1 00:00:06,026 --> 00:00:09,506 Speaker 1: NFL Explained is a production of the NFL in partnership 2 00:00:09,706 --> 00:00:17,946 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. I feel like it's been a minute since 3 00:00:17,946 --> 00:00:20,786 Speaker 1: we've been in the studio. Three weeks. Basically, that's a 4 00:00:20,826 --> 00:00:24,666 Speaker 1: long time. What's a long time in life, I've been 5 00:00:24,746 --> 00:00:26,586 Speaker 1: in the studio with you. We got a brand new 6 00:00:26,706 --> 00:00:30,506 Speaker 1: edition of NFL Explained. I don't typically start with apologies. 7 00:00:30,506 --> 00:00:34,066 Speaker 1: In fact, I'm one of those dudes. I'm gonna I'm 8 00:00:34,066 --> 00:00:37,026 Speaker 1: going to apologize because throughout the course of season two 9 00:00:37,026 --> 00:00:39,426 Speaker 1: of NFL explained, how many times if I usually get 10 00:00:39,426 --> 00:00:41,346 Speaker 1: a kick out of it. I love doing it so much, 11 00:00:41,626 --> 00:00:44,626 Speaker 1: I say, hey, send me the dms. Don't go into 12 00:00:44,746 --> 00:00:47,546 Speaker 1: m Rob's dms. We're gonna get your questions. It has 13 00:00:47,586 --> 00:00:50,866 Speaker 1: been so crazy in terms of East West Shrine Bowl, 14 00:00:50,906 --> 00:00:54,706 Speaker 1: which I had. You got Pro Bowl, you got Super Bowl, 15 00:00:55,026 --> 00:00:57,426 Speaker 1: you got get ready for the Combine, which, by the way, 16 00:00:57,466 --> 00:00:59,386 Speaker 1: our episode today is about the Combine. You got all 17 00:00:59,386 --> 00:01:02,066 Speaker 1: these things going on. I looked, this is when you 18 00:01:02,106 --> 00:01:04,546 Speaker 1: know it's bad. I looked at the dms the other day. Okay, 19 00:01:04,626 --> 00:01:07,346 Speaker 1: there was a ton of dms. This is God's honest 20 00:01:08,186 --> 00:01:11,346 Speaker 1: ton of dms with questions praising you, by the way, 21 00:01:11,426 --> 00:01:14,386 Speaker 1: nothing about me shows great and Rob's awesome, and I'm like, 22 00:01:14,466 --> 00:01:19,386 Speaker 1: you're sending me the DM, which is part of it. 23 00:01:19,426 --> 00:01:21,746 Speaker 1: But I will say this, I promise, because I always 24 00:01:21,746 --> 00:01:23,026 Speaker 1: make it a point to say I get in touch 25 00:01:23,026 --> 00:01:25,266 Speaker 1: with everyone. I promise at some point I'll get back 26 00:01:25,306 --> 00:01:27,986 Speaker 1: to you. We're going to continue to roll on the 27 00:01:28,066 --> 00:01:32,986 Speaker 1: NFL Screen podcast. I'm trying that. By the way. Also, congrats. 28 00:01:33,226 --> 00:01:36,946 Speaker 1: How about Kansas City. Yeah, man Chiefs the chiefs Man, 29 00:01:37,066 --> 00:01:40,666 Speaker 1: big time game. That was a great place man, awesome game. 30 00:01:41,066 --> 00:01:44,666 Speaker 1: And yes, the Patrick Mahomes followed my Buffalo Bills fans 31 00:01:44,706 --> 00:01:49,106 Speaker 1: and my Josh Allen. Butsuka comments, Patrick Mahomes is the 32 00:01:49,106 --> 00:01:51,866 Speaker 1: best play and he got me. Oh my goodness, that 33 00:01:51,946 --> 00:01:55,346 Speaker 1: was so awesome. But Hurts, he's up there. He is 34 00:01:55,386 --> 00:01:57,826 Speaker 1: definitely good. There's a reason why he finished second in 35 00:01:57,866 --> 00:02:00,266 Speaker 1: the MVP voting. By the way, since we're talking about 36 00:02:00,266 --> 00:02:03,346 Speaker 1: Mahomes and Jalen Hurts, we did do an episode pretty 37 00:02:03,386 --> 00:02:07,546 Speaker 1: recently on quarterbacks. The Goat's Mahomes's name did pop into 38 00:02:07,586 --> 00:02:10,306 Speaker 1: this conversation, so highly encourage you to go back and 39 00:02:10,346 --> 00:02:12,266 Speaker 1: take a listen to that one. All Right, I already 40 00:02:12,306 --> 00:02:14,506 Speaker 1: sort of stole the thunder. I said, today's episode is 41 00:02:14,666 --> 00:02:16,706 Speaker 1: about the Combine, and if you read the comments, you 42 00:02:16,826 --> 00:02:19,626 Speaker 1: probably already knew that this episode was about the Combine. 43 00:02:19,906 --> 00:02:22,706 Speaker 1: Your experience. I always say this about the NFL Combine. 44 00:02:22,746 --> 00:02:28,066 Speaker 1: It is essentially a an underwear modeling competition, is how 45 00:02:28,226 --> 00:02:31,066 Speaker 1: I describe it. Is that a fair assessment. It's very fair. 46 00:02:31,186 --> 00:02:34,026 Speaker 1: And I'm going to be completely honest with you right now. 47 00:02:34,786 --> 00:02:36,986 Speaker 1: My wife is going to get upset with me because 48 00:02:37,026 --> 00:02:41,866 Speaker 1: we have gotten into arguments about this. We don't have arguments. 49 00:02:42,706 --> 00:02:47,146 Speaker 1: We heated fellowship and it started I think about three 50 00:02:47,226 --> 00:02:49,946 Speaker 1: years ago. My wife was like plastered in front of 51 00:02:49,946 --> 00:02:51,426 Speaker 1: the TV. I didn't know what was going on, and 52 00:02:51,506 --> 00:02:54,866 Speaker 1: she was like, Babe, this new show you guys have 53 00:02:54,986 --> 00:03:00,586 Speaker 1: on NFL Network Combine or whatever. This thing is, Oh 54 00:03:00,626 --> 00:03:04,346 Speaker 1: my goodness, And she did this little dance like this, 55 00:03:04,866 --> 00:03:07,746 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, I got upset a little bit, 56 00:03:07,786 --> 00:03:09,386 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I had to check myself, 57 00:03:09,426 --> 00:03:11,466 Speaker 1: my manhood a little bit because I knew where she 58 00:03:11,546 --> 00:03:15,506 Speaker 1: was getting at some of the top genetic physical specimens 59 00:03:15,626 --> 00:03:18,386 Speaker 1: in the college game, getting ready for the biggest interview 60 00:03:18,386 --> 00:03:20,146 Speaker 1: of their lives and going to the National Football League. 61 00:03:20,146 --> 00:03:21,426 Speaker 1: But yeah, had to throw it out there. My wife's 62 00:03:21,426 --> 00:03:23,306 Speaker 1: gonna get a quick little laugh at that, and she'll 63 00:03:23,306 --> 00:03:25,226 Speaker 1: probably remind me of that when I get back home 64 00:03:25,266 --> 00:03:27,146 Speaker 1: after she listens to this episode. So here's the true 65 00:03:27,226 --> 00:03:29,746 Speaker 1: in the India, right like you, you made a living 66 00:03:29,786 --> 00:03:33,586 Speaker 1: playing professional football as an athlete, you're still in great shape. Here, 67 00:03:33,906 --> 00:03:37,066 Speaker 1: I don't have that starting point. We were out the 68 00:03:37,066 --> 00:03:38,946 Speaker 1: other day and we were watching the NBA All Star 69 00:03:38,946 --> 00:03:41,706 Speaker 1: Break DK Metcalf coming down and I was like, crazy, yo, 70 00:03:42,106 --> 00:03:44,426 Speaker 1: he is as like much of a freak zoids maybe 71 00:03:44,426 --> 00:03:46,746 Speaker 1: there's ever been on the planet. I get the who 72 00:03:46,786 --> 00:03:49,586 Speaker 1: is that? Oh, let me see? Go to Google images 73 00:03:49,746 --> 00:03:51,346 Speaker 1: and it's all like and I'm like, what are we 74 00:03:51,506 --> 00:03:55,506 Speaker 1: doing here? I set the dinner table. This is man, 75 00:03:55,626 --> 00:03:58,266 Speaker 1: but I opened up the door for it. Your your 76 00:03:58,346 --> 00:04:02,906 Speaker 1: combine experience didn't sound too positive. It wasn't Yeah, it 77 00:04:02,946 --> 00:04:05,426 Speaker 1: wasn't that great of an experience. And it had nothing 78 00:04:05,466 --> 00:04:08,906 Speaker 1: really to do with the talent evaluators or the teams. 79 00:04:08,946 --> 00:04:11,106 Speaker 1: To me, it was myself. It was the fact that 80 00:04:11,146 --> 00:04:12,986 Speaker 1: I was listening to my agent at the time and 81 00:04:13,906 --> 00:04:15,986 Speaker 1: I didn't work out. I didn't throw at the combat, 82 00:04:16,026 --> 00:04:18,106 Speaker 1: I didn't run at the combine. I did everything at 83 00:04:18,106 --> 00:04:21,386 Speaker 1: my pro day. Just looking back again, hindsight is always 84 00:04:21,386 --> 00:04:24,946 Speaker 1: twenty twenty looking back, when you see guys like Vince Young, 85 00:04:24,946 --> 00:04:27,186 Speaker 1: Matt Line of guys like that that worked out and threw, 86 00:04:27,706 --> 00:04:29,386 Speaker 1: you wish you would have been on the same field 87 00:04:29,386 --> 00:04:32,346 Speaker 1: with those guys thrown at the same time. This is 88 00:04:32,386 --> 00:04:34,826 Speaker 1: not uncommon, though, So why do you have those regrets 89 00:04:34,866 --> 00:04:37,226 Speaker 1: because I've covered you know, this year, we obviously at 90 00:04:37,226 --> 00:04:39,106 Speaker 1: our combat coverage on NFL Network, We're going to be 91 00:04:39,106 --> 00:04:41,226 Speaker 1: airing it all the dudes running their forties, the position groups, 92 00:04:41,266 --> 00:04:44,226 Speaker 1: the whole thing. I've also covered a ton of pro 93 00:04:44,346 --> 00:04:47,306 Speaker 1: days over the years. It is not foreign for a 94 00:04:47,306 --> 00:04:49,266 Speaker 1: guy to not run this forty at the combine and 95 00:04:49,306 --> 00:04:52,386 Speaker 1: then run on his own college campus. So why so 96 00:04:52,466 --> 00:04:56,066 Speaker 1: much of a regret for you? Well, the regret was, okay, 97 00:04:56,186 --> 00:04:58,786 Speaker 1: we always we gotta put ourselves back what fifteen twenty 98 00:04:58,866 --> 00:05:01,146 Speaker 1: years because the National Football League, just to me, in 99 00:05:01,186 --> 00:05:04,466 Speaker 1: my opinion, wasn't ready for a Jalen Hurtzel, Lamar Jackson 100 00:05:04,546 --> 00:05:07,786 Speaker 1: or Michael Robinson at the time. The scheme hadn't elevated 101 00:05:07,826 --> 00:05:10,106 Speaker 1: to that yet, and so I was forced to kind 102 00:05:10,106 --> 00:05:13,666 Speaker 1: of change my position and look at other positions, and 103 00:05:13,706 --> 00:05:16,306 Speaker 1: so I decided not to throw, and again we had 104 00:05:16,346 --> 00:05:19,066 Speaker 1: other quarterbacks throwing. And people have to understand when you're 105 00:05:19,106 --> 00:05:21,746 Speaker 1: at the combine, it's not just the physical things that 106 00:05:21,826 --> 00:05:24,106 Speaker 1: you're doing. I mean, this is a one of the 107 00:05:24,146 --> 00:05:27,266 Speaker 1: biggest interviews of that these kids will ever go through, 108 00:05:27,706 --> 00:05:30,426 Speaker 1: and it's really to see these guys and see how 109 00:05:30,466 --> 00:05:33,626 Speaker 1: they respond and how they react amongst their contemporaries right 110 00:05:33,986 --> 00:05:35,826 Speaker 1: at the common I remember being there in two thousand 111 00:05:35,826 --> 00:05:39,346 Speaker 1: and six, finally seeing all the guys I saw on ESPN, 112 00:05:39,386 --> 00:05:41,826 Speaker 1: all the college you know, Vinch Youngs, the Matt Liners, 113 00:05:41,866 --> 00:05:44,026 Speaker 1: the Reggie Bushes, all the guys that you you know, 114 00:05:44,106 --> 00:05:46,506 Speaker 1: you become fans of right and you get to see 115 00:05:46,586 --> 00:05:48,386 Speaker 1: him and be around him and operate around him, and 116 00:05:48,746 --> 00:05:51,266 Speaker 1: just being in those rooms and being in those conversations. 117 00:05:51,266 --> 00:05:53,666 Speaker 1: I just look back and wish, man, if I could 118 00:05:53,706 --> 00:05:56,906 Speaker 1: have been, you know, throwing my footballs so that teams 119 00:05:56,906 --> 00:05:58,866 Speaker 1: are looking at it in comparison to Vinch Young or 120 00:05:58,866 --> 00:06:01,186 Speaker 1: in comparison to any of the other quarterbacks at the time, 121 00:06:01,226 --> 00:06:03,666 Speaker 1: maybe I would have got a shot playing quarterback in person. 122 00:06:03,706 --> 00:06:07,866 Speaker 1: Because it's not it's not just film. It's literally bang 123 00:06:07,946 --> 00:06:11,346 Speaker 1: bang bang, like quarterback Goos Quarterbackos. Yeah, it's right there, 124 00:06:11,586 --> 00:06:14,026 Speaker 1: you know. And the talent evaluators they're all in the 125 00:06:14,066 --> 00:06:15,986 Speaker 1: stands all around you, some of them all up on 126 00:06:16,026 --> 00:06:19,186 Speaker 1: the field. And I remember because I did stay for 127 00:06:19,386 --> 00:06:21,386 Speaker 1: a little bit part of the field workouts in the 128 00:06:21,426 --> 00:06:23,866 Speaker 1: in the runs, they still call your name. I knew 129 00:06:23,866 --> 00:06:26,186 Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna run. I told everybody I wasn't gonna run. 130 00:06:26,546 --> 00:06:30,106 Speaker 1: Michael Robinson, quarterback, number whatever, whatever. And you have to 131 00:06:30,306 --> 00:06:34,186 Speaker 1: visually say no, And that does something to you because 132 00:06:34,426 --> 00:06:36,266 Speaker 1: you gotta step up and say no. In the talent 133 00:06:36,266 --> 00:06:38,706 Speaker 1: evataways are looking to send up. But I thought you 134 00:06:38,706 --> 00:06:40,426 Speaker 1: would a beast of the East, Mike rob I thought 135 00:06:40,466 --> 00:06:42,386 Speaker 1: you was the big ten player of the years. This 136 00:06:42,786 --> 00:06:45,146 Speaker 1: is this how y'all get down? And yeah I was. 137 00:06:45,546 --> 00:06:47,226 Speaker 1: I was a little pissed off about that, but I 138 00:06:47,226 --> 00:06:49,346 Speaker 1: had already had it. I had already made the decision 139 00:06:49,386 --> 00:06:51,666 Speaker 1: and had a plan not to run, not to work out, 140 00:06:51,666 --> 00:06:53,426 Speaker 1: and I didn't want to jump out as that. Keep 141 00:06:53,506 --> 00:06:56,026 Speaker 1: in mind, there's gonna be three hundred and nineteen total 142 00:06:56,106 --> 00:06:59,546 Speaker 1: prospects to combine this year. There are only eleven players 143 00:06:59,626 --> 00:07:02,666 Speaker 1: from non FBS schools. As far as the big name schools. 144 00:07:02,666 --> 00:07:05,426 Speaker 1: So you can imagine Alabama, Georgia they're sending the most 145 00:07:05,786 --> 00:07:10,146 Speaker 1: team and twelve players respectively, Florida, Michigan, LSU, TCU. Here 146 00:07:10,146 --> 00:07:15,706 Speaker 1: we Gons they're sending nine em Is it about the tape? 147 00:07:15,906 --> 00:07:18,706 Speaker 1: Is it more about what they do at the combine? 148 00:07:18,786 --> 00:07:20,586 Speaker 1: Some of the guys might not even be working out, 149 00:07:20,586 --> 00:07:23,146 Speaker 1: Like how do you separate yourself if you're in this 150 00:07:23,226 --> 00:07:28,386 Speaker 1: year's class. Well, obviously game tape is gonna be everything, Right, 151 00:07:28,466 --> 00:07:31,586 Speaker 1: what did you do when the lights were on? You know, 152 00:07:31,746 --> 00:07:34,746 Speaker 1: you had to play a game, your university, your team, 153 00:07:34,786 --> 00:07:37,546 Speaker 1: everybody's rooting for you, everybody's depending on you to do 154 00:07:37,626 --> 00:07:40,146 Speaker 1: your job. How did you respond and how did you 155 00:07:40,186 --> 00:07:42,946 Speaker 1: play in those situations? I think that's vitally important, and 156 00:07:42,986 --> 00:07:45,346 Speaker 1: that's the most important when you go to the combine 157 00:07:45,586 --> 00:07:49,426 Speaker 1: to I think talent evaluators are just saying, Okay, let 158 00:07:49,426 --> 00:07:51,706 Speaker 1: me confirm what I saw on tape. Let me I 159 00:07:51,746 --> 00:07:53,626 Speaker 1: saw this on tape. I saw this kid had great 160 00:07:53,626 --> 00:07:57,066 Speaker 1: movement ability, or I saw that he had great football IQ. Okay, 161 00:07:57,266 --> 00:08:00,066 Speaker 1: let me see in these standard drills, because these are 162 00:08:00,066 --> 00:08:03,466 Speaker 1: all standard type drills, just a baseline, so that talent 163 00:08:03,506 --> 00:08:06,106 Speaker 1: and valuators can have a baseline, a value you wait 164 00:08:06,186 --> 00:08:08,946 Speaker 1: everybody off of. I think they're just coming to the 165 00:08:08,986 --> 00:08:11,746 Speaker 1: combine to confirm and obviously get to know the prospects. 166 00:08:12,066 --> 00:08:15,586 Speaker 1: And people don't realize, especially I work with some of 167 00:08:15,626 --> 00:08:17,946 Speaker 1: these guys coming up at the end of the day. 168 00:08:18,266 --> 00:08:20,666 Speaker 1: You can make a lot of hay off the field 169 00:08:20,786 --> 00:08:22,746 Speaker 1: with these talented value with us. How you speak, how 170 00:08:22,826 --> 00:08:25,186 Speaker 1: professionally you are with them, looking guys in their eyes, 171 00:08:25,426 --> 00:08:28,986 Speaker 1: and being truthful, being truthful. I remember I had gotten 172 00:08:28,986 --> 00:08:30,906 Speaker 1: to a fight in high school or whatever. I had 173 00:08:30,946 --> 00:08:32,906 Speaker 1: no idea they we're gonna bring it up. But I 174 00:08:32,946 --> 00:08:35,826 Speaker 1: remember Bill Parcels at the time brought it up. Hey man, 175 00:08:35,866 --> 00:08:38,906 Speaker 1: you were in this little you know, scadattle when you 176 00:08:38,906 --> 00:08:41,306 Speaker 1: were in high school. And I'm like what. And this 177 00:08:41,386 --> 00:08:44,346 Speaker 1: was just after he asked me what my favorite offensive 178 00:08:44,346 --> 00:08:46,106 Speaker 1: play was and I told him I liked the curls 179 00:08:46,106 --> 00:08:48,266 Speaker 1: on the outside of the streets going down whatever. And 180 00:08:48,346 --> 00:08:50,546 Speaker 1: it just I don't know what kind of threw me 181 00:08:50,586 --> 00:08:54,346 Speaker 1: for a loop. But don't lie. They know pretty much everything. Okay, 182 00:08:54,386 --> 00:08:57,866 Speaker 1: So what about the difference between how a guy executes 183 00:08:57,866 --> 00:09:01,146 Speaker 1: at the combine where it's a little bit of I 184 00:09:01,186 --> 00:09:03,666 Speaker 1: don't want to say an unsettled environment, but it's new 185 00:09:03,746 --> 00:09:06,666 Speaker 1: for these guys. When you're on your home campus for 186 00:09:06,746 --> 00:09:10,066 Speaker 1: your pro days, it's I mean, it's comfort. You wake 187 00:09:10,146 --> 00:09:11,866 Speaker 1: up in your bed, you're doing all the things that 188 00:09:11,906 --> 00:09:13,666 Speaker 1: you're used to. You know, you're saying a lot of 189 00:09:13,706 --> 00:09:17,106 Speaker 1: the cafeteria person that you usually have pregame meals. You're 190 00:09:17,186 --> 00:09:19,946 Speaker 1: probably working with the wide receivers. It's your dudes that 191 00:09:19,946 --> 00:09:21,866 Speaker 1: are out there. Like I would imagine, it is a 192 00:09:21,986 --> 00:09:25,346 Speaker 1: much more beneficial experience to do well at the pro 193 00:09:25,466 --> 00:09:28,826 Speaker 1: day compared to the combine. It is because, I mean, 194 00:09:28,866 --> 00:09:31,986 Speaker 1: that's your natural environment. You controlled all the controllables and 195 00:09:32,066 --> 00:09:35,426 Speaker 1: all of those things. But when you're in Indy, when 196 00:09:35,786 --> 00:09:40,506 Speaker 1: again that environment, they're not a talent Evaluators aren't expecting 197 00:09:40,546 --> 00:09:42,906 Speaker 1: these athletes to be perfect. Sure, they just want to 198 00:09:42,906 --> 00:09:44,906 Speaker 1: see you compete. They just want to see you step 199 00:09:45,026 --> 00:09:47,586 Speaker 1: up to the challenge and go out there and go play. 200 00:09:47,626 --> 00:09:50,706 Speaker 1: When you go to pro days, now it's on your terms, right, 201 00:09:50,746 --> 00:09:52,146 Speaker 1: you can go out there and do the things and 202 00:09:52,186 --> 00:09:54,706 Speaker 1: set up things just the way you want to. I remember, 203 00:09:55,266 --> 00:09:57,266 Speaker 1: if you remember just a few years ago to Johnny 204 00:09:57,266 --> 00:10:00,546 Speaker 1: Menzel Pro Day, how everybody was hooping and hollering about 205 00:10:00,586 --> 00:10:02,346 Speaker 1: all he had the music, he had to show it, 206 00:10:02,426 --> 00:10:05,706 Speaker 1: so on he had to pass. He controlled the control 207 00:10:05,746 --> 00:10:08,786 Speaker 1: bibles and elevated himself and he was taken in the 208 00:10:08,826 --> 00:10:12,106 Speaker 1: first round. So the pro day is important, But I 209 00:10:12,426 --> 00:10:15,786 Speaker 1: would say that, especially for people in my situation, that 210 00:10:16,306 --> 00:10:19,626 Speaker 1: wasn't a surefire top ten type of a pick. You 211 00:10:19,706 --> 00:10:22,066 Speaker 1: got to go to the combine and make some noise. Okay. 212 00:10:22,146 --> 00:10:25,266 Speaker 1: I was in Vegas a couple of weeks back for 213 00:10:25,346 --> 00:10:27,626 Speaker 1: the East West Shrine Bowl, talk to a bunch of 214 00:10:27,626 --> 00:10:30,306 Speaker 1: different scouts and this is it was something that I 215 00:10:30,346 --> 00:10:33,586 Speaker 1: had already known, but it was reiterated again a couple 216 00:10:33,586 --> 00:10:36,146 Speaker 1: of weeks back. And that's this idea of getting to 217 00:10:36,186 --> 00:10:37,826 Speaker 1: know the player. I mentioned some of the questions that 218 00:10:37,866 --> 00:10:39,626 Speaker 1: are going to be asked. What I think is fascinating 219 00:10:39,706 --> 00:10:42,706 Speaker 1: is these guys go to Indie. You decide to go out, Well, 220 00:10:42,706 --> 00:10:45,306 Speaker 1: guess what, like you, M Rob like I might work 221 00:10:45,346 --> 00:10:47,666 Speaker 1: for the Giants, right, like you might kind of know 222 00:10:47,866 --> 00:10:50,146 Speaker 1: who I am. Maybe you don't. But then m Rob 223 00:10:50,226 --> 00:10:52,146 Speaker 1: deceives me and goes, hey, that dude might work for 224 00:10:52,186 --> 00:10:54,546 Speaker 1: the Giants. I shouldn't be here. I go to the 225 00:10:54,546 --> 00:10:57,146 Speaker 1: next place. Well, guess what my boy who works for 226 00:10:57,506 --> 00:11:00,586 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say the Jets, but let's just call he's 227 00:11:00,626 --> 00:11:02,986 Speaker 1: at that other spot. I get the text message, you'll 228 00:11:03,106 --> 00:11:05,626 Speaker 1: m Rob's over here, maybe doing some stuff. I am 229 00:11:05,826 --> 00:11:10,906 Speaker 1: fascinated by the personality aspect of also understanding now there 230 00:11:10,946 --> 00:11:13,066 Speaker 1: was a high draft pick top ten guy from last year. 231 00:11:13,066 --> 00:11:17,186 Speaker 1: I heard the same story twice now from two different people. Hey, 232 00:11:17,226 --> 00:11:20,466 Speaker 1: this dude was in Indie getting after it at one place. 233 00:11:20,746 --> 00:11:23,506 Speaker 1: We told him like, might not be the best. Look, 234 00:11:23,546 --> 00:11:26,426 Speaker 1: went to another spot. Their boys sent to text passions 235 00:11:26,466 --> 00:11:29,106 Speaker 1: said hey, I saw this guy maybe getting it after 236 00:11:29,306 --> 00:11:31,426 Speaker 1: a little bit too hard. I tell young people all 237 00:11:31,466 --> 00:11:33,346 Speaker 1: the time that's going through this process because you know, 238 00:11:33,746 --> 00:11:35,866 Speaker 1: a lot of former athletes work with guys. You know, 239 00:11:36,106 --> 00:11:38,226 Speaker 1: whether our agent brings you in to talk to the 240 00:11:38,266 --> 00:11:41,466 Speaker 1: group or whatever. And I just tell guys, look, man, 241 00:11:42,146 --> 00:11:45,026 Speaker 1: this has been one of the longest interview processes of 242 00:11:45,106 --> 00:11:47,786 Speaker 1: your life. Don't mess it up. You know almost at 243 00:11:47,786 --> 00:11:50,946 Speaker 1: the bag, man, don't mess it up. Like, why would 244 00:11:50,946 --> 00:11:55,506 Speaker 1: you go to Indie and go out that Yams? That 245 00:11:55,666 --> 00:12:00,866 Speaker 1: wasn't even in my thought process, Like I wasn't even 246 00:12:00,906 --> 00:12:03,186 Speaker 1: thinking about going out like that. Wasn't even a thing 247 00:12:03,306 --> 00:12:06,026 Speaker 1: that was even possible. Let me tell you, I was 248 00:12:06,106 --> 00:12:08,946 Speaker 1: upset because they told me I had a drug test 249 00:12:08,946 --> 00:12:11,706 Speaker 1: at five in the morning one day, and I got 250 00:12:11,786 --> 00:12:16,626 Speaker 1: up at four thirty in the morning unconsciously and use 251 00:12:16,746 --> 00:12:20,586 Speaker 1: the bathroom, And so I had to drink so much 252 00:12:20,626 --> 00:12:23,626 Speaker 1: water or whatever in the morning to go take the 253 00:12:23,706 --> 00:12:26,946 Speaker 1: drug test right before I had to do my official 254 00:12:26,986 --> 00:12:31,426 Speaker 1: way in, so my weight was inflated and it just 255 00:12:31,466 --> 00:12:33,386 Speaker 1: totally pissed me off and messed up my day. But 256 00:12:33,426 --> 00:12:36,146 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, But the point I'm 257 00:12:36,186 --> 00:12:38,466 Speaker 1: trying to make you go there for a reason. You're 258 00:12:38,506 --> 00:12:40,346 Speaker 1: going there for a business trip. You don't go there 259 00:12:40,386 --> 00:12:42,186 Speaker 1: to go out. I can't believe that guys are doing that. 260 00:12:43,346 --> 00:12:45,946 Speaker 1: Just anyone who's listening to this podcast, I just want 261 00:12:45,986 --> 00:12:47,586 Speaker 1: you to just take a moment and listen to what 262 00:12:47,706 --> 00:12:51,546 Speaker 1: m Rob just said. Using the bathroom at four thirty 263 00:12:51,626 --> 00:12:55,066 Speaker 1: in the morning messed up something in terms of how 264 00:12:55,066 --> 00:12:58,986 Speaker 1: you were evaluate. Yeah, I believe so, because again I 265 00:12:59,026 --> 00:13:01,666 Speaker 1: wanted to be a certain way. Yeah, I had lost 266 00:13:01,666 --> 00:13:03,106 Speaker 1: a certain amount of weight I had, you know, I 267 00:13:03,146 --> 00:13:06,066 Speaker 1: was a certain shape and frame and broad drunks much 268 00:13:06,066 --> 00:13:09,146 Speaker 1: water before I had to win because I had to. 269 00:13:09,946 --> 00:13:12,106 Speaker 1: They would not allow you to go through with the 270 00:13:12,186 --> 00:13:16,226 Speaker 1: rest of your schedule until that drug tests happened. So literally, 271 00:13:16,306 --> 00:13:18,066 Speaker 1: I'm sitting up in there. There's a couple of other 272 00:13:18,066 --> 00:13:19,826 Speaker 1: guys I can't remember the name after. I'm just sitting 273 00:13:19,866 --> 00:13:21,946 Speaker 1: up in there, like, dude, you woke up and yeah, man, 274 00:13:21,986 --> 00:13:23,986 Speaker 1: I forgot all of us we got I mean, it's 275 00:13:23,986 --> 00:13:25,866 Speaker 1: just something that happened. And then the schedule. Then you 276 00:13:25,946 --> 00:13:29,626 Speaker 1: end up going being late behind everybody to explain to everyone. 277 00:13:29,906 --> 00:13:32,386 Speaker 1: I pad at four thirty, Yeah I messed up. And 278 00:13:32,386 --> 00:13:34,386 Speaker 1: they're sitting and and and in my head, I'm thinking, 279 00:13:34,386 --> 00:13:36,706 Speaker 1: because it's all interview for me, I'm thinking, are they 280 00:13:36,786 --> 00:13:39,906 Speaker 1: gonna think that I'm that dumb too? Oh? Like, come on, 281 00:13:40,106 --> 00:13:42,106 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm all the layers around it. It's 282 00:13:42,146 --> 00:13:44,106 Speaker 1: all the layers. That's why I said, like, it's kind 283 00:13:44,106 --> 00:13:47,706 Speaker 1: of fascinating you hear about this small, little innocuous moment 284 00:13:47,946 --> 00:13:49,826 Speaker 1: that you don't even think about, and then how it 285 00:13:49,946 --> 00:13:59,666 Speaker 1: kind of dramatically alters things moving forward. All right, Welcome 286 00:13:59,666 --> 00:14:02,466 Speaker 1: back to the NFL Explained podcasts. Mike Yam and Rob 287 00:14:02,586 --> 00:14:05,226 Speaker 1: with you and Rob mentioned some of these questions we've 288 00:14:05,306 --> 00:14:08,506 Speaker 1: heard the crazy ones that are out there. Brandon Vinnie 289 00:14:08,546 --> 00:14:10,146 Speaker 1: had sent you know some of the list care I 290 00:14:10,186 --> 00:14:11,866 Speaker 1: almost don't. I hadn't heard this one. I'm gonna go 291 00:14:11,906 --> 00:14:14,426 Speaker 1: with it anyway, just because I wasn't aware of this one. 292 00:14:14,786 --> 00:14:16,906 Speaker 1: How many ways could you use a paper clip? That 293 00:14:16,986 --> 00:14:19,306 Speaker 1: allegedly was an actual question where you asked that that 294 00:14:19,426 --> 00:14:22,226 Speaker 1: was a real question. That's what did you use a 295 00:14:22,346 --> 00:14:24,986 Speaker 1: paper clip? Maybe that must be one of those am 296 00:14:25,026 --> 00:14:28,226 Speaker 1: I t I Q questions? Right? Trying to normal function 297 00:14:28,506 --> 00:14:32,186 Speaker 1: to like keep papers together? Yeah, unpick a lock, not 298 00:14:32,306 --> 00:14:34,386 Speaker 1: that I don't know. I've seen it in movies. Trying 299 00:14:34,386 --> 00:14:36,946 Speaker 1: to answer this question right now? And then um, I 300 00:14:37,026 --> 00:14:39,466 Speaker 1: don't know, like borderline dart, I don't know what else 301 00:14:40,266 --> 00:14:45,546 Speaker 1: I am questions? Yeah, I mean it was something that 302 00:14:45,706 --> 00:14:47,546 Speaker 1: was conscious with me when I was getting some of 303 00:14:47,586 --> 00:14:50,866 Speaker 1: these questions about my grandparents and you know, uh, you 304 00:14:50,986 --> 00:14:54,146 Speaker 1: know what male is around in the house and things 305 00:14:54,226 --> 00:14:56,746 Speaker 1: like that. So that's something that really stood out to me. 306 00:14:56,866 --> 00:15:00,346 Speaker 1: But I mean the big question that I kept on 307 00:15:00,546 --> 00:15:03,466 Speaker 1: getting was bro Number one, are you married to the 308 00:15:03,586 --> 00:15:06,666 Speaker 1: quarterback position? Because we I saw that you led the 309 00:15:06,706 --> 00:15:09,306 Speaker 1: team and receiving, we saw that you was behind Larry 310 00:15:09,386 --> 00:15:11,426 Speaker 1: Johnson and rushing to football. One year, we saw that 311 00:15:11,546 --> 00:15:14,386 Speaker 1: you would back up throwing. I mean, what position do 312 00:15:14,706 --> 00:15:16,666 Speaker 1: you really want to play? That was a big one 313 00:15:16,866 --> 00:15:20,066 Speaker 1: in number two. How did you answer that? I answered it. 314 00:15:20,306 --> 00:15:22,386 Speaker 1: My goal was to be in the National Football League, 315 00:15:22,426 --> 00:15:24,626 Speaker 1: not be a quarterback in the National Football League, but 316 00:15:24,746 --> 00:15:27,946 Speaker 1: I would I owe it to myself to give myself 317 00:15:28,066 --> 00:15:31,306 Speaker 1: every opportunity to be a quarterback in this league. So 318 00:15:31,426 --> 00:15:35,066 Speaker 1: all I ask, if you draft me, watch me take snaps, 319 00:15:35,186 --> 00:15:37,386 Speaker 1: watch me throw the football, and if you deem I 320 00:15:37,506 --> 00:15:39,546 Speaker 1: need to go to another position, cool, I'll do it. 321 00:15:39,746 --> 00:15:44,506 Speaker 1: That's such a reasonable response. Did you work on that 322 00:15:44,626 --> 00:15:47,546 Speaker 1: with your agent? I mean, I imagine like there's preparation, 323 00:15:47,626 --> 00:15:49,706 Speaker 1: Like you know you're gonna be ask certain questions. When 324 00:15:49,946 --> 00:15:52,386 Speaker 1: I had my interview at NFL Network, I had an 325 00:15:52,386 --> 00:15:54,226 Speaker 1: idea of a few things that we're going to be asked. 326 00:15:54,226 --> 00:15:55,626 Speaker 1: You you kind of have some thoughts in your head. 327 00:15:56,026 --> 00:15:58,306 Speaker 1: You knew that question was coming. I knew the question 328 00:15:58,466 --> 00:16:01,386 Speaker 1: was coming, but something a little deeper. You gotta be 329 00:16:01,546 --> 00:16:05,426 Speaker 1: real with yourself. And oftentimes I see young people they 330 00:16:05,506 --> 00:16:09,546 Speaker 1: just real with themselves, like they everybody thinks they're the 331 00:16:09,626 --> 00:16:11,426 Speaker 1: best and always the best in this that in the 332 00:16:11,506 --> 00:16:13,786 Speaker 1: third I looked at my situation and I looked, I said, 333 00:16:14,066 --> 00:16:17,306 Speaker 1: how many quarterbacks that look like me to play the 334 00:16:17,546 --> 00:16:19,986 Speaker 1: game that I play is in the National Football League 335 00:16:19,986 --> 00:16:22,386 Speaker 1: having success? Right now? What minute? I mean? You had 336 00:16:22,466 --> 00:16:24,346 Speaker 1: Michael Vick, You has some guy And so when you 337 00:16:24,386 --> 00:16:26,506 Speaker 1: look at it from that situation, you just had to 338 00:16:26,546 --> 00:16:28,986 Speaker 1: be real with yourself. And I just thought I owed 339 00:16:28,986 --> 00:16:31,746 Speaker 1: it to myself five years of chasing this quarterback dream 340 00:16:31,786 --> 00:16:33,866 Speaker 1: in college, that you just give me an opportunity to 341 00:16:33,906 --> 00:16:35,546 Speaker 1: take a snap after that, if you don't like what 342 00:16:35,626 --> 00:16:36,946 Speaker 1: you see, I'll do what I need to do to 343 00:16:36,986 --> 00:16:38,746 Speaker 1: make a living. Okay, So in the long run, that's 344 00:16:38,746 --> 00:16:40,706 Speaker 1: probably the right approach, right because you're staying true to 345 00:16:40,786 --> 00:16:44,746 Speaker 1: yourself and the team that's considering bringing you onto their 346 00:16:44,866 --> 00:16:47,986 Speaker 1: roster knows what they're getting. Yeah, I'll flip it and say, 347 00:16:48,666 --> 00:16:51,026 Speaker 1: maybe you're a little too forthcoming, maybe you're a little 348 00:16:51,106 --> 00:16:54,946 Speaker 1: too honest. You know, I've talked to enough players where 349 00:16:55,106 --> 00:16:58,706 Speaker 1: you go, is that how you really feel? Or is 350 00:16:58,746 --> 00:17:02,706 Speaker 1: that what you were trained to say? And that response 351 00:17:02,866 --> 00:17:05,786 Speaker 1: right like, don't give them too much straddle defense a 352 00:17:05,906 --> 00:17:08,346 Speaker 1: little bit. I don't know what general managers and team 353 00:17:08,386 --> 00:17:10,426 Speaker 1: personnel are thinking like, is that a good thing? Is 354 00:17:10,466 --> 00:17:12,746 Speaker 1: it a bad thing? If you're the face of my franchise, 355 00:17:12,826 --> 00:17:14,666 Speaker 1: are you a little bit of a loose cannon where 356 00:17:14,746 --> 00:17:16,426 Speaker 1: you're gonna be saying stuff that I don't want you 357 00:17:16,506 --> 00:17:19,146 Speaker 1: to say, And maybe being borning is good. I used 358 00:17:19,146 --> 00:17:20,786 Speaker 1: to cover baseball back in the day. You go into 359 00:17:20,786 --> 00:17:24,506 Speaker 1: the Yankees locker room, Derek Jeter was the worst postgame 360 00:17:24,586 --> 00:17:26,666 Speaker 1: interview because Derek Jeter wasn't going to say a damn 361 00:17:26,706 --> 00:17:28,106 Speaker 1: thing and go get you mine, not going to give 362 00:17:28,146 --> 00:17:30,106 Speaker 1: you anything. One. I used to cover my team, the Mets. 363 00:17:30,186 --> 00:17:32,186 Speaker 1: You go in there, PA would be friendly with you 364 00:17:32,306 --> 00:17:34,466 Speaker 1: that you got the kids, you know, running around and 365 00:17:34,546 --> 00:17:38,066 Speaker 1: the music going different vibe. But I don't know what's 366 00:17:38,106 --> 00:17:40,826 Speaker 1: better like, And I don't know how general managers and 367 00:17:41,226 --> 00:17:42,866 Speaker 1: coaches would sit there and go, hey do I want 368 00:17:42,906 --> 00:17:46,106 Speaker 1: this on my squad? Well, I think you know the situation. 369 00:17:46,506 --> 00:17:49,506 Speaker 1: Obviously it has to give context everything, and I think 370 00:17:49,586 --> 00:17:54,066 Speaker 1: just look at my specific situation. I think teams appreciated 371 00:17:54,146 --> 00:17:57,906 Speaker 1: the honesty, appreciated that I was able to see myself 372 00:17:58,066 --> 00:18:00,626 Speaker 1: for truly who I am. Sure you know what I mean. 373 00:18:00,666 --> 00:18:03,626 Speaker 1: And oftentimes we get kids who and people in their 374 00:18:03,666 --> 00:18:06,146 Speaker 1: lives who just keep both of them up, keep pushing 375 00:18:06,186 --> 00:18:08,026 Speaker 1: them up, keep pushing up. Which is all good. Is 376 00:18:08,026 --> 00:18:10,626 Speaker 1: okay to have praise and things like that, but at 377 00:18:10,746 --> 00:18:13,626 Speaker 1: some point you gotta be honest with yourself. And again, 378 00:18:13,986 --> 00:18:16,106 Speaker 1: like I started by answering this question, By this, my 379 00:18:16,306 --> 00:18:18,746 Speaker 1: goal was to play in the National Football League, not 380 00:18:18,946 --> 00:18:21,346 Speaker 1: being an NFL quarterback. And at the end of the day, 381 00:18:21,426 --> 00:18:24,546 Speaker 1: those two principles stuck in my head and I wanted 382 00:18:24,586 --> 00:18:27,546 Speaker 1: to make and guarantee the bag, not necessarily the bag 383 00:18:27,586 --> 00:18:31,266 Speaker 1: at quarterback. Okay, So then there's the actual drills right right, 384 00:18:31,306 --> 00:18:33,466 Speaker 1: Like the forty is the one that stands out. I mean, hell, 385 00:18:33,546 --> 00:18:37,026 Speaker 1: I've done shows this year. I'm still referencing dudes forty 386 00:18:37,066 --> 00:18:39,106 Speaker 1: times because when it's spectacular and then you see it 387 00:18:39,186 --> 00:18:40,826 Speaker 1: in real time on the field. How many times have 388 00:18:41,066 --> 00:18:42,746 Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this on Total Access? 389 00:18:42,906 --> 00:18:45,146 Speaker 1: Tarik Wolan goes out there and you're like, yo, he 390 00:18:45,266 --> 00:18:47,906 Speaker 1: was fast at the combine, and damn that dude might 391 00:18:47,906 --> 00:18:50,106 Speaker 1: be faster on the football field. Like it's crazy the 392 00:18:50,186 --> 00:18:52,626 Speaker 1: context around some of this stuff. I don't know. You 393 00:18:52,706 --> 00:18:55,506 Speaker 1: tell me the drills like forty to me. Sometimes feels 394 00:18:55,546 --> 00:18:59,666 Speaker 1: completely irrelevant depending on the position. Sometimes it's totally relevant 395 00:19:00,026 --> 00:19:02,426 Speaker 1: in the situation that I just made reference to Tyreek Wolan. 396 00:19:02,506 --> 00:19:05,506 Speaker 1: I think it's relevant in almost every position, honestly, and 397 00:19:05,746 --> 00:19:08,306 Speaker 1: know people may be sampled, Mike rob I mean, if 398 00:19:08,346 --> 00:19:10,746 Speaker 1: an offensive lineman has to sprint forty yards like that, 399 00:19:10,826 --> 00:19:12,986 Speaker 1: your team's probably gonna lose, you know what I'm saying, Like, 400 00:19:13,026 --> 00:19:14,426 Speaker 1: if you got to do it that much work. But 401 00:19:14,746 --> 00:19:16,906 Speaker 1: when you look at the forty with the big guys, 402 00:19:17,026 --> 00:19:18,866 Speaker 1: you're really were looking at the first ten yards, You're 403 00:19:18,866 --> 00:19:20,426 Speaker 1: really looking at the get off, You're really looking at 404 00:19:20,466 --> 00:19:23,106 Speaker 1: different aspects of the forty. And people have to understand 405 00:19:23,306 --> 00:19:26,506 Speaker 1: we have to have some type of uniform way to 406 00:19:26,986 --> 00:19:31,386 Speaker 1: basically test guys for just basic athleticism. And I think 407 00:19:31,866 --> 00:19:33,586 Speaker 1: that's what the forty does. That's what the change of 408 00:19:33,666 --> 00:19:35,866 Speaker 1: direction drills do. And then when you get into the fieldwork, 409 00:19:35,906 --> 00:19:39,426 Speaker 1: obviously it goes more into your position specific types of areas. 410 00:19:39,506 --> 00:19:42,346 Speaker 1: But uh yeah, I think the command does a good job. 411 00:19:42,386 --> 00:19:45,466 Speaker 1: But if at least showcasing the athleticism of the genetics 412 00:19:45,506 --> 00:19:48,386 Speaker 1: we have in our league. Okay, so basic athleticism depending 413 00:19:48,426 --> 00:19:50,466 Speaker 1: on positioning group, I'm gonna throw a group of your way. 414 00:19:50,466 --> 00:19:52,666 Speaker 1: You just tell me what the drill matters the most. 415 00:19:53,186 --> 00:19:56,506 Speaker 1: Quarterback seems obvious to me. But it was obvious too, 416 00:19:56,746 --> 00:20:03,746 Speaker 1: I would say throwing right, job, I was nervous, shut 417 00:20:04,506 --> 00:20:10,346 Speaker 1: shuttle subtly, So are you kidding me? Let's go no 418 00:20:11,026 --> 00:20:15,186 Speaker 1: throwing and obviously accuracy ball placement, um, how fluid the 419 00:20:15,266 --> 00:20:18,146 Speaker 1: ball comes out of your hands. But I will say this, 420 00:20:18,346 --> 00:20:22,106 Speaker 1: what guys like Lamar Jackson, what guys like Jalen Hurts um. 421 00:20:22,306 --> 00:20:25,626 Speaker 1: Some people can put justin fields in this category. I 422 00:20:25,746 --> 00:20:28,346 Speaker 1: think the forty and the movement skills are gonna start 423 00:20:28,386 --> 00:20:31,066 Speaker 1: to become more and more important for evaluating that position, 424 00:20:31,146 --> 00:20:34,306 Speaker 1: because again, the more that position runs, the more of 425 00:20:34,386 --> 00:20:37,826 Speaker 1: this game becomes eleven on eleven. All right, I love 426 00:20:37,906 --> 00:20:39,946 Speaker 1: the forty. Can I have a little confession here? What's 427 00:20:40,186 --> 00:20:42,466 Speaker 1: my favorite thing to watch when I go to any 428 00:20:42,466 --> 00:20:44,946 Speaker 1: of the pro days? Or the words? Really? Yeah, I 429 00:20:44,986 --> 00:20:47,266 Speaker 1: don't know why because you know when I was a kid, 430 00:20:47,386 --> 00:20:49,306 Speaker 1: and was I the only kid who did this? But 431 00:20:49,746 --> 00:20:52,146 Speaker 1: you'd walk through a doorway and like you just try 432 00:20:52,186 --> 00:20:53,586 Speaker 1: to hit the top of the doorway. But I don't 433 00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:57,346 Speaker 1: call my wife all the time. Yes, like the problem 434 00:20:57,466 --> 00:21:00,906 Speaker 1: is like a three sixty. So, like you know, I 435 00:21:01,026 --> 00:21:02,346 Speaker 1: used to go when I lived on the East Coast 436 00:21:02,386 --> 00:21:04,026 Speaker 1: and I was closer to family, you know, the Fisher Price. 437 00:21:04,146 --> 00:21:05,666 Speaker 1: I was a Fisher Price all Star man with my 438 00:21:05,786 --> 00:21:09,186 Speaker 1: little cousins dunking on the Now one of them is 439 00:21:09,226 --> 00:21:11,946 Speaker 1: like my height. I'm like son of a man once 440 00:21:11,986 --> 00:21:14,866 Speaker 1: you get good. It's happen genetics, not on our side 441 00:21:14,866 --> 00:21:17,186 Speaker 1: of the family, his dad's side anyway. Besides the point, 442 00:21:17,226 --> 00:21:18,546 Speaker 1: but the vert's always cool to me because it just 443 00:21:18,586 --> 00:21:21,386 Speaker 1: reminds me of my childhood. And I do think that 444 00:21:21,466 --> 00:21:23,706 Speaker 1: there's some of the fact that I really can't jump 445 00:21:23,746 --> 00:21:25,586 Speaker 1: all that high and the knees aren't there anymore. But 446 00:21:25,826 --> 00:21:28,706 Speaker 1: wide receiver, tight end, Like, I don't know how important 447 00:21:28,866 --> 00:21:32,106 Speaker 1: the vertical is for some of those guys. Maybe it is, 448 00:21:32,186 --> 00:21:34,986 Speaker 1: But are there some other drills that if you were evaluating, 449 00:21:34,986 --> 00:21:37,146 Speaker 1: you'd say, hey, I need my wide receiver or tight 450 00:21:37,266 --> 00:21:40,226 Speaker 1: end to be really good in this drill. The vert 451 00:21:40,306 --> 00:21:43,666 Speaker 1: and the broad to me, that correlates to the explosiveness 452 00:21:43,746 --> 00:21:45,946 Speaker 1: that you'll see maybe in the start of their forties 453 00:21:46,106 --> 00:21:48,826 Speaker 1: or maybe really yeah, maybe because just think about it, 454 00:21:48,866 --> 00:21:51,746 Speaker 1: you're not running, you're just seeing how far you can 455 00:21:51,866 --> 00:21:54,666 Speaker 1: jump from a stand still, and it just shows explosiveness. 456 00:21:54,746 --> 00:21:57,106 Speaker 1: And this is not the exact science, but I feel 457 00:21:57,146 --> 00:22:00,266 Speaker 1: like if you look back on some of the biggest, 458 00:22:00,626 --> 00:22:03,746 Speaker 1: you know, broad jumps and verts, they're gonna have some 459 00:22:03,826 --> 00:22:05,866 Speaker 1: of your fastest times. I mean to me that that 460 00:22:05,946 --> 00:22:09,346 Speaker 1: that's just if you're super explosive off a single leg 461 00:22:09,466 --> 00:22:11,866 Speaker 1: or both legs, it's gonna make you move faster. Old line, 462 00:22:12,586 --> 00:22:15,786 Speaker 1: old line. What I got for the old line ten 463 00:22:15,906 --> 00:22:20,426 Speaker 1: yards splitting the forty very important, very very important. I 464 00:22:20,506 --> 00:22:23,426 Speaker 1: will go again to the broad jump and obviously the 465 00:22:23,546 --> 00:22:26,106 Speaker 1: old line change of direction drills, and again I go 466 00:22:26,226 --> 00:22:29,266 Speaker 1: to broad jump, and this is just for me. I 467 00:22:29,386 --> 00:22:31,906 Speaker 1: go to those drills because it shows the bend in 468 00:22:31,946 --> 00:22:35,146 Speaker 1: the hips. It shows the explosiveness from the biggest muscle 469 00:22:35,186 --> 00:22:37,706 Speaker 1: in there in these kids bodies, the hips, and it 470 00:22:38,026 --> 00:22:41,746 Speaker 1: oftentimes shows how powerful they can be at moving people 471 00:22:41,826 --> 00:22:43,786 Speaker 1: off the ball, because again, if they can sink and 472 00:22:43,866 --> 00:22:45,866 Speaker 1: get in their hips and be explosive from their hips, 473 00:22:46,066 --> 00:22:47,866 Speaker 1: they can move people. Is it the same exact thing 474 00:22:47,946 --> 00:22:50,106 Speaker 1: just on the flip side for the D line pretty much? 475 00:22:50,146 --> 00:22:53,106 Speaker 1: I mean that's a big but two sumo wrestlers going 476 00:22:53,146 --> 00:22:55,506 Speaker 1: back and forth, just pushing weight back and forth. But 477 00:22:55,746 --> 00:22:57,626 Speaker 1: for the d line, and I do like to see 478 00:22:57,666 --> 00:22:59,866 Speaker 1: them kind of run the whole forty and just see 479 00:22:59,946 --> 00:23:02,226 Speaker 1: what their delta time the last twenty yards would be, 480 00:23:02,306 --> 00:23:04,546 Speaker 1: and just see how they finish. It really is spectacular 481 00:23:04,626 --> 00:23:07,066 Speaker 1: when some of those dudes can Also You're like, how 482 00:23:07,146 --> 00:23:10,946 Speaker 1: does it dude that big run that fact? It's amazing. 483 00:23:11,226 --> 00:23:14,666 Speaker 1: It is really amazing, yams to see six six, six seven, 484 00:23:14,746 --> 00:23:17,986 Speaker 1: two ninety pounds run four to five and people don't realize, 485 00:23:18,186 --> 00:23:20,386 Speaker 1: like a Kuombolt and one of the greatest receivers our 486 00:23:20,466 --> 00:23:24,306 Speaker 1: league has ever seen, ran a four six four six 487 00:23:24,546 --> 00:23:27,506 Speaker 1: is not slough, you know what I'm saying. It's actually fast. 488 00:23:27,666 --> 00:23:29,866 Speaker 1: But we get so enamored with these fast times and 489 00:23:30,346 --> 00:23:33,506 Speaker 1: things like that we don't necessarily realize it. dB. Similar 490 00:23:33,626 --> 00:23:36,306 Speaker 1: to what you would say for the wide receivers. Yeah, 491 00:23:36,746 --> 00:23:40,066 Speaker 1: obviously for defensive backs being able to track the football 492 00:23:40,266 --> 00:23:42,506 Speaker 1: while it's in the air. Like you look at dbs 493 00:23:42,506 --> 00:23:44,986 Speaker 1: and wide receivers right, like they're the same, dude, one 494 00:23:45,066 --> 00:23:47,306 Speaker 1: can catch one camp. Yeah, that's how we look at 495 00:23:47,386 --> 00:23:50,986 Speaker 1: them and see the differentiation. And oftentimes the great defensive 496 00:23:51,026 --> 00:23:53,706 Speaker 1: backs are the guys that can catch I e. Richard Sherman, 497 00:23:53,786 --> 00:23:56,066 Speaker 1: former wide receivers. So they have a great They do 498 00:23:56,146 --> 00:23:58,026 Speaker 1: a great job at tracking the football, and you won't 499 00:23:58,066 --> 00:24:00,506 Speaker 1: see them flip their hips and getting it out of breaks. 500 00:24:00,546 --> 00:24:02,386 Speaker 1: To see how fluid they are in the hips. It's 501 00:24:02,426 --> 00:24:04,586 Speaker 1: gonna let you know how fast they can break on 502 00:24:04,826 --> 00:24:07,146 Speaker 1: out driving routes. Twenty years ago, if I asked you 503 00:24:07,186 --> 00:24:09,786 Speaker 1: about linebackers, would your answer be the same as it 504 00:24:09,946 --> 00:24:13,266 Speaker 1: is today. No, man, I think the lineback I think 505 00:24:13,746 --> 00:24:16,946 Speaker 1: we're seeing a transformation of the linebacker position. It happened 506 00:24:17,026 --> 00:24:21,026 Speaker 1: right before eyes. Obviously, you have the outside guys who 507 00:24:21,186 --> 00:24:24,826 Speaker 1: are basically pass rushers, right they rushed the passer, you know. 508 00:24:25,186 --> 00:24:28,746 Speaker 1: Sometimes Von Miller's an outside linebacker in his defense. And 509 00:24:28,866 --> 00:24:32,106 Speaker 1: then you got the stand up inside type of linebackers 510 00:24:32,146 --> 00:24:34,426 Speaker 1: like the Roquan Smiths and guys like that. I do 511 00:24:34,586 --> 00:24:37,346 Speaker 1: think it takes different skill sets for those guys. Now. Again, 512 00:24:37,386 --> 00:24:39,946 Speaker 1: twenty years ago, they were more thumpers, more bangers, and 513 00:24:40,026 --> 00:24:42,426 Speaker 1: I think now you have to see movement ability from 514 00:24:42,426 --> 00:24:44,386 Speaker 1: those guys. What about the dudes out of the backfield 515 00:24:44,466 --> 00:24:47,506 Speaker 1: running backs? Oh my gosh, right, my guys. Right, I 516 00:24:47,666 --> 00:24:50,506 Speaker 1: think the forty is important for running backs. I want 517 00:24:50,546 --> 00:24:53,426 Speaker 1: to see whether this guy's gonna make defensive coordinator stay 518 00:24:53,506 --> 00:24:56,706 Speaker 1: up all night. And what I mean by this, there's 519 00:24:56,706 --> 00:24:58,706 Speaker 1: a lot of running backs who can put the ball 520 00:24:58,786 --> 00:25:01,106 Speaker 1: in the right place and get the number of yards 521 00:25:01,186 --> 00:25:03,506 Speaker 1: the play was designed to be blocked for sure, right 522 00:25:03,586 --> 00:25:06,106 Speaker 1: you know, seventy power going to the left, pulling the 523 00:25:06,186 --> 00:25:08,906 Speaker 1: guard that plays usually going to get you between I 524 00:25:08,986 --> 00:25:10,746 Speaker 1: don't know, four to six yards, you know what I mean. 525 00:25:10,786 --> 00:25:12,666 Speaker 1: If your back has got something with him, he can 526 00:25:12,706 --> 00:25:15,426 Speaker 1: get ten to twelve. If he's really special, he'll get through. 527 00:25:15,786 --> 00:25:17,626 Speaker 1: If you got a running back that's in that four 528 00:25:17,786 --> 00:25:20,106 Speaker 1: four four three range, and when he gets to the 529 00:25:20,186 --> 00:25:23,466 Speaker 1: second level he can pull away from defensive backs. That's 530 00:25:23,506 --> 00:25:26,146 Speaker 1: what scares defensive coordinators. And so yeah, look at the 531 00:25:26,186 --> 00:25:28,986 Speaker 1: forty drill obviously the running back change of direction, types 532 00:25:29,026 --> 00:25:31,306 Speaker 1: of drills, and can he catch out of the backfield. 533 00:25:31,306 --> 00:25:33,146 Speaker 1: If he can catch out of the backfield, I don't 534 00:25:33,186 --> 00:25:35,866 Speaker 1: have to sub him on third down. I was working 535 00:25:35,906 --> 00:25:40,466 Speaker 1: with Lt. Ladamian Thominson the other day and someone asked 536 00:25:40,506 --> 00:25:43,146 Speaker 1: him this question in one of our meetings, and I'm 537 00:25:43,186 --> 00:25:45,426 Speaker 1: curious how you would respond to this. How do you 538 00:25:45,586 --> 00:25:48,386 Speaker 1: measure a running back and pass pro. Is there a drill? 539 00:25:48,506 --> 00:25:51,026 Speaker 1: Is there something that's specific at the combine because it's 540 00:25:51,066 --> 00:25:52,866 Speaker 1: such a huge part and we always talk about the 541 00:25:52,986 --> 00:25:56,226 Speaker 1: physical attributes of these guys and what you just characterize 542 00:25:56,266 --> 00:25:58,946 Speaker 1: running down field. Is there a burse where there's real separation, 543 00:25:58,946 --> 00:26:00,866 Speaker 1: because that's going to create a nightmare for a defensive 544 00:26:00,906 --> 00:26:03,186 Speaker 1: coordinator and for the dudeis try to track him down. 545 00:26:03,746 --> 00:26:06,746 Speaker 1: But passpor is such an important part of the game, 546 00:26:06,946 --> 00:26:09,306 Speaker 1: and these guys are asked to do it, it almost 547 00:26:09,386 --> 00:26:11,426 Speaker 1: feels like you're not doing anything at the comboy to 548 00:26:11,506 --> 00:26:14,466 Speaker 1: measure that you can't. Yeah, that's what you can't. You 549 00:26:14,586 --> 00:26:17,666 Speaker 1: cannot do a drill to measure whether a guy can 550 00:26:17,706 --> 00:26:19,426 Speaker 1: be great at pass pro. And I think that's why 551 00:26:19,506 --> 00:26:21,746 Speaker 1: you see some of the elite backs you'll come into 552 00:26:21,786 --> 00:26:25,626 Speaker 1: our league struggle with pass pro at first, because oftentimes 553 00:26:25,666 --> 00:26:27,626 Speaker 1: in college they're never asked, they not asked to do 554 00:26:27,706 --> 00:26:30,986 Speaker 1: a lot of it. And be honest, witche jams. In 555 00:26:31,026 --> 00:26:34,546 Speaker 1: the National Football League, the only time you go live passpro. 556 00:26:34,706 --> 00:26:36,626 Speaker 1: You may get it, you know, two or three times 557 00:26:36,746 --> 00:26:38,786 Speaker 1: during training camp, sure, and then you're in the game, 558 00:26:39,546 --> 00:26:42,226 Speaker 1: and that's really the only time that you can do it. 559 00:26:42,306 --> 00:26:44,546 Speaker 1: But uh yeah, that's tough man. One of my favorite 560 00:26:44,546 --> 00:26:48,146 Speaker 1: words for the draft is twitchy. Like if you played 561 00:26:48,226 --> 00:26:51,186 Speaker 1: the game at home, anytime you heard the word twitchy, 562 00:26:52,026 --> 00:26:53,866 Speaker 1: it'd be a whole lot of fun. It is a 563 00:26:53,946 --> 00:26:56,106 Speaker 1: little bit of a cliche. But coming up next, we'll 564 00:26:56,106 --> 00:26:58,786 Speaker 1: talk about some of the specific traits for players and 565 00:26:58,906 --> 00:27:03,426 Speaker 1: why some of those twitchy type words are actually important. 566 00:27:03,546 --> 00:27:12,906 Speaker 1: That's coming up next on NFL Explained. Back here on 567 00:27:12,946 --> 00:27:15,786 Speaker 1: the NFL's Playing Podcast, Mike Am and my Super Bowl 568 00:27:15,906 --> 00:27:20,106 Speaker 1: champ Michael Robinson, we continue to discuss the combine. Quarterback 569 00:27:20,306 --> 00:27:25,106 Speaker 1: height seems to be a little bit of question mark 570 00:27:25,266 --> 00:27:27,626 Speaker 1: and in this year's draft, and we're gonna see him 571 00:27:27,626 --> 00:27:29,506 Speaker 1: at the combine and Bryce Young from Alabama in the 572 00:27:29,586 --> 00:27:33,146 Speaker 1: top three at his position. He's six feet tall. It 573 00:27:33,306 --> 00:27:35,986 Speaker 1: just maybe a little on the shorter end. I see 574 00:27:36,026 --> 00:27:38,586 Speaker 1: you kind of like, that's a little on the shorter end. 575 00:27:38,626 --> 00:27:42,026 Speaker 1: But but Yams and I don't know, I'm following the comment, bro, 576 00:27:42,546 --> 00:27:46,826 Speaker 1: But to me, it's not the height with Bryce Young, 577 00:27:46,946 --> 00:27:49,066 Speaker 1: it's about the heart. That's That's what I've been telling 578 00:27:49,106 --> 00:27:53,066 Speaker 1: people for years. Well, honestly, it's it's the one hundred 579 00:27:53,066 --> 00:27:56,866 Speaker 1: and ninety four taking a beating. That's what scares me. 580 00:27:56,946 --> 00:27:59,386 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily height. We've seen Russell Wilson five eleven 581 00:27:59,466 --> 00:28:01,906 Speaker 1: six feet in that six foot range still be able 582 00:28:01,946 --> 00:28:04,786 Speaker 1: to operate in an Ask footballleague. Colin Murray, again, he's 583 00:28:04,826 --> 00:28:08,066 Speaker 1: a shorter guy, but these guys are thicker lower body. 584 00:28:08,146 --> 00:28:10,746 Speaker 1: These guys are a little bit more compact, and they 585 00:28:10,826 --> 00:28:13,906 Speaker 1: can kind of handle the riggers. Look, when you're a 586 00:28:13,986 --> 00:28:17,466 Speaker 1: shorter guy, oftentimes in your protection, you gotta find the 587 00:28:17,586 --> 00:28:20,826 Speaker 1: throwing lane. For instance, when you look at that Super 588 00:28:20,866 --> 00:28:24,226 Speaker 1: Bowl Super Bow forty nine, Malcolm Butler intercepted that pass 589 00:28:24,226 --> 00:28:27,026 Speaker 1: from Russell Wilson. Sure, if you look at the pass 590 00:28:27,906 --> 00:28:32,106 Speaker 1: that was the passing lane, Russell really couldn't see or 591 00:28:32,266 --> 00:28:34,666 Speaker 1: he wouldn't be able to throw over anybody that was 592 00:28:34,746 --> 00:28:37,786 Speaker 1: the passing lane. That protection was designed so that the 593 00:28:37,986 --> 00:28:40,306 Speaker 1: lane was where the slant was. And so that's what 594 00:28:40,426 --> 00:28:41,946 Speaker 1: you have to do with the shorter guys. In that 595 00:28:42,026 --> 00:28:44,906 Speaker 1: same game, you saw Tom Brady throw over somebody to 596 00:28:45,026 --> 00:28:47,506 Speaker 1: hit Julian Edelman for a touchdown. When you have height, 597 00:28:47,586 --> 00:28:50,026 Speaker 1: you can throw over guys and it allows you to 598 00:28:50,106 --> 00:28:52,026 Speaker 1: play quarterback a little bit better. Okay, so flip at 599 00:28:52,066 --> 00:28:54,426 Speaker 1: them what's the advantage if you're a shorter guy, because look, 600 00:28:54,666 --> 00:28:56,706 Speaker 1: the reality is we don't not every dude to six 601 00:28:56,746 --> 00:28:59,906 Speaker 1: to five and you know flamethrower out there. Well, the 602 00:29:00,026 --> 00:29:03,746 Speaker 1: advantages you get lost man defensive guys, these big six 603 00:29:03,866 --> 00:29:06,426 Speaker 1: six six five defensive guys trying to get after guys 604 00:29:06,466 --> 00:29:08,986 Speaker 1: like a Russell Wilson, Coller Murray and guys like that too. 605 00:29:09,026 --> 00:29:11,306 Speaker 1: A little bit shorter, they're actually able to get out 606 00:29:11,306 --> 00:29:15,146 Speaker 1: of trouble a little bit better. But yes, oftentimes when 607 00:29:15,186 --> 00:29:17,386 Speaker 1: they get a little bit of pressure, they have to 608 00:29:17,506 --> 00:29:19,946 Speaker 1: retreat and move so that they can see. That's what 609 00:29:20,266 --> 00:29:22,266 Speaker 1: that's what happens if we have a smaller quarterback. But 610 00:29:22,346 --> 00:29:24,666 Speaker 1: again it's the one hundred ninety four pounds because I 611 00:29:24,706 --> 00:29:26,746 Speaker 1: don't mean to say this because he went to Alabama 612 00:29:26,746 --> 00:29:30,026 Speaker 1: as well, but I look at two what six foot 613 00:29:30,066 --> 00:29:31,826 Speaker 1: two hundred and seventeen pounds. I don't think he's two 614 00:29:31,866 --> 00:29:33,666 Speaker 1: hundred seventeen pounds. I stood next to him when he 615 00:29:33,746 --> 00:29:35,826 Speaker 1: when they played in that Buffalo game. I didn't think 616 00:29:35,866 --> 00:29:38,346 Speaker 1: he was that big. And again, his issue has been 617 00:29:38,466 --> 00:29:41,946 Speaker 1: protecting himself from hitting the ground, something that I think 618 00:29:41,986 --> 00:29:43,546 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to look at Okay, I want to 619 00:29:43,626 --> 00:29:46,506 Speaker 1: throw another measurable your way at the quarterback spot. It 620 00:29:46,666 --> 00:29:49,466 Speaker 1: was a huge conversation a season ago. You know exactly 621 00:29:49,506 --> 00:29:52,106 Speaker 1: where I'm going with this, Kenny Pickett, we heard about 622 00:29:52,186 --> 00:29:55,666 Speaker 1: hand side got little hands. Broka. I'm just saying, dog, 623 00:29:55,986 --> 00:29:57,586 Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna throw this your way. How about this, 624 00:29:57,626 --> 00:30:01,746 Speaker 1: statistically speaking, Russell Wilson notoriously large hands? Right? Okay, you 625 00:30:01,786 --> 00:30:03,826 Speaker 1: would know you were teammates with him. I don't rush 626 00:30:03,866 --> 00:30:06,386 Speaker 1: shook his hands. Russell can dap you b and his 627 00:30:06,506 --> 00:30:11,106 Speaker 1: middle finger hits your elbow. Okay, So what you're saying 628 00:30:11,266 --> 00:30:15,026 Speaker 1: is not small hands for Russo. But how about this now? 629 00:30:15,146 --> 00:30:18,106 Speaker 1: Alex Smith? Also, Um, this was a conversation around Alex 630 00:30:18,186 --> 00:30:19,866 Speaker 1: Smith back in the day when he was drafted by 631 00:30:19,866 --> 00:30:23,346 Speaker 1: the Niners. Wilson, who's got the large chance that you 632 00:30:23,426 --> 00:30:25,946 Speaker 1: made reference to in a large you know, middle finger 633 00:30:25,986 --> 00:30:29,426 Speaker 1: that would my elbow? Okay? A career fumble rate that's 634 00:30:29,546 --> 00:30:32,226 Speaker 1: higher than Smith's. Are we getting off the rails here? 635 00:30:32,346 --> 00:30:35,386 Speaker 1: Yes we are. He's taken a few or more sacks. 636 00:30:35,426 --> 00:30:37,306 Speaker 1: But are we making too much of a bigger deal 637 00:30:37,466 --> 00:30:40,106 Speaker 1: when it comes to a hand size for a quarterback? Um? 638 00:30:40,226 --> 00:30:42,386 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yes and no. Yes, we are making 639 00:30:42,386 --> 00:30:43,946 Speaker 1: a little bit of a bigger deal because it's not 640 00:30:44,066 --> 00:30:46,346 Speaker 1: like every quarterback had the biggest hands in the world. 641 00:30:46,586 --> 00:30:49,146 Speaker 1: You know, there's been successful quarterbacks that has smaller hands. 642 00:30:49,466 --> 00:30:52,186 Speaker 1: Michael Vick has smaller hands. That's one of the knocks 643 00:30:52,226 --> 00:30:53,746 Speaker 1: on me. They keble saying, man, your hands are like 644 00:30:53,826 --> 00:30:56,666 Speaker 1: Michael Vings Man, you got runner hands. I'm like, whatever 645 00:30:56,666 --> 00:31:01,466 Speaker 1: the hell that means? Um when you when you look 646 00:31:01,466 --> 00:31:03,506 Speaker 1: at these quarterbacks with the with the bigger with the 647 00:31:03,586 --> 00:31:06,146 Speaker 1: bigger hands, that's when you get the weird at arm 648 00:31:06,226 --> 00:31:09,626 Speaker 1: angles and the Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen crazy throws, 649 00:31:09,786 --> 00:31:12,146 Speaker 1: and you know, you see the Russell Wilson looked like 650 00:31:12,186 --> 00:31:15,186 Speaker 1: he's at short stop throwing the football. Sometimes, to me, 651 00:31:15,706 --> 00:31:18,186 Speaker 1: when a guy has larger hands, whether doesn't affect him, 652 00:31:18,426 --> 00:31:21,306 Speaker 1: height doesn't affect him as much getting the ball out 653 00:31:21,386 --> 00:31:24,706 Speaker 1: and slinging the football, and having Aaron Rodgers another one, 654 00:31:25,066 --> 00:31:27,026 Speaker 1: having being able to get the ball out of weird 655 00:31:27,146 --> 00:31:29,626 Speaker 1: arm angles. They that just doesn't affect these guys. Okay, 656 00:31:29,666 --> 00:31:32,426 Speaker 1: So lengths to me in certain spots makes all the 657 00:31:32,466 --> 00:31:34,386 Speaker 1: difference in the world than it becomes obvious. I was 658 00:31:34,426 --> 00:31:36,426 Speaker 1: talking to a coach a couple weeks ago, college coach 659 00:31:36,466 --> 00:31:37,826 Speaker 1: who was telling me about one of his guys who 660 00:31:37,826 --> 00:31:40,466 Speaker 1: will see it the combine and his length and how 661 00:31:40,546 --> 00:31:44,146 Speaker 1: important it was, and I watched him in up practices 662 00:31:44,186 --> 00:31:46,786 Speaker 1: in Vegas. I'm like, damn, that coach wasn't lying like this. 663 00:31:47,066 --> 00:31:51,346 Speaker 1: This dude is freaking long. From a lineman standpoint, offensive line, 664 00:31:51,346 --> 00:31:53,146 Speaker 1: I always talk about the reach of these guys. How 665 00:31:53,266 --> 00:31:56,666 Speaker 1: important is that reach because in some instance we're talking 666 00:31:56,706 --> 00:31:58,226 Speaker 1: about like an inch half an inch, Like, is it 667 00:31:58,346 --> 00:32:02,266 Speaker 1: that meaningful? It's huge? No kidding, yeah, I mean think 668 00:32:02,266 --> 00:32:04,266 Speaker 1: about it. If you a guy out six six sixty 669 00:32:04,266 --> 00:32:06,546 Speaker 1: seven and you put your arms out and you're leaning 670 00:32:06,546 --> 00:32:09,346 Speaker 1: a little bit and you're blocking somebody and you're fully extended, 671 00:32:09,666 --> 00:32:12,146 Speaker 1: you're that much further away from the quarterback. It makes 672 00:32:12,186 --> 00:32:14,146 Speaker 1: the guy run that much further. I'm talking about offensive 673 00:32:14,186 --> 00:32:17,626 Speaker 1: lineman having to get to the quarterback. And people don't realize, Yes, 674 00:32:18,386 --> 00:32:22,586 Speaker 1: offensive line play and trench play it's a very physical affair. 675 00:32:23,266 --> 00:32:25,306 Speaker 1: But when you talk to any offensive line coach or 676 00:32:25,306 --> 00:32:28,626 Speaker 1: anybody that that's played in the trenches, it's all about hands, 677 00:32:28,706 --> 00:32:31,066 Speaker 1: it's all about arms, it's all about that punch. The 678 00:32:31,226 --> 00:32:33,906 Speaker 1: defensive guys are so much more athletic. You just want 679 00:32:33,946 --> 00:32:36,586 Speaker 1: to get him like stopped for a second, and that 680 00:32:36,706 --> 00:32:40,226 Speaker 1: punch it does just that. So yeah, I mean length 681 00:32:40,306 --> 00:32:42,746 Speaker 1: for all offensive linement vitally important. And I can even 682 00:32:42,866 --> 00:32:45,266 Speaker 1: go for the pass rushers too, being able to have 683 00:32:45,426 --> 00:32:48,826 Speaker 1: those long arms to be able to shed an offensive 684 00:32:48,866 --> 00:32:52,106 Speaker 1: linement and disengage. That's what the length means for defensive players. 685 00:32:52,226 --> 00:32:54,946 Speaker 1: Just real quick on the length of some of these players. 686 00:32:55,466 --> 00:32:58,826 Speaker 1: When you look at a guy and you know that 687 00:32:58,946 --> 00:33:01,226 Speaker 1: he's long, have you ever been fooled? Because sometimes I 688 00:33:01,426 --> 00:33:03,066 Speaker 1: look at it, dude, and I go, he's really long, 689 00:33:03,106 --> 00:33:06,866 Speaker 1: And then you see the measurables after and I go, what, Like, 690 00:33:07,346 --> 00:33:10,226 Speaker 1: he looks bigger than what he actually is. It doesn't 691 00:33:10,266 --> 00:33:12,426 Speaker 1: make sense to me. Well, first of all, is a 692 00:33:12,506 --> 00:33:16,626 Speaker 1: guy slouched over? And how's it with this posture? Looked like? Look, 693 00:33:16,786 --> 00:33:19,506 Speaker 1: all of those things can affect what a guy looks 694 00:33:19,546 --> 00:33:22,666 Speaker 1: like as opposed to his actual measurables. But I mean, 695 00:33:23,826 --> 00:33:26,586 Speaker 1: this game is about genetics. This game is about being 696 00:33:26,706 --> 00:33:29,586 Speaker 1: physically dominant, and if you're a guy that can move 697 00:33:30,306 --> 00:33:33,266 Speaker 1: right and you have length, a coach is going to 698 00:33:33,346 --> 00:33:35,106 Speaker 1: find a place for you. That's just what this game 699 00:33:35,226 --> 00:33:36,906 Speaker 1: is all about. And Rob, you know the point that 700 00:33:36,946 --> 00:33:40,386 Speaker 1: I'm bringing up I'm being fooled is there's been multiple 701 00:33:40,466 --> 00:33:44,026 Speaker 1: dbs where I see how long their arms are and 702 00:33:44,146 --> 00:33:45,666 Speaker 1: I think to myself, oh my god, the length is 703 00:33:45,746 --> 00:33:48,426 Speaker 1: kind of crazy here. And yet I see the wingspan 704 00:33:48,466 --> 00:33:50,946 Speaker 1: when they get measured at their prote or their combine, 705 00:33:50,946 --> 00:33:53,506 Speaker 1: and it's not always matching up. But the importance of 706 00:33:53,666 --> 00:33:57,546 Speaker 1: that length for me just keeping guys wide receivers at 707 00:33:57,626 --> 00:34:00,146 Speaker 1: bay coming off the line, extending out like there's some 708 00:34:00,266 --> 00:34:07,586 Speaker 1: obvious functionality. Absolutely, and look where a defensive back, if 709 00:34:07,666 --> 00:34:10,626 Speaker 1: he lacks some footspeed, the length is vital. And I 710 00:34:10,666 --> 00:34:13,426 Speaker 1: always go to my good friend Richard Sherman. Richard Sherman 711 00:34:13,546 --> 00:34:16,546 Speaker 1: is not gonna go out here and beat Tyreek Hill 712 00:34:16,626 --> 00:34:19,586 Speaker 1: and running. But the thing about Sherman is because he's 713 00:34:19,626 --> 00:34:22,066 Speaker 1: so long, and guys like him a Brandon Browner at 714 00:34:22,106 --> 00:34:25,186 Speaker 1: some point Tyreek woolin now with the Seahawks. Because they're 715 00:34:25,226 --> 00:34:29,706 Speaker 1: so long, they can actually wait a second longer when 716 00:34:29,746 --> 00:34:32,386 Speaker 1: they're defending a guy, meaning they can wait until they 717 00:34:32,426 --> 00:34:35,106 Speaker 1: actually see the ball about to come out because they 718 00:34:35,266 --> 00:34:38,266 Speaker 1: have the length to catch up. Meaning again not necessarily 719 00:34:38,306 --> 00:34:40,786 Speaker 1: the foot speed, but they have the length that if 720 00:34:40,826 --> 00:34:42,906 Speaker 1: they were within a step or two, they can get 721 00:34:42,946 --> 00:34:45,306 Speaker 1: to the football. And that's that's vier Lymport. I love that. 722 00:34:45,426 --> 00:34:48,666 Speaker 1: I've never heard this, but recovery length. Can I coin that? 723 00:34:48,946 --> 00:34:52,426 Speaker 1: Go ahead? Oka is about recovery speed. I've never heard 724 00:34:52,426 --> 00:34:56,506 Speaker 1: covery length. Yeah, I'm gonna start explaining. Yo, I gotta 725 00:34:57,026 --> 00:34:59,906 Speaker 1: I'm doing draft coverage NFL dot Com this year again. 726 00:34:59,986 --> 00:35:02,106 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm I'm throwing that. I'm gonna say. 727 00:35:02,266 --> 00:35:05,586 Speaker 1: It's gonna sound like like I'm I'm DJ recovery length. 728 00:35:06,106 --> 00:35:08,306 Speaker 1: That's gonna be one of my teams at some point. 729 00:35:08,346 --> 00:35:10,506 Speaker 1: I like that. I do want to get into some 730 00:35:10,586 --> 00:35:13,226 Speaker 1: of the numbers in the science behind what we're discussing here. 731 00:35:13,306 --> 00:35:15,746 Speaker 1: One study from the University of Utah found that the 732 00:35:15,906 --> 00:35:18,506 Speaker 1: first ten yards of a running backs forty yard dash 733 00:35:18,546 --> 00:35:22,346 Speaker 1: time was predictive of their yards per carry in the NFL, 734 00:35:22,946 --> 00:35:24,826 Speaker 1: which I don't know if that surprises you. Were not, 735 00:35:24,986 --> 00:35:28,426 Speaker 1: But another study from sports scientists at the University of 736 00:35:28,546 --> 00:35:31,186 Speaker 1: Rhode Island found that the broad jump was a decent 737 00:35:31,226 --> 00:35:35,146 Speaker 1: indicator of successive running backs d ns and defensive tackles. 738 00:35:35,186 --> 00:35:36,866 Speaker 1: You're throwing up your hands. You're like, yeah, man, I 739 00:35:36,986 --> 00:35:39,186 Speaker 1: got through broad jump out there a few times. Man. 740 00:35:39,266 --> 00:35:43,226 Speaker 1: Because again, if you're explosive off your individual legs like that, man, 741 00:35:43,266 --> 00:35:45,226 Speaker 1: it makes you, It makes your speedster. And then over 742 00:35:45,306 --> 00:35:48,466 Speaker 1: at UCLA, how about this from a quarterback perspective, they 743 00:35:48,626 --> 00:35:53,026 Speaker 1: determined that NFL success it only found one true correlation. 744 00:35:53,266 --> 00:35:57,706 Speaker 1: Check this out, a quarterback's height and their future completion percentage. 745 00:35:58,226 --> 00:36:01,666 Speaker 1: Really yeah, maybe it becomes some of those easier throws 746 00:36:01,746 --> 00:36:03,786 Speaker 1: that you were talking about, not having to rely on 747 00:36:03,866 --> 00:36:06,146 Speaker 1: some of those throwing lands. I don't know, but the folks, 748 00:36:06,266 --> 00:36:09,146 Speaker 1: the smart folks at u CELA said, that's that's what 749 00:36:09,266 --> 00:36:12,386 Speaker 1: the deal makes sense. So a lot of analysis to 750 00:36:12,586 --> 00:36:14,906 Speaker 1: unpack here. I'm gonna brass taxes or I'm gonna ask 751 00:36:14,946 --> 00:36:19,106 Speaker 1: you to do that. Gmcap On, dudes got great tape 752 00:36:19,426 --> 00:36:23,466 Speaker 1: combined in person when you're there it's okay or the 753 00:36:23,626 --> 00:36:26,586 Speaker 1: dude just got okay tape and just wows you at 754 00:36:26,626 --> 00:36:29,066 Speaker 1: the combine. Which how do you balance those things? Man, 755 00:36:29,386 --> 00:36:31,546 Speaker 1: that's a good question. I mean, that's the rub of 756 00:36:32,106 --> 00:36:36,266 Speaker 1: why you're a general manager or a talent evaluator. I 757 00:36:37,266 --> 00:36:41,986 Speaker 1: value game tape more because again, when you ask any 758 00:36:42,026 --> 00:36:45,106 Speaker 1: football player, they don't want to miss games. They don't 759 00:36:45,146 --> 00:36:47,266 Speaker 1: care about practice, right, Well, some of guys don't care 760 00:36:47,266 --> 00:36:50,426 Speaker 1: about practice. They do not want to miss games. Guys 761 00:36:50,546 --> 00:36:54,266 Speaker 1: want to show up and show out in the biggest situations. 762 00:36:54,626 --> 00:36:57,346 Speaker 1: And so for me, if I'm evaluating a guy, I 763 00:36:57,466 --> 00:37:01,466 Speaker 1: gotta see what he looked like when he was all 764 00:37:01,586 --> 00:37:03,426 Speaker 1: motivated and ready to go out there and do his 765 00:37:03,546 --> 00:37:06,346 Speaker 1: job on his level, right, I just want to see 766 00:37:06,426 --> 00:37:09,186 Speaker 1: him comfortable there. And that's why I value game tape. 767 00:37:09,306 --> 00:37:12,266 Speaker 1: I really do, yams. You you can't just make your 768 00:37:12,706 --> 00:37:15,986 Speaker 1: draft picks or your draft analysis solely based off the combine. 769 00:37:16,266 --> 00:37:19,586 Speaker 1: There's just it's not real football being played, it's it's 770 00:37:19,826 --> 00:37:23,826 Speaker 1: drills being done so that you can evaluate. I've always 771 00:37:23,906 --> 00:37:28,386 Speaker 1: thought that used the combine to enhance your thoughts on 772 00:37:28,466 --> 00:37:31,786 Speaker 1: a player or take away like the personality thing to 773 00:37:31,866 --> 00:37:34,026 Speaker 1: me is really important because I look in a day 774 00:37:34,066 --> 00:37:37,706 Speaker 1: and age where character actually matters, or I think it does. 775 00:37:38,346 --> 00:37:41,106 Speaker 1: To me that face to face interaction, like I already 776 00:37:41,146 --> 00:37:43,826 Speaker 1: seen what you can do on game film when when 777 00:37:43,946 --> 00:37:45,626 Speaker 1: bullets are alive, I want to know how you are, 778 00:37:45,706 --> 00:37:48,026 Speaker 1: how you're going to represent an organization, which is why 779 00:37:48,026 --> 00:37:50,466 Speaker 1: a lot of these teams, as you mentioned earlier, know 780 00:37:50,586 --> 00:37:52,866 Speaker 1: about all the stuff that you were doing before even 781 00:37:52,906 --> 00:37:55,946 Speaker 1: got to your don't lie about any of that stuff. 782 00:37:55,946 --> 00:37:58,826 Speaker 1: Many already know it. Bottom line here combine, we absolutely 783 00:37:58,866 --> 00:38:01,026 Speaker 1: love it. We're going to have complete coverage Do not 784 00:38:01,266 --> 00:38:05,946 Speaker 1: Miss exclusively on NFL Network. Coverage Thursday, March second at 785 00:38:05,986 --> 00:38:09,386 Speaker 1: three pm goes through Sunday, March fifth, which means if 786 00:38:09,386 --> 00:38:11,826 Speaker 1: you're sending those dms with questions you can you can 787 00:38:11,866 --> 00:38:13,626 Speaker 1: say some nice things about the show. I might be 788 00:38:13,706 --> 00:38:16,866 Speaker 1: a little slow to respond to my apologies and Rob 789 00:38:16,986 --> 00:38:19,426 Speaker 1: terrific job is always I'm my Kem. I always appreciated 790 00:38:19,466 --> 00:38:22,426 Speaker 1: our crew help us out in an immense way. Thanks 791 00:38:22,426 --> 00:38:23,186 Speaker 1: so much for listening.