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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Blazar and Lazar.

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Speaker 2: Everybody nailed it joined us always buy our bar gap.

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Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. You're not usually

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Speaker 2: into the numbers.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm okay we do something. I'm into the

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Speaker 1: tangible numbers. There's there's just give me the advantage. And

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Speaker 1: in fact, you haven't know how to work it. I'm surprised, Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, an old man over here. I thought maybe

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Speaker 2: How am I old man? You're an old man because

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Speaker 2: you you don't like the stats, even though you're this generation.

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Speaker 2: You're supposed to like stats. You're supposed to be. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: I don't know you want me to tell you. You're

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Speaker 2: supposed to be mister. You know you're like E P A,

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Speaker 2: d v O A next gen. You know you're supposed

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Speaker 2: to eat that stuff up like that's that's literally why

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Speaker 2: they put that stuff on the broadcast now for people

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Speaker 2: like us, the nerds.

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Speaker 1: But don't plant me in with that.

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Speaker 2: This is when they do that, you know the replay.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather see the color guy explain x's and ohs,

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Speaker 1: Why the play that happened happened?

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Speaker 2: This is my Roman empire is thinking about the fact

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Speaker 2: that you are just as much of a nerd as me,

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Speaker 2: but you're also anti nerd at the same time. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't compute in my head.

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Speaker 1: And you know how I feel about you hating country

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Speaker 1: music and liking Morgan Wallen.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna end it there with the computer. Wait,

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Speaker 2: what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: What do you do about to plug my computer before

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Speaker 1: the show?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Geez, is that like a thing that you have

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Speaker 2: to do right this? Yeah, it's almost dead. Okay, all right,

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Speaker 2: do you do your You do your thing? Uh So

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Speaker 2: Evan Lazar Alex Bars Patriots Cast twenty two with you

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Speaker 2: for the next couple of hours, will take your phone

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Speaker 2: calls or take your emails. I just want to put

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Speaker 2: this out there, and I know you told me not

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Speaker 2: to do this, but I'm gonna do it anyway because

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Speaker 2: I feel bad. I'm going to put it out there

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Speaker 2: that you know we I almost treat this show almost

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Speaker 2: like a pot podcast. For the first like forty minutes

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Speaker 2: is pot where you and I are going to just

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Speaker 2: then we'll open the phone lines in the email. So

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Speaker 2: I don't want you people to think that I'm like

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Speaker 2: neglecting you on hold, Like we see your phones. We're

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Speaker 2: we have a lot to talk about. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: to talk about with this team right now. With that

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Speaker 2: m dot com. All right, So here's where I want

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Speaker 2: to start today. Because last week I did forty minutes

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Speaker 2: off the top of the show complaining about the offense

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Speaker 2: I railed on Alex Van Pelt. I railed on Jacoby Brissett.

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Speaker 2: I railed a little bit on the offensive line, and

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Speaker 2: I've just decided, now after this forty nine Ers game

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Speaker 2: that the Patriots offense until Drake May gets in there,

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Speaker 2: this is probably how it's going to look. Last week,

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Speaker 2: I complained, and I said, you got to get the

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Speaker 2: running these bootleg and seven step drops from under center

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Speaker 2: They kind of listened. Alex Van Pelt kind of listened.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen dropbacks in under two and a half seconds, got

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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to excuse anybody. I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I think it will get better than that.

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Speaker 1: You also have to consider what the offensive line was,

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Speaker 1: and that certainly led to some limitations. Right, you have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really tough. So the offensive line would be better.

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Speaker 2: Under Jakobe Brssett.

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Speaker 1: But I still think, and I know we disagree on this,

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Speaker 1: regardless of who the quarterback is, especially right now, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm in agreement with you on the

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Speaker 2: you know, you lose David Andrews, you have no idea

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Speaker 2: and week out. It's just gotten ugly up there. Even

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Speaker 2: almost like a trade. Jacobs's fault that he can't block

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Speaker 2: But remember last week talk.

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Speaker 1: This was kind of my whole tape when we had

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Speaker 2: Yeah, was they are who they are. Yeah, I what

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Speaker 2: but because the forty nine ers are just a much

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Speaker 2: the ball out of Jacoby Brissett's hands. If first third

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Speaker 2: the catch. Like that is what I wanted them to do.

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Speaker 2: Two weeks ago against the jets that they didn't do.

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Speaker 2: And now I've seen them do that and it's like, okay,

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Speaker 2: well they can't run the offense that Van Pelta actually

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Speaker 2: what am I gonna yell at about? Like I could

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Speaker 2: do another hour on Drake may should be playing, but

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Speaker 2: that doesn't serve a purpose because he's not. He's not

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Speaker 2: talk about the defense. Yep. Defensively, I'm my concern level

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Speaker 2: So now at this point I just said, I can't

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Speaker 2: just still didn't go well. Defensively, they are playing below

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Speaker 2: their talent level. Would you agree with that? Yes? And no,

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Speaker 2: I think they're playing I mean what talent level?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: So I had people kind of on Twitter during after

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Speaker 1: You lose those guys, you don't just get to be

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Speaker 1: they're playing below the level of talent of the guys

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Speaker 1: they've available, But I do think that lost talent. And look,

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Speaker 1: they decided to trade Matthew Judon, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I don't really they had to have

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Speaker 2: had to plan probably Kean right, Joshua and Fredy general

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Speaker 1: We kind of said that at this at the time,

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Speaker 1: that like, how is this going to work?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: There are still guys like josh Ucha who I think

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Speaker 1: are are not playing well right now, hurting them. But

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Speaker 1: I also do think you have to look at it

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Speaker 1: as this is not the defense we spent the summer

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Speaker 1: talking about. It is not the same play. You could

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Speaker 1: argue they've lost three are the best four three and

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Speaker 1: you want to throw Kyle Dugger in there as well.

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Speaker 1: For their best six defensive players. Right, they still have Gonzales,

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Speaker 1: they still have White. But if you were, if we

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Speaker 1: defensive players, it would be in some order chewed on

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Speaker 1: bar More, Bentley, Dugger, Peppers all fight, and you'd throw

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Speaker 1: in White and Gonzalez.

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Speaker 4: Rr.

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Speaker 1: But we didn't know because those guys have only played

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Speaker 1: one year. Those five were really supposed to be the

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Speaker 1: cornerstones of your defense. Four of them are now hurt

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Speaker 1: and one they traded away. Yeah, so this is and

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Speaker 1: we knew depth was an issue. We talked about depth

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Speaker 1: an issue at corner. We talked a lot about depth

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Speaker 1: being an issue on the edge. This is just sort

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Speaker 1: of where they put themselves.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just gonna slightly disagree because the main reason

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Speaker 1: But I think part of it for the fans watching, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Part of the equation. It should not be this bad up.

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Speaker 2: But there are guys.

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Speaker 1: Well, Tava is an interesting one because to me, the

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Speaker 2: Well, let's get to it. But I want to unpack it.

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Speaker 1: No, not, you're made up. What do you means not

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Speaker 1: your made up acronyms. Give me a real number. Well,

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Speaker 1: give me a real number of out the defense.

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Speaker 2: Okay, want a real number? Yes, how about yards per play?

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Speaker 1: That's a real number.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they are twenty seventh in the league and yards

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Speaker 2: that's not good. Guess what they were last year and

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Speaker 2: probably middle of the pack. Third, Oh wow, top five,

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Speaker 2: top five. I'm gonna give you the fake number again

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Speaker 2: because you're a hater.

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Speaker 1: One fake number, one real number, will do it like this.

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Speaker 2: Nine. They were ninth in DVOA last year. This was

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Speaker 2: with Matthew Judah and Christian Gonzales basically playing for a

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Speaker 2: DeVito's and Gardner Minshew's and they'll get one of those

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Speaker 2: look better. But the point being is that they were

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Speaker 2: ninth and DVOA last year they are twenty eighth and

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Speaker 2: twenty seventh, respectfully in those stats this year. I'll give

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Speaker 2: you one last one. This is a tangible one for you.

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Speaker 2: This is a real stat third down defense.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's tangible.

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Speaker 2: The Patriots are thirty first in the league on third

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Speaker 2: didn't disagree with your take. I just didn't want you

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Speaker 2: on defense on third down defense last year they were seventh.

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Speaker 2: So they haven't just Christian Barmoard and Juwan Bentley regressed here.

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Speaker 2: And let's also not forget that with Barmore and without

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Speaker 2: to throw dude on there. They also got back Christian Gonzales, right,

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Speaker 2: they also got back certain guys. You know, Keon White

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, you know how I could scoring?

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Speaker 1: What's on the scoreboard? What are we talking about there? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So they actually haven't dropped that much.

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Speaker 2: In terms of over their scoring. Seventeenth.

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Speaker 1: They're seventeenth. They finished last year fifteenth. But part of

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Speaker 1: that is because I was actually looking. You just made

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Speaker 1: me think this because looking at something similar earlier. They're

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Speaker 2: Wait, give me again, give it to me again.

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Speaker 1: Points per dry, points allowed per drive. Oh so this

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Speaker 1: is basically they're probably down. You have points allowed, but

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Speaker 1: so yeah, so this is similar. So last year they

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Speaker 1: they ranked twenty second two point one to one yards

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand that there's always that element with this

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Speaker 2: the last two games. There are a time of possession

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Speaker 1: To your point, they were on the field a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So my big picture thought, and then I wanted

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Speaker 2: You're a former linebacker turned defensive assistant coach turn head coach,

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Speaker 2: like this is supposed to be you are supposed to

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Speaker 2: But I put more on girod for the defense for

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Speaker 2: This is screaming for Girod to come into a coaches

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Speaker 2: the main reason is the edge. We know that they're

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Speaker 2: letting the quarterbacks out of the pocket, the quarterbacks either

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Speaker 2: open down the field. But we'll talk about this more

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Speaker 2: we doing on third down that we can do differently

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Speaker 2: that can be better, because we need to throw out

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Speaker 2: what we're doing now, like dead, second to last in

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Speaker 2: the league is not where the New England Patriots should

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Speaker 2: be on defense. It just isn't. So we need to

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Speaker 2: throw that out and we need to start over there. Well,

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Speaker 2: we get into the player meetings, the squad meetings, setting

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Speaker 2: the edge of the defense has to be non negotiable.

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Speaker 2: You either set the edge or you're on the bench.

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Speaker 2: I don't care if you're Keon White. I don't care

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Speaker 2: if you're Joshua Uce, Anthony Jennings. I don't care if

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Speaker 2: Non negotiable. I'd say the same thing on the other

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Speaker 2: non negotiable, right like, this is not going to go

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Speaker 2: fly here and first drive of the game against San Francisco,

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Speaker 2: it was later on on in the game. But opening

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Speaker 2: right now the coaching staff is allowing this kind of

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Speaker 2: we have to change up what we're doing on third down.

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Speaker 2: It's clearly not working what they're trying to do on

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Speaker 2: I feel like this whole team is screaming for the

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Speaker 2: these things. And it's not let's make a list of

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Speaker 2: make a list of five things. Let's make a list

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Speaker 1: Was it sounds like what they did last week with

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Speaker 2: There's you're not going to fix everything that ails you

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Speaker 2: It's not gonna look like that. So let's narrow it

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Speaker 2: up all these points, You don't give up all these yards,

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Speaker 2: right because you're not extending drives. Now, I want to

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Speaker 2: on in nickel, so they adjusted to base. That was

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Speaker 1: What do you have to say about Rock Party?

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Speaker 2: Evan, good game by Brock, good game by Kyle. But

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Speaker 2: this ye have to say about Rock Party, This stuff,

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Speaker 2: this stuff isn't complicated. Though they they hit four explosives

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Speaker 2: didn't do it. This was not even in Kyle's bag,

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Speaker 2: Like he wasn't even in the deep part of the

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Speaker 2: to dust off those plays, like the plays that he

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Speaker 2: was just this was day one install type stuff for

435
00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,760
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers that they were straight the Patriots with.

436
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:06,640
Speaker 2: When it comes to coaching there, first of all, there's

437
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,640
Speaker 2: no reason why Jelanni Teva should be the Tampa two

438
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,160
Speaker 2: linebacker and base defense and covering Brandon Ayuk and Juwan

439
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,199
Speaker 2: Jennings twenty five yards down the field. That is not

440
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,479
Speaker 2: on Jolannie Devai. That's not his game. That's not what

441
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,120
Speaker 2: he's here for. That's not what he's built for. That's

442
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 2: a coaching issue. You can't allow Jilannievie to be in

443
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 2: that position where he's covering those guys, and it's.

444
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,239
Speaker 1: Not just that, it's not just like, that's not what

445
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 1: am I trying to say? Like, remember the first year here,

446
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 1: he was like bad and we were all like, why

447
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,159
Speaker 1: is Johnny Tevai here? And then Bill came out in

448
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 1: the summer and was like He's gonna make the team.

449
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:41,159
Speaker 2: We were like what.

450
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,160
Speaker 1: And then his first year here he was playing this role,

451
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,920
Speaker 1: he was playing off the ball. So they have seen

452
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 1: him in this role in this defense and it not work. Yeah,

453
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 1: So it's not even like all right, well our depths then,

454
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 1: so we gotta try this. You know, he's not the

455
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 1: guy for that, because they they tried that when did

456
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:58,199
Speaker 1: you get here?

457
00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 2: Twenty two?

458
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 1: I think right twenty one around there? They try that

459
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:02,120
Speaker 1: with him and it didn't work.

460
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they have him playing in a bad position

461
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 2: for him. You know that's not going to work. Him

462
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 2: playing that far down the field and having to cover

463
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 2: receivers and you know athletic receivers, good receivers, you know,

464
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 2: I you Brandon Deebo, Samuel Dwan Jennings like really good players. Right,

465
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 2: you can't have a two hundred and fifty pound linebacker

466
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 2: doing that sort of stuff that to me is coaching.

467
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 2: And what it goes back to is I thought about

468
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 2: this after I watched this game and I saw the

469
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 2: splits of Bass Nickel and like all this stuff that's

470
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:37,479
Speaker 2: going on from the personnel standpoint, and I know it's unfair,

471
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 2: but we all are doing it. I'm sure what would

472
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 2: Bill have done? What would Bill have done in this spot?

473
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 2: And my reaction to what Bill would have done in

474
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 2: this spot was he would have said, if you want

475
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 2: to run the ball forty times and average six yards

476
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 2: of carry against our nickel defense and shorten the game

477
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 2: for us and give us a chance to stay in

478
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 2: this thing because it's thirteen ten in the fourth quarter,

479
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 2: because we both ran the ball forty times, have at

480
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 2: it be my guest he would not have pulled the

481
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 2: plug on Nickel as quickly as this regime did. Right

482
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 2: like he would have held his water. And maybe if

483
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 2: they got into halftime and they were twenty to nothing

484
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 2: and halftime and it was a real real issue, like

485
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 2: they were averaging. You know, they had one hundred and

486
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 2: fifty rushing yards at halftime and they just couldn't even

487
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 2: come close to stopping the run game. Then maybe there

488
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 2: would have been a big adjustment.

489
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 1: Well what do you think he would have done, like

490
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: factoring and they couldn't set the edge, not just containing

491
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: the quarterback in the pocket, they couldn't set the edge

492
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: in the run game.

493
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

494
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,479
Speaker 1: So I just think it's hard to play that way

495
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: if you can't set the edge in the run game, right.

496
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: I think from a personnel standpoint, he would have told

497
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 2: them to keep running the ball, you know, not literally,

498
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 2: but you know what I'm saying, Like he would have said,

499
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: it's fine, just run the ball. We're what we're not

500
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 2: gonna do is we're not gonna allow the explosive pass

501
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 2: plays through the air. We're not gonna allow you to

502
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 2: hit the pat You're gonna be able to run the

503
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,719
Speaker 2: ball today, but you're not gonna be able to And

504
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 2: this game would happen was is they let the Niners

505
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 2: do both. The Nyers could do whatever they wanted. They

506
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 2: could pass it, they could throw it, they could run it,

507
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: they could do whatever they want. Bill would have shut

508
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 2: off one of those faucets, right, Like, you can have

509
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 2: one way, but you can't have it the other. And

510
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: most of the time towards the end. I would say,

511
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was like in the beginning,

512
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 2: but most of the time he would give up the run.

513
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: He would say, just run the ball. Run the ball

514
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: forty times. We'll run it forty times, it'll be seventeen

515
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 2: to thirteen, and we'll see where the cards lie at

516
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: the end of the game. Like that, That's how I

517
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: feel like it would have gone with Bill. The other

518
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: thing that just came to me that I felt was

519
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 2: kind of annoying to an extent, or just not annoying.

520
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 2: Annoying is the wrong word. I just thought was interesting

521
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 2: was on Saturday, I was at the Giants game and

522
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: they sign Isaiah Bolden to the fifty three man roster,

523
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking to myself, Huh, this might be creative,

524
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 2: this might be different. Maybe they're thinking of playing Isaiah

525
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: Bolden in the nickel instead of Marcus Jones because they

526
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 2: know that Kyle Shanahan is gonna put the nickel in

527
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 2: the run fit, like they know they're gonna run it

528
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: at the edge and they're gonna run it at one

529
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty pounds of Marcus Jones, who on the

530
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: very first play of the game on the eight yard

531
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: carry I mentioned earlier, gets turned outside of his gap

532
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: by Juwan Jennings and just has like no chance. Like

533
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 2: it's a six three, two hundred and fifteen pound guy

534
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: against a five foot eight hundred and eighty pound guy.

535
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,959
Speaker 2: Do you do the math, like who's gonna win that battle?

536
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: So I thought, Okay, maybe they're gonna give Isaiah Bolden

537
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 2: a chance to play the nickel. That way, there you

538
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 2: have a more athletic guy that can drop in coverage

539
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 2: and do those types of things. But he's bigger, and

540
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 2: he's longer, and he's heavier than Marcus Jones, and that

541
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: might allow him to hold up in the run game

542
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 2: against Nickel. Didn't play, didn't play till the very end

543
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 2: of the game when it was garbage time. Three safety Nickel.

544
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: I get they lost Dugger at halftime, but it could

545
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: have been Pettis Hawkins as your deep safety. Is Jabriel

546
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: Peppers as as your nickel, right, it could have been

547
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 2: Hawkins as the nickel Peppers deep. Like Hawkins and Peppers

548
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 2: are gonna play significant snaps for this team. They are

549
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: de facto starters, both of them. So it's not like

550
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: I'm putting in Peppers a captain, I know, but I'm

551
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: just talking about Hawkins. You know, I'm not putting in

552
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 2: a guy we just signed from the practice squad yesterday.

553
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: I'm putting in a guy that's playing for us in real,

554
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: real significant time. So there was no adjustment like that,

555
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,959
Speaker 2: There was no creativity like that. Their adjustment was to

556
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: go base. They they got into base, they began stopping

557
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 2: the run and base, but then they gave up the

558
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 2: pass plays and it just felt to me like they

559
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: had coaching wise, they just really did not have an

560
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: answer for any of it, which is demoralizing. I just

561
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: I don't know where they go on that side of

562
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: the ball right now, because they are underperforming by my expectations,

563
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: and I haven't seen this coaching staff the chops yet

564
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 2: to adjust on the fly and make a good adjustment.

565
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm with you, And I also just

566
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: think sometimes what you have to do when all right,

567
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: the game plan's not working, You gotta tell your blue

568
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,239
Speaker 1: chip players go out there and make a play. Who

569
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: are they telling to do that at this point? Like

570
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: teams aren't throwing your Christianzalz. You can't really do that

571
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: with a corner, right You had in these situations. Matthew

572
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: Judon go out there and make a play. Christian Barmer

573
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: will go out there and make a play. The closes

574
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: they have is Keon White, who's getting a ton of attention. Now,

575
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: you don't really have another guy it's supposed to be

576
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: josh U Chip. You don't really have another guy you

577
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: can turn to for that.

578
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I would like to see this staff.

579
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: They've been pretty vanilla on the defensive side of the

580
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: ball so far. Maybe some of that is is injuries,

581
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, but really, three weeks in a row,

582
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: Ryan Grubb, Nate Hackett, who's not a good offensive coordinator

583
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: with the Jets, and obviously now Kyle Shanahan have had

584
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 2: their way with this defense in this coaching staff. On

585
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: the they've got out coached in three straight games on

586
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball. This is what happens

587
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 2: when you come out Week one against the Bengals, you

588
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 2: put some new stuff on film. These coaches are too smart.

589
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: They're gonna watch your film and they're gonna say, oh, like,

590
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: you know, they were doing this last year. It's similar,

591
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: but it's different in you know this way, that way

592
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: and this way and we're gonna adjust to it, and

593
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: we're gonna have their play calls ready. We're gonna have

594
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: our shot plays ready for when they play this coverage

595
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: or that coverage and they adjust. It's now it's time

596
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 2: for Covington and Mayo and Pellegrino and Brian Belichick and

597
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 2: all these guys to get back together and figure out

598
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 2: a way to adjust to the adjustments. And right now

599
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: they just haven't been quick enough to that punch. We'll

600
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: see what they do on Sunday. Yeah, third down the

601
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 2: biggest thing to me on third down. Right now, they're

602
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: thirty first in the league. I don't know if you

603
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: heard that.

604
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: You didn't mention that.

605
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: I said that seven times because it's can't believe it.

606
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: Thirty first in the league on third down, and I

607
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 2: should mention this too. Their base defense against San Francisco

608
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: was fifty eight percent. That was the highest base defense

609
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: rate they've played in the game in the Next Gen

610
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: era going back six seasons. That's the highest amount of

611
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: base they've ever played in the game since twenty eighteen.

612
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: Their other Next Gen Era stat that, I'll give you

613
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 2: man coverage on third down. They're playing the lowest amount

614
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: of man coverage they've played in six years on there.

615
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: That one I don't get, especially against the team league.

616
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: We talked about this with the Jets. These bigger receivers

617
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: you don't especially not to play as at Bolden. You

618
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 1: don't have the personnel to you know, kind of physically

619
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: handle bigger receivers in the middle of the field.

620
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to win technically, right. So they aren't

621
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: playing as much third down anymore. They're playing a lot

622
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: of too high safety shell. They're playing a lot of

623
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: Cover two on third down. When you play Cover two,

624
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: especially two man, which they've played a couple reps in

625
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: of two man against San Francisco. The big ish with

626
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: playing Cover two is that there's nobody that's assigned to

627
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: the quarterback. The quarterback, there's no free defender in the

628
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: box or at the first let's call it the first

629
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: two levels of the defense. There's no free defender to

630
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: mirror the quarterback in the pocket, So as soon as

631
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: the quarterback gets outside the pocket, he just has free

632
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: rain out there to do whatever he wants. So they're

633
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: playing a lot of Cover two with a four man rush.

634
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: So when you play Cover two four man rush, you

635
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: have those two high safeties up top. What they used

636
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: to do is they'd play man with a post safety

637
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: in the middle of the field. And now that other

638
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: safety is he's in the rat or like a robber roll,

639
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: or he's a spy on the quarterback in the low hole.

640
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: Now they don't have that player anymore at the first

641
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: two levels. So when they run their games and their

642
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: stunts and there's some pressures and all this kind of stuff,

643
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: there's no second layer to the pass rush. It's either

644
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: we're getting home or he's getting out, and there's no

645
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: in between. It's boom or bust. There's no in between.

646
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: Right now, it's been a lot of bust. They've been

647
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: getting pressure, but not the good kind of pressure. It's different.

648
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: What they're doing schematically is a little bit different than

649
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: what they used to do in the past. I am

650
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: screaming for them to go back to the five man

651
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: rush package. We last couple of years it's been Mack

652
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: Wilson in that role, kind of spying the quarterback, marrying

653
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: the quarterback that way. There you can run your stunts,

654
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: you can run your games, you can run your pressures,

655
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: you can run all that kind of stuff. And Keon

656
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: White and Joshua Ucha and all these other guys. They

657
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: can pin their ears back and try to get after

658
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: the quarterback because they know that Sioni Taki Taki is

659
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: going to get the quarterback on the ground when he scrambles.

660
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: Mac Wilson in the past is going to get the

661
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: quarterback on the ground when he scrambles. Or they have

662
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: a robber like Kyle Dugger is playing robber in the

663
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: middle of the field, so if the quarterback takes off

664
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: to try to run for the first down, they have

665
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: somebody that can run and catch up to him and

666
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: get him down short of the line to gain I

667
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: don't really like what they're doing on third down. The

668
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: way that I view what they're doing on third down

669
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: is that it's very much like Flores Minnesota Vikings type stuff.

670
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: I know the Baltimore stuff has been thrown out there.

671
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: I don't see it that way on film. I see

672
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: a lot more Flores is running a lot of fire zone,

673
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: like five six man fire zones where they show cover zero,

674
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: but instead of playing man to man, they play zone

675
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: out of cover zero. What the Patriots are doing is

676
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: pure cover two most of the time, and there's just

677
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: these quarterbacks just have all day. It's not because they

678
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: aren't getting pressured. It's because they're getting out of the

679
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: pocket when they get pressured. So that has to be somewhere.

680
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's still in the playbook that the five

681
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: man rush package. If it's not, it's buried in some

682
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: desks somewhere in this office. Like, go find it, go

683
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: dust it off, put it back in the playbook. Because

684
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: you have guys that can cover in man to man.

685
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: You have Christian Gonzalez who can take a Brandon Aiyuk

686
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 2: one on one. You have Jonathan Jones, you can take

687
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: a Tyreek Killer, a Jalen Waddle. Go back to playing

688
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: more Manton man on third down, get that fit defender

689
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: in the rush, get off the field. If they don't

690
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: do that on Sunday, I'm gonna be really disappointed. Like,

691
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: this is not a simple this is not a hard fix.

692
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: This is a simple fix, and they've struggled with this.

693
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: I hope people understand the two high one high explanation.

694
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: I tried my best, but that that's what I am

695
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: seeing the most on third down right now is they

696
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: don't have anybody accounting for the quarterback and they are

697
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: playing these zones. And then also, you know when they

698
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: quarterback rolls out, you also have to remember that if

699
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: let's say Christian Zalez has the flat. If Christian Zalez

700
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: has the flat, and now he runs up to get

701
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: the quarterback, the receiver he was supposed to be covering

702
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: behind them, his ride open. And that's what Aaron Rodgers

703
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: did for four quarters against the Jets. He would get

704
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: the defense to come to him and then he'd find

705
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: the tight ends right when those zone defenders, those short

706
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: zone defenders came up, he'd find the tight ends right behind.

707
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: The strew just essentially becomes an option play.

708
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's not working on third down schematically.

709
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: I don't think that it's because they don't have pass rushers.

710
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: I don't think that it's because they aren't getting pressure

711
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: on the quarterback. They are just not marrying it all

712
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: together very well. Right now, Keon White's getting pressure on

713
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: the quarterback. Yeah, he might be a one man reckon crew,

714
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: but he's getting there, right, He's getting there. They have

715
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: to find ways to keep the quarterback in the pocket.

716
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: Those are my gripes on the defense. I think there's

717
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: a lot to chew with that. I really feel like

718
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: a lot of these things that I am talking about

719
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: are coaching Like, this is not they don't have the players.

720
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: This is coaching issues. These are things that the coaches

721
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: can fix, and I'm disappointed that they changed the defense

722
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: as much as they did. Like, you had a top

723
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: ten defense last year with a lot of the same

724
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: people personnel wise, why did you come into this and

725
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: throw out all the Belichick stuff and start a new.

726
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole draw of drawd Mayo and being able

727
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: to keep to Marcius Covington. We talked a lot about

728
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: this when we were doing the coaching stuff back in

729
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: the winter. Was you want to be able to keep

730
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: continuity on defense because you're building something on defense, and

731
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: they haven't done that to this point. Now maybe they're

732
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: calling it simpler because of the injuries, but again, a

733
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 1: lot of these guys are here. You shouldn't need to

734
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: simplify it for the backups because the backups have been

735
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: in the system, most of them anyway, So.

736
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: It's definitely frustrating to see.

737
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: I do think there is a level of them just

738
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: playing on discipline, though, and that goes back to your

739
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: point of either you're coaching it or you're allowing it

740
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: to happen at a certain point, there isn't a difference.

741
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: But like, I know, there's supposed to be more aggressive

742
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: in the rush, but I think there's a line between

743
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: aggressive and reckless. And at a certain point you watch

744
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: guys just flying by the quarterback coming up the field,

745
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: and it's like, what exactly. I know you're trying to

746
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: be aggressive, but what exactly does that accomplish.

747
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's some stuff going on with how those

748
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: edge guys are being coached. Yeah, this year compared to

749
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: how they have been coached in years past. We know

750
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: because we've been here. And it's also I feel like

751
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: our listeners know that with Bill running past the quarterback

752
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: in the pocket would find you some pine time immediately,

753
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: Like if you didn't stay it was you know, level

754
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: or you know, at the same level as the quarterback

755
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: or better up the field, you know, closer to the

756
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. You were not gonna play in Bill

757
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: Belichick's defense, right, whether you were didn't matter who you were,

758
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: you weren't gonna play. The only guy that I saw

759
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: that Bill allowed to have free reign was Judon. Yeah,

760
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 2: that's the only guy I've seen in our time covering

761
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: the team that truly got Carte Blanche to do whatever

762
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: he wanted.

763
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: It's just two guys. It's at least it's called going

764
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: back ten years. It's Jude On and it's Chandler Drones. Yeah,

765
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: and they end up trading Chandler Jones instead of signing him.

766
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: So clearly that came to it with an extent, you know,

767
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: But both of those guys could make it work because

768
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: they were so immensely talented. Nobody on this roster's that

769
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: town right.

770
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: And whenever Judon would run the arc and get back

771
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: past the quarterback, there was always somebody there to make

772
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: them right. Right, There's always somebody there to replace him

773
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: on the sea gap and get into his gap. Whether

774
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: it was by design or it was just instinct or whatever,

775
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: those guys were making him whole by allowing him to

776
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: do that. And right now, Keon White, I'm with Keon

777
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: White on this a little bit because I sort of

778
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: feel like if they don't allow Keon White to do

779
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: what he's doing, they're not gonna have a pass rush.

780
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: So I would allow Keon White to do Keon White like,

781
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: if you want to go inside, then go inside. I

782
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: would put the onus on the other guys that are

783
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 2: in the pass rush to make him right, like replace

784
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: the sea gap. You know, if he's gonna run inside,

785
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: and he's gonna say, but this is to Keon White,

786
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 2: like you have to tell your guys what you're gonna do. Yeah,

787
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 2: you know if you're gonna say, hey, I've been setting

788
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: up this inside move. You know I'm gonna I'm gonna

789
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: run it right now. Third down. We got to get

790
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: off the field. I'm going inside. Then Dietrich Wise or

791
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: Daniel Qualley or Jeremiah Arms or whoever else is out

792
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: there on the field with him needs to say, Okay,

793
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 2: I got you right, Like you go inside. I got

794
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: it right. And that's how they you know, they've done

795
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 2: it in the past. That disconnect is there right now

796
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: where Devon Goaja says that people are being selfish. I've

797
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: heard the word freelancing, you know, on their own program.

798
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: I don't think it's necessarily that it's purposeful, like they're

799
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: trying to not play within the defense. I just don't

800
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: think the communication or like the execution as a whole

801
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: is going very well right now. So O Jays screaming

802
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 2: up the field and there's nobody that is a second

803
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: layer for him when he does that. So is that

804
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 2: Ooja's fault or that guy's fault, Like, it's everybody's fault.

805
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: Everybody's wrong, right, So that's something that they need to

806
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: clean up. Let's talk about the quarterbacks real quick. We'll

807
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: do three up, three down, We'll get to the phones.

808
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: Where do you stand right now with Jacoby Brissett. You

809
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: know my opinion, but where where do you stand?

810
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: I mean just kind of so you know, I was

811
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: a little more defensive of him the last few weeks

812
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: in terms of people saying he's holding the ball, like, uh,

813
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: it's not holding as long as you think the line

814
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: hasn't been great whatever, don't get me wrong, Like the

815
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: line was bad in this game too, But I thought

816
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: this was his worst game of the year. I think

817
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: he's starting to get sped up.

818
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's, I.

819
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: Mean, his internal clocks off. The thing I notice is

820
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: it almost seems like he's bracing for contact when contact's

821
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: not there, right, he's anticipating hits. It's less that he's

822
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: seeing ghosts in the coverage. I almost feel like he's

823
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: seeing ghosts in the pass rush. Yeah, where he just

824
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: like assumes he's about to get hit if he's had

825
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: the ball for like two secs. I think that's leading

826
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: to some of his accuracy issues because he's throwing as

827
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: if he's throwing through contact when there's no contact. And

828
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you know where I've been on jacobd Verssett.

829
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 1: I think, at the end of the day, nitpicking Jacoby

830
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: Versset's performance, we.

831
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: Can do it.

832
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: I don't know how relevant it is, just because he's

833
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: thirty one years old. We know who he is at

834
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: this point. His growth, his development really isn't of consequence

835
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: to this team right now. It's all about Drake may

836
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: having said I thought it was his worst game of

837
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: the year, and I think you are starting to see.

838
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: I know Alex van Pelt said today that he doesn't

839
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: think that Brissett's field vision or timing is thrown off

840
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: because the line I think it is. Van Pelt's not

841
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: gonna say that he's not gonna throw the guy or

842
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: the line under the bus. But the fact that a

843
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: seasoned veteran like Jacoby Brissett has been sped up and

844
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: is seeing ghosts in just four games, especially four games,

845
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: are not throwing the ball a toime to.

846
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: Me is all the more reason.

847
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: I know people are gonna hate it, but it's all

848
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: the more reason you'd be patient with Drake May because

849
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: that is the one advantage Jacoby Brissett definitively has over

850
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: Drake May. He knows how to handle this. He's been

851
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: in the spot before, he's been on bad teams, he's

852
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: been on losing teams.

853
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: He's been on teams where.

854
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: He gets hit a lot, and he's in the NFL.

855
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: And yeah, I was about to say no Carolina, Okay,

856
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: but we're talking about you know, two hundred and forty A.

857
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: You see edge rushers, not Nick Bosa or Bradley Chubb

858
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: coming off the edge for Miami. Right So that doesn't

859
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: mean Drake can't handle it. I just don't want to

860
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: risk finding out whether he can or can't right now

861
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 1: because Jacoby, again, Jacobra sets the guy like, this guy

862
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: can handle himself when it's all breaking apart around him. Now,

863
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: there's a talent level to which he you know, capped

864
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: to which with he can do that. But if a

865
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: guy like Jacobra sets sped up, that's not a good

866
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: sign because the one thing he is going for him

867
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: is that's not usually the kind of guy that gets

868
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: sped up.

869
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: So the one, the one play where I started to

870
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 2: get concerned about his mental wear and tear being sped up.

871
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 2: It's third down and he just ran straight into the pocket. Yeah,

872
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: like straight up.

873
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: Into the posts, just like early in the second half.

874
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: I want to say that that sounds right, I think,

875
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: I think I know a player talking about.

876
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 2: So it's a it's a mesh concept. So there's the

877
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: crossing routs over the middle of the field, and then

878
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 2: usually with that they pair like a sit right and

879
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: right over the ball that Hunter Henry runs Hunter it's

880
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: manton man coverage. The forty nine ers don't cover Hunter Henry,

881
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 2: so they blow. They blow the assignment and they don't.

882
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 2: No one's covering Hunter Henry in the middle of the field,

883
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: And all Jacobe Brissett's got to do is let the

884
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 2: crossers clear, just let the picture clear, and just stand

885
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: in the middle of the pocket and deliver a ball

886
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: to Hunter Henry, who there's a post safety in the

887
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: up top, so like maybe he makes the tackle, but

888
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: if he doesn't make the tackle, then he's running for

889
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 2: a while, right, Yeah, So all he's got to do

890
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: is just let the trash clear from in front of

891
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 2: him and just let the seize part and then throw

892
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: the ball right through the middle of the field to

893
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry and he runs almost full speed right through

894
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: the middle of the line and right into a sack,

895
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: like literally right into pressure. And at that point I

896
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: was like, you know, like that, that looks like a quarterback,

897
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: you know, Nick Bosa. He was coming around the edge

898
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: a little bit, but like on and when it was okay,

899
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: like it wasn't terrible.

900
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: But Brissette's expecting He's not expecting to have that one right.

901
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 2: Like I could see how Brissette would sense that Nick

902
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: Bosa was starting to turn the corner. But it was

903
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: one of those plays where two steps up in the

904
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: pocket would have sufficed, and instead he took five steps

905
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: up in the pocket. And those types of plays usually

906
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: happen when a quarterback is sped up or seeing ghosts

907
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 2: or feeling pressure that isn't there now. On the same breath,

908
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: I say all that, and because you know me, I

909
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: have to call for Drake May at some point of

910
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: the show, I say that, and I see mistakes like

911
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 2: that or just habits like that. Let's call him habits

912
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: habits like that with Jacoby Brissett. I see him missing reads,

913
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: I see him missing throws, and I just think to myself,

914
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: a lot of these things are the flaws that I'm

915
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: told Drake May has, like pocket you know, presence and

916
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 2: mobility in the pocket and not you know, drifting into

917
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: pressure and all that kind of stuff. I would just

918
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 2: if perset's gonna make all these mistakes. And then we

919
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 2: talked about this with the Jets week about the mental

920
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: mistakes pre snap. If he's not going to dominate from

921
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: like the details perspective, then I'm running out of reasons

922
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 2: other than your thing of like, don't subject Drake May

923
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: to this kind of pressure. Yeah, I'm running out of

924
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: reasons to say that he is the better choice for

925
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: them at quarterback right now because he's not seeing the field.

926
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: He's not the better choice. He's not like if you're

927
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: actually trying to go out and go one to oh

928
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: on the Sunday, he's not the better choice.

929
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not.

930
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody's disputed that. But if you

931
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: want to make sure that Drake May gets off to

932
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 1: the start you want him to get off to, yeah,

933
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: then it's got to be Jacoby Ver said at this

934
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: point because Drake May is not going to have a

935
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: successful start with the way this line works. I know

936
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: people are so sick of hearing that, but I'm gonna

937
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: keep saying it because it's true. This is not your

938
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: average Let's go to the pressure numbers here.

939
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: Well, while you're looking those up, I'll just yea, in

940
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: my opinion, the areas where I think that Drake May

941
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: makes them better, he makes them a lot more viable

942
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: on third down to me, because he can improvise and

943
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: he can run. So we saw this even against the Jets,

944
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: where he you know, he picks up that fourth down

945
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 2: with his legs. Yep. Jacoba Brissette doesn't bring that element

946
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 2: to the table. So if there's nobody open in the

947
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: initial progression and he's looking around and there's nobody open,

948
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: Jacoba Brissette is sitting duck back there, there's nothing he

949
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: can do. Drake May can get out of the pocket,

950
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: he can run, he can pick up the first down

951
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: with his legs. He can improvise on the move and

952
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: run and make throws on the move.

953
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: But I don't want him doing that consistently because then

954
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: that becomes a habit and he never learns Okay, so

955
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: right way to play quarterbacks. So, by the way, yeah,

956
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: so according to Next Gen stats, yes, Jacoby Brissett has

957
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: been pressured on forty nine point six percent of his dropbacks.

958
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I have a rebuttal to this, but keep going.

959
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: Not only set the highest number in the league, it

960
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: is the highest number in the next gen era. No

961
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: quarterback has been pressured that much, at least since twenty eighteen.

962
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: Your rebuttal is going to be pressures are caused by

963
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: Jacoby were set holding the ball, according to PFF. Now

964
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 1: PFF charts pressures a little differently, so there is maybe

965
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: something lost in translation.

966
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: Now you're crossing swords.

967
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 1: But Jacoby Weresset among all qualified quarterbacks the fourth fewest

968
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: percentage of pressures accounted for seven point five percent. The

969
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: only guys who are are have a lower percentage of

970
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: pressures on their own responsibility or Geno Smith, Matthew Stafford

971
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: and Kirk Cousins.

972
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: So this last game against the forty nine ers was

973
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: the first time where I thought that he was causing

974
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: his own pressure.

975
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: And I'm with you on that, but I think that

976
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: some of that, Yeah, I thought he was much worse

977
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 1: in that regard, I think I can find that number.

978
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: So he based off of my charting because I actually

979
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: charted this myself. I had three sacks on Jacoby. Okay,

980
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 2: this game, so he sacked six times. I had three

981
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: of them on Jacoby. I had two other pressures on Jacoby,

982
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: so we had five of like the sixteen pressure dropbacks

983
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: were on Brazil.

984
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: So I'm with you on that. But I think the

985
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: reason that so, why wasn't it like that until now?

986
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: The overall heat he faced through the first three weeks

987
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: has led to him just completely losing sense of the

988
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,959
Speaker 1: pocket and it's gone from bad to worse.

989
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: This is a snowball effect.

990
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: So I think if you put Drake May in a

991
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: guy who's less experienced, you're probably gonna say, see the

992
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: same thing happen, and it'll probably happen quicker.

993
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 2: Okay, So I hear you?

994
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: Is it so?

995
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: Sorry?

996
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: Again? The point I wanted to make though when I

997
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: brought that up, yeah again, forty nine point six percent,

998
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: fifty percent. This is not and I know I said

999
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: this last week, but I feel like I have to

1000
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: keep repeating myself. This is not always going to have

1001
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: to learn how to face pressure in the NFL someday.

1002
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: This is not your basic NFL pressure that he's facing.

1003
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: This is a historic, historic rate. We are in David

1004
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: Carr Josh Rosen territory here. This is not normal. This

1005
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: is not something he should have to learn how to handle,

1006
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 1: because this should not be the situation for him beyond

1007
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: this year.

1008
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: If it is.

1009
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: The problem is with the front office more than anything else,

1010
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: because you simply need better players. This doesn't need to

1011
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: be happening. Yes, offensive line plays bad around the league

1012
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: of every everybody's dealing with the same talent pool. Everybody's

1013
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: dealing with the same talent pool, and the Patriots are

1014
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: still making less of it than everybody else.

1015
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: So this is not deal with pressure. This is another level. Okay,

1016
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: I hear you. But because I can't get off this

1017
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: because it drives me nuts to watch back quarterback play.

1018
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: It drives me nuts. You know that, and I know

1019
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: it does, and I can't stand it any longer because

1020
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: I'll give you a couple of tangible examples, and I

1021
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 2: know we don't have the film, so I'm like explaining things.

1022
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 2: But there's a third down play where he has Kishan

1023
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: Boody wide open on an in cut it's that they

1024
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 2: run it all the time. I'm it's like a little

1025
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: spot underneath and then the incut bends around the spot

1026
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: and you just kind of throw it off of you know,

1027
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 2: the coverage, right, you read out the coverage and you

1028
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: throw it and he's he's staring right at it, like

1029
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 2: you can see his headgear and it's he's he's staring

1030
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: right at it, and he just holds the ball. He

1031
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 2: just doesn't pull the trigger. And that happened. You know,

1032
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 2: I mentioned the Hunter Henry play. I meant, you know,

1033
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: a couple of the quick game concepts.

1034
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 6: You know.

1035
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 2: I actually asked him about it in the locker room

1036
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: and he gave me an hod Its answer. But you know,

1037
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: it's each play is individualized. Like sometimes they're he's saying,

1038
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes they're coverage base, Like if it's one high,

1039
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to read left. If it's too high, I'm

1040
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 2: going to read right. Sometimes it's just progression reads right.

1041
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: But point being, it's every single play is different of

1042
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 2: how where he's supposed to open and where his eyes are.

1043
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: It feels to me like his eyes are not always

1044
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: in the right places, especially in this last game against

1045
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, so well, some of that is

1046
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: and we've talked about this.

1047
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: I wonder how much of that's on Van Pelt and

1048
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: what is How are they setting the order of the

1049
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: progressions and could that be changed?

1050
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: Because I think it should be changed. I both agree

1051
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 2: on that.

1052
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: But my bigger picture point is I don't doubt Drake

1053
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: May can make that throw. Now when he's getting hit

1054
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: every other drop back and he's taking some of these

1055
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: big shots to Kobe Is and his bell gets run

1056
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: and his ribs start hurting, and now he you know,

1057
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: three seconds becomes two and a half in his head

1058
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: and things like that. Is he still going to make

1059
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: those those throws?

1060
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 2: Then?

1061
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: I get you don't like watching subpar quarterback play. If

1062
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: you put Drake May in for a game or two,

1063
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: it may elevate. But if he's still facing this level

1064
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: of pressure and he's still taking these kind of hits,

1065
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: is it Are you consistent that he can keep that

1066
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: level or is he going to fall into some of

1067
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: the same stuff Jacobe Is. I just think that's not

1068
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: worth the risk. If your only reason that you want

1069
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: Drake May to play right now is shiny toy, right,

1070
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 1: I am a Patriots fan. I want to watch this guy,

1071
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: because I've heard him talked about. If that is your

1072
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: only reason, it's frankly not a good enough reason, because

1073
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: if it's not handled correctly, he's he's going to turn

1074
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: into exactly what you.

1075
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 2: Don't want to see.

1076
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: And congratulations, I hope you had fun with your two

1077
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: or three games before.

1078
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: He got sped up.

1079
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 1: That's not and I know I sound alarmist, and I'm

1080
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: not saying it has to be perfect. I'm also not

1081
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: one of these people as saying, wait three years and

1082
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: well a guy draft a loft tackle this year, then

1083
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: a right tackle next year, then a wide receiver, then

1084
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: a center, and maybe in twenty twenty eight. No, I'm

1085
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: just saying get to the base level. I'm just saying,

1086
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: get to below average, below average, put him in. They

1087
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: are so far from below average right now. When it

1088
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: comes to protecting the quarterback that I think it's an

1089
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: I think it's a non starter. I think it has

1090
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: to be a non starter because yes, you may get

1091
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: that bumping quarterback play for one or two games US

1092
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: where girodmeo use. It's not sustainable, it's not good. Remember

1093
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: when we walked away from that first game and I

1094
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: came in here and I said the line play was

1095
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: really bad and it was still better than we thought,

1096
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: and he was like, wow, they played poorly, but he won.

1097
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: That's part of what wasn't sustainable.

1098
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: You can't let your quarterback get hit like that week

1099
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: after week after week, no matter who he is. Even

1100
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: Brady would get affected by this stuff from time to time.

1101
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: Now he could bounce back. He was also in the

1102
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: league for twenty years and never faced anything like this,

1103
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 1: so he had a little more tools at his disposal

1104
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: and never had to dig himself quite out of this

1105
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 1: kind of hole. But I just think that it's it's

1106
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: not again, you're so far beyond what he's gonna have

1107
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: to deal with. Even if you want the shiny new toy,

1108
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: shine's gonna wear off real quick. I think if you

1109
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: put him in this situation.

1110
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so I have one more rebuttal for you. Yeah,

1111
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 2: because you know that we're we're not gonna move from

1112
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 2: our points on this. But I still think it's where talking.

1113
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: Well, I guess sorry, let me just say one more thing.

1114
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 1: These people are probably hearing this saying, well, he shouldn't

1115
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,919
Speaker 1: play this season. I still think there's so I think

1116
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: there's value in playing this season. I think ideally he

1117
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 1: should for three reasons.

1118
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: One his development. Two.

1119
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: I guess it's kind of two way to be the

1120
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: developmental players around him, guys like Jalen Polk, guys like

1121
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas.

1122
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 2: And also for the front office.

1123
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: You get to see what he looks like in the

1124
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: context of your off offense and you, I mean, you

1125
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: get an idea of who he is in college. Now

1126
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: you get a better idea, and it's all right, maybe

1127
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: we need to focus more on this than we thought her.

1128
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: Maybe we don't don't need this kind of player as

1129
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: much as we thought, or things like that. In three,

1130
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: you'll put him out there to get some plays on

1131
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: tapes as a sailing point to free agents. Look at

1132
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 1: what this kid can do. We're trying to build around him.

1133
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: But if he's facing this much pressure, can you actually

1134
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: accomplish any of those things even if he is on

1135
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: the field.

1136
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess this is just where we and I

1137
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: agree with all the point.

1138
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: If you just get to a point where he can

1139
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: where you can accomplish some of those things, even if

1140
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: it's not pretty, then I'm okay putting him in. If

1141
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: you can allow if you can get to a point

1142
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: where you can start building chemistry with Jalen Polk, where

1143
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 1: he can start, you know, really seeing an NFL defense.

1144
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: And I don't mean see a second of it and

1145
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: then have to run for his life. I actually mean

1146
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: get three seconds in the pocket to see it and

1147
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: digest it.

1148
00:52:58,239 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 2: Yea.

1149
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: If you if you can get to the point where

1150
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: he and throw the ball down the field and put

1151
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: some things on tape that wide receivers might like to see,

1152
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: that's when you put him in the game. I'm just

1153
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: starting to wonder if they're gonna get to that point

1154
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: this year.

1155
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So I agree with a lot of things that

1156
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 2: you said, and you know that I am definitely hard.

1157
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: I was gonna say something I don't want to say.

1158
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: I'm definitely in the school thought that the development of

1159
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: the pieces around him isn't just as important. I said

1160
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 2: this all last week, right the development of the pieces

1161
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 2: around him is just as important and right now. And

1162
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 2: I want to get to that in a second. But

1163
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 2: the point of the pressure to me and I understand.

1164
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 2: I agree that it's not going to be good, but.

1165
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: I agree with that it's never gonna be good this year.

1166
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 2: I really strongly believe in pressure being as much of

1167
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 2: a quarterback status in an offensive line stat in a

1168
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 2: lot of ways. And I really strongly believe that he

1169
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: won't be pressured as much as Jacob Eber said because

1170
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: of what he's going to bring to the table. Does

1171
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 2: that mean that he's gonna be pressured at a at

1172
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 2: a league average rate at a below app I don't

1173
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: know the exact number. Yeah, I just don't think it's

1174
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 2: going to be forty nine percent. I think it's gonna

1175
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 2: probably be closer to forty percent. How confident are you

1176
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: that it's gonna drop enough? Because this is where I

1177
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: go back to that other take.

1178
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: You can't put him out there thinking it's gonna be better,

1179
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: realize it's not better, and then bench them.

1180
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: You can't do that, so I hear you. I I

1181
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 2: don't know if you can't do that. Though you can't. No,

1182
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: you can't. We just let me let me finish. I

1183
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 2: don't know if you can't do that. If you that's

1184
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 2: the plan, like if you telled him, and this is

1185
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: I'll give you a perfect example. Because of Sunday, I

1186
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 2: personally feel like it's ludicrous. He is not playing this

1187
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: game on Sunday. Okay, it's a home game against Tyler

1188
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: Huntley and a Miami Dolphins team that is quite literally

1189
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 2: like revolting against their head coach at this point and

1190
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 2: against their team. They No. Two was not coming back

1191
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 2: anytime soon. They had playoff and maybe even contender aspirations

1192
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: this season that they're all watching go by the wayside

1193
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: because their quarterback got another concussion. Tyreek Hill, who I

1194
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: know is a hothead to begin with, but did you

1195
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,439
Speaker 2: see what he was doing on Monday night on the sideline. Yeah,

1196
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: he's going up and down the.

1197
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: Sideline screaming Mike McDonnel at Mike McDaniel, be a better coach.

1198
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 2: And all this stuff is happening in Miami right now.

1199
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 2: If you went to Drake May and I know this

1200
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: is some people are gonna hear this and say, oh,

1201
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: it's that's really disrespectful of the Dolphins. Yeah, I don't

1202
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: really give a crap. If you go to Drake May

1203
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 2: and you say, this is a nice game for you

1204
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: to play in, So we're gonna play you. We're gonna

1205
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: start you on Sunday. If it's your thing, and it's

1206
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: a disaster with the protection and everything like that, we

1207
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 2: might go back to Jacoby after this, but we still

1208
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: want to see what it looks like with you in there.

1209
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: You have If you're gonna do that, you gotta come

1210
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: with stones, because one, you risk ticking off Drake may

1211
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: and does he look at it and say no once

1212
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: I'm the starter on the starter, but you risk off off,

1213
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: you risk ticking off Jacoby. Maybe Jacoby says, because he

1214
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: he gave that quote the other day that he thinks

1215
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: it's disrespectful when people say he's just here to take hits.

1216
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: That is literally the definition of Jaco telling Jacoby you

1217
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: are here to be a crash test dummy. Does he

1218
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: gonna you know what, fine, if you don't want me here,

1219
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: trade me if you don't want to go sit down

1220
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: with Joe Milton him where I would not be surprised

1221
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: if you were upset by something like that. And then

1222
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: you have us. You are you are really unleashing the dogs.

1223
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: You are opening a Pandora's box with the media. Why

1224
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: do you bench Drake? Did you not think he was good?

1225
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 2: Do you regret the pick? I don't think you start

1226
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 2: answering that. I don't think it's a great idea either.

1227
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 2: I'm just sicking idea. I don't think it's a terrible

1228
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 2: it's a terrible idea.

1229
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: I disagree you, But I would you bet your job

1230
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 1: on that working, because that's what you're doing.

1231
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 2: This spot is too good to pass up. Like they're

1232
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 2: literally playing a team that might actually be work. You're

1233
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 2: favored for the first time.

1234
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: So what if you win ten to six and Drake

1235
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: May gets his ass kicked? You have to evaluate that

1236
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,959
Speaker 1: and you have to be you're gonna win with Drake May.

1237
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: I don't realize the kids in danger and go back

1238
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: to Jacoba said you have to consider that option.

1239
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 2: We're gonna you do that.

1240
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna disagree that wild take. That is a care

1241
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: wild take. You could you're asking for Could it work

1242
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: so here?

1243
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: Yes?

1244
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: But I think you're asking for a lot of trouble.

1245
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: Here's my problem, Max, and I don't want to be

1246
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: alarmist or like hyper hyper what's the word. I don't

1247
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: want to speak, Yeah, hyperbolic? Thank you? I don't, but

1248
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: I was in that locker room after the game on Sunday.

1249
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 2: The defense is mad at the defense, the offense is

1250
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: mad at the offense. You have young receivers who are

1251
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: literally throwing tantrums on film and Pop Douglas and Jalen Polk,

1252
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 2: And good on Pop Douglas for owning that this week

1253
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 2: and walk it, you know, kind of saying that he's

1254
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 2: got to be better and all that kind of stuff.

1255
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: But I said this before and I'll say it again.

1256
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 2: You're at the point now, with fifty two other guys

1257
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 2: in that locker room that I'll watch these two quarterbacks

1258
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: practice every single day that all know that they drafted

1259
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 2: Drake may third overall. And at what point in time

1260
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 2: does some of these guys say to themselves, why am

1261
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: I going out there and getting my butt kicked every

1262
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 2: single Sunday? And Drake can't? Like, why am I going

1263
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: out there with a quarterback who can't get me the

1264
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 2: football when we have the Ferrari back in the garage

1265
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 2: that can get me the football. But I'm supposed to,

1266
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 2: I'm Jalen Polk. I'm supposed to go run every single

1267
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 2: route as hard as I can, and I'm supposed to,

1268
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: you know, put lay it all out on there for

1269
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: the team. What team? Remember the Titans. I thought of

1270
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: this the other day, right, like what team? What team?

1271
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: Then you have to make the switch, That's what I'm

1272
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: worried about more than and I think, but then you

1273
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: have to make the switch that you don't get to see.

1274
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 2: Okay, don't get bogged down by that. In my opinion

1275
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: about Sunday, I just think it's crazy that he's not

1276
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 2: playing on Sunday. That's it. I'm just saying to you

1277
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: that right now you have players who are visibly inaudibly

1278
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 2: frustrated with what's going on with this team and what's

1279
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 2: going on with this offense and this lack of passing offense.

1280
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: And you can say that, who's Jalen Polk and who's

1281
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: to Mario Douglass to act this way? But the film's

1282
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 2: the film. When guys are getting open on the film,

1283
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: they're not getting the football, they're going to start to

1284
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: get annoyed, point blank like that's just the facts. And

1285
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 2: right now they're sitting the best quarterback that they have

1286
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 2: on the roster, and I worry that they're going to

1287
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,959
Speaker 2: start to really resent the coaching staff in the front

1288
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 2: office for making this decision. And some guys like I

1289
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: think Hunter Henry is a real stand up veteran guy,

1290
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 2: David Andrews, even though he's not going to be playing

1291
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 2: the same thing. Those guys will understand the bigger picture

1292
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 2: and they'll be able to put their own feelings to

1293
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: the side. Some of these younger players, some of these

1294
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 2: other veterans, I can't. I don't know if I can

1295
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 2: say the same. For it is Devon Godshaw gonna gonna

1296
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 2: keep sounding off on radio about his teammates being selfish

1297
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 2: and all this kind of stuff. If they keep losing

1298
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 2: like this and they'd.

1299
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: Rather Godshaw sound off, then guys be selfish. They are,

1300
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: but not so we said this a lot like if

1301
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: the locker room, the locker room's gonna dictate in large

1302
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: part when you make the change. We talked about that

1303
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: and it happened with macken Zappi, and that's true. Is

1304
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: changing the quarterback going to do that? If I mean

1305
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: we're talking about what maybe two or three plays a

1306
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: game that it's would you have Jacobe down for his

1307
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: pressures six three sacks, five pressures, so I'm talking about

1308
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: five plays a game. Are they frustrated with the quarterback

1309
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: situation or are they frustrated like changing the quarterback doesn't

1310
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: do anything for the defense.

1311
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: I mean, as it does because they're gonna score more points.

1312
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: But if guys are still freelancing. Guys are still I

1313
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna see guys that well Drake Mayson

1314
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: out there, so I can't freelan.

1315
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't think but I think that the defense.

1316
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 2: For three years, the defense has been the only thing that.

1317
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,919
Speaker 1: Are they going to be able to score that many

1318
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: more points to be that much more effective with the line.

1319
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,439
Speaker 1: I just think the line sets too much of a cap.

1320
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: And again I'm not saying don't put Drake May in,

1321
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: but Drake May is not a be all, end all

1322
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: fixed for everything that ails them.

1323
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 2: It's not. But I think that Drake May makes it

1324
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 2: a lot better. I don't know about a lot a

1325
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 2: lot better. And if I'm gonna sit there on Sunday

1326
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 2: and watch Jacob said throw pick sixes, anyways, i'd rather

1327
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,919
Speaker 2: watch Drake May throw pick sixes. And I'm not talking

1328
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 2: about to watch it, but I wouldn't.

1329
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: But but I almost wouldn't because.

1330
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 2: But all you all you people that want to sit

1331
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 2: him forever. Yeah, all all you people think that, like

1332
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 2: it's just that him sitting is gonna mean when he

1333
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 2: comes in eventually that he's going to be this perfect

1334
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 2: quarterback at that point, like he's still gonna have to

1335
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 2: learn on the fly. Then did Jordan Love just come

1336
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 2: in more support around you think as he learned? You think?

1337
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: I think so did George. Well, we talked about this

1338
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: when we were talking about the packaway in the offseason.

1339
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 2: Jordan Love didn't take off until the second half of

1340
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 2: last year. His first half of last year, he had.

1341
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: Issues, but he had more support around him. If the

1342
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: rest of the roster wasn't as good, do those issues

1343
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: maybe get exacerbated and pile up and turn into bad

1344
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: habits and turn into things you can't Okay.

1345
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: So when can we We'll sit him till twenty twenty?

1346
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 2: All right? How about this? All right? We can make

1347
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 2: sure that a guy perfect situation before we put him

1348
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 2: in there.

1349
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: Can we have a guy in an offense that is

1350
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: predicated and involves the center doing a lot of the

1351
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: pre snap work. Can we have a guy who is

1352
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: not starting his first ever game in the NFL at

1353
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: center that Drake May makes his first start. I don't

1354
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: think that's an unfair ass Can we have a guy

1355
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: at left tackle who was with the team in camp? Okay,

1356
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: if you if you do feel like very baseline ass Okay,

1357
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: but if you do these things, yeah, and you continue

1358
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: to play like this and they're one in six, they're

1359
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: one and seven, they're one in eight, and they keep

1360
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: on losing, not just losing, but getting blown out of

1361
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: these games, not competitive football games. I just don't know

1362
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: how you keep going back into that form and having

1363
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: all these guys shouldn't look at you and say to

1364
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: the young receivers, you say to the defense, you say

1365
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: to even the veteran guys like even Hunter Henry and

1366
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: Austin Hooper and Ramandre Stevenson and Antonio Gibson who signed

1367
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: a contract here to come here as a free agent.

1368
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: We're not gonna play the best guy. We're not gonna

1369
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep losing. We're gonna keep getting our butts kicked.

1370
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep losing by multiple touchdowns. We're not gonna

1371
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: be competitive, and we're gonna keep doing this because we can't.

1372
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: We have to protect Drake. Look, you're the one of

1373
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: the offseason that was lauding the pack away and and

1374
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: you know patience, And when.

1375
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: Did I lad that I've been wanting to Drake mad

1376
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 2: to start since I was.

1377
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: Before they had Drake may I was the one saying,

1378
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: can they at least sign a couple guys in frequency

1379
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: so they have a base level. Look, I'm coming back

1380
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: to you on this. I said last week. When you

1381
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: have an offensive line of Venerian Lowe City so David Andrews,

1382
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: Mike and Wnhu, Kaden Wallace, that's when.

1383
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 2: Because that's your best five.

1384
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: Two of those guys are out long term. Now at

1385
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 1: this point, since I said that, I'm willing to go

1386
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: to Vederian Lowe, Michael Jordan, Nick Leverett.

1387
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't even know.

1388
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: Just get can we start the same line for two

1389
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,439
Speaker 1: weeks in a row before Drake May takes over.

1390
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 2: That's I imagine then to go out there in the

1391
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 2: first game that you're covered at home, or that you're

1392
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 2: favored at home against a third string quarterback, and we're

1393
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 2: gonna we're not gonna take this opportunity to play Tyler Huntley.

1394
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 2: Drake May is not facing Tyler. Understand the point. The

1395
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 2: point is is that they should be able to win

1396
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 2: this football game, right.

1397
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: But I think the opponent is irrelevant and I would

1398
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: rather Drake May. I think it's better for them that

1399
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: Drake May looks good in a loss than plays Portland

1400
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: get the crap beat out of him and a win.

1401
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: I just we're never gonna agree on this, So I'm

1402
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 2: just gonna move on because I just, I, for the

1403
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 2: life of me, I understand that you're not one of

1404
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 2: these people that wants to sit him forever. I get that.

1405
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: I literally keep lowering the standards, but it's just has

1406
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: to be some standard, No.

1407
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 2: I hear you. I just I really start to get

1408
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 2: I was already concerned about it last week. Yeah, and

1409
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 2: just for the I'm not doing a victory lap. I

1410
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 2: already saw some of the stuff that what Jacob were

1411
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 2: said on film against the Jets, and I came in

1412
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 2: here and I said against the Jets that he's stunk.

1413
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 2: And then last week and now all of a sudden

1414
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 2: he plays bad against the forty nine ers, and I'll

1415
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 2: thank you. Welcome to the party. He's been here for

1416
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 2: three weeks.

1417
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: And I don't disagree with you. I just and I've

1418
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: said this since April. Jacoby Brissette's level of play should

1419
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: be independent from Drake May's.

1420
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 2: T Tell that to Jalen Pulkin Pop Douglas.

1421
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: If you're a good coach, you figure out a way

1422
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: to sell it this old player's coach, right, you gotta find.

1423
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 2: Way what happens. In my opinion, Uh, it's very easy

1424
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 2: for Elliott Wolf to look at it this way. Yeah,

1425
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,919
Speaker 2: and he's probably right like you guys are probably right

1426
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 2: to be patient, and Elliot Wolf is probably looking at

1427
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 2: it this way. It's very different on the head coach

1428
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 2: level down because those are the guys that are in

1429
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: the trenches day in and day out of the season

1430
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 2: and they have to tell these guys, hey, we're gonna

1431
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 2: get on a fight to London in a couple of

1432
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 2: weeks to play the Jaguars. We're one in seven. We

1433
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 2: have our best, you know, not our best quarterback is

1434
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 2: going to play in this game where we might lose

1435
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 2: to a stinky Jaguars team, and then we're gonna come back.

1436
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: This is why I if I was Elliot Wolf, I

1437
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: would have done more in the offseason.

1438
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 2: Two. It's very easy to prepare for this from the

1439
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 2: perch in the GM chair to look down and say packerway,

1440
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 2: be patient. You know he's not ready, YadA, YadA, YadA.

1441
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 2: When the team and the fifty three guys on the

1442
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 2: in the locker room are getting there. But but again.

1443
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: This is where I go back to. I would have

1444
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: signed an actual left tackle. I would have added more

1445
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: depth on the offense. We can't fair enough, but you

1446
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: know what we need. I guess my point is, sorry,

1447
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: this is the bed you made, you lay in it.

1448
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: Your plan was to be patient, and this was the

1449
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: offense you brought to a plan to be patient, you

1450
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: don't get to you don't get to change course. Now

1451
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: stick to your plan.

1452
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 2: Do you know what we need?

1453
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 3: Light?

1454
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 2: We need a bud Light because it's easy to drink,

1455
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 2: it's easy to enjoy. Bud Light, the official beer sponsor

1456
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 2: of the New England Patriots. Let's take some of these

1457
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 2: phone calls and then we'll get back to three up,

1458
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 2: three down, because we just went on for longer than plans.

1459
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: So your quote got picked up on Twitter. By the way,

1460
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:24,919
Speaker 1: good about the locker room?

1461
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 2: Oh not great? Okay, I'll deal with you know, I'll

1462
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 2: deal with that later. Dylan is in Florida. What's up, Dylan? Dylan? Sorry,

1463
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 2: I left John hold for a while. Call back in,

1464
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 2: Dylan and we'll get you on. I'm assuming Patty is

1465
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 2: still here. What's up, Patty? I know Patty's still here.

1466
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 2: Do we speak to Patty. Patty, oh morel that one hurts.

1467
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 2: That one hurts, all right, He'll probably call back in

1468
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 2: Let's try one last time, Sean and Vancouver. What's up, Sean.

1469
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: Otob you?

1470
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 3: Oh goodness, thank you.

1471
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 6: Hey, Evan.

1472
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I missed you in San Francisco. Buto, what

1473
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 3: a beautiful weekend despite the loss. Next time, maybe in Miami.

1474
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 3: I'll be down for that game at the end next month,

1475
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 3: so I hope to see you then go onto a

1476
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 3: business in hand. It's been four months. This is the

1477
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 3: game that I circled for Drake made to start. So Evan,

1478
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 3: I'm right with you, very disappointed that's not going to happen.

1479
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 3: I was predicting a win. I was just like the

1480
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 3: most confident I've been in a long time that the

1481
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 3: Patriots will win a game. Now, I like someone could

1482
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 3: someone ask the coach, like in a press conference, is

1483
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 3: Drake may not ready? Is that because that's the only

1484
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 3: reason I can see him not playing that they think

1485
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 3: he's not ready and I'm not there.

1486
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 4: I don't know, but otherwise.

1487
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 3: He really should be in there for defense. You know,

1488
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 3: they actually had discipline in that Cincinnati game. In the

1489
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 3: first game they had the discipline, and I know they're

1490
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 3: missing Bentley and that's a big part of it. And

1491
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 3: Dougar was gone, so I don't know who's going to

1492
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 3: have the green dot. But they can have the discipline again.

1493
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 3: They can do it, they can fix it. It's the

1494
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 3: Patriots way, you know, do your job. I don't think

1495
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 3: it's selfish to say that you're trying to do someone

1496
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 3: else's job. Like like if you look at a specific

1497
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 3: play where Peppers leaves Kittleton because he sees d book

1498
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 3: is uncovered and he's trying to fix that. It's not

1499
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 3: that he's like, oh, I want to take the glory.

1500
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 3: He's like, oh shit, looks what's happening.

1501
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 2: Sorry, but Evan does it all the time.

1502
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 6: It happens.

1503
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you just got to just focus on do

1504
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 3: your job and just trust that the other players would

1505
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 3: do their job. And that's the Patriot's way, and that's

1506
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 3: what they have to do moving forward. All right, I'll

1507
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 3: let you guys talk about that.

1508
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 2: Thanks. Thanks Sean. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Like

1509
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 2: this defense has has lost the do your job mentality.

1510
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 2: Now part of me wants to come to the defense

1511
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 2: of some of the guys that are playing out on

1512
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 2: the edge from some of the conversations I've had this

1513
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 2: week with them, because I do think there is an

1514
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 2: element that they're being coached a little bit differently, Like

1515
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 2: I think they're being asked to do things a little

1516
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 2: bit differently than they would in the past now.

1517
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: Clearly because they've been doing this and they're still on

1518
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: the field. So the coaches don't have a problem no.

1519
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 2: Other no coaches ever telling the somebody to rush and

1520
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 2: let the quarterback out of the pocket. Like that's not

1521
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 2: in a playbook anywhere in football, from high school to

1522
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 2: college to the NFL. No, no scheme is designed to

1523
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 2: invite the quarterback to get out of the pocket, right

1524
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,759
Speaker 2: That's not how it works. But at the same time,

1525
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 2: they are, i think, are trying to be more aggressive.

1526
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 2: They're trying to get up the field more and make

1527
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 2: more splash plays in the backfield. They're trying to pressure

1528
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 2: the quarterback a little bit more and not prioritize, contain

1529
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. Mush rush, you know,

1530
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 2: like that Bill used to prioritize, and right now it's

1531
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 2: just that's backfiring a little bit, and it's maybe it's

1532
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 2: just some growing paints like maybe in by week twelve,

1533
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 2: we're not talking about this and it's a lot better,

1534
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,040
Speaker 2: you know. I don't know. I would allow for that

1535
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 2: as well, so maybe that's a possibility to all right,

1536
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 2: Patty is back. I knew he would be. What's up, Patty, guys? Hey?

1537
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 6: Sorry, I was working, well, I am working, and I

1538
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 6: hit the and button on my phone on accident. So good,

1539
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 6: nothing you guys did, all right, So, Alex, I'm one

1540
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 6: Patriots fan that I just want to see the kids

1541
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 6: play because I look at my eyeball tests and looking

1542
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 6: at the numbers, they're averaging under one hundred and thirteen

1543
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 6: yards pass in per game. Yeah, and I mean, you're

1544
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 6: not gonna win. And something tells me that may might

1545
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 6: be able to get out of pressure a lot better

1546
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 6: than Jakobe Brissett because he could actually take off and move.

1547
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 6: But I also wanted to throw a couple of things

1548
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 6: that at both of you guys. Evan, I know you

1549
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 6: love Kyle Shanahan, but the worst part about the game

1550
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 6: Sunday was was losing to him. I can't stand him,

1551
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 6: you know, And I hated Mike Shannon and too. He

1552
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 6: looks like a friggin rat, but Alex, I just got

1553
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 6: to say. Georgia versus Alabama eventually lived up to the hype.

1554
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 6: But the game of the weekend probably the game, the

1555
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 6: best college game I've probably seen since the two thousand

1556
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 6: and seven Fiesta Bowl was Miami Virginia Tech. It was

1557
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 6: such a crazy ending that it made me lose my

1558
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 6: It made me jump out of my seat. And like

1559
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 6: any real football fans who are out there, like who

1560
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 6: don't watch college football, you're really missing out because it's

1561
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 6: a great game, it's a great product, and and you're

1562
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,719
Speaker 6: gonna be seen. Guys, I've been playing in the league.

1563
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, not you, No, I know.

1564
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 1: That's corrected him. I think I texted you and asked

1565
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:48,640
Speaker 1: if you were watching, You're like, why would I be

1566
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: doing that?

1567
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 2: Well, I asked you why I would be doing that

1568
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 2: because I was in San Francis for the first time.

1569
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: I was sightseeing. That's fair. No, that they were both

1570
01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: awesome games, Patty and I. By the way, I think

1571
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: the officials got the call right. They should have never

1572
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:02,679
Speaker 1: called it a touchdown on the field.

1573
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,520
Speaker 2: But awesome, awesome slate.

1574
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: This weekend, this past weekend, great college football.

1575
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 6: Yes, sir, all right, that's all I got.

1576
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 2: Guys, Thanks Patty, thanks for the call. Yeah I did.

1577
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 2: Actually we did want to watch that game. Yeah, we

1578
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 2: just didn't get back to it. Fair aunt time.

1579
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: Did you see what happened?

1580
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 2: You've seen the replace since as well. Yeah.

1581
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 1: On uh, he says something about Drake Man. I don't

1582
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 1: remember what I Oh, no, it's not really I thought

1583
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 1: he was gonna say something that he didn't. Never mind, Okay,

1584
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: all right, can I I'll just say it, because now

1585
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: I gave the tease. Can I give you a Drake

1586
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,640
Speaker 1: May take that. I think people are gonna hate, but

1587
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 1: I actually I stand by this. Yeah, because everybody's doing

1588
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: Drake Ma or Shane Daniels now right. Yeah, let's say

1589
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: Commanders took Drake May second and the Patriots took or

1590
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: even people, Oh, they shouldn't have won those games last year.

1591
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 2: I don't know what.

1592
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: Did you want Bailey's happy to purposely throw picks? Did

1593
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: you want Chad Ryland to purposely missed the field goal?

1594
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 2: And so like Chad Ryland did miss the field goal

1595
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 2: against the Giants that got us Drake Man.

1596
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't know. I don't understand. I hate

1597
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,759
Speaker 1: that they won. How many games they won. Tanking happens

1598
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 1: from the GM up. He can't fault players for that. Yeah,

1599
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 1: it's not a real You can be annoyed, but it's

1600
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,679
Speaker 1: not like a realistic take to expect it. But let's

1601
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: even say that the Patriots drafted second took Jane Daniels.

1602
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 1: I still think they would have taken Drake May. But

1603
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: let's say they took jayde Daniels second, and the Commanders took.

1604
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 2: Drake May third.

1605
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: I think right now we would be in the same spot,

1606
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: and Drake May would be lighting it up in Washington

1607
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,799
Speaker 1: and we would be wondering why they're not playing jayde Daniels.

1608
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: I think this is an organization thing. I think it's

1609
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 1: an Elliot Wolf, Alex man Pelt Packer Way thing, not

1610
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 1: a Drake May thing. That's not to say Drake May

1611
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 1: will be good, but if he was in Washington, he

1612
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: would have Cliff Kingsbury. He would have an offensive line, which,

1613
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: by the way, I think everybody's well, the Washington line's

1614
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: bad to I think they're ranked like eleventh this year.

1615
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 2: They've gotten better. They've gotten better.

1616
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,560
Speaker 1: He would wear ranked poorly coming into the Okay, he

1617
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 1: would have Terry McLaurin. Yes, like Jerry Rice, Terry mclaurin's

1618
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: a good player, come on, good right, he's better than anybody.

1619
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 2: I heard. It is Jerry Rice who said that. Just

1620
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 2: it just seems like we're like, Terry mccorin is a

1621
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,799
Speaker 2: really good player. Yeah, but is he the like if

1622
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 2: this Patriots team had Terry McLaurin, you'd feel comfortable with

1623
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:11,440
Speaker 2: Drake May playing.

1624
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 1: More, not outright, but more. But but it's not even

1625
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: about comfort. It's about no, but this is my point. Yeah,

1626
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 1: it's about it's about the production, not so much like

1627
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: like the process of putting him in. Well, if they

1628
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 1: had just you know, if they just lost the game

1629
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: and draft j Daniels or if they're just trying to

1630
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: trade up, I think Jane Daniels would be sitting here.

1631
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 1: I think this is a a front office philosophy thing,

1632
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: not a Drake May versus jayde.

1633
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 2: And Daniels thing.

1634
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 1: It's a it's a uh, why am I blanking on

1635
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: the head coach?

1636
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:43,679
Speaker 2: There a twenty eighty three guy dan Quinn.

1637
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 1: It's a dan Quinn, Cliff Kingsbury, Adam Peters, Peters thing

1638
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: versus Elliott wolf Drawdo, Alex Van Pelt. I think the quarterbacks,

1639
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,759
Speaker 1: if you switch them, both teams would still be approaching

1640
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: it the same way.

1641
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 2: So really quickly. Then I do want to move on

1642
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 2: some other stuff. But what what makes me a little

1643
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 2: bit irked about the Washington situation is not you know

1644
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 2: that I'm cool with Drake.

1645
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: May he wanted Cliff Kingsbury.

1646
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 2: They not only could, but Adam Peters would have been

1647
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 2: so they could have had defensive minded head coach Girodd Mayo,

1648
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 2: Adam Peters Cliff Kingsbury and they could have basically had

1649
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 2: the same set.

1650
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: So I'll say this, if they had hired Cliff Kingsbury

1651
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: and Adam Peters instead of Elliott Wolf and Alex Van Pelt, Yeah,

1652
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: and then you know it all played out the same.

1653
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 1: I think Drake may would be playing right now, ye,

1654
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 1: all other things the same. I'm curious if you agree,

1655
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: but like it's not a we can debate. D Do

1656
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: you think it's a philosophy it's a philosophical thing.

1657
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 2: I don't.

1658
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: Drake may May be there starting right now and be

1659
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: having a ton of success, and Jane Daniels would be

1660
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 1: here on the bench and we'd be sitting here saying

1661
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 1: why aren't they playing Jayde Daniels. I'd probably be digging

1662
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: in harder honestly for them not to play him, because

1663
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 1: durability was one of his major questions coming out. But

1664
01:16:56,560 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 1: I just I had that thought this week that it's not,

1665
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: oh well, they couldn't get Drake May ready and washing

1666
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: and got Jane Daniels ready.

1667
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 2: It's not an ability to do it. It's a willingness

1668
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 2: to do it well. And I I know last week,

1669
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 2: I I probably contradict myself a little bit with this,

1670
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 2: but it does. It's worth noting that Jade and Daniels

1671
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 2: made like sixty career starts in college.

1672
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jane Daniels also more experienced, he was more.

1673
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 2: Pro ready, like he obviously totally different athletes, totally different ability,

1674
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 2: but like he was more Mac jonesy in that sense,

1675
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 2: right where like he was known coming into the draft

1676
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 2: like this guy can play for you right away, right

1677
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 2: like that that that's a big difference between Drake may

1678
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 2: And and Jade and Daniels. All right, let's do three up,

1679
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 2: three down. Then we'll talk some Miami Dolphins. And I'm

1680
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 2: telling you we've got we got the people fired up

1681
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 2: with the Drake May conversation, and I do find it

1682
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 2: kind of depressing that that's the only thing people want

1683
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 2: to hear us write or talk about. But I digress.

1684
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 2: Let's do three up. I'm right in the I'm doing

1685
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 2: a h kelvin banks sports dot Com. There's a question

1686
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 2: here for with that, so I'll let you get to

1687
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 2: that in a second. I did it two up, four down.

1688
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 2: I've just decided until they actually play a one score game,

1689
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 2: it's gonna be two up, four down.

1690
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: I actually managed to forget if I did three year.

1691
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 2: We talked about this last night, and I actually did

1692
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 2: three seconds of show prep. But when we're texting about it,

1693
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 2: all right, so work for the show. I'll just start

1694
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 2: we don't. This is off the cuff. It's the best part.

1695
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 2: Number one Jabriel Peppers, Number one up to May Jabriel Peppers.

1696
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 2: Uh comes out of the gate with that big stick

1697
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 2: on Deebo Samuel. He came to play. He came with authority.

1698
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

1699
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 2: The interception was phenomenal. Like I'm not even exaggerating, Like

1700
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:42,759
Speaker 2: that's like an Ed Reid esque interception. He has George

1701
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 2: Kittle in coverage on the play. In the lower part

1702
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 2: of the of the coverage, he sees brock Perdy progress

1703
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 2: off of George Kittle and onto the deep over and

1704
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 2: he drops off of his assignment and freelance is essentially

1705
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 2: in a good way this time and drops underneath the

1706
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 2: route and goes in high points the ball and picks

1707
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 2: it off adjustment. Yeah, that's an Ed Reid type of

1708
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 2: interception player. Unreal pass breakup. Earlier on in the game,

1709
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 2: the second to last play of the game, he's still

1710
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 2: playing through the whistle. He hustles all the way down

1711
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 2: the field, thirty yards down the field and makes the

1712
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 2: tackle on the running back with like two minutes to

1713
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 2: go in a blowout game. That's the type of guy.

1714
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 2: And I he had told I think it was Dacota

1715
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 2: Randall interviewed him in the locker room today. He told

1716
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 2: Dakota that Gerrod Mayo put that play up on the

1717
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 2: board and said, this is what we need more of.

1718
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,600
Speaker 2: This is what we need to be about. He is

1719
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 2: what the Patriots need to be about. Jabreal peppers.

1720
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: I've been saying he he he might be one of

1721
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: the most underrated players in the league. Do you remember

1722
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: my kind of ridiculous take when they signed him, No,

1723
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: that if they were going to build a core from here.

1724
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:47,839
Speaker 1: He could be this team's Rodney Harrison.

1725
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's. He's I don't know if he's as good

1726
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 2: as Rodney was. Maybe we're nostalgic to Rodney. I mean,

1727
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:57,719
Speaker 2: like just overall impact. Yeah, he's. He's fantast hone setter,

1728
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 2: you know, leader from the front, things like that. Yeah,

1729
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 2: he was really good. Okay, what do you got, jaln Polk.

1730
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's tough because he's not he's not getting

1731
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 1: the ball, getting the ball. But I wonder why when

1732
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 1: you watch what he oh yeah, and when Drake may

1733
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: is on his back in two point one seconds because

1734
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 1: of the pass rush, a whole lot of difference.

1735
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 2: That's maybe Bob. At the time he gets hit, you

1736
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 2: can't by.

1737
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: The time it actually takes the snap to get back

1738
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: you take. I don't know if you remember this from

1739
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 1: the summer. One of the problems nick LeVert he didn't

1740
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 1: snap the ball fast.

1741
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

1742
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: So by the time the ball gets back to take

1743
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 1: he got opened a few times. I think, because this

1744
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 1: year is is much about development as it his results.

1745
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: The deep ball that was ruled in complete realistically off

1746
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: the hand that should be an interception the fact that

1747
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: he just got to that ball to not allow the

1748
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,719
Speaker 1: defender to make a play on it. Forget that close,

1749
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 1: getting that close to making it making it a catch

1750
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 1: was impressive, and he made a couple other contested catches too.

1751
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 1: I just I think you have to be encouraged not

1752
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: just in this game, but overall what you've seen from him.

1753
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 1: So he looks like a guy that belongs. And to

1754
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 1: what extent we'll find out at that point you're gonna

1755
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 1: see have to see Hi getting targeted more and getting

1756
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 1: the ball more. But he certainly looks like a guy

1757
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 1: that belongs. He certainly looks like a guy that can

1758
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: make play.

1759
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,679
Speaker 2: So I'm swear I'm not doing this with Jalen Pulk

1760
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 2: to make my point about Drake May, but it's gonna

1761
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 2: kind of do that too. So he's the type of

1762
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 2: guy that you need to throw the ball to him.

1763
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 2: You can't lead him into throws because he doesn't have

1764
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 2: that kind of vertical speed. He doesn't have that second

1765
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 2: gear to run underneath and over the shoulder or something like.

1766
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 2: He's not Tyreek Hill, right, You're not gonna throw it

1767
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,759
Speaker 2: to a spot fifty yards down the field and expect

1768
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk to run and down. What you need to

1769
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 2: do with him is you need to throw it at

1770
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,679
Speaker 2: to a spot like on his body right, like back shoulder,

1771
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 2: throw it over the defender's head. If it's you know,

1772
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,679
Speaker 2: the defender has his back to the quarterback, just throw

1773
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 2: it up to him. You know, he has great hands,

1774
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 2: he's got great body control on the boundary. He is

1775
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 2: somebody that you need to throw open as the quarterback.

1776
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 2: And I think one of this that they have right

1777
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 2: now is that perseet in my opinion, mainly because he

1778
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 2: doesn't want to turn it over, but also just because

1779
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 2: this isn't really his game. He's not somebody that throws

1780
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 2: receivers open very often. Jalen Polk is a throw it

1781
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 2: open type of receiver. He is not going to create

1782
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 2: three yards of separation, right He's not going to just

1783
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 2: run by somebody or juke somebody out of his shoes.

1784
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,560
Speaker 2: But he's got really sudden moves at the top of

1785
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 2: a route, and he's got really good body control in hands.

1786
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 2: So when he gets to with a quarterback, when he

1787
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 2: starts working with a quarterback that's willing to put the

1788
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 2: ball on him like that back shoulder throw, was when

1789
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 2: Jacoby more consistently than I think his stats will come

1790
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 2: and he'll start to show some more flashes. Right now,

1791
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 2: he's just not working with a quarterback that does that

1792
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,679
Speaker 2: sort of thing. My number two up was Devon Godshaw.

1793
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 2: I know the run defense had some of its issues

1794
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 2: on the edge, but in the middle of the defense,

1795
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 2: I thought he was really good in this game. I

1796
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 2: had him down with three running three run stuffs in

1797
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 2: this one, and I just thought that he did his job.

1798
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 2: And I think that's where some of the frustration. I'm

1799
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 2: sure it comes from on the radio on Monday, where

1800
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 2: it's like, well, they weren't running it up the middle, right,

1801
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 2: It wasn't It wasn't my fault. So he played pretty

1802
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 2: well in this game, and he did a nice job.

1803
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 2: Who else do you have?

1804
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 1: So I have a couple more that I knew you

1805
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't cover. Yep, Christian Ellis, that's fair.

1806
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 2: Was so good yea.

1807
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 1: In this game he was made a couple of big

1808
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 1: tackles on special teams, not just the one reforced and

1809
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: recovered the fumble, by the way, that's a high level play. Yeah,

1810
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 1: there's a punt late in the game when the Patriot

1811
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they weren't in it, but they're still in

1812
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: theory in it. And the last two weeks I've had

1813
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 1: special teams punt coverages it down because they've allowed these

1814
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 1: big returns. They actually get beat initially, and Christian Ellis

1815
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: from behind is able to track down the returner and

1816
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:51,520
Speaker 1: bring him down inside the twenty. That kind of athleticism,

1817
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 1: that kind of ability to tackle in the open field,

1818
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm kind of ready to say, let's maybe see some

1819
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 1: of Christian Ellis on defense.

1820
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 2: I'm ready to I wrote it in after further review,

1821
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 2: I Taki might put a wrench in that, Yeah, because

1822
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:08,719
Speaker 2: they're similar players. But Ellis in like the third down

1823
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 2: pass package, like obvious third down role you were talking

1824
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 2: about earlier, like whether he's spying, whether he's playing low hole,

1825
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 2: whether he's covering or running back in the flat. You know,

1826
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 2: just taking I know we're picking on him a lot today,

1827
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:25,640
Speaker 2: but just taking like a Tava or McMillan off the

1828
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 2: field in that situation and putting a more athletic not.

1829
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 1: Even off the field. It allows you to put back

1830
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 1: on the ed and it allows you to play him

1831
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 1: in position.

1832
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 2: Maybe Kean bumps inside. Yeah, exactly.

1833
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 1: So Christian ELL's a really good game on special teams

1834
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 1: and to the point where it's not like, oh, you

1835
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: played well on special teams, You've earned your role.

1836
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 2: Something like that.

1837
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 1: His defense snaps Ford, but also the raw skill he

1838
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: showed translates well to what they need.

1839
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 2: Ye all right? Do the kickers?

1840
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 1: Uh?

1841
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 2: Well, Joey sly So in instead of franchise record, he

1842
01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 2: does not only.

1843
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: That, the Pro Football Rep Friends database on this only

1844
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 1: goes back to nineteen ninety four.

1845
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 2: But what I just love how you know that? Well

1846
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 2: because I looked it up. Yeah, he did your drop good.

1847
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 2: He's the only the fourth.

1848
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: Kicker since nineteen ninety four to hit a fifty plus

1849
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 1: yard field goal in a sixty plus yard field goal

1850
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 1: in the same game.

1851
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 2: Okay, And I'm trying to find the Brandon Aubrey one

1852
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 2: of them probably No, it's uh, Justin Tucker. Justin Tucker

1853
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 2: was the last one to do it in twenty twenty two. Yeah,

1854
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 2: fifty five and sixty seven. You want to guess the

1855
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,679
Speaker 2: other two? One of them is like, he was arguably

1856
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 2: the best kicker in the league for a little bit.

1857
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 2: Sebastian Jenakowski now more recent I feel like he has

1858
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 2: had a huge leg I ei the twenty twelve twenty

1859
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 2: twelve Keskowski, No, because he made the sixty two yard Yeah.

1860
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 1: No, Greg zerline hit from fifteen sixty and then in

1861
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, Martine gramatic Man from sixty and

1862
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 1: he's the only one who hit two sixties. Hit from

1863
01:25:57,479 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: sixty and sixty two. In two thousand and.

1864
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 2: Three, Martin show slide of the list the worst injury

1865
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 2: I've ever seen celebrating. No, No, that's when he got hurt, right.

1866
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 2: That was his brother, Bill Grammatica.

1867
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 1: Martin Grammatica had a long successful year by the way.

1868
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 1: Uh fun fact, the guy who replaced Bill Grammatica after

1869
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 1: that injury, yeah, Tim Duncan. Oh, not that Tim Duncan,

1870
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 1: but there was a kicker named Tim Duncan.

1871
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 2: Uh.

1872
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 1: No, Martin Grammatica is the brother. He was in the

1873
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 1: NFL for like twenty years.

1874
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 2: I thought that Martin Grammatica did that too. No, it

1875
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 2: was Bill. It was his brother Bill. Okay, all right,

1876
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 2: let's uh let's do do you have any more ups?

1877
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: Uh?

1878
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 4: No?

1879
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 2: Is it? Who's your number?

1880
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 5: One?

1881
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 2: Down? My I'm glad you. I'm glad you prepared this week.

1882
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, my number one down was I don't really

1883
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 1: put him in order, just kind of order.

1884
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 2: I hang of him. I numb one down.

1885
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 1: Skobert said it was his worst game of the year,

1886
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: and I feel like this this week he got in

1887
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 1: the way of the offense more than any other game.

1888
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had him on the list. I had number one.

1889
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 2: I the defensive coaching staff. We don't have to belabor

1890
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 2: the point I've already been over my Missilloqually on that.

1891
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:07,560
Speaker 2: I just thought they got out coached and did not

1892
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 2: do a very good job of putting players in positions

1893
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:12,879
Speaker 2: to succeed. With that being said, one of those players,

1894
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 2: Jelani Tavai, has to have gone the downs ready for

1895
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 2: this stat His numbers in coverage on Sunday five for

1896
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 2: five for one hundred and twelve yards, and one of

1897
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:27,640
Speaker 2: those was a touchdown that got wiped out by a

1898
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 2: phantom holding call on George Kittle that should have been

1899
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 2: a touchdown. So that goes down as like a twenty

1900
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 2: four yard game that should have been like a forty

1901
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 2: yard gain and a touchdown on top of that. So

1902
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 2: tack on another what sixteen yards and a touchdown onto that,

1903
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 2: So we're five for five for one hundred and twenty

1904
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 2: eight yards in a touchdown. Now, sorry, math is hard. Yeah,

1905
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 2: it was a tech McMillin stat line. It's bad. It

1906
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 2: was not his fault. But when you're out there, you're

1907
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 2: out there. Yeah, and this Moore goes to coaching staff.

1908
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 1: We've talked about he's not an off ball linebackern that

1909
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:03,640
Speaker 1: his first year here. He's an edge player and they

1910
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 1: got to get him back there.

1911
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 2: Okay, who's your next one?

1912
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 1: Romanre Stevenson somehow we haven't talked about yet.

1913
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Four fumbles in four games. Yeah, I can't have it.

1914
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 1: You just especially a week after. It is a point

1915
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 1: of emphasis in practice. You know this is coming up.

1916
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 1: He fumbled early in the game, and it's not like

1917
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 1: somebody on the Niners made this unbelievable play to knock

1918
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 1: the ball. Ou see, it's just outside his frame as

1919
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 1: he hits the line of scrimmage. You can't do that.

1920
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 1: So now the coaching staff's in this really tough position

1921
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 1: where he's still one of your two best playmakers on

1922
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 1: offense and the coaching staff doesn't seem particularly interested.

1923
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 2: In involving to Mario Douglas.

1924
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:45,760
Speaker 1: So he's your essentially best playmaker, but as Gerardmeo said

1925
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 1: after the game, they can't afford to turn the ball over.

1926
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 2: Can't be So what he say, you can't be about

1927
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 2: job Security's bass security? Well he said that don't.

1928
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 1: Right, but he also said that, yeah, all right, so

1929
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: essentially that but yeah, what are you gonna do? You

1930
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 1: want to be this run heavy offense? He is your

1931
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 1: best playmaker, Yeah, but he continues to fumble the ball

1932
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: and at a certain point you can't have that. So

1933
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm god, I don't have to make the decision. I know.

1934
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 1: Trod Mayo said this week Antonio Gibson might start, and

1935
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 1: I get that, but like, what's the dis I don't

1936
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 1: care about the starting what's the distribution of rep's gonna be?

1937
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be like the fantasy football thing. Will

1938
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 1: you give the guy a slap on the wrist by

1939
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,639
Speaker 1: starting him in your flex or are they really gonna

1940
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 1: limit his carries?

1941
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 2: And if they limit his carries, what's the ceiling for

1942
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 2: the offense? So you're one hundred percent right on your

1943
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 2: bremonder being on the downs take. I'm glad you did see.

1944
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 2: We know each other well enough that I didn't put

1945
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 2: him because I actually thought would my thing with though

1946
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:43,560
Speaker 2: with it is that I don't think Antonio Gibson's a

1947
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 2: volume back. He's not. So if all of a sudden

1948
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 2: just to for one game, yeah, I suppose. If you

1949
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 2: want to prove a point and you want to bench

1950
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 2: Remandre for one game, and you give Antonio Gibson twenty

1951
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 2: twenty five touches on Sunday, it's not the end of

1952
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 2: the world. But that's not gonna be and Tonio Gibson

1953
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 2: for the rest of the season.

1954
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 1: Well, but what do you do with Stevenson fumbles again,

1955
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 1: It's it's not a good problem. But so what I

1956
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 1: would do, I'd elevate Kevin Harris for this game, okay,

1957
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 1: and I would get and Tomichael Hasty was fine running

1958
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:14,680
Speaker 1: the ball last week actually, and I.

1959
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 2: Just want to it's it's a detriment to Gibson to

1960
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 2: all of a sudden put him in a high volume see,

1961
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 2: and I.

1962
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 1: Think the SAME's about I think the same about Hasty. Yeah,

1963
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 1: that's why I'd elevate Kevin Harris and I would get

1964
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 1: not you still have to play Stevenson some but it's

1965
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 1: this guy's right here, he's gonna play. This guy can

1966
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:33,639
Speaker 1: be a volume back, like I I would have Kevin

1967
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 1: Harris as party game plan this week.

1968
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 2: That's fair enough. Antonio Gibson, I am still finding myself

1969
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 2: and I feel like I've written this every single week

1970
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 2: in my game review. He is one of your most

1971
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 2: explosive players on offense. I know it happened in garbage time,

1972
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 2: but he hits a fifty yarder on a little check

1973
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:53,679
Speaker 2: down coming over the middle of to feel a little

1974
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 2: crosser mesh traffic. You know, they run mesh and then

1975
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 2: they sneak the running back out of the backfield and

1976
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 2: it's a blown coverage and he goes for fifty yards.

1977
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 2: They don't have a whole lot of guys on their

1978
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 2: team that are capable of doing that on offense, like

1979
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 2: taking a five yard pass and turning it into a

1980
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 2: fifty yard game. He is one of them, maybe one

1981
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,679
Speaker 2: of the only ones. It's probably like him in Pop Douglas. Honestly,

1982
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:21,639
Speaker 2: I think he needs to be more involved, even separate

1983
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 2: from Rimandre's fumbling problems. And maybe they did it a

1984
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 2: little bit last week. They had a two back set

1985
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 2: with both of them on the field together, little pony action,

1986
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 2: Like maybe that's what it is. I know everybody wants

1987
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 2: to hear like screens and stuff like that. But it's

1988
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:37,759
Speaker 2: not just that, Like can you flex him out wide

1989
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 2: and maybe you get him matched up on a linebacker

1990
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:42,440
Speaker 2: and you hit him on a slant against a linebacker,

1991
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 2: Like maybe he runs a fade against the linebacker and

1992
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 2: you hit him on a go ball against a matchup

1993
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 2: Like he is a matchup for them. They don't have

1994
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 2: a lot of them. They need to find ways to

1995
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 2: use him as a matchup player. My last down, I

1996
01:31:57,200 --> 01:32:02,560
Speaker 2: can bind both of them. So and Layden Robinson. I

1997
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:05,759
Speaker 2: didn't put Tray Jacobs on the downs because I honestly

1998
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:07,600
Speaker 2: feel like that's a little unfair. Yeah, what do you

1999
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:12,760
Speaker 2: expect to Yeah, but Leyden Robinson in city. So maybe

2000
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 2: not so much with Robinson. I understand it's So's first

2001
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 2: game back from injury, but those are probably gonna be

2002
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 2: two guys that are in the mix on the offensive

2003
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:24,759
Speaker 2: line for you moving forward. They allowed a combined eleven

2004
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 2: quarterback pressures in this game, two sacks. Robinson by himself

2005
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 2: allowed seven quarterback pressures. Yeah. I think we need to

2006
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 2: cool down on Laydon Robinson. Yeah, I mean I've been there. Yeah,

2007
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:39,640
Speaker 2: Malie Collins is a solid NFL player Malie Collins is

2008
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 2: not an elite pass rushing defensive tackle. He looked like

2009
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 2: an elite pass rushing defensive tackle on Sunday, Like he

2010
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 2: looked like a problem. He's not a bad player, but

2011
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 2: just you know, for an example, he's not Quinn Williams right, Like,

2012
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 2: he's not one of those types of guys. And he

2013
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 2: he had his way with Leyden Robinson. So a lot

2014
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 2: of sack and quarterback hit and two more pressures. So combine,

2015
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 2: your two guards were a problem in this game. Obviously

2016
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:09,720
Speaker 2: Trey Jacobs was a problem too, but really all the

2017
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 2: pressure came from those three spots. It was the two guards,

2018
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 2: and it was the left tackle. If that gets mitigated

2019
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 2: to just the left tackle, like, you can work with that,

2020
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:20,599
Speaker 2: like we've talked about this before. If it's just one part,

2021
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 2: one position, you can coach around it. You can slide,

2022
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:26,759
Speaker 2: you can chip, you can get the ball out quickly,

2023
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 2: you can run motion to that side of the field

2024
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 2: and try to stretch out the end like you can

2025
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:33,679
Speaker 2: do stuff to make up for a bad left tackle.

2026
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 2: But if you're giving up pressure in the interior too,

2027
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:38,560
Speaker 2: now you're just plugging a whole a boat with a

2028
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:40,880
Speaker 2: bunch of holes in it and it's impossible. So they

2029
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 2: have to get better guard play and pass protection from

2030
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 2: those two guys. And you gotta hope that City So

2031
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 2: being back just.

2032
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 1: Or playing another game, right, just as kind of more

2033
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 1: into the float of things here and give you something

2034
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 1: else because Layde Robinson, especially in pass pro, like he's

2035
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 1: not there yet.

2036
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 2: He's just not there.

2037
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 1: And I think you have to rely on City So.

2038
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 1: And we saw Michael Jordan participating in practice, which is

2039
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:03,719
Speaker 1: a good sign. He's been their sneaky best guard.

2040
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll go from there.

2041
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:06,720
Speaker 1: And I'll say this because I've got a ton of

2042
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:09,880
Speaker 1: questions about Cold Strange. Yeah, you might need Cold Strange

2043
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 1: to come back as a center, not a guard. So

2044
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:14,080
Speaker 1: Cole Strange, I know, Mark Daniels put it out there.

2045
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 1: I think right before we started to record, Cold Strange

2046
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 1: is gonna is on target to play this season. But

2047
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 1: I didn't read marks floor not soon. But that does

2048
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 1: not sound like at anytime soon. Like just saying that

2049
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 1: he's not ruled out for the entire year tells me

2050
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 1: that that is a maybe Thanksgiving target, you know, like

2051
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 1: like late November early. I am not optimistic that Cold

2052
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 1: Strange is coming back anytime.

2053
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 2: So the initial reporting was a couple of months.

2054
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:46,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like seven eight weeks he has here, Mark Daniels,

2055
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 1: mass live, Cole Strange contractor return of the Patriots this season,

2056
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:55,800
Speaker 1: although timelines depending on his recovery. Yeah, just says later.

2057
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 1: It just keeps saying later.

2058
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 2: This season, So that to me is at least an

2059
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 2: other month. Yeah. I've talked to Cole a little bit

2060
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 2: in the locker room and the impression that I've gotten

2061
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 2: from him is that he's not really even thinking about

2062
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 2: that right now. Right He's more thinking about getting healthy.

2063
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 2: So he's not clear.

2064
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 1: Daniels has he's not cleared to practice, and obviously that

2065
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 1: means return from pup.

2066
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 2: But I also wonder if that means like not even

2067
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:25,760
Speaker 2: get on a field and start the ramps. Yeah, what

2068
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 2: I thought was interesting from what Kendrick Bourne said today

2069
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:30,680
Speaker 2: to us, and I wanted to end this show. I know,

2070
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 2: we haven't really talked a ton of Dolphins. I'm I

2071
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 2: don't know how much it really matters.

2072
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 1: Well, I do want to talk Kendrick Bourne.

2073
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:38,560
Speaker 2: I want to talk about like five minutes, ten to

2074
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:39,799
Speaker 2: ten minutes about the Dolphins.

2075
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:41,719
Speaker 1: You know, I'm always down to talk Kendrick Bourne.

2076
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 2: So with Bourne, what I thought was interesting is he

2077
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 2: said that he was physically cleared by the start of

2078
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 2: the season, but he almost treated the first four weeks

2079
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 2: as his training camp to get himself in shape to play.

2080
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:58,120
Speaker 1: Published was the word he kept choosing to polish his routes.

2081
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, things like that. So I you gotta think

2082
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 2: about the ramp up as much as you have to

2083
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 2: think about the health of the player. So if cold

2084
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 2: Strange is ready to go physically, he gets cleared medically

2085
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 2: by the doctors, let's say by the end of October,

2086
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 2: then he's probably gonna need a couple of weeks to

2087
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:15,640
Speaker 2: get ramped back up.

2088
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 1: And just to be clear, some people may wonder, well,

2089
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:21,600
Speaker 1: isn't that what the three weeks is for when you

2090
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:24,640
Speaker 1: activate the guy. Some teams do it like that and

2091
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 1: just ramp them up over the course of practice. But

2092
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 1: then if you have a setback, you're out of luck.

2093
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:31,600
Speaker 1: He's not coming back. Versus if you just do a

2094
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 1: solo ramp up that's not part of practice, and then

2095
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:36,479
Speaker 1: you do it in essentially two stages, and then he

2096
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 1: comes back to practice and ramps up in that way,

2097
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 1: you just you have more control over the timeline.

2098
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so before I see you guys on the phones

2099
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 2: and we'll take your calls here, I promise. But I

2100
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 2: want to talk about some of the other, you know,

2101
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 2: new injury news that's been with the team because it

2102
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 2: is important. So let's start with David Andrews at a

2103
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 2: third now. Oh right, sorry, what was your third? Were

2104
01:36:57,800 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 2: talked about it, Josh and Jay?

2105
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 1: Okay, just the inability to hold the edge, not just

2106
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 1: not just in the past game in the run game

2107
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:05,679
Speaker 1: is concerning right now.

2108
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally fair. All right, David Andrews. This one's a

2109
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,920
Speaker 2: tough one for me because you know, I love David Andrews.

2110
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 2: He's been a really an ally covering this team, working

2111
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 2: for the team. He's been really good to me. I

2112
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:24,080
Speaker 2: have nothing bad to say about David Andrews, the person

2113
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 2: David Andrews. At this point, it feels like his play

2114
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 2: on the field has been compromised by his body starting

2115
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 2: to give out on him a little bit. And I'm

2116
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:36,720
Speaker 2: not saying that, oh, it's not surprising that he's hurt

2117
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 2: long term. I'm just saying that at this stage of

2118
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 2: his career, he's played a lot of football He's always

2119
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 2: been pretty healthy outside of the blood clots issue in

2120
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. He's played seasons upon seasons deep playoff runs,

2121
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 2: Like how many snaps in the NFL do you think

2122
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 2: David Andrews has played. It's got to be ten thousand, easily, right.

2123
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 2: It just feels like his body has given out on

2124
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:03,640
Speaker 2: him a little bit here towards the end, and his

2125
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:08,680
Speaker 2: past protection in particular starting last year, has dipped a

2126
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 2: little bit, and it was dipping already a little bit

2127
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 2: this year too. We talked about it in the Jets game.

2128
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:16,639
Speaker 2: He might have been playing through an injury, separate injury,

2129
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 2: but playing through injury in that game. So from a

2130
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 2: pure blocking standpoint, just post snap, how does this guy

2131
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 2: perform block for block? I'm not sure, Nick Leverett's that

2132
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 2: much of a drop off at this point. You obviously

2133
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 2: can't replace the person. You can't replace the leader, you

2134
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:38,680
Speaker 2: can't replace the grit, you can't replace the communication that

2135
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 2: he brings to the table. But I'm not quite as

2136
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 2: concerned about David Andrews to Nick Leverett as maybe you

2137
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 2: would think. I don't know how much of a drop

2138
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 2: off physically that is truly going to be with all

2139
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 2: the respect in the world for Andrews and for the player,

2140
01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 2: I just I don't when I watched them on film,

2141
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 2: I don't see a major drop off right now from

2142
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:03,280
Speaker 2: those two guys.

2143
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:07,920
Speaker 1: I think maybe not physically, mentally, you're losing a ton. Yes,

2144
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:11,240
Speaker 1: and again, Nick Leverage is not experienced center. Yeah, I

2145
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 1: know he's played a little bit in the NFL, but

2146
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 1: one and this is something we'll watch this week, and

2147
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 1: maybe he's gotten better at I remember watching noticing the

2148
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:21,560
Speaker 1: summer the ball doesn't come back with a ton of

2149
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:23,080
Speaker 1: velocity in the shotgun.

2150
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:23,759
Speaker 2: And that matters.

2151
01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:26,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And then on top of that, I actually

2152
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 1: thought he was a decent He's decent for most of

2153
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 1: the summer, but he had a couple of bad snaps

2154
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:33,919
Speaker 1: late there, and those can't come back. I'm not comfortable

2155
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 1: saying that that the drop off is gonna be minimal.

2156
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 1: Maybe it was on Sunday. I think they got lucky.

2157
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 1: I don't think that's something you can count on if

2158
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 1: I were them. I and I know they worked out.

2159
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 2: Not Jesse Davis. I thought they worked out another center,

2160
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:49,439
Speaker 2: at least.

2161
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:51,600
Speaker 1: Sound one of the practice squad car yet, but I

2162
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 1: get another, I get another veteran center in here, and

2163
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 1: I mean Rod Nick Leverty's the starter he's been with

2164
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 1: the team. But we'll see with Brian Hudson. You know,

2165
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 1: Levert's on the injury report too. He can get real ugly,

2166
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 1: real fast at center. I'm not comfortable saying that David

2167
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 1: Andrews is going to be a minimal absence. Is there

2168
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 1: a chance that could happen.

2169
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:13,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not confident. I'm not saying he's going to

2170
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:15,720
Speaker 2: be a minimal absence either. I just don't think it's

2171
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:19,680
Speaker 2: going to be a physical decline. It's more gonna be

2172
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:22,000
Speaker 2: unless you want to count snapping. I guess that's a

2173
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:22,759
Speaker 2: physical app.

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01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 1: I think that's especially for with an offensive line where

2175
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 1: every tenth of a second matters.

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01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 2: We'll have to I didn't see his snaps being an

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01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 2: issue on Sunday, but maybe it was one game that he.

2178
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 1: That's also the kind of thing that like, I don't

2179
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:37,120
Speaker 1: know how much you look at this, and I didn't

2180
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:39,840
Speaker 1: even I looked a little bit. The speed of the snap.

2181
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:42,160
Speaker 1: I thought of it honestly today a practice, Yeah.

2182
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:44,559
Speaker 2: I I if it was egregious, I would have noticed.

2183
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:47,559
Speaker 2: It's not something that I necessarily noticed, which I feel

2184
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 2: like is a good thing, right, right, He there's a possibility.

2185
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:55,640
Speaker 2: I'm just going to allow for the possibility that they

2186
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 2: kind of rammed him up at center starting like mid August,

2187
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:00,800
Speaker 2: but he's had probably two months now.

2188
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:04,160
Speaker 1: But that's what's concerning, is he was better earlier on

2189
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:05,840
Speaker 1: when they start ramping HM up, and then late in

2190
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 1: the summer it became an issue.

2191
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:09,560
Speaker 2: Well, maybe he's gotten better at snapping. Okay, you know,

2192
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:12,120
Speaker 2: like in this timeframe, right, And let's also remember that

2193
01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:15,840
Speaker 2: David Andrews has always was kind of being managed. Like

2194
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:18,840
Speaker 2: there's probably a lot of first team reps for Nick

2195
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:21,360
Speaker 2: let a lot of first team Yeah, so maybe he's

2196
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 2: just gotten better at it. Like it's not no offense,

2197
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 2: but it's not like this incredibly hard thing. It's just

2198
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 2: a skill that you have to learn how to do.

2199
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:32,800
Speaker 2: And so maybe he got better at it. Kendrick Bourne,

2200
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 2: I don't want to oversell it, but I don't want

2201
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 2: to undersell it because I do think this matters. I

2202
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:41,439
Speaker 2: do think that this is gonna help. Yes, they do

2203
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 2: have receivers that are getting open, that aren't getting the

2204
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:47,439
Speaker 2: football to an extent, but it's more about who you're

2205
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,360
Speaker 2: taking off the field than any of that. Like, if

2206
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 2: he's in the spot that Taekwon Thornton and kJ Osborne

2207
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:55,760
Speaker 2: have been in for the most part, I think what's

2208
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:57,639
Speaker 2: gonna happen in the first four weeks of the season.

2209
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 2: He is a significant, significant upgrade upgrade over those two guys,

2210
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:06,240
Speaker 2: and they are dying, dying for an X receiver that

2211
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:08,519
Speaker 2: can win on one on one, like just one time,

2212
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 2: like run a slant and actually create some separation. They

2213
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:14,719
Speaker 2: went to Osborne twice at the beginning of that game

2214
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 2: against the forty nine ers last week, and he was

2215
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:19,759
Speaker 2: blanketed both times. Like, if you can now have somebody

2216
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:22,080
Speaker 2: that can actually separate on that route and win on

2217
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:25,400
Speaker 2: that route, that's huge for this team. Not to mention

2218
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 2: all the intangible stuff that Kendrick Bourne brings to the table.

2219
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:31,720
Speaker 2: He's great after the catch. You know, ESPN has this

2220
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:34,200
Speaker 2: new You're gonna hate this, but ESPN has this new

2221
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:38,320
Speaker 2: receiving stat. This is a receiving data that they use.

2222
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 2: It's a cumulative stat and it combines separation like you know,

2223
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 2: the next gen separation, contested catchability, and yards after catchability. Right,

2224
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:54,360
Speaker 2: those two things are tangible, right, The separation stats gets

2225
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 2: a little bit wonky. Out of one hundred and one

2226
01:42:56,880 --> 01:43:00,720
Speaker 2: receivers last year in twenty twenty three, Kendrick Bourne sixteenth,

2227
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:05,240
Speaker 2: sixteenth best. He was like sandwiched between some really good players,

2228
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 2: like at the wide receiver position. He was on pace

2229
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 2: last year to be a thousand yard receiver on a

2230
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:13,360
Speaker 2: terrible offense. Like he was having a career year before

2231
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:17,640
Speaker 2: the ACL. Well see if he's pre ACL born, like

2232
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:19,479
Speaker 2: that might not be till next year, you know how

2233
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:23,759
Speaker 2: that works, right, But he was metrics wise, stats wise

2234
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:26,759
Speaker 2: that you know, extrapulating his games for a sixteen seventeen

2235
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 2: game season last year. He was having a really good

2236
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:32,760
Speaker 2: year for the Patriots in twenty three. So again I

2237
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 2: don't want to oversell it. I don't want to undersell it.

2238
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:37,760
Speaker 2: They're not getting Jerry Rice or Randy Moss back, you know,

2239
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:39,960
Speaker 2: there you go, but they I think they are getting

2240
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:41,280
Speaker 2: a really really good player back.

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01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing, I mean, we were calling for

2242
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 1: them to do more like scheme touch stuff, yeah with

2243
01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:50,200
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas, which again they just don't see interested in doing.

2244
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:52,960
Speaker 1: Kender Burns another guy you can do scheme touch with

2245
01:43:53,320 --> 01:43:54,760
Speaker 1: and you can run on some Mendo rounds and some

2246
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:56,960
Speaker 1: jet passes and things like that, and he's really good

2247
01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:58,519
Speaker 1: at the ball in his hand. Right, maybe it opens

2248
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:01,280
Speaker 1: up that part of the playbook a little bit more

2249
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:03,240
Speaker 1: real quick kind of unrelated.

2250
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:06,599
Speaker 2: But did you did I get quote tweeted again?

2251
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 1: No? Did you see Jason Kelsey's rant about analytics? This

2252
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:14,360
Speaker 1: is my viewpoint on stats. Stats are numbers. What I

2253
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 1: care about is the football.

2254
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 2: Where does it go?

2255
01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:18,200
Speaker 1: Does it go to the end zone? Do we get points?

2256
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:21,120
Speaker 1: Points are also numbers, but points determined games and wins

2257
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:25,400
Speaker 1: and losses. Stats are numbers. Numbers are nerds. Nerds are losers.

2258
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:28,799
Speaker 1: Therefore stats are losers. Thank you, Jason Kelsey.

2259
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:32,280
Speaker 2: Okay, that's coming from a future Hall of Fame center

2260
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 2: you right, so he probably knows a thing or twill

2261
01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 2: now you no offense or not, Jason Kelsey. So the

2262
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:39,160
Speaker 2: fact that you are not on the nerd side of

2263
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:41,519
Speaker 2: this is shocking. But his whole point is that stuff's

2264
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:42,160
Speaker 2: all irrelevant.

2265
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 1: Real ballp the top, Ball up top, get to the

2266
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 1: end zone.

2267
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:49,559
Speaker 2: Okay, here's the thing, cave Man, Ball up top, get

2268
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:51,240
Speaker 2: to the ends? Have you not seen ball up top?

2269
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 2: My new Like, here's the thing. I was having a

2270
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:56,160
Speaker 2: conversation with somebody the other day about this.

2271
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2272
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 2: He asked me, what are you seeing on the defense? Right?

2273
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:01,880
Speaker 2: I said, well, I can tell you what I'm seeing,

2274
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:03,280
Speaker 2: but I'm not a coach, I'm not a player. I

2275
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:05,479
Speaker 2: don't know it like you guys do. And he was like, well,

2276
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:07,600
Speaker 2: tell me what you're seeing and I said, well, statistically,

2277
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 2: and he said, oh, you're going stats on me. And

2278
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:12,120
Speaker 2: I was like yeah, and I was like, yeah, statistically,

2279
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:14,800
Speaker 2: you guys think and Cover two. Okay, you guys are

2280
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 2: playing Cover two. You're getting freaking shredded. Stop playing Cover two.

2281
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:20,760
Speaker 2: That's how I see it. And then I explained what

2282
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:22,560
Speaker 2: I explained earlier in the show. You know, about the

2283
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:26,880
Speaker 2: safeties and not having anybody to contain the quarterback and YadA, YadA, YadA,

2284
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 2: But the point being for us stats people, Yeah, I

2285
01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:33,479
Speaker 2: watched the film. I see that. I say to myself, dang,

2286
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:36,000
Speaker 2: like it really seems like brock Party tore up Cover

2287
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:38,639
Speaker 2: two in this game. Then I can go to next Gen,

2288
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 2: into the portal, into the dashboard and see brock Purty

2289
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:45,720
Speaker 2: sure enough, was like one hundred and fifty yards on

2290
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 2: seven attempts in Cover two.

2291
01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:50,040
Speaker 1: Instead, he even says points or points are numbers they

2292
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:53,480
Speaker 1: determined games like points, yards whatever. I'm talking about the acronyms.

2293
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:57,640
Speaker 1: When you start putting expected in there, things like that

2294
01:45:58,040 --> 01:46:02,160
Speaker 1: like hate EPA, you hate it, show me tangibly.

2295
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:02,560
Speaker 4: What it is.

2296
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 1: Fine if you can't formulate, or it's just pulling numbers

2297
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 1: out of thin air because it's expected this, or or

2298
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:14,200
Speaker 1: you know when you stumers use numbers, are nerds?

2299
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:18,680
Speaker 2: Nerds? Loss? You said that you wanted to bring up

2300
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:22,520
Speaker 2: points per game with the defense, you knew in context

2301
01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:25,200
Speaker 2: that that might not be inaccurate. So what did I do?

2302
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:28,120
Speaker 1: I went and found points per drive. That's another tangible number.

2303
01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:32,040
Speaker 2: E p A is context. E p A bakes in

2304
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:37,439
Speaker 2: down in distance, score of the game situation. Is that

2305
01:46:38,240 --> 01:46:39,960
Speaker 2: kind of formula for e p A? Yes?

2306
01:46:40,360 --> 01:46:40,960
Speaker 1: Is it public?

2307
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:42,160
Speaker 2: Yes?

2308
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:42,600
Speaker 6: But no?

2309
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:45,720
Speaker 1: Okay, so there, so I don't know because I don't

2310
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:46,920
Speaker 1: formally is it is?

2311
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 2: But do you know how to code?

2312
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:53,960
Speaker 1: That's not really? No, that doesn't count yards per drive,

2313
01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:58,600
Speaker 1: yards per attempt or completions against cover two. That is

2314
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:00,680
Speaker 1: a tangible Okay.

2315
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:03,560
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, good thing that it's supported my argument no

2316
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:05,640
Speaker 2: matter what number we use, because they're bad in all

2317
01:47:05,680 --> 01:47:05,840
Speaker 2: of it.

2318
01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:09,440
Speaker 1: So stats are numbers I'm not tattooed guy, but I'm

2319
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 1: saying if I were, Stats are numbers. Numbers are nerds.

2320
01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 1: Nerds are losers.

2321
01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:13,880
Speaker 2: Stats are losers.

2322
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:16,160
Speaker 1: What a great quote by Jason Kelsey. Let's get back

2323
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:18,240
Speaker 1: I think of the Kelsey Brothers guy, but what a quote.

2324
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 1: Let's get back to the TPX hotline. It is Steve

2325
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:21,960
Speaker 1: in New York.

2326
01:47:22,040 --> 01:47:29,479
Speaker 2: What's up? Steve? Stay there? All right? We didn't even

2327
01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:32,919
Speaker 2: leave Steve on hold for that long. Ted is in Portland?

2328
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:33,559
Speaker 2: What's up? Ted?

2329
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:40,240
Speaker 4: Hey, what's up? Guys? Had a quick question that is hypothetical.

2330
01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:43,519
Speaker 4: But if Mayo, you know, I know you said we're

2331
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:47,759
Speaker 4: starting Jacoby, why wouldn't you just say were starting Jacoby

2332
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:51,720
Speaker 4: and then starkrek may and basically catch everyone off.

2333
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:52,360
Speaker 6: God.

2334
01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:56,400
Speaker 4: I also wanted to ask Adam would you get him?

2335
01:47:56,960 --> 01:47:59,280
Speaker 4: And then also I wanted to add a suggestion. I

2336
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:01,479
Speaker 4: know you guys have been talking about having a whiteboard.

2337
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:04,360
Speaker 4: It would be awesome. We'd love to see it. I'm

2338
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:06,560
Speaker 4: sure there's plenty of other people would love to see it.

2339
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:09,240
Speaker 4: It also be a great way to promote the pods

2340
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:10,679
Speaker 4: through YouTube short clips.

2341
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ted, it's a great point. We do, we do.

2342
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 2: We did talk about the whiteboard, Well, we'll work on that.

2343
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:18,280
Speaker 2: I think it would be a useful tool. We're gonna

2344
01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:21,640
Speaker 2: get one. I love that. Uh On DeVante Adams. I'm

2345
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:24,200
Speaker 2: glad he brought this up because we probably should get

2346
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:28,800
Speaker 2: addressed this on the show. You know me, I am

2347
01:48:29,320 --> 01:48:32,840
Speaker 2: a shiny new toy. I take de bait every time.

2348
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:36,680
Speaker 2: I want the wide receiver. I love wide receivers. I'll

2349
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:39,479
Speaker 2: take all the wide receivers for once in my life.

2350
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:41,760
Speaker 2: I'm actually gonna say that I don't think this one

2351
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:44,840
Speaker 2: makes sense, which is like shocking to me. I can't

2352
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:47,280
Speaker 2: believe I even just uttered those words that this doesn't

2353
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:49,479
Speaker 2: make sense to go out and trade for probably a

2354
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:53,680
Speaker 2: top five receiver in football. But from Devonte Adams's perspective,

2355
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:56,439
Speaker 2: I can't imagine he wants to come to New England.

2356
01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:58,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what the selling point is with the Patriots.

2357
01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 2: He's already paid. He just wants to win, Like I just,

2358
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:04,680
Speaker 2: I don't understand what if he doesn't want to play

2359
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 2: for the Raiders, and why does he want to play

2360
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:08,519
Speaker 2: for the Patriots. You know that part of it doesn't

2361
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:10,560
Speaker 2: add up. The other party that doesn't add up. And

2362
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:12,360
Speaker 2: I say this as somebody that was born in the

2363
01:49:12,439 --> 01:49:15,240
Speaker 2: same month, in the same year as DeVante Adams. He's

2364
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 2: gonna be thirty two years old in December. A.

2365
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,360
Speaker 1: We're born on literally the same day as Jacoby verses.

2366
01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:24,680
Speaker 2: I am, we have the same exact birthday. Where what's DeVante? Like,

2367
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:27,680
Speaker 2: what's the outlook with Devonte Adams? Like, yes, you could

2368
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:30,360
Speaker 2: make the argument that he could help Drake may in

2369
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:32,600
Speaker 2: his first full year as a starter next year, but

2370
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:35,560
Speaker 2: like now we're talking about a thirty two year old receiver. Like,

2371
01:49:36,160 --> 01:49:38,719
Speaker 2: I don't see how that it's not Stefan Diggs with Buffalo.

2372
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, right to me, So I'm with you, Like, he's

2373
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:43,400
Speaker 1: not coming here, Yeah, And I know there's a clip

2374
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:46,080
Speaker 1: going around of him being very complimentary of Robert Craft

2375
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:46,800
Speaker 1: and Gerrod Mayo.

2376
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, great, maybe.

2377
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 1: He comes here to coach one day. Like the whole

2378
01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:53,240
Speaker 1: reason he wants out is the quarterback position. There he

2379
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:55,920
Speaker 1: has He's played with six quarterbacks in two years. Yeah,

2380
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:59,559
Speaker 1: a list that includes Jarrett Stidham, Jimmy Garoppolo, and Brian Hoyertman.

2381
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:00,639
Speaker 2: Still put some numbers.

2382
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 1: It's still put a thousand yards last year, hundred catches.

2383
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:04,960
Speaker 2: Hud A three I think he's not coming here.

2384
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:08,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think hypothetically if he were to, Yeah,

2385
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:12,880
Speaker 1: he can be your bridge to Stefan Diggs or that way.

2386
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:15,200
Speaker 1: Like because you got to take tackle in the first round.

2387
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 1: I think we both agree on that. So you're not

2388
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:19,920
Speaker 1: getting that immediate impact wide receiver in the draft. But

2389
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:23,040
Speaker 1: maybe there's a guy you really like who's a year away. Well, okay,

2390
01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:25,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna take him in the second round. But we

2391
01:50:25,240 --> 01:50:27,760
Speaker 1: have DeVante Adams in the meantime, so we still have

2392
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:30,840
Speaker 1: this player and Drake Macon can really get going next year.

2393
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:33,200
Speaker 1: So I think there's an argument for it. The report

2394
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:35,200
Speaker 1: out there is the Raiders want a second. That's cute

2395
01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:37,200
Speaker 1: that they want that. They can want whatever they want.

2396
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:39,400
Speaker 1: I think realistically it's gonna be a third and maybe

2397
01:50:39,439 --> 01:50:42,960
Speaker 1: something else. He's also gonna want a contract extension. If

2398
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:45,360
Speaker 1: it's like a third and you signed him for two years,

2399
01:50:46,160 --> 01:50:49,120
Speaker 1: I would probably do that. Yeah, but it's not gonna happen.

2400
01:50:49,160 --> 01:50:52,559
Speaker 2: You win, which is not hard with wide receivers. It's

2401
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:54,360
Speaker 2: it's not hard to convince me to trade for a

2402
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:58,280
Speaker 2: wide receiver. I just I just want I don't think

2403
01:50:58,280 --> 01:50:59,480
Speaker 2: it's a good marriage.

2404
01:50:59,320 --> 01:51:01,720
Speaker 1: Like, it's not it doesn't matter because he's not coming

2405
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 1: here right whatever they want, He's trying to get away

2406
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:06,240
Speaker 1: from quarterback instability.

2407
01:51:06,479 --> 01:51:09,120
Speaker 2: What I would say, though, if I'm Elliot Wolf, because

2408
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:11,160
Speaker 2: you have to make the call, if you're the page,

2409
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:14,040
Speaker 2: they should one make the call. Do I put the

2410
01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:16,360
Speaker 2: Matthew judea On third round pick on the table.

2411
01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:18,679
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, and to anybody listening,

2412
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:20,599
Speaker 1: ask yourself this, because I had this conversation with somebody

2413
01:51:20,600 --> 01:51:22,880
Speaker 1: the other day to say, third round pick, that's ridiculous.

2414
01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:26,679
Speaker 1: If I had brought up in July, you can trade

2415
01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:30,519
Speaker 1: Matthew jude On for DeVante Adams. Yeah, I think it

2416
01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:34,080
Speaker 1: would have been yess across the board. Yeah, this is

2417
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:35,800
Speaker 1: just doing that with this is essentially just making that

2418
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 1: a three team trade. You know me, I am an

2419
01:51:38,240 --> 01:51:40,720
Speaker 1: FM picks kind of guy. Yeah, especially.

2420
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:44,240
Speaker 2: You're not trading your first round pick this year. I'll

2421
01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:46,320
Speaker 2: even allow for the fact that you're not trading your

2422
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:51,200
Speaker 2: second round pick because until April, because we're talking not

2423
01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:53,719
Speaker 2: until March. We're talking about that being like the third

2424
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:56,320
Speaker 2: and the thirty fifth overall pick in the draft. Those

2425
01:51:56,400 --> 01:51:59,840
Speaker 2: are two picks that should be legitimate pillar players this team.

2426
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:02,559
Speaker 2: You're not trading it until you know exactly what pick

2427
01:52:02,640 --> 01:52:04,560
Speaker 2: it is. Yeah, that like if they trade it for

2428
01:52:04,640 --> 01:52:06,600
Speaker 2: DK Metcalf, I'm on the record, I'm on board with that.

2429
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:08,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, but with that being said, once you get

2430
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:10,200
Speaker 2: into the third round of the draft, and I know

2431
01:52:10,360 --> 01:52:14,479
Speaker 2: that you could say, okay, like you know, Chase Winovich

2432
01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:16,960
Speaker 2: was a third round pick and so was Fred Warner Evan, Like,

2433
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:18,760
Speaker 2: you know, we could play this game all day, right,

2434
01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:23,360
Speaker 2: but the on the whole really go back and look

2435
01:52:23,439 --> 01:52:25,000
Speaker 2: at the guys that get drafted in the third and

2436
01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:27,599
Speaker 2: fourth round of the draft. Like it's sometimes I feel

2437
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:29,559
Speaker 2: like we just value the pick a little bit too much.

2438
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:34,599
Speaker 2: Like you're really talking about maybe twenty twenty five percent

2439
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:37,120
Speaker 2: hit rate on a third round pick, and hit rate

2440
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:39,160
Speaker 2: is like a loose term that I use. Like the

2441
01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:41,200
Speaker 2: amount of times that that third round pick turns into

2442
01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:42,320
Speaker 2: Fred Warner is one.

2443
01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:45,080
Speaker 1: In ten, right, You're you're I'd say a lot longer

2444
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:47,080
Speaker 1: than a lot longer odds than that. But you know,

2445
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:49,720
Speaker 1: if you can get two years of DeVante Adams, even

2446
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:51,599
Speaker 1: if he's eighty percent of the player he's been, that's

2447
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:55,120
Speaker 1: eighty catches eight hundred yards for a third round pick

2448
01:52:55,560 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 1: when you have two of them.

2449
01:52:57,400 --> 01:53:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, let's talk a little like I

2450
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:02,760
Speaker 2: do want to ask, he said, He asked one other thing.

2451
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:07,840
Speaker 2: Oh it's Adams. Oh it's something about Drake Mayo.

2452
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:10,320
Speaker 1: Oh why don't you just say you're starting Jakober set

2453
01:53:10,479 --> 01:53:13,000
Speaker 1: then say then start Drake made it catch the team

2454
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:16,759
Speaker 1: off guard. I think the whole keeping the starting quarterback

2455
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:19,759
Speaker 1: a secret thing is one of the most overblown concepts

2456
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:22,960
Speaker 1: in football. The offense is the offense. You're gonna have

2457
01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:25,800
Speaker 1: to defend the same concepts. It's just to what level

2458
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:30,280
Speaker 1: they can be executed. But like, if the guy's executing

2459
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:32,040
Speaker 1: at a high level, like you should be prepared to

2460
01:53:32,040 --> 01:53:34,560
Speaker 1: stop him at the highest level no matter what. So

2461
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:40,439
Speaker 1: I got I just that's not a good reason to no.

2462
01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 1: Make Drake may the starter. When you make Drake may

2463
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:44,240
Speaker 1: the starter, do it, do it with your whole chest.

2464
01:53:44,439 --> 01:53:48,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, just one quick thing, because I I'm not

2465
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:50,760
Speaker 2: afraid to be critical of Mayo. I was critical of

2466
01:53:50,840 --> 01:53:53,240
Speaker 2: Mayo for the whole first hour of the show, But

2467
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 2: on Sunday I saw a lot of this, and I

2468
01:53:56,240 --> 01:53:59,000
Speaker 2: guess it's probably just my timeline and the cesspool that

2469
01:53:59,160 --> 01:54:02,080
Speaker 2: is the X Machine every once in a while. But

2470
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:06,599
Speaker 2: Mayo told Scott Zolac on the pregame show on your station,

2471
01:54:07,200 --> 01:54:10,080
Speaker 2: like twenty minutes before the game that they were gonna

2472
01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:12,280
Speaker 2: run a lot of short passes, quick game, get the

2473
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:14,960
Speaker 2: ball out. Why would you tell the other team that

2474
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:18,559
Speaker 2: that's ridiculous? So you're telling me that, I think it's

2475
01:54:18,680 --> 01:54:21,280
Speaker 2: Nick Sorenson, the defensive coordinator for the forty nine ers,

2476
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:25,120
Speaker 2: and Kyle Shanahan and your boy Brandon Staley in twenty

2477
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:28,439
Speaker 2: minutes are gonna take the game plan that they came

2478
01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:32,480
Speaker 2: in with and completely reinvent the game plan in twenty

2479
01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:35,040
Speaker 2: minutes because of what Girod said to Scott Zolac, Like,

2480
01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:37,720
Speaker 2: what are we doing If they're good coaches who know

2481
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:39,760
Speaker 2: how to game plan, which give them the list? Okay,

2482
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:41,760
Speaker 2: but yeah, if they're good coaches who know what a

2483
01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:45,320
Speaker 2: game plan, they probably should have known that was gonna

2484
01:54:45,320 --> 01:54:48,760
Speaker 2: be the game play anyway, that was anything mind blowing. Also, no,

2485
01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:50,520
Speaker 2: because I saw this too and I was annoya, Yeah,

2486
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:53,200
Speaker 2: drawn my own van Pelt told us that was gonna

2487
01:54:53,200 --> 01:54:56,200
Speaker 2: be the game plan on Monday. Yeah, it was out

2488
01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:56,840
Speaker 2: there for a week.

2489
01:54:57,000 --> 01:55:00,400
Speaker 1: It's just also just not how with Brandon Staley. Yeah,

2490
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:02,240
Speaker 1: maybe you got to tell him a few times before

2491
01:55:02,280 --> 01:55:03,360
Speaker 1: he gets it, Brent Day.

2492
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 2: It's just not how it works. Yeah, it's not tell

2493
01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:10,000
Speaker 2: you tell a broadcaster or twenty minutes before the game.

2494
01:55:10,240 --> 01:55:13,240
Speaker 2: You're not giving away any state secrets. You're not giving

2495
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:15,760
Speaker 2: away which, by the way, again they've already said earlier

2496
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:19,320
Speaker 2: in the week. Yeah quickly on the Dolphins, Yeah, uh,

2497
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:23,840
Speaker 2: just my quick dolphins R. I know the Dolphins are

2498
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:27,360
Speaker 2: right now in disarray. I know you hated my take

2499
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:29,400
Speaker 2: that I gave earlier in the show about Drake May

2500
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:30,200
Speaker 2: playing in this game.

2501
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:32,640
Speaker 1: Well, it was him playing in the game and then

2502
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:33,720
Speaker 1: benching him again.

2503
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:35,760
Speaker 2: I didn't say that they had to bench him again.

2504
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:38,240
Speaker 2: I said that they could still bench him. I don't.

2505
01:55:39,120 --> 01:55:43,000
Speaker 2: We don't need to get into it again. My one

2506
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:46,120
Speaker 2: fear about this game from a Patriot perspective, I have

2507
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:50,080
Speaker 2: to but on offense, the Dolphins offense. I watched their

2508
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:55,200
Speaker 2: film against Tennessee with with scoop right, Scoop Hunley, Scoop poop.

2509
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:55,920
Speaker 1: I think it's snoop.

2510
01:55:55,960 --> 01:55:58,760
Speaker 2: I think it's Scoop, Snoop, Scoop. We're terrible.

2511
01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:01,920
Speaker 1: It's snoop, Tyler Huntley, It's Snoop. I just looked it

2512
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:04,640
Speaker 1: up and Snoop Snoop Huntley. Maybe Scoop would be a

2513
01:56:04,720 --> 01:56:06,680
Speaker 1: terrible name for quarterback, maybe like a linebacker.

2514
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:08,560
Speaker 2: I know, I think it's a terrible name either.

2515
01:56:08,720 --> 01:56:10,320
Speaker 1: Didn't the Patriots that was Scooby.

2516
01:56:10,360 --> 01:56:13,600
Speaker 2: They had Scooby right, Scooby right, So you I think

2517
01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:17,560
Speaker 2: like UFL also Snoop Huntley, SFL all start and champion.

2518
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:20,120
Speaker 2: So my my one fear about this game coming off

2519
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:22,920
Speaker 2: a game where you give up five explosive plays to

2520
01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:26,040
Speaker 2: the San Francisco forty nine ers, this is obviously one

2521
01:56:26,040 --> 01:56:28,600
Speaker 2: of the most explosive offenses in the NFL. I get

2522
01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:30,680
Speaker 2: they don't have their quarterback. I get that they have

2523
01:56:30,840 --> 01:56:32,520
Speaker 2: Snoop Huntley now.

2524
01:56:32,440 --> 01:56:34,640
Speaker 1: A Bowl or Snoop Puntley's in respect on his Okay,

2525
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:38,400
Speaker 1: he was seventeenth, he was there with Mac John.

2526
01:56:39,400 --> 01:56:41,880
Speaker 2: Snoop Puntley is that quarterback? Not to U I get

2527
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:44,040
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. But you watch their film

2528
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:47,080
Speaker 2: against Tennessee, and if I was DeMarcus coming into Rod

2529
01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:49,320
Speaker 2: Mayo and Comington said this this morning, I'll give him credit.

2530
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:52,600
Speaker 2: I think he probably did do this. Just put a

2531
01:56:52,680 --> 01:56:55,200
Speaker 2: cut up of all the times that Tyreek Kill has

2532
01:56:55,240 --> 01:56:59,440
Speaker 2: opened down the field in that game, you know, just verticals.

2533
01:56:59,680 --> 01:57:02,200
Speaker 2: You know, they play cover three. He just runs right

2534
01:57:02,280 --> 01:57:05,320
Speaker 2: through the defense right like, and he's open it. Just

2535
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:09,240
Speaker 2: somehow Snoop Huntley overthrew Tyreek Kill, which I still don't

2536
01:57:09,240 --> 01:57:11,840
Speaker 2: really understand how you do, but he did. He figured

2537
01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:14,640
Speaker 2: it out. So my point being is my fear about

2538
01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:18,160
Speaker 2: this game defensively for the Patriots is that the plays

2539
01:57:18,840 --> 01:57:21,800
Speaker 2: are there to be made by this Dolphins offense. The

2540
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:25,160
Speaker 2: execution in the timing is not there because of the quarterback.

2541
01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:28,240
Speaker 2: Right so all it takes is the blind squirrel finding

2542
01:57:28,280 --> 01:57:30,560
Speaker 2: a nut once or twice in this game, and all

2543
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:32,360
Speaker 2: of a sudden you're down fourteen to nothing because he

2544
01:57:32,440 --> 01:57:35,920
Speaker 2: hit two sixty yard bombs to Tyreek Kill. The opportunities

2545
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:38,080
Speaker 2: are still there on film for this offense to hit

2546
01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:41,120
Speaker 2: big plays. They're just not running it like they usually

2547
01:57:41,200 --> 01:57:44,160
Speaker 2: run it. I know you're gonna probably hate this, but

2548
01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:48,000
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily see this as like a McDaniel problem necessarily,

2549
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:52,360
Speaker 2: but I definitely see this as a quarterback timing issue

2550
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:55,640
Speaker 2: with the receivers don't fall asleep at the wheel against

2551
01:57:55,680 --> 01:57:56,080
Speaker 2: this Miami.

2552
01:57:56,160 --> 01:57:56,320
Speaker 6: Well.

2553
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:59,880
Speaker 1: McDaniel's so brilliant, make it work. How many bad quarter

2554
01:58:00,120 --> 01:58:02,000
Speaker 1: backs as Kyle Shanahan.

2555
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:03,640
Speaker 2: Won with to an extent, I just love that.

2556
01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:06,000
Speaker 1: That just backdoored you well, I said, I said, to

2557
01:58:06,120 --> 01:58:08,840
Speaker 1: an extent, Kyle Shanahan's never been this bad. No, and

2558
01:58:08,920 --> 01:58:12,800
Speaker 1: Shanahan's better than me. You have knockoff Shanahan essentially, so.

2559
01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:15,960
Speaker 2: To me, Yeah, the big.

2560
01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:18,960
Speaker 1: Plays scare me because they only need to hit one

2561
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:20,400
Speaker 1: of them probably to win this game.

2562
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 2: And I was saying this to Uh.

2563
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:24,840
Speaker 1: I was talking about what we were walking out of practice. Yeah,

2564
01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:28,600
Speaker 1: there's a there's gonna be turnovers in this game. Yeah,

2565
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:32,240
Speaker 1: defensive points. If a defense scores a touchdown, the team

2566
01:58:32,240 --> 01:58:35,240
Speaker 1: probably wins this game. If not, we won't see a tie.

2567
01:58:35,400 --> 01:58:38,240
Speaker 1: Like I I, it's gonna be low scoring, zero zero

2568
01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:42,680
Speaker 1: leather helmets. It's gonna be low scoring. There's I would

2569
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:46,520
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a very very thin margin for error.

2570
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:48,640
Speaker 1: And I know that kind of sounds weird because it's

2571
01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:50,480
Speaker 1: usually like, no, you have a thin margin forrer when

2572
01:58:50,480 --> 01:58:54,200
Speaker 1: you play good team. I'm talking about offensively. Defensively you

2573
01:58:54,240 --> 01:58:58,040
Speaker 1: have more margin forrer. But yeah, if this defense needs

2574
01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:00,200
Speaker 1: to start forcing turnovers, and I know they did last

2575
01:59:00,240 --> 01:59:02,160
Speaker 1: week it was late in the game. Yeah, they need

2576
01:59:02,240 --> 01:59:05,440
Speaker 1: to start forcing turnovers short fields if not points on

2577
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:08,240
Speaker 1: the board. Turnovers are on im portant every week, but

2578
01:59:08,280 --> 01:59:10,280
Speaker 1: I think this week especially they matter. And again if

2579
01:59:10,280 --> 01:59:13,520
Speaker 1: a defense scores, My bet is that team wins the

2580
01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:15,760
Speaker 1: game if a defense puts points on the board in

2581
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:17,920
Speaker 1: this one. So, I think you don't get beat deep.

2582
01:59:18,240 --> 01:59:20,480
Speaker 1: I think you play ben, don't break, and you force

2583
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:24,040
Speaker 1: Tyler Huntley to be a surgeon in the red zone. Yeah,

2584
01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:26,400
Speaker 1: but don't let him break contain because he can. He

2585
01:59:26,440 --> 01:59:28,000
Speaker 1: can break a sixty yard run and that kind of

2586
01:59:28,040 --> 01:59:29,040
Speaker 1: thing can turn out the game too.

2587
01:59:29,280 --> 01:59:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a little bit, I agree with you that

2588
01:59:32,640 --> 01:59:35,480
Speaker 2: they this should be the Patriots should be forcing them

2589
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:37,000
Speaker 2: to march. You have to be at death by a

2590
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:39,520
Speaker 2: thousand paper cuts if you're gonna beat us, snap the

2591
01:59:39,560 --> 01:59:43,440
Speaker 2: ball a bunch, march the field. That means playing discipline football. Yeah.

2592
01:59:44,040 --> 01:59:48,360
Speaker 2: They Miami also motions more than any other team in

2593
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:51,640
Speaker 2: the league. They love to run motion at the snap.

2594
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:53,480
Speaker 2: They run that at the second highest rate. They run

2595
01:59:53,560 --> 01:59:57,200
Speaker 2: all pure motion across the board at the highest rate

2596
01:59:57,240 --> 01:59:59,520
Speaker 2: in the league. Almost eighty five percent of their offensive

2597
01:59:59,560 --> 02:00:04,320
Speaker 2: place motion of some sort, which is ridiculous. If I'm

2598
02:00:04,360 --> 02:00:09,600
Speaker 2: the Patriots defensively, I'm looking at this and seeing Christian

2599
02:00:09,720 --> 02:00:12,560
Speaker 2: Zales and Jonathan Jones on the outside, Marcus Jones in

2600
02:00:12,600 --> 02:00:15,400
Speaker 2: the slot, and this matchup actually can work, right, Yeah,

2601
02:00:16,160 --> 02:00:18,160
Speaker 2: I have three guys that can run with those guys

2602
02:00:18,200 --> 02:00:21,120
Speaker 2: down the field. I don't know if this is necessarily

2603
02:00:21,200 --> 02:00:24,320
Speaker 2: a game where you shadow or travel with a specific receiver,

2604
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:28,520
Speaker 2: allow them to window dress, eye candy all they want

2605
02:00:28,640 --> 02:00:31,480
Speaker 2: with all their silly little motions, and just let them

2606
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:33,200
Speaker 2: come out the side they come out of right, and

2607
02:00:33,400 --> 02:00:35,880
Speaker 2: just yeah, match the guy that comes into your zone

2608
02:00:36,280 --> 02:00:39,680
Speaker 2: and play it like that. I wouldn't go and have

2609
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:43,160
Speaker 2: Gonzo chasing Hill across the field and then Hill runs

2610
02:00:43,200 --> 02:00:45,920
Speaker 2: on Thomas Rout and you're in chase mode the whole time.

2611
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:48,440
Speaker 1: Do you put John Jones on Tyreek Hill and man

2612
02:00:49,200 --> 02:00:51,240
Speaker 1: and you're better with terminology and I always forget what

2613
02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:54,520
Speaker 1: he's called, but you put John Jones shadow man on

2614
02:00:54,640 --> 02:00:57,600
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, and everybody plays zone around that. So you

2615
02:00:57,800 --> 02:00:59,960
Speaker 1: make sure Hill's accounted for with the guy that's history

2616
02:01:00,280 --> 02:01:02,200
Speaker 1: had a lot of success against him, and then everybody

2617
02:01:02,240 --> 02:01:03,600
Speaker 1: else is just make sure we have the rest of

2618
02:01:03,640 --> 02:01:04,280
Speaker 1: the field covered.

2619
02:01:04,600 --> 02:01:08,080
Speaker 2: So against Kansas City in the ANFC Championship game all

2620
02:01:08,120 --> 02:01:10,760
Speaker 2: those years ago in twenty eight team the call that

2621
02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:15,680
Speaker 2: they ran with Tyreek Kill dimod magic cover zero. Now

2622
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:19,760
Speaker 2: it's not pure cover zero. They what they would have

2623
02:01:19,960 --> 02:01:22,920
Speaker 2: is they would have Devin mccordy would cloud to Tyree

2624
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:26,080
Speaker 2: Kill's side, so he would like be like the over

2625
02:01:26,200 --> 02:01:28,880
Speaker 2: the top player, the double team on Tyreek' side. You

2626
02:01:28,920 --> 02:01:31,560
Speaker 2: don't want to bracket or cone Tyreek because he's just

2627
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:33,320
Speaker 2: going to run right through the middle of it. You

2628
02:01:33,400 --> 02:01:35,200
Speaker 2: want to high low Tyreek Kill, so you have a

2629
02:01:35,280 --> 02:01:37,080
Speaker 2: guy on him underneath, and you have a guy over

2630
02:01:37,120 --> 02:01:39,160
Speaker 2: the top of that player. So they would do that,

2631
02:01:39,320 --> 02:01:41,440
Speaker 2: and then everybody else on the field is just in

2632
02:01:41,560 --> 02:01:44,360
Speaker 2: straight up man to man without safety help. You're in

2633
02:01:44,440 --> 02:01:47,680
Speaker 2: cover zero. Everywhere else they could do something like that.

2634
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:49,080
Speaker 2: They have done stuff like that.

2635
02:01:49,200 --> 02:01:51,160
Speaker 1: Because now you're in man and you have to pass off.

2636
02:01:51,560 --> 02:01:54,680
Speaker 2: I'm saying just like so, they they've also played cloud right,

2637
02:01:54,760 --> 02:01:58,320
Speaker 2: so three cloud would be like you'd have a defender

2638
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:00,760
Speaker 2: on the line of scrimmage. Usually they would do it

2639
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:03,440
Speaker 2: with Jabriel Peppers and they would just have Jabriel Peppers

2640
02:02:03,680 --> 02:02:06,080
Speaker 2: chuck the crap out of them at the line of scrimmage,

2641
02:02:06,360 --> 02:02:08,680
Speaker 2: and then he would let him go after he released,

2642
02:02:08,920 --> 02:02:11,200
Speaker 2: and then Gonzo would pick him up like eight to

2643
02:02:11,320 --> 02:02:13,800
Speaker 2: ten yards off the line of scrimmage, but he would

2644
02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:15,840
Speaker 2: already have been slowed by the jam at the line.

2645
02:02:15,880 --> 02:02:16,520
Speaker 1: But you can't do that.

2646
02:02:16,640 --> 02:02:19,200
Speaker 2: He's in motion though, So that's the problem with the motions.

2647
02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:21,960
Speaker 2: So that's why I feel like if they just let

2648
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:24,160
Speaker 2: him come out whichever side he's gonna come out of,

2649
02:02:24,520 --> 02:02:27,120
Speaker 2: and then just catch him down the field, you know,

2650
02:02:27,200 --> 02:02:30,120
Speaker 2: by playing off coverage with him, like if you're if snow,

2651
02:02:30,200 --> 02:02:33,080
Speaker 2: Puntley's gonna beat you throwing like little crossers and slants

2652
02:02:33,120 --> 02:02:35,200
Speaker 2: and stuff like that because you're playing off Like that's

2653
02:02:35,200 --> 02:02:37,640
Speaker 2: what Tua would do, right, But I don't really trust

2654
02:02:37,720 --> 02:02:38,440
Speaker 2: new Puntley.

2655
02:02:38,200 --> 02:02:39,880
Speaker 1: To do making keep making through I get. I don't know,

2656
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:41,560
Speaker 1: just almost like spying Tyreek Hill.

2657
02:02:41,640 --> 02:02:45,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would do something like that. Yeah, offensively. Anthony

2658
02:02:45,880 --> 02:02:52,280
Speaker 2: Weaver is a Raven's disciple McDonald guy with the Baltimore Ravens.

2659
02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:57,080
Speaker 2: They can pressure now. They lost Jalen Phillips, but they

2660
02:02:57,160 --> 02:03:00,320
Speaker 2: have Zach Steeler, who's like a really underrated play on

2661
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:03,240
Speaker 2: their interior, really good player. It doesn't get a ton

2662
02:03:03,280 --> 02:03:07,320
Speaker 2: of National pub Kalais Campbell obviously is not a Miami Dolphin.

2663
02:03:07,400 --> 02:03:11,480
Speaker 2: He's still doing his thing. And Emmanuel Agba is like

2664
02:03:11,800 --> 02:03:15,640
Speaker 2: a really solid, well rounded football player. He's not a

2665
02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:18,720
Speaker 2: twitchy athlete like Phillips's. He kind of reminds me a

2666
02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:21,800
Speaker 2: little bit of Dietrich wise, like just long arm, physical,

2667
02:03:21,960 --> 02:03:26,440
Speaker 2: heavy guy, discipline player. He's really good too. They can

2668
02:03:26,600 --> 02:03:29,280
Speaker 2: pressure and they can man pressure, and they probably will

2669
02:03:29,720 --> 02:03:32,400
Speaker 2: on Sunday against the Patriots and go with the same

2670
02:03:32,520 --> 02:03:36,640
Speaker 2: book or the blueprint. The Jets, the Niners, they do

2671
02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:39,600
Speaker 2: use the same blueprint. They blintched a ton, They played

2672
02:03:39,680 --> 02:03:43,360
Speaker 2: Manta Man. They forced the ball outside the numbers, you know,

2673
02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:46,200
Speaker 2: funnel it outside, make them beat us quick, made them,

2674
02:03:46,240 --> 02:03:49,000
Speaker 2: make them beat us and block us. I assume that's

2675
02:03:49,040 --> 02:03:51,360
Speaker 2: what Miami is gonna do as well. I assume it's

2676
02:03:51,400 --> 02:03:54,920
Speaker 2: gonna be pretty successful. To be honest with you, I

2677
02:03:55,000 --> 02:03:57,280
Speaker 2: don't know what the Patriots do the way.

2678
02:03:57,280 --> 02:04:00,480
Speaker 1: They literally just signed Tyas Bowser, okay, so they know

2679
02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:01,879
Speaker 1: the guy that can get after the quarterback.

2680
02:04:01,960 --> 02:04:04,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what the Patriots are going to do

2681
02:04:04,240 --> 02:04:08,720
Speaker 2: to get teams out of the blueprint that they're currently in.

2682
02:04:09,320 --> 02:04:12,360
Speaker 2: They're facing the number one rate in the league of

2683
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:16,680
Speaker 2: single high defensive structure like cover one, cover three, post safety,

2684
02:04:17,120 --> 02:04:19,600
Speaker 2: seven to eight guys in the box, blitz a ton,

2685
02:04:20,400 --> 02:04:23,680
Speaker 2: pressure a ton, man coverage a ton like. I don't

2686
02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:25,560
Speaker 2: know how you get teams out of that with their

2687
02:04:25,600 --> 02:04:29,760
Speaker 2: current personnel. But that's a VP, right Like. He's got

2688
02:04:29,840 --> 02:04:31,960
Speaker 2: to figure out a way because right now, you're not

2689
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:33,600
Speaker 2: going to be able to run the ball against the

2690
02:04:33,680 --> 02:04:36,960
Speaker 2: boxes in the counts that they're seeing very successfully. Unless

2691
02:04:37,120 --> 02:04:40,040
Speaker 2: 'm Andre who's fumbling every game, goes beast mode like

2692
02:04:40,120 --> 02:04:42,240
Speaker 2: he did in Week one, you're not going to be

2693
02:04:42,280 --> 02:04:44,280
Speaker 2: able to do run the ball a whole lot. I

2694
02:04:44,360 --> 02:04:47,640
Speaker 2: don't know where they go offensively defensively, I think they

2695
02:04:47,680 --> 02:04:50,360
Speaker 2: have some answers, especially with a backup quarterback in there.

2696
02:04:51,000 --> 02:04:53,680
Speaker 2: They were all predicting a rock fight on Sunday. It

2697
02:04:53,800 --> 02:04:56,840
Speaker 2: sounds like you're in the same boat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, much.

2698
02:04:57,160 --> 02:05:00,680
Speaker 2: All right, one quick email before we because this is

2699
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:04,440
Speaker 2: this is topical. So Eric emails in and he says

2700
02:05:04,480 --> 02:05:07,600
Speaker 2: that he works for a company. I get this that

2701
02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:09,720
Speaker 2: makes digital whiteboard apps.

2702
02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:12,440
Speaker 1: Oh, here we go.

2703
02:05:12,680 --> 02:05:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a digital whiteboard, so we could probably

2704
02:05:15,480 --> 02:05:18,240
Speaker 2: do it right here on the tablet, and he said

2705
02:05:18,280 --> 02:05:21,680
Speaker 2: that he is a big fan of the show and

2706
02:05:22,120 --> 02:05:24,600
Speaker 2: is willing to give us a free account to make

2707
02:05:24,680 --> 02:05:25,120
Speaker 2: this happen.

2708
02:05:25,280 --> 02:05:26,960
Speaker 1: We may need to put this now. The problem is

2709
02:05:27,240 --> 02:05:28,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people also just listen audibly.

2710
02:05:29,800 --> 02:05:34,280
Speaker 2: Yes, so we yes, we're serving the the YouTube body

2711
02:05:34,320 --> 02:05:35,880
Speaker 2: and so no, you would just have to be able

2712
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:37,720
Speaker 2: to describe what's going on as you do. Maybe I

2713
02:05:37,720 --> 02:05:39,360
Speaker 2: could do a little play by play, or I would

2714
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:41,000
Speaker 2: all you're right, and you'd have to remind me to

2715
02:05:41,080 --> 02:05:43,560
Speaker 2: say sorry to the listening on it, to pull a

2716
02:05:43,640 --> 02:05:47,120
Speaker 2: Colin Coward and say, I know only the people watching

2717
02:05:47,160 --> 02:05:49,800
Speaker 2: on TV can see this graphic, but here's this graphic

2718
02:05:49,880 --> 02:05:50,360
Speaker 2: that I made.

2719
02:05:50,960 --> 02:05:53,360
Speaker 1: So maybe we need to get that hooked up to

2720
02:05:53,400 --> 02:05:55,400
Speaker 1: the YouTube or could we just project it behind us.

2721
02:05:55,560 --> 02:05:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll figure it out.

2722
02:05:56,760 --> 02:05:59,480
Speaker 1: Okay, But we have another email about like Kelvin Banks

2723
02:05:59,600 --> 02:05:59,880
Speaker 1: or something.

2724
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:01,800
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, of course you want to get to that.

2725
02:06:02,120 --> 02:06:04,520
Speaker 2: I'll let you have this one the email are asked,

2726
02:06:04,560 --> 02:06:07,000
Speaker 2: and sorry, I'll I can't find out. I'll find out

2727
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:09,280
Speaker 2: when you're talking to get the emailer's name. But he

2728
02:06:09,400 --> 02:06:12,280
Speaker 2: asked that he's seeing a lot of mock drafts that

2729
02:06:12,400 --> 02:06:16,000
Speaker 2: are flipping the two of them now, and well, Calvin

2730
02:06:16,040 --> 02:06:17,720
Speaker 2: Banks has moved ahead of Will Campbell.

2731
02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:20,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so a couple of reasons for that. I think

2732
02:06:20,520 --> 02:06:24,240
Speaker 1: there is concern about arm length. Arm length with Will Campbell.

2733
02:06:24,680 --> 02:06:27,280
Speaker 1: Jim Naggy had it at thirty two and seven eighths,

2734
02:06:27,320 --> 02:06:28,960
Speaker 1: which would be just under the threshold.

2735
02:06:29,040 --> 02:06:30,000
Speaker 2: Now you may not care.

2736
02:06:31,440 --> 02:06:34,160
Speaker 1: Who is the guy. The threshold was thirty four and

2737
02:06:34,240 --> 02:06:36,240
Speaker 1: then he was at thirty three and they were just like, nope,

2738
02:06:36,280 --> 02:06:38,920
Speaker 1: he's a good tackle for Shawn all right, so maybe

2739
02:06:39,000 --> 02:06:42,280
Speaker 1: he resets the threshold again. The other thing is Will

2740
02:06:42,400 --> 02:06:45,240
Speaker 1: Campbell is five penalties in five games. Four of them

2741
02:06:45,280 --> 02:06:47,240
Speaker 1: are false starts. Not all of those are on the road.

2742
02:06:48,000 --> 02:06:50,120
Speaker 1: And look, they've both been very good. I'd be happy

2743
02:06:50,200 --> 02:06:53,280
Speaker 1: with either, but when it is that narrow, you're going

2744
02:06:53,320 --> 02:06:56,800
Speaker 1: to look at things like penalties, and Calvin Banks has

2745
02:06:56,800 --> 02:07:00,440
Speaker 1: been clean. He also played better against Michigan Campbell did

2746
02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:03,600
Speaker 1: against South Carolina. That's each team, basically is each player

2747
02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:08,080
Speaker 1: basically is one marquee matchup. I mean, Campbell played Florida

2748
02:07:08,120 --> 02:07:10,800
Speaker 1: State two and held up well there, But that doesn't

2749
02:07:10,800 --> 02:07:13,120
Speaker 1: surprise me these guys. It's gonna be Drake May, Jane

2750
02:07:13,200 --> 02:07:14,800
Speaker 1: Daniels all over again just to tackle.

2751
02:07:15,160 --> 02:07:19,440
Speaker 2: So this is Nicholas asked this question. I haven't studied

2752
02:07:19,480 --> 02:07:23,160
Speaker 2: these guys. This is gonna happen though, because last year

2753
02:07:23,600 --> 02:07:26,400
Speaker 2: it was around November that I threw on the first

2754
02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:28,880
Speaker 2: Drake May tape. I think I was in Denver and

2755
02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:32,720
Speaker 2: was probably texting you like, can we draft this guy now? Please?

2756
02:07:33,600 --> 02:07:35,600
Speaker 2: And I think it was around November that I threw

2757
02:07:35,640 --> 02:07:38,760
Speaker 2: on the first Drake May tape. So it's coming. It's coming, folks,

2758
02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:42,440
Speaker 2: I'm sure I will. I haven't watched them closely enough

2759
02:07:42,520 --> 02:07:44,240
Speaker 2: yet to have a take on, like which one I

2760
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:47,640
Speaker 2: liked better. I liked Will Campbell's tape last year better

2761
02:07:47,720 --> 02:07:50,360
Speaker 2: than Kelvin Banks's tape. That's what I've been going off of.

2762
02:07:50,680 --> 02:07:52,879
Speaker 2: But that was last year. We have more information.

2763
02:07:53,000 --> 02:07:54,480
Speaker 1: We also see the penalties on tape.

2764
02:07:54,640 --> 02:07:58,880
Speaker 2: To the arm length thing, it is a factor. It

2765
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:02,160
Speaker 2: will matter. Combine is gonna be big. You know, I'm

2766
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Speaker 2: gonna be there with the tape measure.

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Speaker 1: If he's at thirty two and seven, Ace, does he

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02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:08,120
Speaker 1: like have two friends pull on him before he goes

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02:08:08,160 --> 02:08:10,480
Speaker 1: to the measurement so can find another quarter inch?

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Speaker 2: So Rashaun Slater for the Chargers, Uh, he has exactly

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02:08:14,800 --> 02:08:18,720
Speaker 2: thirty three inch arms. Yeah, on the nose, he's fantastic.

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02:08:18,840 --> 02:08:22,720
Speaker 2: He's elite at left tackle. Yeah, So everybody has kind

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02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:27,400
Speaker 2: of redone their thought process there. This is gonna you're

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02:08:27,400 --> 02:08:31,040
Speaker 2: gonna hate this. It's right up your alley. The nerd

2775
02:08:31,280 --> 02:08:35,200
Speaker 2: side of things is trying to convince the football people

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02:08:35,800 --> 02:08:38,080
Speaker 2: that arm length is a myth, not a myth, but

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02:08:38,240 --> 02:08:40,320
Speaker 2: like doesn't matter as much. Like obviously, if a guy

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Speaker 2: is thirty one inch charms, he's not gonna play tackle.

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Speaker 1: But so for for reference, Peter Skorronsky was thirty two

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02:08:45,240 --> 02:08:45,919
Speaker 1: and a quarter.

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Speaker 2: Right, So thirty two and seven eights versus thirty three

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02:08:49,320 --> 02:08:51,800
Speaker 2: or thirty three and a half. The nerds would tell you,

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02:08:52,320 --> 02:08:54,480
Speaker 2: what are we talking about. We're talking about half an

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02:08:54,480 --> 02:08:56,440
Speaker 2: inch and now you're gonna move the guy inside the

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02:08:56,480 --> 02:08:58,960
Speaker 2: guard over half an inch of arm length, Like that's

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02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:01,640
Speaker 2: not gonna make a big differen And the football people

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02:09:01,720 --> 02:09:03,880
Speaker 2: and some of the football people in this organization that

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02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:07,240
Speaker 2: I've talked to, they they think it matters. Like I

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02:09:07,280 --> 02:09:10,720
Speaker 2: remember we were talking about Mike on Win who going

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02:09:10,840 --> 02:09:13,200
Speaker 2: and playing tackle and signing him as a tackle. The

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02:09:13,320 --> 02:09:15,400
Speaker 2: one thing that was pointed out to me by people

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02:09:15,480 --> 02:09:18,240
Speaker 2: here is that he actually has tackle length. If you

2793
02:09:18,280 --> 02:09:20,879
Speaker 2: look at his arms, he's over the thirty three inch threshold.

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02:09:21,360 --> 02:09:24,320
Speaker 2: So they do care about this kind of stuff here. Well.

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02:09:24,400 --> 02:09:26,520
Speaker 1: So all right, So, and it's one thing, like you said,

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Speaker 1: thirty two even thirty two and a half, thirty two

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02:09:28,640 --> 02:09:31,240
Speaker 1: and seven, a's talking about a quarter inch how much

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Speaker 1: g factor in So Slater's thirty three inch arms at

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Speaker 1: six y four? Yep, Campbell's listed again we'll see at

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Speaker 1: the combine. But Campbell's listed at sixty six, so he

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Speaker 1: has more. The proportions are different. Does that make sense

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02:09:42,680 --> 02:09:43,360
Speaker 1: to get what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I actually on one who has a thirty

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02:09:46,160 --> 02:09:48,680
Speaker 2: four and three Acey he clears it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But just even if they are thirty three, even if

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Speaker 1: Campbell comes into thirty three likes later, just thirty three

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02:09:54,720 --> 02:09:57,000
Speaker 1: at six six get viewed differently than thirty three at

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Speaker 1: sixty four.

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Speaker 2: It's different because like when you talk about height, the

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Speaker 2: two things that you look at with height are stride

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02:10:05,840 --> 02:10:08,640
Speaker 2: length is the biggest one. So like taller tackles, the

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02:10:08,720 --> 02:10:10,600
Speaker 2: advantage that they have is that they have they are

2813
02:10:10,720 --> 02:10:12,760
Speaker 2: their strides are longer, so when they kick out in

2814
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:15,120
Speaker 2: their pas set, they get more depth and they get

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02:10:15,200 --> 02:10:18,160
Speaker 2: they cover more ground with their steps. That's on when

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02:10:18,160 --> 02:10:20,600
Speaker 2: who's problem Like he has got the length, but he's

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02:10:20,640 --> 02:10:23,560
Speaker 2: only six two sixty three so his strides are smaller,

2818
02:10:23,640 --> 02:10:24,800
Speaker 2: so he doesn't cover the ground.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 2: The other issue though, is the Nate Soldier thing where

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02:10:27,920 --> 02:10:30,280
Speaker 2: you're too tall, right, and then you can't leverage and

2822
02:10:30,360 --> 02:10:32,400
Speaker 2: then you can't get underneath guys and stuff like that.

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02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:35,480
Speaker 2: So I would say it's different buckets length. You know

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02:10:35,640 --> 02:10:37,240
Speaker 2: arm length, and I know you know this, but I'm

2825
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:41,800
Speaker 2: just explaining it. Arm length is first contact, right first,

2826
02:10:41,880 --> 02:10:45,160
Speaker 2: meaningful contact is big. Not exposing your chest is big.

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02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:47,760
Speaker 2: So when you have long arms, you can keep guys

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02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:49,880
Speaker 2: at your fingertips and then you can keep guys out

2829
02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:51,280
Speaker 2: of your chest and now to your plate.

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Speaker 1: That's going to concern people about Campbell because he plays

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Speaker 1: relatively straight up.

2832
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Speaker 2: Now, it walks for him, at least the college level.

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Speaker 1: It works for me. He's in the SEC, but he

2834
02:11:00,040 --> 02:11:02,280
Speaker 1: plays more vertically than you probably coach a guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it'd be interesting to see what I see.

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Speaker 2: You know, obviously, I think Calvin Banks is more of

2837
02:11:07,200 --> 02:11:10,360
Speaker 2: that prototypical build for a tackle like He's gonna check

2838
02:11:10,400 --> 02:11:13,760
Speaker 2: all the threshold and stuff. I just from technically, from

2839
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Speaker 2: a technical perspective, I remember what I saw of Will

2840
02:11:17,120 --> 02:11:20,280
Speaker 2: Campbell was really really impressive. Not all that different than Scornsky,

2841
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:22,400
Speaker 2: you know, I know you brought him up earlier. It's

2842
02:11:22,440 --> 02:11:25,320
Speaker 2: not all that different. Scoronsky was just you could tell

2843
02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:27,040
Speaker 2: that that dude came out of the womb as an

2844
02:11:27,080 --> 02:11:29,240
Speaker 2: offensive lineman right like it was just in his blood.

2845
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Speaker 2: The technique was just so good. I think Campbell's in

2846
02:11:32,920 --> 02:11:35,720
Speaker 2: a similar boat. All right, that does it for this week,

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