1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to Tech Stuff, a production from My Heart Radio. 2 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, 3 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: and I love all things tech. And we have a 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: special guest today, a special topic. Yes, i As Zactar. 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: This is your life, except you're the one who's going 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: to have to tell us about it because I don't 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: know enough about your background. My good friend i As 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: has agreed to join the show. Welcome back to Tech Stuff. 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: Thank you, Jonathan, it's good to be back. I was 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: like talking to your listeners because I do find them 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: to be some of the smartest people on the planet. 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: This is true. They consistently tell me how wrong I am. 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: And it's only smart people who can pick up on 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: all the mistakes I make. Uh no, you're You're right. 16 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: They are. They are really smart crew, and I love 17 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: them very much. And i As and I have known 18 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,639 Speaker 1: each other for around a decade now. I think it's 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: been about ten years since we has met. Probably a 20 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: little more than that. Actually, it's something like that. Time 21 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: has no meaning anymore, so it's probably a decade or 22 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: twelve decades. It's hard to tell. That's true. Lasted about 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: seventeen years, I think. But we first met I think 24 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: back at a c E S you were, I believe, 25 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: working with tech TV at the time. Tech V. Tech 26 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: V that's it. That's what I meant at tech TV 27 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: is something I've never joined. I think I joined the 28 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: spiritual successor to it at one point, some people call it, 29 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: but tech V with Randall Bennett, who used to work 30 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: at and Gadgets worked at cen At, started his own 31 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: video network and I jumped on board and we were 32 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: we had a little space, I think, and it was 33 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: in CS in the North Hall, I want to say. 34 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: And then this guy Jonathan Strictly shows up and we 35 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: hit it off and I couldn't get rid of me since. Yeah, 36 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: of course, listeners you probably know I A's Best from 37 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: the hit podcast podcast Without Pretense, a show that he 38 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: and I and Eric Sandan sporadically recorded for sometime. We 39 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: threatened to bring it back, but that kind of I mean, 40 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: let's be honest, Pandemic really did a number on everything. 41 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, there's there's still the threat that that show 42 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: could come back. If you're a fan of family friendly entertainment, 43 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: do not listen to podcasts without pretense. I totally agree. 44 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: It's not for the faint of heart. It's not for 45 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: those who love certain media conglomerates. It's not for people 46 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: who like swear words. If you don't like swear words, 47 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: I would avoid that show unless you want to just 48 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: count how often we swear on the That show itself 49 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: can live on its own. I will not touch upon 50 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: it again. But I as I wanted to talk to 51 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: you because you have had a long career in the 52 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: sort of area that I work into in tech communication, 53 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: although yours has had very different styles than my own. 54 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: So I wanted to start off by talking about how 55 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: did you get into the field of working in like 56 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: tech video production and tech podcasting and that sort of stuff. 57 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: How did that all get started? Well, the story that 58 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: is a long and uninteresting one, so you can jump 59 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: ahead at any time, you guys, if you're listening to this. 60 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: But it turned out that I loved technology since I 61 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: was a little kid, and my dad was a gadget guy, 62 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,119 Speaker 1: and my mom would yell in him like, hey, don't 63 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: spend that, don't find those gadgets because you gotta send 64 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: your kids to college. And so I used to just 65 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: be obsessed with gadgets growing up. And then I was 66 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: in law school at the time, and I just was 67 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: writing a lot of blogs. I was doing a lot 68 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: of writing in general, and I got a job writing 69 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: at the Apple blog, which I don't think was with 70 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: us anymore. It's part of Giga Home. And I started 71 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: writing blogs about Apple stuff, and then I started writing 72 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: my own blogs on tech things that are beyond Apple. 73 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: And there was one point where I reached studying for 74 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: the bar exam for New York State, and I was 75 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: studying about eleven to twelve hours a day, something crazy. Basically, 76 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: if I was awake, I was studying for this exam 77 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: because it was a two day exam at the time. 78 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: New York is the second hardest a state to pass, 79 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: not like Passachusetts or or in Danielson. New York has changed, 80 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: I believe it's now three days. And so I was 81 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: studying like crazy, and I needed a creative outlet. And 82 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: so while I was studying, I took these breaks and 83 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: I would do an audio podcast with my best friend 84 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: Rob called Killing Time, which is on and off still 85 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: for like now ten to fifteen years. I've been doing 86 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: this ridiculous show. It's just an entertainment show, just talking 87 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: about stuff that wasn't it wasn't being covered because back 88 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: then this is the starter podcast. I saw Leo Laporte 89 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: had moved to his own thing on Twitter. I saw 90 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: this show called Hack five. I was watching this guy 91 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: named Darren Kitchen. I'm like, you know, these guys are 92 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: doing podcasts. I think I could do that, and so 93 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: I started recording audio stuff on my own. I figured 94 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: out how to do with an old I believe this 95 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: was an iMac, one of the first Intel ones, and 96 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: I call my friend up, we'd record it and I 97 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: put it out. And this is the very early days 98 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: of podcast asting. So I turned that into a job 99 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: at one point because I was also still finishing law 100 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: school and I just got just past the bar, and 101 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: I was going to go into the field of law, 102 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: which because I'm a first generation American, so my folks 103 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: will be a lawyer, be a doctor, I didn't want 104 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: to be a doctor. So I got the law degree 105 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: and I entered a field. I think it was around 106 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: two thousand and six, two thousand seven, and the entire 107 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: market for lawyers dropped, so all of these people coming 108 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: out of school were competing with high level. People were 109 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: being paid a lot, we were competing for the same jobs, 110 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: so this was an absolute nightmare. So I was looking 111 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: for positions while I was still doing my audio podcast, 112 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,239 Speaker 1: and I started messing with video a little bit more. 113 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: And during this time, I got a job at a 114 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: place called Gadgetel and I ended up being their editor 115 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: in chief. And as editor in chief, I'm like, let's 116 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 1: make videos, and I want to be in them because 117 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: I'm in charge. So I started making videos with the 118 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: people there, and I found other video outlets with Will 119 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: Harris and Justin Gainer over a channel flip, which I 120 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: believe got bought by Condie Nast in the long run. 121 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: So I started doing videos around then, and that's where 122 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: it all really started, because I was going bonkers and 123 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: just losing. I was just losing my patients in general 124 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: because I was studying so much. I just needed a 125 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: creative outlet, and that was audio and video. When you 126 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: were studying law, I want to say that there was 127 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: a point where I had you on an episode where 128 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: we were talking about patent law. Am I remembering that correctly? 129 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: That is correct? Because I did study intellectual property. It 130 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: was a field of law that I am and still 131 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: am interested. I was interested, and I'm still interested in it. 132 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: But due to the fact that so many of the 133 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: cases were so it was like splitting hairs. It was 134 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: making me really really agitated, and I thought, Hey, if 135 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: I was every going to die at a job because 136 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: of a heart attack, this would be the thing. So 137 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: I veered away from intellectual property just because I was 138 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: just getting so amped up about why does this pac 139 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: Man game make sense? That this Pong game isn't infringement? 140 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: And I just I got two worked up. I'm like, 141 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: I can't, I can't do that. So I did do 142 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: a bit of intellectual property class work. Never practiced that, 143 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: but it did show up on an episode with you 144 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: talking about intellectual property, and I believe video games was 145 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: a large chunk of that. Yeah, I should probably have 146 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: you back and we can have a discussion about patent 147 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: trolls in general and the one in particular that was 148 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: threatening the entire podcast industry for a few years, because 149 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: that was back in the yeah, back in the days 150 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: when when tech stuff was part of Discovery Communications and 151 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: there were just these crazy lawsuits getting thrown around, and 152 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: we could kind of dive into how that all worked. 153 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: But that'll I'll save that for a future episode. So 154 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: you you get this editor in chief job and you 155 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: start making, you start making videos. I love this too 156 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: because as someone who's become executive producer in the same 157 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: way where I launched a podcast, because I realized I 158 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: had the authority to do it, so I did it. 159 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: That's how, That's how Large Nerd Drunk Colleider it got started. 160 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: If you guys out there have listened to you of 161 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: those episodes, Um, it was a show that my friend 162 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: Ariel and I were doing on our own, and then 163 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: I had the chance to bring it over here, and 164 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: I kept on there was there was talk of bringing 165 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: it on for like two years, and it just never happened. 166 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: Then I realized, wait a minute, I'm an executive producer. 167 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: I can make this happen myself. So I I identify 168 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: strongly there's a couple of different parallels in our career paths. 169 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: So what happens next? Where do you go from there? 170 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: After you've got this editor in chief gig. So I 171 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: do that for a couple of years, and that's not 172 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: that's completely wrong, that's wrong entirely. I did that for 173 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: a couple of months that's right. And then Randall Bennett 174 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: offered me this job because he was having me on 175 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: as a guest a lot of some of my videos 176 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: on Gadgetel, and he was like, Hey, I think I 177 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: want to interview for this this thing I'm doing, Like 178 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: I said, okay, and he did a startup called tech 179 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: V tech v I, and I eventually was offered a 180 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 1: position as managing editor of the startup. Now would be 181 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: a step down, but it was. It was purely video, 182 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: and I thought, well, screw it, let's do it. Let's 183 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: go ahead end see if I could manage to do 184 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: this now. At the time, I don't have I have 185 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: a son now, but I didn't have a kid then, 186 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: so there was I was much more. I wasn't as 187 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: risk risk of versus I am now and switching jobs. 188 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: So I just completely left my job at Gadgetel, wound 189 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: up a tech V started doing video with Randall and 190 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: we're talking about doing daily videos. And this is somewhere 191 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: in like two thousand eight or so, so internet speeds, 192 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: I'm not exactly great. Everything was in one man operation 193 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: at the time. So in my my part, my house, 194 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: that is, I had my prompter set up I built 195 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: my own prompters because everything was much cheaper to build 196 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: back then versus now. Because as YouTube has grown and 197 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: everybody can make content, the amount of equipment that's available 198 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: now for cheap is just mind blowing. But when I 199 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: was doing this in two thousand eight, I had to 200 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: build something. A thirty five dollar prompter was made out 201 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: of heavy wood and the most expensive parts were the brackets. 202 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: So I set up my own prompter in my in 203 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: my office home office. I would write up my scripts, 204 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: I read camera, I've send it, I do the editing myself. 205 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: If I could do it live, we did it live 206 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: to not live to take, but live to digital, I guess. 207 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,599 Speaker 1: And then we published it. So we published two or 208 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: three times a day, which was a really unusual pace 209 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: for the time because usually people are setting up and 210 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: then you've got your scriptwriting, you've got your research, you 211 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: got this, that and the other thing. And I was 212 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: pulling out two to three pieces of video content per day. 213 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: So that's got that got me to tech V and 214 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: then Randa wanted to kill the company because it wasn't 215 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: going anywhere. He said, this is not reaching the level 216 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: where I wanted to reach, and so I'm just going 217 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: to close the doors. And so I said, oh, crud, no, 218 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: what do I do? So at that point I was like, Okay, 219 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: well do I want to give law another shot? I'm like, yeah, 220 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: I'll give a law another shot. Because the market it 221 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: changed a bit, and I managed to get an interview 222 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: in Plantation, Florida with the I R S of all things, 223 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: because I studied tax law. That's true. I passed the 224 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: bar in New York, and I have a master's in 225 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: tax law, which is completely relevant to what I do now, 226 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: completely relevant. So I I go to this interview and 227 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: I bombed the interview flat out. To this day, I 228 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: remember the question I should have answered truthfully. They asked 229 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: me this question of what do you do when you 230 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: go too far in the wrong direction? And I wanted 231 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: I should have just told them the truth of like, 232 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: I don't ever do that. When I start feeling like 233 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: something's off, I immediately talked to somebody else and I go, hey, 234 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: does this seem right? This is the way it's supposed 235 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: to be gone? Because this isn't seem right. I'm from 236 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: New York and we have signs for delayed green lights. 237 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if you have that elsewhere in this 238 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: country or anywhere else, because we're so impatient to New 239 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: York that if the light hasn't changed immediately after the 240 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: other one has, something's broken, people start going. So we 241 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: need to sign delayed green light. So when I in 242 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: my reality run into a thing where I think I'm 243 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: kind of going the wrong way just by a hair, 244 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: I'll talk to somebody, either they're above me or to 245 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: my side. I'm like, hey, does this seem right? If 246 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: I just answered that question truthfully, none of this would 247 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: have happened. So I bombed that interview. I start looking 248 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: for jobs like crazy. I go through six months or 249 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: seven months of unemployment. This was horrible for me, So 250 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out what to do. I 251 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: start doing my own show again. I'm like, Okay. After 252 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: a while, it's bubbled up in me, like you gotta 253 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: do this show called this Old Nerd. It's a video 254 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: podcast I did. And this is before YouTube is huge. 255 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: It's there's a lots of different video streaming sites. There's blip, 256 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: there's YouTube, there's daily Motion, there was vo there was video, 257 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: and there was there's obviously some of those are still around. 258 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: So I started doing this show, and then, of course, 259 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: since I did the show, I ended up getting a 260 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: job at PC Magazine. Now this job was not video, 261 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: this was a featured writer, and I had to spin 262 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: my video to trajectory to explain to them why I 263 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: wanted to do this. A hundred days goes by and 264 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: I quit. So the reason why I quit was I 265 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: got an offer from Twitch in California when I was 266 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: at CS. I was at CS for something. I forget what. 267 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: I forget him it was for gadgetel or it was 268 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: for it was for um tech v or PC mag 269 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: I don't even remember which thing was. At this point, 270 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: I was somewhere is It's kind of ambiguous. I get 271 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: this offer from twit to be on tom Merritt show 272 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: called Tech News Today, and I get the offer, and 273 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: I have to tell this company that I persuaded after 274 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: weeks and weeks and weeks to hire me, to let 275 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: me go, so I equip within a hundred days. The 276 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: editor in chief you know who you are, didn't talk 277 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: to me for two weeks after I quit. I was 278 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: still at the company for seventeen days. He would not 279 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: speak to me, and I was assigned absolute garbage pieces 280 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: like I didn't write these features about the most excellent 281 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: pets in tech or animals and technology. And I'm like, 282 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: because Boo was really big at the time, Like, this 283 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: is obviously not to my skill level, but I'm on 284 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: my way out, so I'm gonna make some fun with this. 285 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: So if you ever look at PC mag and you 286 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: see anything written by me about animals and technology, and 287 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: that's why. So I get this job at Twitch, and 288 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: I have to pick up my life and move. At 289 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: this point, I have a young son, I have a wife, 290 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 1: and we move over to California, to a little town 291 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: called Pedaluma in northern California. And it is a bumpy start. 292 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: I started working with with Tom Merritt, Sara Lane, Jason Howell, 293 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: leoo Port, and a whole bunch of other people, and 294 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: it was a complete, uh mind bender for me because 295 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: I used to watch a lot of these people on 296 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: tech TV, and I used to watch Tom all the 297 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: time on set and I started working with these guys. 298 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: So that goes on for a little bit and someone 299 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: pleasantness happens, which leads me to see net which we 300 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: can get into that at some point. Yeah, So so 301 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: backtracking a little bit, so I would always run into 302 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: you at C E S. That's that's when we would 303 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: spend whenever we saw each other in person. Of the 304 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: time that we have spent time together, it was because 305 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: we were both at C E S UH, and we 306 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: would go grab a meal or something or just hang 307 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: out and like make snarky comments about people in tech 308 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: and each other. UM. A lot of ribbing going on 309 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: at C E S. And I remember distinctly the C 310 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: E S before you got hired onto twit because I 311 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: was sitting down with Tom Merritt. Uh. And Tom is brilliant. 312 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: He's one of the best in the business. Just phenomenal, 313 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: hard worker. I his work ethic is to a point 314 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: where I can't even like when I complain about my 315 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: workload being too heavy, I sit there and think about 316 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: what Tom Merritt does on a normal week, not even 317 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: a heavy week, a normal week, and it just puts 318 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: me to shame. Tom had he was He wasn't seen 319 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: at Left Seen Net, joined This Weekend tech or twit 320 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: and started tech news Today, and I was chatting with 321 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: him and he was talking about he needed to find 322 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: a new co host. He I could tell he was 323 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: feeling out, like who I thought might be a good 324 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: co host. And I said, well, I'll tell you the 325 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: guy I would grab. I mean, he just started a 326 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: new job, but I'd grab I as A's who I'd 327 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: go for if I you had to have a tech 328 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: co host. At the time, I didn't need a tech 329 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: co host because I still had Chris Palette. I do 330 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: not have Chris Pallette anyone. I'm just saying, I as, 331 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: if you need another gig tech stuff, tech stuff could 332 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: always use another co host. But but no. But I 333 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: told Tom, I said, yeah, I would talk. I would 334 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: definitely I would chat with I s because he knows 335 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: his stuff. He's got a very strong perspective, his his 336 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: background in law is very helpful in that regard as well. 337 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: And uh, and he agreed. He was like, you know, 338 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: I was thinking about that, but I was kind of 339 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: trying to see if anyone else was having the same 340 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: sort of thought process. And I think shortly thereafter you 341 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: got approach to move over to twit. So I was 342 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: another time where I wasn't, like, you know, terribly surprised 343 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: at the thing that happened. I was very pleased to 344 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: see it come through. And obviously, uh, you know, moving 345 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: all the way across country. There's always the the just 346 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: the stress of moving, all the culture change that's there 347 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: as well. You have the culture of the the new office, 348 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: which is a very different thing in LEO Reports world. 349 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: And so how how do you remember how long you 350 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: were at TWIT? I was at twit for almost three years. 351 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: It was about two years and likes say eight or 352 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: nine months, but that place was it was something magical 353 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: over there because we got to do some really fun stuff. 354 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: It was very experimental. We were alive all the time, 355 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: So that I thought was really important when it came 356 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: to getting to know people. Because it's one thing when 357 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: you're talking on a podcast and you're explaining how a 358 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: patentrol is doing something or this technology is going to 359 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: change the world or this is complete garbage, but people 360 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: don't get to really know who you are. And in 361 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: these live streams where we would just be shooting the 362 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: breeze or post show pre show stuff, the audience really 363 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: got to know us, and I got to know the audience, 364 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: so like I don't think of the audience anymore like 365 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: they're my friends. I'd still talk to a lot of 366 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: these people today online and I forget that I knew 367 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: them from the chat and that's also why how new 368 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: people have seen it. Like I flat out I was 369 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: in the chat room all the time. That's how Tom 370 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: knew who I was in the first place, because when 371 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: I was editing whatever I was doing, I would have 372 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: seen that videos up live and I would just be 373 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: in the chat room like, oh, that's not right, here's 374 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: what's going on. And that's actually partly what got me 375 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: noticed was that I was giving corrections for the for 376 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: the podcast buzz out Loud as it was going on, 377 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: heavily researched, and if I was wrong, I would own 378 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: up to it. But it didn't happen a lot. And 379 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: he's oddly enough that parallel. Something he did how he 380 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: got his job at tech TV was that he was 381 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: frequently in the forums of tech TV, and with something 382 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: would go wrong, he'd write something about it and he 383 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: got noticed by Leolaport, so he ended up a tech TV. 384 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: So this is very similar, these these two career paths 385 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: of how that happened. So I completely lost track. We're 386 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: talking about other than I used to it for Tom 387 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: and that was really fun. Yeah, No, and I love 388 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: I love. I haven't been on a show with Tom 389 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: in years now, I haven't chat with him in years. 390 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: We kind of kind of lost touch. But anytime I 391 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: got a chance to do that, it was always a 392 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: great joy, mostly because I mean Tom would do so 393 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: much of that work too, write like, he would do 394 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: so much of the initial research that you could go 395 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: ahead and try and do some research on your own, 396 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: but he covered those bases so thoroughly that it was 397 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: more like, well, what do you think about this? Well, 398 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: Tom's drive in the driver's seat. I just have to 399 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: sit in the passengers and like point out stuff occasionally. 400 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: So it's fantastic. Well, so you're at You're over at twit? 401 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: How did the transition from uh without having to get 402 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: into messy details, how did how did the transition away 403 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: from twit? How what happened next? Well, there was there 404 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: was a big pivot point where Tom was going to 405 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: move to l A. The the company was in North 406 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: cal and he was gonna move to SoCal and this 407 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: became what was thought to be untenable, which is kind 408 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: of hilarious if you think about because he's remote and 409 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: remote stuff can't work with hosts. You can't possibly do 410 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: a show remotely with people, and so Tom was not renewed. 411 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: This contract was not renewed, and I was passed over 412 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: for a position that I'm gonna This is like the 413 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: first time I'm saying this. I was passed over for 414 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: a position that I was told I would get. I 415 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: was told to yeah, you'd get this, it should should 416 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: this happen, and completely got blindsided and I'm like, okay, 417 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna go. So I started pursuing seen net now, 418 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: seeing that I had been applying to since probably about 419 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: two thousand two. I mean since it was a thing. 420 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: I was like, I love seeing that it's got the 421 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: coolest tech reviewers. I always wanted to know what they 422 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: think and I want to know what's going on. And 423 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: I applied there. Thankfully, I had a lot of people 424 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: and I've grown a lot of networking at this point, 425 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: and tom Merritt was backing me up, and people at 426 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: s net knew me from the chat room. Lindsay Turnin 427 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: knew who I was because she would be in the 428 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: podcast and she was a VP at this point. Now 429 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: she was the e I C. Of sen So people 430 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: knew who I was when I applied for this job. 431 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: But this job was not in video. This was front 432 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: Door editor, and that what that means is when you 433 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: go to seen net dot com, there is there are 434 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: stories up there, and that's not generated by algorithm. That 435 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: is somebody programming it. You'd programmed the door, That's what 436 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: they would call it. And so I'm like, okay, I 437 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: will go to see it because it will be different, 438 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: and I will say, seen that is incredibly professional. Reading 439 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: to that as you as you would like, and it 440 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: is a fantastic place to work. But within about six 441 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: or seven months, I was kind of losing my mind 442 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: not doing any video, and so I told my boss 443 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: is this. I'm like, hey, I want to start doing 444 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: some videos and they said sure. We what we were 445 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: really wondering what took you so long in the first place, 446 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: because we thought within three months you'd say something. You 447 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: got six months through. I think I lost that bet 448 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: is when my boss said, and I was like, Okay, 449 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: that's great. I'm really glad that you guys were willing 450 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: and you were you knew I was gonna switch over. 451 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: So I was offered the Top five gig, which was 452 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: pretty awesome because Tom used to do it and Donald 453 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: Bell did it, and I used to sit next to 454 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: Donald Bell and we would work on scripts. Essentially, he 455 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: would say, you've got any ideas for top five the yeah, 456 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: give me a second, and I throw some stupid ideas 457 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: at him and he'd make some great video with it. 458 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: So that was fun, and even the show has kind 459 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: of been on a on a hiatus, mostly because of 460 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: my own laziness and the pandemic and everything. But I 461 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: started getting into the video side that way. At seeing that, 462 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: then I kept pushing to be on the video team. 463 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: They split my job in half. They go, okay, so 464 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: you'll be half on edits half on video. And then 465 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: I concocted a plan where I could fully move over 466 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: to video because I trained my successor. I go, hey, 467 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: would you mind doing this job? And she's like, yeah, 468 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: I would love to do this job. I want this job. 469 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: What took you so long? So she starts working on 470 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: this this side. The company goes to me, Hey, you know, 471 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: we don't know if we can take you off the door, 472 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: because you know it's it's a hard job, but we 473 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: don't know if we could train somebody. I go, do 474 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: you know I've not been doing the door for the 475 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: past two weeks and this other person has been doing it. 476 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: How's everything going, And they're like, oh, it's going great. 477 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 1: Go well, why don't you put the job, give Caitlin 478 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: that job, give me the video team, and they put 479 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: me on the video team. So I've been on the 480 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: video team now for five six years. I've been at 481 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: the company for almost eight years. At Sena, we've had 482 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: a lot of different approaches when it comes to video. 483 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: We need shows, we don't need shows. We need faces, 484 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,959 Speaker 1: we don't need faces, we just need voices. We need this, 485 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: and so there's all of this attempt to respond to 486 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: the market at sen A. That is interesting because one 487 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: of the weird things about Seen that is that there 488 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: isn't a lot of other places to go up. Seen 489 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: is like at the top. And I'm not saying this 490 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: because I worked there. I'm not saying this because I'm 491 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: trying to say oh, yeah, well I have no career 492 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: ambitions or anything like that. It's more of that This 493 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: company gets tons and tons of views on every single 494 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: piece of content we do, video or audio or written, 495 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: because it really has been around for over twenty years. 496 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: The biggest issues that has is like, well, that's an 497 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: old person's brand. Seen at is old. It's old it's like, yeah, 498 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: it is old because it's been around for a really 499 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: long time, but it's it's got some great people there. 500 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: So being on the video t him has been just excellent. 501 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 1: I'd say good nentime excellent. But like everybody's jobs, there's 502 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: that five percent real Like do I really have to 503 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: cover best Air Pure Fires today? Yeah? Okay, I'm gonna 504 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: make the best video for this though. I'm telling you what, 505 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have fun with it. My script is gonna 506 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: be full of jokes that doesn't make any sense, but 507 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm telling you I'm gonna do And there is a 508 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: video by the way way I do Best Air Pure 509 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: Fires and it's a hoot. Well, i AS, if you 510 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: ever want to know how Gooseneck trailer hitches work, I 511 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: gotta how stuff works article I can point you toward. 512 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: Uh I am. I am more than familiar with that 513 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: as well. We're gonna take a quick break with our 514 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: conversation with i AS and we'll be right back. So 515 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: can you talk a little bit about like what what 516 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: is your job? Like we were talking before we started 517 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: recording that job. Idols can get kind of fuzzy and 518 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: vague in our field, like there there's a point where 519 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: you can have two people who have on paper the 520 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: same job title, and then when they talk about what 521 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: their job is, you realize, wow, there's not a whole 522 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: lot of common ground there. They can be vastly different 523 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: experiences and job accountabilities and that sort of thing. So 524 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: kind of kind of walk through what it is that 525 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: you do typically, uh, during a week at seen a Well, 526 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: my main thing is to make videos and that sounds 527 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: pretty simple, but it's not. You've got to think of 528 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: topics that will resonate with the audience. And if you're 529 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: pitching something that's gonna go to YouTube, it's got to 530 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: fit within the YouTube channel that's got its own strategy. 531 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: If you're pitching something for sena dot com, that's got 532 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: a different strategy because you can be a little bit 533 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: more wide. YouTube has this. They have a method of 534 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: recommending stuff. The algorithms that you've probably seen videos but 535 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: like the algorithm moved us or whatever. That's a big key. 536 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: So in my in the course of the week, technically 537 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,479 Speaker 1: I'm a senior video producer, which is a weird title 538 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: because I don't produce other people's content. Not yet. This 539 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: is something I've been thinking about for the long term. 540 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: But the title doesn't really match what I do. I'm 541 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: an on air talent. I pitched my own videos. I go, 542 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: this is what I want to do, and here's the 543 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: timeline where I can get it done. If it's a 544 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: news story, I can do that usually within a day. 545 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: I was tasked with a Richard Branson story. I don't 546 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: know when this is gonna air, but at the time 547 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: Richard Branson, at the time recording of this, Richard Branson 548 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: is trying to get into space before Jeff Bezos to 549 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: be the first billionaire in space. And I'm doing I'm 550 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: researching this to make sure I can have a well 551 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: told story of why this is happening. So I do 552 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: like the vast majority of my own research. It's rare 553 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: that I'm handed research on somebody else. I'm not a 554 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: talking head. I am not handed a script from somebody 555 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: who just says here read this. I write my own scripts. 556 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: I at this point, since in the pandemic, I run 557 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: my own camera, I run my own prompter, I run 558 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: the lights. I have everything set for myself and I 559 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: then uploaded to an editor so I get that review 560 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: the videos see if everything matches and then we'll publish it. 561 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: I also write the headlines and the descriptions. Those can 562 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: be tweaked based on search engine optimization, and those things 563 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: can change. But I've have a pretty heavy hand when 564 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: it comes to this because I do not like when 565 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: titles change, which wholly change the meaning of the video, 566 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: or they don't, they don't really mesh with the video. 567 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: So I really keep an eye on that kind of 568 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: stuff because I don't want to mislead the viewers. If 569 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: you're watching one of my videos, my big keys, I 570 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: want you to walk away smarter. I want you to 571 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: have clicked for a reason. I hope you get the 572 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: answer right away. I will say that one of my 573 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: favorite things, which wasn't one of my favorite things at 574 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: the beginning, was reading through YouTube comments, which on a 575 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: good day can be pretty bad, and on a on 576 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: a great day is not so bad. So it's it's 577 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: it's there's really not a great range of things there. 578 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: But I was really reading all of these comments with 579 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: something Tom Merritt told me a long time. It goes like, 580 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: just look look for a kernel of actual so thin 581 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: you can improve on. If there's something there, then work 582 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: with it. If there isn't, then you can just throw 583 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 1: that comment aside. So one of the things that I've 584 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: done differently in my videos is that within the first 585 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: like eight seconds the video, I'll tell you the answer 586 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: to something. If it's like, you know, like what's the 587 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: best what's the best phone of the years? Like, I'll 588 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: tell you the first four seconds, like the iPhone is 589 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: the best phone in the year. I'm gonna explain why, 590 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: Like I don't make you wait. I don't want to 591 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: waste the viewers time. So my actual job is making 592 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: these videos happen, make sure the content fits, the brand, 593 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: fits the channel, helps us continue working with the YouTube 594 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: algorithm where our stuff kind of makes sense. So that's 595 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 1: that's kind of what I do. That's about what I do. 596 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: It's interesting that you bring up the algorithm because that's, uh, 597 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: that's it's just like s e O or search engine optimization, 598 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: and that it shows how beholden content creators are to 599 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: the platforms to which we publish. Right. This is why 600 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: Bernie Burns, who was a co founder of rooster Teeth, 601 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: used to say that there was no substitute for having 602 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: your own platform, because at least then you know the 603 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: rules aren't going to change arbitrarily and force you to 604 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: completely change your strategy in order to remain competitive. Whereas 605 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: when you're publishing on a different platform like YouTube, if 606 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: there's a change in the algorithm, suddenly what was working 607 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: great yesterday isn't trending at all today. It's not even 608 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: not even a blip and uh. And that's something I 609 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: think that is applicable to just about everyone who's listening, 610 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: whoever wants to make any kind of content. I mean, 611 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: if you're trying to make anything where you're putting it 612 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: out in a saturated market, knowing about these algorithms and 613 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: at least kind of having an understanding of how they 614 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: work is absolutely instrumental in getting a foothold in those areas. 615 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: Same thing with podcasts, like all the different podcatching uh 616 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: services out there have their own method for identifying and 617 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: promoting material. Often it will promote whatever is proprietary first, 618 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: So so if it's a if it's Stitcher, then it 619 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: might be Stitcher exclusives get get first priority. But you know, 620 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: knowing that is helpful just because I think it helps 621 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: you set expectations. It also helps you reconcile the fact 622 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: if it takes a while to take off. It may 623 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: not be that you know, you're not doing a good 624 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: enough job or your content isn't interesting. It may literally 625 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: be people just haven't found a way to find you yet. 626 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: So this is a thing that big companies struggle with too, 627 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: seeing that being one of them, I mean, how stuff works. 628 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: When we were part of Discovery, this was a big 629 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: deal to which we were always really focused on search 630 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: engine optimization. We saw a lot of traffic coming in 631 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: from Google searches for a lot of our articles, and 632 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: whenever that algorithm would change, it would drastically change that, 633 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: which then changes revenue models. It just has this cascading 634 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,719 Speaker 1: effect through the entire business. So having that kind of 635 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: approach and knowledge is really important. And having two different 636 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: strategies for something about how it might perform on c 637 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: net versus on YouTube. That's also a big deal. And 638 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: you you touched on this a little bit, but can 639 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: you talk about uh, you know, not that I want 640 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: to go back and think about twenty too much. But 641 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: once the pandemic hit, once the once things started going 642 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: into lockdown, and once people started to try and look 643 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: at how to pivot to maintain operations in this you 644 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: know now pandemic world. How did that unfold for you guys? 645 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: When did when did? Like? Do you remember when the 646 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: Senate Office is essentially shut down? Yeah, it was around March, 647 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: and I believe there was one confirmed case and one 648 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: of the CBS buildings at the time. I believe it 649 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: was maybe at the Broadcast Center ont S, so not 650 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: in our office. And based on that and all the 651 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: news coming in, they said, Oh, we're gonna we're gonna 652 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: try something we're gonna do. If you Friday, you can 653 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: work from home and then we'll let you know if 654 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: you're coming back. We'll probably come back in two weeks, 655 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: which turned into into forever. So they told us then 656 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: that okay, we're gonna work from home. And so I 657 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: was in a panic in general because I am in 658 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: a small New York apartment. I got this apartment because 659 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: I like the outside, which doesn't didn't exist essentially, I 660 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: couldn't use it anymore, and we came to shooting and stuff. 661 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: I had to become very creative as to how to 662 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: shoot in this space. Mm hmm. So I know that 663 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: on ours like we closed down March thirteenth. And the 664 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: reason I know that is because I've been back to 665 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: the office about a dozen times, and there's one desk 666 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: calendar that ominously just stays at March thirteen, twenty perpetually 667 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: Friday of the thirteenth. What a day. Uh So, Yeah, 668 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: Like it's interesting because I don't do video obviously, which 669 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: makes it way easier for me. Right, I'm only doing you. 670 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: I just have to make sure that I'm not getting 671 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: too much bleed over from outside. I imagine that for you. 672 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: Setting this all up in a in a New York space, 673 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: which I think we could charitably call cozy, it was 674 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: a little presented its own challenges. Like you just mentioned 675 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: earlier that you run everything. You run the camera, the prompter, 676 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: all that stuff because you have to. I mean, you 677 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: can't have people come in during a pandemic to to 678 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: help run tech for you. So, uh, can you talk 679 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: a little bit about sort of the setup you use, 680 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: like what what what's the sort of equipment you're using 681 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: in the space that you have in order to be 682 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: able to to do what you do. Yeah, So I 683 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: used to have camp quarters ten ad P camp quarters 684 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: around just for old videos I I used to do. 685 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: So I set up one of those things immediately I 686 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: found some prompters made by glide Gear because as I 687 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: was doing research, As I said before, it's so much 688 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,959 Speaker 1: cheaper now to buy then build, because I was just 689 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: I was floored by seeing how many options as I had. 690 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: It's this company called glide Gear. They're not paying me. 691 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: They didn't give me a free one. I found their 692 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: stuff on Amazon at that was really cool. It seemed 693 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: really simple. I bought a glide Gear teleprompter. You've got 694 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: to provide your own screen. I had experience doing that 695 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: with tech V, so I knew exactly what I needed 696 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: to do. I had Presentation Prompter as my teleprompter software, 697 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: which feeds another monitor, which works pretty well. Because that 698 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: is because it's also a monitor, I can when I 699 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 1: have to do any group video calls for like live streaming, 700 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: I can put that right to camera, so I'm not 701 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: looking down, I'm not looking to this side when it 702 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: comes to that live streaming kind of thing. Generally, I 703 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: don't use it for anything but those two things. So 704 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: I got that set up pretty well. Then it came 705 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: to lights. Now, back in the early days, I was 706 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: using halogens because they were the cheapest, but they were 707 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: super hot and it wouldn't die with those so thankfully, 708 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: because again things have changed. I got to get some 709 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: LED lights and they were really good. Newer makes a 710 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: whole bunch of really good, low cost devices, and so 711 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: I got a bunch of their LED lights. I had 712 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: set up my there's only two point lighting. I'm supposed 713 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: to be doing three point lighting, supposed to be able 714 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: to have a hair light. I couldn't do that, just 715 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 1: because I needed to find a space. And now the 716 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,720 Speaker 1: space to shoot in my apartment we have a loft 717 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: that runs a good portion of the apartment and it's 718 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,240 Speaker 1: about at highest fifty two inches salt, which is shorter 719 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: than I am, which is a little annoying. So I 720 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: had to figure out how to make this space work 721 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: on camera. So I created one set and I had 722 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: this really great backdrop, but the problem is it was 723 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: all bricks, and the bricks are great except my skin 724 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: tone and the bricks were kind of washing out and 725 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,720 Speaker 1: that was kind of a problem. So then I created 726 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 1: a second studio and that had a lot of work. 727 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: A lot of this was I want to say tetricy 728 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: because it was more like Mane of those puzzle games 729 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: where you have it's a little piece of plastic, and 730 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: you have the numbers in them, you've got to arrange 731 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: them properly. But to move one thing, you gotta move 732 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: like three things. That's exactly what it took to make 733 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: any space work in this in this loft, So I 734 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: had to come to terms with whether or not I 735 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: was keeping things. I was throwing things out regularly. Could 736 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: I find a camera that fits? How am I going 737 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: to make this work? Because to my original studio had 738 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: a floor seat. I got a little video game seat 739 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: that could sit on because there was no way I 740 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 1: could fit a chair in here. Any proper chair, I'd 741 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: be bonking my head. So I measured everything out. When 742 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: I built a second set up. The chair I found 743 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: was something for changing brakes. It's eighteen inches tall, that's 744 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: got big wheels you can move around on it is. 745 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,720 Speaker 1: It's super comfortable. No, but at least I look seated 746 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: because I am seated. I knew about backdrops, so I 747 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: got myself a After doing a lot of research, I 748 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: got myself a white brick background, which apparently people thought 749 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: was was real, which is great because it's not. I 750 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: had a steamer, so I steamed the heck out of it. 751 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: There's no there's no wrinkles, and staples are all where 752 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: the fake mortar would be. So I had to do 753 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: a lot of that, and that was in a super 754 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: hot room and I'm on my back and I'm trying 755 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 1: to staple these things. I'm adding everywhere, staples are falling 756 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: when they hit something hard. Not fun. So I did 757 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: all this building up stuff, building it out. Got a 758 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 1: desk that sort of fits. But the thing about the desk, 759 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 1: there's always something weird about this space that when I 760 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: put my arms on it, it looks like my arms 761 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: are huge because they're closer to camera, because the height 762 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 1: is wrong because none of the heights are standard in 763 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: this you can't sit in an eighteen ent high seat 764 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: at a standard desk. So a lot of this has 765 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: been trial and error, trying to figure out what fits 766 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 1: on camera, obviously making things look neat on camera. Everything 767 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: beyond the camera is a mess. Like this is like 768 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: where my luggage is for trips which I don't take anymore. 769 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: This is where my where my books are. This is 770 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 1: where like like with storage for the apartment is winter closed, 771 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: like that's where they live up here, but they have 772 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: to be off camera. So all of that it was 773 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: the long wited answer of how I set this thing up. 774 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 1: If there's the camera, and there's the prompter, and there's 775 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: a desk and remote. Remotes were really important to me 776 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: on this. I had on my Canon camera. It was 777 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: all remote controlled, so I don't have to keep you 778 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: going behind it. And as the ceiling is low here, 779 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: one of the biggest issues is being able to see 780 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: the top of a camera because it camera to be 781 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,760 Speaker 1: really close to the ceiling, so I can't see the buttons. 782 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: I can't do anything. So the remote are really, really, 783 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: really important to me, so I did everything of remote. 784 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,760 Speaker 1: The lights are on a remote, the cameras on the remote, 785 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: the power to all these sections are on remote, so 786 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: I can tell Google to turn them on and off. 787 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,760 Speaker 1: Just because I know when I climbed down that ladder, 788 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 1: if I forgot something, I'm gonna be fierce. I got 789 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,760 Speaker 1: to climb up the ladder again and then squirrel around 790 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: press buttons. I'm like, I'm not doing that. So a 791 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: lot of investment and smart etletts as well. So that 792 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,879 Speaker 1: was a lot of planning, a lot of thinking, and 793 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: I'm down in one studio space and I kind of 794 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: like it. It works pretty well, and there I kind 795 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: of want to tear it all down again because it's 796 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: not working exactly the way I want it, but I 797 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: know that's gonna be for the future. Well, was there 798 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 1: like a long interruption between when you were predy sing 799 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: videos in studio too when you were doing it at 800 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: home or was it pretty quick? Were you able to 801 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: turn it around fairly quickly? I think I had my 802 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: first video back up and running within about a week. 803 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: So I had, I had the prompter and everything. I 804 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: had ordered this stuff when I when I heard the 805 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 1: rumor we were leaving, I ordered stuff like on Wednesday, 806 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 1: And then when Friday showed them like, oh yeah, you're 807 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: gonna spend Friday at home, all my stuff showed up. 808 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's cool. And then when I find 809 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 1: out we're not going back. By Wednesday, I had everything 810 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,359 Speaker 1: running again, and I figured out the shot, figured out 811 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: the composition of everything. I had to buy something from 812 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 1: the hardware store across the street because I couldn't get 813 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: something in time, So I paid a lot of money 814 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 1: for this really cheap led thing, which I know I 815 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: could have got on Amazon for like half the price, 816 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: but I needed it now, so I shot with that 817 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: got the videos out, and that was a huge learning 818 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: curve too of like what videos do people want to see? 819 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 1: How do people are like do they want to be distracted? 820 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: Do they want to be informed about this? Do they 821 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,399 Speaker 1: want to think about fun things you can do at home? 822 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 1: Or do you want to think about, hey, look this 823 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 1: TV should be cool. Let's just talk about tech like 824 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: nothing has changed. That was an adjustment period. That's really interesting. Yeah, 825 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that, but I mean, I 826 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: guess technically I did sort of the same thing, except 827 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: of course I did it in podcasting. So for me, 828 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: the really difficult transition was I had to plug a 829 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 1: USB microphone into this computer and then I already had 830 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: the the mic stand because we used to record podcasts 831 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,839 Speaker 1: about pretense at this very same space where I'm at 832 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: right now. So so it really wasn't that difficult. In 833 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: other words, what I'm saying is my experience was vastly 834 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: easier than yours, except that it does come down to 835 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: like how do you determine what what content to create? Right? 836 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 1: And in my case, um, my listeners are great. They 837 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: typically reach out to me on Twitter and I don't. 838 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: I didn't get a lot of messaging about hey can 839 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,720 Speaker 1: you kind of shy away from stuff that's more COVID related, 840 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 1: or hey can you really focus on COVID? So I 841 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: just kept going as is, which I mean, if you 842 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: look through the history of tech stuff, it's it's pretty 843 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: much the entire Jonathan just does what he wants to do, 844 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: is what that really comes down to over the last 845 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: say five years or so. UM. But I'm so impressed 846 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,479 Speaker 1: that there was essentially one week of adjustment before things 847 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 1: were coming out again, because it's so much more involved 848 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: doing video than doing audio. And you know, I guess 849 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: one benefit is that you and I both typically do 850 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: a lot of solo host work, which means that we're 851 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: not dependent upon anyone else's schedule. If there's a technical issue, 852 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 1: usually it's it's easier to track down what the problem 853 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: is and solve it. Obviously, when you have multiple people, 854 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: especially when you're all doing it remotely, you've increased the 855 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: likelihood of technical problems, and then you have to figure out, well, 856 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,240 Speaker 1: where is the problem originating from, how can we identify 857 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,080 Speaker 1: what it is, and how do we fix it? I 858 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: as and I have a little bit more to talk about, 859 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: but before we get to that, let's take another quick break. 860 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 1: I thought maybe we did this out by talking a 861 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: little bit about some of your favorite little memories related 862 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: to stuff you've done with tech, whether it was with 863 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,359 Speaker 1: snet or twit or whatever it may be. Like, are 864 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,759 Speaker 1: there any moments that kind of stick out either as 865 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: being just like, I'm really proud of how that turned out, 866 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: or this ended up being really funny, or let me 867 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: tell you about the time I completely beefed it on 868 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: camera or whatever. Well, the first thing that comes to 869 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: mind was I was giving a tour. Now, if you 870 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 1: go to a scene at their booth and at CS, 871 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 1: the company has tours for really big, fancy, big wigs. 872 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: And it was my first year giving tours, and there 873 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: was a very very large company that I was leading. 874 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 1: And I won't mention that company, but you're gonna be 875 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: able to figure out. So as I'm walking with them, 876 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: I take this company to l g S booth and 877 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: I told them that this is the coolest thing I saw. Now, 878 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 1: this company is a very very large competitor to l G, 879 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: and they were very mad at me for saying that 880 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: this was the coolest thing now. LG at the time 881 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: showed a rollable oh, let television that fit into a 882 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: box essentially and rolled out and it rolled back in. 883 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 1: And I thought this was fascinating, as did many people 884 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: because this was one of the coolest things people had 885 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 1: seen at CS. Now CS has gotten to the point 886 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 1: where people are like, oh yea, and it's like, no, 887 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 1: this was super cool. So this company got really really 888 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 1: mad at me, started yelling at me, and I had 889 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: a little microphone on on my face and they can 890 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 1: all hear me with the little headsets, and so one 891 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: of the gentleman decides to yell at me into my 892 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: microphone so everybody can hear. And they're all saying that 893 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, you are biased against our company and you 894 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 1: don't give us good reviews, and this, that and the 895 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,279 Speaker 1: other thing, which is the furthest thing from the truth. 896 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,480 Speaker 1: But because this company makes great products, I'll say it 897 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: right now again, good luck finding out who the competitor 898 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: to l G is. A competitor to l G that 899 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,319 Speaker 1: just viciously doesn't like LG. So uh, that part was 900 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:07,319 Speaker 1: amazing because I got yelled at so much and I 901 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: was so disliked. I didn't have to give a tour again, 902 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: and people were asking me, how do you get out 903 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,359 Speaker 1: of the tours. I don't want to give the tours. 904 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is what I did. I didn't need 905 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: to do that. But they got really really mad because 906 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 1: I was telling the truth. I said, this is the 907 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: coolest thing, and you guys don't have this, so like, 908 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: it's not my fault, you don't do this. So that 909 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 1: was one of the biggest things that I remember. I 910 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,799 Speaker 1: will say one of my favorite memories as well was 911 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 1: being at the seen Net stage and sitting at the 912 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,319 Speaker 1: desk and ready to you know, there's prompters going and 913 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: there's people there and I remember back when I think 914 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: it was you, me, Derek, a whole bunch of people 915 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 1: were just kind of sitting there in the audience has 916 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 1: seen it and just watching people like okay, we're just 917 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: sitting there and watching like you we a little wave 918 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,399 Speaker 1: to camera, and there's Fattiamo kid. We're all hanging out. 919 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 1: And then I'm now on the stage. Like I used 920 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 1: to be the guy in the audience. Now I'm the 921 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: guy on the stage and that was really cool because 922 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 1: I do they're doing my makeup and talking to like 923 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 1: stage makeup. So there's like this cake stuff on me, 924 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: which I don't wait are normally, so it's like, Okay, 925 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: this looks really good. I'm doing all this stuff, I'm 926 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: reading the prompter, and this really easy chatting with everybody. 927 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,360 Speaker 1: It was super smooth. It got I Also, there was 928 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 1: a point where I realized it became very normal for 929 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: somebody to be jamming something in my ear. My friend 930 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 1: Brian van Gelder, he's the he was like the stage tech, 931 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: and so he'd be putting an if be in my 932 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 1: ear or taping something to my back. And there's one 933 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 1: point where I'm like, when did this become normal? Because 934 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,720 Speaker 1: this is really weird. So to take a photo a selfie, 935 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: it's me like kind of smiling, and he's this weird out, 936 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: like why are you taking a photo of me jamming 937 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 1: something in your ear? It's because like, yeah, this is 938 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,160 Speaker 1: normal for me. Because as much as I've been doing 939 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 1: this now for almost fifteen years maybe more, it is 940 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,839 Speaker 1: still really cool to have these moments where I get 941 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 1: to talk to people and tell people, hey, this is 942 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,879 Speaker 1: some really cool technology stuff that you should really check out, 943 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: or like, you know, this sounds like a great idea, 944 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,880 Speaker 1: but it's not so being able to like share the 945 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,800 Speaker 1: information that I have access to is really really fun. 946 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: So all of that, anytime I do a video, like 947 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,759 Speaker 1: I said, I try to make sure the audience walks 948 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: away smarter, like I really love doing that stuff. But 949 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,799 Speaker 1: those two moments for C Yes anyway, they stand out 950 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: a lot because again I've really ticked off that company 951 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: and and there's people jam stuff in my ears. Those 952 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 1: are like just two of them, but there's there's there's 953 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,360 Speaker 1: a lot more, but that those are the two that 954 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,719 Speaker 1: popped out of my head the fastest. So so a's 955 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: c e S typically c NETS Booth I believe is 956 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 1: outside of the upper floor of South Hall if I'm mistaken. 957 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,160 Speaker 1: It was until I think two years ago we switched 958 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,879 Speaker 1: to West as our main one because we used to back. 959 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 1: If you guys don't know, there used to be a 960 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,400 Speaker 1: competing show. There was a Consumer Electronic Show and then 961 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: the A v N Show, which is an adult video 962 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 1: show and I'm not making that up. And so you 963 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,359 Speaker 1: had this very strange mix of people that your tech 964 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,839 Speaker 1: nerds and porn stars and they were they will they 965 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: would often have for A v N. They would often 966 00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,880 Speaker 1: have a special where if you had a membership to 967 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,839 Speaker 1: C E S you would get like a complementary one 968 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,719 Speaker 1: for the A v N one. So I know a 969 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: lot of people who would do both. I I never did. 970 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,439 Speaker 1: I was I felt like it was just there would 971 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 1: just be a bald man blushing so hard he would 972 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,719 Speaker 1: pass out. That's all it would be. Well, since they 973 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 1: used to occupy the Sands West, and when they left 974 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,680 Speaker 1: several years ago, c S expanded and West became this 975 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,279 Speaker 1: kind of wild no no, no pun intended wild West. 976 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: It was really all these weird little gadgets, little companies. 977 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,919 Speaker 1: Because the main show was in the Las Vegas Convention Center, 978 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 1: so you had your big name companies that aren't there 979 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 1: any more. Microsoft used to be there either with the 980 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 1: giant Xbox thing. I think High Sense replaced them. There's TCL, 981 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:49,240 Speaker 1: there's Samsung, there's LG there's Panasonic. Everybody's over and Sony. 982 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,960 Speaker 1: They're all in in in Las Vegas Convention Center. But 983 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,360 Speaker 1: West started getting all these weirder and little things that 984 00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: were really fun to cover, gadgets, more oddities, and so 985 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 1: that grew and grew as as the space was open, 986 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 1: and so we moved our stage from South to West. 987 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 1: I believe it was two years ago, and it was 988 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,399 Speaker 1: really really fun. I got to be an anchor over 989 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,319 Speaker 1: there for a while, which was just super fun. That's 990 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 1: that's so cool. Like I haven't I haven't been to 991 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,440 Speaker 1: a C E S since they relocated the stage, because 992 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:27,040 Speaker 1: I do remember going and seeing your image on one 993 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 1: of those enormous screens right like like right there at 994 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: the booth Like that was to me. I was like, wow, 995 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 1: I as this maide a man, his face is like 996 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 1: three stories tall. That's amazing and um and I always 997 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,960 Speaker 1: thought that that was just like and I knew you 998 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 1: were gonna be super busy, so I was like, well, 999 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to I have such a loose schedule 1000 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,880 Speaker 1: whenever I met C E S that I can easily 1001 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,040 Speaker 1: take up someone else's entire time if they let me, 1002 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 1: So I didn't want to do that while you were 1003 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,640 Speaker 1: very busy working. I always felt the same way when 1004 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,319 Speaker 1: you know, we were just hanging out at the scene 1005 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 1: at booth before you worked there, when we were just 1006 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,239 Speaker 1: you know, like you mentioned, oh, I also want to 1007 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,359 Speaker 1: say something else in case my listeners picked up on it. 1008 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 1: I as mentioned our friend fat emo kid that is 1009 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:13,080 Speaker 1: his handle, So yeah, I don't think that he's saying 1010 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,600 Speaker 1: there was a fat Emo Kid sitting next to us. 1011 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 1: It's Eric who goes by fat Emo Kid, whom we 1012 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: love very much, and so I just wanted to just 1013 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 1: wanted to point that out as well. Yeah, No, this 1014 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,640 Speaker 1: was this was great. I mean we've had like some 1015 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,840 Speaker 1: crazy adventures, maybe not crazy, we've had some goofy adventures 1016 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,960 Speaker 1: at c e S. Like there was the year where 1017 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,759 Speaker 1: Eric was I think he even registered the domain CEOs 1018 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,400 Speaker 1: from the back of Jonathan Strickland's head, where he was 1019 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 1: just going to stand behind me with a camera and 1020 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 1: just followed the back of my head or not. I 1021 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,359 Speaker 1: think that was the other thing, because we were taking 1022 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,319 Speaker 1: photos of people. If anybody it was bald, there was that. 1023 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,319 Speaker 1: There was I believe Carpets of c S was one 1024 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,600 Speaker 1: of them. I don't know that was hours of somebody else's. 1025 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,560 Speaker 1: There was the time where we wound up in the 1026 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,240 Speaker 1: We went through the employees entrance of a casino because 1027 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,520 Speaker 1: we just couldn't get across because you know, if you're 1028 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,440 Speaker 1: on this strip, it looks like everything is connected and 1029 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,239 Speaker 1: it's not, so it's super difficult to get across. To 1030 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: be fair, We asked an employee about how to get in, 1031 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,640 Speaker 1: and the employee just pointed at the side door, which 1032 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,879 Speaker 1: was an employee's only entrance, and the first the first 1033 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,719 Speaker 1: stop as we walked in was the security desk. Yet 1034 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,440 Speaker 1: that and that was not super but they were nice. 1035 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,879 Speaker 1: Wasn't what those movies were like, Oh, you're gonna break 1036 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,759 Speaker 1: your your thumbs. It's like go out that way and 1037 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,319 Speaker 1: you can go where you need to go. Oh thanks, 1038 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,480 Speaker 1: that was for the next Yeah, they clearly they knew 1039 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: that we were clueless and idiotic, so they were very 1040 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,839 Speaker 1: kind to us. These were great moments. And that LG 1041 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,000 Speaker 1: television you were mentioning, that was one of those things 1042 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,879 Speaker 1: that I thought was fascinating when I first saw the tech. 1043 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,720 Speaker 1: I mean, we had been promised oh LAD screens for 1044 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 1: a few years at that point, but mostly the old 1045 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,759 Speaker 1: LAD screens that we saw were like six inches in 1046 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,399 Speaker 1: size and like you could see where they would show 1047 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,279 Speaker 1: off how it could bend in everything, but there there 1048 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,239 Speaker 1: was no real practical way of create manufacturing them at 1049 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: a scale that would be that would make any sense, right, 1050 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,839 Speaker 1: Like it would just be astronomically expensive. That LG TV 1051 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,000 Speaker 1: was astronomically expensive, but but at least it was no 1052 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:11,600 Speaker 1: longer in the you know half a million range. I 1053 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,759 Speaker 1: think it was somewhere around a hundred thousand dollars if 1054 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,680 Speaker 1: I recall correctly. But uh, still a little outside my 1055 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 1: own price range for entertainment centers. But well, my question 1056 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,840 Speaker 1: to you, than I asked, is, uh, if you could 1057 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,040 Speaker 1: be on an episode of tech Stuff and cover any 1058 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,279 Speaker 1: one topic, what would it be because I'll invite you back. 1059 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,800 Speaker 1: Oh that's not fair, because I would pick a topic 1060 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,400 Speaker 1: that I don't know anything about. I could do anything 1061 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,640 Speaker 1: that means I knew I knew about it, versus like 1062 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,279 Speaker 1: what could I actually be prepared for? Oh, man, I 1063 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,040 Speaker 1: think I don't want to see five because I think 1064 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,000 Speaker 1: you're right, You've done probably a thousand of those things. 1065 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,319 Speaker 1: So I'm also the host of The Restless One, say, 1066 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,359 Speaker 1: a show branded by T Mobile about five G technologies. 1067 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,000 Speaker 1: But if you want to talk about five G, I 1068 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,240 Speaker 1: can chat about it. It's more that there's so much 1069 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,960 Speaker 1: there's so many nuances to it that even to this 1070 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,080 Speaker 1: to this day, it's still kind of a mess, such 1071 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 1: that like does your phone do five G? Does it 1072 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,640 Speaker 1: have that can handle sub six in this and millimentary wave? 1073 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,560 Speaker 1: It's like what does that mean? Because nobody thinks about 1074 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,360 Speaker 1: that when they think about four G, Like my phone 1075 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,560 Speaker 1: does this because it has fifteen radios, you don't think 1076 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,960 Speaker 1: about it. So five g's got the same thing. But 1077 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,200 Speaker 1: it's not something that's really talked about in the ads 1078 00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,080 Speaker 1: for these companies because honestly, it can be. It can 1079 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,440 Speaker 1: just glazier eyes over because it's like it's not that interesting, 1080 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,960 Speaker 1: but it's super important. So five G in general to me, 1081 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,000 Speaker 1: has been really interesting, even maybe even home five G. 1082 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,560 Speaker 1: Like I've been testing a T mobile. They're not paying 1083 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,800 Speaker 1: me for this T Mobile gateway because my wired speeds 1084 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,080 Speaker 1: in my New York City apartment they're not very fast, 1085 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:59,920 Speaker 1: and I don't have options. And with the advance of 1086 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,440 Speaker 1: five G speeds in theory, I should be able to 1087 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,759 Speaker 1: get faster speeds and more competition. That's why I love 1088 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,279 Speaker 1: five G in general, Like any company can be a 1089 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,200 Speaker 1: five G provider while they're whether they're reselling somebody else's 1090 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,200 Speaker 1: bandwidth or not. But there's more competition and I'm not 1091 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,799 Speaker 1: locked to a certain provider. So five G is the 1092 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,920 Speaker 1: first thing I'm thinking of, and then I'd have to 1093 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,799 Speaker 1: think about the second one, because maybe how the most 1094 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,879 Speaker 1: boring topic of all H d C p my least 1095 00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:33,040 Speaker 1: favorite thing. That's stupid handshake between I think it's what, um, 1096 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,400 Speaker 1: it's not what is the HD Standford's not just high definition? 1097 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,040 Speaker 1: Is it? Oh? I wouldn't be able to tell you that. 1098 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,399 Speaker 1: I just did a full I just did a full 1099 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,440 Speaker 1: series of tech glossary episodes about acronyms and initialisms, and 1100 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,960 Speaker 1: once I finished that, I erased them from my brain 1101 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,960 Speaker 1: high band with digital content protection. This is what's known 1102 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,200 Speaker 1: as the handshake between one HDM my device to another. 1103 00:53:55,560 --> 00:54:00,439 Speaker 1: And that is really, really, really a no go because 1104 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,000 Speaker 1: it breaks stuff all the time. If you do anything 1105 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,680 Speaker 1: like video game capture or like hook up one a 1106 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,719 Speaker 1: c and my cable to an adapter to another as 1107 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,920 Speaker 1: my cable to make a longer one that could break. 1108 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,359 Speaker 1: I'd love to talk about that, just because it's so 1109 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,320 Speaker 1: so dumb. That's the decent stand for it is. It's dumb. 1110 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,640 Speaker 1: Stop doing this. Well, maybe what I'll do is I'll 1111 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,600 Speaker 1: invite you on for a couple of episodes. We can 1112 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,480 Speaker 1: do one about five G and talk about like the 1113 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,800 Speaker 1: three broad flavors of five G and what does it 1114 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,400 Speaker 1: actually mean? Yes? Uh, And we can talk about you 1115 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,280 Speaker 1: know again, like you you say there's a lot of misunderstanding, 1116 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,359 Speaker 1: largely because the messaging around five G is complicated. Right, 1117 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:44,680 Speaker 1: it's hard to get across in a way that's quickly digestible. 1118 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,600 Speaker 1: What five G is capable of doing. Everyone just thinks of, oh, 1119 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,920 Speaker 1: it's five. It's like spinal tap. It's five. It's one 1120 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,799 Speaker 1: better than four, and it's more complicated than that. Uh. 1121 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,520 Speaker 1: And then I'll get you on for maybe one where 1122 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,600 Speaker 1: we talk about stuff that is supposed to work in 1123 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,800 Speaker 1: tech but sometimes makes things more difficult than it would 1124 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,160 Speaker 1: have been if you hadn't used that technology at all, 1125 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,920 Speaker 1: because there are some options there, right, Like there's some 1126 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:14,080 Speaker 1: things where you can say, here's something that was created 1127 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,960 Speaker 1: to solve a specific problem, and here's how it made 1128 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,480 Speaker 1: that problem worse, perhaps in a totally different way. I 1129 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,120 Speaker 1: think I tweeted something similar about Android being like Ralph 1130 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,160 Speaker 1: Wigham sometimes like I think it's helping. I'm gonna turn 1131 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,759 Speaker 1: low power battery on, lottle little power on. It's like 1132 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:32,840 Speaker 1: you just turned off all my stuff in the background. 1133 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,759 Speaker 1: I'm not getting notifications for this because you think it 1134 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,040 Speaker 1: makes sense to turn off email put that to deep sleep. 1135 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:40,920 Speaker 1: It's like I have to go into the settings and 1136 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:46,120 Speaker 1: then undo your helpful thing. Yeah sometimes it thinks helping, 1137 00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,560 Speaker 1: but no, yeah, yeah, that'd be fun to talk about. 1138 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,080 Speaker 1: I watched your video about the latest build of Android 1139 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,400 Speaker 1: when it was going into beta testing, and you it 1140 00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,840 Speaker 1: was it was the day of and you uploaded your 1141 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,839 Speaker 1: dio and he was like, well, this isn't working yet, 1142 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,439 Speaker 1: like the idea, like the color palette that's based off 1143 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,799 Speaker 1: of your your whatever background image you've chosen, that kind 1144 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,880 Speaker 1: of stuff. I want to let you know. I also 1145 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,160 Speaker 1: installed the beta after I watched your video, and now 1146 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,480 Speaker 1: my phone just randomly freezes and then I have to 1147 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,360 Speaker 1: turn the power button off and it's not supposed to 1148 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,640 Speaker 1: be better. But I also would like to say this 1149 00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,840 Speaker 1: my one of my favorite comments about that video was 1150 00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,160 Speaker 1: dude doesn't know Android because it has a built in 1151 00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:30,160 Speaker 1: screen recorder, And to that, I replied, it doesn't work 1152 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,520 Speaker 1: in the data like I kept trying and it kept crashing. 1153 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,680 Speaker 1: So I did something crazy by downloading a third party 1154 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,920 Speaker 1: one because the first party one was buggy. So if 1155 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,880 Speaker 1: I tried to record with it, try to make a 1156 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,360 Speaker 1: video for people, and it's like, oh, I keep breaking, 1157 00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,440 Speaker 1: So I really needed to use the third party one. 1158 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,959 Speaker 1: So I know I Android a bit, but I also 1159 00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,040 Speaker 1: know and stuff doesn't work. Yeah, so that's that's when 1160 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,080 Speaker 1: I'll have you on. We'll talk about how tech doesn't 1161 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,680 Speaker 1: work occasionally. I as thank you so much for coming 1162 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,080 Speaker 1: on the show and for giving some of your valuable 1163 00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:06,120 Speaker 1: time over to the beloved text stuff listeners. I'm sure 1164 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:10,600 Speaker 1: they appreciate it. Where should they go to see your work? 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If you're interested 1172 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,040 Speaker 1: in barbecue sauce, I might be talking about it there. 1173 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,520 Speaker 1: But also go to YouTube dot com slash s net 1174 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,320 Speaker 1: because we're doing some of the best stuff we've ever 1175 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,560 Speaker 1: done and it's showing up there. We're doing some long 1176 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,479 Speaker 1: form stuff, we're doing some experimental content. I'm really proud 1177 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,280 Speaker 1: of our team and really proud of the stuff we're 1178 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,440 Speaker 1: putting out there. 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