WEBVTT - Will The Epstein Files Bring Down Trump? + How Big Tech Is Weaponizing Your Data Against You w/ Lina Khan 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:08.319 Hello, They're Happy Thursday. Welcome to another episode of the 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:11.000 Chuck Podcast. Got a terrific guest today, the former chair 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:15.560 of the FTC Federal Trade Commission, Lena kah is going 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:19.120 to join me for a conversation about sort of consumer 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:22.960 protection in the age of in this age of AI 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:28.600 big tech corporate consolidation, the fact that she was one 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.120 of the few Biden appointees that had a fan base 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:35.239 on the right as well as on the left. And 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:41.680 I hope it's both one part education about what exactly 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:47.320 the FTC should and can do, and one part sort 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:50.839 of warning, if you will, about about the things that 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:54.319 the government should be doing but hasn't been able to do. 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:57.120 I of course believe we're in a moment here not 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:02.800 dissimilar to the moment Teddy Roosevelt face miss the original Trustbuster, 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.760 if you will, And we're in a similar period, right, 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.200 the rise of the robber barons, the rise of the prologarts. 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:12.600 So I really have been looking forward to this interview. 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.160 I enjoyed it. I hope you will too. But before 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:19.480 we get to it, this was kind of Look, we 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.440 have plenty of days where we say wow, this was 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.800 kind of a crazy day. In the Trump era. And 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:30.200 you know, if you just's you could probably say about 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:31.720 half the days, you could say this is kind of 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.600 a crazy day in the Trump era. But we were 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.920 felt as if the morning began. I'm speaking to you 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.800 now it's Wednesday evening on July sixteenth, but this day 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:46.720 began on Wednesday, July sixteenth, where we thought we were 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:48.560 about to cover a story. Is the President of the 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.919 United States going to fire the chairman of the Federal 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.120 Reserve as a way to turn the page on the 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.760 Jeffrey Epstein scandal. And that's exactly what it seemed to 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:00.880 be what was building. There was a leak of this 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.960 meeting that he had, and I've been in the room 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.600 when Donald Trump has shown letters. Look, I've got a 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:12.400 firing letter. I had a bizarre heads up about his 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.760 indecision to fire people at one point and had an 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.880 interesting off the record with him before a firing when 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.240 he was asking for the opinions. You know, I've come 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:24.800 up with this letter saying I'm going to fire so 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.040 and so and so. He did it. This is not 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:29.040 a new thing for him. This is sort of how 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.240 he operates. He'll get somebody will put me, get me 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.240 a release, give me a letter, I'm going to fire somebody. 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.360 So apparently you had this letter together. Whether he's going 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.720 to fire Jerome Powell. Clearly they've and I told you 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.720 about this on Monday. I said, this is a story 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:45.799 that should be getting more attention, And boy did it 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.240 start getting attention, because it was clear something was afoot 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:53.000 where in order to get around the question about whether 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:56.160 the President had the power to fire the chairman of 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.560 the Federal Reserve. I couldn't fire him over a policy dispute. 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.160 That was pretty clear. The Supreme Court seemed to make 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.160 that clear to him, even as they've given him a 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:08.440 green light to fire, to have a more executive authority 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:12.360 on to hire and fire. The loophole they were developing 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:17.040 was all about, well, he's overseeing this renovation of the 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:21.920 Federal Reserves headquarters in Washington. There are cost overruns, and 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.880 the president did they believe they did have the legal 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.000 authority to fire him early on that so it looked 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:29.880 like they were manufacturing this authority. Well, of course, what 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.399 did the market. The markets had something to say to him. 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:37.320 The markets started awfully on Wednesday morning, and then of 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:41.680 course by noon he's backed off. But it does feel 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.600 as if you can't help but wonder. And I'm going 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:48.520 to use the words of my friendly and Caldwell over 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:54.840 at PAK where she said many Republicans she was talking 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:56.839 to over the past few days had predicted that Trump 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.400 was going to do something pretty dramatic in order to 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:03.720 distract from and that the anti Powell letter that he 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:09.240 produced was part of that idea that maybe feeding that 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.440 to his base could distract him. But I think he's 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:16.000 finding out now that this story is not not going 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:20.320 away at all, and he decided to light the fuse, right, 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:22.880 and the fuse that he lit is he attacked his 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:26.560 own supporters on this story, and he attacked them in 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.960 a way that I've always wondered what happens. He attacked 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.960 him in a way frankly that mainstream media and the 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.400 left has attacked his supporters at time, like you guys 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:40.479 are idiots. You're being duked, and that is usually not 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.240 a good way. You know, nobody is going when you 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.279 tell somebody they've been duped, Right, there's an expression it 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:49.880 is easier to con somebody than it is to convince 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:55.080 somebody they've been conned. Well, here's what he wrote. This 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.360 is this morning is truth. So the radical left Democrats 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.839 have hit payder again, just like the fake and fully 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:04.040 credited Steele docia, the lying fifty one intelligence agents, the 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:07.359 Laptop from Hell, which the Dems swore had come from Russia, No, 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.119 it came from Hunter Biden's bathroom, and even the Russia 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.880 Russia Russia scam itself, a totally fake and made up 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:15.200 story used in order to hide crooked Hillary Clinton's big 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.200 loss in the twenty sixteen election. These scams and hoaxes 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.760 are all the Democrats are good at. They are no 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:24.599 good at governing. Also, unlike Republicans, they stick together like 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:26.719 glu Actually that's not true. I'm going to have a 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:28.640 little comment about that with Hunter Biden, and I don't 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:30.839 they got a Biden agrees with them on that. Their 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.480 new scam, he writes, is what we will forever call 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.760 the Jeffrey Epstein hoax. And my past supporters have brought 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.640 into this bullshit, hook line and sinker. They haven't learned 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:42.400 their lesson and probably never will, even after being conned 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.599 by the lunatic left for eight long years. Actually, his 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:49.400 supporters weren't cone by the left because they've stuck by him. 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.320 But anyway, but I digress. I've had more success than 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.680 six months than perhaps any president in our country's history. 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:56.719 And all these people want to talk about with strong 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:58.800 prodding by the fake news, and the success star of 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.560 Dems is the Jeff free Epstein hoax. Let these weaklings 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:04.920 continue forward and do the Democrats work. Don't even think 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:09.400 about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success because I 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.919 don't want their support anymore. Thank you for your attention 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:19.120 to this matter. Make America great again. Well to say 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.640 that that went down that that didn't go down well 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.760 with his supporters is an understatement. And look, he is behaving. 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:30.200 What's interesting here The word hoax is an incredibly important 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:34.800 word that he used here because hoax is the word 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.480 that he always attached to Russia, and hoax is in 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:41.000 some ways, you know, I would say it's Trump speak 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:45.160 for I have no other explanations for my weird behavior. Right. 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.560 You know, one of the hallmarks of the twenty sixteen 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:53.680 Russia scandal was it was it was clear Russia was infiltrating, 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:59.120 you know, was trying to you know, manipulate our our 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:02.800 political conversation or discourse, or I mean that's been proven. Right, 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:08.360 the Justice Department charged a group out of Russia. Sanctions 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.960 were had like this is this is not in dispute. 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.640 Marco Rubio signed on to an investigation. The current Secretary 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.840 of State for Donald Trump signed on to an investigation 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:20.720 by the Senate that also, that is not in dispute. 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:26.360 The Russian government wanted to get involved, disrupted our election 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:28.680 in any way they thought they could, and yes, they 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:33.120 had a preference, and their preference they wanted Trump, not Clint. Now, 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.280 of course, what's in dispute was whether the Trump campaign 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.280 was colluding with the Russians to do this, or whether 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.880 they were just happily accepting the help the way you 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:47.640 might accept help from a surrogate or a labor union 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.720 or some other outside group, no different than the Koch 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:54.040 brothers paying for advertising to help the Republican ticket. This 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:56.760 was just, oh, the enemy of my enemy is my 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:01.360 ally and Trump's. But it was Trump's person behavior about 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:05.160 it that actually brought on more suspicion, and in fact, 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.880 there's something very similar is happening here. John chap who's 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.960 now The Atlantic, formerly of New York Magazine. He writes 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.480 this se because sometimes people sound guilty even if they aren't, 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:17.520 especially if their government officials still, whatever probability you had 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.120 in your mind that the Epstein files contained damaging material, 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.720 you should probably raise it after listening to Trump's remarks 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.480 on the subject. And that's the thing, right, It's the 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:29.440 same thing that happened with the Russian investigation. The more 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:33.240 he said things like, hey, Russia, if you're listening, you know, 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.200 the more he would talk about how much he loved 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.480 the wiki leagues and how much he seemed his campaign 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:43.839 appeared to be at least either really nimble for when 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.520 there were new wikileague releases or sometime Hoow got a 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.840 heads up and look like they were coordinating. Now, perhaps 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.080 they just it was Julianasan who was very helpful to 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:54.839 the Trump campaign, and it had nothing to do with 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.800 the Russians. I think there's a lot of I think 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:04.240 it is a reasonable conclusion that Trump didn't collude with 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.400 the Russians. But at the same time, he didn't mind 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.400 getting their help. Uh, and a lot of a lot 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:11.520 of folks didn't mind it, and didn't certainly didn't tell 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:15.560 them to stop, and certainly didn't you know, there was 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.920 one of the great uh, one of the weirder scandal 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.959 near scandals of the two thousand election. I'm gonna do 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:27.520 a little diversionary history lesson here Al Gore, George W. Bush. 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:32.840 Al Gore gets mailed a videotape of George W. Bush's 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:38.160 debate prep and they don't understand and it clearly came 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:44.280 from some staffer, uh in, you know, the Bush's media consultants. 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.559 Mark McKinnon's firm had never really worked with Republicans before 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.199 working with with with Bush. So there was some speculation 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:55.920 that there was some sort of cranky Democratic staffers working 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.800 on behalf of McKennon and Bush that may have may 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.920 have done this. Well, the Gore campaign was petrified, thought 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.400 they were being framed, and they went directly to the 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:10.080 FBI right and it basically became a nothing burger. Donald 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.960 Trump didn't actually go, you know whatever, they knew what 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.520 the Russians were, They didn't go running to the FBI going, hey, 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.200 look we are worried the Russians are doing this. You know, 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:21.800 John McCain and Barack Obama's campaign were hacked in eight 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.000 and they took that dispute and they made sure law 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.840 enforcement knew before it ever went public. So my point 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.200 is is that it's pretty clear Donald Trump had no 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:33.319 interest in alerting law enforcement, had that something that was 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.280 benefiting their campaign. But hey, this isn't on the up 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.640 and up. That ain't the way Donald Trump acts, thanks behaves, 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:43.880 et cetera. So my point is that I think it's 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.640 certainly plausible that two things can be true at the 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.200 same time. Right, And of course, you know, Trump the 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:53.040 advantage of the Steele dosia at the time is what 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.760 Trump was so successful at doing is if you can 0:10:55.800 --> 0:11:00.920 discredit the steel dosier, you know, then it makes it 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.040 easier to discredit everything else. And then still does say 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.679 there was enough there that they could plausibly discredit the 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.960 story of Michael Cohen going to the Prague and the 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:12.240 whole you know, Ppe tape business that it turned out 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.520 like you know, I'm one of those that if if 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.920 it existed, it'd be out already. So it's it's likely 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.640 that this was and it's possible Christopher Steele was being 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.040 played by other Russians in that that all of this 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:28.520 was a mess there. But let me come back to Epstein, right, 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:32.000 which is, you know, I don't think a lot of 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:36.040 people Again, you go back to Trump's relationship, and it 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.800 was something I talked about before that I'm going to 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.080 go back. The most plausible explanation is yet a whole 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:47.600 bunch of rich people who had no problem taking free 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:52.760 plane rides with Jeffrey Epstein, free stuff from him, no, 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:57.320 you know, and knew who he was, always had the 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.280 you know, Donald Trump is on the record talking about 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.280 how young Jeffrey liked them, and they didn't look the 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.320 other way, right, or they just chose to look the 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.280 other way. It didn't bob, you know, because that's how 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.320 much they wanted the free airplane. And this so called 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.760 client list is. And again I go back to the government. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.520 If they have you cannot do what they what what 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.160 some of these folks want, release everybody that may have 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:22.480 been associated with him, which may simply be were you 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.400 on the air and an airplane with him at any 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:28.360 one time? And of course people are going to take 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:29.880 that and assume if you were ever on an airplane, 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.520 you're a ped You're you're a pedophile too, right, And 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:39.000 that's where and this is so the question is is 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.400 that what Trump's afraid of? But now the more that 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:43.880 he digs in his heels, the more he digs in 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:45.319 his heels, the more he digs in his heels, and 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.840 now it's like, you know, I'm not going to sit 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:50.760 here and say I believe that he was doing the 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.120 same things Jeffrey was doing Jeffrey Epstein was doing. But 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:58.080 the more the more defiant he sounds, the more he 0:12:58.120 --> 0:12:59.920 digs in his heels, and the more he attacks his 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:06.920 own supporters, the more clearly it's going to raise questions. 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.120 Now let's go back to why is he having a 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:13.720 hard time. Normally he can just tell his supporters, you know, 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.520 do his own Jedi my trick. These aren't the hoaxes 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.280 you're looking for. Pay no attention. Oh these ass isn't 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:21.360 the hoax we're looking for. You know, this work done? 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.439 Fox News? Oh hey, don't pay any attention to Jeffrey Epstein, 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:29.120 got it? And Fox News salutes the flag. They don't 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:34.360 cover anything in the Jeffrey Epstein story. Charlie Kirk said, 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:36.360 you know, when Trump said he was done with it, 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:38.960 Charlie Kirk then saluted the flag, said he's done with it. 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:40.960 Then he got attacked for that, then he came back. 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:44.200 So he's kind of a mess, right, But there's a 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.600 reason why. And again I go back to I go 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:51.040 back to the point of the hardest thing to do 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.240 is it is harder to give in somebody they've been 0:13:55.280 --> 0:14:00.200 conned than to actually con them. And that's where we are. 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.480 And you've got to understand the importance of Jeffrey Epstein, 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:05.959 and the best way to understand it is in this 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:10.920 fascinating retort. So Donald Trump drops that explosive truth social 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.360 post telling anybody on his that supposedly is in MAGA 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.760 that believes the Jeffrey Epstein hoax, I don't want your 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.680 support anymore. You're just doing the bidding of the Democrats. Well, 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:27.440 the sort of the the unofficial pope of the pedophile 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:35.680 conspiracies is now Michael Flynn, the disgraced former general retired 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:40.360 general that was the National Security Advisor for about I believe, 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.320 I believe for about two Scaramucies, right. I think it 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:47.280 was twenty two days he survived. Scaramuccie is eleven days. 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.200 If I'm not mistaken. I hope I have that right. 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:52.120 Anthony will let me know if I've gotten that wrong. 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:58.320 So I think Flynn was two Scaramucies in office there, 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.480 and he went real deep into QAnon, to the point 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:08.600 where it's almost like he decided whether if no one 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.800 knows who Q is, I'll let people think it is me. 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:16.200 So anyway, you have to understand this. So he writes 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:22.160 this very long post on X and he's directed at 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:23.800 Donald Trump. Let me read a portion of it. He 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.560 says to Donald Trump, I hesitated to write this, however, 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.480 with the utmost respect and deference to you for all 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.160 you've withstood. If you know it better than me, what 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.040 the deep state can do when they want to turn 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:38.040 on a person. The Epstein affair is not about who 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:42.240 killed him or if he committed suicide. Personally, I'm glad 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:46.880 this known pedophile is debt, but neither is this a hoax. 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.000 This issue goes beyond that. Michael Flynn writes, there are 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.520 millions of Americans who overwhelmingly voted for you to be 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.480 our president, and we want you to be massively successful, 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:58.520 no more than me personally. I still have a target 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:02.560 on my forehead. Our country is facing a level of 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.280 internal subversion, and it is a relentless attack on the 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.320 very foundation for constitutional republic. So he is knee deep 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:11.920 in this belief that there are these hidden forces coming 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.920 after him. All right, He's really and the question is, 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:16.760 does he really believe it, or is this just a 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.040 giant grift because it bailed him out of financial trouble. 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:25.920 I certainly assume it's a financial grift. But we'll see, 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.080 he continues. I'm not going to read the whole thing, 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:29.920 but he continues here at the end, because this is 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.280 part's important, he says. An element that is of great 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.880 importance surrounding this Epstein affairs the fact that this man 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.200 was a known pedophile, had a list of clients who 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.640 represented the upper crust of society and likely did untowards 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.280 things to children on his island, in his homes in 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.040 New York City and New Mexico and maybe elsewhere, and 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:49.280 he was convicted of it. I want to single out 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.240 the word pedophilia here a minute, so as you know, 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:56.760 the entire QAnon bizarreness is sort of the importance of 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:00.920 believing your political opponents or pedophiles is important in the 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:05.040 whole dehumanization process. Right. This is I think at the 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:09.240 heart of this of this unfortunate climate that we're all 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.720 living in right now. And it's it's harsher, of course 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.000 online than it is in real life, but it's had 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.000 some real life consequences, right that this gentleman that really 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.800 thought there was some sort of you know, kids being 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.240 held captive in the basement of a pizza shop in Washington, 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.880 d C. He shows up and there is no basement, 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:30.359 nothing is there, And he was about to possibly kill 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.240 a whole bunch of innocent patrons and the owner of 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:37.919 of of a pizza shop in Washington, d C. But 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:42.119 Jeffrey Epstein doing what he did, he's sort of like 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:46.159 the Kevin six degrees of Kevin Bacon game for these 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.000 for this, for this crazy conspiracy theory, once you have 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:55.760 bought in that the Left is not just against you culturally, 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.760 but is against you because they're a cabal of pedophiles. 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:03.240 And again, this is this is what this crowd is believing. 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.920 This is where Marjorie Taylor Green gets her gets her 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.160 energy from. This is Michael Flynn, this is this, This 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:11.879 is this world. This is how Dan Bongino made a 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:18.919 fortune uh uh conning these people with his media. And 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:20.600 all of a sudden, if Donald Trump is saying that 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:24.840 Jeffrey Epstein story is a hoax, it shatters the entire 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:27.800 conspiracy that was built up. It's sort of like it's 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:31.040 like it's it's an extraordinary It's like knocking down a 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.960 foundation pillar. Right if you have a house on stilts, 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.240 and if you get the right one, you know, or 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.000 if you're in Jenga, it's like if you pull the 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:42.399 wrong leg, everything collapses. And if if Jeffrey Epstein is 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:44.800 not proven to have been the sort of the chief 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:51.400 recruiter of victor of young kids to feed this pediph 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:58.320 this manufactured pedophilia, uh uh ring that that this conspiracy 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:03.639 supposedly has cocked it and supposedly exists. You need the 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.399 Jeffrey Epstein story right because Jeffrey Epstein put a face 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:10.920 to it. Jeffrey Epstein may actually be a pedophile. Jeffrey 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:15.040 Epstein knew all these famous people right now? Does that 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:16.879 mean just because he knew these famous people, does that 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:20.280 mean all of them are now this well? To Michael Flynn, 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.239 it is right now, Whether again I go back, I 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:26.840 don't know whether Michael Flynn really believes this now or 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:31.480 whether this has just been so financially lucrative for him 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:35.360 to be the face of this of this crowd that 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:38.119 he has as the high unofficial high priest of the 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:42.359 QAnon crowd and believers of this conspiracy, he had to 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:48.400 push back or his financial empire would crump. So this 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:50.000 is the part where you send up. You end up 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:55.760 finding out does Donald Trump fully understand his base? Right? 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:59.440 There's sort of and there's always been two distinct bases 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:06.960 with tru. There's the actual working class space, the ones 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:11.959 that demographically are non the non college educated crowd, the 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:16.560 people that you know, the different people that shower at night, 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.720 shower after work versus showering before work. Right, that's sort 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:21.960 of like do you shower, do you shower when you 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:23.639 come home for work, or do you shower before you 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:25.720 go to work? Right? That that sort of blue collar, 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:31.479 white collar mindset. And then there's the crazy conspiracy theorists. 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.760 And Donald Trump fed those conspiracy theorists. Right, he has 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:39.359 built his entire political profile on a conspiracy theory. It 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:41.919 began with burtherism. Right. How did he how did he 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:47.040 convince the anti Obama right, the ones that were the 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:51.760 most vocal who decided not to oppose Obama on policy 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:55.359 but simply oppose him whether on otherism, right, the fact 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:59.480 is he a real American? And questioning whether he was 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:04.000 an American? Trump, of course rode that wave of conspiracy theory, 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:06.880 and so one of his habits is this comes back 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:08.840 to what he did with David Duke. Right, Why couldn't 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:12.360 he immediately denounce David Duke because David Duke sent something 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:15.520 nice about him? Why couldn't he immediately denounce Vladimir Putin 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:17.800 because Putin said something nice about him? So he is 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:22.320 sort of catered, right. He appeases this crowd of conspiracy theorists, 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:27.280 and he'll feed him every once in a while. Right, 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:30.080 He'll feed the velociraptor every once in a while, And 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:33.200 suddenly the velociraptor has a taste for this and has 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:36.280 a taste for this. And of course they've kept feeding 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:40.760 and feeding and feeding until they caught the car. They 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:45.000 run the government, the head some of the lead characters 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:49.040 pushing the conspiracy theory are actually in now the deep 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:55.040 state themselves, Dan Bongino and Cash Patel and Pam Bondi 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:58.639 got into it as she's been trying to debushify herself 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:03.520 and retrumpify her self, if you will. And here they are. 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:08.000 And so whatever the truth is, and I you know, 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.360 I'm still one of those who believes that what they 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:13.879 have they don't if they had evidence that somebody else 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:19.679 committed a crime on Jeffrey Epstein's island, they would have 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:23.560 brought the charges. Okay, this idea that charges wouldn't have 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:26.919 been brought, I just you know, I under I understand. 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:28.840 You know, nobody wants to get in the way of 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:31.320 a good conspiracy theory. The conspiracy theories are always more 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:37.160 interesting than the truth. But when you've spent twelve years 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:42.040 torching institutions, torching those who were trying to speak the truth, 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:46.879 and then you're in charge of set organization and then 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:48.879 you're like, you can't believe they don't believe you, and 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:53.399 it's like, well, you know, you reap whatt yourself. So 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:59.040 but I do think to truly understand why Trump did. 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:04.159 I don't think full appreciates how important Jeffrey Epstein is 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:07.520 as a connective tissue to this weird Like I said, 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:11.920 one of the dehumanization tactics of the right has been 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:16.600 to manufacture this pedophilia business. And so it is it 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:21.440 is that is the long tail of crazy here that 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:26.640 has brought Epstein into this sort of swirl, if you will, 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:29.680 And why it is so important for this crowd that 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:32.480 you know, the proof of Epstein's guilt Seeing this is 0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:37.840 sort of it will become. It is this idea that hey, 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:41.240 we're not crazy. See we're right, We're right, We're right. 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:43.760