WEBVTT - Hey Paal! Did You Steal Edvard Munch's "The Scream"?

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime. It's a production of Iheartradiobe.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, Hi, So I have a question for you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because I saw you walk in with this big smile

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<v Speaker 2>on your face. I don't want to ruin it, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna ask you a question. Feels ridiculous, I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew it from the look.

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<v Speaker 3>I know what's ridiculous. You like corn? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Both the band?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, both the vegetable the edible treat and then with

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<v Speaker 3>a k the band. Do you like that the lead

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<v Speaker 3>singer Jonathan Davis.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah, totally. He and I are both style kings

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to the Didas tracksuit being our signature love.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. Well, here's another area in which he's a style king.

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<v Speaker 3>He has a company called Freak on a Leash, which

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<v Speaker 3>is the name of the band's song, one of.

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<v Speaker 2>The songs, one of their big hits.

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<v Speaker 3>Freak on a Leash is a pet accessory company.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right there.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right there. And so he has a new collaboration

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<v Speaker 3>with some I don't know, some like celebrity stylist.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, is give me the first mashup? I like?

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<v Speaker 3>I think so. Ashton Michael is Ashton Herona is a

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<v Speaker 3>I guess he's a stylist anyway, Ashton Heroda Ashton. He

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<v Speaker 3>has a company, Ashton Michael. They're doing a.

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<v Speaker 2>Collab Ashton Michael.

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<v Speaker 3>With freaking elish graphic bandanas, a ouigi plush toy, a

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<v Speaker 3>suede tug rope toy.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe say aigi board like the what do they call it?

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<v Speaker 2>A plank like the select type thing?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what's that called it? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, boards mouse.

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<v Speaker 3>It's happened to me a couple of times in my

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<v Speaker 3>life where I have to remember what that word is.

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<v Speaker 3>Plank at plank.

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<v Speaker 2>Plantchett, planchet. Oh, that's what you're looking.

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<v Speaker 3>For, Elizabeth, you did it again where you go? So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you can see that they A'm showing you a picture

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<v Speaker 3>right now. Yes, huh. It's basically looks like those studded

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<v Speaker 3>punk belts. Yeah, kind of, you know, you know, full disclosure.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got two dogs now, it's true, and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think either of them would look appropriate in free condition.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't think so. Even if I like split to

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<v Speaker 2>them and like, I like, try this on, they're less

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<v Speaker 2>corn your flesh Mama will love more.

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<v Speaker 3>Like Grateful Dead seventy four.

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<v Speaker 2>Mellows like you know they belong in like a.

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<v Speaker 3>Garden, Yeah, like an Almond Brothers, like.

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<v Speaker 2>A solo broken glass.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, they're not bad Boy Joneses. They're sweety pies.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, so anyway, free condilish dog apparel. There's an

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<v Speaker 3>entire website.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, this is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>You got me to like, I know, I found a

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<v Speaker 3>mashup corn and dog collars.

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<v Speaker 2>Collars.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they have like a harness that looks like a

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<v Speaker 3>little like denim vest from the dirt bag, very fun

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<v Speaker 3>from the ice cell sing lit cigarettesleveless gas station parking lot.

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<v Speaker 2>We freighted yet took a jacket and cut the slee patches.

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<v Speaker 3>For like corn. And then you go up to the

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<v Speaker 3>dog and you're like, name three songs. You're not a

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<v Speaker 3>real corn fans.

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<v Speaker 2>The owner's looking at me all strange. What's wrong with you? Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey man? You're your dog's always coming at me with this.

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<v Speaker 3>You're the one with a freak on a leash. See,

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<v Speaker 3>there's so much right there right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I got a question for you. That's not that,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know?

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<v Speaker 3>It's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>You know how they say what made the Mona Lisa famous?

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that it was painted by Leonardo da Vinci.

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<v Speaker 3>Is Leonardo DiCaprio.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that not that either, Elizabeth. Yeah, you need to

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<v Speaker 2>go back to school, open the schools. And it isn't

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<v Speaker 2>because it's a priceless masterpiece. It is. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a priceless masterpiece. But that's not why it's famous. Apparently

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<v Speaker 2>it's famous because, as we've covered here on the show before,

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<v Speaker 2>the Mona Lisa became famous when it was stolen. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess what, Elizabeth, that's also the reason that the

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<v Speaker 2>painting the Scream is famous. Oh really, at least that's

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who stole it, says.

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<v Speaker 3>And he would say that, he would.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous campers,

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<v Speaker 2>heist sands cons It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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<v Speaker 2>and one hundred percent ridiculous. Baby is Elizabeth Darren today.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to start our story by reading from

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<v Speaker 2>a diary. I would, but don't worry, it's not my diary.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't keep a diary. My Pops taught me you

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<v Speaker 2>don't keep notes on a criminal conspiracy. Wait wait, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>being told on my airpiece that was not my pops.

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<v Speaker 2>Stringer Bell from the wire either way. I don't keep

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<v Speaker 2>a diary, but you know who does, or rather who did?

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<v Speaker 2>Edvard Munch, the Norwegian painter.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know much about him?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well he was well and this is from the

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times description of him, and I quote a

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<v Speaker 2>troubled recluse who lived in only two rooms of a

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<v Speaker 2>large house in Oslo, the rest of which was filled

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<v Speaker 2>with storage boxes, clutter, and paintings that he refused to sell.

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<v Speaker 2>When he died in nineteen forty four at age eighty,

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<v Speaker 2>he willed his art to the city, which built the

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<v Speaker 2>Munch Museum house.

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<v Speaker 3>It dream setup now sadly, as the Time.

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<v Speaker 2>Also notes, quote, city officials have been criticized for spending

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<v Speaker 2>too little to protect and promote it. Oh yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>what about his artwork though, well.

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<v Speaker 3>What about it? It's very very sensual, very not central

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<v Speaker 3>as it's troubled.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would say, vivid colors, ving much like van

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<v Speaker 2>Go where he is working with heavy brushstrokes, yes, and

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<v Speaker 2>heavy mental heaviness. So yeah, he very much drew him

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<v Speaker 2>from his experience of life. Right. So, for instance, the

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<v Speaker 2>inspiration of his most famous work came from a sunset

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<v Speaker 2>he saw one day. Story goes, he's out walking with

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<v Speaker 2>a pair of friends. The sun is setting. It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>He's overcome. The mood was severe. It captivates his mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Right the sky looks like blood Edvard Munch pauses a moment,

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<v Speaker 2>tells his friends, I need to take this all in right.

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<v Speaker 2>He sits down or whatever, like on a fence, leans

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<v Speaker 2>on it whatever. He's overcome by the beauty, the horror

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<v Speaker 2>of this blood red sky. He says, it's like tongues

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<v Speaker 2>of fire licking the heavens above a blue black fjord.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are his words right now. We all know this

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<v Speaker 2>because he recorded in his diary. On January twenty second,

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen ninety two, Edvard Munch scribbled in his diary, and

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<v Speaker 2>I quote one in the evening, I was walking along

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<v Speaker 2>a path. The city was on one side and the

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<v Speaker 2>fjord below. I felt tired and ill, and I stopped

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<v Speaker 2>and looked out over the fjord. The sun was setting,

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<v Speaker 2>and the clouds turning blood red, and a scream passing

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<v Speaker 2>through nature. It seemed to me that I heard the scream.

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<v Speaker 2>I painted this picture, painted the clouds as actual blood.

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<v Speaker 2>The color shrieked. This became the scream, Elizabeth, I can

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<v Speaker 2>only assume that you were familiar with the painting the Scream.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you like it?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, it's not it's not that I don't like it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have, you know, strong feelings either way. I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's hearing this story. It's really interesting because you

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<v Speaker 3>don't really think of sunsets, at least I don't in

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<v Speaker 3>that sort of sinister I mean, you can have it

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<v Speaker 3>in kind of a melancholy way, but a scream go

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<v Speaker 3>through nature. Yeah, it seems more urgent, and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we're in a Hertzog. Only he would hear the

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<v Speaker 2>scream in nature, in a sunset exactly. Now, there's some

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<v Speaker 2>theories that what Munch was experiencing that afternoon on his

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<v Speaker 2>walk with his friends we would now call a panic attack.

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<v Speaker 2>The painting is an artist rendition of a panic attack. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I agree with that or even

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<v Speaker 2>really like that theory. I mean, it's fun to contemplate,

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<v Speaker 2>but I really this diagnosing things retroactively, even if it applies,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, but you know me, I'm not a

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<v Speaker 2>big fan of labels anyway. Edvard Munch he paints the

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<v Speaker 2>Scream in eighteen ninety three. In fact, he painted it

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<v Speaker 2>multiple times, twice in pastels, twice in oils, as if

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<v Speaker 2>you were seeking a way to capture what he experienced,

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<v Speaker 2>that scream of nature. Right, there's another interesting theory about

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<v Speaker 2>the painting that Edvard Munch saw that day, the tongues

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<v Speaker 2>of fire licking the heavens over the blue black fjord

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<v Speaker 2>and those blood red skies, and there may have been

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<v Speaker 2>a meteorological cause for it. Okay, So some scholars suggested

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<v Speaker 2>Edvard Munch was so taken with the sky because of

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<v Speaker 2>the eruption of the supervolcano Krakatoa. Like it was huge,

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<v Speaker 2>It was massive when it erupted. People nineteen hundred miles

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<v Speaker 2>away in Perth, Australia heard the explosion. People three thousand

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<v Speaker 2>miles away, and Mauritius they heard the explosion, three thousand

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<v Speaker 2>miles away heard the explosions. It destroyed seventy percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the island of Krakatoa when it went off, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>it turned sky's blood red with the ash and dust

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<v Speaker 2>all around the globe, right, just darken skies, including as

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<v Speaker 2>far away as Norway. Yeah, there's only one problem with

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<v Speaker 2>this theory though. Edvard Moons painted the scream in eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety three, and Krakatoa erupted in eighteen eighty three, a

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<v Speaker 2>full decade earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he could have been sitting on that idea for

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<v Speaker 3>a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, the skies were not blood red for a decade though,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's doubtful that the super volcano. But perhaps he did. Wait,

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<v Speaker 2>but he makes it seem as if he painted it

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<v Speaker 2>very urgent.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, remember when the wildfire's here. It was during COVID time,

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<v Speaker 3>so I think it was like what twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty, Yeah, the Blade Runner Scots.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're an entire day now that that is something

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of was panic inducing for you. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 3>it was so unsettling. It was perpetual sunset all day long.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything was orange and red. When he looked outside, that

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<v Speaker 3>the entire sky, everything.

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<v Speaker 2>It was gonna go away. So I love it, But.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I kept thinking, what if it doesn't. That's the

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<v Speaker 3>worst case scenario. And it was really unsettling, and it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was weird in terms of, you know, disrupting your

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<v Speaker 3>circadian of them, your sense of time of day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, overcast guys do that too.

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<v Speaker 1>Me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't tell. But I used the sun to

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<v Speaker 2>mark time. Okay a lot. It's no I do. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a habit I got into as a house painter.

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<v Speaker 2>You're outside all the time. You know exactly where the

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<v Speaker 2>sun's at this point, it means that suns at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>it means that you use the sun just subtly to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of track your day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, when it's overcast, you're just.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I'm screwed. I have no que They am, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm like a guy with a sun dial. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't tell you what time.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, but I mean I could see how that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of if it was Krakatoa, it would, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>stay with you and then maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, five years from now you see it again.

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<v Speaker 3>Really terrifying poem about this blade Runner Scott.

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<v Speaker 2>There's another theory for what inspired the world famous painting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's based on the view that the view of the

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<v Speaker 2>painting like actually what you see. People figured out where

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<v Speaker 2>he was standing for that picture. It was identified as

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<v Speaker 2>this road in Oslo that looks out from the hill

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<v Speaker 2>of Echaburg, and coincidentally, Edward Munch's sister Laura cap there

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<v Speaker 2>and lived at the base of the Echoburg hill, So

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he was visiting her. We don't know she lived

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<v Speaker 2>in a mental asylum one that was next door to

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<v Speaker 2>a slaughterhouse.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's great place, right, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps walking past where his sister was locked up in

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<v Speaker 2>a lunatic asylum next to a slaughterhouse. Overcame him and

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<v Speaker 2>the blood Red Skies were like, oh I hear the

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<v Speaker 2>scream of nature.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh God in Dublin, isn't the I think the Guinness

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<v Speaker 3>factory is right by a hospital for alcoholics, is it really? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>But it doesn't smell good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the war they used for the beer. It just

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<v Speaker 2>it really had the malts and everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Ye say, but you know you got it. It's location location.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you a slaughterhouse next to an asylum.

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<v Speaker 3>Some bad zoning.

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<v Speaker 2>What we do know is that on August twenty second,

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and four, the scream was stolen.

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<v Speaker 3>What.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, out of all all these theories, Elizabeth, two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and four, August twenty second, two thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>And four, I don't think I knew that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I want to tell you about that. So sit back,

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<v Speaker 2>they're comfortable, and you know what, Elizabeth, closed your eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, I want you to picture as you're pulling an

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<v Speaker 3>early one like me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's August twenty second, two thousand and four. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>a quiet morning in the Moons Museum in Oslo, Norway. Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>you are a candy wrapper, one that was intended for

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<v Speaker 2>the trash but slipped from a child's hand and you

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<v Speaker 2>missed the waste receptacle. Now you sit on the museum floor,

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<v Speaker 2>tucked up behind the trash band. Wrinkled and crinkled as

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<v Speaker 2>you are, you still have quite the view of the

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<v Speaker 2>museum's paintings on display, so you've been enjoying your day

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<v Speaker 2>as a museum Goers circulate past you. No one stoops

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<v Speaker 2>to pick you up. They're too focused on the artwork

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<v Speaker 2>to notice a discarded candy wrapper. Laughing children, past couples

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<v Speaker 2>on first dates, amble passed, engaged in that flirtatious appraisals

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<v Speaker 2>of art. For the last few hours, you've done some

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<v Speaker 2>people watching, but mostly you've been contemplating the pained anguish

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<v Speaker 2>of the figure in the world famous painting The Scream,

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<v Speaker 2>by the namesake of the museum, Edvard Munch. As a

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<v Speaker 2>candy wrapper, you have little conception of the larger conversations

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<v Speaker 2>of the art world, nor are you familiar with the

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<v Speaker 2>developments of the expression movement of the late nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what you like, and you are captivated

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<v Speaker 2>by Munch's use of color to convey his interiority. The

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<v Speaker 2>emotional landscape becomes the physical landscape. If you could paint,

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<v Speaker 2>you would like to paint like Edvard Munch. From your

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<v Speaker 2>vantage on the floor, you also have a view of

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<v Speaker 2>the front door to the museum. And around twenty minutes

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<v Speaker 2>after eleven am, your reverie of artistic contemplation is disturbed

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<v Speaker 2>when you see two men running up to the museum,

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<v Speaker 2>right at the sliding glass door. And you know it's

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<v Speaker 2>trouble because both men are wearing dark hoodies and balaklava

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<v Speaker 2>face masks. They look like real criminals. You watch as

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<v Speaker 2>they race up to the museum and slam into the

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<v Speaker 2>sliding glass door. Both art thieves bounce off the glass, stunned.

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<v Speaker 2>They pick themselves up like birds that have run into

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<v Speaker 2>a window. They wait for the sliding glass door to open,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they charge into the museum. You watch them

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<v Speaker 2>start off to the right, but then they come back

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<v Speaker 2>and run. They go to the left, then a moment

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<v Speaker 2>later they come back into view. They look around a

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<v Speaker 2>moment then they go back to the left, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they finally come back into view and they locate what

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<v Speaker 2>they've come for. It's right in front of you. Right

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<v Speaker 2>there in the central room of the museum where you

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<v Speaker 2>are is Edvard Munch's painting The Scream, And then, as

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<v Speaker 2>if the painting itself has come alive, you hear a

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<v Speaker 2>piercing scream. The shriek is likely due to the fact

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<v Speaker 2>one of the art band it's is brandishing a hell

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<v Speaker 2>of a handgun, more like a hand cannon. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>nickel plated three fifty seven magnum pistols, and you don't

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<v Speaker 2>see many of those in Europe, especially not in an

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<v Speaker 2>art museum. Patrons shriek and scream. They gather up their children,

0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.880
<v Speaker 2>others shield their dates from danger, while others just flee.

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<v Speaker 2>Being a candy wrapper, you have no other options than

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<v Speaker 2>to watch the art thieves get to work. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the thieves grabs Edvard Munch's painting The Scream. He grabs

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<v Speaker 2>hold of the paintings frame. It's wired to the wall,

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<v Speaker 2>so the thief gives a good hard yank. The wires

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<v Speaker 2>go spraying and they give loose the painting. You spot

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<v Speaker 2>one of the security guards rush into the central room,

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<v Speaker 2>drawn in by the screens and the street, but he

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<v Speaker 2>stops running when he sees the art Bandit level his

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<v Speaker 2>three point fifty seven magnum at the unarmed security guard's head.

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<v Speaker 2>The man freezes in place. He stares at the gun

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<v Speaker 2>pressed to his forehead. His eyes go cross. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the art thieves speaks Norwegian. You hear him tell everyone

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<v Speaker 2>to act cool and no one will get hurt. He

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<v Speaker 2>starts at the security guard whose head he's pressing the

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<v Speaker 2>barrel of his gun against. His second art thief starts

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<v Speaker 2>for the door. The one with the handcannon slowly backs

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<v Speaker 2>up and then follows him out, but as if he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to leave without a souvenir of his own,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the other Munch masterpieces catches his eye, so

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<v Speaker 2>he grabs hold of it with another hard yank. This

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<v Speaker 2>one doesn't give so easily, so he pulls wirecutters from

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<v Speaker 2>a pocket. Snip and the wires go scrying, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he runs off with the stolen painting. He doesn't make

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<v Speaker 2>it far before he stumbles drops the masterpiece. The other thief,

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<v Speaker 2>the one with the scream, looks back to see what happens,

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<v Speaker 2>and wouldn't you know what? He also trips and bails.

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<v Speaker 2>Both art thieves are down, the masterpiece is on the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody moves, nobody gets hurt. If you could laugh, you would.

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<v Speaker 2>But the art thieves are quick to their feet. They

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<v Speaker 2>wave their handguns to remind the museum goers. Don't get

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<v Speaker 2>any big ideas. No one makes the move. As I've said,

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<v Speaker 2>the burglars grabbed their stolen booty and race for the

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<v Speaker 2>sliding glass door. This time they don't run into the

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<v Speaker 2>glass door. They wait for it. The slide open, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the dawn. You spot a patron outside the museum

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<v Speaker 2>as she snaps a photo of the art bandits as

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<v Speaker 2>they flee. Meanwhile, back inside the museum, as museum goers

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<v Speaker 2>breathed a sigh of relief, you marvel that this all

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<v Speaker 2>happened in less than a minute and a half. Away,

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<v Speaker 2>When it was all over and the art was heisted

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<v Speaker 2>and no one was hurt, the museum director went and

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<v Speaker 2>spoke to the press, because that's what they do. He

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<v Speaker 2>applauded the security guard for insuring everyone's safety. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>made sure. As I said, nobody.

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<v Speaker 3>Moved, nobody get hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the museum director even defended the guard's action, noting

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<v Speaker 2>that if you have a pistol or a revolver pointed

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<v Speaker 2>at your head, there is not much you can do

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<v Speaker 2>in Norway, not even the police carry guns. Once the

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<v Speaker 2>news broke, the nation was aghast. I mean, who steals

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<v Speaker 2>their national treasure? Why?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like, who do they.

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<v Speaker 2>Possibly think they can sell this painting to the city

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<v Speaker 2>Government's like sell it to us? So they offer a

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<v Speaker 2>reward for the state of return of the painting. The

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<v Speaker 2>reward was huge, big, two million Norwegian kroner. Wow, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>I know you love to know exchange rates and monetary

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<v Speaker 2>conversions and inflation in this case, yes, so for this one,

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<v Speaker 2>first I had to calculate the inflation of the Norwegian

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<v Speaker 2>kroner and then convert that into dollars. But I did

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<v Speaker 2>it for you. Thank two million Norwegian croners in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and four would be about thirty one million now

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<v Speaker 2>thirty million, six hundred and eighty six dollars. Yes, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's really that's nothing for these This painting is worth

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<v Speaker 2>an insane amount, So it's not it's like it sounds big,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's worth hundreds of millions.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, But if it's worth hundreds of millions, and

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<v Speaker 3>you think about how much gets shaved off, Yeah, by

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<v Speaker 3>fences and all this stuff. Like take a cool thirty

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<v Speaker 3>one mill in the city.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I take it now. To help sweeten the offered reward,

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<v Speaker 2>the candy maker M and MS offered that they would

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<v Speaker 2>match that offer by the city of Oslo. Wait, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but instead of Kroner, they'd pay out two million eminems.

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<v Speaker 3>Where are they getting up in the business.

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<v Speaker 2>They love the painting, they love the screen.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait what I know?

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<v Speaker 2>All right?

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<v Speaker 3>They just just like, oh and we'll give you EM

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<v Speaker 3>and MS or like when nobody asked.

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<v Speaker 2>For We're just needing some free advertising here, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a new account executive. He just really wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to move forward with this. We thought it was a

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<v Speaker 2>good idea. Mean, come on, guys, who doesn't love M

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<v Speaker 2>and MS.

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<v Speaker 3>Why are you inserting yourself into a crime?

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<v Speaker 2>Melts in your hand, not in your mouth?

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<v Speaker 3>But I just don't understand. So yeah, like you're just

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<v Speaker 3>this random brand. You find out something's been sold, You're like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, I'm gonna how about this, I'll give

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<v Speaker 3>you seven thousand tacos Taco Bell exactly do you hand

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<v Speaker 3>that back over? What is that? What's this got to

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<v Speaker 3>do midro business? Worry about yourself? No, no, no, I want

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<v Speaker 3>in on this. I want my name associated with it.

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<v Speaker 3>What I mean, like, you see the scream is on

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<v Speaker 3>like socks dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and it's emoji.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's whatever, but it's like Emine.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a whole series of movies with it. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>the character the scream goes.

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<v Speaker 3>That's supposed to be that one? Is it?

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<v Speaker 2>I think?

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<v Speaker 3>So?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't know. I thought it was,

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<v Speaker 2>But was.

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<v Speaker 3>There now I'm questioning was there like a tie in

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<v Speaker 3>with the painting and the Eminem's. Maybe at the time

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<v Speaker 3>I had like I would love to have my product, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, you know me, this seems like ash and I

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<v Speaker 2>just kept moving.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like stuck in this. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll let you know. There were no takers. The

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<v Speaker 2>art thieves also did not come forward.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like thirty one mil not interested. Wait, how many eminems?

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<v Speaker 2>So somehow the two of the most inet burglars we've covered,

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<v Speaker 2>who ever managed to steal a masterpiece get away with it.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, what's the deal with them? Obviously, as they said,

0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:44.880
<v Speaker 2>they're amateurs. But was this like their first burglary ever?

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but it feels like it. Obviously, after

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<v Speaker 2>the Scream was stolen, the whole nation of Norway was

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<v Speaker 2>in an uproar. It's a national treasure. As I said,

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<v Speaker 2>headlines around the world are playing with the obvious jokes

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<v Speaker 2>of the world screams, you know, like oh yeah. But

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<v Speaker 2>the people of Norway they're not in a laughing mood.

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<v Speaker 2>So they want their master he's back, and they want

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<v Speaker 2>the guilty brought to justice, even if they're a bunch

0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.000
<v Speaker 2>of amateur burglars. The two idiots with a pair of

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<v Speaker 2>wirecutters and just enough audacity to make off with the

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<v Speaker 2>national treasure in a daytime snatching grab robbery, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just embarrassing. And not only that, this was not

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<v Speaker 2>the first time the painting had been stolen, Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, really, yes, ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Years earlier had been stolen the exact same way, pretty much,

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<v Speaker 2>except they didn't do a daytime snatching grab, but they

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<v Speaker 2>went in and just yanked it off the walls. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you more about them and the earlier attempt

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<v Speaker 2>a little later. Anyway, Now that the paintings are perlined

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<v Speaker 2>and the police of Oslo are on high alert. All

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<v Speaker 2>available officers are put on this case. They're gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>the screen back, come hell or high water from whatever

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<v Speaker 2>fjords they got. And to focus their investigation, they started

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<v Speaker 2>with the usual suspects. Chief among them was one man

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<v Speaker 2>pal Anger. He was a knockabout small time criminal, former

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<v Speaker 2>professional footballer. He played in the Elite Syrian, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the Norwegian version of the Premier League. Not a football star,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was a pro gamer, right he saw time

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<v Speaker 2>on the pitch. This whole thing. The reason why the

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<v Speaker 2>Norwegian police were immediately focused on this former football or

0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:07.280
<v Speaker 2>the former soccer player was and also just a general

0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:09.680
<v Speaker 2>good time guy pal Anger, is that he was known

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<v Speaker 2>to be rather obsessed.

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<v Speaker 3>With Edvard Moonse's the greatest name ever totally.

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<v Speaker 2>And you see he'd once been sent to prison for

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<v Speaker 2>stealing a different Edvard Munch masterpiece, one called the Vampire.

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<v Speaker 2>So the police state, the cops, they thought we got

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<v Speaker 2>perfect good reason to go rouse them. So they go

0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:26.960
<v Speaker 2>and they roused him and they questioned Paul Anger, and

0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:29.040
<v Speaker 2>that's what they did. So what do you think, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think Paull Anger said to the cops when

0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:35.320
<v Speaker 2>they showed up asking questions about this missing Edvard Moonscheb masterpiece.

0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:36.600
<v Speaker 2>You think he gave him the load? Do you think

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<v Speaker 2>he died? What do you think? Elizabeth?

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna have to tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>I will tell you after these messages, which I hear,

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<v Speaker 2>are both fresh and so clean. So you got that

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<v Speaker 2>going for you, Yes, Elizabeth, ready for more Norwegian our crimes?

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<v Speaker 3>I am I.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought this would be fun for you. We hadn't done

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<v Speaker 2>in our crime. I hadn't done in our crime in

0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:16.440
<v Speaker 2>a while, like him, and this was Norwegian flavored.

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<v Speaker 3>This is excellent.

0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:19.280
<v Speaker 2>So at this point the Norwegian police are feeling the

0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:21.680
<v Speaker 2>heat about their missing national treasure. So they turn, as

0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:24.240
<v Speaker 2>they said, to the one guy poll Anger and they say, hey,

0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:26.720
<v Speaker 2>pal what do you know? Or Paul it's p A

0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:30.240
<v Speaker 2>A L paul A pall Anger. So when the police

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<v Speaker 2>questioned him, he levels with them. He's like, hey, I

0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:34.800
<v Speaker 2>got nothing to do with it, man, this not this time.

0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:37.960
<v Speaker 2>So the police are like, oh, okay, they roused him,

0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:39.719
<v Speaker 2>they check him, they bring them in, they questioned him,

0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:42.280
<v Speaker 2>they check his place, like damn it, he seems clean.

0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:46.720
<v Speaker 2>So who is this pal Anger? Great question. I'm just

0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:48.520
<v Speaker 2>loving how you're just right on my.

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<v Speaker 3>Heel right, well, I'm scribbling down frantically.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's amazing. So we've uh, we'll let the stolen

0:22:56.760 --> 0:22:58.760
<v Speaker 2>masterpiece dangle in the wind while we get to know

0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:02.159
<v Speaker 2>pal and age sixteen, Powlanger left his hometown to go

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<v Speaker 2>seek his fortunes in the wide wide world. He was

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<v Speaker 2>an ambitious lad. He was from Vita, which is a

0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:10.520
<v Speaker 2>neighborhood of Alna, which is a suburb of Oslo, Sure, Norway.

0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Now this was a rough neighborhoo. Apparently from everything I read,

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<v Speaker 2>I've never been there. But young Pile wanted out. He

0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:19.480
<v Speaker 2>figured he'd get out either via professional soccer stardom or crime.

0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:21.959
<v Speaker 2>Kind of gives you an idea of the neighborhood, right,

0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:24.919
<v Speaker 2>so it's like the whole basketball or crime idea soccer.

0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:27.120
<v Speaker 2>So he was known to be a slender, fair haired

0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:29.520
<v Speaker 2>boy who was often not at school. One of his

0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:32.520
<v Speaker 2>classmates recalled how quote the hours he was present at

0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:35.399
<v Speaker 2>school in the eighth year can be counted on one hand.

0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:38.359
<v Speaker 2>When he came, it was only to play sport. Oddly enough,

0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:41.159
<v Speaker 2>nobody seemed to care not about him playing sport, but

0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:43.840
<v Speaker 2>him not going to school, so he kicked about for

0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:46.600
<v Speaker 2>his adolescence. He studied his ball handling skills and his

0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:49.119
<v Speaker 2>coked out tenacity and his goal scoring focus of his

0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:53.080
<v Speaker 2>football hero Diego Maradona, Oh god right, And he studied

0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:55.880
<v Speaker 2>the ways of his cinematic hero Don Corleone, Oh dear.

0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:57.800
<v Speaker 2>He liked to dream about the movie that would one

0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:00.879
<v Speaker 2>day be made about his life, either as a dashing

0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:03.680
<v Speaker 2>and charming football star or an underworld Bob bust. Do

0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:06.520
<v Speaker 2>you take your pick? Either one was cool withing oh Son.

0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:09.840
<v Speaker 2>And when I say he studied Diego Maradona and Don Corleone,

0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:11.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean as a teenager he wants flew to New

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:14.760
<v Speaker 2>York just to see the streets that Marlon Brando had

0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:16.720
<v Speaker 2>walked on in The Godfather.

0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:20.440
<v Speaker 3>And he knew he knows it's fake, yeah.

0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:22.280
<v Speaker 2>But he wanted to see that little Italy.

0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:22.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I want to see I want to feel that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:24.760
<v Speaker 3>OK.

0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:27.320
<v Speaker 2>So, around that same time, his soccer goals were coming along.

0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:30.119
<v Speaker 2>He joined the junior teams of a professional squad and

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:32.480
<v Speaker 2>so then think of it like minor league soccer. His

0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:34.960
<v Speaker 2>teammates liked him and they thought he belonged on the team.

0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:37.080
<v Speaker 2>He was good. He was clearly a professional grade player.

0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:40.440
<v Speaker 2>He was genial, likable guy. He spread the ball around.

0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:42.600
<v Speaker 2>He also drove super slick sports car, so he was

0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:44.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of cool. His teammates also wondered how he had

0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:49.000
<v Speaker 2>so much money for such flat He's like sixteen seventeen eighteen.

0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:50.840
<v Speaker 3>He's like a minor league. Yeah he's not.

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:53.080
<v Speaker 2>People are barely able to pay their rent and he's

0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 2>over there like, oh yeah, I got a new Beamer,

0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:57.679
<v Speaker 2>like you just had another one two months ago. So

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<v Speaker 2>he had his one sports card that he had painted

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<v Speaker 2>he Anger like pe the word letter P and then

0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:06.399
<v Speaker 2>E N G E R, which is basically pale anger

0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:09.920
<v Speaker 2>right painted on the side, Elizabeth. This would all be

0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:13.240
<v Speaker 2>way funnier to you if you spoke Norwegian, because Penger

0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:16.080
<v Speaker 2>is Norwegian for money. So he was driving around a

0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:18.440
<v Speaker 2>sports car with the word money painted on the side

0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:21.960
<v Speaker 2>p Anger. So Powell Anger used to love to boast

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who would listen. There's only one Porsche in Oslo

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<v Speaker 2>mine and on Sundays, people from the western edge, this

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 2>was the rich part of Oslo. Came to Tita to

0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:34.080
<v Speaker 2>watch me washing the car. Came to watch a new

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:37.000
<v Speaker 2>car washes. Yeah, I'm like, okay, so that's his lie anyway.

0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:38.960
<v Speaker 2>So there he is, this young footballer with a taste

0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:40.600
<v Speaker 2>for the fast life and an ion crime.

0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:43.920
<v Speaker 3>Eighty people on the west side of town are like, hey, honey,

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:45.439
<v Speaker 3>I heard there's a Porsche.

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Just came to check. You did and steal my car?

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 3>Kids in the Volvo and we're gonna drive over and

0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:54.679
<v Speaker 3>kids who wants to go watch a guy wash a

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:55.320
<v Speaker 3>sports car?

0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Brings next me me should we bring.

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<v Speaker 3>The dogs, bring the kippers? Let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>At eighteen, he makes his debut in the UFA Cup match.

0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:07.440
<v Speaker 2>He came on as a substitute, right, so by twenty

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:10.280
<v Speaker 2>one he's on his way now to his legitimate soccer dreams.

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:12.680
<v Speaker 2>By nineteen eighty eight, at the age of twenty twenty one,

0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:15.119
<v Speaker 2>he makes his professional debut on the soccer pitch for

0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:19.520
<v Speaker 2>the five time champs of the Norwegian Professional League Etliticirian.

0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:22.679
<v Speaker 2>The club called Vala Ranga. Okay's all right, so this

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 2>club manager of that soccer team, the dag Vestland, said

0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:31.639
<v Speaker 2>of Powell Anger, he was very talented. He was small, quick, tough.

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:34.600
<v Speaker 2>I liked him a lot. He was always very well behaved,

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 2>in my dealings with him, always polite, very humble. Now

0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:41.960
<v Speaker 2>his teammates had a slightly difference, a street level view

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:45.080
<v Speaker 2>of Powell. Yeah. One teammate said, what I remember about

0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Powell is he never took the tube to the city.

0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:50.160
<v Speaker 2>He would steal a car to make the journey instead.

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:55.680
<v Speaker 2>His specialty was porschous, BMW's and Mercedes. It was all

0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:58.480
<v Speaker 2>a bit confusing because we had a policeman on the

0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:02.520
<v Speaker 2>same team. Oh wow, So it wasn't all a big secret.

0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:04.600
<v Speaker 2>And some folks clearly knew this, how this young kid

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 2>could live so big as a backup professional soccer player,

0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 2>and most of them didn't seem to care much Like

0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:12.560
<v Speaker 2>when he wasn't attending class, he just kind of slipped

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 2>through the cracks right most of them. There were the

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:20.320
<v Speaker 2>two teammates who were part time cops, not one two,

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:23.840
<v Speaker 2>and they saw how Pollanger would never wear the same

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 2>tracksuit twice because he would trash the old one and

0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:29.199
<v Speaker 2>just always rock a brand new fit, and it just

0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:31.879
<v Speaker 2>bothered them, like what the hell, So they get suspicious

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.199
<v Speaker 2>and they didn't like his answer that he hated to

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:38.240
<v Speaker 2>do laundry. So Knute Rold Loberg was one of the cops,

0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:41.120
<v Speaker 2>and he later recalled how Powanger and his football prowess

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:43.359
<v Speaker 2>were well. As he put it quote, he was a

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:45.560
<v Speaker 2>good player. He had scored a lot of goals for

0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 2>the junior side. He was sharp, quick, technical, but to

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.480
<v Speaker 2>stay concentrated and be professional, there were a lot of

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:54.919
<v Speaker 2>challenges for him. I tried to help him. Everyone in

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:58.280
<v Speaker 2>the dressing room looked out for one another. So being

0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 2>a cop, the way he decides to help his teammate

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:03.560
<v Speaker 2>is to follow him after practice, after matches on off days,

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 2>just generally snoop on him. He and the other cop

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 2>teammate follow him all around Oslo. They clock how he

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:11.639
<v Speaker 2>spends large amounts of money. He's buying clothes, He's buying

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:14.359
<v Speaker 2>fancy watches. He obviously didn't need to buy cars, he

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:16.880
<v Speaker 2>just stole those. Yeah, but he did drop mad loot

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:20.919
<v Speaker 2>on expensive restaurants, hotels and vacations. He's living that luxfe.

0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:25.640
<v Speaker 2>His cop teammates hate this, so they're surveiling him, surveiling him,

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:28.320
<v Speaker 2>and they're documenting this with photographs in like, you know,

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 2>at eleven PM, he bought such and such. So they

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:33.240
<v Speaker 2>also see how he's not just so much of it

0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:36.720
<v Speaker 2>being his money that he's spending. It's the people's money

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 2>he's spending, Elizabeth because he was a burglar and a thief,

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 2>and they watched him also do those crimes. They watched

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 2>him steal jewelry, they watched him rob cash, and finally,

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 2>when they thought they had enough evidence on their teammate,

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 2>they turned it over to full time cops, who then

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:53.960
<v Speaker 2>rated their teammates home, and the cops found a veritable

0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 2>lair of stolen goods. Oh Man, what really shocked them

0:28:57.600 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 2>was hanging there on one of the walls was they

0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 2>stole masterpiece, the Edvard Munch painting The Vampire what Yes

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:06.840
<v Speaker 2>painted the same year as The Scream. The original title

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 2>for the work was Love and Pain. This man was

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 2>going through it.

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 2>The figure in the painting is a woman. She has

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 2>this shocking red hair. She's embracing her victim and she's

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 2>just about to plunge her fangs into his neck. Turns

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 2>out the painting had been stolen from the Ostlo Munch

0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Museum a few months earlier, and it was not like

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:23.720
<v Speaker 2>the rest of his stolen bounty. He didn't make sense

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 2>to the cops. They're like, what the hell is this doing? Here,

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 2>he's mostly just cut a young man would want. And

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:32.480
<v Speaker 2>then there's one stolen masterpiece and specifically why that won.

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 2>So paal Anger explained it to the cops. He's like, well,

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 2>and I quote, I had no relationship with art other

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 2>than in primary school we went on a trip to

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 2>the munch Museum. I remember thinking his pictures were scary

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 2>and I was dreaming about them at night. Maybe Much

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 2>wasn't the only artist I had any relationship with. So

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 2>he stole a painting. Yeah, I want one, I can't

0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:57.720
<v Speaker 2>afford one. I'll take this one anyway. He gets tried, convicted,

0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 2>senate's to prison, does his time, and then in nineteen

0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:03.720
<v Speaker 2>ninety four he gets released and almost immediately he goes

0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 2>right back to crime.

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I'm good at only Yeah, what else is

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 3>he going to do?

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, he's like, and I'm too old for soccer now.

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 2>So it wasn't his fault, Elizabeth. He was trying to

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 2>go straight though apparently. I don't know if that's true.

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 2>I'd just like to say it, but I do know

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 2>that this crime that he was about to commit wasn't

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 2>his idea. Someone approached him, he was commissioned to do

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 2>a heist, since he had experience of stealing the Vampire.

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 2>His client said, I want you to steal another Edvard

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Munch masterpiece. The client wanted pile Anger to steal the Scream.

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 2>He's like, okay, well I don't care. I'm not a

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Norwegian patriot. I don't get ilse to steal that national treasure.

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh and I forgot to tell you up top. The

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:40.160
<v Speaker 2>reason why the police came to pile Anger when the

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Scream was stolen in two thousand and four is because

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 2>he'd already attempted to steal it back in nineteen ninety four.

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 3>Oh he attempted, so he wasn't.

0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 2>The client promised he would be paid extremely well, but

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 2>not only that he would keep the painting because like

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 2>you keep it. Wait, yeah, he gets to keep the Scream.

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 2>Ok So what's the client paying.

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 3>For just to stick it to the music?

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 2>What gives? Yeah? He an an old employee. He won

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 2>the lottery. Why would if someone paid to steal painting

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 2>in the level keep the painting?

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Great question of.

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:07.280
<v Speaker 3>Liza, I know it is.

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Pal Anger didn't ask such questions. He didn't care, said

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:15.120
<v Speaker 2>he went out walking. He hired three accomplices for his

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 2>art heist, which now brings us to the nineteen ninety

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 2>four Winter Olympics. You're wondering, what does this have to

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 2>do with the stories Erin, Do you remember the Lilla

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Hamer Winter Olympics. It was the seventeenth Olympic Winter Games.

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:30.240
<v Speaker 2>The games lasted from February twelfth to February twenty seventh,

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.040
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety four. Okay, I know what might jog your

0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 2>memory of Lilla Hammer Winter Olympics. That's the game when

0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Nancy Kerrigan got kneecapped by Tanya Harding's husband, boyfriend or whatever,

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Jeff Goluli.

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 3>That's right, right, And I didn't.

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Know his name. I had to look it up, right,

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 2>But I knew you'd know his name. But I had

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 2>to look this up because I needed something that maybe

0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 2>you didn't know. He subcontracted the job out to an

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 2>underling the job. The guy who swung the beat down

0:31:56.320 --> 0:32:01.440
<v Speaker 2>stick was Tanya Harding's bodyguard, Sean Eckert. Four Litlahammer Olympics

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 2>are the ones Nancy Kerrigan missed out on. So wow anyway,

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:08.480
<v Speaker 2>February twelfth, nineteen ninety four, the opening ceremony of the

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Winter Olympics. They nicknamed it Elizabeth the Fairytale games. I know.

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:16.960
<v Speaker 2>There were dancers dressed as angels and shepherds, ancient ghouls,

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Nordic witches, all doing choreographs to moves as fireworks lit

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 2>up the white fallen snow, just reflecting the explosions above.

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 2>It was a wintertime merriment. That same day, early in

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 2>the morning, two men propped a ladder up against the

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:34.520
<v Speaker 2>wall of the National Gallery in Oslo. They scurried up

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 2>the ladder, then one of them fell off the ladder,

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 2>so they scurried back up the ladder. Then one of

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 2>them smashed a window pane. They pulled open the window.

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 2>Then they just slipped inside and dropped onto the floor.

0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 2>They scanned the gallery, did anybody see us? Then they

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 2>spotted what they came for, the scream. They pulled some

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 2>wirecutters from a pocket snip snip paintings freed, liberated or

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 2>in legal terms, stolen. Pall Ager pulled a note from

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:00.720
<v Speaker 2>his pocket, left it behind. The note because you seem

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:02.960
<v Speaker 2>to want to know this, Yeah, you read and I

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 2>quote a thousand thanks for your poor security. After the

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:10.800
<v Speaker 2>note was placed, the thieves hustled back to their open window.

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 2>They're waiting ladder, and one after the other they snuck

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:15.640
<v Speaker 2>back out this time. I don't think they fell. They

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 2>got away with Edvard Munch's most celebrated painting, one of

0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:22.480
<v Speaker 2>the most famous and recognizable paintings in the world. When

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 2>they get back to the getaway car, they shove the

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 2>painting down behind the driver's seat and just speed away.

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:29.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 2>They were not prepared for this thing, did not have

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.120
<v Speaker 2>like a carrier case any of that. They're just like,

0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:39.720
<v Speaker 2>this will fit bout your feet, bob. So later that day,

0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 2>when the museum staff discovered the missing masterpiece, they immediately

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 2>checked the surveillance footage and they checked also, you know,

0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 2>all the way back to the night before. They scan

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 2>the video, they find there are images of the thieves.

0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh thank goodness. But the images are so blurry they're

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 2>essentially useless. Oh, we should have got new cameras. So

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 2>the chief investigator for the Oslo Police, a man named

0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Leif Lear, he said, simply put, we had nothing to

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.920
<v Speaker 2>go on. So what do they do? Like, what do

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 2>they have to go on? They got nothing. So the

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Norwegians can't let someone steal their national treasure and just

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 2>get away with it. So they outsourced the investigation to

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:15.799
<v Speaker 2>real professionals who have some experience retrieving stolen artwork. They

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:18.840
<v Speaker 2>turned to Scotland Yard. Oh yeah, I thought you'd like that.

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:21.120
<v Speaker 2>They turned to a man named Charles Hill. He was

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:23.320
<v Speaker 2>he's an Englishman. He's a cop who was an undercover

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 2>detective works for Scotland Yards Art and Antiques Division. I

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 2>think you can get a spot.

0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 3>There that would amazing.

0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Specifically, he worked under the aegis of the London Metro Police. So,

0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:36.640
<v Speaker 2>as Powell Anger described this, detective Sherlock Holmes came to Norway,

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:37.880
<v Speaker 2>which was just kind of funny.

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:41.920
<v Speaker 2>And Charles Hill equally had an assessment of Powell Anger.

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:45.480
<v Speaker 2>He said, of the wanna be master thief, In my experience,

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:48.440
<v Speaker 2>all thieves are the same. The minute they see money

0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 2>and smell it, the good sense disappears out of their skulls.

0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:55.720
<v Speaker 2>Then they're hooked the way a fishermen would hook a fish.

0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:57.799
<v Speaker 2>So what do you plan to do?

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 3>Was I like the clarification of yeah, you mean like

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:02.920
<v Speaker 3>a fisherman.

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh not like you're a heroin pedaling. Well, you know, literally,

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 2>when your nation has a history of pushing opium on

0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:11.399
<v Speaker 2>other countries, you have to clarify hooked, You're like, no, no,

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean it like fishing, not like what we did

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 2>to China. Anyway, all back to it. The British Bobby

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:20.359
<v Speaker 2>also decided he needed to play dress up. He needed

0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:22.960
<v Speaker 2>a wig and some costume changes. Yeah, yeah, right, I

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:23.360
<v Speaker 2>figured it.

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:25.400
<v Speaker 3>Like that department, you.

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Should start wearing wigs. And you know, I'm not right now,

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:33.080
<v Speaker 2>that's very true. I actually cannot tell at all. It's

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:37.760
<v Speaker 2>so smoky in here now. His plan was he'd pretend

0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 2>to be a quote, dodgy mint Atlantic accented art dealer.

0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh I love it. God, I really need to work.

0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 3>I want to do a character.

0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:49.799
<v Speaker 2>The wig, the costume, the backstory is over there. I

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 2>mean they got like a whole like method department. So

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:55.800
<v Speaker 2>as as I said, this guy, this brit Detective Charles

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Hills fully commits to the bit. He decides his dodgy

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.880
<v Speaker 2>art dealer was named Roberts. He worked for the J.

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:05.240
<v Speaker 2>Paul Getty Museum in LA. For his look, he decided

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:09.759
<v Speaker 2>Chris Roberts was a bow tie guy. He favored floral waistcoats.

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Chris Roberts also like to top with a cream blazer. Whoa yeah,

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:17.279
<v Speaker 2>so he also carried a suitcase which he claimed was

0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 2>stuffed with cash for art buys. So all of his

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:21.919
<v Speaker 2>prep work. He didn't think much of his quarry though,

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 2>as he'll recalled of his targets, the screen was stolen

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:28.160
<v Speaker 2>by a bunch of Oslo no hopers. You could say

0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 2>it was Norwegian organized crime. Two men in a ladder.

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 2>They went up the ladder and fell off when they

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 2>went up again and broke in the window to go

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:37.080
<v Speaker 2>in and collect the painting.

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:41.239
<v Speaker 3>It feels like it's an offensive joke, right, what do

0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.800
<v Speaker 3>you call organized crime?

0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:45.400
<v Speaker 2>You got a ladder?

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:47.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I feel like somehow there's a slur ball that we

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:51.799
<v Speaker 2>don't know about. It as a bridge going above my head.

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:53.960
<v Speaker 2>As non Europeans were like, is this like a whole

0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:55.560
<v Speaker 2>like a Polish joke? But for the Norwegian?

0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:57.759
<v Speaker 3>Right, Oh, I didn't know.

0:36:57.760 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I've been. I had to quote the thank you for

0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:04.320
<v Speaker 2>doing once he studied. When he could of these suspects,

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.239
<v Speaker 2>he starts to work the black market connections he has

0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:09.279
<v Speaker 2>see if he'd get a back channel message to the

0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:11.400
<v Speaker 2>art thieves to set up a meet and greet and

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:14.480
<v Speaker 2>to buy back the stolen masterpiece to help with his

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:17.760
<v Speaker 2>man hunt. The undercover detective partners with an underworld figure,

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:21.719
<v Speaker 2>but a small group of middlemen right through his criminal confederates.

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:24.319
<v Speaker 2>He gets an offer of a half million pounds for

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 2>the stolen masterpiece, just spread out amongst the underworld.

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, Norwegian police, they're still working the case, but they've

0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:33.520
<v Speaker 2>got their expert right. Some of them didn't want this

0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:35.960
<v Speaker 2>brit to get all the glory for saving their national treasure,

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean fair. The Norwegian cops were working with the

0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 2>theory that the painting was stolen by a bunch of

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:42.879
<v Speaker 2>fame seekers who wanted to use the world's attention thanks

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:46.919
<v Speaker 2>to Lillehammer Winter Olympics, to guarantee they'd become famous or rich.

0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:49.400
<v Speaker 2>That is, even if they got caught, they'd be famous,

0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:52.360
<v Speaker 2>or if not, they'd be rich. That was their theory.

0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Other Norwegian cops were convinced that there was a mister

0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Big who'd hired thieves to steal the artwork for him,

0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:01.520
<v Speaker 2>because that was the talk in the underworld. This is

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:04.200
<v Speaker 2>like some weird doctor no plot from James. Now. To

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 2>complicate things, there was also an anti abortion campaign and

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:10.239
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of their most ardent supporters claimed they had

0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:13.280
<v Speaker 2>stolen the painting, and in one of their propaganda videos

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 2>that they released, they said if one of their propaganda

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.959
<v Speaker 2>videos was broadcast and released on Norwegian TV, then they'd

0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:19.880
<v Speaker 2>returned the painting.

0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:21.799
<v Speaker 3>So they got that problem over there too.

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, against the backdrop of competing theories and nonsense, it

0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 2>just strayed up weirdness. Undercover detective Charles Hills starts to

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:34.719
<v Speaker 2>stalk his criminal prey Wig on outfits locked.

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:38.400
<v Speaker 3>See in my head. He's played by Benedict cabbage Patch.

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:43.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh nice, And then the Paul Uh yeah, he's played

0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:44.280
<v Speaker 3>by Chet Hanks.

0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:46.800
<v Speaker 2>I did not see that.

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:51.120
<v Speaker 3>And the underworld like the doctor know that's Tom Hardy.

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh very good.

0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:53.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm making a great movie.

0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 2>This is amazing. I love this. So he's now at

0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:59.040
<v Speaker 2>this point assisted by an Amsterdam based gangster who has

0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 2>a predilection for high and art in the black market.

0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:04.560
<v Speaker 2>This guy, Charles Hill is convinced it wasn't the anti

0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:08.319
<v Speaker 2>abortion activists, not some shadowy mister Big or some thrill

0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:12.000
<v Speaker 2>seekers trying to piggyback off the Winter Olympics. Yeah, the

0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 2>Dutch gangster and here are both convinced it's just some

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:15.240
<v Speaker 2>amateurs who got lucky.

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:23.160
<v Speaker 3>So Tom hardy and benefits cabbage patch. Yes, yes, okay.

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:26.080
<v Speaker 2>So Charles Hill remembers the man hunt period very well.

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:28.920
<v Speaker 2>And he said, and I quote and art thief catches

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 2>the disease. You see, there is a madness that afflicts

0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:35.239
<v Speaker 2>these people. They are not necessarily art lovers, but they

0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:38.880
<v Speaker 2>view the work as trophies. So he considers himself a

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.279
<v Speaker 2>hunter of those who go after trophies. So he's a

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 2>trophy hunter hunter. So then he catches a break right there.

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Is wasn't good surveillance video from the night of the robbery,

0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:52.799
<v Speaker 2>but five days earlier there was clear distinct image of

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:56.240
<v Speaker 2>a very suspicious character wandering around the museum, clearly casing

0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:59.080
<v Speaker 2>the joint. And that man looked just like pal Anger

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:03.879
<v Speaker 2>because it paling casing the joint. The suspect also looked

0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:05.959
<v Speaker 2>a lot like a guy who'd recently posted a birth

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:09.840
<v Speaker 2>announcement in the newspaper that proclaimed his newborn son Oscar

0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:13.840
<v Speaker 2>came into the world. Quote met ed screak, which in

0:40:13.920 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 2>Norwegian means.

0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:17.839
<v Speaker 3>With a scream, get out of town.

0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Apparently he even capitalized the s in screek, so it

0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:23.680
<v Speaker 2>looks like like a title. Yeah, So that that caught

0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:26.399
<v Speaker 2>the attention of the cops and detective Charles.

0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 3>Scouring the paper the parts that people don't really read. Yeah, exactly, curious.

0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Checking a misconnections. You wouldn't see me on the tube.

0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 2>So at this point Charles has been making headway in

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 2>his back channel campaign in the underworld. His bait cut

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 2>a bite he'd heard back that someone knew a guy

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 2>who knew a guy who wanted to sell a certain painting.

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Wink wink, nudge nudge, know.

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:51.600
<v Speaker 3>What I mean.

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Relying on his mid Atlantic American accent, sounding like Catherine Hepburn,

0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:59.839
<v Speaker 2>he reels in his purp takes him three months start

0:40:59.840 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 2>to finish, and finally the wandering path leads to a

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:06.319
<v Speaker 2>chalet in the country. That's where he's to meet his

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:09.160
<v Speaker 2>thieves for an art buy. But the thieves have also

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:12.360
<v Speaker 2>negotiated for more money. They wanted seven hundred thousand pounds.

0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:15.760
<v Speaker 2>The undercover cop agreed to their price. Now the trap

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:19.319
<v Speaker 2>was fully set, and we Elizabeth will take a break. Yes,

0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:21.239
<v Speaker 2>and after these ads, I will tell you if the

0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:24.320
<v Speaker 2>dodgy fake art dealer with the good wig game catches

0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:26.640
<v Speaker 2>the former professional footballer turned art thief.

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 4>Can't wait.

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 2>And Rebecca Elizabeth so I got to ask you, you

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:53.239
<v Speaker 2>seem like you're on the edge of your seat. Do

0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:55.200
<v Speaker 2>you think that the dodgy mid Atlantic art dealer who

0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:58.319
<v Speaker 2>talks like Catherine Hepburn Charles Hill, was able to get

0:41:58.360 --> 0:41:58.759
<v Speaker 2>his man?

0:41:59.000 --> 0:41:59.440
<v Speaker 3>I think so.

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:02.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, we got to kind of doubt you. We'd be

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:04.200
<v Speaker 2>hearing his name on the show if he didn't.

0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:07.160
<v Speaker 3>This is the earlier theft of the painting. We know

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:09.440
<v Speaker 3>it's recovered in order to be stolen again.

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Well maybe remember I said there were four paintings. Ah see,

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm seating stuff it. So since he'd worked so diligently

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 2>to set up his fraudulent art by slash raid, let's

0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:24.960
<v Speaker 2>have Charles Hill recount what happens next in the Countryside

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Chalet over to you, DCI Charles Hill, and I quote

0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 2>from his interview with the BBC. What we did in

0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:34.359
<v Speaker 2>this particular case was to go from a person who

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 2>knew someone who knew someone else and just followed that

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 2>chain until we eventually got to the people who controlled

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:43.759
<v Speaker 2>the painting. When I finally met the bad guys, I

0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 2>had to convince them that the Getty Museum would pay

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:51.320
<v Speaker 2>to recover the painting. The Norwegian criminals were on tenter hooks,

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 2>and I spent the entire time trying to calm them down.

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:58.239
<v Speaker 2>Eventually they rang me quite late, about eleven thirty. So

0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:00.560
<v Speaker 2>now the DCI Charles Hills on a lake my phone

0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 2>call with the thieves trying to control the exchange.

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 3>Wait late it was eleventh It was me.

0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:09.879
<v Speaker 2>So apparently when the alleged art thieves phoned him, they

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:13.880
<v Speaker 2>told DCI Hill quote, right, we're going to do it now,

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:16.440
<v Speaker 2>And I told them no way. I was going out

0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:19.160
<v Speaker 2>at midnight to walk in the wild woods with them

0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:21.520
<v Speaker 2>to get this thing back. We'd have to do it

0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:24.880
<v Speaker 2>in the morning. In the morning, I said, so he

0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:27.879
<v Speaker 2>is you if you can believe the art thieves are like, yeah, right,

0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:30.080
<v Speaker 2>suppose that makes sense. You want to pop down to

0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:31.840
<v Speaker 2>the chalet in the morning then, and they did so.

0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:34.319
<v Speaker 2>DCI Hill was like, I will see you then when

0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:36.799
<v Speaker 2>the sun's returned, and they make a plan to meet

0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:39.239
<v Speaker 2>the next day. So back to DCI Hill. We went

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:41.920
<v Speaker 2>down to where the Dodgy art dealer had a summer home.

0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 2>In the summerhouse, the painting was downstairs underneath the carpet

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:48.520
<v Speaker 2>in the kitchen. It was a set of stairs down

0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:50.480
<v Speaker 2>to the basement, and he asked me, did I want

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:52.440
<v Speaker 2>to get it? And I thought, well, I could do

0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:56.440
<v Speaker 2>without being down there next Christmas. So I told him that,

0:43:56.760 --> 0:44:00.200
<v Speaker 2>and you know that what's called Anglo Saxon vernacular, which

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:02.600
<v Speaker 2>he understood. So we went down and got the picture,

0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:04.760
<v Speaker 2>brought it up and he laid it on the dining

0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:08.040
<v Speaker 2>room table and bang, there it was. It looked like

0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:10.600
<v Speaker 2>it was a masterpiece. It will tell you that it's

0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:14.120
<v Speaker 2>a masterpiece. It just jumps out at you. So there

0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:16.080
<v Speaker 2>you go. He found the painting, Elizabeth.

0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Here it is.

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:18.000
<v Speaker 2>And he also did go down to the basement to

0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:23.680
<v Speaker 2>be there till next Christmas, said Anglo Saxophone action. Yeah,

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:26.280
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, I caught that part. He was getting field dressed,

0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:28.880
<v Speaker 2>get got down there. He wasn't going to be not

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:30.720
<v Speaker 2>just there until next Christmas, the one after.

0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:33.239
<v Speaker 3>That Christmas to come, Elizabeth DC I.

0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Hill had done it. So at this point he's found

0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:39.719
<v Speaker 2>Norway's stolen national treasure. Good outsourcing by them, and now

0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:41.920
<v Speaker 2>he's got to get it out of the summerhouse with

0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:45.040
<v Speaker 2>both the painting and himself still intact, which somehow he does.

0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:46.920
<v Speaker 2>And I guess he'd earned the art thieves trust. He

0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:49.439
<v Speaker 2>signals the cops. They raid the home. Now he's able

0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:51.880
<v Speaker 2>to bounce out of the chalet with the stolen masterpiece.

0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:55.440
<v Speaker 2>He high tails it back to his hotel room, where

0:44:55.480 --> 0:44:58.960
<v Speaker 2>he barricades himself in his room until proper authorities come

0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:00.640
<v Speaker 2>to take it. He doesn't even trust the other coups

0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 2>for him, right, so he waits in case anybody gets

0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:04.880
<v Speaker 2>to get to any acute idea trying to steal this

0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:06.719
<v Speaker 2>painting bag. Everyone seems a want and it's like a

0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:08.600
<v Speaker 2>really sticky painting. I don't have to tell you, so

0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Dcihill does have this to say, and I quote. I

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:13.960
<v Speaker 2>rang back to Oslo and told him I had it,

0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:16.879
<v Speaker 2>and barricaded myself in the hotel. Sure enough, after an

0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:20.120
<v Speaker 2>hour or so, the central detective unit in Oslo turned

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:23.880
<v Speaker 2>up and I unbarricaded the room, and there was the picture.

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Then I walked down actually onto the pier, and I

0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:30.399
<v Speaker 2>felt to myself done. It felt it felt good. It's

0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:33.640
<v Speaker 2>exhilarating to get the what you're going for back. I

0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:35.759
<v Speaker 2>can actually recover these things and feel as if I'm

0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:39.680
<v Speaker 2>doing my bit for creation. Wow, doing my bit for creation.

0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:41.719
<v Speaker 3>I love that It took him an hour to respond.

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Total emergency. I'll got there just second. Found finished and

0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:49.640
<v Speaker 2>we got some bake goods over here, really good. Yeah,

0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Pal's mom made them cruss. She's been coming by the station.

0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:55.600
<v Speaker 2>So there you go, cop for all creation, protect your

0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:59.120
<v Speaker 2>humanity's most beautiful treasures. Once the scream was recovered, Elizabeth

0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:01.760
<v Speaker 2>and the Oslo PD could take a collective breath of relief.

0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 2>What happened to Powell Anger? Yeah, what happened to Well,

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:07.760
<v Speaker 2>he was captured by the police obviously during the handover.

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:09.680
<v Speaker 2>He was arrested. And this is where things get a

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:12.879
<v Speaker 2>little weird, mostly because Norwegian justice is so different than

0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:13.960
<v Speaker 2>our American ideas.

0:46:14.080 --> 0:46:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, Poal Anger and.

0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 2>His accomplices all they all get arrested, they get tried.

0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Anger was found guilty, sentenced to six and a half

0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:24.600
<v Speaker 2>years behind bars. All straightforward so far. His accomplices were

0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 2>also sentenced, found guilty, sent to prison. Once again, straightforward

0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:33.040
<v Speaker 2>so far, except for they then appealed their judgments and

0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 2>were later released. Why were they able to do this? Yeah,

0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 2>they cited a rare Norwegian law about how they were

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:42.239
<v Speaker 2>arrested by a UK cop and not by a Norwegian

0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:44.719
<v Speaker 2>cop and therefore they were not properly handled and gone

0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:46.920
<v Speaker 2>through the Basically it was like a you know, a

0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:50.440
<v Speaker 2>chain of custody issue. Yeah, so that therefore their bus

0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:53.160
<v Speaker 2>didn't follow proper Norwegian law and protocols and they were

0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:55.680
<v Speaker 2>able to get sprung on this. It's all four were

0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:59.319
<v Speaker 2>sprung free except for Powell Anger. He doesn't this somehow

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:02.480
<v Speaker 2>doesn't apply to him because he gets arrested separately. Somehow,

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:02.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:04.120
<v Speaker 3>It's annoying everybody.

0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:08.000
<v Speaker 2>That So in nineteen ninety nine, five years into his

0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:10.120
<v Speaker 2>six and a half year bid, pow Ager decides he's

0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:12.160
<v Speaker 2>had enough of prison, so he escapes.

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:16.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh right, was it five and a half into the

0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:16.759
<v Speaker 3>six or.

0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:21.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he escapes. But Elizabeth, you have to hear how

0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:24.000
<v Speaker 2>he escaped. You worked in a federal prison. I did

0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:27.160
<v Speaker 2>so imagine this next sentence happening in America. According to

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:30.080
<v Speaker 2>the BBC and I quote, he did manage to escape

0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:32.520
<v Speaker 2>while on a field trip, but he was captured twelve

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 2>days later, wearing a blond wig and dark sunglasses and

0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:37.040
<v Speaker 2>trying to buy a train ticket to the Danish city

0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:40.879
<v Speaker 2>of Copenhagen. In Norway, apparently they let the prisoners out

0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:44.520
<v Speaker 2>go on field trips. Trips like to the like glue factories,

0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:46.759
<v Speaker 2>or like to the flute makers and the I don't know,

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:49.279
<v Speaker 2>extuege drum makers. Like it's mister Rogers.

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:51.840
<v Speaker 3>At the at the federal facility, now, they didn't let

0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:54.200
<v Speaker 3>anybody walk out of the State one. The state one

0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:57.719
<v Speaker 3>was like horrendous. I'm sure at the Federal one. One

0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:00.160
<v Speaker 3>day I saw an inmate getting into a car, are

0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:01.040
<v Speaker 3>driving off.

0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:03.399
<v Speaker 2>I gotta work for we had to go no.

0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:05.759
<v Speaker 3>One of someone was explaining to me that, yeah, he

0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:08.719
<v Speaker 3>was working. He would go and like pick someone up

0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:11.959
<v Speaker 3>and bring them back. Sure, and it's like, but he

0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:13.000
<v Speaker 3>was trustee.

0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:15.880
<v Speaker 2>But it was one guy. One guy in like seventeen

0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty guys voted in a bus and going to like

0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:20.560
<v Speaker 2>an amusement park.

0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:22.080
<v Speaker 3>You're going to just let this guy get in the

0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:24.320
<v Speaker 3>car and drive. And they're like, there's so many security

0:48:24.360 --> 0:48:27.880
<v Speaker 3>protocols in place that like he takes one, he changes

0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:30.080
<v Speaker 3>lanes at the wrong time America.

0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:31.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're going to be marked. And then also the

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:33.720
<v Speaker 2>prole officers are on them, and then it also becomes

0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 2>just like a fun game for them bust this guy pettings.

0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:39.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm not against this practice. I'd like to be clear.

0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:43.120
<v Speaker 2>I would want this for our inmates. Yeah, you know, like,

0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:45.279
<v Speaker 2>but it just sounds wild to my American ears, like

0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:46.680
<v Speaker 2>we got to let them on a bus to go

0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:48.319
<v Speaker 2>on a field drip. The guys have been good this month.

0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:52.000
<v Speaker 3>They're actually I think we've talked about it before. San

0:48:52.120 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 3>Quentin is having a full overhaul that they have what's

0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:59.000
<v Speaker 3>called the California model now, which is you know, emphasis

0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:02.919
<v Speaker 3>on you know, abilitation and education and such. But now

0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:08.080
<v Speaker 3>they're taking like all these other uh Scandinavian influences, and

0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:10.399
<v Speaker 3>that's what they're going to be doing. Like it's going

0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:14.200
<v Speaker 3>from as a high security to medium security. Their whole

0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:17.279
<v Speaker 3>thing is how do we make good neighbors for when

0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:17.759
<v Speaker 3>they get out?

0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh? I like that.

0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:19.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, isn't that amazing?

0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:22.839
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, it's a it's an interesting experiment because right

0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:24.360
<v Speaker 3>now we're just making better criminals.

0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:28.120
<v Speaker 2>So it's just criminal education. It's like university for Yeah. Anyway,

0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:31.160
<v Speaker 2>After his wig and sunglasses prison escape attempt failed, pal

0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Anger finished his sentence in two thousand. He was subsequently released.

0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:36.400
<v Speaker 2>He was at this point thirty three years old. I

0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:38.680
<v Speaker 2>remember how I told you up top about the second

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:40.879
<v Speaker 2>time the screen was stolen by the Norwegian art thieves

0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:43.080
<v Speaker 2>who ran into the door. Yeah remember how else? Just said?

0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:46.080
<v Speaker 2>The Oslopedia immediately went to pal Anger and questioned him.

0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:49.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they ran into a door, this could be powered.

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:52.799
<v Speaker 2>It looks like he wasn't involved, and he said this

0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:54.960
<v Speaker 2>was that was true, but it wasn't the whole story.

0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Well he wasn't involved, he was the inspiration. Oh really,

0:49:59.320 --> 0:50:00.759
<v Speaker 2>so what's the deal with the two thousand and four

0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:03.560
<v Speaker 2>theft of the screen? Great question, Elizabeth. After the police

0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:05.400
<v Speaker 2>question pal Anger and found out it wasn't him, they

0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:08.480
<v Speaker 2>had to consider new theory. So someone out there, someone

0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:11.080
<v Speaker 2>was like, what if it wasn't pal Anger? But what

0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:12.880
<v Speaker 2>if he was the inspiration? What if they were like

0:50:13.000 --> 0:50:16.759
<v Speaker 2>pulling a pal Anger? Amazing? Right, So like Elizabeth in

0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:18.480
<v Speaker 2>My world, Caps and Criminals, they both talk like the

0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:20.960
<v Speaker 2>guys from Ocean's eleven, twelve and thirteen, where it's like

0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:22.839
<v Speaker 2>you were you know, you know what I'm talking about,

0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Like when Brad Pitt's like off the top of my

0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:27.160
<v Speaker 2>head and say you're looking at a Bowski, a Jim Brown,

0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:29.320
<v Speaker 2>a Miss Daisy you, Jeff Rows, and a Leon Spinks.

0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:32.439
<v Speaker 2>Not to mention the world's biggest Ella Fitzgerald. Ever, Yeah,

0:50:32.600 --> 0:50:34.160
<v Speaker 2>I look this up because I could never figure out

0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:36.920
<v Speaker 2>that last one, the biggest Ella Fitzgerald Ever, What does

0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:39.200
<v Speaker 2>he mean when he says that, you know, I couldn't

0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:41.080
<v Speaker 2>remember this one. You probably couldn't remember. You definitely couldn't

0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:42.479
<v Speaker 2>remember this when in the seventies there was a series

0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:45.560
<v Speaker 2>of commercials for the MEMORYX cassette tapes and Ella Fitzgerald

0:50:45.840 --> 0:50:48.320
<v Speaker 2>hits a high sea while she's singing and breaks a

0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:49.080
<v Speaker 2>wine glass.

0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:50.319
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I've seen clips here.

0:50:50.400 --> 0:50:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's a historic ad. They used to be

0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:56.480
<v Speaker 2>excited all the time. So commercial narrator then says, is

0:50:56.520 --> 0:50:58.799
<v Speaker 2>it live or is it memor x? Right, So that

0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:01.640
<v Speaker 2>was a reference to the bank fault part of the job,

0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:03.960
<v Speaker 2>and how spoiler alert they made a mock up of

0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:06.880
<v Speaker 2>the vault rob that recorded and played it back. Aka,

0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:11.719
<v Speaker 2>is it live or is it memorized? Oh? Erld is?

0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 2>I thought you'd get back to our starts movies? Are

0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:17.759
<v Speaker 2>I love them? So what happened to the cats in

0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:19.960
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and four who also got lucky and walked

0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:22.720
<v Speaker 2>away with the scream just like their inspiration pal Anger?

0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:25.880
<v Speaker 2>So once the aus of the Police considered new theories,

0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:27.799
<v Speaker 2>they came up with a winner. What if the two

0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:30.600
<v Speaker 2>thousand and four thieves were doing a poll Anger and

0:51:30.640 --> 0:51:34.080
<v Speaker 2>they were what he was a distraction for other criminals

0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:36.440
<v Speaker 2>to hit jewelry stores in banks because all the cops

0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:39.400
<v Speaker 2>are focused on the scream. Turns out that's exactly what

0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:42.920
<v Speaker 2>it was. A gang of street criminals who pow Anger

0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:46.239
<v Speaker 2>was loosely affiliated with, decided to go old school and

0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:49.080
<v Speaker 2>give the cops something to investigate that wasn't them. So

0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:51.960
<v Speaker 2>they commissioned some idiot amateurs who weren't pal Anger to

0:51:52.040 --> 0:51:54.719
<v Speaker 2>steal the scream and pull a pall Anger so the

0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:57.880
<v Speaker 2>street criminals could operate in peace. They could raid banks

0:51:57.880 --> 0:52:00.800
<v Speaker 2>without hassle for months, which is what they did. Meanwhile,

0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:03.520
<v Speaker 2>the mastermind for the copycat crime slipped out of the country.

0:52:03.560 --> 0:52:06.680
<v Speaker 2>He turns up in Madrid and that's where he, it's believed,

0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:10.359
<v Speaker 2>linked up with a notorious Norwegian hash smuggler, a guy

0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:15.520
<v Speaker 2>who could get that sweet. Now, this mastermind exchanged his

0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:18.000
<v Speaker 2>cut of the bank raids for some of that sweet

0:52:18.000 --> 0:52:21.640
<v Speaker 2>sweet Afghani hashish and plan to smuggle his way to freedom,

0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Except for the pair were both busted in a hotel

0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 2>room in Malaga's Spain because I think the Norwegian hash

0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:33.560
<v Speaker 2>smuggler was under surveillance. So they get busted in Andalusia.

0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:35.560
<v Speaker 3>The Spaniards don't play.

0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Do they do not? Dating back to Franco, they do

0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:38.800
<v Speaker 2>not play.

0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:41.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is the last place you wanted to do

0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:42.000
<v Speaker 3>some smugglings.

0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:44.440
<v Speaker 2>So once he's in custody, the alleged mastermind of the

0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:47.000
<v Speaker 2>bank raids and the second theft of the Scream confesses

0:52:47.000 --> 0:52:49.160
<v Speaker 2>his involvement. He names the four men he hired to

0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:50.759
<v Speaker 2>pull the job. He's like, you can find him here, here,

0:52:50.800 --> 0:52:53.480
<v Speaker 2>and here. Paul Anger gets questioned, taken into custody, and

0:52:53.520 --> 0:52:56.279
<v Speaker 2>that's when he gets exonerated for any part in the

0:52:56.320 --> 0:52:59.040
<v Speaker 2>copycat theft, and the paintings were recovered.

0:52:59.120 --> 0:52:59.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:52:59.440 --> 0:53:01.920
<v Speaker 2>After that, Anger went the other way with art, Elizabeth.

0:53:02.000 --> 0:53:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Instead of stealing it, he started creating it. Oh, just

0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:07.560
<v Speaker 2>like your guys, this warm football or street criminal art

0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:09.719
<v Speaker 2>thief becomes a fine art painter himself.

0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:10.280
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:13.000
<v Speaker 2>He prefers to work in abstract forms. His work is

0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:16.040
<v Speaker 2>considered reminiscent of Edvard Munsch's use of color and tonality.

0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:18.400
<v Speaker 2>In fact, some folks believe they can see a ghostly

0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:22.760
<v Speaker 2>image of the screen painted into many of Pale Anger's works. Yeah. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>down in the corner of his painting, he signs them

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<v Speaker 2>p Anger, which, as you recall, is money in Norwegian.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's still that kid in the Stolen Beamer. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>He refuses to sell his story, by the way, because

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<v Speaker 2>the UK cat tabloids came calling. Oh sure, one even

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<v Speaker 2>offered him one hundred thousand pounds to tell his story

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<v Speaker 2>in their pages as an exclusive. Powell Anger thought better

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<v Speaker 2>of it. Yeah, because he didn't want to betray or

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<v Speaker 2>piss off his underworld associates.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he's like Vladimir Stop.

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<v Speaker 2>He smart about it. There's the one choice he looked

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<v Speaker 2>out for him in this one moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He did also occasionally speak about the burglary that made

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<v Speaker 2>him Norway's most famous art thief, and he did share

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<v Speaker 2>what it felt like to steal the scream as how

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<v Speaker 2>Anger said, and I quote, this is the coolest painting

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. I just drove around for hours thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about what I should do and what would happen. It

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<v Speaker 2>was really electric. It was just a great feeling. It

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<v Speaker 2>was magical. Even though he was fifty three at the

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<v Speaker 2>time of a very late interview, the newly minted fine

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<v Speaker 2>art painter was still something of a scoff log because

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<v Speaker 2>he was facing nineteen traffic offenses, ranging from stealing a

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<v Speaker 2>taxi sign to driving without a license, so he was

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<v Speaker 2>still kind of about that life. Yeah, for a final

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<v Speaker 2>word from Pile Anger, he once told a Norwegian newspaper

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<v Speaker 2>that from his life in crime he learned one all

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<v Speaker 2>important lesson, and I quote, you should not live in

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<v Speaker 2>movies and get bad role models.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a very good right.

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<v Speaker 2>We hear there's a lot on the show about how

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<v Speaker 2>movies were in inspiration for these kids and we had

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<v Speaker 2>become criminals. And you know whatever, who am I to

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<v Speaker 2>say where we should draw our inspirations. Art imitates life,

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<v Speaker 2>life imitates art, crime imitates movies. All that, right, two

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<v Speaker 2>way street. But if you're going to choose crime movies

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<v Speaker 2>as your rule book for life, yeah, try to pick

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<v Speaker 2>ones where the criminal role models get away with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes they're rare, I know, but you can find them.

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<v Speaker 2>Think to Shawshank redemption. So Elizabeth, what's a ridiculous takeaway here?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, I am still casting the film in

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<v Speaker 3>my head. But no, I think that it's curious this

0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 3>notion of a big crime to distract from all the

0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:27.239
<v Speaker 3>little crimes. Right, I think that a lot. I think

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<v Speaker 3>I've talked about it before, like my suspicions. When I

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<v Speaker 3>see those big crimes, it's clever. That's very clever.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the move.

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<v Speaker 3>Saren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm, let me think about them. I don't have one. Okay, cool, No,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kidding. I think wig game. We need to get

0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:45.239
<v Speaker 2>into wigs. We do, we do the shows. We both

0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:46.040
<v Speaker 2>show up in a wig.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, down, down, So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I got for you. Producer Deed, you got

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<v Speaker 2>to talk back, because I'm in the mood to wash

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<v Speaker 2>this down with something fropthy.

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<v Speaker 5>I went, Elizabeth, I've been waiting to send something to you.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Vanessa from Texas. I'm gonna send it now.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not what I wanted to send. It's mama, don't

0:56:19.920 --> 0:56:27.080
<v Speaker 5>like your babies grow up to drive cybertrucks. And the

0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:29.480
<v Speaker 5>reason why I didn't want to send that is because

0:56:29.520 --> 0:56:32.480
<v Speaker 5>it could have been better. But you told me Banksy

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<v Speaker 5>might have been a woman. Ah'm freaking out.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, girl got to First of all, that was perfect,

0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:45.120
<v Speaker 3>It was beautiful, and mama should not let their babies

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<v Speaker 3>grow up to drive cyber trucks.

0:56:46.360 --> 0:56:47.920
<v Speaker 2>I think William Whalen would both.

0:56:49.360 --> 0:56:52.600
<v Speaker 3>Be on board with that. And yeah, Banksy maybe.

0:56:53.880 --> 0:56:53.960
<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, my theory is Banksy's everybody.

0:56:56.600 --> 0:56:58.360
<v Speaker 2>We're all banks By the way, you're Banksy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thanks girl.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go. You can find us online Ridiculous

0:57:02.400 --> 0:57:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Crime on social media's there go. Look, and we have

0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:08.320
<v Speaker 2>a website, Ridiculous Crime dot com, which is I think

0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:12.479
<v Speaker 2>now up for Monopoly Role Playing Game of the Year.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, very rare award, but I'm very excited. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>tabletop games.

0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:19.360
<v Speaker 3>They get those every ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, and obviously we love your talkback, so please

0:57:21.800 --> 0:57:24.480
<v Speaker 2>go to that herd app downloaded record one. Maybe hear

0:57:24.520 --> 0:57:27.200
<v Speaker 2>your voice here, do it. It's fun. Also, emails you

0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:29.479
<v Speaker 2>like a Ridiculous crime at gmail dot com. Lease start

0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:32.240
<v Speaker 2>at the email DA producer d. And we also have,

0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:35.920
<v Speaker 2>by the way, a new YouTube channel which apparently I

0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:38.040
<v Speaker 2>told you that the wrong place last time. Go to

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<v Speaker 2>Ridiculous Crime Pod.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just ridiculous crime Pod. I've said it the wrong way,

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<v Speaker 3>You've said it the wrong So there you go, Ridiculous

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<v Speaker 3>Crime Pod. I don't know, I just work here.

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<v Speaker 2>We're about that pod life, so thanks for listening. We

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<v Speaker 2>will catch you next. Crime Ridiculous Crime is hosted by

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabethutton That's Her and Sarah Burnett That's Me. Produce and

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<v Speaker 2>and starring Annelie's Rugger as Judith. Research is by the

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