1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Carl Durrell, Welcome back to the Conference of Champions. Everybody 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: is excited that you're here. Can't you tell the Pact 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: twelve is clearly UM Washington's athletic director contradicts Arizona State's 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: president about the state of resources and the necessity in 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: the back twelve. Arizona State is on my Oregon fan 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: nerves just for twenty though, and we got fans emails 7 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: and we're talking Pacts, Wealth Basketball Tournament, and the March 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: Madness is coming up. I'm George Riser with Ralph Amston 9 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: and this is the Pack twelve Apostles. Thank you guys 10 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: for listening to the Pact Wealth Apostles. We appreciate your time, 11 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: appreciate your energy. Make sure that you leave a five 12 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: star rating wherever you listen to podcasts, and of course 13 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: hit that subscribe button. Tell a friend about the Pack 14 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: twelve Apostles and also always share with other people. UM. 15 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: Next episode, I believe we are going to have a 16 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: special guest UM who I won't name right now, but 17 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: even I will tell Ralph. He's gonna be super excited. 18 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: I didn't want to spoil it for him, but I'm 19 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: gonna leave him in anticipation as well. But Ralph, you 20 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: are excited, right, aren't you excited to welcome card to rail, 21 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: to the pack twelve, well, back to the back twelve. 22 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm excited. I will tell you this, 23 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: I'm okay with it, but I think it was an 24 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: okay higher I just don't There's been a lot of 25 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: people kind of melting down a little bit. You know, 26 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: if you if you actually saw the school's official announcement 27 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: posted on social media, there are quite a few Colorado 28 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: fans um and I you saw this with Arizona State 29 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: or Medwards as well, that are just like, I'm done 30 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: with season tickets, I'm done given money. You know that 31 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: there were that It seems like there are some people 32 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: that feel as though this was disastrous, and I just 33 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: I'm not there with it. I mean, there the game 34 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: of football, for for all of its intricacies away from 35 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: the field, it's it's pretty simple what you have to 36 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: do on it. And that's somebody who actually had a 37 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: modicum of success in this conference and who has had 38 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: an entire career coaching at the highest level. So I mean, 39 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm very interested to see what he can do. You 40 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: certainly can't say he's not qualified. Um. So yeah, I mean, 41 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm more curious as to how you know 42 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: he's going to accomplish some of the things that you know, 43 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: have gone on since he's been out of the college game. 44 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: I know he had the one year stint at Vanderbilt, 45 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: but that's not enough to really get a feel for 46 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: all the things that you have to be responsible for 47 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: in the age of the transfer portal and you know, 48 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: of of just updated crazy, but I think the budget 49 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: alone of what you know, what he's going to be 50 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: dealing with from the last time he coached at U 51 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: c L A exponentially higher. Um. But yeah, I think 52 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: it's gonna be kind of a cool thing to see 53 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: as a fan of this conference and somebody who you know, 54 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: watched him coach in person quite a bit back at 55 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: you know, those are the years. I think for a 56 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: couple of these years, I was still in school and 57 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: so you know, Um, I think one of the big 58 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: issues for him when he was at U c L 59 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: A as he had a hard time replacing some of 60 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: the really good players that were there when he got there. Um. 61 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: And so it's can you recruit and who's he going 62 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: to surround himselves with those Those are questions that you 63 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: have for any coach that comes into this, but for 64 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: somebody who has spent such a you know, twelve of 65 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: the last thirteen seasons in the NFL or whatever those are, 66 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: those are pretty loud resounding questions. You know, how is 67 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: he gonna staff up and how how is he going 68 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: to conduct uh this program? But as what happens on 69 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: the field, you know, people talk about him not necessarily 70 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: having a whole bunch of success, but you know what, also, 71 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: he didn't have a whole bunch of was disastrous seasons 72 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: like he he did all right, And I think that, 73 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: you know, coming back into it thirteen years later, with 74 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: all the experience and connections that he has at the 75 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: NFL level, it's working a little bit for a s 76 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,239 Speaker 1: U so far maybe to work for them, dude. I 77 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: was disgusted with how people responded to the Carl derail 78 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: Higher just absolutely just just discussed it and it may 79 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: it was just ridiculous to me. Granted, he wasn't at 80 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: the on the list of people who you thought was 81 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: going to get the job, but let's just say some 82 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: of the names that were thrown out like Eric b 83 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: Anymy he wasn't coming like stopped like guess that would 84 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: have been out. That would have been a home run 85 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: higher for Colorado. But that was a long shot and 86 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: it wasn't happening. But the reason why is well, well 87 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: before we even get to that, the first thing is 88 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve. When they put out the press announcement, 89 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: Ralph tagged me in a tweet and the Pac twelve 90 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: is clearly excited. It just matters more here. But they 91 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: spelled the man's name wrong, spelled his name wrong in 92 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: the in a tweet like come on, man, like what 93 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: are we doing here? This reminded me of Ralph when 94 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: I was playing with the with the Jaguars, I have 95 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: been the starting tight end there for a couple of years. Um, 96 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: I come back. My next door neighbor was the equipment manager, 97 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: the head equipment manager, literally right next door. Drew lived 98 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: right there. I come back in one off season, so 99 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: I think it's my third or fourth year there. I 100 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: think it's fourth year there. Come in. They had redone 101 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: the locker room a little bit, new name plates, all 102 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: of this because they kind of slide inside out like 103 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: they do at most jobs. And I look up, everything 104 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: looks great. I noticed my name is spelled wrong. It's 105 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: spelled w R I g h T s t e R, 106 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: So I slide it out calmly walk into Drew's office, 107 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: the equipment manager, and I'm like, what's going on here? Brother? 108 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: Like like it made me feel so valued, the fact 109 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: that I've been there going on my fourth year and 110 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: they didn't spell my name correctly. I I was like, oh, clearly, clearly, clearly, 111 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: this is wrong. And he was like, yo, I just 112 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: gave the roster to the company who made him. I 113 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do with it. I apologize they 114 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: messed up, but still it still made me feel very, 115 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: very loved, of course, right, I mean, that's that's the 116 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: biggest complaint that I get when I'm talking about you know, 117 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 1: I could write a glowing article about a high school 118 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: football player, a college football player. If I spell their 119 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: name wrong, that's the only thing they see. So yeah, anyway, 120 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: I mean, welcome to the PAC twelve. Carl Farrell. That's 121 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: your name now, because as we know, this conference does 122 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: no wrong. So if they say your name is Farrell, 123 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: your name is Farrell. That's uh, that's how it is. Yeah, 124 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: it just means more on the Facebook live post. But 125 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: here's the thing that discussed it me though, is how 126 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: Colorado fans reacted and even some people in the national 127 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: media reacted to the Carl Durrell higher. I'm sitting there like, 128 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: hold on, look at the people who who they wanted 129 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: to hire. Jim mcawaan. Jim mcawaine hasn't been good since 130 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: he was at Colorado State. Then he went to Florida, 131 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: destroyed Florida. But now you want he was the guy 132 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: you wanted to hire. You're more excited about him about 133 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: a guy who bombed in his last job than uh 134 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: than Carl Durrell. Oh but then, oh, how about Jay 135 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: Norvelle letting Nevada. They went three and nine in his 136 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: day debut in his first year, and they've won fifteen 137 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: games and played in two Bowl games over the last 138 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: two years. But that's not like outstanding. I didn't how 139 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't realize Jane Orville's name got floated. 140 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: I had no idea. Yeah, I don't know. I don't 141 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: know if he's uh, he's I like him at a 142 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: smaller program. He's kind of rules with an iron fist 143 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: a little bit and and Uh yeah, I I I 144 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: didn't even realize. That's wild. How how about Steve Sarkisian 145 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: seven wins sark who, yes, thank you. These are the 146 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: people that they wanted and and you're upset about it, dude? 147 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: Oh oh, Darren chever Chevalini, give it to the wide 148 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: receivers coach, okay, like whatever? I mean, he had been 149 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: an interim coach wherever. He's got no head coaching experience 150 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: at the FBS level. I mean, like, what did you 151 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: think was going on? Like? I would have rather like, honestly, 152 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: aside from if they didn't give it to somebody like 153 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: Carl Drail, I would have rather than gave it to 154 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: Andy Avelos defensive coordinator from Oregon or Graham Harrold, which 155 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: I don't think would have been good hires. But still, 156 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: I just don't get the negative reaction from a guy 157 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: getting a second chance. Seventeen years later, when Bill Belichick 158 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: bombed with the Browns the first time Pete Carroll bombed 159 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: with the Jets, Mike Riley went from Arizona State to 160 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: Nebraska nothing doing. He could probably get another head coach 161 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: at some point in a time. Uh, Brett Ba he 162 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: was terrible at his last stop at Arkansas. But this 163 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: is the guy you want to get the job, like 164 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: Adam Gaze Miami to the Jets still failing. I just 165 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: I just was the bill of a thing. I just 166 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: wonder if he's got a super powerful agent or something, 167 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: because it's just he gets linked to all of this 168 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: stuff all of the time. And speaking of people who 169 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: get linked to everything, USC has had Graham Harrold for 170 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: one year and he's been about to take thirty different 171 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: jobs now right at some point, you gotta figure like 172 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: he's either staying at USC because he believes he'll be 173 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: the guy if they quit on Clay Hilton mid season, 174 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: or or it's just his agent make a noise where 175 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: there is none, because you know, Cliff Kingsbury, he did 176 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: a great job of striking while the iron was hot, 177 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: you know, going from being fired at Texas Tech to 178 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: hired at USC, to hired at the Arizona Cardinals. You know, 179 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: all within the matter of a couple of months. You 180 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: figure that Graham Harold, if he's going to be linked 181 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: to all this stuff anywhere you go, it's starting over. 182 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: Its job security, especially if it's a head job. So 183 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: you know the fact that It just makes you wonder 184 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: is he actually in play for any of this or 185 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: people just thinking like that offense is so sexy that 186 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: everybody has to have something to do with it. Or 187 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: is it just being floated out there just because it's 188 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: a you know, his agent trying to keep things relevant. 189 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: You never know, But I just I am genuinely shocked 190 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: at the amount of things that are on Graham Herald's 191 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: resume in relation to the amount of jobs he gets 192 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: linked to. Oh it agree, And that's why I'm like, Okay, 193 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: how if how am I big? Big? Because mind you, 194 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: I talked about the issue in the plight of minority 195 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,599 Speaker 1: coaches right how it's harder for them to get opportunities 196 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: jobs even when there are they represent the workforce in 197 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: the NFL and the high portion in college football as well. 198 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: And I'm just wondering where when you don't have a 199 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: ton of African American head coaches, And I'm just wondering, 200 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: how am I not? And I'm the person who is 201 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: everybody down and like, yo, like everything is not racist. 202 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: There are some geographic differences, things that that were the 203 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: way you were raised. There are some biases, but it's 204 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: not just racism. It's a lot of times ignorance to 205 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: how things are really really out in the real world 206 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: and how people think, and those things can be changed 207 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: as opposed to racism, which is different. So how am 208 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: I not supposed to think that there is not some 209 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: sort of like, you know, that there's some sort of 210 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: enhanced like bias or something when people want all these 211 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: retread head coaches. But it's a it's a disaster if 212 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: Carl Dorrell gets a job after coaching in the NFL 213 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: for the last what pretty much the last twelve years, 214 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: and it's been seventeen years since he was at U 215 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: C l A. And he wasn't awful. He just wasn't great, 216 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: right right, I mean, he certainly his run kind of 217 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: mirrors UH coach Mack who they had before. Before am 218 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: I even allowed to say his name? I've I've heard 219 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: so many people referred to him as a as a traitor. No, 220 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: not Mike McIntyre, his replacement. Um, but I feel Mail Tucker, Yes, 221 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: I guess I don't want to say it, but you 222 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 1: can go ahead, but Mail Tucker Meil Tucker. But I 223 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: will say that Carl the Rell's head coaching record kind 224 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: of resemble it reminds me of coach Max and I 225 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: don't think any of us would bat an eye if 226 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: coach Mac got a head coaching job somewhere else exactly. 227 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: I mean, the wheels fell off there at the end, 228 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: but would they have if it wasn't for injury? Listen? 229 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: Listen and we this is a results based business. And 230 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: granted yes, he me it was the it was the 231 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: two years like kind of adding them to adding them 232 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: both up, that kind of you know, kind of met 233 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: with his exit because Colorado is a weird program to me, 234 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: because they're a team that was a powerhouse in college football, 235 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy, you know, in the National Championship conversation, well 236 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: respected Colorado. Yeah, they destroyed their athletic department. They didn't 237 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: They started hiring coaches on like one year contracts, not 238 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: giving them long term job security. I mean, like there 239 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: was so much stuff that was going on, you know, 240 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: like that it just didn't make sense, you know what 241 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: I mean? So, uh, I just want I just want 242 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: want better. Ralph, It's frustrating to me. What do you 243 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: think of Carl Dorell coming out in his introductory press 244 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: conference and saying we can win right now? Do you 245 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: think that that was a smart move for him because 246 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: I think you know that they're kind of been patient. 247 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: But the thing I worry about with him is, you know, 248 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: they're not going to have the patients that they had 249 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: with Mel Tucker, you know, going five and seven in 250 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: his first year, because he went five and seven, which 251 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: is exactly what they did the year before, and everyone's 252 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: like Colorado is on the rise, you know, when nothing 253 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: had actually changed. If Carl Durrell comes out and goes 254 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: five and seven, I don't I don't feel like people 255 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: are going to give him that same benefit of the 256 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: doubt because of just the previous experience of it's been 257 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: a while since they've been in a bowl, and so 258 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: do you think it was smart for him to come 259 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: out and say we can win right now? I know no, 260 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: because the truth is is that the cupboard was thin. 261 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: It wasn't wasn't baried Colorado, but it was thin. They 262 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: didn't have a whole lot of depth. They don't know 263 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: who their quarter I mean, they're not sure who their 264 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: quarterback is going to be for next year, you know. Uh, 265 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: And for Colorado, is successful season to me obviously looks 266 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: like going six and six and making a bowl game, 267 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: that would be a successful season. So if that, if 268 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: that's what winning now look looks like, then yes he 269 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: can potentially win now. But I think that winning now 270 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: ultimately looks like probably another five and seven season. But 271 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: he's got to kill it in recruiting big, because recruiting 272 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: is what gives people hope. Because we talked about Colorado's 273 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: recruiting class from this twenty recruiting class and praised them 274 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: and said this can be a corner stone for what 275 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: they're doing going forward. So if you can then sign 276 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: another quality recruiting class, then people will say, all right, 277 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: all right. You know, that's what gives people hope because 278 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: even if they don't go to a bowl game, but 279 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: they stay competitive on on the field because because I 280 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: remember the uh the previous year coach Max. Last year, 281 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: they were getting kind of housed when they lost those 282 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: seven straight games, and they got housed in a few 283 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: and in Mel Tuckers games, they were losing close ones 284 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: and it was just for for the most part, close ones, 285 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: and then they were able to not finish the season, 286 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: you know, on that huge seven eight game losing streak, 287 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: they actually won at the end. So I think that 288 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: success and winning now are relative, and I think that 289 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: Colorado fans want the glory days back, but with the 290 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 1: state of the Pack twelve right now, I don't know 291 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: like if those glory days can come back at the 292 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: pace that Colorado fans really want them, because without the 293 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: support and resources and finances like the SEC and Big 294 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: ten have, it makes it significantly harder to rebuild your 295 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: program in a hurry, which leads us to what we 296 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: talked about in the last podcast, which Michael Crow from 297 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: a s U was saying that, oh, resources don't matter 298 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: all the the Olympic sports are just as important. We're 299 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: not gonna value you know, Larry Scott has such a 300 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 1: tough job all of that, and gen Cohen Washington's a 301 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: d completely you know, said the opposite. They asked her 302 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: about the revenue gap between the PAC twelve and the 303 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: other conferences. She said, the revenue gap is real, right, 304 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: I mean, resources matter, and the most important rese sources 305 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: we have is our people. So there's a direct tie 306 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: between financials and our people. People being coaches all that. Yeah, 307 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,479 Speaker 1: So you have to be smart with the resources, and 308 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: when you have less, you have to be smart about 309 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: how you're going to distribute those I think our biggest challenge, 310 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: not just here but as a conference is how do 311 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: we distribute the funds that we have and the revenues 312 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 1: that we do have in in an appropriate fashion to 313 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: make sure that we're competing in football and men's basketball. 314 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: Um wow, Ralph, Ralph, I thought I thought women didn't 315 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: didn't understand big time college college college sports that men 316 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: just no no more. Why, I like, this is just 317 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: a basic level, like this is why she's an a D. 318 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: And why you know gender doesn't matter in these things. 319 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: This is just a smart person talking seeing what's what? 320 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: What was your take from she said A couple of 321 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: things that stood out to me. One of them was 322 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: that she would like for somebody else to be in 323 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: charge of scheduling instead of just instead of just you know, 324 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: University of Washington trying to schedule their own games that 325 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: more of an NFL model, and which got me thinking, 326 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't mind if the number six team 327 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: from the Big Ten had to play the number six 328 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: team from the Pac twelve next year. You know, like 329 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: like there was just that one rotating game that was 330 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: determined by where you finished, and it's set up some 331 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: parody and then you play the one game that you're 332 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 1: sort of contracted to play against the local FCS school, 333 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: and then you let yourself, you let your team set 334 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: one of the other games to schedule. I think, you know, 335 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: it'd be nice to just partially kind of take it 336 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 1: out of the school's hands, UM, because that would at 337 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: least guarantee that some schools that have gotten away with 338 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: scheduling lightly couldn't UM. And so I found that portion 339 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: of it interesting, And I don't know, UM. You know, 340 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: when she talked about the perception of the Pack twelve, 341 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I got the same vibe as you. 342 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: It felt like she was also sort of saying that, like, 343 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: the narrative doesn't necessarily mean truth, it just means narrative, 344 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: because you know, when she she said, I just think 345 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: it's funny because the whole perception is becoming an issue 346 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: that didn't exist before. Uh, it works against us now 347 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: because people keep writing about it all the time and 348 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: talking about it all the time. I mean, outside of 349 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: last year, didn't the Big Ten have two years of 350 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: not going to college football playoff? Did anybody talk about 351 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: it? It It didn't seem like it. So that's just the 352 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: narrative that continues to go. Schools are using that against 353 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: us now in recruiting because that's been the narrative, even 354 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: though last year you look at Oregon in Utah, those 355 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 1: are two great football teams, and then things didn't end 356 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: the way it could have to get somebody to college 357 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: football playoff. So you know, I think she had the 358 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: opportunity right there to to flat out admit that, like, hey, 359 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: this is not just perception, it's reality. But what I 360 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: think she did there was say that, like one or 361 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: two things go differently, the Pac twelve has a college 362 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: football Playoff representative, and nobody's talking about this. So the 363 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: only reason people are using this against the Pack twelve 364 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: and recruiting is just because they can because someone hasn't 365 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: stepped up. But like you always say, the results are 366 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: the results, right, and so um, if Oregon can't get 367 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: it done at a s U and Utah can't get 368 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: it done against Oregon, then you know, I think maybe 369 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: it has something to do with the way the conference 370 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: is set up and built and schedules, and you have 371 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: to travel further and you have to travel in any 372 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: other conference to play your conference games. You play more 373 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: conference games than most of the other conferences, um, and 374 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: then you have less less resources. So I think it's 375 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: more than perception. I think what results are actually indicative 376 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: of the state of the conference in relation to other conferences. 377 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: That's what I think. I think. I I agree, but 378 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: I also disagree to with with with with you am 379 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: with her, So I think that yes, she's right about 380 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: that the sception thing that it Yeah, it is a 381 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: narrative that's being pushed. But the narrative that I've been 382 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: talking about, and that me and you have been talking about, 383 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,239 Speaker 1: that other people have been talking about, is not just 384 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: about the college football playoff. It's about the financial situation 385 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: which affects the college football playoff. That it's not just 386 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: about making the college football Playoff, because we we see 387 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: sometimes teams make it but don't have the ability to win. 388 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: That you need the horses, that you need better players 389 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: within the conference. I mean, there's a you can't deny 390 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: that the SEC is sending more players to the combine 391 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: than any other conference, that they're having more players drafted 392 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: than any other conference. So that's why I just don't 393 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: like the way that it's phrased, Like I could say, 394 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: you know, you know what since I've been married, I 395 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: may be gained about an average of four or five 396 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: pounds a year. Okay, and uh and and that's married life, right, 397 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: and that's aging, and you gotta kind of fight against it. 398 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: I'm working on getting in shape or whatever. But that'd 399 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: be like me sitting back and saying, like, you know what, 400 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: I feel like the narrative out there that people are 401 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: using against me is that I'm fat and lazy. But 402 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: the truth is, I've had plenty of opportunities to work 403 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: out and eat healthy that I just didn't take. Georgie, 404 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: how is that not the same goddamn thing. It is 405 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: the same thing. Okay, Okay, you have you have convinced 406 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: me it is the same thing. Uh. And I just 407 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,479 Speaker 1: at least like the fact that she pointed out that 408 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: the revenue gaps are real, that this is not a 409 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, a oh just a temporary situation that things 410 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: do need to get fixed. And also the fact that 411 00:24:55,320 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: football and basketball should be prioritized, and I because they 412 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: make the most money. I mean, if if Okay in 413 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: in my house, right, so should I. So should my 414 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: number one priority or my wife's number one priority be 415 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: figuring out our garden or should it be all right, 416 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: let's figure out how we're going to make money to 417 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: pay for our house, Like that should be a higher 418 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: priority than than the garden in the back. Then making 419 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: sure the garden is our number one priority. Would you 420 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: agree with that? Well, uh yeah, in in theory yes, 421 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: But as a stay at home dad who is growing 422 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: peppers in my office, I would love that. I would 423 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: love if it could be the other way around. But 424 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: it's a luxury, right. The fact that I get to 425 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: do those things is a luxury based on the prior 426 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: work that I've put in and the fact that my 427 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: wife is doing all right for us, and so, but 428 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: you're right, You're absolutely right. Like the sometimes the things 429 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: that are out they are that that are are more 430 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: of a luxury. Um end up taking precedents because guess what, 431 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: if you're not winning in football and you're not winning 432 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: in basketball, but rowing is getting your national championships every year, 433 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna want to hold up rowing and talk about 434 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: how special it is. But the truth of the matter 435 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: is that's not a sustainable thing. For the Pact twelve, 436 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: rowing pay for rowing if football doesn't pay for rowing, right, 437 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: So what they're calling yourself the Conference of Champions is 438 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: you know, it would be like the Ricester House of Gardening, 439 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: Like that's what you can do that you're good at it, 440 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: it's fantastic, but like that's not what you do, and 441 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: that's not there are oversive champions of things that don't 442 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: make money right now. So so you have to focus 443 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 1: on the money. Granted, like you don't have to focus 444 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: like you have to focus on figuring out ways to 445 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: make your money, but also figuring out ways to make 446 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: your product more popular and more you know, um like 447 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: more appealing to people who will then pay for it, 448 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: because it's just like a television show. I was just 449 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: talking to to a young young kid about this about 450 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: how television really works. Everybody thinks that you know that 451 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: all these actors that they make money, that they make 452 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: TV shows to entertain people. No, they make television shows 453 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: and put sports games on television to sell commercials. Yeah, 454 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: like that's the whole It's not because there's some oh 455 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: we need entertainment. No, they're trying to sell commercials, adds, 456 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: product placements because that's where the money is. They only 457 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: the only reason why the cast of Friends can make 458 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: a million dollars an episode or whatever shows that have 459 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: made that it is because so many people watch it 460 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: and it's so popular that they could sell commercials for more. 461 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: Because Mr Mr Clean and Budweis are are are willing 462 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: to make it happen. Yep, that those are the real 463 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: m v p s of that. So the conference has 464 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: to really, you know, I be willing to admit it 465 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: and do something different. But here's what she said. She said, 466 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: the revenue gap is real, right, I mean, resources matter. 467 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: The most important resource we have is our people. And 468 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: so you know, she she realizes, she gets it. She 469 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: she absolutely gets it. But I think that people who uh, 470 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: people who are really red pilled about this situation understand 471 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: that a change needs to be made and that that's 472 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: what she stopped short of of doing here, which but 473 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: I don't probably, Yeah, it would be unwise as the 474 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: athletic director to say is that we need new leadership 475 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: and that maybe with you know, there's some new presidents coming, 476 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: new athletic directors coming in, so there may be change, 477 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: um before that contract runs out for the man in charge. Um. 478 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: But here's the idea I wanted to float by you. 479 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: Ralph is a Is Shoes President Michael Crowe when he 480 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: made the comments last week about Larry Scott having such yeah, 481 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: backing Larry Scott got such a difficult job, the conferences 482 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: positioned in a great place. Blah blah blah. Could this 483 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: be Michael crow like like liking the fact that u 484 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: c l A Is running in a deficit. Cal had 485 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: to have their deficit covered by the um by the school, 486 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: and that Washington status suffering, Oregon State is suffering. That 487 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: he is happy because this allows Arizona State, who out 488 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: of all the schools in the Pact twelve, receives the 489 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: most money from the university over twenty one million dollars, 490 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: and CAL receives zero dollars. Oregon gets two one thousand, 491 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: and U c l A Gets two point six, and 492 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: then up to Washington at three point eight. So the 493 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: Arizona so Arizona State gets the most money by far 494 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: from the university. Then they're able to make money, donations, 495 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: all of these things, and they're able to run in 496 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: the black. But is this a conspiracy for him? I mean, 497 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: even on top of backing Larry's gott because he's one 498 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: of the people who helped bring him in, that he 499 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: sees that Arizona State is actually coming up and doing well. 500 00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: Is this a conspiracy route? Uh? I think that. I 501 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: think that's just the nature of being in a conference 502 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: with other people. Right, Like you want to live in 503 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: the nicest neighborhood, but you don't want everybody else's nice 504 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: house in the nice neighborhood to be nicer than your house. Right, So, 505 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: like you you want your neighbor to have the pigeon problem, 506 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: but you you don't want your neighbor's house to burn 507 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: to the ground. You don't want your neighbor to be 508 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: a convicted felon. You just want your stuff to be 509 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: a little bit better than your neighbor's stuff. But in 510 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: order for your stuff to be nice, your your neighbors 511 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: still have to have nice stuff. So it's just the 512 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: whole freenemies thing. You know. You you want the conference 513 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: to have prestige so that you can in relation have prestige. 514 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: It's like the whole like girls at the at the 515 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: club thing. Like you you want to you don't want 516 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: to be the ugly friend, but you don't want your 517 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: friends to be so attractive that like, even if you're 518 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: not the ugly friend, that you look like the ugly friend. Right, 519 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: So it's the rising tide rises or raises all boats. 520 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: So the conference needs to be healthy, It absolutely needs to. 521 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: But there's got to be that in the back of 522 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: anybody's head. Michael Crow included that like anything that doesn't 523 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: go right for anybody else is something that Arizona State 524 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: can take advantage of. That's how coaches recruit, not so 525 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: not just talking about University of Presidents, but I mean 526 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: that's how these coaches go out and they they find 527 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: these little perceptions that exist out there and they really 528 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: dig into them, and then you know, they'll celebrate the 529 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: fact that you went back twelve if you commit to 530 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: their school, but they just got done taking a crap 531 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: all over all the other eleven pack tw of schools. 532 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: So you know, it's just I think that's just the 533 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: nature of the game. It's sort of a friend of 534 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: mees type deal um where you you don't want terrible 535 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: things to happen to them that you just don't want 536 00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: it to be better than what you have. Well, think 537 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: he is happy with watching U C. L A. Cal 538 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: and whoever else is you know, kind of around their 539 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: level right right now, kind of burn and he's like, oh, yes, 540 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: we're coming up but in reality, it reminds me of 541 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: a story to cal Brady that I experienced with Cayle 542 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: Brady when I was uh playing for the Jaguars. When 543 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: I was young. I remember Kyle used to always get 544 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: excited for me when I did something well. You're like, dude, 545 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: good job, man, you got better at that. He was 546 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: a veteran. I'm trying to take his job and I 547 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: couldn't understand, and I was like, Kyle, I put him 548 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: to the side. I was like, Yo, how can you 549 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: cheer for me when I'm trying to take your job? 550 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: Said George. The thing that you have to understand is 551 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,719 Speaker 1: this is the way. This is the way sports works, 552 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: particularly professional sports in particular. He said, if you do poorly, 553 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that I get to keep my job. 554 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: Only me doing well gets me to keep my job, 555 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: because if you do poorly and I do poorly, they'll 556 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: fire us both and find new people to do it. 557 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: So I can be happy for you and root for 558 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: your success because I like you, and it not be 559 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:18,959 Speaker 1: reflective upon me. And I was like, jeez. And that's 560 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: the similar situation with the PAC twelve schools is that 561 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 1: you can be happy for you know, for the whole 562 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: conference doing well. Because just because everybody else is doing 563 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: poorly and you're doing great, that doesn't like a rising 564 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,720 Speaker 1: what was that rising tide lifts all boats same way, 565 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: Like the better that everybody else does, that means the 566 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: better that you have to be. I mean, because I've 567 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 1: hear people from other schools say, oh, I'm happy you 568 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 1: USC is down. We can win the conference. We can 569 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 1: do this. No, that doesn't mean that you're a better team. 570 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: It just means that you may get a fake a 571 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: couple of fake conference uh pack twelve South championships and 572 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: then lose to the team in the North. Like, that 573 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you're better. It just means that you're 574 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: just not the worst right right now, which doesn't get 575 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: you any closer to the ultimate goal of the conference 576 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: being respected, being financially solvent and secure and being and 577 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: just being respected on that national level. I just don't 578 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: get it. Rough. Yeah, and that's that's an enormous philosophical 579 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: philosophical divide. Words are hard. But you know, I'm going 580 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: on a podcast tonight called Speak of the Devil's one 581 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 1: that that's run by a couple of guys down here. 582 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: Um they cover Arizona State, and it's a really, really 583 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: wildly popular show. And one of the co hosts of 584 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: that show Joe Healey, who is the son of the 585 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,439 Speaker 1: Voice of the Sun Devil's Tim Healey. He is like 586 00:35:54,080 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: doctrinally tied to the idea that you do not need 587 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: to support anybody other than yourself. It's almost like that 588 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: and rand philosophy of like being selfish is good, right, 589 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: because you can't give what you don't have. You just 590 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: worry about you because there is no to him, there's 591 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: no empirical evidence that anybody else doing well actually helps you. Uh, 592 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: and so, and I think, you know, I I'm not 593 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: as super sold and we do this podcast obviously, but 594 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: I'm not as super sold on the whole like back 595 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 1: the pack idea. I think when it comes to your rival, 596 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: I think there should definitely be some exceptions if you 597 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: don't like a certain team, you don't like a certain coach, 598 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: do you or whatever. But I I don't understand being 599 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:46,439 Speaker 1: completely philosophically opposed to rooting for or to rooting against 600 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 1: every single pack twelveth school because every single thing that 601 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: they do wrong makes you look better by comparison. But 602 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: that that's his outlook is that every game that any 603 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: other team loses, any mistake that they make, any coach 604 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: that they are not able to retain, is just another 605 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: thing that you can take advantage of, um if your 606 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: Arizona State. And I'm sure that that will come up tonight, 607 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: because that's something that comes up every time that you know, 608 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: we we talk, and I'm I'm more with you definitely 609 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: than I than I am with him, because I genuinely 610 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: believe that, you know, at the end of the day, 611 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: sports is for entertainment, and uh, there's nothing more entertaining 612 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: than quality teams in quality competition period. You know, I 613 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 1: what doesn't matter what I'm watching. If it's the Olympics, 614 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: you know, I want you, Yeah, I want USA to 615 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: win every single gold medal in every single event. But 616 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 1: damn if it isn't ten times more interesting when it's 617 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: the miracle and USA shouldn't even be part of the 618 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: conversation and they go and blow up a team that's 619 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: supposed to be the best of the best of the best, 620 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 1: that's ten times better to me. Is that if everybody's 621 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: competing at the highest level in the world stage, it 622 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: just means more when you win. And so with the 623 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: PAC twelve. That's you know, I think that with any 624 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: level of competition, I I certainly love it when you 625 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: have two teams that are in pursuit of the college 626 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: football playoff one that one will be elevated by knocking 627 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 1: the other team off and the other one will it 628 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: will cost them a huge opportunity. You know. That's the 629 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: stuff that happens in the SEC every single year, and 630 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: that's the stuff that I would love to be happening 631 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: in the PAC twelve. I would love that. And and 632 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: that's why, like it's a crabs in the bucket mentality 633 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: I when I'm a back the pack guy. So when USC, 634 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,240 Speaker 1: even though I don't like USC, USC plays Alabama, I 635 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: want USC to win even if and my wife's a 636 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: U c. L A fan, and I'm hoping that she 637 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: can deal with them winning if it doubt it's gonna happen, 638 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: but I would rather it happened. Could there be any 639 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: better story from the PAC twelve then USC beating Alabama? 640 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: Alabama going to go run through the SEC and then 641 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: and and then your team, whoever your perspective team is, 642 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: Golden beats USC. Is there a better scenario for a 643 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: PAC twelve team. No, I think that would be fantastic, 644 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: to be fantastic for USC to be able to take 645 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 1: out the quarterback that they lost out on. You know, 646 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 1: Vice Young ends up winning that starting job for his 647 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,760 Speaker 1: one of his first games to be, you know, playing 648 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: against the team that he spurned, and for them to 649 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: take that game, that would be huge. That would be enormous, 650 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 1: especially with so much on the line for for USC. 651 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,760 Speaker 1: I would say the one place that this conference doesn't 652 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 1: lack in comparison to other conferences is drama. And you 653 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: just want that to end up being a good kind 654 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: of drama, you know for sure. And and I think that, 655 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, this season is really set up to be 656 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: pretty special if a couple of teams can take care 657 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: of business. Totally agree, Totally agree, And even as an 658 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: Oregon fan, I'll be rooting for Michigan. I'm sorry against 659 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: Michigan when they traveled to Husky Stadium. I would I 660 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 1: want Washington to win that game and then Oregon. I want, 661 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 1: obviously want Oregon to beat Ohio State and Washington fans 662 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 1: should want Oregon to beat Ohio State because of because 663 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: of Oregon can beat Ohio State and then Washington can 664 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: turn around and beat Oregon. What does that say about Washington? 665 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: Says you're damn good and you would have knocked Oregon 666 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: out of the National championship picture, you would have won 667 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: a recruiting war in a major year. When you have 668 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,240 Speaker 1: a bunch of recruits like you should wish the best 669 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,919 Speaker 1: like for your enemies and then beat your enemies, which 670 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: makes you look better. Ah Man, I digress though, Ralph, 671 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:57,919 Speaker 1: I digress. Oh um, we have a fan email though, Ralph, 672 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: you got uh scolded? You got scolded in an email. 673 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: So this is from s k O buffs. Here's the 674 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: email that was blasting Ralph. Here's what it said. From 675 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: the uh from the previous podcast said, before I tell 676 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: you how stupid the comment was on the show, let 677 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: me clear this uh that one as I write this, 678 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,280 Speaker 1: see you has not announced their head coach and two 679 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 1: being in me was is my top two choices for 680 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: the CEU head coaching vacancy. That said you're terrible. Take 681 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,919 Speaker 1: that see you. Fans against him coming in as head 682 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: coach deserve Everything Tucker did is so ill informed and 683 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: classic outside view with eight without a clue. Being in 684 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 1: me was o c for the two worst years in 685 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: SeeU history, and that wasn't his fault. He was a 686 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 1: He was part of the problem, though one he entirely 687 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: changed his offense in the middle of the season that 688 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: contributed contributed to the catering. To the cratering. He wanted 689 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: the head coach job and he didn't get it, So 690 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: there's always a power struggle. See You has a huge 691 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: disadvantage because of the politics of the subsequent regents. He 692 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: was arrested four times during his years in college and 693 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: that would absolutely be used unfairly as a as a 694 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: club by these regions against him. And most important, PI 695 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: enemy is an NFL style coach and didn't seem to 696 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 1: have the patients to be a college coach with the 697 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 1: way he interacted, which is a huge role in the 698 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 1: toxic environment. Again, I think he's grown and is a 699 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 1: better coach now that could flourish and boulder. But it's 700 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,399 Speaker 1: totally fair for see You fans to be skeptical. I'll 701 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: let you respond, Ralph. So that was from see You 702 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: at fulsome at gmail dot com. And uh, I mean, 703 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: I think it's a good email. I really do. I 704 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: think I think that saying I you know, I I 705 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: would hope that there was a little more nuance. I'd 706 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: have to go back and listen to it, but I did. 707 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: I was having a hard time grasping the idea that 708 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: University of Colorado fans believed very strongly in the wake 709 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: of losing Mel Tucker that they deserved something more or 710 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 1: something better than the Super Bowl winning offensive coordinator who 711 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: used to be part of the University of Colorado UM 712 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,960 Speaker 1: coaching system and as a player as well. So UM, 713 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 1: I think that I think that that comment was really 714 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 1: just more targeted at the people who were just so 715 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: outwardly against it, the same people who after the hiring 716 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,799 Speaker 1: of Carl Durell, who basically said like, I'm done, I'm 717 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,800 Speaker 1: not buying season tickets, I'm not given any more money, 718 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,399 Speaker 1: I'm I'm absolutely done, and I'm embarrassed by this whole thing. 719 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 1: And I think that was more targeted to people who 720 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: said that they would be embarrassed to have the enemy 721 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 1: as their head coach, not necessarily the people who would 722 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 1: be skeptical, because I think that every fan of every 723 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: program should have a healthy amount of skepticism about every 724 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,879 Speaker 1: coach in their program, and if you had that, then 725 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 1: it wouldn't hurt as bad when Mel Tucker takes a 726 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: truckload of money and skips down right, and and I 727 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: just you know, Carl Durrell in his UM press conference, 728 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 1: he used the buzzword long haul, right, I'm here for 729 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 1: the long haul. How many Colorado fans are going to 730 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: be stupid enough and and just desperate enough to hear 731 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: those words to fall all over themselves because Carl Durell 732 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 1: said that he was going to be here for the 733 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 1: long haul in the wake of them losing Mel Tucker, Like, oh, guys, 734 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: learn your lesson to learn stop asking head coaches how 735 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: long they're gonna be there, because they're just gonna be 736 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 1: there until they're not. Just just yeah, just what can 737 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 1: you do for me right now? And So I think 738 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 1: I don't think that I was targeting see you fans 739 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: who were skeptical. I think that skepticism is healthy, especially 740 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: in this day and age of just like living and 741 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,279 Speaker 1: dying with the decisions made by millionaires who are never 742 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: going to remember your name. So I don't know, man, 743 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: but I think it's a fair email. I mean, if 744 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: I was, I get that it sounded like I was 745 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 1: just beating up on Colorado fans. And I didn't mean 746 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: to do that, kicking them when they're down. Ralph, good job, 747 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:51,960 Speaker 1: but great job. Um. The last thing up that we 748 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,880 Speaker 1: got today is college basketball. We got the Pack twelve, 749 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: which is dude, I have no idea how the Pac 750 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: twelve standings are what they are because on the last 751 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,840 Speaker 1: podcast I said, and I still stand by whoever finishes 752 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,720 Speaker 1: in the number one and number two seeds and gets 753 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,160 Speaker 1: to buy are going to finish or are going to 754 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 1: win the Pac twelve championship one of those two teams, 755 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,399 Speaker 1: because I don't see anybody being able to win four 756 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 1: games in a row. But Arizona State has gone on 757 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: to win seven games in a row and the u 758 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: c l A Bruins going on to win five games 759 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: in a row. Ralph, I I cannot. And then also 760 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,799 Speaker 1: the Arizona Wildcats are still like number nine in the 761 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: net rankings. What is going on in in the conference? 762 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,879 Speaker 1: Because when we looked at a couple of weeks ago, 763 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,279 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, USC and Stanford were at 764 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,279 Speaker 1: the top of the conference, fighting for the top of 765 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,440 Speaker 1: the conference. U c l A look look look like 766 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 1: everybody was thinking, oh my god, do we hire the 767 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,520 Speaker 1: right guy with cronin and now he Sharif O'Neill left 768 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: looks like addition by subtraction. Now U c l A 769 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 1: actually might have a chance to make the n C 770 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,759 Speaker 1: Double A Tournament. I don't know what's going on. Row 771 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,920 Speaker 1: what what say you? Oh? Wait, hold on? Washing Washington 772 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 1: does still suck though, Yeah, yeah, I mean they I 773 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,759 Speaker 1: genuinely thought they'd be better. They got worked by Cal 774 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 1: the other day. I'm done. I'm done with predicting that 775 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:37,040 Speaker 1: Washington is going to be tough out. They're they're genuinely trash. 776 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 1: But I don't get it. And really, if it really 777 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,640 Speaker 1: just comes down to point guard, that's that's rough for them, 778 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,479 Speaker 1: because I feel like they got a really talented roster. 779 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 1: But uh, here, I'll say this, Um, I think I'm 780 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell on myself a little bit here, a 781 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,839 Speaker 1: lot of it actually, and say that I am not 782 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: a fan of advance statistics when it comes to college basketball. 783 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,840 Speaker 1: I'm a simple man. Did you win or did you lose? 784 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:13,000 Speaker 1: Are you shooting well? Are you playing good defense? Um? 785 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,239 Speaker 1: There are ebbs and flows. Averages don't mean much to 786 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,399 Speaker 1: me when they don't take into account who was playing win, 787 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,880 Speaker 1: especially if it's for the full season, and players come 788 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 1: and go and are injured and not and coaching makes 789 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,920 Speaker 1: a lot of difference in teams evolved and lineups change. Um, 790 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 1: So when you talk about like net rating and why 791 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,120 Speaker 1: someone is so low and how it's high, and how 792 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 1: it's going to affect the seatings, the I just I 793 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 1: want to fall asleep. Nothing in the entire world bores 794 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 1: me more than getting into the nitty gritty numbers and 795 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:50,280 Speaker 1: the bracketology and where somebody's gonna be seated and and why. 796 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, if you want 797 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,280 Speaker 1: to win in the tournament, you still have to literally 798 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,960 Speaker 1: beat everybody that that comes into your purview. You have 799 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,640 Speaker 1: to win games. In the end, everything comes down to 800 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,320 Speaker 1: the one statistic that a simpleton like me can understand. 801 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,839 Speaker 1: Do you have more points than the other team? Yes, well, 802 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 1: why do you get so much credit? So Arizona gets 803 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of credit for h five point lost to Baylor, 804 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,520 Speaker 1: a four point lost to Gonzago where they were damner 805 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,880 Speaker 1: down by by twenty and came back in garbage time, 806 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:28,040 Speaker 1: and two losses to Oregon, Like they're getting more credit 807 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,560 Speaker 1: for losses, Like they haven't even beat the only ranked 808 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,480 Speaker 1: team they beat is Colorado. They have not beat another 809 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,280 Speaker 1: ranked team, but they're so high in these net rankings. 810 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 1: I I'm a analytics and statistical guy, like I believe 811 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,560 Speaker 1: in these things, but I also believe that they gotta 812 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,799 Speaker 1: be waighted with with with human common sense, and this 813 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,879 Speaker 1: makes no sense to me. I just if you you're 814 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,919 Speaker 1: either winning or you're not winning. And I've watched enough 815 00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,400 Speaker 1: Arizona games to know that at the end of the game, 816 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,960 Speaker 1: if they're playing with a lead, they don't get the 817 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,399 Speaker 1: ball to Zeke Nagy. They just jack up threes from 818 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,280 Speaker 1: the outside. And if it were honestly, if it wasn't 819 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 1: for you know, nic Omainion's a special player, but he's 820 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,400 Speaker 1: not taking games over like he should. And if it 821 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: wasn't for Josh Green's energy, they wouldn't even be in 822 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,880 Speaker 1: some of these games that they've managed to win. They 823 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,200 Speaker 1: gotta find ways to just get the ball to Zeke Nagy. 824 00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,960 Speaker 1: He's your best player, and but they're not doing that. 825 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:26,719 Speaker 1: And with the end of that Oregon game when they 826 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,040 Speaker 1: were up sixty four to sixty, I was like, they're 827 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,840 Speaker 1: really just jacking up shots. Dylan Smith is out here 828 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,120 Speaker 1: just launching from all over the place, and Zeke Nagy 829 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,280 Speaker 1: is not even touching the ball on any of these possessions. 830 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,000 Speaker 1: It was absolutely ridiculous, you know. And then Josh Green 831 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,000 Speaker 1: ends up going down hitting his head on the floor 832 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,839 Speaker 1: with a couple of seconds left, and they leave him 833 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,520 Speaker 1: in to shoot free throws. He misses a boat, they 834 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,880 Speaker 1: go to overtime, the end up losing, And now you know, 835 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,600 Speaker 1: Peyton Pritchard is I think six and two UM in 836 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,280 Speaker 1: his college career against University of Arizona, which is incredibly impressive. 837 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,600 Speaker 1: But then you have you know, U c l A 838 00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 1: is just working everybody over and the and all I 839 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,360 Speaker 1: care about is the conference standings and how that affects 840 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,759 Speaker 1: the conference tournament. And then it's really obvious who's going 841 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,560 Speaker 1: to make the tournament and who's not. It really is, 842 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,520 Speaker 1: right like, we've reached the point where you thought maybe 843 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,959 Speaker 1: it was gonna be six. It could still be six, 844 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,680 Speaker 1: but it's probably gonna be five um, which is a 845 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,560 Speaker 1: it's a nice step forward. Um. But you know from 846 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,120 Speaker 1: the year two of them were out, one of them 847 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:31,000 Speaker 1: without in the playing game, right yeah, and then out 848 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,160 Speaker 1: in around sixty four. Are you more impressed with Arizona 849 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,680 Speaker 1: States seven game winning streak, or are you more impressed 850 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 1: with the way that u c l A Has been 851 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,440 Speaker 1: doing more than just getting close wins, They've you know, 852 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,800 Speaker 1: they won by seven at Colorado, they won by eleven 853 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,920 Speaker 1: at utah U, double digit win over Washington, you know 854 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:55,279 Speaker 1: they they they've they blew out University of Arizona on 855 00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:00,600 Speaker 1: the road. Um, really, they're only bad. Uh. The only 856 00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,360 Speaker 1: bad game they've played since the beginning of February was 857 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,600 Speaker 1: they had a twenty point lost to a s U. 858 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,160 Speaker 1: So which team is impressing you more right now? Is it? Uh? 859 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:15,640 Speaker 1: Is it the Bruins of the Sun Devils Bruins? Bruins? Dude? 860 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,239 Speaker 1: They looked horrendous in the beginning of the season. I 861 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,799 Speaker 1: mean absolutely just they looked trash. I mean they were 862 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,839 Speaker 1: really really bad. I mean, and you don't you weren't 863 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,799 Speaker 1: you weren't impressed by their four point went over Long 864 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:37,400 Speaker 1: Beach State. No? No, And they they've won what like 865 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,759 Speaker 1: ten out of their last twelve games. So yes, that 866 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,920 Speaker 1: is very impressive and with Arizona State to be to 867 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,400 Speaker 1: be truthful, I know this is gonna sound like sour 868 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,800 Speaker 1: grapes right right now, but Arizona State is having this 869 00:52:52,800 --> 00:53:02,160 Speaker 1: this like mythical unexplained success this year, Like, look at 870 00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,920 Speaker 1: what has happened, look at the for two of these 871 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,759 Speaker 1: things that have happened to Arizona. The Oregon fan in 872 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,360 Speaker 1: you is is poking out that I can hear the bitterness. 873 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:17,960 Speaker 1: So they beat Oregon's football team inexplicably. But oh but oh, 874 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,800 Speaker 1: I almost forgot. We have to talk about that conspiracy theory. 875 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:28,279 Speaker 1: So the so they inexplicably beat Oregon's football team, they 876 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,719 Speaker 1: beat Oregon's men's basketball team, like how the hell did 877 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,120 Speaker 1: that happen? And then they but even more, how the 878 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,440 Speaker 1: hell did that happen? You bad luck Jinks? Or you 879 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,640 Speaker 1: went to the game where Oregon's women played against Arizona State. 880 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,480 Speaker 1: How does how does the Arizona State's women's team beat Oregon? 881 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,399 Speaker 1: Explain that to me? You've been to Jinks and being there, 882 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,160 Speaker 1: I you know, Arizona State women's basketball is close to 883 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,920 Speaker 1: my heart because they've a four year starter and Robbie Ryan, 884 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,040 Speaker 1: who I've known since she was you know, before she 885 00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,400 Speaker 1: was even in kindergarten. You know, I lived up in 886 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,759 Speaker 1: Wyoming and she was my um. She she'd like hand 887 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,279 Speaker 1: out orange slices to the team's i'd coach at halftime, 888 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,440 Speaker 1: you know, followed me around wharing her older brothers basketball 889 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,360 Speaker 1: shorts and stuff and just four older brothers and sisters 890 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,719 Speaker 1: and it just became this mega athletes. So when she 891 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,840 Speaker 1: committed to a SU and I was covering the program, 892 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,160 Speaker 1: that was the coolest thing in the world to me, 893 00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,600 Speaker 1: because you know, two people from a small town in Wyoming, 894 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,560 Speaker 1: and you know someone who have known since she was little. 895 00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,080 Speaker 1: You know, I go out to see her play every 896 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,840 Speaker 1: once in a while. But the truth of the matter 897 00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 1: is I was out there to see what I believe 898 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,120 Speaker 1: is the number one team in the country and that 899 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,440 Speaker 1: I believe has two or three of the top five 900 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,279 Speaker 1: players in the country. And uh, and the fact that 901 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,480 Speaker 1: a SU won that game was mine because I mean, 902 00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,120 Speaker 1: they matched up again and and and Oregon blew them out. 903 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:54,399 Speaker 1: But I think it's just, uh, it's an Austen Tempe thing. 904 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,640 Speaker 1: I I I think that it's it's just a cursed 905 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,320 Speaker 1: year for the Ducks when they when they head and 906 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,839 Speaker 1: in the TYMP because that when surprised me more than 907 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,640 Speaker 1: the than a s U football knocking Oregon out of 908 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:16,399 Speaker 1: the hunt for the college football playoff. Yeah, I don't expect. Well, 909 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,000 Speaker 1: the the good news is is that it'll all be 910 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,920 Speaker 1: over when the season's over with so and then they'll 911 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,239 Speaker 1: probably Arizona State's softball team will will mess around and 912 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,320 Speaker 1: win two and it will just be just and that 913 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:35,719 Speaker 1: they would have completed the um the hat trick. And 914 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,200 Speaker 1: oh but but the Pack twelve would have us, you know, 915 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,360 Speaker 1: they would probably have us pay attention to grant it, 916 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,400 Speaker 1: all these sports are important, but they would want us 917 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,799 Speaker 1: to quote the what has happened in water polo or 918 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,640 Speaker 1: gymnastics or whatever that we would have to google and 919 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,360 Speaker 1: people would be like, why are they talking about this anyway? 920 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 1: Um So, but I don't know. I think that when 921 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,960 Speaker 1: the tournament time comes around, obviously you're gonna have the 922 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,239 Speaker 1: Oregon is gonna make it, Arizona is gonna make it, 923 00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:16,480 Speaker 1: Colorado is gonna make it. I think USC is on 924 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:21,480 Speaker 1: the fence right now. Arizona State, you know, so, so 925 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,359 Speaker 1: Arizona State's probably going to make it, and then you 926 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,080 Speaker 1: may have either U c l A Or Stanford be 927 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,960 Speaker 1: able to slip in, but probably U c l A 928 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,920 Speaker 1: is looking like a possibility at this point, right they 929 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:37,799 Speaker 1: gotta be yeah, they're just playing so well. And I 930 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,319 Speaker 1: and I, you know, I watch every A s U 931 00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,319 Speaker 1: game and I've I've watched a little bit of U 932 00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,000 Speaker 1: c l A. Not as much as um, not as 933 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,200 Speaker 1: much as I should, but I will say that, you know, 934 00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,560 Speaker 1: I love U c l A's athleticism. I love how 935 00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,040 Speaker 1: much they attack. I feel like defense is really where 936 00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,399 Speaker 1: they're kind of rounding things out a s you kind 937 00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,800 Speaker 1: of living in dyeing by how they're kind of small, 938 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,920 Speaker 1: three guard, four guard lineups play. And they got a 939 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,120 Speaker 1: guy coming off the bench in Alonso Verge who is 940 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,800 Speaker 1: a just a freak with the ball in his hands. Um, 941 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,040 Speaker 1: and I mean Bradley Beale was given him a shout 942 00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:20,080 Speaker 1: out on Twitter the other day, calling him unstoppable and stuff, 943 00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,439 Speaker 1: and and he's definitely got incredible handles. And I feel 944 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,320 Speaker 1: like if he I think I had tweeted, if he 945 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,480 Speaker 1: figures the rest out, he's gonna need an accountant for 946 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,560 Speaker 1: his accountant. And he's averaging over twenty points a game 947 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,000 Speaker 1: since the turn of the new year off the bench. 948 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,480 Speaker 1: You know, he's playing really really well. I just feel 949 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,880 Speaker 1: like that they're so dependent on whether or not he 950 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,000 Speaker 1: keeps this hot streak up right now, Um that it's 951 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,800 Speaker 1: a little bit harder to have faith in in a 952 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,640 Speaker 1: s U over what's going on at U c l A, 953 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,680 Speaker 1: which seems to be like the whole team is clicking 954 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:53,760 Speaker 1: at the exact same time. But as a s U 955 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,440 Speaker 1: fans will remind you, these two teams lined up against 956 00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,919 Speaker 1: each other, they took the chord against each other rather 957 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,440 Speaker 1: and and and a SU blow them blew them out 958 00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,400 Speaker 1: just a couple of weeks ago. So, um, I don't know, 959 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,800 Speaker 1: but I will say that, you know, I had said 960 00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,240 Speaker 1: the last podcast that I was sleeping on Colorado, and 961 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:12,960 Speaker 1: I think this week we kind of found out why. 962 00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:17,560 Speaker 1: It's just that they they're not winning the games that 963 00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,720 Speaker 1: matter the absolute most, and so it's hard to have 964 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,240 Speaker 1: faith in them when they do that. And you've been 965 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,760 Speaker 1: sleeping on Arizona State too. But who who wins the 966 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:30,360 Speaker 1: Pactuel Player of the Year for the Men? I was 967 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:35,200 Speaker 1: gonna call him al alas Ah, Remy Martin or Peyton 968 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,919 Speaker 1: Pritchard because I think that at the at this point, 969 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,200 Speaker 1: those that are only two realistic options right now. Yeah, 970 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:47,600 Speaker 1: Peyton Pritchard because for some reason, Remmy Martin just doesn't 971 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,280 Speaker 1: have the respect to the conference. Remmy Martin had an 972 00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,640 Speaker 1: incredible year last year and he didn't even make second team, 973 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,480 Speaker 1: like he got snubbed. So I don't see him going 974 00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:01,160 Speaker 1: from not even making one of the All Packed twelve 975 00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,680 Speaker 1: teams to winning Player of the Year. I think some 976 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:08,240 Speaker 1: of that same disrespectful energy will will kind of take 977 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,240 Speaker 1: hold and and should be an issue for him and 978 00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,160 Speaker 1: Peyton Pritchard. Scoring thirty eight on the road against you 979 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:19,280 Speaker 1: of a, even though he played like garbage in that overtime, Um, 980 00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,640 Speaker 1: you know, I think that that that's going to stick 981 00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,040 Speaker 1: out to some people. UM. And then if it was 982 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:25,400 Speaker 1: just if it was up to me, if I was 983 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,400 Speaker 1: the one casting the deciding vote, UM, I would tell 984 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,840 Speaker 1: you that I probably need two more weeks to really 985 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,120 Speaker 1: make up my mind. But if it was over today, 986 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:37,120 Speaker 1: I'd say Peyton Pitcher. I agree, I would say as 987 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:42,280 Speaker 1: Peyton Pritcher right now. But ultimately it's gonna you know, 988 00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:48,480 Speaker 1: if if Oregon doesn't win the conference and Peyton doesn't 989 00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,880 Speaker 1: have some huge games, I think his thirty eight point 990 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:55,520 Speaker 1: game the other night just really set him over the edge. Um. 991 00:59:55,560 --> 01:00:00,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, he's got an opportunity to think that. Remy 992 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Martin still has an opportunity to win the um, to 993 01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,680 Speaker 1: win the award, and I think on the women's side, 994 01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:12,760 Speaker 1: it's kind of a foregone conclusion that Sabrina I and 995 01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,320 Speaker 1: I ask you regardless, there have been some other there 996 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:23,680 Speaker 1: are some other women who are doing some fantastic things 997 01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,439 Speaker 1: in the conference and in college basketball in general. But 998 01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:32,160 Speaker 1: you know, she's just got so much moment momentum. She's 999 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,120 Speaker 1: leading the conference, she's leading the nation, and assists all 1000 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,480 Speaker 1: of this is gonna be hard to and all these 1001 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,160 Speaker 1: triple doubles. It's gonna be very hard to dethrone her 1002 01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,200 Speaker 1: from you know, from the Wooden Award and from the 1003 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,120 Speaker 1: pactual Player of the Year. Again, they should just name 1004 01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:51,160 Speaker 1: the award after her, to be honest, dude, she's all 1005 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,440 Speaker 1: time and Z double a at the reporters, I mean, 1006 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:58,440 Speaker 1: all sorts of crazy stats that sometimes when you're caught 1007 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,560 Speaker 1: up in the moment, you don't realize. It's like you're like, 1008 01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,840 Speaker 1: hold up, this is one of the quickest women's basketball 1009 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,920 Speaker 1: players of all time. Like we're watching like you know, 1010 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:12,520 Speaker 1: like like Sue Bird and yeah, Rebecca Lobo, and you know, well, 1011 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:16,800 Speaker 1: the way the team's built is helpful to her. But 1012 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,680 Speaker 1: when I watch her play, I'm not unconvinced that if 1013 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,960 Speaker 1: she was on a bad team that she couldn't just 1014 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,600 Speaker 1: turn it on and drop forty a game. Yep, exactly. 1015 01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:30,360 Speaker 1: I totally agree with that. I totally agree with that. Um. 1016 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,920 Speaker 1: The last thing, though, Ralph, is this conspiracy theory that 1017 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:39,080 Speaker 1: I found and wrapped you up in. There's an Oregon 1018 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:49,160 Speaker 1: Arizona State conspiracy theory and its surrounds um Princess gil. Uh. 1019 01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,720 Speaker 1: This is this takes me back to the to the 1020 01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:58,000 Speaker 1: days of Oregon with the bedsheets on the sidelines. Yeah, well, 1021 01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:02,400 Speaker 1: well listen, there there is a reason because so maybe 1022 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,640 Speaker 1: the Arizona State sun Devils are the Houston astros um. 1023 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,880 Speaker 1: And so I roped Ralph into this into this conspiracy 1024 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:18,040 Speaker 1: theory from some Oregon fans about Princess Guil who was 1025 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,320 Speaker 1: an analystic Oregon and he came down to Arizona State 1026 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:26,840 Speaker 1: to be the wide receivers coach. Yeah, he's the They 1027 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,760 Speaker 1: have two wide receivers coaches and no tight ends coach. 1028 01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:36,120 Speaker 1: So you know, you you remember Derrick Hagan. Derrick Hagan 1029 01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,880 Speaker 1: is sort of over Prentice Gill and equal with Prentice 1030 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,760 Speaker 1: Guill at the same time. They just wanted to give 1031 01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:50,680 Speaker 1: Princess Guila a job for what for what? Uh? There 1032 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:57,080 Speaker 1: is some some you know, some some deep state rumors, 1033 01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,959 Speaker 1: some of these dark alley rumors that are going around. 1034 01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:04,520 Speaker 1: They said that Prentice Guild against Arizona State, that before 1035 01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:10,720 Speaker 1: the Arizona State game, Prentice Guild gave Arizona State either 1036 01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:15,680 Speaker 1: a playbook or signals that Oregon was using and that's 1037 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:20,360 Speaker 1: why they were having so much trouble offensively and defensively 1038 01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,640 Speaker 1: in the game against Arizona State. Because I mean, but 1039 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,600 Speaker 1: when you look at it, there's the reason why people 1040 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,400 Speaker 1: actually believe that this could have happened is because a 1041 01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,680 Speaker 1: right after the game he goes to go um not 1042 01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:36,160 Speaker 1: not so long after the game he goes to go 1043 01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:42,160 Speaker 1: work for Arizona State. And also like that game was 1044 01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:48,480 Speaker 1: almost an outlier for Oregon's defense and offense. So people 1045 01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:53,240 Speaker 1: are taking this is that it could be gospel. You 1046 01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:57,520 Speaker 1: have dealt in Arizona ralph with with people giving away playbooks, 1047 01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,360 Speaker 1: with that, with that high school conspiracy theory was that 1048 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,360 Speaker 1: that wasn't even conspiracy theory, that was just a conspiracy. 1049 01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,600 Speaker 1: But do you think that there's any way Princess Guil 1050 01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:18,200 Speaker 1: gave away a playbook. I don't think so. I mean, 1051 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:25,400 Speaker 1: I don't really know for a job. See, I don't 1052 01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,280 Speaker 1: know about that because he's just really well connected in 1053 01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:32,840 Speaker 1: southern California. Um here, here's here's what I'll say, Uh, 1054 01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:41,720 Speaker 1: Oregon should have ran the ball right, Like, it wouldn't 1055 01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,160 Speaker 1: matter how many pages of a playbook that you had 1056 01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,160 Speaker 1: if you just go to run behind that that massive 1057 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:52,760 Speaker 1: offensive line that was destroying Arizona States defensive front. So 1058 01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,560 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what to say, George, Like, 1059 01:04:55,680 --> 01:05:00,320 Speaker 1: I could it be true? Do people even have playbooks anymore? 1060 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,000 Speaker 1: Would he have to hand hand over an iPad? I 1061 01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:07,160 Speaker 1: don't know. I just I will say this, Prentice gil 1062 01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:16,960 Speaker 1: has not one himself any fans in Eugene um By 1063 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,720 Speaker 1: by the way that he's sort of making it sound 1064 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:24,120 Speaker 1: like he was disrespected by not getting a job from them, 1065 01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:28,440 Speaker 1: because he's still young, right, Like he's still he's he's 1066 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,920 Speaker 1: working his way up. He's got a job really really quickly. 1067 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,480 Speaker 1: He's got a job the old fashioned way, which um 1068 01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,680 Speaker 1: is you know the who you know? Right, And it's 1069 01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,360 Speaker 1: not who he knows, or it's not who knows him, 1070 01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,000 Speaker 1: it's who he knows. He they brought him on for 1071 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,760 Speaker 1: for his ability to recruit. They brought him on, and 1072 01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,760 Speaker 1: they brought what Chris Hawkins on as well, who's like 1073 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,800 Speaker 1: twenty four years old, to also be a position coach. 1074 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,560 Speaker 1: And this is at a school where Ray Anderson hired 1075 01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,959 Speaker 1: his old client to be the head coach. Like Arizona State, 1076 01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,080 Speaker 1: very much represent sense that it's not who you know, 1077 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,920 Speaker 1: but or what you know, but who you know right, 1078 01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:11,240 Speaker 1: whether you can recruit, whether um, you have former former 1079 01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,440 Speaker 1: employment allegiances. And I think that that that that's the 1080 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,720 Speaker 1: case for most football teams, except for when it comes 1081 01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,440 Speaker 1: to the most important thing, calling your offense, because then 1082 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,840 Speaker 1: they go out and bring Zach Hillen from the outside, right, 1083 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,200 Speaker 1: So this whole thing is just wild to me. I 1084 01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,520 Speaker 1: think that there's a breeding ground to be able to 1085 01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:33,600 Speaker 1: make accusations like this from the Oregon side just because 1086 01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,200 Speaker 1: I'm smiling super bad right now because I just don't 1087 01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,280 Speaker 1: think it matters, but just because of the way he's 1088 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,720 Speaker 1: sort of conducted himself, which is like I'll show them, 1089 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,160 Speaker 1: um when I think most Oregon fans are really happy 1090 01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,840 Speaker 1: for any assistant or analyst who has success elsewhere, So 1091 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,479 Speaker 1: I think maybe they're a little bit taken aback by 1092 01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:57,280 Speaker 1: the whole thing. And there's also this belief, this little 1093 01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,520 Speaker 1: bit of superiority complex with Oregon, that nobody would actually 1094 01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:04,240 Speaker 1: leave Oregon unless there was some sort of arrangement made 1095 01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,640 Speaker 1: right or unless they were fired. You know, who would 1096 01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,080 Speaker 1: ever want to leave Eugene. And so I think some 1097 01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:14,680 Speaker 1: of those things, or unless your dad sick? Fair fair, yes, 1098 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:19,600 Speaker 1: but yeah, best of luck to to coach Dante. But 1099 01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:23,600 Speaker 1: even I've seen him get some heat. So um, I 1100 01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:27,720 Speaker 1: will say that I do not believe that he did 1101 01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:32,200 Speaker 1: something as brash as giving plays to the Arizona State 1102 01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:37,520 Speaker 1: coaching staff which resulted in him getting a job. What 1103 01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:41,680 Speaker 1: I will say is it doesn't matter because that stuff 1104 01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,520 Speaker 1: is already out there, just like it was out there 1105 01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,640 Speaker 1: that Graham was stealing signs and everything like that. At 1106 01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:50,360 Speaker 1: want something like that starts to spread around, all you 1107 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,840 Speaker 1: can do is line up play because you know it's 1108 01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,920 Speaker 1: there's not anything that's gonna come from it, right like 1109 01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,320 Speaker 1: some people are gonna believe it no matter what. Some 1110 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,960 Speaker 1: people are going uh poopoo wit no matter what. Um, 1111 01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,680 Speaker 1: I just think it's silly, But I love it. I 1112 01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,960 Speaker 1: love I love the mess in us of it. Well, 1113 01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:13,000 Speaker 1: what do you think about those those messages, those direct 1114 01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:18,360 Speaker 1: messages that were sent from Princess Gill's account to a 1115 01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:23,479 Speaker 1: fan that we're disparaging Mario Cristo Ball said he lied 1116 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,960 Speaker 1: to Keith Heyward that if he got that, he would 1117 01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:31,599 Speaker 1: get defensive coordinator. If he got Cabon dibode O, uh 1118 01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,759 Speaker 1: told Dante Williams he get the coach, the entire secondary 1119 01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:40,360 Speaker 1: all of this and then the Burner account associated with it. 1120 01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,880 Speaker 1: I will, hey, guys, I will put the linkingness in 1121 01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:49,599 Speaker 1: the description of the UM in the description of the podcast. 1122 01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,360 Speaker 1: So if you guys want to know what we're we're 1123 01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:57,360 Speaker 1: talking about, this is an entire rabbit hole. Yeah, I would. 1124 01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:01,000 Speaker 1: I I will end by saying this Arizona State hired 1125 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,439 Speaker 1: some young people who are doing young people ship, right, 1126 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,360 Speaker 1: Like this is the day and age where everybody's got 1127 01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:14,000 Speaker 1: a burner um. You know, everybody is worried about what 1128 01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:20,960 Speaker 1: everybody else thinks. People who have absolutely no UM impact 1129 01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,840 Speaker 1: on your life whatsoever, get to have a voice into 1130 01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,200 Speaker 1: what it is you're doing on this show. We just 1131 01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,719 Speaker 1: read an email from a Colorado fan that I don't 1132 01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,240 Speaker 1: know that we're never gonna meet you know, saying that 1133 01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,600 Speaker 1: my comments were idiotic and stupid and all that, and 1134 01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:37,879 Speaker 1: we gave it time, right, So that's just that's just today, 1135 01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,840 Speaker 1: and these kids are today, and and you know, her 1136 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,720 Speaker 1: Edwards is of the generation of that don't press send generation. Right. 1137 01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,240 Speaker 1: But but if you're gonna hire these young guys, you're 1138 01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,479 Speaker 1: gonna deal with young people ship, and young people ship 1139 01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,559 Speaker 1: is having burners, is putting all their business out there, 1140 01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,280 Speaker 1: and uh. And I think that Prentice Gill is gonna 1141 01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,439 Speaker 1: learn some lessons as he goes, and hopefully he's got 1142 01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,320 Speaker 1: the grace and the leash in order to learn them. 1143 01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,960 Speaker 1: I will say that putting people's messages out there for 1144 01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:08,680 Speaker 1: clout is lame, stupid. Yes, it's stupid, but it's out 1145 01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,120 Speaker 1: there now and we're all reading it, and we're all 1146 01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,519 Speaker 1: so now we now we're talking about it. But I 1147 01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,000 Speaker 1: will say the decision to do something like that in 1148 01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:21,679 Speaker 1: the first place is corny. Yes, corny, lame, all of that. Um. 1149 01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,280 Speaker 1: But and then he turned around and was petty. He 1150 01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:30,080 Speaker 1: was he was petty whopped petty print is gil? He said, Oh, 1151 01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,880 Speaker 1: that l a pipeline looking real shaky right now. When 1152 01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:40,679 Speaker 1: Dante Williams left so yeah, shots shots fired, buddy. So 1153 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,479 Speaker 1: if um granted the Oregon Arizona stake quote unquote is 1154 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,919 Speaker 1: not a rivalry yet, you know it's not a thing. However, 1155 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,960 Speaker 1: these are the things. How gay How how beef start? 1156 01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:58,200 Speaker 1: Because amen? And I'm more beef, more beeful around. Let's 1157 01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:02,880 Speaker 1: make the whole pack twelve and RBS, dude, I love it. 1158 01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,479 Speaker 1: I love it because that it gives you. It just 1159 01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:09,600 Speaker 1: increases the magnitude forever game. I mean, Stanford became a 1160 01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:14,200 Speaker 1: rivalry with USC That game became important after Stanford started 1161 01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:19,519 Speaker 1: winning games. The Stanford Oregon became a rivalry because Stanford 1162 01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:23,960 Speaker 1: just kept knocking or in the out just on some randomness. 1163 01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:29,680 Speaker 1: And then Washington Oregon huge rivalry. Now Arizona State is 1164 01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:33,120 Speaker 1: trying to come in and mix it up all were 1165 01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,719 Speaker 1: we're recruiting, we're doing this. You know, they haven't really 1166 01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,559 Speaker 1: made a big stamp yet, but they are making noise 1167 01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,519 Speaker 1: and there are and they are starting to bother people, 1168 01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,200 Speaker 1: which is how you you know, how you really kick 1169 01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:50,759 Speaker 1: things off in the first place. But thank you guys 1170 01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,400 Speaker 1: for listening to the Pack twelve apostles. We appreciate your time, 1171 01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:58,320 Speaker 1: appreciate your energy. 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