

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01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 1: there's no question. And he's right though, it's going to

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01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: be kind of weird lining up in a real game

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01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: against those same guys who've been practicing against with all

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01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 1: the things you have to do in a game that

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01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 1: you can't even practice. You don't get a practice, so

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01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 1: it's it'll be a kind of a strange phenomenon for

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01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: most of these guys. But I'm sure the game may

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01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 1: make the game better, may make it worse. I don't know.

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01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to find out. Got our Twitter poll

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01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: up and you're welcome to join us on that. Who

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01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 1: is the best chance of cracking the Buffalo Bill's roster

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01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: is the number six wide receiver. We're just speculating here.

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01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: We don't know who the first five are, but we

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01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 1: have a sense of who it might be. Give us

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01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 1: a call to discuss eight oh three h five fifty

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Speaker 1: twenty three one eight eight eight five fifty two five

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Speaker 1: fifty vote in the Twitter poll on Twitter right now,

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01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: more than nine hundred votes in who's got the best

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01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: chance of cracking the roster is the number six wide receiver?

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Speaker 1: Fifty five percent of you say it's Isaiah McKenzie, thirty

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01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: two percent say Ray Ray McCleod, six percent, say Cam

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01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: Phillips five percent, and have somebody else in mind. And

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01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 1: there are other candidates including Duke Williams, Nick Easley, Um,

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01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 1: there are others, David Sills and all those guys. Yeah,

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01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 1: give us a call to discuss and we'll read some

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01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 1: tweets in a minute. Can I just say I'm gonna

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01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 1: sound like Jim Rome here, all right? You know it

1718
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: was epic Sam, which our interview with Sam, which was epic.

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01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: That was for guys of our ilk and our advantage.

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01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people in Buffalo still

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01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 1: remember Sam, which shul I mean, we hope so guys

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01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: like like even m chack Lawson and he was unfamiliar

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01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,759
Speaker 1: with Sam. WI should because you know it happened literally

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01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: thirty years ago. So it's you know, there's good reason

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01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: for not knowing who the guy is. The diverse nature

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01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 1: of Sam White's career always intrigued me. And again reading

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01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 1: up Bottom over the last when I was sick last

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01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 1: night in my room and I thought, this guy's done

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01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: everything played you know, it's not my football. Semi pro

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01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: football in the Semi Pro Football Hall of Fame. Played

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01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: in the American Football League, played for Bill Walsh, coach

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01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 1: with Bill Walsh, I mean coach the Bengals a couple

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01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: of years with a ball head coach. Yeah, this guy

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01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 1: has done everything right. That's what about a pot He's

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01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,759
Speaker 1: a pilot as well. He is living in a community

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01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: where he would fly himself around the country and doing

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01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 1: interviews on behalf of CBS when he's working for them. Um, yeah,

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01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: the guys. Yeah, he hasn't sat around very much and

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01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 1: I no wonder he had to have a heart transplant,

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01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 1: probably wore the first one out. And it was great

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01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 1: to talk to him. He's always been had a great,

1742
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,600
Speaker 1: great personality and the stories you can tell how you

1743
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 1: know it's one of those guys. You have a beer

1744
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: with him and get him going and you can just

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01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: listen to us like it's a great program. I got

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01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 1: to him a little bit in his two years and

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01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 1: and just to reconnect with him today was great. I

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01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 1: managed to ask maybe the dumbest question I've ever asked

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01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 1: on this show. Yeah, did you meet your heart transplant donor? What?

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01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 1: And not your finest hour, But here's a tweet about it,

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01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 1: Rob k John Murphy on one bills. I've asked m

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01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 1: y t if he ram at his heart transplant donor,

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01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,640
Speaker 1: and now he's talking about me. He is the epitome optimistic.

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01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 1: That's that's not correct English. Not just about the bills. Yeah,

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01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: I'm optimistic about the bills and everything. And look, by

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01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: the way, you can meet your heart transplant donor before

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01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:05,600
Speaker 1: the transplant. But that's not by chance. I couldn't you.

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01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,600
Speaker 1: I know it was a stupid question. Yeah, I like

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01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 1: being called optimistic. I am, yes. But Sam Whitch was

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01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: really great. I love talking to him. He was great

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01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: and made an effort to get over here too. For

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01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 1: Pickins drove himself over here. We've been trying. We actually

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01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 1: try to track him down for last day or two.

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01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 1: And Jay Harris, our bulldog of a producer, wouldn't let

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01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 1: it take wouldn't take no for an answer, so we

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01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: were we were lucky to have Sam on. It was

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01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: great and that'll be up on the website. I would

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01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: think a little bit later around if you want to

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01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 1: go back and listen to that Sam Whitch who has

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01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 1: great memories of yes his time in Buffalo, but the

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01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: time in the AFC, in the AFL. All right, So

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01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 1: Twitter poll, what do you think Who's got a chance

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01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 1: to make the Bill's roster? We are again August thirty

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01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 1: first his cutdown day, so this Saturday, it'll be two

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01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: weeks from this Saturday to cutdown. They only won this year,

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01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: just one cutdown. Who is the best chance to crack

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01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 1: the Bills roster is a number six wide receiver. The

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01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: tweet sheet brought to you by Carrigan Moving Systems, the

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01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: official movers of the Buffalo Bills. Some responses on Twitter,

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01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 1: James says, I think it's Isai McKenzie. He's been the

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01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 1: most consistent throughout camp. Although Cam has been turning. Cam

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01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 1: Phillis has been turning in some nice practices as well.

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01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 1: I'm worried if Cam gets on the practice squad will

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01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 1: he will get scooped up? That's the side of a

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01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 1: healthy roster. That's a good point. If you're practice squad,

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01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 1: guys who you have to release first are getting picked

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01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 1: up by somebody else. That means people know you've got

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01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 1: a good roster set. Yeah, that's right, and you can

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01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: bet that you know it's it's gonna be the that's

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01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 1: gonna be the case. A lot of these guys that

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01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 1: are you know, when he got tough decision on your

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01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: decisions on your team. There are other teams out there

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01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 1: who wish they had those and are trying to find

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01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 1: a guy that they don't like their third or fourth

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01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 1: guy they were forced to keep. So it'll it'll be

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01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: interesting to see the roster shakedowns and there might be

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01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 1: some spots where the Buffalo Bills look out and go

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01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 1: scour the waiver wire in that final cutdown day as well,

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01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of names that pop up. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One more from the tweet sheet from the Cameron Moving

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01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 1: Systems tweet sheet from Josh. Going to be a tough

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01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: call for McDermott and Dabele. Seems McKenzie has closed the

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01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: gap with McLeod and Phillips. Seems now whoever can create

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01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: separation most consistently wins. Ryan Dable mentioned today he said,

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01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: one of the best problems you can have is the

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01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 1: Bills offensive coordinator. One of the best problems you can

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01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 1: have is having difficult cuts to make. And I think

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01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 1: again indicative of where this roster is from where it

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01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 1: was even just a rgsteech, right, yeah, and everybody. I

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01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of people who are kind of

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Speaker 1: on that train as well. That will be the first

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01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,719
Speaker 1: time in a long time where you maybe have teams

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01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: circling the Buffalo Bills cut down day. It'll be interesting

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01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: to see, no question. We got another tweet from Doug

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01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 1: and he says it is is it wrong for me

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01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 1: to say that he may not be on the roster

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01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 1: just yet. We have our special teamer in Roberts. We

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01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 1: have a couple of guys in the race that are

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01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,839
Speaker 1: practice squad eligible. I can see us snagging a surprise

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01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 1: cut from the league and him being our number six.

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01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 1: And that speaks from Doug here. He speaks to just

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01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Or if it may be that

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01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 1: the Bills see a guy come off the on the

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01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 1: way where I get cut from someplace else and say,

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01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 1: you know what, I like that guy better. Um You

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01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 1: know what wouldn't surprise me about that Murph is if

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01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:13,639
Speaker 1: it happens, it might be a guy like two years ago,

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01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: three years ago, when when they try to get Antoine

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01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:21,640
Speaker 1: Bolden and Quan Bolan to come here, a guy of

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Speaker 1: that leadership ability, a guy who's and I'm not for

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01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 1: nothing that he was suspended day for for PDS. But

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01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 1: I kind of Golden Tate, you know what I'm saying,

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01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 1: one of those an old wily veteran, doesn't have to

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01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 1: play every down, just be in the room, show these

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01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 1: guys how it's done, show them how to be a pro,

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01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 1: be another leader. Certainly they've got guys that they like,

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01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 1: with Cole Beasley and John Brown at the top of them.

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01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 1: But to have another guy like that room, I could

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01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 1: see that happening. But that guy's gonna have to be

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01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 1: able to play before he gets on this team. Yeah,

1841
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 1: you need players, Yeah, you gotta have players. And that's that. Yeah.

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01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: So I don't see the yeah, and more I think

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01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,040
Speaker 1: about it, more probably won't happen because that guy, I

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01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 1: won't be able to play special teams. Right, So the

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01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 1: guy that a guy the sixth body wide receivers, they

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01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 1: gotta be a teamer. Yeah, that's it, because that's how

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01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:10,719
Speaker 1: they're gonna contribute to talking about the guy who's inactive

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01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 1: on game day, right, you know, right, he's maybe he's

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01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 1: a good wide receiver that that that allows him to

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01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: keep a dB who can't play special? Whose Twitter pole

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01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 1: idea is? Esta? You were down on the Twitter poll

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01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:24,560
Speaker 1: an hour and a half ago, and I'm beginning to

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01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 1: see why. No, I'm just kidding, just kidding. Our producer,

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01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 1: Jay's over here. Jay came up with the Twitter pole

1855
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 1: we got as we got a break here Chris Brown

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01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,560
Speaker 1: Bills inside of Buffalo bills dot com. We'll get his

1857
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 1: take on our substandard Twitter poll. Is it substandard? We'll

1858
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: get Chris's take on that, and we'll talk to him

1859
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: about today's practice as well. You can phone in your

1860
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 1: questions and comments for us or Chris eight oh three

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Speaker 1: h five fifty and toll free from outside Buffalo one

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Speaker 1: eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty. Come on back.

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Speaker 1: One Bill's live from Spartanburg, South Carolina. This is Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bills Radio. I don't know what was telling there. Chris

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01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: Brown builds this Buffalo Fills That give you thought I

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01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: was going to stroke shave away, wouldn't do that. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate it, especially the fact that you're able to stay

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01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 1: through the end to practice. Steve and I have to

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01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 1: leave you get back here to work feverishly. Tell us

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Speaker 1: what we missed. We left about ten forty five, so

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01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 1: you probably did not see tremaide Edmund's play today did

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01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 1: not did not? What do we miss? Drops fifteen yards

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01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 1: into coverage? He has Greg Olson man to man drops

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01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 1: fifteen yards into coverage. Olson breaks to the sideline, Edmunds

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01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 1: slides underneath him. Olsen is trying to make the hands catch,

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01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 1: but Edmonds reaches his arm in and shoves him out

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Speaker 1: of bounds incomplete the sideline. Erupted it because that is

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01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 1: an all pro tight end and you've got a twenty

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01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,719
Speaker 1: one year old linebacker running with him, stride for stride,

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01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 1: breaking on the ball and shoving the guy out of bounds.

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01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:53,680
Speaker 1: And I actually talked to Olson after practice about what

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01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: he thinks of Edmonds, and you know, he was nice.

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01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 1: I think I didn't think he wanted to give too

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Speaker 1: much credit to a second year player. Um, but fay,

1885
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 1: he certainly, he certainly respects the physical abilities that Edmonds has.

1886
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 1: And Ron Rivera gave a very glowing um common commentary

1887
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 1: on Edmunds today as well, saying he could really be

1888
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 1: something special in this league for a long time, just

1889
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: based on his physical and you know, work ethic and

1890
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 1: mental abilities and what he's doing at twenty one years

1891
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 1: of age. He compared him to a combination of Brian

1892
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 1: Urlacker and Lance Breaks, two linebackers that he had in Chicago. Uh.

1893
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,640
Speaker 1: He said, He's a combination of the two who were

1894
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 1: two pretty damn good linebackers and ones in the Hall

1895
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 1: of Fame. Right, that's pretty good. Yeah, that's Do we

1896
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 1: have that day that tea video? Uh? No, I only

1897
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 1: have audio on that one. Say give us a little,

1898
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, oopsis of how this day, this practice day

1899
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 1: for the Buffalo Bills was different than yesterday. Um. I

1900
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 1: felt like the defense got their hands in the passing

1901
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 1: lanes a little bit more today, a few more pass

1902
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 1: breakups than we saw yesterday. Um. Their defense are the

1903
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 1: Bills defense a lot of guys yesterday, I know. Um,

1904
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: I just thought there were more more guys in the

1905
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,640
Speaker 1: passing lanes today, more consistently. Um. But yes, there were

1906
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:28,600
Speaker 1: more picks yesterday than today. UM. Dion Lacy had that

1907
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 1: pick six today what probably would have been a pick

1908
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 1: six in live situation. UM and then the offense there is, uh,

1909
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 1: there's good chemistry now, tight execution between Josh Allen and

1910
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 1: John Brown and Cole Beasley. Those guys had nine receptions

1911
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 1: between them with Josh today. In the team setting, Raymary

1912
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:53,600
Speaker 1: McLeod popped up a little bit again today so that

1913
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 1: you know that nippin tuck battle between him and Mackenzie

1914
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: is going back and forth, and uh, McLeod kind of

1915
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 1: answered Mackenzie's day yesterday with his performance today. But we

1916
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 1: had a very interesting conversation with Cole Beasley after practice.

1917
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 1: One of the other reporters asked him about whether or

1918
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:17,679
Speaker 1: not he feels that Josh is getting him the ball

1919
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:20,760
Speaker 1: faster than he was earlier in camp, and he said yes,

1920
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:25,600
Speaker 1: he said, especially on option routes, which is hard to

1921
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 1: do because sometimes a quarterback wants to make sure the

1922
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: receivers reading the defense the same way he is before

1923
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 1: he'll actually let it go. And he said one got

1924
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 1: on him so early. He was surprised, he said, But

1925
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 1: you know I pulled it in for the reception, he said,

1926
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:42,679
Speaker 1: and right after the play, I went up to Josh,

1927
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 1: and I said, dude, if you get that ball on

1928
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 1: me that quick, I'm going to get you a lot

1929
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 1: more after the catch if you're so. He's very excited

1930
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:54,759
Speaker 1: because he feels like he and Josh are reading defense

1931
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 1: is the same way now on these option routes, which

1932
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 1: can be tricky. Three weeks into camp that time, right,

1933
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:05,760
Speaker 1: So it's so it's encouraging. So I followed up and

1934
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 1: ask Cole. I said, look, you know you've got these

1935
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 1: plays that you're excited about, that you think are working.

1936
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 1: You're polishing things up at this point because everything's installed

1937
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 1: by now. I said, is there is there anything where

1938
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 1: you guys as players that you feel you know these

1939
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 1: three or four plays. I don't think we have it

1940
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 1: down yet. Can you go to coach Dable and suggest

1941
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 1: that you work on those plays the next day in

1942
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 1: practice so you can polish them up to a level

1943
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: where you say, I do feel good about these now?

1944
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 1: He said one hundred percent. Absolutely. He goes, That's why

1945
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 1: I love Dabel. You can go to him and say, hey, look,

1946
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 1: we'd really like to work on this route concept tomorrow.

1947
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 1: I don't think Josh and I have it yet. Can

1948
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 1: you just put it in the playlist and he's like, absolutely,

1949
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 1: no problem. Then he took it a step further. Cole said,

1950
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 1: I came to him three days ago and I gave

1951
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 1: him a play that I ran in college. He had

1952
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 1: June Jones was his coach at SMU. Right, he said,

1953
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,560
Speaker 1: I got to play from June that I suggested to

1954
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:10,800
Speaker 1: day Ble and he said, I like it. Let's put

1955
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 1: it in. They ran it twice this week. Wow, they

1956
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:15,599
Speaker 1: ran it twice this week. I said, we're gonna see

1957
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 1: it on Fridays. Well, I don't know, he says, Caroline

1958
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 1: has seen it now, so I don't know if you're

1959
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 1: going to use it now. But he said, that's what

1960
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 1: makes coming to work fun because you got a coordinator

1961
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 1: who's who doesn't have an ego and thinks, oh, this

1962
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 1: guy's trying to do my job. He thinks that's a

1963
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 1: good idea. Let's try it, let's see if it works.

1964
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 1: And you can tell there is a genuine appreciation on

1965
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,800
Speaker 1: the part of the players on offense to have a

1966
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 1: coordinator that's humble enough to say I like it, let's

1967
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 1: give it a shot, Let's see if it works. If

1968
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 1: it does, we'll keep it in. I mean we're in

1969
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 1: August fourteenth. Then he's putting new plays into playbook. I mean,

1970
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 1: that's that's not common. They'll they'll put new plays in

1971
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 1: throughout the season, but they'll all be for game plans.

1972
01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 1: When a defense shows you something or they see some plays,

1973
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 1: they'll install a new plan. But all the problem is,

1974
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 1: that's not really a problem. All you do is just

1975
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 1: call it your your languages, your language to describe the play,

1976
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 1: and it's in. But I the atmosphere of having a

1977
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:12,920
Speaker 1: player come up to a coach and say, hey, coach,

1978
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 1: I got this play, what about this and that? And

1979
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:16,800
Speaker 1: the coach looking at and saying, you know what that

1980
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:19,680
Speaker 1: that's a great atmosphere for the team as well, for

1981
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 1: the whole offense, right, not just you know, day Ball

1982
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 1: and Cole Beasley. You need that kind of give and

1983
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:28,839
Speaker 1: take from everybody involved in the in the whole process

1984
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 1: to have some input because it makes everybody work hard

1985
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 1: and keeps them sharp. And that's that faint line that

1986
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 1: coach McDermott likes between players and coaches. There's a line,

1987
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 1: but he doesn't want it to be you know, this

1988
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 1: hard and fast delineation or separation between the coaches of

1989
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 1: the coaches and the players of the players, there's this

1990
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 1: kind of symbiotic relationship where information flows both ways, which

1991
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 1: doesn't happen with every NFL team. You know, there are

1992
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 1: certain people with certain egos that will not entertain input.

1993
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 1: They'll say, you're doing it my way and that's it.

1994
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 1: There's a lot of teams where there isn't that much

1995
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 1: water under the bridge. The coaching staff hasn't been there

1996
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 1: very long that you know, they haven't been there long enough.

1997
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 1: They haven't had these players long enough. And Cole Beasley

1998
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 1: is just a one year you know, they've only been

1999
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 1: here a few months. But the atmosphere is certainly in

2000
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 1: place where these guys feel comfortable doing that. I don't

2001
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 1: know that that if that's if if this staff hadn't

2002
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 1: been here for three full years up to this point,

2003
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 1: that that that atmosphere and training. But what it does

2004
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 1: speak to speaking to other teams around the league. But

2005
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 1: what it does speak to is coach McDermott always tells

2006
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 1: his players, you've got to have the daily growth mindset,

2007
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 1: be looking to improve every single day. He and his

2008
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 1: staff practice what they preach because there's an opportunity for

2009
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 1: a coach to learn something that might work from a player,

2010
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 1: and he's open to it. He's not closed off and saying,

2011
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 1: man that that's really nice call, but we're gonna do this,

2012
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:56,680
Speaker 1: you know. I mean he could very he could very

2013
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 1: easily have said that, you know, and a lot of

2014
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 1: core I mean, I'm sure you ran into some in

2015
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 1: your time that we're like, yeah, this is how we

2016
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 1: do it. Steve, Oh yeah, you know, I mean it's

2017
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:07,840
Speaker 1: the way it works. Something. Who was most like the

2018
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 1: other way, who was open to ideas suggestions in your career? Oh,

2019
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:14,679
Speaker 1: Teddy Marcher Brod's great. Yeah, Teddy was great, ted Toler

2020
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:17,920
Speaker 1: was great, Nick nick Cloud was great. Those guys were awesome.

2021
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 1: We got into down. Dan Henning would have been the

2022
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:22,840
Speaker 1: other way. Dan, he says, listen, we gotta run the ball.

2023
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 1: When we want to run the ball, you're gonna do it.

2024
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:26,680
Speaker 1: He was a capable coordinator, oh, very much so. And

2025
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 1: and if he would have been given the players to

2026
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, he was trying to do that with players

2027
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 1: that weren't quite ready for that. They had not transformed

2028
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:35,880
Speaker 1: the roster from back where it was the K gun

2029
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: and all that into this power run power, oh kind

2030
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:41,640
Speaker 1: of offense and they struggled, you know, to do it.

2031
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was Some guys do that, some guys don't.

2032
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 1: Chris Brown is with US Bills inside Buffalo Bills dot com.

2033
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:49,880
Speaker 1: If you have a comment or a question, the phone

2034
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 1: line's open eight O three h five fifty toll free

2035
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 1: from outside Buffalo one eight eight eight five fifty two

2036
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,919
Speaker 1: five fifty. Chris, you took a walk down the territory

2037
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 1: of our Twitter poll today. Can I run a by you? Sure?

2038
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 1: Here we go on the Twitter poll, we've got almost

2039
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 1: a thousand votes in who's the best chance of cracking

2040
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 1: the bill's roster as the number six wide receiver? Again,

2041
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:10,760
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it on the phone. If you'd like

2042
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 1: eight H three h five fifty or outside Buffalo one

2043
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 1: eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty, send in

2044
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,800
Speaker 1: a tweet. We might read it on the tweet sheet

2045
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,720
Speaker 1: or vote in our Twitter poll. On the Twitter poll,

2046
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:25,280
Speaker 1: fifty five percent of our respondent say Isa McKenzie, thirty

2047
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:28,759
Speaker 1: three percent say Ray Ray McLoud, eight percent say Cam Phillips,

2048
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 1: four percent have somebody else in mind. And look, we

2049
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:33,479
Speaker 1: don't know who the top five are. We're not saying that,

2050
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 1: but we're just trying to think. You know, we're trying

2051
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 1: to speculate a little bit two and a half weeks

2052
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 1: away from cutdown day. Who do you think of that

2053
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:41,920
Speaker 1: group or maybe there's somebody else do you think has

2054
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 1: a chance. I think it's a dead heat between Ray

2055
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 1: Ray and Isaiah and I Yeah, I mean they're neck

2056
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 1: and neck right now. I don't see it, nobody. Somebody's

2057
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:53,959
Speaker 1: got to separate here in the next couple of preseason

2058
01:36:54,040 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 1: games and really say I'm the guy kind of thing. Peep.

2059
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,400
Speaker 1: I know some of the media members got all hot

2060
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 1: and bothered when Brian Dable this morning mentioned Nick Easley

2061
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 1: also being in that competition for the backup slot role

2062
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 1: behind Cole Beasley and Nick Easley is a player that

2063
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 1: I think has a lot of potential and I think

2064
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:20,600
Speaker 1: can do something for this offense in time. I just

2065
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:23,439
Speaker 1: don't see it this year in his rookie season. I

2066
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:25,800
Speaker 1: think he's a guy that is going to be on

2067
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:29,560
Speaker 1: the practice squad for sure and will develop. Ran a

2068
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 1: nice route today that I know our Buffalo Bill's Twitter

2069
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 1: handle put out he's and I remember even saying to

2070
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 1: you guys, he is, he's a sneaky route runne he

2071
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:42,599
Speaker 1: is sneaky out there, and he's he's got the frame

2072
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:44,679
Speaker 1: to be, like, you know, one of those short, little

2073
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:47,720
Speaker 1: quick slot guys. So there could be a future here

2074
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:49,759
Speaker 1: for him. I just don't think it's in twenty nineteen.

2075
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,759
Speaker 1: So if you think it's a battle between McLoud and McKenzie,

2076
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 1: what does Isai McKenzie Special teams acumen have to do

2077
01:37:57,240 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 1: with that, especially when you know that Andre Roberts is

2078
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:01,639
Speaker 1: going to be the prime likely to be the primary

2079
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 1: return um that much. All that to do with it, well, uh,

2080
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 1: Ray Ray McCloud can return also return work, right, And

2081
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 1: they also started using McLeod as a jammer, which surprised

2082
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:16,600
Speaker 1: me a little bit because he's a little light in

2083
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:20,400
Speaker 1: the pants um and they also used him as um

2084
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 1: a gunner once or twice. So it looks like the

2085
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:29,240
Speaker 1: role on special Teams could potentially be more diversified for

2086
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 1: McLeod And sometimes if it's that close, that could be

2087
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:34,560
Speaker 1: the difference. Yeah, it could be that they're on, but

2088
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:38,760
Speaker 1: it means that they're active or inactive, depending on the

2089
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 1: health of the five guys ahead of them, right, Yeah,

2090
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 1: And you know, I think there's a healthy respect for

2091
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 1: what each of them can do in the scope of

2092
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 1: this offense, but a lot of what they do is

2093
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 1: very similar, and so I don't anticipate they're going to

2094
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Speaker 1: keep both. As we know, guys, this is a big

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01:38:56,280 --> 01:39:00,800
Speaker 1: man's game, and there are exceptions, but I don't think

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01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 1: you ever want to have more than three or four

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01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 1: exceptions on your roster, especially more than one at one position. Right,

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01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 1: and you already have Cole Beasley, who's a little guy.

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01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:10,760
Speaker 1: And if you take one more, now you got two,

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Speaker 1: you're not keeping three. Let's take a phone call on

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01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:16,040
Speaker 1: this particular topic. Greg and Toronto on the line. Hello, Greg,

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Speaker 1: you're on the air with this Good afternoon, gentlemen. Um,

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01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of why Duke believes is not getting

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01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 1: as much love as I thought he would. He seemed

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01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 1: like he was having a great practice. Um. I don't

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01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:31,719
Speaker 1: know if he had a lot of drops or whatever,

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01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:36,400
Speaker 1: but I'm from Toronto and when he when he played

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01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:39,600
Speaker 1: the Argonauts, he seemed like he was catching everything in

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01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:41,519
Speaker 1: his in his radius. And I would be good for

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01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 1: josh as because of the inaccuracy issues. So I don't

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01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 1: know if he's in Dermot's doghouse or I don't know.

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01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 1: It just seems like he's not even in the in

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01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:53,960
Speaker 1: the conversation, yeah, comes to let me. I don't want

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01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 1: to get these two in on it. To Chris and

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01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:59,479
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker. Just my initial impression, Duke Williams has been

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01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 1: better in last week. We can't have but he's not

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01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:04,600
Speaker 1: quite at the level of certainly the starters or the

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Speaker 1: top three or four, right, I would agree with that.

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01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 1: I think part of what held Duke Williams back in

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01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:15,800
Speaker 1: the early going was assignments. He was not locked in

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01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:20,120
Speaker 1: on what his assignments were, so he was having mental errors.

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01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 1: He was having busts on routes. You come out to practice,

2123
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 1: you better know the offense backwards and forwards and what

2124
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 1: the heck you're doing in it. And nobody said it

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01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 1: flat out, but in the people that I talked to

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01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:36,479
Speaker 1: about Due Williams over the first two weeks of training camp,

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01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:39,400
Speaker 1: people were talking about how he's got to get on

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01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:42,360
Speaker 1: point with his assignments. And that says to me that

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01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:45,600
Speaker 1: he's having busts in practice and that's not going to

2130
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:47,680
Speaker 1: get you more reps. I'll tell you that right now.

2131
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:50,400
Speaker 1: So on a roster where you're going to be hard

2132
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:53,839
Speaker 1: pressed to carve out a role at the receiver position.

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01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:57,759
Speaker 1: You got to know your assignments, you got to execute

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01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:01,479
Speaker 1: and then makes some plays that catch some people's eyes.

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01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 1: Now he's made some plays here and there over this

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01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:08,760
Speaker 1: last week, so you're somewhat encouraged. I wanted to kind

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01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 1: of give him until the preseason games to say, you know,

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01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 1: maybe he's not a practice player, maybe he's a gamer,

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01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, that kind of thing. But he didn't get

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01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:21,439
Speaker 1: until very late last week. I gotta go count, but

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01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 1: not many, not many at all. So you know, will

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01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:30,080
Speaker 1: he get more time this week? Perhaps perhaps he will,

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01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 1: But he's got a he's got an uphill battle because

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01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:36,560
Speaker 1: he put himself behind the eight ball by having a

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01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:40,040
Speaker 1: little bit of trouble implementing this system, which you know

2146
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:42,680
Speaker 1: is a complex system, but still in all none of

2147
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:45,360
Speaker 1: the other guys are having problems with it. So he's

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01:41:45,400 --> 01:41:47,439
Speaker 1: got to get on the ball and make plays. A

2149
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:50,639
Speaker 1: simple as that, no question. I think the deeper into camp,

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01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:53,720
Speaker 1: probably the more ingrained the offense will become for him,

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01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:55,439
Speaker 1: and he'll probably get on top of that, and that's

2152
01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 1: when you would see him finished stronger late in the season.

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01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 1: If he's got the ability the time, if he's still

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01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 1: here right. Some of the times that that I've seen

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01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:06,040
Speaker 1: him going one on one. Now he's made some really

2156
01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:10,760
Speaker 1: nice catches, he's still is not as good as he

2157
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:14,680
Speaker 1: could be against bump press. Um, I don't he's a

2158
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:17,200
Speaker 1: big physical guy. I don't know, but he does seem

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01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:19,920
Speaker 1: at times other times to get good separation. So there's

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01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:21,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of a roller coaster when he's doing

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01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:23,759
Speaker 1: the one on one drills as to how good he looks.

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01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:26,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes not so good and other times, wow, you got

2163
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:30,640
Speaker 1: to happen. And who coaches like most consist insistency. So

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01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:33,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it could look really good when it's good,

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01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 1: but if it doesn't look really good when it's bad,

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01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:40,200
Speaker 1: that gives coaches pause every single time because you know,

2167
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:42,120
Speaker 1: if they if they're not sure what they're gonna get

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01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:44,200
Speaker 1: out of him. Is a quarterback throwing in that guy,

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01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? When he has other options,

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01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:49,680
Speaker 1: he's probably not, so he's just got to tie it down.

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Speaker 1: Got another caller with the topic you discuss. It is

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01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:55,320
Speaker 1: Tony and Buffalo. Hi, Tony, welcome, you're on the air

2173
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:58,840
Speaker 1: with us. He was strolling on guys. Um, you know,

2174
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:01,160
Speaker 1: I know, the draft can be a real crap shoot

2175
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:06,080
Speaker 1: on days Day three especially, But looking back at the

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01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:08,600
Speaker 1: draft class and seeing some of the impact that the

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01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:14,240
Speaker 1: two sevens are making in Johnson and Sweeney, I'm still

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01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:17,040
Speaker 1: kind of drawn to looking at the five and six

2179
01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 1: and understanding that you know, you're not gonna you're not

2180
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:23,439
Speaker 1: gonna pop him at Milano every year. If you do

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01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:26,560
Speaker 1: once in every five years or something, that's great. But

2182
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:32,720
Speaker 1: are we seeing any upside in Joseph and Johnson the

2183
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:35,639
Speaker 1: fifth and the sixth and the way we're seeing them

2184
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:39,880
Speaker 1: from the two seventh rounders, or is it possible that

2185
01:43:40,439 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 1: you know, we've just built a roster deep enough that

2186
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, maybe a five and six just doesn't make

2187
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 1: it automatically like they like they kind of used to. Yeah,

2188
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:53,439
Speaker 1: good question. Tony Steph and I were talking Monday, Chris

2189
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 1: about last Thursday's game. Maybe we were talking about a Friday,

2190
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:58,720
Speaker 1: I can't remember, I thought to, But Sean Joseph was

2191
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:02,960
Speaker 1: really very good against Colts Less. I like Jaquan Johnson.

2192
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 1: He was around the ball in the second half, and

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01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 1: I think he's got a chance to be the fourth

2194
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 1: safety on this team. I'm not saying it's a lock

2195
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:14,559
Speaker 1: by any means, but there are some instincts to Jaquan

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01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:18,559
Speaker 1: Johnson's game that I like a lot, and it has

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01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:21,479
Speaker 1: him around the ball a good deal, and I think

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01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:23,599
Speaker 1: that's a good thing in this kind of a defense,

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01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:27,240
Speaker 1: knowing all the responsibilities that the safeties have. And then

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01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:30,880
Speaker 1: with Vashon Joseph, the thing that jumps out about his

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01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 1: play for me is his physicality. I mean, this guy

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01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:37,040
Speaker 1: will go up in the hole and smack heads with anybody.

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01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 1: They had a goal line play late in practice today

2204
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:46,120
Speaker 1: where the guard came around to help release the back

2205
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:49,599
Speaker 1: into the flat, so he's there to take the lineback

2206
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:52,799
Speaker 1: around and Vashon Joseph saw him coming and he sped

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01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:57,120
Speaker 1: up and just hit him and he stoned the guard

2208
01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:00,439
Speaker 1: like it was a stalemate, like they were right up

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01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:02,679
Speaker 1: with each other. And Jerry, who was on the sideline,

2210
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:07,559
Speaker 1: goes okay, okay, like he was surprised with the force

2211
01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 1: that Vashan generated. I mean, he was happy to see it, um,

2212
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:17,040
Speaker 1: But I think there's there's it bears more watching. I

2213
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 1: think they need to see more of Vashan Joseph. They're

2214
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:22,400
Speaker 1: trying to rotate him in with the second team defense

2215
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 1: here and there at the strong side position, so We'll

2216
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 1: have to see where it goes. I don't think they

2217
01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 1: they have I think the jury is still out. Well.

2218
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 1: It's one of the things too, is tight ends like this,

2219
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:37,639
Speaker 1: Dawson Knox has who's been out. But now with Tommy Sweeney,

2220
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:42,840
Speaker 1: you're asking why the you know, the seven pick and

2221
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:45,719
Speaker 1: the one eighty one pick are out shining, are getting

2222
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,240
Speaker 1: out shined by the two twenty eight pick. Right I'm

2223
01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:52,479
Speaker 1: Tommy Sweeney's starting tight end. Because they got three guys down,

2224
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:54,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna see him. He's gonna get some kudos for

2225
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:56,960
Speaker 1: the way he plays. He's got because of his opportunity.

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01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:59,400
Speaker 1: You're talking about Vashon Joseph, the number you know, the

2227
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 1: lineback or who's who's he gonna takes. It's not unseating

2228
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 1: anybody in the starting exactly and s Thompson's the fourth

2229
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:11,280
Speaker 1: linebacker right now. And exactly the same thing with Jikwan Johnson.

2230
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you got you got poor year in hide

2231
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:16,600
Speaker 1: back and Kurt Coleman now and so you're you're not

2232
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:18,519
Speaker 1: going to see those guys very much. Well, Steven, So

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01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 1: it seemed to me that for both Jakwan Johnson and

2234
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 1: Boshan Joseph special teams are the key. How does a player?

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01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:27,200
Speaker 1: How did you go about making your mark on special

2236
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:29,320
Speaker 1: teams as a rookie, even as a draft pick, and

2237
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:31,960
Speaker 1: people know who the draft picks are, the decision makers,

2238
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:34,719
Speaker 1: but you have to do something in the preseason games?

2239
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:36,479
Speaker 1: Is it practice play? How do you how do you

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01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 1: go about? Believe me when I say this, I'm not

2241
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 1: trying to oversimplify this. I promise you, I'm not trying.

2242
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 1: What it takes. You got to go to the special

2243
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 1: teams coordinator, tell him you are more than willing to

2244
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 1: play any role he has for you, and then when

2245
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:55,559
Speaker 1: he gives you a role, work hard at it. It's

2246
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:57,800
Speaker 1: that simple. Did you go talk to you? That is that?

2247
01:46:57,920 --> 01:46:59,840
Speaker 1: It is that simple? Did you do that? At Houston

2248
01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 1: came they drafted me as a kick return or what

2249
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 1: you know what. I didn't have to prove it. I

2250
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:07,400
Speaker 1: was trying to get off special team. Ninth round, ninth

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01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 1: round two, twenty six overall, so they had their eye

2252
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:11,160
Speaker 1: on yea. They knew it. Yeah, yeah, and I was,

2253
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, I was in. They drafted three wide receivers

2254
01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 1: that year, so I knew I was gonna have to

2255
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:20,680
Speaker 1: contribute everything I could contribute. So and I saw. I

2256
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:22,840
Speaker 1: don't know whether that was smart or just a lucky

2257
01:47:22,920 --> 01:47:27,600
Speaker 1: guess or whatever, but that and that's even today. Murph's

2258
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 1: just walk up to Heath and say, listen, I'm your guy.

2259
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm your guy. I want you. I'll play personal, I'll

2260
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:38,559
Speaker 1: play guard on punt team, I'll play winger, I'll play

2261
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:40,719
Speaker 1: whatever you want me to. Just give me a chance

2262
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 1: to do it, and I'll do. The coaches respond to that,

2263
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 1: they'll give you the opportunity, and then you work hard.

2264
01:47:46,360 --> 01:47:48,439
Speaker 1: If you're gonna work hard at it, you got to

2265
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:51,360
Speaker 1: think you're gonna be able to do it. So that's it.

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01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:54,200
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's no more complicated than that. And

2267
01:47:54,280 --> 01:47:56,040
Speaker 1: people think like, well they got these draft picks that

2268
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:59,679
Speaker 1: they got their eyes on it. Listen, the special team's

2269
01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:01,800
Speaker 1: corner didn't have anything invested in any draft picks. They

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01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:03,920
Speaker 1: ain't given him any draft picks. He just wants a

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01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 1: unit that phones you get. If you're gonna work hard

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01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 1: for me, he's and you're productive in the preseason, you're

2273
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:11,160
Speaker 1: better than anybody else. He'll stand on the table for you.

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01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:14,880
Speaker 1: It's that simple. Chris Brown a couple of minutes up

2275
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:16,679
Speaker 1: with Chris if you have a comment or a question.

2276
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:18,240
Speaker 1: Now it's time to phone an in at eight oh

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01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 1: three h five fifty toll free one eight eight eight

2278
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:24,040
Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty. Before we leave the topic

2279
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:28,560
Speaker 1: of the Spartanburg Bills, give me any other other overriding impressions,

2280
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:30,280
Speaker 1: not just of today, but the two days. Let me

2281
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:32,320
Speaker 1: run this by. Steve and I were talking. I think

2282
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:36,559
Speaker 1: no fights, and I think the Bills ran into by

2283
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:39,360
Speaker 1: design practiced against a team that has a very similar

2284
01:48:39,400 --> 01:48:42,280
Speaker 1: philosophy as they do, as far as practice similar pace

2285
01:48:42,360 --> 01:48:44,080
Speaker 1: of practice, I thought. I got thinking about it when

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01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:46,439
Speaker 1: Dabel was talking about the pace of getting in out

2287
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:49,280
Speaker 1: of the huddle. The Panthers do very similar stuff, yep.

2288
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:51,880
Speaker 1: And I think it also helped that it's a different

2289
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 1: defensive front. Yeah, you know, I think that'll help this

2290
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:57,360
Speaker 1: offense which is going to face them three four fronts

2291
01:48:57,400 --> 01:49:01,200
Speaker 1: this season, so that is all beneficial. And I think

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01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:03,040
Speaker 1: it gave them some juice at a time in the

2293
01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:07,479
Speaker 1: preseason where you know, the intensity kind of wanes a bit,

2294
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:10,400
Speaker 1: so the timing of it I thought was good too.

2295
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:13,479
Speaker 1: There were a couple other developments though, which I did

2296
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:16,760
Speaker 1: put in my top three things to know which is

2297
01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:19,320
Speaker 1: on Buffalo bills dot Com right now. The first one

2298
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:23,840
Speaker 1: is it looks like Kevin Johnson's role is coming into

2299
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:26,599
Speaker 1: focus now. He is going to be the third corner

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01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:32,439
Speaker 1: outside with Levi Wallace and Trudavious White starting. Leslie Frasier

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Speaker 1: pretty much confirmed for me that he is no longer

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01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,640
Speaker 1: part of the nickel competition. Hasn't been for about the

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01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:39,960
Speaker 1: last week or so. He has just not lined up

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01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:43,680
Speaker 1: there at all. He has been exclusively outside. Something to

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01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:46,120
Speaker 1: do with that, h well, I think the EJ. Gaines

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01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:49,600
Speaker 1: injury had a bigger impact on their decision on what

2307
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:52,400
Speaker 1: to do with Kevin Johnson. When EJ. Gaines went down,

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01:49:53,240 --> 01:49:56,479
Speaker 1: they lost their next best outside corner option. Aside from

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01:49:56,560 --> 01:50:01,200
Speaker 1: Kevin Johnson, the rest of the guys they have among

2310
01:50:01,320 --> 01:50:04,120
Speaker 1: the best corners that they have are largely nickel guys.

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01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 1: And then you have Laffiette Pitts, who's an outside corner

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01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:11,120
Speaker 1: but is on this roster chiefly for his special Team's

2313
01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:15,280
Speaker 1: abilities and then has helped them finish games in injury

2314
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:19,879
Speaker 1: situations at corner. But I think they want to they've

2315
01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:25,240
Speaker 1: narrowed Kevin Johnson's focus solely to outside corner because as

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01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:27,519
Speaker 1: Leslie Frasier put it to me today, they're one injury

2317
01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:29,639
Speaker 1: away from needing him on the field in a big way.

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01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:33,800
Speaker 1: So he is, for all intents and purposes, unless something

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01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:36,800
Speaker 1: dramatic changes, is going to be the third corner on

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01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:41,320
Speaker 1: this team outside. And then Captain Munerlin was working with

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01:50:41,439 --> 01:50:45,240
Speaker 1: the second team nickel defense today getting rotated in for

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01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:48,559
Speaker 1: some reps, and coach Frasier told me they are going

2323
01:50:48,600 --> 01:50:51,360
Speaker 1: to try to get him a handful of snaps on Friday,

2324
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:55,280
Speaker 1: even though he is four days removed from sitting at

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01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:57,680
Speaker 1: his house and training on his own. They want to

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01:50:57,680 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 1: see where his conditioning level is at in terms of

2327
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:03,599
Speaker 1: football shape. So we're probably looking at a handful, maybe

2328
01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:06,840
Speaker 1: ten reps on Friday night for Munerlin, who knows this

2329
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:10,360
Speaker 1: defense backwards and forwards, but just has to get into

2330
01:51:10,479 --> 01:51:14,320
Speaker 1: a conditioning level that's suitable. But it was very clear

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01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:17,400
Speaker 1: what they think of him pretty early because he steps

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01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:19,599
Speaker 1: on the field in a team segment and he's already

2333
01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:22,960
Speaker 1: running second team and knocking Siran Neil down to third

2334
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:26,439
Speaker 1: team today in the nickel, So that's kind of where

2335
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:29,400
Speaker 1: that stands. And then the last thing, no Tie and

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01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:32,439
Speaker 1: Secki and team segments of practice today. He was dressed

2337
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 1: and in full pads. I don't know if he was

2338
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:37,240
Speaker 1: feeling under the weather or whether it was nauseous. He

2339
01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:40,519
Speaker 1: was out there, but after individual was over he took

2340
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:43,599
Speaker 1: a knee, and so that put Cody Ford at right

2341
01:51:43,640 --> 01:51:46,040
Speaker 1: tackle all day today with the first unit, and Spencer

2342
01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:48,800
Speaker 1: Long was the right guard. Everything to the left of

2343
01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:50,599
Speaker 1: those guys was the same as it was the last

2344
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:54,479
Speaker 1: few days, Feliciano, Spain and Dawkins, but it did there

2345
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:56,960
Speaker 1: was no rotation with the first five, nothing like that,

2346
01:51:57,120 --> 01:51:59,559
Speaker 1: because you don't have Morse and you don't have Zecki

2347
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:02,040
Speaker 1: in those were the two other guys in that top seven,

2348
01:52:02,280 --> 01:52:03,960
Speaker 1: which I asked Able about it said, hey, are we

2349
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:06,120
Speaker 1: down to a top seven? You know in terms of

2350
01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:09,599
Speaker 1: your five? Still a very fluid situation. Yeah, we played

2351
01:52:09,640 --> 01:52:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, we played that try. You know what, He's right,

2352
01:52:13,439 --> 01:52:16,600
Speaker 1: We're only midway through preseason now, right, three and a

2353
01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:20,240
Speaker 1: half weeks until the he's an opener. And here's the thing,

2354
01:52:20,280 --> 01:52:22,320
Speaker 1: you can't tell me though they don't want the pries.

2355
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:24,720
Speaker 1: What they want what they have are two different things.

2356
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:28,240
Speaker 1: The preseason is over right after that fourth game. Yeah,

2357
01:52:28,720 --> 01:52:31,040
Speaker 1: So even though it's twenty five days away to the opener.

2358
01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:33,800
Speaker 1: It's only thirteen days away. Don't you think they want

2359
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:35,479
Speaker 1: it lined up for that thing? What they want and

2360
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:37,720
Speaker 1: what they have? What they want two different things they

2361
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:40,040
Speaker 1: want to lined up three weeks ago. But they can't

2362
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:41,599
Speaker 1: do it. All right, let me get to the silly

2363
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:43,360
Speaker 1: side before we let that. I don't know if it's silly,

2364
01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:45,080
Speaker 1: but it's an internet rumor. You know what we do

2365
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:49,840
Speaker 1: with these Jadavian Clowney. Um. Now, come on. I mentioned

2366
01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:51,679
Speaker 1: this to Chris before he came in the air. He said,

2367
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:54,400
Speaker 1: that can't happen. Right, you said it will not happen.

2368
01:52:55,560 --> 01:52:57,920
Speaker 1: People love throwing stuff out, Yes, and they just love

2369
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:00,880
Speaker 1: throw This makes a lot of sense. I saw somebody

2370
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:04,200
Speaker 1: yesterday saying, hey, you think we trade Dion Dawkins for

2371
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:07,760
Speaker 1: Jadeveon Clowney. This is why it won't happen. Okay, this

2372
01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:10,879
Speaker 1: is why we love Chris. Once we got past July fifteen,

2373
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:16,600
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans or any other team that acquired Jadeveon

2374
01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:21,200
Speaker 1: Clowney could not sign him to a contract extension until

2375
01:53:21,880 --> 01:53:25,200
Speaker 1: you get to free agency next year. Right. Remember we

2376
01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:27,360
Speaker 1: had this on July fifteenth show. We talked about So

2377
01:53:28,479 --> 01:53:32,920
Speaker 1: once you got past July fifteen, the value for Davian

2378
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:36,400
Speaker 1: Clowney on the trade market plummeted, because who in their

2379
01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:38,920
Speaker 1: right mind is going to give up a significant asset

2380
01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:44,000
Speaker 1: to get Jadavian Clowney for one year? Now? Could you

2381
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:48,760
Speaker 1: franchise him again next offseason? Yeah, but they franchised him. Now,

2382
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:50,759
Speaker 1: now you're going to go one hundred and twenty percent

2383
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:53,320
Speaker 1: of that tag, and you're going to be even higher

2384
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:56,719
Speaker 1: than you would probably pay him annually based on the figures.

2385
01:53:57,040 --> 01:54:01,040
Speaker 1: So it's just not good deal business. Yeah, for a

2386
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:03,840
Speaker 1: general manager to do that and part with what would

2387
01:54:03,880 --> 01:54:06,519
Speaker 1: be a major asset, either the first round pick or

2388
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:08,760
Speaker 1: a starting left. Team that does that as a team

2389
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:11,559
Speaker 1: that says, you know what, this is our year, all care,

2390
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:13,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it right, and that he's he's he's

2391
01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:16,439
Speaker 1: gonna do it for us, and it'll be they'll justify

2392
01:54:16,479 --> 01:54:19,519
Speaker 1: it by saying, hey, look what Khalil Mack did for

2393
01:54:19,560 --> 01:54:21,560
Speaker 1: the Bears last year. That's us. We're gonna do that,

2394
01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:23,560
Speaker 1: and that'll put us over there. I don't see a

2395
01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:26,040
Speaker 1: team out there. I think it would have happened already

2396
01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:28,040
Speaker 1: if somebody was willing to take that kind of a

2397
01:54:28,160 --> 01:54:31,639
Speaker 1: risk and a swing, and I just don't I don't

2398
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:33,760
Speaker 1: think it's feasible he's doing. He'll play under the tag

2399
01:54:33,880 --> 01:54:36,880
Speaker 1: there this year and then it'll go from there. They'll

2400
01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:39,600
Speaker 1: they may tag him again. And let's not forget that

2401
01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:42,120
Speaker 1: the front office in Houston right now is a mess.

2402
01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:45,080
Speaker 1: It's a hot trade for that. They don't even have

2403
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:49,000
Speaker 1: a single GM. They got four and five guys handling

2404
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:51,920
Speaker 1: that stuff over there and the kids. Here's the thing too,

2405
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:57,440
Speaker 1: if Jadavian Clowney thing to Buffalo, it to think about

2406
01:54:57,480 --> 01:54:59,800
Speaker 1: where it would put the Buffalo's mindset to get something

2407
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:02,400
Speaker 1: like that done. And it's completely the opposite of everything

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01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:04,280
Speaker 1: they have shown us over the last three years plus.

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01:55:04,360 --> 01:55:05,800
Speaker 1: Just not I just don't see it half. Plus, you

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01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:07,600
Speaker 1: have a lot of their own guys who they're gonna

2411
01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:10,160
Speaker 1: have to start thinking about second contracts. We're talking to

2412
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:14,640
Speaker 1: Dabus White, Matt Milano, Dion Dawkins, and then you've got

2413
01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:17,640
Speaker 1: the quarterback on the horizon. So do you want to

2414
01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:21,360
Speaker 1: commit a five or a six year contract that's gonna

2415
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:24,120
Speaker 1: be over one hundred million dollars to a pass rushing

2416
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:26,920
Speaker 1: defensive end. Went, Oh, by the way, you just signed

2417
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:31,000
Speaker 1: Jerry Hughes to a two year extension. So it just

2418
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:33,600
Speaker 1: doesn't add up for me. It sounds like it aggravates you.

2419
01:55:34,120 --> 01:55:37,200
Speaker 1: We'll just do the math. We're little research and where

2420
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:40,160
Speaker 1: you can let the information help you make the decision

2421
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:43,080
Speaker 1: instead of just spouting off. You know, half cocked. What

2422
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:45,600
Speaker 1: are you doing? You're playing Internet? That's right, it's like

2423
01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:48,040
Speaker 1: your Twitter. It's not fantasy football. You got to really

2424
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:51,000
Speaker 1: actually have real dollars and real draft picks and rules

2425
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:53,360
Speaker 1: that you have to follow. Thanks Brownie. Sure, we're gonna

2426
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:55,240
Speaker 1: see up in Charlotte when here coming up tomorrow morning.

2427
01:55:55,880 --> 01:55:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm whenever the team's there, I guess kay. And we're

2428
01:55:58,120 --> 01:56:01,200
Speaker 1: going up tonight today. That's I mean, I don't you

2429
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:03,320
Speaker 1: got a show to do. That's why you gotta get

2430
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:05,440
Speaker 1: set up up there, right, So we do. Yeah, we'll

2431
01:56:05,480 --> 01:56:09,520
Speaker 1: never ends than it never ends. Chris Brown. Who's the

2432
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:12,280
Speaker 1: budget there? Chris Brown bills inside of Buffalo bills dot com.

2433
01:56:12,440 --> 01:56:15,560
Speaker 1: Check it out today's practice report there on Buffalo bills

2434
01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:17,920
Speaker 1: dot Com. Steve and I coming back gonna review what

2435
01:56:18,040 --> 01:56:20,160
Speaker 1: went down last night at the East Side Barn Grill

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01:56:20,240 --> 01:56:23,560
Speaker 1: down in Greenville, South Carolina. Chris was there, Uh, Steve

2437
01:56:23,720 --> 01:56:25,640
Speaker 1: was their homes. It was great. Miss I had the

2438
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:28,160
Speaker 1: biggest fish ride you've ever seen in your life. Okay,

2439
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:31,680
Speaker 1: they're serving buffalo stuff there now. It's great. One Bills

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01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:34,960
Speaker 1: Live coming back back in a moment from Spartanburg, South Carolina.

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01:56:35,080 --> 01:56:43,960
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to you One

2442
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:46,800
Speaker 1: Bills Live or coming to you from the Spartanburg Marriott Hotel.

2443
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:49,280
Speaker 1: They've been great hosts the last couple of days. As

2444
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:53,160
Speaker 1: we make our way north and east, oh north and

2445
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:55,880
Speaker 1: east to us Charlotte, and we'll do the show in

2446
01:56:55,960 --> 01:56:58,520
Speaker 1: Charlotte tomorrow on Friday. Bills pay there on Friday, had

2447
01:56:58,520 --> 01:57:00,080
Speaker 1: a great conversation with the guys who've been watching in

2448
01:57:00,120 --> 01:57:02,920
Speaker 1: our show all day. Jim Harder Court of Greenville, South Carolina.

2449
01:57:02,920 --> 01:57:05,560
Speaker 1: He's got family up in north Tonawanda. He says he

2450
01:57:05,640 --> 01:57:07,360
Speaker 1: listens to the show all the time. He called in

2451
01:57:07,480 --> 01:57:10,000
Speaker 1: once in a while. A lot of Bills fans down

2452
01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:13,360
Speaker 1: here watching the Bill's practice from the most Bar, and

2453
01:57:13,480 --> 01:57:15,400
Speaker 1: Steve and Jay and our crew and a couple of

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01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:18,240
Speaker 1: others got together with many of them down in Greenville

2455
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:21,000
Speaker 1: at the East Side Bar and Grill, the headquarters locally

2456
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:23,520
Speaker 1: for the Bills backers of this part of South Carolina.

2457
01:57:23,800 --> 01:57:26,000
Speaker 1: Steve was there with the crew at east Side Bar

2458
01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:29,120
Speaker 1: and Grill. Hey, Murph, we've been talking the last couple

2459
01:57:29,120 --> 01:57:30,880
Speaker 1: of days about all the Bills fans that have been

2460
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:33,960
Speaker 1: in Spartanburg for the Bills practices. In fact, Sean McDermott

2461
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:35,800
Speaker 1: mentioned it as the media asked him, he said, Hey,

2462
01:57:35,880 --> 01:57:39,680
Speaker 1: we're worldwide. It's no different over in Greenville, South Carolina.

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01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:42,040
Speaker 1: Worth the east Side Bar and Grill, this is this

2464
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:44,960
Speaker 1: area is Bill's Backers bar, and we're gonna go in

2465
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:53,120
Speaker 1: and check it out from here with Mike Newsom. Mike

2466
01:57:53,200 --> 01:57:55,320
Speaker 1: get a story about how you guys got started with

2467
01:57:55,400 --> 01:57:57,440
Speaker 1: this bar. Tell me that story. There were six of

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01:57:57,560 --> 01:57:59,720
Speaker 1: us that watched TV and I just wanted somebody to

2469
01:58:00,160 --> 01:58:02,360
Speaker 1: hang out and watch football with, and then we ended

2470
01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:04,640
Speaker 1: up with one hundred people here. There's a lot of

2471
01:58:04,680 --> 01:58:07,040
Speaker 1: Bills fans here in this area. So now we walked

2472
01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:08,560
Speaker 1: in tonight, it was quite the scene. I mean, the

2473
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:10,640
Speaker 1: place was full. What's it looked like on a game

2474
01:58:10,720 --> 01:58:14,640
Speaker 1: day when the Bills are playing very very similar much routier.

2475
01:58:15,240 --> 01:58:20,080
Speaker 1: Beers are flowing, the shout song is going off non stop.

2476
01:58:20,920 --> 01:58:24,680
Speaker 1: It's great great, great atmosphere, Mike Music, thanks for having

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01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:28,800
Speaker 1: us in. I appreciate the invitation. Thanks Steve John Daniel Greenville,

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01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:33,120
Speaker 1: South Carolina. Bill's Baffia. Let's go Bills. Okay, John, that's

2479
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:35,720
Speaker 1: it's good. I like you introduct I gotta ask you

2480
01:58:35,720 --> 01:58:38,000
Speaker 1: a couple of questions. Are you guys started coming here?

2481
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:41,480
Speaker 1: Described to me how cool it is to have a

2482
01:58:41,560 --> 01:58:44,200
Speaker 1: place like this to go to watch the team play. Well. Listen,

2483
01:58:44,240 --> 01:58:47,680
Speaker 1: seven hundred miles away from hometown Born and Ray's Rochester, Brockport,

2484
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:49,840
Speaker 1: New York. It's great to come back and have a

2485
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:53,000
Speaker 1: great time with like new pal's, new best friends. It's

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01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:54,760
Speaker 1: it's a good time. So most of these people are

2487
01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:57,520
Speaker 1: transplants down here. They're from the Western New York career. Right.

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01:58:57,560 --> 01:59:00,320
Speaker 1: What's the most common place that people are from down here? Actually,

2489
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:03,160
Speaker 1: I mean you see people from downtown Buffalo, downtown Rochester,

2490
01:59:03,720 --> 01:59:07,480
Speaker 1: and even I got people from Florida, Pennsylvania, Virginia. They

2491
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:09,440
Speaker 1: loved the Bills and been Vans for a long time.

2492
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:11,480
Speaker 1: Now I get a chance to talk to Angela Robinson,

2493
01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:14,200
Speaker 1: she's the owner operator of the east Side Barn Grill,

2494
01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:16,440
Speaker 1: And I was gonna ask you, you have no connection

2495
01:59:16,520 --> 01:59:19,480
Speaker 1: to Western New York whatsoever. Correct, I do not. And

2496
01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:21,760
Speaker 1: these guys were you know, you kind of went out

2497
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:24,360
Speaker 1: and recruited these guys, right, Yes, they were looking for

2498
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:27,320
Speaker 1: a new place on Sundays to bring their club and

2499
01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:30,920
Speaker 1: I said, I can do this for you, and they

2500
01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:33,560
Speaker 1: brought them and they're back this season. Right now. You

2501
01:59:33,640 --> 01:59:35,480
Speaker 1: just you just opened, You've been opened like a year

2502
01:59:35,560 --> 01:59:37,640
Speaker 1: or so, a little over a year. And tell me

2503
01:59:37,680 --> 01:59:40,360
Speaker 1: about the atmosphere in this what it's meant. It's like

2504
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:43,160
Speaker 1: you're tailgating without the end of the game. It's a

2505
01:59:43,240 --> 01:59:47,960
Speaker 1: phenomenal group. They're here every Sunday. They packed the place out. Angela.

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01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:50,520
Speaker 1: Welcome to Bill's Mafia and the Bills fan base. That's

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Speaker 1: great and we appreciate what you do here at Bill's

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Speaker 1: Backers east Side Barn Grill in Greenville, South Carolina. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. Yeah, that's what they were. That's what

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Speaker 1: they were doing when we walked in last night. They

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Speaker 1: were they started chanting and singing the Shout song and

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Speaker 1: it was it was a good it was fun, overwhelming

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Speaker 1: at first. And then you know after they after we

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Speaker 1: peeled them off the ceilings, you know, they they turned

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Speaker 1: into a night. It was a nice It was a

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Speaker 1: nice night. We said hello to people. They couldn't have

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Speaker 1: been more welcoming. They were, um, you know all most

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Speaker 1: of them were transplants from from Western New York and

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Speaker 1: it was great to touch base with them. And they

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Speaker 1: you can tell there's a you know, there's a a

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Speaker 1: kind of a yearning to be in Buffalo one game day,

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Speaker 1: like Bills fans know. Yeah, that was cool. Yeah, Um,

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Speaker 1: well they were singing the Bills fans were singing the

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Speaker 1: shout song in practice yesterday especially, they were probably almost

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Speaker 1: as many people there today. Um, but you and I

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Speaker 1: made note of and today was the final day of

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Speaker 1: training camp for the Carolina Panthers. It seemed like their

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Speaker 1: crowd was down. There weren't as many people today as

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Speaker 1: there was yesterday. But tell us what you saw on

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Speaker 1: the sideline. You pointed out to me they have leaders.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, they have cheerleaders a training camp, right,

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Speaker 1: those people gonna make noise? Yeah yeah, And they had

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Speaker 1: to keep this this thing down here. The Ron rivere

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Speaker 1: I has always told his team he just keep pounding,

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Speaker 1: you know, keep pounding. He's the one where they had

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Speaker 1: an axe with a big chunk of wood in the

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Speaker 1: locker room and the you know guys come up. They

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Speaker 1: take a few swings and just to keep pounding. You know.

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Speaker 1: The thing is just to never give up, never give up.

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Speaker 1: So the fans have kind of latched onto it and

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Speaker 1: they have signed like keep pounding on one side of

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Speaker 1: the state. They were doing that. They got guys running

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Speaker 1: up and downstand and make noise. They're you know, a

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Speaker 1: good play happens. They got these guys holding signs up

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Speaker 1: for applause and like, wow, it's a different training camp. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that seems to me that that's trying too hard. But yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, but people, yeah, they were taking part in it.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, if it works for them, good for them.

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Speaker 1: One other person and you you got talking to him obviously.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of parents and family of the

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Speaker 1: players here, especially those from this area, and uh, you

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Speaker 1: rented the training Edmund's father, Pharrell Edmunds, played played in

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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl twice with him. He was a Miami

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Speaker 1: Dolphins tight end. And I didn't remember him being as

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Speaker 1: big as he was, huge, tall, very tall. His hands

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Speaker 1: were bigger than footballs, I forgot, and I compliment him.

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Speaker 1: And he's not only Tremaine. He's also got his brothers

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Speaker 1: who are all playing, and they're outstanding young men, they

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Speaker 1: really are. And I complimented him on his job that

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Speaker 1: he and his wife did of parenting those guys, because

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Speaker 1: you know, you and me and everybody in this Bill

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Speaker 1: this organization thinks the world of Tremaine and he's earned

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Speaker 1: every bit of it. So it was kind of neat

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Speaker 1: to get a chance to compliment his parents on how

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Speaker 1: good a job they did. And it sounds like he

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Speaker 1: made a big play today for his parents to see.

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Speaker 1: According to Christmas. Yeah, he yeah, ded up greg Olsen

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Speaker 1: on a side deep sideline Rouse fifteen yards down the field.

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Speaker 1: He got a hand in on it and pushed him

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Speaker 1: out of bounds. It was a really good play. Greg

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Speaker 1: Olsen has had his way with a lot of defenses,

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Speaker 1: and he did with the Bills defense yesterday and then

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Speaker 1: today Tremaine was a little more on the ball and

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Speaker 1: made that play on it. Pretty cool. We got a

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Speaker 1: little bit more to come, come on back, John Murphy,

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker. One Bill's Life presented by Kalaida Health from Spartanburg,

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Speaker 1: South Carolina. And this is Buffalo Bills Radio. So what

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Speaker 1: if we learned from today's show. Let's we had a

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Speaker 1: good show. We had a heck of a show. It's

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Speaker 1: better than yesterday's show. I can tell you that. Sam

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Speaker 1: Acho was on the show with us first defensive end

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Speaker 1: for the Buffalo Bills just acquired. On Sunday, sam Acho

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Speaker 1: gave us his first impressions of the culture he has

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Speaker 1: found with the Buffalo Bills. Yeah. Well, he didn't even

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Speaker 1: have to talk about it. You could see it when

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Speaker 1: you walk into the building. There's there's nothing to even

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Speaker 1: talk about. You see it when you walk in with everything,

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Speaker 1: all the signage on the walls, even it's the way

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Speaker 1: they just the way they do things. It's the first

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Speaker 1: class organization. And so, like I said, it was a

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Speaker 1: very very easy decision to come here. Was just a

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Speaker 1: great fit. You know, you think about organizations that that

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Speaker 1: stand for something. I saw that my last year in

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Speaker 1: Chicago with coach Nagi. I saw that the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years in Arizona with Bruce Arians, And once you

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Speaker 1: see that, it's it's hard to it's hard to say no,

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Speaker 1: he said, Yes, sam Acho was here, nine year veteran.

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Speaker 1: Keep an eye out for him. On Friday night in

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Speaker 1: the game against Carolina, and we had Shack Lawson, who

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Speaker 1: grew up nearby in Central South Carolina. His foundation to

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Speaker 1: benefit underprivileged children. He brought up fifty kids from that

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Speaker 1: area in Central South Carolina today and he talked about

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Speaker 1: the work that he does with that foundation and his

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Speaker 1: role in that foundation. My foundation is a Shout Lawson foundation,

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Speaker 1: or just working with underprivileged kids, you know, just just

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Speaker 1: give them, trying to lead them in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: And just know some kids might not have that father

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Speaker 1: figure role. And I just want to be that guy

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Speaker 1: that you can always talk to and at the same

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Speaker 1: time and help out and just give advice. Because I

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Speaker 1: had the same same I was looking at looking up

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Speaker 1: at the same guys like that when I was younger.

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Speaker 1: You know, I had the same older guys doing the

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Speaker 1: same thing for me like that. And I told myself

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Speaker 1: one day, if I get an opportunity to make money,

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Speaker 1: I was going to do that and do it in

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Speaker 1: my area in the area. Player too happy to have

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Speaker 1: Sam Shack Lawson with us, Happy to have Sam White

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Speaker 1: with us as well. For they and Chris Brown. I

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Speaker 1: got a real kick kind of talking to Sam White.

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Speaker 1: You can tell that he was great. He great storyteller

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Speaker 1: and has lived a you know what, three lifetimes in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean, the guy has been around so

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Speaker 1: long and only just recently in last ten years. It

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Speaker 1: was with Buffaloe Steve over All. Impressions of the two

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Speaker 1: days we spend here and the Bills practicing two days

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Speaker 1: with the Carolina Panthers, what do you take the Bills

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Speaker 1: stacked up against the Panthers. I think I thought they

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Speaker 1: were really the talented. Their talent showed through. Certainly. The

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Speaker 1: Panthers have got a lot of talent as well, and

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Speaker 1: their stars kind of showed up. Cam Newton, Christian McCaffrey,

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Speaker 1: Greg Olson, Luke Luke, Keakley. Those guys really showed And

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Speaker 1: our boy fa Obada, the guy from the Player Pathways

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Speaker 1: program that we've been so excited about Christian Wade taking

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Speaker 1: a part of fa Obada is now on the field

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Speaker 1: and he's taking reps with the ones with Carolina, So

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to watch. It was a really

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Speaker 1: nice atmosphere, nice venue to watch their training camp, to

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Speaker 1: have a training camp in at least fieldwise and on

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Speaker 1: the football side of it, And I the Bills looked

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Speaker 1: like a good football team. They looked like a good

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Speaker 1: football team out there practicing two days against the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's what I'll take away from this. I

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Speaker 1: was keeping an eye on Keikley today and I was

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Speaker 1: thinking about Chris told us and wrote about it, the

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Speaker 1: conversation Keikley and Josh Allen had after yesterday's work out

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Speaker 1: about a look that Keikley showed him and Josh wanted

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Speaker 1: to know what that was all about. So I just

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Speaker 1: turned my head to watch Keekley, you know, I was.

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Speaker 1: We were watching Bill's offense versus Carolina defense on one

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Speaker 1: field and Carolina offense versus Bills even so I'm watching

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Speaker 1: area turned here and I focused on Keikley and watched

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Speaker 1: him a second, no more than a second, one point

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Speaker 1: three seconds before the snap run to the side, knowing

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Speaker 1: somehow in a practice environment that the pastor was coming

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Speaker 1: a little outlet passed to the back. Now I didn't

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Speaker 1: know that, but he certainly knows what they're expect And

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Speaker 1: I thought, man, that guy. And he's athletic, he's quick,

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Speaker 1: you know, makes plays, but he's just smart. He's just smart, instinctive,

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Speaker 1: amazing player. He seems to be running full speed when

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Speaker 1: the ball Is snaps yes right to the right spot.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's why I say I called him as

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Speaker 1: a number of times. He's clairvoyant, almost clairvoyant. He understands

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Speaker 1: football at such a high level. He watches so much

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Speaker 1: film and he you know, he knows what he's looking

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Speaker 1: at and when he sees certain things they trigger reflexes

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Speaker 1: in him to go to the right spot. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: he is a special, special player. I hope he stays

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Speaker 1: healthy this year and can get a full sixteen games

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Speaker 1: in because he is he is something else. Before we

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Speaker 1: leave Spartan Berger, we'll see the Panthers obviously Friday night.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say doing a little homework on him this week,

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Speaker 1: watching him this week a couple of days. They're a

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Speaker 1: very interesting team. I mean, they collapse second half last year,

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Speaker 1: last seven of the last eight, but they were in

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Speaker 1: good shape in the first half of the season. Cam

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Speaker 1: gets hurt. They're a very interesting team, and they play

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Speaker 1: in a fairly competitive NFC South, especially with New Orleans

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta. But I think that's a team to watch.

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay's made a head coaching change with the Bruce Areas.

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Speaker 1: They should take a step forward. It should be a

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Speaker 1: tough division, but the Panthers should be. If there are

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Speaker 1: anything like the team they were in the first five

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Speaker 1: six games of last year, they're gonna be a handful

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Speaker 1: for any of those teams in their division, and if

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Speaker 1: certainly anybody else out of there. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: the folks here in Spartanburg, particularly the Spartanburg Marriott where

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Speaker 1: we have been staying and broadcasting for the last couple

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Speaker 1: of days, where we make our way up to Charlotte tonight,

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Speaker 1: and we'll be broadcasting from the Bill's Headquarters hotel in

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Speaker 1: Charlotte the next couple of days leading into Friday Night's

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Speaker 1: game to Bills and the Panthers. Hey, you want to

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Speaker 1: thank our production assistants, George Blast, Jeff Coltonick Thomas Hollander,

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Speaker 1: Kelly Rude, JJ Turedo, Kevin Carcers, James robel Our producer

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Speaker 1: Jay Harris. We will see you tomorrow at noon from Charlotte,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina One Bill's Live on Buffalo Bills Radio.