1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: Talk about art imitating life. Wow, I couldn't believe it 2 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: when I heard the fact scenario. In this case, a 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: writer turned actress Aisling tuck her More Read guns down 4 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: her uncle, apparently in some type of an altercation about 5 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: money and property and a will shamee. Patrick Moore dies 6 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: there in the home after being gunned down by his niece. 7 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: But the twist is advancing time fast forward. She Read 8 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: then takes a role in a movie where she plays 9 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: a woman that guns down her victim eerily similar to 10 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: gunning down her own uncle. Talk about the past coming 11 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: back to haunt you. And in the wake of yet 12 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: another school shooting, this Florida high school student eighteen now 13 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: charged with soliciting murder after he posts online in an 14 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: Instagram post offering one hundred thousand dollars for somebody to 15 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: kill one of his teachers. Later, he says he's quote joking, Well, 16 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: I don't find it funny at all. This is crime Stories. 17 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. When the 18 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: foolmakers first held auditions, they say Read went by the 19 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: name win Read, concealing her true identity. They say she 20 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: nailed the audition, showing genuine emotion that felt real. But 21 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: knowing what they know now, they say they never would 22 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: have cast her. That's part of the accusations. That really 23 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: is part of the nightmare, is that we knowingly cast 24 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: this person to take advantage of this horrible situation. And 25 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: I can say none of us wanted this. For two 26 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: Grants Past filmmakers the saying life imitates Art has turned 27 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: into a nightmare. Matthew Spickard and Justin Adams say they 28 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: cast a local actress who, as it turns out, has 29 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: a lot more in common with her character than they thought. 30 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: You could feel that she is in a really dangerous 31 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: position and she just handle it exactly how we wanted. 32 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: Aisling Tucker Moore Read, a Jacksonville writer who goes by 33 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: the pen named Tucker Read, was at the time of 34 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: the filming out on bail. She was charged with two 35 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: counts of manslaughter in the death of her uncle, Shane 36 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: Patrick Moore in July of twenty sixteen. This appeared to 37 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: be an intentional act and that she was angry during 38 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: this time. It wasn't until the last day of the 39 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: shoot in July of twenty eighteen that the men say 40 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: Reads Past was revealed we got the story that made her. 41 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: It painted her as a as a hero. Basically, did 42 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: a thirty year old actress gunned down her uncle the 43 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: same way as a murder in a horror movie she 44 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: just finished filming. I'm Nancy Grays, this is Crime Stories. 45 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, joining me an all 46 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: star panel. Wendy Patrick, renowned prosecutor out of California, James 47 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: shell Nutt metro major k SWAT officer now lawyer, doctor 48 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: Tim Gallagher the medical examiner in the state of Florida 49 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: right now. To Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Dave Matt, Okay, 50 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: I don't understand. So she is an actress, A sling 51 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: Tucker More read that's a mouthful. What's her real name? 52 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: Let's just go with that. What's her real name? As 53 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: ling Tucker More? A sling Tucker Yes? Okay, are you do? 54 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: You get it all out? Aisling Tucker More? Okay, let's 55 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: just go with Tucker more. Third year old female looks 56 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: like an actress. I mean, she looks like she could 57 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: star in a TV show or a movie. So she 58 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: films a horror movie, including a scene eerily similar to 59 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: the real life murder of her own uncle Patrick Moore. 60 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: Let's just start at the beginning. How was more killed? 61 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: From what we understand, the sixty three year old uncle 62 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: Shane Patrick Moore, was walking into one of the family 63 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: homes when he was gunned down. To Dave Matt Crime 64 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, what can you tell me 65 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: about Acelink Tucker more Read, the thirty year old writer 66 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: turned actress, tell me about the horror movie she was 67 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: starring in. It was an independent film and they put 68 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: out a casting call and she responded to it got 69 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: the part. The gentleman involved with writing and directing the 70 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,239 Speaker 1: film said that she seemed to really capture the character. 71 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: Didn't even have to act. It is an independent film, 72 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: it takes time to raise money. They actually want an 73 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: indie go go to try to raise the funding to 74 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: do the film to start with. In the day that 75 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: it rapped, or the day after they rapped shooting, is 76 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: when they found out the writer and producer director of 77 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: the film. That's when they found out the background of 78 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: their lead actress. This is what we know, aisling tuck 79 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: her more Read had just finished filming the role. The 80 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: title of the movie from the dark and she plays 81 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: the lead role of Valerie Fast. Now, the movie is 82 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: about a young tour guide at a lodge in an 83 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: Oregon forest celebrating her last day on the job when 84 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: things go sideways and take a senator turn. The very 85 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: day after she's done filming, she gets busted in connection 86 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: with the deadly shooting off her own uncle. Now we 87 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: also know that she was a one time reporter for 88 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: the Grants Past Daily Courier and for Cosmopolitan magazine. That's 89 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: the so called ladies magazine where there's always a scantily 90 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: clad woman on the front with a lot of black 91 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: eyeliner around her eyes. So no that police have obtained 92 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: video footage of the shooting. I want to go to you, 93 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick. You think that movie is going to be 94 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: played in front of a jury over and over and over. 95 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a mirror image of the shooting of 96 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: her own uncle, you know, Nancy. That had to make 97 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: it relevant. And that's one of the things that somebody 98 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: who's looking at the story for the first time might think, Well, 99 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: of course it's going to come into evidence. Of course 100 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: it's going to be played. They're going to drop parallels. 101 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: But there are just so many evidentiary hurdles, but she 102 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: gotta think this is so unique that perhaps there is 103 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: some theory under which the prosecutor can at least say, hey, 104 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: you know, any prejudice might go to wait, but it 105 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: is marginally relevant. Oh wait, and wow, what do you 106 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: mean marginally relevant, Wendy Patrick. She plays the role of 107 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: val very fast and commits a murder by shooting, and 108 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: then that very day, when the movie wraps, she guns 109 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: down her uncle in the very same way. But that's 110 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: the argument, Nancy. Now, I begin my career as a 111 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: defense attorney, and if I were to take that side 112 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: just for fun, what I would argue is, you know, 113 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: obviously it has to be a weighing of the prejudicial 114 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: and the probitive value. You would have to believe that 115 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: that and again, that's a great prosecution theory, and I 116 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: would hope that if it were my case, I would 117 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: win that argument. But that's what you'd be battling against, 118 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: that it is so prejudicial, partially because it's probably true. 119 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: It is so prejudicial that some defense attorney might get 120 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: in there and be able to persuade a judge that 121 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: unless a door is opened further, that it should be excluded, 122 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: hopefully not, but those are the two sides of the coin. 123 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: After shooting her uncle dead, she stars in this role 124 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: as a Valerie Fast Dave Mack. It seems bass ackwards. 125 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: So was she not ever charged in the shooting of 126 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: her uncle at the time, Yes, ma'am, she actually was charged. 127 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: And when you actually look at what happened the night 128 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: her uncle was shot, you have to realize that that 129 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: Aisley Tucker Moore Read was with her mother, the sister 130 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: of the victim here, and they were at a family 131 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: home discussing family matters and real estate issues, and there 132 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: was a problem with the uncle. As a matter of fact, 133 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:36,359 Speaker 1: the uncle who is the victim here, actually was awaiting 134 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: trial on attacking Aisling Tucker Moore Reid and her mother, 135 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: Kelly Read, And there was a long background of physical 136 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 1: emotional violence between the family members and so ultimately she 137 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: shoots him dead. Now let me understand this um was 138 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: the video recording of the actual shooting, Yes, ma'am. Because 139 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: of their past. Ainsley Tucker Moore Read actually had her 140 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: cell phone on as the uncle was coming into the home. 141 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: And when she was charged with two counts of manslaughter 142 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: at the very beginning. They arrested her immediately after the shooting, 143 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: like five hours later, and they thought they, being the 144 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: officials that investigated, thought it was self defense because that's 145 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: what the mother of Tucker Moore Reid said that it 146 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: was self defense. She filmed it, and then they hid 147 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: the phone. Her mother, Kelly Reid, who was formerly an 148 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: attorney in California, actually hid the phone. When police recovered 149 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: the phone, that's when everything changed in this case. So 150 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: there was the shooting, then the horror movie, and then 151 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: the arrest. Correct. Okay, straight out to doctor Tim Gallagher 152 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: and medical examer State of Florida. Doctor Gallagher, when you're 153 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: looking at a shoe victim, can you tell the angle, 154 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: the trajectory path, whether there are defensive wounds? I mean, 155 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: what about the body itself? Can tell you what happens? Oh? Absolutely, 156 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: And that's one of the major reasons why we do 157 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: these autopsies to determine that. We have to make sure 158 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: that the story does match the evidence presented on the body. 159 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: So if he did enter the house as she alleged, 160 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: and she shot him afterwards, we would expect the entrance 161 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: wound of the gunshot to be on the front of 162 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: his body and possibly an exit or a bullet recovery 163 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: on the back part of the body. So if anything 164 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: else is different than that, then we have to propose 165 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: another scenario as to what it actually happened. What do 166 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: you make of her claim, James Shell not twenty seven 167 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: years metro major case swat officer now lawyer. Her claim 168 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: of self defense. You know, she may have an argument 169 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: of self defense. You know, she had a protection from 170 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: abuse or against her uncle. She was inside, She didn't 171 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: go outside to confront him. The uncle was actually walking 172 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: into the house. You know, she's gonna argue, hey, I'm 173 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: a weaker female. You know this guy has been abusive before. 174 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: I had a court order. And the circumstances around that, 175 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: Nancy are going to be very important. You know, okay, 176 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: that the victim is shot in the chest, but you're 177 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: gonna have to take a close look at what was 178 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: that relationship. Was there a reason for her to fear him? 179 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: Was that use of force justifiable under those circumstances? And 180 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: you're really gonna have to take a close look and 181 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: put everything under a magnifying glass as it relates to 182 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: that situation and the relationship between us. There crime stories 183 00:11:51,679 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Months later, Agree Injury added a murder 184 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: charge after investigators found a video recording on Reid's cell 185 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: phone which ended with Reid pulling the trigger killing her uncle. 186 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: Once we saw a video, it was like, oh, the 187 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: entire story that we got was was completely fabricated. All 188 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: the more disturbing, the two say, is why Reid would 189 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: want to star in this film. There's a scene where 190 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: she shoots someone. There's also like this thing about manslaughter 191 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. It felt like she knew the 192 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: character more than actually we did in the end, saying, 193 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: Reid's mother told NBC five News shortly after the shooting 194 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: that her brother threatened to kill her and was physically 195 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: assaulting her when he was shot. So they had a 196 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: volatile relationship. We know that, Wendy Patrick. The reality is 197 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: is after looking at the video the mom allegedly kid 198 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: the cell phone video of the shooting, they charged her. 199 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 1: Now what do you make of that, Wendy Patrick, veteran 200 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: California prosecutor, and any claim of self defense, more evidence 201 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: that can be recovered, the difference may actually justify more 202 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: serious charges. So it looks like, at least it sounds 203 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: like chronologically once that video footage, even though my understanding 204 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: is it doesn't capture the actual shooting, it captures the 205 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: circumstances surrounding the shooting to the extent that the prosecutors 206 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: believed that that evidence, even circumstantially, would justify a higher charge. Now, 207 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: having said that, we've all followed so many different types 208 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: of self defense cases, particularly when you have a woman 209 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: shooting a man, that do have at least elements that 210 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: allow jurors to consider whether or not. Obviously, this is 211 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: not a who done it? It's a what is it? 212 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: Is it murder one? Murder? Two? Is it voluntary manslaughter? 213 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: Was there reasonable use of force used? And was there 214 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: reasonable reason to be afraid? Those are the kinds of 215 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: things that, apparently, in this case, let the prosecutors to 216 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: believe that, in fact, it wasn't manslaughter and that they 217 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: could go forward on the more serious charge. Now there 218 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: is a video phone video, and there is sound as well, 219 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: and you hear a scream and the words he's coming 220 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: into the house, You son of a bitch, Get out 221 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: of here. The phone continues to record through all that confusion. 222 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 1: Then you hear the gunshot. On the video. You can 223 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: hear the actual shooting. Shane More, of course, suffered a gunshot, 224 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: went to the chest and died. Then you hear the 225 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: uncle agonizing in pain from the shooting. In the background, 226 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: you hear everybody yelling. The phone picks up the sound 227 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: of someone in the bathroom sobbing and sounding sick. Shane More, 228 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: the victim is apparently still alive and bleeding, and you 229 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: hear read that's the suspect. The female suspect ask her mom, 230 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: he's not dead, and then she says the F word, 231 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: He's not dead. Now that is definitely going to work 232 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: against her, so too, Dave mc let me ask this 233 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: as the question everyone is asking, why would she take 234 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: a film that mirrors the crime she's charged with? And 235 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: what about the timing? What does that tell him? I 236 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: think the timing Nancy has just happened. Stance. Okay, this 237 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: is a young woman who actually, you know, saw herself 238 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: as an author and an actress, and I think she 239 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: just auditioned for a movie role. I don't think that 240 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: it had I really don't think one thing had to 241 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: do with the other. You look at her background. She 242 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: took an indie film job, she auditioned for the part 243 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: we do know that she didn't use her real name 244 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: when she actually, you know, auditioned. She made up a 245 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: different name when read so that if they did search her, 246 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: they wouldn't pull up the manslaughter charges that she was 247 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: facing at the time. Well, another issue about that. To 248 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, they may be disconnected in time and space, 249 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: but it tells me something that she would take the 250 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: role of a shooting fatal shooting by shooting eerily similar 251 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: to her gunning down her uncle and thinking nothing of it. 252 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: What does that tell you about her frame of mind? 253 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: I'll say, if you can't make this stuff up, Nancy, 254 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: that's what we you and I have both probably told 255 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: our families over the years as we go through the 256 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: facts of some of these cases. It is one of those, 257 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: you know, Dave Mack accurately says, happenstance. If in fact 258 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: that's what it was, it has to be one of 259 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: the most unique coincidences available. You would have thought that, 260 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: given what should just done, even if she has to 261 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: claim of self defense, that this would have been a 262 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: role that gave her some pause as to whether or 263 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: not it was wise to accept. Knowing full well or 264 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: at least anticipating that she would have to answer to 265 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: these charges one way or another in court and wondering 266 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: whether or not this might become admissible. Whether it will 267 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: or not, that'll be up to a judge. But it is, 268 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: as you say, eerily similar. I echo those sentiments, and 269 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how it's played out in 270 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: a court of law. Well, to me, at the very least, 271 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: it shows a complete disregard of the facts and the law. 272 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: Your charger shooting somebody dead, then you know, a few 273 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: months later you play the role of someone shooting somebody dead. 274 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: Now take a listen to the video we have obtained day. 275 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: She's not any any ranging me. He came into this 276 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: house to pass me while I was sleeping. Yes, yes, 277 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: this man, this man he threatened. This one was like 278 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: my mother. Unless she signed that people shot, wasn't she 279 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: was sold. He wasn't inheritance. So will okay? Right now, 280 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: the uncle is looking through the window and she is 281 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: sitting around a table it looks like, with the mom 282 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: and another woman and they're talking into the house. You 283 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: was built so big? Not Jesus, Jesus, oh not here. 284 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: You see the camera wildly moving around and it seems 285 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: as if he was shot still outside? Was he outside, 286 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: Dave mccer had he gotten in the house. According to 287 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: what came out in court, he was actually in the foyer, 288 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: just inside the front door. Okay, so he had come 289 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: into the home. This is what we know. By taking 290 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: that role, it indicates a total disregard of the circumstances 291 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: of playing the role of a killer when you're you've 292 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: just killed someone your own uncle. Now, how will her 293 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 1: decision to portray a killer are the screen affect her 294 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: real life murder trial next month? Wendy Patrick. Yeah, that's 295 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: going to be a question for the judge because obviously 296 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: the prosecution and the defense have opposite ideas as to 297 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: how that should become relevant. One of the things that 298 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: it probably will show if it does does come into 299 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: evidence is this level of callousness, you know, one of 300 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: the things that jury has to decide to fear. And 301 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: when you look at someone's conduct after they pulled a 302 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: trigger in this kind of a homicide, that response is 303 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: enormously relevant to what the mindset was at the time, 304 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: So too that decision making to accept the role of 305 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: the killer when you just killed someone one whether she's 306 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: claiming its self defense or not. Is going to be 307 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: very important for a jury, and it's really going to 308 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: be seen in light of so many of the other 309 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: just bizarre facts surrounding this footage which obviously looks bad, 310 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: but can be spun the other way, as we've seen 311 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: in some of these cases that have been very newsworthy 312 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,239 Speaker 1: as to what exactly was going through her mind at 313 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: the time she pulled that trigger. This case heading to 314 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: try all we wait as justice unfalls crime stories with 315 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: Nancy grace An. Investigators say there will be zero tolerance 316 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: for this type of crime now. The eighteen year old 317 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: is facing a felony charge. I'm calling to let you 318 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: know that one of our students when the rested last 319 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: night or solicitation. That's the message by high school parents 320 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: are receiving this afternoon. We will not sit back and 321 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: allow people to threaten other people or to harm other people. 322 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: Pasco County deputies say they arrested eighteen year old Nicholas 323 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: Godfrey for trying to solicit someone to kill a staff member. 324 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: Quite honestly, he has ruined his life by a simple 325 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: threat on social media. According to court documents, the eighteen 326 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: year old is accused of sending messages through Instagram a 327 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: read quote I need a guy who could kill someone 328 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: and offered a hundred thousand dollars. He also states no joke. 329 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: Speaking with mister Godfrey, he did not have any clear 330 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: direction or I guess plan is to follow through with 331 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: this as he said, but more of he was joking around. 332 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: Did eighteen boy threaten murder offering one hundred thousand dollars 333 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: to kill a school employee? Well that's what authorities in Hudson, 334 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: Florida say. I'm Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank 335 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: you for being with us in Hudson, Florida say, a 336 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: Florida teen offers one hundred thousand dollars for someone to 337 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: murder a staff member at his high school. Pasco County 338 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: Sheriff Chris Noko announcing during a news conference that teen 339 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: boy Nicholas Godfrey charge with solicitation to commit murder with 340 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 1: me Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Dave Matt, what happened, Nancy, 341 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: it's your bottom line eighteen year old high school student 342 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: who again claims he wasn't serious. But I'm gonna tell 343 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: you in this day and age, Nancy, when you put 344 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: out something on social media claiming that you want somebody 345 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: dead and you're willing to offer a hundred thousand dollars 346 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: to get it done. I don't know how in the 347 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: world you don't take it serious, And the police did. 348 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: The sr at the high school was actually notified by 349 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: somebody on campus about this instagram. Whoa the s r O. 350 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: The school resource officer, police officer is actually at the school. 351 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: He was notified by somebody at the school. They won't 352 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: tell us who, but they notified this SR. Rowan said, hey, man, 353 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: you might want to take a look at this posting 354 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: from this other high school student. And he looked at 355 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: it and immediately got it up the chain of command 356 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: and they took action immediately on this to Ashu Wilcott 357 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: joining me judge, trial lawyer or anchor at Court TV. 358 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: You can find her at Ashu Wilcot dot com. When 359 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: does a social media post turn into a crime? Anytime 360 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: it's a threat. So the problem is joking is not 361 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: a defense. Oh it was a joke. That is not 362 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: a legal defense. Anything that threatens criminal activity is a crime. 363 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: And that's the problem. And we've got these teenagers making 364 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: dumb decisions because that's what teenagers do. But they can't 365 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: rise it to the raise excuse me, to the level 366 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: of threatening to do a crime, you know to Cheryl 367 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: McCollum joining me, forensics expert and director of the coal 368 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: Case Research Institute. He posted it on Instagram. It takes 369 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: about five minutes to trace that account back to his 370 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: home exactly, and then when he asked about it, he goes, oh, 371 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: I was joking. However, he had already typed out in 372 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: a second post, no joke, like he wanted this person 373 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: extinguished as fast as possible. He said he wanted a 374 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: hit man. He offered an amount of money, and he 375 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: said who the victim was. That is a straight up 376 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: threat in anybody's book. And here's something else that the 377 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: young people listening to this show need to understand. This 378 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: is like a drug driver that runs over and murders somebody. 379 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: You can't say, well, mine intent wasn't the murder anybody. 380 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: I don't even know that guy. I went mad at him. 381 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: This is one of those doesn't matter what your intent was, buddy, 382 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: you said it, and now you've got to deal with 383 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: it for the next however long they're going to send 384 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: it them to. You know, I'm curious about the legal intricacies. 385 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: Eighteen boy is charged with attempting to commit a murder 386 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: by offering one hundred thousand dollars for a school employee 387 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: to be killed. Who did he want, Dad, Dave mack Nancy. 388 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: They won't say. They're only saying a staffer at Five 389 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: Day High School. And that's all they're telling us. They're 390 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: not telling you if it's a teacher, administration, nothing, They're 391 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: just saying it was a staff member. Yeah, but it's 392 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: got to be on the indictment to Stephen Lampley, detective, 393 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: author of Outside Your Door on Amazon. You know, these 394 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: school resource officers A lot of people pooh pooh them, 395 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: but they're on the front line with this type of thing. 396 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: Steve Lampley's as they are, and they're very vital, especially 397 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: nowadays when I was a police officer where they were 398 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: just getting into that. But SR officers are most states 399 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: are highly trained in specific incidents such as this. I 400 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: mean they received special training of web and beyond what 401 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: they would get at the police academy to handle situations 402 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: like this as well of active shooters and other things. 403 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: School resource officers are a definite class from definitely needed 404 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: in our school system to doctor Bethany Marshall, and boy, 405 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: do we need a shrink psychoanalyst joining us out of 406 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, Doctor bethany way In, I would like to 407 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: address the cultural component. I received a call this weekend 408 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: from a very prominent family. Their son had just turned eighteen. 409 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: Since he was in the fifth grade, he has racked 410 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: up millions of followers on YouTube and he is now 411 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. Okay, Sadly, this is 412 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: not an unusual case in my practice. I hear this 413 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: the minute he turned eighteen. The parents lost control, buying 414 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: fancy cars, making threats, doing behavior out of control. And 415 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: I don't know what this kid's family life was like, 416 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: but the hundred thousand dollars he offered really hit me. 417 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: It struck me because I have another case of a 418 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: kid who bought one Louis then wallet, and then he 419 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: traded it up for a jacket, then he traded it 420 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: up for tennis shoes, and now he has hundreds of 421 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: thousands of dollars in this bank account. And this is 422 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: a layer. Obviously, this kid made a homicidal threat. Obviously 423 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: he's ruined the rest of his life. Obviously, he's spoiled 424 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: at some pathological level. But kids now have the resources 425 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: to carry out threats and parents have lost control. My 426 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: dearest friend is a professor in the School of Social 427 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: Work at USC and she says that whenever she gives 428 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: a bad grade, or whenever she disciplines a student, they 429 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: will call their parents and get attorneys. They get attorneys 430 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: because they're upset at her. So our educators are not 431 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: just being threatened in terms of their life, but they're 432 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: being threatened in the legal system. They can't even teach. 433 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: So culturally, we have fostered this attitude that kids have 434 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: too much money and it's okay to threaten our school 435 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: system and our staff take a listen to this. So 436 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: today we announce that we arrested Nicholas Godrey day to 437 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: birth nine five zero one for attempting to solicit and 438 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: conspire for a first degree felony to kill someone. That 439 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: person he tried to kill was a person a member 440 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: of the five A staff, And so I just want 441 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: to put it out there that you know there's gonna 442 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: be zero tolerance you threaten a member of the school 443 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: district who's out there trying to do their job to 444 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: educate children to be part of that process. You know 445 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna come hunt you down. We will track you down. 446 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: And the very sad part of this whole situation is 447 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: that when the investigators, when Detective Dacy got there, the 448 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: parents were shocked because they had no idea. And that 449 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: is another sad reality of what's going on. I just 450 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: want to read you some of the statements on Instagram 451 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: that Nicholas put Us posted out there. He stated on 452 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: a message within the five A fan club, this is 453 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: I quote, I need a guy who could kill someone. 454 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: Another quote was we have one hundred thousand dollars for 455 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: the victim's head, and the third quote was no joke, 456 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: I need him eliminated as soon as possible. Crime stories 457 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace from talking to them, it didn't seem 458 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: like there was anything. You look at his past, It 459 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: wasn't like this was a bad student. This adult was 460 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: The record did not show somebody who had consistently bad, 461 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: terrible issues. But yeah, it is one of those things 462 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: that surprises because it goes back to it. It doesn't 463 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: matter if somebody says I was joking, It doesn't matter 464 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: what their intense is. When you do it and you 465 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: post it out there in social media. You committed that crime. 466 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: But I'll let Detective Dacy go a little further into 467 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: it to see if there was anything to that. Now, 468 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: after speaking with mister Godfrey, he did not have any 469 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: clear direction or I guess plan is to follow through 470 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: with this as he said more if he was joking around. 471 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking about the legal requirements to Cheryl McCallum, 472 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: Director Coal Case Research Institute, Cheryl, it's one thing to 473 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: just sit around and going, man, it wouldn't bother me 474 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: if they were dead. But then typically the law requires 475 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: a quote overt act, like you have to go by 476 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: a god, or you have to case out the victim's location. 477 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: Here he sat not one, but two emails soliciting murder, 478 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: and if I were prosecuting it, I would argue that 479 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: that is the overt act that turns us not into 480 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: just a team dreaming about how much he hates is. 481 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: By the way, we have information suggesting that the victim 482 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: the target was a male teacher there at the school. 483 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: That turns it from just day dreaming into an overt 484 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: act that constitutes a conspiracy and solicitation murder. Any child 485 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: that has gone past ninth grade has on some occasion 486 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: which the teacher didn't make it to school, maybe because 487 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,479 Speaker 1: of the flu. Maybe where's you know, bolt of lightning 488 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: with clothes of fool down? But nobody when you take 489 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: tens of paper. Even back in the day before we 490 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: had cell phones, to write a note like this, to 491 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: leave a message on a answer machine like this, there 492 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: was always ways to you know, make these threats. So 493 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, social media was just the way that he 494 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: chose to do it. But he didn't make one. He 495 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: made two and he clarified for us not joking. You know. 496 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: The other issue here is determining intent to say I 497 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: was joking. Mmm, it doesn't really negate that intent at 498 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: the time you put it out there on social media, 499 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: and this was Instagram to actually Wilcott, he's not even 500 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: trying to hide it, right, And that's you know, just 501 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: what you said is so key and juvenile. Court. When 502 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: I'm on the bench, I have seen a lot of 503 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: youth come in and be in trouble for something that 504 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: they've posted online, a note that they've written. And here's 505 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: the problem. I see, Hey, it doesn't matter if you're joking, 506 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: it's still a threat. It's still a crime. Be they 507 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: forget that social media puts it out there to everyone. 508 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: It's such a norm to them to do that. Sometimes 509 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: I think they forget that it's really significant and makes 510 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: it even worse by putting it on social media. They 511 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: don't think twice about it, and it is not a 512 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: good thing to do. Take a listen to this. Honestly, 513 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm tired of meeting with a press to or with 514 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: the public announcing the foolishness that goes on with the 515 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: behavior some of our kids from media issues are incredibly 516 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: disruptive to our mission to educate kids in this district. 517 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: One of our top priorities in this district is to 518 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: ensure that our kids are safe. When this situation came up, 519 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: they were very quick to respond, both with protection for 520 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: the individual. But then this morning when I rolled out 521 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: of bed and I had a text waiting for me 522 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: that indicated that they had arrested this man is young 523 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: man that quite honestly has ruined his life by a 524 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: simple threat on social media. I was elated that we 525 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: had apprehended him, but very saddened, very saddened by what 526 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: this young man has just done to the rest of 527 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: his life. And this is the message that I have 528 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: tried to get through to all of our students across 529 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: this district. I have begged with students, I have pled 530 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,719 Speaker 1: with parents to know what your kids are doing on 531 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: social media and who they're talking to. Two days, Matt, 532 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: what did they defend an eighteen year old Nicholas Godfrey 533 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: say about the money? Well, it's an interesting sidebar to this, Nancy, 534 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: because while he's making these posts online, he actually says, 535 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: we have one hundred thousand dollars for the victim's head 536 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: plural we What does that mean? Though? Well, he claims 537 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: it was all a joke, but I'm wondering, I mean, 538 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: do we have other people that need to be investigated. 539 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: Was he a part of a group of people that 540 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: believe they needed to take this person out? Or I 541 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: mean what does he mean by we? So this is 542 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: what we know Pasco County Sheriff's Office. The eighteen year 543 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: old Nicholas Godfrey used an Instagram account called five A 544 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,919 Speaker 1: Fan Club and that's the name of high school five 545 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: A High School to send messages to another student on Instagram. 546 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: A student at five A High School stating I need 547 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 1: a guy who could kill someone saying that he would 548 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: give that student one hundred thousand dollars to murder a 549 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: staff member we now believe to be a male teacher. 550 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: So he wasn't just posting it blindly on Instagram to 551 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 1: the general population. He set it to a specific person 552 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: offering one hundred grand, then follows up by saying, no, Joe, 553 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: I need him eliminated as soon as possible. He confesses 554 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: to sending the messages and even handed over the cell 555 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 1: phone that he used to send the Instagram. So if 556 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 1: he is convicted to Steve Lampley, Detective joining Me, author 557 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: of Outside Your Door on Amazon, Steve Lampley, You've seen 558 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: plenty of solicitation for murderers cases. What's the potential sentence 559 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: in this case Nancy and Florida. He could get up 560 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: to thirty years in prison and a ten thousand dollars 561 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: fine for his actions, thirty years behind bars, and as 562 00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,439 Speaker 1: you say, thirty thousand dollars fine, ten thousand dollars, ten 563 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: thousand dollars fine, and the likelihood that he's going to 564 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: be treated as an adult. That's not even a question. 565 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: Once you turn eighteen, you are treated as an adult. 566 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace crime stories. Signing 567 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,