1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Celebrating twenty five years of Jaguars football. Looking for looking 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: like checkdown dry. It is Thursday, January twenty three. This 3 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: is Jaguars Happy Hours. And now now Bobile didn't want him, 4 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: I guess we'll take him Ja Welcome in Jaguars Happy 5 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: Hour on this January J P. Shadrick with Tony Baselli. 6 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: Jeff Flagavan is in parts unknown. Tony's on the line 7 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,959 Speaker 1: with us. Where are you, Tony? What's up? I am 8 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: out of town. I am doing a little work up 9 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis. That's your that's your new second home. It 10 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: seems like you're always in Minneappolis. Now, well, I just 11 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: lit a short term. I'm working on the stuff. But yeah, 12 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: so up here jack Ball last week, Super Bowl next week, 13 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: and uh busy time of year. Here's what's coming up 14 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: on the show today. Jay Gruden named the offensive Coordinato 15 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: will recap that higher. Doug Maron announced that yesterday. In 16 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: Mobile Senior Bowl week wrap up, we'll hear from Dave Caldwell, 17 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: also Jaguars general manager, Pro Bowl Jags three players involved 18 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: in Orlando this week. Ashland Sullivan was there. She'll present 19 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: what she got from the guys down at the practice 20 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: field in Orlando. This week we'll go around the National 21 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: Football League as well. Jay Gruden hired as the offensive 22 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: coordinator the former Redskins head coach, fired after an over 23 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: start this past season, and he was an offensive coordinator 24 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: with the Cincinnati Bengals before that and then prior to 25 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: his NFL scent, he was for a long time in 26 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: the Arena Football League, a couple of Arena Bowl titles 27 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: as the head coach of the Orlando pre Editors years 28 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: and years ago thirty nine and one record as a 29 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: head coach, and Tony if you if you think back 30 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: a few years ago before he was the Redskins head coach, 31 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: he was kind of the hot offensive coordinator mind in 32 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: the NFL and when the when the Redskins hired him, 33 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: the record doesn't really show it as a head coach, 34 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: but this guy has a reputation as being a really 35 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: good offensive mind. Well this wrap your head around this 36 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: JP he took. He led the Bengals offensively, now Marvin 37 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: Lus's head coach, but offensively the three straight playoffs appearances 38 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: and when the better offenses in footballertainly that's how that's 39 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: how out of a commodity he was I mean, he 40 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: was the hot commodity. He was the guy everyone wanted 41 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: and uh went to he went to Washington. They had 42 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: stuff success, but you know, the last couple of years 43 00:02:55,120 --> 00:03:00,399 Speaker 1: was quarterback issues and um, organizational issues. I think they're 44 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: well documented of Daniel Snyder as the owner up there, 45 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: so he's not the first individual who had a tough 46 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: time in the nation's capital. Doug Brown yesterday said that, 47 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: you know, scheme is one thing and all that, but 48 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: it's really how he fits with the coaching staff and 49 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: and working with the players and his personality, and you 50 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: know that was a big part of this process as 51 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: anything on the field. I think for j Gruden to 52 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: be here, Um yeah, I mean listen, think about how 53 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: I mean we see it firsthand, Um, being in the building. 54 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: How many hours these coaches spend together. It's a scheme 55 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: and ability to teach as a coach and to lead 56 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: those are all critical and you have to be able 57 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: to do that. But at the same time, you need 58 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: to have the right personality in the right uh how 59 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: do you say, I mean, the right chemistry with the 60 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: assistant coaches that you're leading as well, because you spend 61 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: time with them that you do the players, And I 62 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: think that's an often overlooked part of making sure you 63 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: get the right guy. Does he fit the culture of 64 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: your assists, of what you're trying to build as a 65 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: head coach on the coaching steps. Forget the players, but 66 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: just from a coaching stest perspective, Well, what will the 67 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: offense look like will be a question of course moving ahead, 68 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: until we actually see something on a practice field at 69 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: some point in this offseason. We don't really know until 70 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: we find out exactly what the personnel is going to be. 71 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: We don't know his thoughts on the quarterback yet. Dave 72 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: called Will didn't have a lot to say about that 73 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: position this week either. So you have a coordinator, but 74 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: it's really building around the parts you have on the 75 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: offensive side. Yeah, I think I think you said it perfectly. 76 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: We'll find out. I mean I think you know you 77 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: still have free agency. Well before we get the free agency, 78 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: what you have is you have to cut people that's 79 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: right to get under the cap. And then once you 80 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: do that, and then you find out much capreo you 81 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: have and you go address as many needs as you 82 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: can um an areas that you don't think you'll be 83 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: able to address in the draft, UM through free agency, 84 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: and then what you do that you have the draft, 85 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: and and as you're kind of going through that process, 86 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: you have an idea of the personnel that you have 87 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: and kind of which way you want to lean. But 88 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: in the meantime, you can't wait for all that. If 89 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: you're Jay Gruden, You've gotta start immediately working with your 90 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: assistant coaches and start talking about terminology and language and 91 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: and what your core beliefs are as a offensive staff. 92 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,799 Speaker 1: So all these things kind of need to work together 93 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: in concert. And it's a lot of movie pieces and 94 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts. And that's why it's always 95 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: difficult to have a coaching change and UH, and typically 96 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: it takes some time to get on the same page, 97 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: and especially when you're talking at a coordinator level. Tony 98 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: Baselli with us on the phone from Minneapolis, Minnesota Jaguars 99 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: happy Hour. How many Redskins games have you done in 100 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: the time he was the head coach on Thursdays? Oh gosh, 101 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: one a year, So you know I did one this 102 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: year they played in Minnesota. UM, they had all kinds 103 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: of quarterback issues. Guys was out with injury, Peterson was playing. 104 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: UM ended up having an injury in game and so 105 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: the rookie Haskins had to come into the second half. 106 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: So they had all kinds of issues. I mean, it 107 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: wasn't I don't want to say a disaster, but it 108 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: was tough sledging from a personnel standpoint, injury standpoint. I mean, 109 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: they were without Trent Brown this year. He held out, 110 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: had all kinds of issues in the organization that brought 111 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: a lot of drama from that standpoint. So it was 112 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: tough for Jay. And I'm not saying he was without fault, 113 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: you know, not being there. You don't know the entire backstory. 114 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: But like I said at the beginning, he's not the 115 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: first coach who has had a tough time in DC 116 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: under the leadership of Damel Oh and five start this 117 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: year and that got him run off from Washington to 118 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: start this season seven and nine records the two years 119 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: before that, but then he had winning records UM the 120 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: season's probably fifteen and sixteen and nine and seven record 121 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: and a playoff appearance in fifteen eight seven and one 122 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: record and missed the playoffs that year UM and then 123 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: over the last few years. But what was the year 124 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: that the GM they ran him off as well. That 125 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: was a few years ago and Washington. So there's been 126 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts around the organization. And they 127 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: remember every off season it was the drama until a 128 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: couple of years ago it was start cousin. That's right. 129 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: You know, they franchised them, Are they gonna sign them? 130 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 1: They gonna trade them? I mean, there's been very little 131 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: stability in that organization for a long time. No, so 132 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: it's caught and uh, I think Ron Rivera there now 133 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: we'll see what he does, how he handled it. But 134 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: I think Jake Ruts a very good coach. Everything here 135 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: about it is very positive. His success at Cincinnati was, 136 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: you know, evident by what they did. The question is 137 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: now is you know it's a you know they have 138 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: a it's there under the um pressure of a one 139 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: ye hear. We got to figure it out now, you know, 140 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: Jake Gruden can't come and say, all, we're gonna build 141 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: this out. You kind of layering what we want to do, 142 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: and because we're gonna have a three year period to 143 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: kind of become a great offense, they have to figure 144 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: it out in the next you know, eight months before 145 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: they kick it off. And Doug Maron said as such, 146 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: in the conference call yesterday with the Jaguars media, I 147 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: don't I don't have time for that. Basically, it's how 148 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: he said it. They have to win. They have to 149 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: win right away, and they don't have time to to 150 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: really get things, you know, take the time to get 151 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: it going. It's gotta be right away from the word 152 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: go at the start of the off season program, have 153 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: the offense ready to roll, and then on opening Day 154 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: I get out there and play. Now, the next trick 155 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: is there is still a hiring process going on. According 156 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: to Doug Marone, the quarterback coach position is still out there, 157 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: and it sounds like he and Gruden will figure that 158 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: out together moving ahead. I don't think there's a true 159 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: rush on that though, Tony Well, I mean, you don't 160 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: want to wait too long. I mean, because that's a 161 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: part of your staff that as you start, you gotta 162 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: remember they gotta put in a whole new offense in 163 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: terminology and language and what they're gonna do and how 164 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: they communicate. So you want that individual part of that conversation. 165 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: And my guess is that part of the process of 166 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: hiring Jay Gruden was Jay explaining and I don't know 167 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: this were a factor, explaining that he would like to 168 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: have a lot of say in that higher so he 169 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: could bring his one of his guys in because they 170 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: at least have help one person on the staff that 171 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: will speaking the same language that he is. How tough 172 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: is that for let's say, a quarterback or a left tackle, 173 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: even when you have to bring in a whole new 174 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: offensive terminology, how how hard is that? How long does 175 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: that take? You know? In fairness, the on time I 176 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: did it was my rookie year, because after that I 177 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: have the same terminal of the same offense the entire time. 178 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: But I'll go back to my rookie year when my 179 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: head was swimming and trying to figure anything out. I 180 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: didn't think it was that hard. Now for an offensive linement. 181 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: Did I know in depth every aspect of it year 182 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: one like I did in future years? No? But did 183 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: I understand the language, what we're doing formation? You know, 184 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: play called protection, run scheme of that? Absolutely, But again 185 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: that's only a portion of it. The quarterback has to 186 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: know all that plus the routes, skin schematics, you know 187 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: what you want to do to get discoverage this front um. 188 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: And so it's quite extensive, and it's you know. But 189 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: what we saw last year which gives me a lot 190 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: of hope in this area, is that we saw Gardner 191 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: Minshew picked up really quick and did a great job 192 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,599 Speaker 1: of absorbing a lot of information enough where he was 193 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: effective going in there opening day as the backup. And 194 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: Minsho has done that throughout his college career too. I 195 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: mean he changed schools like five times or something, you know, 196 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: So it's not the guy has no dummy, so my guests, 197 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: there will be no issue for him. Looking forward to 198 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: seeing how that goes the rest of the way here, 199 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna hear from Ashland Sullivan coming up. She's gonna 200 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: join us in studio a couple of seconds from now 201 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: to discuss the Pro Bowl players for the Jaguars. And 202 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: she also caught up with the Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins 203 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: and asked him about Jay Gruden coming to Jacksonville. We'll 204 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: get back to kirk Cousins coming up. Production in calling 205 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: plays with a variety of different players in a variety 206 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: of different places. So he will do a great job 207 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: with that team with that system, and um, I think 208 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: everybody's in a good place highing him. So Kirk Cousins 209 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: had some nice comments about his former head coach down 210 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: at the Pro Bowl Astro and Sullivan caught up with him. Um, 211 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: this will be interesting the next to see how this 212 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: thing goes in Tony and and then the question obviously 213 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: moving ahead of as we talked about, where do you 214 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: trim the cap? How far down do you trim it? 215 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: How much money do you have to spend? It sounds 216 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: like Dave Caldwell's confident he'll have a little money to 217 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: spend come free agency time, but there's a lot of 218 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: work to be done to trim it down that far. Um. Yeah, 219 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, they can get creative, but in getting creative, 220 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: they can create space, but then they're creating other holes 221 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: in the roster. H. I mean, we looked at it 222 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 1: what last week for the week before with Jeff and 223 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: they were over the cap going in to this league year. 224 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: And so they're gonna have to make some significant changes 225 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: in the coming weeks coming months to get under the cap. 226 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: And they give them the ability to do make some 227 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: moves and fre agency. But as you do that and 228 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: being repetitive now, but I want to make sure everyone's 229 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: clear you create some holes by letting guys go all right, 230 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: let's come back in a moment. 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And see where you know, we 289 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: can fill some guys in in free agency or we 290 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: may lose a guy here and may lose a guy there, 291 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: so those will change. So we want to make sure 292 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: we know everybody here at every position and feel good 293 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: about those guys going into the draft. They've called well 294 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: Jaguars General manager at Senior Bowl and mobile that was 295 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, Welcome pack, Jaguars, Happy our j P. Shadrick 296 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: in studio, Tony Buselli on the line with us from 297 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: Minneapolis to Soota. Jeff Lagerman is not here somewhere else 298 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,239 Speaker 1: so'll be back next week. And Ashlan Sullivan coming up 299 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: next segment to discuss the Pro Bowl in Orlando this week. Yeah, 300 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: so you heard from the GM there, Tony Um. Well, 301 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: obviously needs can change over the next couple of months 302 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: when the free agency and you start trimming as we 303 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: talked about there. If you if you start trimming salary down, 304 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: then that opens up some more needs for you. That's 305 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: why you gotta know everybody at the Senior Bowl. Get 306 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: some base in for not that they don't already, but 307 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: the part of this week is scouts trying to talk 308 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: or it may at least make contact with everybody on 309 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: both sides and mobile. That's a lot of conversations in 310 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: the hallway in that hotel room. Yeah, but it's a 311 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: great opportunity. You gotta be around some of these guys, 312 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: and some of these guys are gonna be top players, 313 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: you know for a second third rounders, and you get 314 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: to do extra work on them. You gotta see them 315 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: in live action competing as other guys. You get to 316 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: see how they interact with coaches, how they handle coaching. Um, 317 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: you see him away from the field, and so this 318 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: is valuable time to do your work. Now it's just 319 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: part of the story obviously, UM their game tape that 320 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: they have during the season, all the way through the 321 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: combine information the medical that you're gonna get and then 322 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: the guys you really want to see some more of 323 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: is that you'll do. Uh, You'll invite him to Jacksonville 324 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: and do an in person interview on site. So this 325 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: is simply just part of the information, but it's a 326 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: valuable piece and you've got to start doing your homework 327 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: from day one on these guys. Um, you're investing a lot, 328 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: and we've talked about it on this show that you 329 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: need to get the draft right. Uh and this year 330 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: as much as anything, you have to two first rounders. 331 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: You have I think, what is the three picks in 332 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 1: the first forty um, And so you need to get 333 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: those right because this is how you build the foundation 334 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: of young players where you don't have to be dependent 335 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: in the future and free agency, and how you build 336 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: the championship football team is through of the draft, in 337 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: my opinion, and this is critical for that we get 338 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: this right. Well, we'll touch on some more of the 339 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: things that that Dave discussed this week in just a 340 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: few minutes here, but let's continue on the Senior Bowl 341 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: talk and some of the the top standout players at 342 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: least at practices this week. As you would imagine, Justin Herbert, 343 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: the quarterback from Oregon UM shows well on the practice field. Tony, 344 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: I'll say that big arm m big name throughout the year, 345 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: and now that the pre draft process is here, I 346 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: think his stock will only continue to rise. You look 347 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: pretty good this week. How is his accuracy? Because the 348 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: big knock on Justin Herbert at Oregon is his accuracy. 349 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: He's big, he's athletic, he has a big arm, big 350 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: arm um. He has all those qualities that you love 351 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: about him. But there's been some accuras issues, if you 352 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: accuracy issues. As you watch the tape of him playing, 353 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: I will say that I didn't see a lot of 354 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: the team periods each day the first two days. But 355 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: against air, I mean obviously the balls on target. I'm 356 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: pretty accurate on air too. I think we all most 357 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: us are. Yeah, when he gets into live situation where 358 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: there's a rush around him, there's defenders are out there, 359 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: is you know how what's his accuracy like? And that's 360 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: gonna be something that needs to be looked at. But 361 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: he is a real, real deal. He's a real prospect. 362 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: And in Jeff and I have talked about it on 363 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: the show that we feel like you need to look 364 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: at quarterback. I don't think that is a you know, 365 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: Gardner Vintchew has submitted himself as the future at that position. 366 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: Nick Folds is still in the roster. We wait and 367 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: see what happens there. I think there will be a 368 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: competition between the two of them. Um However, I think 369 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: Gardner as a lead right now. So you still all 370 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: that to be said. You need to do work on 371 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: this quarterback class. And if Justin Herbert is a guy 372 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 1: that you feel like is a franchise quarterback that can 373 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: win you a Super Bowl, that he is one of 374 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: those guys that can lead a franchise by putting him 375 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: on his back because of his skill set, his makeup 376 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: and everything else. Did I think you have to take 377 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: an honest look at pick you know, do you pick 378 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: him at number line? Because I think what we see 379 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: look at the look at the Kansas City Chiefs. The 380 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs had Alex Smith, who was a playoff 381 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: caliber quarterback, was one of the highest rated quarterbacks in 382 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: the NFL, you know, top ten, maybe even top five 383 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: the year they picked Patrick Mahomes and they went from 384 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,479 Speaker 1: twenty seven to ten because they had a conviction that 385 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes would be a guy, the guy, a franchise 386 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: quarterback they can lead them to championships. And and what 387 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: has he done since he's been there. He's led them 388 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: to two a C championships. And now to a sorry 389 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: about that the camera slide a little bit, uh and 390 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: and now to a Super Bowl and so, but they 391 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: had a conviction. They went from twenty seven to ten. 392 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,959 Speaker 1: They gave up future draft capital, they gave up first rounders. Well, 393 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: if you're the Jacksville Jaguars, and if you think that 394 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert is one of those type of guys, I 395 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: don't care if what you think about you know you 396 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: have unknown about Gardner, Mintschell, you have to pick that guy. 397 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: The question that will come up, and I think Justin 398 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: Herbert addressed it a little bit in his press conference 399 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: time earlier this week in Mobile. It was on Tuesday, 400 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: was the media day. Um was that he's not He's 401 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: kind of quiet. You know, he's not a vocal raw 402 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: ra guy. And a lot of times NFL people want 403 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: that kind of leadership, especially out of a quarterback, a 404 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: guy who's gonna get everybody go on the right place. 405 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: He didn't really seem to have that fire, but it 406 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: sounds like he's you know, I don't know how much 407 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: you can work on that now, but um, how you 408 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: approach the interview sessions and everything moving ahead, that can adjust, 409 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: you know, leading up to the draft. But I think 410 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: that's something that will come up over the next couple 411 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: of months. Where do you where are you on that, 412 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: especially with a quarterback who may not be the most talkative, 413 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: who might be a little quiet behind the scenes, Does 414 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: that equate to anything for you? Absolutely? I think leadership 415 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: is a critical portion part of that position. Now, I 416 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: don't just want a great leader but he can't throw 417 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: the ball, that he can't play quarterback. I mean that 418 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: was the big thing with Tim Tebow. And he's coming 419 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,959 Speaker 1: out one of the great college quarterbacks, a top hundred 420 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: fifty all time player in college football, amazing football player, 421 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: and one of the great leaders to ever play the 422 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: game of football to college football at that level. And 423 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people said, you need to pick Tim 424 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: Tebow because he's a leader, and don't worry about his accuracy, 425 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: don't worry about his throwing motion, don't worry about his 426 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: efficiency in the passing game because he's a leader. Well, 427 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: in my opinion, that's a piece of it. But you 428 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: better have the leadership and the skill set. You need 429 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: both if you want to be a great quarterback. Now, 430 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: you can lead different ways. Not everyone has to be 431 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: in your face, yelling, raw rod cheer leader type of guy. Um, 432 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: there's effective ways of lead and and The question is 433 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: is Justin Herbert a leader? That's the question you have 434 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: to answer. Not. You know, his style is one thing. 435 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: Everyone has different styles to lead and football and business 436 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: and families, whatever it is. But is he a leader? 437 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: Do guys follow him? Is he influential? Does he move 438 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: the needle? However he does it? And that's what you 439 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: have to kind of discern through the interview process. Another 440 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: name that kept popping up this week was Javon Kinlaw, 441 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: the South Carolina defensive lineman, and some tendoned has flared 442 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: up in his knee apparently, I think today, so he 443 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: shut it down the rest of the week. Um great 444 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: football players, six ft six pounds, big body, and his 445 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: press conference earlier in the week, I believe on Monday 446 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: evening when he spoke with a big group, it was 447 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: really fascinating because he came up from a really tough 448 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: background and worked his way up and he has the 449 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: confidence that you need to. He wants to be the 450 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: best defensive tackle of all time and then you say 451 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: all those things, but there was a little something extra 452 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,959 Speaker 1: about him, and obviously stopping and run, having big bodies 453 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: in the middle up front is something that this football 454 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: team for the Jaguars might need moving ahead, especially if 455 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: Marcel Darius has gone, which it it feels like that 456 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,479 Speaker 1: could be. Another guy who was walking around the Senior 457 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: Bowl but was not participating was Derek Brown. He was 458 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: in attendance, not officially, but he was in the lobby 459 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: of the hotel with the Rosenhause brothers doing some business 460 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: in the lobby this week. So uh, there were a 461 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: lot of big name defensive tackles around Mobile Tony this week, 462 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: which is, you know, it's pretty good group if you 463 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: look at the top of that that group in this class. Yeah, 464 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: and you're gonna be sitting there at nine with a 465 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: good chance maybe to get one of those guys. And 466 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: I think, and listen, we've talked about in at length. 467 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: You gotta build the lines. You gotta control the line 468 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. Um, I don't think you can win in 469 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: this league without controlling the line of scrimmage. Now how 470 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: you controlled is you can do it different ways. And 471 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: you look at the San Francisco forty and ires were 472 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. They have a strong offense. The 473 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: line they I think have three or four first rounders, 474 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: They've invested in it. They run the ball, their physical, 475 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: they're good playoffs and pass team. They protect and they 476 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: have the best defensive line of football. They're dominant and 477 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: I think they have four first rounders on that side. 478 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: So they've invested heavily on their lines and it's gotten 479 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: them to a championship. Um, you look at the Kansas 480 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: City Chiefs, Um, they've done a little bit different. They 481 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: have a good offensive line, but they're more finesse. They 482 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: control it by the style they play. But they protect 483 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: Patriwick go Homes and you watch you look at games 484 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: where Mahomes is struggled is because they can't protect him. 485 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: When Eric Fisher was out, Cam Irving was their left tackle. 486 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: He couldn't protect mahomes production and their productions and offense 487 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: went down. So you have to be able to protect. 488 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 1: That's how the Kansas Chiefs do it. One of the 489 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 1: big achilles heels of the of the Chiefs, and especially 490 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: when Chris Jones was out. He was back last week 491 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: for the FC Championship. They were a different team. Is 492 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: they struggled to stop the run. Earlier in the year 493 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: they were. I mean, here's a great statistic for the Chiefs. 494 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: There are four and four in the first eight games 495 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: and they were giving up I believe it was a 496 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: hundred and forty five yards a game. Since then, any 497 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: game under uh they gave up under a hundred and 498 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: ten yards and maybe it wasn't four or four, but 499 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: any game they gave up under a hundred ten yards 500 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: rushing they were undefeated. Over a rushing yards they were 501 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: four and for And so you look at the difference 502 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: and you look how much better that defense has gotten 503 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: because they've controlled the line scrimage, have stopped the run, 504 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: and they've changed who they are defensively. So we have 505 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: to be able to control the line of scrimage. That 506 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: means outside the quarterback, which is the most important. You 507 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: have to be able to block people and you have 508 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: to be able to stop people from running, and you 509 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: have to affect the quarterback. Where the two groups that 510 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: you do that with is your offensive line slash tight end. 511 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: We've talked about the importance of getting it tied at 512 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: here and the defensive line. We saw weakness there that 513 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: we we we had some weaknesses there this year, and 514 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: so I think you have to invest inside out. You 515 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: have to invest in big people. And it's a pretty 516 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: good it's a pretty good class. You just talked about 517 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: a couple of the guys on the defense tackle. I 518 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: haven't done a lot of homework, just watching them on 519 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: TV this year, and you can see how good they 520 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: are on TV. I'm looking forward to looking at the film. Um. 521 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: But it's also a deep draft for tackles, offensive tackles. 522 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: Maybe some of those tackles can be slid into guards 523 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: that were college tackles. So there's an opportunity for this 524 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 1: team to get there's an opportunity for this team to 525 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: get better on both lines. We ask you this, since 526 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: you brought up the tackles position. Can Cam Robinson play guard? 527 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: I have no idea. You never seen him do it. Um, 528 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: he's probably never seen he's never seen him do it either. 529 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: I don't think. Yeah, so you don't know, Kenny, how 530 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: does he handle short space, quickness, quick reaction, everything's on 531 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: top of you, quicker from guards, prepared to tackle. A 532 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,959 Speaker 1: lot of guys have been very good guards, I mean 533 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: very good tackles in the college. It became all pro 534 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: guards that Martin for the Cowboys is one of them. 535 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: He's a tackling college I didn't feel like he had 536 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: the athletic ability to play that. Um, in space in 537 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: the pros and moving the right guard one of the 538 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: best guards in football, So there is a pathway for that. Um. 539 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: I think it would not surprise me at all if 540 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: the Jaguars pick at left tackle uh in the draft 541 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: this year and and then figure out where you put 542 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: Cam and see if he can compete for a starting Johnny. 543 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: That's the trick, right, I mean, if you move him 544 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: to guard and have him compete, that means you know 545 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: you're either nor Well is gonna be gone or Can's 546 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: gonna be gone. Right those are the starting guards right now, 547 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: or or Cam doesn't beat them out, and Cam's a 548 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: backup okay, and he's just hanging out. There's a backup 549 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: swing guy, right. I mean, I don't think any of 550 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: us would disagree that we need to get better at 551 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: at the offensive line. I think we need to be 552 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: better at left tackle. UM. Now, I'm not saying you 553 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: don't let Cam compete at left tackle. He's coming off 554 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: in a c L. You know, he's a year under 555 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: his belt. UM. Hopefully that he'll be able to take 556 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: a step forward. But I think what we've seen is 557 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: a consistent technique and footwork issues from the day he 558 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: showed up here that have continued and become a habit, 559 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: and regardless of how his knee feels, he's gonna have 560 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: to change those habits. Let's let's touch on some of 561 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: the things Dave called well Jaguars general manager discussed earlier 562 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: this week in an interview on Jaguars dot com. He 563 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: was in Mobile this week, and you know, the number 564 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: one priority, he said in that press conference right after 565 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: the end of the season, after they were both announced 566 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: that Dave and Doug were both coming back. The number 567 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: one priority was unique in Gotway and he still sounded 568 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: confident that he could get the deal done and in 569 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: Goquay would be a Jaguar. But then in Gotway. Over 570 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: the next couple of days after that, As sent a 571 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: few cryptic tweets out Tony one of those master of 572 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: my Fate. The next one after that interview came out 573 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: was don't believe everything you hear later that day one 574 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: word free and then uh in a response to Robert Mathis. 575 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: At one point, um he said, a new chapter. So 576 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: the unique sounds like you know if you're if you're 577 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: following tweets, which is a dangerous thing to do because 578 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: you never know which path this is going to go down. Um, 579 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: it sounds like he thinks he's going to be a 580 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: free agent. There's he's not gonna be a He's not 581 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: gonna be a free agent. I would be shocked if 582 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: he's a free agent. I think the worst case scenario 583 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: for him, which is you know, not great for him, 584 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: is he's gonna be franchised. Best case scenario from him 585 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: is he gets a long term deal and he gets 586 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: what he wants. Um. You know, as far as Twitter 587 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: and social media this time of year, I don't care, 588 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: and I love you on I think he's a great player, 589 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: and I think he's really a pro, and you want 590 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: him on your team. But I don't care what the 591 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: social media says because it's cryptic people. You know, I think, 592 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: me included. You spend ways too much time on the 593 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: day on social media and you say things and you 594 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: put things out and who knows what it means, especially 595 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: the way you guys communicating nowadays. So we'll wait and see. Um. 596 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: The reality is the leverage right now is with the 597 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: Jaguars because they have the franchise, Tech and Caldwell. This week, 598 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: another obviously hot button topic is the quarterback positions. He 599 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: didn't have a lot new to add to that this week, 600 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: you know when I asked his status of his quarterback 601 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: room here. But um, you know, in time, we'll see 602 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: what happens with that. If they do, you think they'll 603 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: shop folds. Do you what's gonna happen with that position? 604 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: If you had to pick it right now? January? I 605 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: both are back. I think they're both competing. I think 606 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: going in Garnment she has a leg up. I just 607 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: don't see anyone trading for Nick Foles' contract. Um, now 608 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: do the Jaguars say if we trade and I don't 609 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: know the cap ramifications JP, if we trade them, obviously, 610 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: if we cut them, it's thirty four million dollars of 611 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: dead money. If you trade him, could you trade him 612 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: to a team that is looking for a guy to 613 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: compete for the starting job and they take his cap 614 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: number and you the Jaguars pay a significant piece of 615 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,959 Speaker 1: his salary, and so you get him off the books. 616 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: And we'd have to ask Tim Walsh or uh or 617 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: someone in one of the cap experts exactly what a 618 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: trade trigger is compared to being cut. But if you're 619 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: able to get the cap relief, you wanted and trade him. 620 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: Would you be willing to pay if his base salary 621 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: is million dollars next year, are you willing to pay 622 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: eighteen of it? Uh to trade him? Now? You could 623 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: make the case that that makes sense because you free 624 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: up the cap. You already owe it to him no 625 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: matter what, So why not just pay it to him, 626 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: Let him go beyond another team, and you free up 627 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: the cap room and you can move on and build 628 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: build out your roster um. So that, I mean, that's 629 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: the ones that AREO. I think you could kind of 630 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: look at. But you have to find the trading partner 631 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: that basically says, we're okay taking the cap pip. We 632 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: have plenty of cap room, and we feel like Nick 633 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: Foles can compete for the starting job and help us win. 634 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: Who that team is, you know, who knows who it is. 635 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: But I think that's the only chance you have of 636 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: seeing Nicholes not here. What if that's the Jaguars? What 637 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: if it just they just let it ride? Yeah, that's 638 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think I think most likely the 639 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: scenario is gonna be is he's gonna be on this 640 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: roster and then what if he comes out like last 641 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: traded camp and and lights it up and looks ten 642 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: times better than Gardner. Well, then we have a problem, 643 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: do you no, No, when I say a problem that 644 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: you have the controversy. You have a quarterback controversy of 645 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: fans and we want Mark Minshew, we want Folds, and 646 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: you go back and forth, and then the question is, 647 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: at the first sign of trouble for Folds, do you 648 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: have a team that's bounced back and forth between quarterbacks, 649 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: which in the history of the NFL has not really 650 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: worked very well. It's amazing how how fast that happened 651 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: last year in training camp and the preseason and all 652 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: that free agency. Nick Foles is coming. This is unbelievable. Wow, 653 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: he's gone to two playoffs and it was a Super 654 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: Bowl m v P and it was everybody loved him. 655 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: And he gets hurt on the eleventh play and then 656 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: men's humania happens. And then here comes Folds back off 657 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: the bench and loses two games, it gets pulled out 658 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: of another at halftime. And now you asked Jaguar fans 659 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: and they want him out of town, a lot of them, 660 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: which is that's a that's a fast turnaround. Yeah, it's 661 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: a it's a little bit ridiculous JP in my opinion. 662 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,760 Speaker 1: I mean, the guy played two and a half games 663 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: and and was hurt and had all kinds of issues. UM, 664 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: So I I don't understand it, to be honest with you, UM, 665 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: it's due to this though I actually do understand that 666 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that. It's just it's unfortunate if you're 667 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: Nick Foles. What happen it was is the hype of 668 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: Nick Foles excitement. It was clear he was the better 669 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 1: quarterback in training camp between him and Minshew. He's your starter. 670 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 1: There's no questions. Heck, there's half the people. And I 671 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 1: believe if you gave truth certain to the people in 672 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: the building that they were looking to possibly cut Minshew 673 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: and put him on practice squad or something and try 674 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: to go get a veteran. UM. I don't think he 675 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: was unanimous. Everyone thought that Minshew was to get back up. 676 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: And I guarantee you there was no one in that 677 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: building that, Hey, Mintshew could be the future franchise quarterback 678 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: of this organization. UM. I don't buy that. But what 679 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 1: happened is he came in and he excelled for a rookie, 680 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: especially he wildly out performed any expectations, so it even 681 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: feels better because of how far he outperformed the expectations. 682 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: So now there's this excitement, there's this momentum and everything else. 683 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: And when Folds comes back in and it goes as 684 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: bad as it does, that's why you have this really 685 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,919 Speaker 1: all of a sudden dime, you know, just a die 686 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: bollicles shift like just unbelievable, like off the chart shift 687 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: from how we feel about foals and and how we 688 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: feel about Minshe because of how much Folds underperformed compared 689 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 1: to expectations means you overperformed compared to expectations. So it 690 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: widens the gulf. And that's why we sit where we 691 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: do today. Now, what's all that said. I'm not convinced 692 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: that Nick Foles can't do it because that would mean 693 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: what all of us saw on training camp was make 694 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: believe what happened we sat there and launched it. Yeah, 695 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: I don't buy that. Now. What I do believe is 696 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: that in today's NFL, you're I think you need to 697 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: have an athletic, globile quarterback. Not it doesn't have to 698 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: be to the extent of Lamar Jackson, but you need 699 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 1: a guy who can move in the pocket and make 700 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: plays with his legs. Meant you is better at that 701 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: than Nick Foles. And so it's gonna be really an 702 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,439 Speaker 1: interesting journey. Um and see how this plays out, and 703 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, and then you have the whole thing with 704 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: what Jake Gruden and what kind of system does he 705 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: come in and who who fits better? So it's a 706 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: wait and see. I think Mitschu has the edge and 707 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: I think if the Jaguars could find a trading partner 708 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: that took his cat number, they're probably willing to pay 709 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: a big portion of his salary just to get him 710 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,959 Speaker 1: off the cap. We're back in a moment, Tony, and 711 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna hear from a Hall of Fame defensive lineman 712 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: who used to play against you from time to time. 713 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 1: I know you're excited to hear it. It's uh intriguing stuff. 714 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: Ashlan Sullivan set to join us as well to recap 715 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl week for the Jaguars. Calais Campbell, Josh Allen, 716 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 1: and d J. H. 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So it's been really good. 775 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,839 Speaker 1: And when we get back on Thursday and Friday at 776 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: the end of this week, we'll continue that with the 777 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: coaches and the personnel staff too. Dave called Will Jaguars 778 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: general manager at the Senior Bowl this week. Welcome back, Jaguars, 779 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: Happy our g P, Shadrick Tony Bselly. Uh. That's another 780 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: thing we haven't really touched on in this show yet, 781 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 1: but it's gonna be a topic, I think, at least 782 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: early in this off season. 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Like how do you build a roster without 792 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 1: buy in from your coaching staff. It's interesting, Like the 793 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: way it should be is like the coaching staff says, 794 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: this is the style we're gonna play, this is the 795 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 1: profile the players we want, and that we need to 796 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: win football games, and it's the job of the GM 797 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 1: and the scouts to go get those guys into working 798 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: collaboration with the coaching staff. Which sounds like that's what 799 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: they're doing now. But why was that not happening before? 800 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,799 Speaker 1: But I guess what And it's good question, it's a 801 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 1: fair question. But at the same time time, I guess 802 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter at this point. UM, it sounds like 803 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: they got it right. So hopefully we see a difference 804 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,800 Speaker 1: in a good change in that UM we get a 805 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 1: going and it's it's not too late in the sense 806 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 1: of not too late overall. Obviously it's not too late 807 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: over all. You can rebuild and do it. But I 808 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 1: think for this group, you know, this is a really 809 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: important year, and I hope it's not too late for UM, 810 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,320 Speaker 1: this group that they can figure out and rebuild the 811 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 1: roster and and get us to a point as an 812 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,799 Speaker 1: organization that we're in the playoffs next year and we're 813 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: fighting and we're in the tournament because once you get 814 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: in the tournament, you have a chance to go to 815 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: the super Bowl, and that's what everyone's playing for. Well, 816 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,840 Speaker 1: here from Ashlan Sullivan coming up in just a few minutes, 817 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: we'll go over her visit to the Pro Bowl. Here 818 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 1: from a couple of the Jaguars players and a Hall 819 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,839 Speaker 1: of Fame defensive lineman who played against you, Tony. That's 820 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: coming up, but first let's recap the championship games from 821 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 1: last week. The Chiefs over the Titans of the FC 822 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 1: Championship game the final. Patrick Mahomes was spectacular in that 823 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,760 Speaker 1: football game, Tony. Yeah, I did that game, and um, 824 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,720 Speaker 1: he is a great player. I mean, for my money, 825 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 1: he's the best quarterback in football. Now. He didn't have 826 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 1: the best year. Lamar Jackson had the best year at 827 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,360 Speaker 1: that position, and I think he's the m v P 828 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 1: and he deserves it. He was fabulous this year. But 829 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,840 Speaker 1: the best quarterback, I would argue, the best football player, 830 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,760 Speaker 1: um is Patrick Holmes. From the standpoint of imagine if 831 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: you said, Okay, we're disbanding the NFL and we're creating 832 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: a new football league, and there's thirty two teams, and 833 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:49,759 Speaker 1: every player goes into the draft, and we're gonna have, 834 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 1: you know, all these rounds, and we're gonna pick who 835 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:58,680 Speaker 1: would be the first overall pick of every team. That's 836 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 1: pretty darn close to Mahome I can't take him another guy. 837 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 1: Who else would you pick besides Patrick Mahomes to build 838 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,360 Speaker 1: your team around. I mean, he could do it all. 839 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,880 Speaker 1: He is the best player. JP is fabulous. Um. But 840 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 1: the biggest story to be the biggest story of that game, though, 841 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 1: was just the awful and confusing and mind head scratching, 842 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,880 Speaker 1: mind bending strategy of the Tennessee Titans who decided to 843 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: only give the hottest running back in the NFL, who's 844 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,800 Speaker 1: carried them to the playoffs three carries in the second 845 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,440 Speaker 1: half and everyone's as well. 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But that was I said it. During 866 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: the middle of the game. I kept on saying, Yep, 867 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,520 Speaker 1: here they go. They're gonna go to They're gonna go 868 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: to Derrick Henry, and they never did in the second half. 869 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,280 Speaker 1: Some quick thoughts about the NFC Championship game. The forty 870 00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,920 Speaker 1: Niners over the Packers thirty seven and twenty. Jimmy can 871 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 1: Raffalo through the ball eight times in the game. They 872 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: dominated on the ground, Tony Yeah, when when when the 873 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 1: Packers decided they didn't want to tackle the forty night 874 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,319 Speaker 1: and running backs and they were going to play two 875 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: hand touch until he got ten yards down the field, 876 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,840 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you throw it right um, so, what's the 877 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,840 Speaker 1: point of throwing the football. You're more productive running the 878 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,919 Speaker 1: ball um less risk And the game actually went pretty 879 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: much how I thought it was. I thought the Forts 880 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,680 Speaker 1: would dominate the Packers. They dominated them during the regular season, 881 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,680 Speaker 1: they dominated them during the playoffs. This playoff game, the 882 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 1: championship game, I did not think that would be a 883 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,440 Speaker 1: close game. I thought the better game was the Chiefs 884 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,799 Speaker 1: and the Tenant and the Titans going in. It ended 885 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,120 Speaker 1: up being. Um, the Packers where they were thirteen and 886 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,319 Speaker 1: three this year the regular season, one a playoff game, 887 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 1: but they were I think a pretty soft thirteen and 888 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 1: three team in my opinion. Let's come back. Ashton Sullivan 889 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,360 Speaker 1: joins us in Studio to recap for a week of 890 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl in Orlando. 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Five O five is Marley Starters. You love 946 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:23,240 Speaker 1: five oh five Southwestern Jaguars. Happy Hour continues. J P. Shadrick, 947 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,600 Speaker 1: Tony Boselli, and Ashland Sullivan joins us in studio. What's 948 00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:32,480 Speaker 1: how's it going? It's going. Yes, everybody's back from other 949 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,840 Speaker 1: kids back in the office. We got back from Mobile 950 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,680 Speaker 1: a few minutes ago. You got back from Orlando a 951 00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,200 Speaker 1: few minutes ago. I might have gotten over the speed 952 00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,480 Speaker 1: limit to get back here, but don't tell anyone I 953 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,360 Speaker 1: said that. I said a land speed record from Mobile 954 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,600 Speaker 1: to jackson Ville to day. I think on what you 955 00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,200 Speaker 1: gotta do? Um, you were Pro Bowl this week and 956 00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,959 Speaker 1: there were three Jaguars at the Pro Bowl this week. 957 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,160 Speaker 1: And Klarius has done this thing before. But the other 958 00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,319 Speaker 1: two guys, Josh Allen and d J Chark, it's their 959 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,759 Speaker 1: first girl round. How is everybody feeling pretty goods five 960 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,280 Speaker 1: time Pro Bowler, he gets it, he understands and throughout 961 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,080 Speaker 1: the entire season he was really harping on Josh Allen 962 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,960 Speaker 1: making it. I mean multiple times he was saying, you know, Josh, 963 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,600 Speaker 1: don't brag on yourself. Let others brag for you. And 964 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,160 Speaker 1: he was the one bragging for him. So for Josh 965 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,480 Speaker 1: Allen and d J Chark just like giddy kid in 966 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,560 Speaker 1: a candy store, so happy to be there. DJ Chark 967 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,280 Speaker 1: was saying, you know, eight touchdowns over a thousand yards 968 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,759 Speaker 1: on the season, but the Pro Bowl really makes it 969 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 1: a season that he will remember. I think I think 970 00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,520 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl put it over the top. I told 971 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,960 Speaker 1: myself I was going to try to get a thousand yards. Um. 972 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,600 Speaker 1: I didn't really have an ideal on the testdowns, but 973 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:54,440 Speaker 1: I think the Pro Bowl definitely like solidifieder. Look at 974 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:59,240 Speaker 1: those shades, Yeah, Oakley sponsor, they all had him Kleis, 975 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,319 Speaker 1: Josh Salon in detail, and what a hear he had. 976 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,160 Speaker 1: I mean for a guy who on the offensive side 977 00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,040 Speaker 1: didn't really have much going last year, big on the 978 00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,040 Speaker 1: special team side, certainly, Tony. For him to break out 979 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,160 Speaker 1: and play like he did this year with the offense 980 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,600 Speaker 1: as inconsistent as it was, that's a heck of a 981 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,200 Speaker 1: year Tony for him. Yeah, and he did it missing 982 00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,240 Speaker 1: the game too. Let's not forgetting that the angle injury 983 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,600 Speaker 1: that we missed one game and then was slowed up 984 00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,680 Speaker 1: the second game. I mean the first game he came back, 985 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,600 Speaker 1: so that's two games. Really you didn't have the production 986 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,319 Speaker 1: that you were used to seeing. So he pretty much 987 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,279 Speaker 1: did that in the fourteen game season. He was outstanding. 988 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,080 Speaker 1: He took a huge jump from a year one to 989 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,360 Speaker 1: year two. That's what you want from your young players, 990 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,920 Speaker 1: Like you know that there's gonna be growing pains as 991 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,799 Speaker 1: a rookie. You're figuring it out, especially at the wide 992 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,000 Speaker 1: receiver position. That can be a tough adjustment because of 993 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,920 Speaker 1: the how to win against top end corners, how to 994 00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,439 Speaker 1: beat press coverage, how to have really concise uh route 995 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,720 Speaker 1: running um, so it could be tough. He earned his stripes. 996 00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,560 Speaker 1: He played special teams and then he came out. I 997 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,600 Speaker 1: didn't see this coming, I'll be honest with you, um, 998 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,480 Speaker 1: but he was dynamic. He was a big play guy, 999 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,440 Speaker 1: and he had a great year and I'm really excited 1000 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,040 Speaker 1: for him that he ended up making the Pro Bowl. 1001 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,200 Speaker 1: Let's see what the future holds for him too. It 1002 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,440 Speaker 1: seems bright for him and the Jaguars offense. You know, 1003 00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,040 Speaker 1: when you walk around a Pro Bowl practice, you never 1004 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,399 Speaker 1: really know who you're gonna see. And you're obviously gonna 1005 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,560 Speaker 1: see some Pro bowler is your Pro Bowl practice, but 1006 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna see you might see some former Pro bowlers too, 1007 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,080 Speaker 1: and a guy who's in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. 1008 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,600 Speaker 1: You had a chance to catch up with one of 1009 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,240 Speaker 1: those guys this week too, Yes, Hall of Fame defensive 1010 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,759 Speaker 1: end Bruce Smith. He was talking to Josh Allen and 1011 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,400 Speaker 1: Calais Campbell. They were on a little group together. Everyone 1012 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,319 Speaker 1: was like, you gotta go talk to him. So when 1013 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,359 Speaker 1: Shuck shook his hand, suck the microphone in. We talked 1014 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,440 Speaker 1: a lot about Josh Allen and Calais Cambel, but we 1015 00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,240 Speaker 1: also had to sneak in a question about our co host, 1016 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:57,160 Speaker 1: Tony Boselli. Well, Tony Tony is a stud. Uh, he 1017 00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,359 Speaker 1: was a stud. I think I played against him all 1018 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,680 Speaker 1: three times and and uh he gave me all that 1019 00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:09,399 Speaker 1: I can handle. That that that's for sure. So I'm 1020 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm pulling for Tony. I understand the dynamics of the 1021 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,719 Speaker 1: voting process and in him having a short career. Uh, 1022 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,680 Speaker 1: and his body of work wasn't necessarily complete. But while 1023 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,359 Speaker 1: he was healthy. Uh, during that era of football, there 1024 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:32,760 Speaker 1: was there was none better the stotables, certainly, Um, Tony, 1025 00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:37,040 Speaker 1: because I don't think that Bruce Smith on the record 1026 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:41,000 Speaker 1: has said anything close to that about you. So it's 1027 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,920 Speaker 1: nicest thing I've ever heard Bruce say about me, whether 1028 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,600 Speaker 1: it's while we were playing against each other and shared 1029 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:51,680 Speaker 1: words or post career. So listen, Bruce Smith, is you know, 1030 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,560 Speaker 1: when you start talking about the best pass rushers in 1031 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,759 Speaker 1: the history of the game, Bruce Smith is, you know, 1032 00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,200 Speaker 1: right there with Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor. Uh, he's all 1033 00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,240 Speaker 1: time sack leader. Um, he did it for a long time. 1034 00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,600 Speaker 1: Multiple Defensive Player of the Year guy. I mean, he's dominant, 1035 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,719 Speaker 1: and he was a great player, and and uh to 1036 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,240 Speaker 1: hear him say I gave him all he could handle. Well, 1037 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,879 Speaker 1: it's a pretty big compliment. He gave me a bunch 1038 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,320 Speaker 1: of you know, it was no easy day at the 1039 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,800 Speaker 1: beach trying to block the guy. Um. He was a 1040 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,240 Speaker 1: great player, uh and played, you know, run, passed, he 1041 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,640 Speaker 1: could do it all. And so to have someone like that, 1042 00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's pretty Uh. I'll be honest, it's it's 1043 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,880 Speaker 1: really cool and it's UM means a lot. I always said, 1044 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,400 Speaker 1: you know, obviously I want to make the Hall of Fame, 1045 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,400 Speaker 1: and it's will be the huge, biggest UM individual on 1046 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,400 Speaker 1: or in sports that I've ever had. Obviously, it's dating 1047 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,160 Speaker 1: the obvious. But to hear when your peers talk about 1048 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,160 Speaker 1: you guys you played against guys who know UM, and 1049 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,360 Speaker 1: just have people like that like Bruce Smith say something 1050 00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,360 Speaker 1: that he just did is uh, pretty amazing, pretty amazing, 1051 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,800 Speaker 1: And he's right, listen, I got hurt beer short. We'll 1052 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,280 Speaker 1: see how the voters uh um kind of process that 1053 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,479 Speaker 1: again for the fourth time as a finalist. But to 1054 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,800 Speaker 1: have a guy like Bruce Smith say that, and you know, 1055 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,440 Speaker 1: Jason Taylor wrote a letter as well that was pretty cool. 1056 00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,880 Speaker 1: And those guys are both all of famers, so that 1057 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,560 Speaker 1: means a lot. I won't lie Tony when I went 1058 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,360 Speaker 1: up there and said, I'm gonna ask you about Tony Bosella. 1059 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:21,960 Speaker 1: He kind of just gave me like a look like 1060 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,080 Speaker 1: he kind of just smirked and looked at me. I 1061 00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,919 Speaker 1: was like, I guess that means, yes, we're going with it. 1062 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,560 Speaker 1: I'm glad as I give you credit because Bruce Is 1063 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,960 Speaker 1: can be an intimidating, intimidating dude, and uh, yeah, I 1064 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,600 Speaker 1: won't lie, and he was thank you. Yeah. I needed it. 1065 00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,040 Speaker 1: I needed some encouragement and get in there. We did. 1066 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,840 Speaker 1: Like that you didn't back down. I love it. Show 1067 00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,640 Speaker 1: that shows some grit. That's why. That's why you're great 1068 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,560 Speaker 1: at what you do. I love it. Thank you, Tony. 1069 00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,360 Speaker 1: I appreciate he was very nice, nice guy. I don't 1070 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:56,200 Speaker 1: know what the hoopla was about. Good we had, you know, 1071 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,760 Speaker 1: we had some pretty big battles and uh, you didn't 1072 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,120 Speaker 1: know appreciate I think the way I blocked him and 1073 00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,160 Speaker 1: maybe I might have taken and past the whistle a 1074 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,520 Speaker 1: few times, and I know he didn't appreciate that as well. 1075 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,360 Speaker 1: A time or two or three or four. Great one 1076 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,520 Speaker 1: man he was. I had to go past the whistle. 1077 00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,080 Speaker 1: I just try to get him frustrated because if I 1078 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,360 Speaker 1: just played the normal game, he's gonna embarrass me. So 1079 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,800 Speaker 1: you had to get ide I had to get after him. 1080 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:25,600 Speaker 1: Is that good? Ashton well Donald Pro Bowl covers and 1081 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:31,480 Speaker 1: looking for that on Jaguars dot Com. I'll see over there, 1082 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,480 Speaker 1: Ashton Sultan with a stick around the Doug Brone Show 1083 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,960 Speaker 1: coming up. Tony's back as well. Thank you for watching 1084 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,960 Speaker 1: and listening to Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network.