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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime. It's a production of Iheartradiobe.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Hi, So I have a question for you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because I saw you walk in with this big smile

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Speaker 2: on your face. I don't want to ruin it, so

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna ask you a question. Feels ridiculous, I do.

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Speaker 2: I knew it from the look.

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Speaker 3: I know what's ridiculous. You like corn? Right?

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Speaker 2: Both the band?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, both the vegetable the edible treat and then with

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Speaker 3: a k the band. Do you like that the lead

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Speaker 3: singer Jonathan Davis.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, totally. He and I are both style kings

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Speaker 2: when it comes to the Didas tracksuit being our signature love.

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Speaker 3: Yes. Well, here's another area in which he's a style king.

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Speaker 3: He has a company called Freak on a Leash, which

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Speaker 3: is the name of the band's song, one of.

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Speaker 2: The songs, one of their big hits.

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Speaker 3: Freak on a Leash is a pet accessory company.

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Speaker 2: That's right there.

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Speaker 3: That's right there. And so he has a new collaboration

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Speaker 3: with some I don't know, some like celebrity stylist.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, is give me the first mashup? I like?

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Speaker 3: I think so. Ashton Michael is Ashton Herona is a

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Speaker 3: I guess he's a stylist anyway, Ashton Heroda Ashton. He

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Speaker 3: has a company, Ashton Michael. They're doing a.

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Speaker 2: Collab Ashton Michael.

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Speaker 3: With freaking elish graphic bandanas, a ouigi plush toy, a

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Speaker 3: suede tug rope toy.

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Speaker 2: Maybe say aigi board like the what do they call it?

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Speaker 2: A plank like the select type thing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's that called it? Anyway?

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Speaker 2: You know, boards mouse.

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Speaker 3: It's happened to me a couple of times in my

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Speaker 3: life where I have to remember what that word is.

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Speaker 3: Plank at plank.

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Speaker 2: Plantchett, planchet. Oh, that's what you're looking.

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Speaker 3: For, Elizabeth, you did it again where you go? So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you can see that they A'm showing you a picture

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Speaker 3: right now. Yes, huh. It's basically looks like those studded

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Speaker 3: punk belts. Yeah, kind of, you know, you know, full disclosure.

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Speaker 3: I've got two dogs now, it's true, and I don't

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Speaker 3: think either of them would look appropriate in free condition.

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Speaker 2: You don't think so. Even if I like split to

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Speaker 2: them and like, I like, try this on, they're less

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Speaker 2: corn your flesh Mama will love more.

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Speaker 3: Like Grateful Dead seventy four.

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Speaker 2: Mellows like you know they belong in like a.

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Speaker 3: Garden, Yeah, like an Almond Brothers, like.

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Speaker 2: A solo broken glass.

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Speaker 3: No, no, they're not bad Boy Joneses. They're sweety pies.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, so anyway, free condilish dog apparel. There's an

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Speaker 3: entire website.

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Speaker 2: Of course, this is ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: You got me to like, I know, I found a

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Speaker 3: mashup corn and dog collars.

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Speaker 2: Collars.

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Speaker 3: Well, they have like a harness that looks like a

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Speaker 3: little like denim vest from the dirt bag, very fun

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Speaker 3: from the ice cell sing lit cigarettesleveless gas station parking lot.

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Speaker 2: We freighted yet took a jacket and cut the slee patches.

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Speaker 3: For like corn. And then you go up to the

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Speaker 3: dog and you're like, name three songs. You're not a

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Speaker 3: real corn fans.

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Speaker 2: The owner's looking at me all strange. What's wrong with you? Man?

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Speaker 2: Hey man? You're your dog's always coming at me with this.

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Speaker 3: You're the one with a freak on a leash. See,

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Speaker 3: there's so much right there right there.

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Speaker 2: Well, I got a question for you. That's not that,

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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: You know how they say what made the Mona Lisa famous?

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Speaker 2: Isn't that it was painted by Leonardo da Vinci.

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Speaker 3: Is Leonardo DiCaprio.

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Speaker 2: No, that not that either, Elizabeth. Yeah, you need to

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Speaker 2: go back to school, open the schools. And it isn't

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Speaker 2: because it's a priceless masterpiece. It is. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: a priceless masterpiece. But that's not why it's famous. Apparently

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Speaker 2: it's famous because, as we've covered here on the show before,

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Speaker 2: the Mona Lisa became famous when it was stolen. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: I guess what, Elizabeth, that's also the reason that the

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Speaker 2: the guy who stole it, says.

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Speaker 3: And he would say that, he would.

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Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous campers,

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Speaker 2: heist sands cons It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 2: and one hundred percent ridiculous. Baby is Elizabeth Darren today.

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Speaker 2: I would like to start our story by reading from

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Speaker 2: a diary. I would, but don't worry, it's not my diary.

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Speaker 2: I don't keep a diary. My Pops taught me you

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Speaker 2: being told on my airpiece that was not my pops.

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Speaker 2: Stringer Bell from the wire either way. I don't keep

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Speaker 2: a diary, but you know who does, or rather who did?

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Speaker 2: Edvard Munch, the Norwegian painter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you know much about him?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well he was well and this is from the

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Speaker 2: New York Times description of him, and I quote a

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Speaker 2: troubled recluse who lived in only two rooms of a

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Speaker 2: with storage boxes, clutter, and paintings that he refused to sell.

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Speaker 2: When he died in nineteen forty four at age eighty,

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Speaker 2: he willed his art to the city, which built the

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Speaker 2: Munch Museum house.

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Speaker 3: It dream setup now sadly, as the Time.

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Speaker 2: Also notes, quote, city officials have been criticized for spending

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Speaker 2: too little to protect and promote it. Oh yeah, so

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Speaker 2: what about his artwork though, well.

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Speaker 3: What about it? It's very very sensual, very not central

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, vivid colors, ving much like van

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Speaker 2: Go where he is working with heavy brushstrokes, yes, and

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Speaker 2: heavy mental heaviness. So yeah, he very much drew him

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Speaker 2: from his experience of life. Right. So, for instance, the

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Speaker 2: inspiration of his most famous work came from a sunset

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Speaker 2: he saw one day. Story goes, he's out walking with

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Speaker 2: a pair of friends. The sun is setting. It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: He's overcome. The mood was severe. It captivates his mind.

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Speaker 2: Right the sky looks like blood Edvard Munch pauses a moment,

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Speaker 2: tells his friends, I need to take this all in right.

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Speaker 2: of this blood red sky. He says, it's like tongues

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Speaker 2: Those are his words right now. We all know this

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Speaker 2: because he recorded in his diary. On January twenty second,

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Speaker 2: eighteen ninety two, Edvard Munch scribbled in his diary, and

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Speaker 2: I quote one in the evening, I was walking along

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Speaker 2: and looked out over the fjord. The sun was setting,

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Speaker 2: and the clouds turning blood red, and a scream passing

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Speaker 2: through nature. It seemed to me that I heard the scream.

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Speaker 2: I painted this picture, painted the clouds as actual blood.

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Speaker 2: The color shrieked. This became the scream, Elizabeth, I can

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Speaker 2: only assume that you were familiar with the painting the Scream.

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Speaker 2: Do you like it?

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Speaker 3: Uh, it's not it's not that I don't like it.

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Speaker 3: I don't have, you know, strong feelings either way. I

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Speaker 3: think it's hearing this story. It's really interesting because you

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Speaker 3: don't really think of sunsets, at least I don't in

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Speaker 3: that sort of sinister I mean, you can have it

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Speaker 3: in kind of a melancholy way, but a scream go

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Speaker 3: through nature. Yeah, it seems more urgent, and it's.

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Speaker 2: Like we're in a Hertzog. Only he would hear the

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Speaker 2: scream in nature, in a sunset exactly. Now, there's some

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Speaker 2: theories that what Munch was experiencing that afternoon on his

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Speaker 2: walk with his friends we would now call a panic attack.

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Speaker 2: The painting is an artist rendition of a panic attack. Now,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I agree with that or even

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Speaker 2: really like that theory. I mean, it's fun to contemplate,

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Speaker 2: but I really this diagnosing things retroactively, even if it applies,

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, but you know me, I'm not a

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Speaker 2: big fan of labels anyway. Edvard Munch he paints the

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Speaker 2: Scream in eighteen ninety three. In fact, he painted it

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Speaker 2: multiple times, twice in pastels, twice in oils, as if

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Speaker 2: you were seeking a way to capture what he experienced,

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Speaker 2: that scream of nature. Right, there's another interesting theory about

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Speaker 2: the painting that Edvard Munch saw that day, the tongues

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Speaker 2: and those blood red skies, and there may have been

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Speaker 2: a meteorological cause for it. Okay, So some scholars suggested

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Speaker 2: Edvard Munch was so taken with the sky because of

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Speaker 2: the eruption of the supervolcano Krakatoa. Like it was huge,

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Speaker 2: It was massive when it erupted. People nineteen hundred miles

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Speaker 2: the island of Krakatoa when it went off, right, So

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Speaker 2: it turned sky's blood red with the ash and dust

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Speaker 2: all around the globe, right, just darken skies, including as

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Speaker 2: far away as Norway. Yeah, there's only one problem with

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Speaker 2: this theory though. Edvard Moons painted the scream in eighteen

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Speaker 2: ninety three, and Krakatoa erupted in eighteen eighty three, a

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Speaker 2: Sure, the skies were not blood red for a decade though,

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Speaker 2: So it's doubtful that the super volcano. But perhaps he did. Wait,

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Speaker 2: but he makes it seem as if he painted it

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Speaker 3: Yes, remember when the wildfire's here. It was during COVID time,

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Speaker 2: Twenty, Yeah, the Blade Runner Scots.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're an entire day now that that is something

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Speaker 3: that kind of was panic inducing for you. Yeah, because

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Speaker 3: it was so unsettling. It was perpetual sunset all day long.

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Speaker 3: Everything was orange and red. When he looked outside, that

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Speaker 3: the entire sky, everything.

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Speaker 2: It was gonna go away. So I love it, But.

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Speaker 3: Then I kept thinking, what if it doesn't. That's the

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Speaker 3: worst case scenario. And it was really unsettling, and it was.

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Speaker 3: It was weird in terms of, you know, disrupting your

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Speaker 3: circadian of them, your sense of time of day.

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Speaker 2: Yes, overcast guys do that too.

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Speaker 1: Me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't tell. But I used the sun to

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Speaker 2: mark time. Okay a lot. It's no I do. But

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Speaker 2: it's just a habit I got into as a house painter.

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Speaker 2: You're outside all the time. You know exactly where the

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Speaker 2: sun's at this point, it means that suns at this point,

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Speaker 2: it means that you use the sun just subtly to

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Speaker 2: kind of track your day.

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Speaker 3: Yes, when it's overcast, you're just.

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Speaker 2: Like, I'm screwed. I have no que They am, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm like a guy with a sun dial. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you what time.

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Speaker 3: It is, but I mean I could see how that

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Speaker 3: kind of if it was Krakatoa, it would, you know,

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Speaker 3: stay with you and then maybe.

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Speaker 2: You know, five years from now you see it again.

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Speaker 3: Really terrifying poem about this blade Runner Scott.

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Speaker 2: There's another theory for what inspired the world famous painting.

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Speaker 2: It's based on the view that the view of the

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Speaker 2: painting like actually what you see. People figured out where

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to tell you about that. So sit back,

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Speaker 2: It's August twenty second, two thousand and four. It's been

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Speaker 2: But you know what you like, and you are captivated

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Speaker 2: so the thief gives a good hard yank. The wires

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Speaker 2: The man freezes in place. He stares at the gun

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Speaker 2: When it was all over and the art was heisted

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Speaker 2: applauded the security guard for insuring everyone's safety. Yeah, he

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Speaker 3: Moved, nobody get hurt.

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Speaker 2: Now the museum director even defended the guard's action, noting

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like, who do they.

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Speaker 2: Possibly think they can sell this painting to the city

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Speaker 2: reward was huge, big, two million Norwegian kroner. Wow, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: conversions and inflation in this case, yes, so for this one,

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Speaker 2: thousand and four would be about thirty one million now

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Speaker 2: that's really that's nothing for these This painting is worth

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Speaker 2: but it's worth hundreds of millions.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, But if it's worth hundreds of millions, and

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Speaker 3: you think about how much gets shaved off, Yeah, by

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I take it now. To help sweeten the offered reward,

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Speaker 3: Where are they getting up in the business.

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Speaker 2: They love the painting, they love the screen.

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Speaker 3: Wait what I know?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 3: They just just like, oh and we'll give you EM

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Speaker 2: For We're just needing some free advertising here, all right.

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Speaker 2: We got a new account executive. He just really wanted

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Speaker 3: Why are you inserting yourself into a crime?

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Speaker 2: Melts in your hand, not in your mouth?

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Speaker 3: But I just don't understand. So yeah, like you're just

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Speaker 3: you seven thousand tacos Taco Bell exactly do you hand

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Speaker 3: that back over? What is that? What's this got to

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Speaker 3: What I mean, like, you see the scream is on

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and it's emoji.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's whatever, but it's like Emine.

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Speaker 2: There's a whole series of movies with it. But that's

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Speaker 3: That's supposed to be that one? Is it?

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Speaker 2: I think?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I thought it was,

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Speaker 3: There now I'm questioning was there like a tie in

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Speaker 3: I had like I would love to have my product, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, you know me, this seems like ash and I

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Speaker 3: I was like stuck in this. I love it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll let you know. There were no takers. The

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Speaker 3: They're like thirty one mil not interested. Wait, how many eminems?

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Speaker 2: So somehow the two of the most inet burglars we've covered,

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Speaker 2: But like, what's the deal with them? Obviously, as they said,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but it feels like it. Obviously, after

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Speaker 2: So they want their master he's back, and they want

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Speaker 2: that's just embarrassing. And not only that, this was not

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Speaker 3: Wait, really, yes, ten.

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Speaker 2: except they didn't do a daytime snatching grab, but they

434
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,159
Speaker 2: went in and just yanked it off the walls. But

435
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,400
Speaker 2: I'll tell you more about them and the earlier attempt

436
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 2: a little later. Anyway, Now that the paintings are perlined

437
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,200
Speaker 2: and the police of Oslo are on high alert. All

438
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 2: available officers are put on this case. They're gonna get

439
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,960
Speaker 2: the screen back, come hell or high water from whatever

440
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,919
Speaker 2: fjords they got. And to focus their investigation, they started

441
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 2: with the usual suspects. Chief among them was one man

442
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 2: pal Anger. He was a knockabout small time criminal, former

443
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 2: professional footballer. He played in the Elite Syrian, which is

444
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 2: the Norwegian version of the Premier League. Not a football star,

445
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 2: but he was a pro gamer, right he saw time

446
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,439
Speaker 2: on the pitch. This whole thing. The reason why the

447
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 2: Norwegian police were immediately focused on this former football or

448
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 2: the former soccer player was and also just a general

449
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 2: good time guy pal Anger, is that he was known

450
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 2: to be rather obsessed.

451
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 3: With Edvard Moonse's the greatest name ever totally.

452
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 2: And you see he'd once been sent to prison for

453
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 2: stealing a different Edvard Munch masterpiece, one called the Vampire.

454
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 2: So the police state, the cops, they thought we got

455
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,479
Speaker 2: perfect good reason to go rouse them. So they go

456
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 2: and they roused him and they questioned Paul Anger, and

457
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 2: that's what they did. So what do you think, Elizabeth,

458
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 2: do you think Paull Anger said to the cops when

459
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 2: they showed up asking questions about this missing Edvard Moonscheb masterpiece.

460
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 2: You think he gave him the load? Do you think

461
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 2: he died? What do you think? Elizabeth?

462
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to tell me.

463
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 2: I will tell you after these messages, which I hear,

464
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,719
Speaker 2: are both fresh and so clean. So you got that

465
00:21:45,760 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 2: going for you, Yes, Elizabeth, ready for more Norwegian our crimes?

466
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 3: I am I.

467
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 2: Thought this would be fun for you. We hadn't done

468
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 2: in our crime. I hadn't done in our crime in

469
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 2: a while, like him, and this was Norwegian flavored.

470
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 3: This is excellent.

471
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 2: So at this point the Norwegian police are feeling the

472
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 2: heat about their missing national treasure. So they turn, as

473
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 2: they said, to the one guy poll Anger and they say, hey,

474
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 2: pal what do you know? Or Paul it's p A

475
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 2: A L paul A pall Anger. So when the police

476
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 2: questioned him, he levels with them. He's like, hey, I

477
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 2: got nothing to do with it, man, this not this time.

478
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: So the police are like, oh, okay, they roused him,

479
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,719
Speaker 2: they check him, they bring them in, they questioned him,

480
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 2: they check his place, like damn it, he seems clean.

481
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 2: So who is this pal Anger? Great question. I'm just

482
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 2: loving how you're just right on my.

483
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 3: Heel right, well, I'm scribbling down frantically.

484
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. So we've uh, we'll let the stolen

485
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 2: masterpiece dangle in the wind while we get to know

486
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 2: pal and age sixteen, Powlanger left his hometown to go

487
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: seek his fortunes in the wide wide world. He was

488
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 2: an ambitious lad. He was from Vita, which is a

489
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: neighborhood of Alna, which is a suburb of Oslo, Sure, Norway.

490
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 2: Now this was a rough neighborhoo. Apparently from everything I read,

491
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 2: I've never been there. But young Pile wanted out. He

492
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 2: figured he'd get out either via professional soccer stardom or crime.

493
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,959
Speaker 2: Kind of gives you an idea of the neighborhood, right,

494
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 2: so it's like the whole basketball or crime idea soccer.

495
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 2: So he was known to be a slender, fair haired

496
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: boy who was often not at school. One of his

497
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: classmates recalled how quote the hours he was present at

498
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 2: school in the eighth year can be counted on one hand.

499
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 2: When he came, it was only to play sport. Oddly enough,

500
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 2: nobody seemed to care not about him playing sport, but

501
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: him not going to school, so he kicked about for

502
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 2: his adolescence. He studied his ball handling skills and his

503
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 2: coked out tenacity and his goal scoring focus of his

504
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: football hero Diego Maradona, Oh god right, And he studied

505
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 2: the ways of his cinematic hero Don Corleone, Oh dear.

506
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 2: He liked to dream about the movie that would one

507
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 2: day be made about his life, either as a dashing

508
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 2: and charming football star or an underworld Bob bust. Do

509
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: you take your pick? Either one was cool withing oh Son.

510
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: And when I say he studied Diego Maradona and Don Corleone,

511
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 2: I mean as a teenager he wants flew to New

512
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: York just to see the streets that Marlon Brando had

513
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: walked on in The Godfather.

514
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 3: And he knew he knows it's fake, yeah.

515
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: But he wanted to see that little Italy.

516
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

517
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: He's like, I want to see I want to feel that,

518
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 2: you know.

519
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: OK.

520
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: So, around that same time, his soccer goals were coming along.

521
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: He joined the junior teams of a professional squad and

522
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 2: so then think of it like minor league soccer. His

523
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 2: teammates liked him and they thought he belonged on the team.

524
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: He was good. He was clearly a professional grade player.

525
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 2: He was genial, likable guy. He spread the ball around.

526
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: He also drove super slick sports car, so he was

527
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: kind of cool. His teammates also wondered how he had

528
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: so much money for such flat He's like sixteen seventeen eighteen.

529
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 3: He's like a minor league. Yeah he's not.

530
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: People are barely able to pay their rent and he's

531
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: over there like, oh yeah, I got a new Beamer,

532
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 2: like you just had another one two months ago. So

533
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: he had his one sports card that he had painted

534
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: he Anger like pe the word letter P and then

535
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 2: E N G E R, which is basically pale anger

536
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 2: right painted on the side, Elizabeth. This would all be

537
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: way funnier to you if you spoke Norwegian, because Penger

538
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: is Norwegian for money. So he was driving around a

539
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 2: sports car with the word money painted on the side

540
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: p Anger. So Powell Anger used to love to boast

541
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: anyone who would listen. There's only one Porsche in Oslo

542
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: mine and on Sundays, people from the western edge, this

543
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: was the rich part of Oslo. Came to Tita to

544
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: watch me washing the car. Came to watch a new

545
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: car washes. Yeah, I'm like, okay, so that's his lie anyway.

546
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 2: So there he is, this young footballer with a taste

547
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: for the fast life and an ion crime.

548
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 3: Eighty people on the west side of town are like, hey, honey,

549
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 3: I heard there's a Porsche.

550
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 2: Just came to check. You did and steal my car?

551
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: Kids in the Volvo and we're gonna drive over and

552
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 3: kids who wants to go watch a guy wash a

553
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 3: sports car?

554
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: Brings next me me should we bring.

555
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: The dogs, bring the kippers? Let's go.

556
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: At eighteen, he makes his debut in the UFA Cup match.

557
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 2: He came on as a substitute, right, so by twenty

558
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: one he's on his way now to his legitimate soccer dreams.

559
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 2: By nineteen eighty eight, at the age of twenty twenty one,

560
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 2: he makes his professional debut on the soccer pitch for

561
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: the five time champs of the Norwegian Professional League Etliticirian.

562
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 2: The club called Vala Ranga. Okay's all right, so this

563
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: club manager of that soccer team, the dag Vestland, said

564
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 2: of Powell Anger, he was very talented. He was small, quick, tough.

565
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: I liked him a lot. He was always very well behaved,

566
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: in my dealings with him, always polite, very humble. Now

567
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: his teammates had a slightly difference, a street level view

568
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: of Powell. Yeah. One teammate said, what I remember about

569
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: Powell is he never took the tube to the city.

570
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 2: He would steal a car to make the journey instead.

571
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: His specialty was porschous, BMW's and Mercedes. It was all

572
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: a bit confusing because we had a policeman on the

573
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: same team. Oh wow, So it wasn't all a big secret.

574
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: And some folks clearly knew this, how this young kid

575
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: could live so big as a backup professional soccer player,

576
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: and most of them didn't seem to care much Like

577
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: when he wasn't attending class, he just kind of slipped

578
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: through the cracks right most of them. There were the

579
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: two teammates who were part time cops, not one two,

580
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: and they saw how Pollanger would never wear the same

581
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: tracksuit twice because he would trash the old one and

582
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 2: just always rock a brand new fit, and it just

583
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 2: bothered them, like what the hell, So they get suspicious

584
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 2: and they didn't like his answer that he hated to

585
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: do laundry. So Knute Rold Loberg was one of the cops,

586
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 2: and he later recalled how Powanger and his football prowess

587
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: were well. As he put it quote, he was a

588
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: good player. He had scored a lot of goals for

589
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: the junior side. He was sharp, quick, technical, but to

590
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: stay concentrated and be professional, there were a lot of

591
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 2: challenges for him. I tried to help him. Everyone in

592
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: the dressing room looked out for one another. So being

593
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: a cop, the way he decides to help his teammate

594
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: is to follow him after practice, after matches on off days,

595
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: just generally snoop on him. He and the other cop

596
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: teammate follow him all around Oslo. They clock how he

597
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: spends large amounts of money. He's buying clothes, He's buying

598
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 2: fancy watches. He obviously didn't need to buy cars, he

599
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 2: just stole those. Yeah, but he did drop mad loot

600
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 2: on expensive restaurants, hotels and vacations. He's living that luxfe.

601
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 2: His cop teammates hate this, so they're surveiling him, surveiling him,

602
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: and they're documenting this with photographs in like, you know,

603
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: at eleven PM, he bought such and such. So they

604
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: also see how he's not just so much of it

605
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: being his money that he's spending. It's the people's money

606
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: he's spending, Elizabeth because he was a burglar and a thief,

607
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: and they watched him also do those crimes. They watched

608
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: him steal jewelry, they watched him rob cash, and finally,

609
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: when they thought they had enough evidence on their teammate,

610
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: they turned it over to full time cops, who then

611
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: rated their teammates home, and the cops found a veritable

612
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: lair of stolen goods. Oh Man, what really shocked them

613
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: was hanging there on one of the walls was they

614
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: stole masterpiece, the Edvard Munch painting The Vampire what Yes

615
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: painted the same year as The Scream. The original title

616
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: for the work was Love and Pain. This man was

617
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: going through it.

618
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

619
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: The figure in the painting is a woman. She has

620
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: this shocking red hair. She's embracing her victim and she's

621
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: just about to plunge her fangs into his neck. Turns

622
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: out the painting had been stolen from the Ostlo Munch

623
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: Museum a few months earlier, and it was not like

624
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: the rest of his stolen bounty. He didn't make sense

625
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: to the cops. They're like, what the hell is this doing? Here,

626
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: he's mostly just cut a young man would want. And

627
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: then there's one stolen masterpiece and specifically why that won.

628
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: So paal Anger explained it to the cops. He's like, well,

629
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: and I quote, I had no relationship with art other

630
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: than in primary school we went on a trip to

631
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: the munch Museum. I remember thinking his pictures were scary

632
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: and I was dreaming about them at night. Maybe Much

633
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: wasn't the only artist I had any relationship with. So

634
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: he stole a painting. Yeah, I want one, I can't

635
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: afford one. I'll take this one anyway. He gets tried, convicted,

636
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: senate's to prison, does his time, and then in nineteen

637
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: ninety four he gets released and almost immediately he goes

638
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: right back to crime.

639
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm good at only Yeah, what else is

640
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: he going to do?

641
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's like, and I'm too old for soccer now.

642
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: So it wasn't his fault, Elizabeth. He was trying to

643
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: go straight though apparently. I don't know if that's true.

644
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: I'd just like to say it, but I do know

645
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: that this crime that he was about to commit wasn't

646
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: his idea. Someone approached him, he was commissioned to do

647
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: a heist, since he had experience of stealing the Vampire.

648
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: His client said, I want you to steal another Edvard

649
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: Munch masterpiece. The client wanted pile Anger to steal the Scream.

650
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: He's like, okay, well I don't care. I'm not a

651
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: Norwegian patriot. I don't get ilse to steal that national treasure.

652
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: Oh and I forgot to tell you up top. The

653
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: reason why the police came to pile Anger when the

654
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: Scream was stolen in two thousand and four is because

655
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: he'd already attempted to steal it back in nineteen ninety four.

656
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: Oh he attempted, so he wasn't.

657
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: The client promised he would be paid extremely well, but

658
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: not only that he would keep the painting because like

659
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: you keep it. Wait, yeah, he gets to keep the Scream.

660
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: Ok So what's the client paying.

661
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 3: For just to stick it to the music?

662
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: What gives? Yeah? He an an old employee. He won

663
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: the lottery. Why would if someone paid to steal painting

664
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: in the level keep the painting?

665
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: Right?

666
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: Great question of.

667
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: Liza, I know it is.

668
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: Pal Anger didn't ask such questions. He didn't care, said

669
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: he went out walking. He hired three accomplices for his

670
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: art heist, which now brings us to the nineteen ninety

671
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: four Winter Olympics. You're wondering, what does this have to

672
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: do with the stories Erin, Do you remember the Lilla

673
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: Hamer Winter Olympics. It was the seventeenth Olympic Winter Games.

674
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: The games lasted from February twelfth to February twenty seventh,

675
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four. Okay, I know what might jog your

676
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: memory of Lilla Hammer Winter Olympics. That's the game when

677
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: Nancy Kerrigan got kneecapped by Tanya Harding's husband, boyfriend or whatever,

678
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: Jeff Goluli.

679
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: That's right, right, And I didn't.

680
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: Know his name. I had to look it up, right,

681
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: But I knew you'd know his name. But I had

682
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: to look this up because I needed something that maybe

683
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: you didn't know. He subcontracted the job out to an

684
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: underling the job. The guy who swung the beat down

685
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: stick was Tanya Harding's bodyguard, Sean Eckert. Four Litlahammer Olympics

686
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: are the ones Nancy Kerrigan missed out on. So wow anyway,

687
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: February twelfth, nineteen ninety four, the opening ceremony of the

688
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: Winter Olympics. They nicknamed it Elizabeth the Fairytale games. I know.

689
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: There were dancers dressed as angels and shepherds, ancient ghouls,

690
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: Nordic witches, all doing choreographs to moves as fireworks lit

691
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: up the white fallen snow, just reflecting the explosions above.

692
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: It was a wintertime merriment. That same day, early in

693
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: the morning, two men propped a ladder up against the

694
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: wall of the National Gallery in Oslo. They scurried up

695
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: the ladder, then one of them fell off the ladder,

696
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: so they scurried back up the ladder. Then one of

697
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: them smashed a window pane. They pulled open the window.

698
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: Then they just slipped inside and dropped onto the floor.

699
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: They scanned the gallery, did anybody see us? Then they

700
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: spotted what they came for, the scream. They pulled some

701
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: wirecutters from a pocket snip snip paintings freed, liberated or

702
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: in legal terms, stolen. Pall Ager pulled a note from

703
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: his pocket, left it behind. The note because you seem

704
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: to want to know this, Yeah, you read and I

705
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: quote a thousand thanks for your poor security. After the

706
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: note was placed, the thieves hustled back to their open window.

707
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: They're waiting ladder, and one after the other they snuck

708
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: back out this time. I don't think they fell. They

709
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: got away with Edvard Munch's most celebrated painting, one of

710
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: the most famous and recognizable paintings in the world. When

711
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: they get back to the getaway car, they shove the

712
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: painting down behind the driver's seat and just speed away.

713
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

714
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: They were not prepared for this thing, did not have

715
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: like a carrier case any of that. They're just like,

716
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: this will fit bout your feet, bob. So later that day,

717
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: when the museum staff discovered the missing masterpiece, they immediately

718
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: checked the surveillance footage and they checked also, you know,

719
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: all the way back to the night before. They scan

720
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: the video, they find there are images of the thieves.

721
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: Oh thank goodness. But the images are so blurry they're

722
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: essentially useless. Oh, we should have got new cameras. So

723
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: the chief investigator for the Oslo Police, a man named

724
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: Leif Lear, he said, simply put, we had nothing to

725
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: go on. So what do they do? Like, what do

726
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: they have to go on? They got nothing. So the

727
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: Norwegians can't let someone steal their national treasure and just

728
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: get away with it. So they outsourced the investigation to

729
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: real professionals who have some experience retrieving stolen artwork. They

730
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 2: turned to Scotland Yard. Oh yeah, I thought you'd like that.

731
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: They turned to a man named Charles Hill. He was

732
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 2: he's an Englishman. He's a cop who was an undercover

733
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: detective works for Scotland Yards Art and Antiques Division. I

734
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: think you can get a spot.

735
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: There that would amazing.

736
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: Specifically, he worked under the aegis of the London Metro Police. So,

737
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: as Powell Anger described this, detective Sherlock Holmes came to Norway,

738
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: which was just kind of funny.

739
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

740
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: And Charles Hill equally had an assessment of Powell Anger.

741
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: He said, of the wanna be master thief, In my experience,

742
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: all thieves are the same. The minute they see money

743
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: and smell it, the good sense disappears out of their skulls.

744
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 2: Then they're hooked the way a fishermen would hook a fish.

745
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: So what do you plan to do?

746
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: Was I like the clarification of yeah, you mean like

747
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: a fisherman.

748
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: Oh not like you're a heroin pedaling. Well, you know, literally,

749
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: when your nation has a history of pushing opium on

750
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 2: other countries, you have to clarify hooked, You're like, no, no,

751
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: I mean it like fishing, not like what we did

752
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: to China. Anyway, all back to it. The British Bobby

753
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 2: also decided he needed to play dress up. He needed

754
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: a wig and some costume changes. Yeah, yeah, right, I

755
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 2: figured it.

756
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 3: Like that department, you.

757
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: Should start wearing wigs. And you know, I'm not right now,

758
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: that's very true. I actually cannot tell at all. It's

759
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 2: so smoky in here now. His plan was he'd pretend

760
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: to be a quote, dodgy mint Atlantic accented art dealer.

761
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: Oh I love it. God, I really need to work.

762
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 3: I want to do a character.

763
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 2: The wig, the costume, the backstory is over there. I

764
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: mean they got like a whole like method department. So

765
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 2: as as I said, this guy, this brit Detective Charles

766
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 2: Hills fully commits to the bit. He decides his dodgy

767
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: art dealer was named Roberts. He worked for the J.

768
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 2: Paul Getty Museum in LA. For his look, he decided

769
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: Chris Roberts was a bow tie guy. He favored floral waistcoats.

770
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: Chris Roberts also like to top with a cream blazer. Whoa yeah,

771
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: so he also carried a suitcase which he claimed was

772
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: stuffed with cash for art buys. So all of his

773
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 2: prep work. He didn't think much of his quarry though,

774
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: as he'll recalled of his targets, the screen was stolen

775
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: by a bunch of Oslo no hopers. You could say

776
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: it was Norwegian organized crime. Two men in a ladder.

777
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: They went up the ladder and fell off when they

778
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: went up again and broke in the window to go

779
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: in and collect the painting.

780
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 3: It feels like it's an offensive joke, right, what do

781
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 3: you call organized crime?

782
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: You got a ladder?

783
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 3: Yeah?

784
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: I feel like somehow there's a slur ball that we

785
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: don't know about. It as a bridge going above my head.

786
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: As non Europeans were like, is this like a whole

787
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: like a Polish joke? But for the Norwegian?

788
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, I didn't know.

789
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: I've been. I had to quote the thank you for

790
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 2: doing once he studied. When he could of these suspects,

791
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: he starts to work the black market connections he has

792
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: see if he'd get a back channel message to the

793
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: art thieves to set up a meet and greet and

794
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: to buy back the stolen masterpiece to help with his

795
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 2: man hunt. The undercover detective partners with an underworld figure,

796
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: but a small group of middlemen right through his criminal confederates.

797
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 2: He gets an offer of a half million pounds for

798
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: the stolen masterpiece, just spread out amongst the underworld.

799
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

800
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Norwegian police, they're still working the case, but they've

801
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: got their expert right. Some of them didn't want this

802
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: brit to get all the glory for saving their national treasure,

803
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: I mean fair. The Norwegian cops were working with the

804
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: theory that the painting was stolen by a bunch of

805
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 2: fame seekers who wanted to use the world's attention thanks

806
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 2: to Lillehammer Winter Olympics, to guarantee they'd become famous or rich.

807
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: That is, even if they got caught, they'd be famous,

808
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: or if not, they'd be rich. That was their theory.

809
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: Other Norwegian cops were convinced that there was a mister

810
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: Big who'd hired thieves to steal the artwork for him,

811
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: because that was the talk in the underworld. This is

812
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: like some weird doctor no plot from James. Now. To

813
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: complicate things, there was also an anti abortion campaign and

814
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: a bunch of their most ardent supporters claimed they had

815
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 2: stolen the painting, and in one of their propaganda videos

816
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: that they released, they said if one of their propaganda

817
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,959
Speaker 2: videos was broadcast and released on Norwegian TV, then they'd

818
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: returned the painting.

819
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 3: So they got that problem over there too.

820
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, against the backdrop of competing theories and nonsense, it

821
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: just strayed up weirdness. Undercover detective Charles Hills starts to

822
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: stalk his criminal prey Wig on outfits locked.

823
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 3: See in my head. He's played by Benedict cabbage Patch.

824
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: Oh nice, And then the Paul Uh yeah, he's played

825
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 3: by Chet Hanks.

826
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: I did not see that.

827
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: And the underworld like the doctor know that's Tom Hardy.

828
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: Oh very good.

829
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 3: I'm making a great movie.

830
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: This is amazing. I love this. So he's now at

831
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: this point assisted by an Amsterdam based gangster who has

832
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: a predilection for high and art in the black market.

833
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: This guy, Charles Hill is convinced it wasn't the anti

834
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: abortion activists, not some shadowy mister Big or some thrill

835
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: seekers trying to piggyback off the Winter Olympics. Yeah, the

836
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: Dutch gangster and here are both convinced it's just some

837
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 2: amateurs who got lucky.

838
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: So Tom hardy and benefits cabbage patch. Yes, yes, okay.

839
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: So Charles Hill remembers the man hunt period very well.

840
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: And he said, and I quote and art thief catches

841
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: the disease. You see, there is a madness that afflicts

842
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: these people. They are not necessarily art lovers, but they

843
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: view the work as trophies. So he considers himself a

844
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: hunter of those who go after trophies. So he's a

845
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: trophy hunter hunter. So then he catches a break right there.

846
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: Is wasn't good surveillance video from the night of the robbery,

847
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: but five days earlier there was clear distinct image of

848
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 2: a very suspicious character wandering around the museum, clearly casing

849
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: the joint. And that man looked just like pal Anger

850
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 2: because it paling casing the joint. The suspect also looked

851
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,959
Speaker 2: a lot like a guy who'd recently posted a birth

852
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 2: announcement in the newspaper that proclaimed his newborn son Oscar

853
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: came into the world. Quote met ed screak, which in

854
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: Norwegian means.

855
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 3: With a scream, get out of town.

856
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: Apparently he even capitalized the s in screek, so it

857
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: looks like like a title. Yeah, So that that caught

858
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 2: the attention of the cops and detective Charles.

859
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: Scouring the paper the parts that people don't really read. Yeah, exactly, curious.

860
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: Checking a misconnections. You wouldn't see me on the tube.

861
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: So at this point Charles has been making headway in

862
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: his back channel campaign in the underworld. His bait cut

863
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: a bite he'd heard back that someone knew a guy

864
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: who knew a guy who wanted to sell a certain painting.

865
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: Wink wink, nudge nudge, know.

866
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: What I mean.

867
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: Relying on his mid Atlantic American accent, sounding like Catherine Hepburn,

868
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 2: he reels in his purp takes him three months start

869
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: to finish, and finally the wandering path leads to a

870
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 2: chalet in the country. That's where he's to meet his

871
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: thieves for an art buy. But the thieves have also

872
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: negotiated for more money. They wanted seven hundred thousand pounds.

873
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 2: The undercover cop agreed to their price. Now the trap

874
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: was fully set, and we Elizabeth will take a break. Yes,

875
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: and after these ads, I will tell you if the

876
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: dodgy fake art dealer with the good wig game catches

877
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: the former professional footballer turned art thief.

878
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 4: Can't wait.

879
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: And Rebecca Elizabeth so I got to ask you, you

880
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: seem like you're on the edge of your seat. Do

881
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: you think that the dodgy mid Atlantic art dealer who

882
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: talks like Catherine Hepburn Charles Hill, was able to get

883
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: his man?

884
00:41:59,000 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 3: I think so.

885
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: Well, we got to kind of doubt you. We'd be

886
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: hearing his name on the show if he didn't.

887
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: This is the earlier theft of the painting. We know

888
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 3: it's recovered in order to be stolen again.

889
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: Well maybe remember I said there were four paintings. Ah see,

890
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: I'm seating stuff it. So since he'd worked so diligently

891
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: to set up his fraudulent art by slash raid, let's

892
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: have Charles Hill recount what happens next in the Countryside

893
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 2: Chalet over to you, DCI Charles Hill, and I quote

894
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: from his interview with the BBC. What we did in

895
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: this particular case was to go from a person who

896
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: knew someone who knew someone else and just followed that

897
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: chain until we eventually got to the people who controlled

898
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: the painting. When I finally met the bad guys, I

899
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: had to convince them that the Getty Museum would pay

900
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 2: to recover the painting. The Norwegian criminals were on tenter hooks,

901
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: and I spent the entire time trying to calm them down.

902
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 2: Eventually they rang me quite late, about eleven thirty. So

903
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: now the DCI Charles Hills on a lake my phone

904
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: call with the thieves trying to control the exchange.

905
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 3: Wait late it was eleventh It was me.

906
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 2: So apparently when the alleged art thieves phoned him, they

907
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: told DCI Hill quote, right, we're going to do it now,

908
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: And I told them no way. I was going out

909
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: at midnight to walk in the wild woods with them

910
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: to get this thing back. We'd have to do it

911
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 2: in the morning. In the morning, I said, so he

912
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 2: is you if you can believe the art thieves are like, yeah, right,

913
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: suppose that makes sense. You want to pop down to

914
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: the chalet in the morning then, and they did so.

915
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 2: DCI Hill was like, I will see you then when

916
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: the sun's returned, and they make a plan to meet

917
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: the next day. So back to DCI Hill. We went

918
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: down to where the Dodgy art dealer had a summer home.

919
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: In the summerhouse, the painting was downstairs underneath the carpet

920
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: in the kitchen. It was a set of stairs down

921
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: to the basement, and he asked me, did I want

922
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: to get it? And I thought, well, I could do

923
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: without being down there next Christmas. So I told him that,

924
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: and you know that what's called Anglo Saxon vernacular, which

925
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: he understood. So we went down and got the picture,

926
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 2: brought it up and he laid it on the dining

927
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: room table and bang, there it was. It looked like

928
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: it was a masterpiece. It will tell you that it's

929
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 2: a masterpiece. It just jumps out at you. So there

930
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: you go. He found the painting, Elizabeth.

931
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: Here it is.

932
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: And he also did go down to the basement to

933
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: be there till next Christmas, said Anglo Saxophone action. Yeah,

934
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I caught that part. He was getting field dressed,

935
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: get got down there. He wasn't going to be not

936
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 2: just there until next Christmas, the one after.

937
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 3: That Christmas to come, Elizabeth DC I.

938
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: Hill had done it. So at this point he's found

939
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: Norway's stolen national treasure. Good outsourcing by them, and now

940
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: he's got to get it out of the summerhouse with

941
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: both the painting and himself still intact, which somehow he does.

942
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: And I guess he'd earned the art thieves trust. He

943
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 2: signals the cops. They raid the home. Now he's able

944
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 2: to bounce out of the chalet with the stolen masterpiece.

945
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: He high tails it back to his hotel room, where

946
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: he barricades himself in his room until proper authorities come

947
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: to take it. He doesn't even trust the other coups

948
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: for him, right, so he waits in case anybody gets

949
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: to get to any acute idea trying to steal this

950
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: painting bag. Everyone seems a want and it's like a

951
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: really sticky painting. I don't have to tell you, so

952
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: Dcihill does have this to say, and I quote. I

953
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: rang back to Oslo and told him I had it,

954
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 2: and barricaded myself in the hotel. Sure enough, after an

955
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: hour or so, the central detective unit in Oslo turned

956
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 2: up and I unbarricaded the room, and there was the picture.

957
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: Then I walked down actually onto the pier, and I

958
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 2: felt to myself done. It felt it felt good. It's

959
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: exhilarating to get the what you're going for back. I

960
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: can actually recover these things and feel as if I'm

961
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: doing my bit for creation. Wow, doing my bit for creation.

962
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: I love that It took him an hour to respond.

963
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: Total emergency. I'll got there just second. Found finished and

964
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: we got some bake goods over here, really good. Yeah,

965
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: Pal's mom made them cruss. She's been coming by the station.

966
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: So there you go, cop for all creation, protect your

967
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: humanity's most beautiful treasures. Once the scream was recovered, Elizabeth

968
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 2: and the Oslo PD could take a collective breath of relief.

969
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: What happened to Powell Anger? Yeah, what happened to Well,

970
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 2: he was captured by the police obviously during the handover.

971
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: He was arrested. And this is where things get a

972
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 2: little weird, mostly because Norwegian justice is so different than

973
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: our American ideas.

974
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Poal Anger and.

975
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: His accomplices all they all get arrested, they get tried.

976
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: Anger was found guilty, sentenced to six and a half

977
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: years behind bars. All straightforward so far. His accomplices were

978
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: also sentenced, found guilty, sent to prison. Once again, straightforward

979
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: so far, except for they then appealed their judgments and

980
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: were later released. Why were they able to do this? Yeah,

981
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: they cited a rare Norwegian law about how they were

982
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: arrested by a UK cop and not by a Norwegian

983
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: cop and therefore they were not properly handled and gone

984
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: through the Basically it was like a you know, a

985
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: chain of custody issue. Yeah, so that therefore their bus

986
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: didn't follow proper Norwegian law and protocols and they were

987
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: able to get sprung on this. It's all four were

988
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: sprung free except for Powell Anger. He doesn't this somehow

989
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: doesn't apply to him because he gets arrested separately. Somehow,

990
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

991
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: It's annoying everybody.

992
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: That So in nineteen ninety nine, five years into his

993
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: six and a half year bid, pow Ager decides he's

994
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: had enough of prison, so he escapes.

995
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: Oh right, was it five and a half into the

996
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 3: six or.

997
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, he escapes. But Elizabeth, you have to hear how

998
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: he escaped. You worked in a federal prison. I did

999
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: so imagine this next sentence happening in America. According to

1000
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: the BBC and I quote, he did manage to escape

1001
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: while on a field trip, but he was captured twelve

1002
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: days later, wearing a blond wig and dark sunglasses and

1003
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: trying to buy a train ticket to the Danish city

1004
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 2: of Copenhagen. In Norway, apparently they let the prisoners out

1005
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: go on field trips. Trips like to the like glue factories,

1006
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: or like to the flute makers and the I don't know,

1007
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: extuege drum makers. Like it's mister Rogers.

1008
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 3: At the at the federal facility, now, they didn't let

1009
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: anybody walk out of the State one. The state one

1010
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 3: was like horrendous. I'm sure at the Federal one. One

1011
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 3: day I saw an inmate getting into a car, are

1012
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 3: driving off.

1013
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 2: I gotta work for we had to go no.

1014
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: One of someone was explaining to me that, yeah, he

1015
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 3: was working. He would go and like pick someone up

1016
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,959
Speaker 3: and bring them back. Sure, and it's like, but he

1017
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: was trustee.

1018
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: But it was one guy. One guy in like seventeen

1019
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: twenty guys voted in a bus and going to like

1020
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: an amusement park.

1021
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 3: You're going to just let this guy get in the

1022
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 3: car and drive. And they're like, there's so many security

1023
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 3: protocols in place that like he takes one, he changes

1024
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: lanes at the wrong time America.

1025
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going to be marked. And then also the

1026
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 2: prole officers are on them, and then it also becomes

1027
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: just like a fun game for them bust this guy pettings.

1028
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 2: I'm not against this practice. I'd like to be clear.

1029
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: I would want this for our inmates. Yeah, you know, like,

1030
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 2: but it just sounds wild to my American ears, like

1031
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: we got to let them on a bus to go

1032
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: on a field drip. The guys have been good this month.

1033
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 3: They're actually I think we've talked about it before. San

1034
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 3: Quentin is having a full overhaul that they have what's

1035
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 3: called the California model now, which is you know, emphasis

1036
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 3: on you know, abilitation and education and such. But now

1037
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: they're taking like all these other uh Scandinavian influences, and

1038
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 3: that's what they're going to be doing. Like it's going

1039
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: from as a high security to medium security. Their whole

1040
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: thing is how do we make good neighbors for when

1041
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 3: they get out?

1042
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: Oh? I like that.

1043
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't that amazing?

1044
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1045
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 3: So anyway, it's a it's an interesting experiment because right

1046
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 3: now we're just making better criminals.

1047
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: So it's just criminal education. It's like university for Yeah. Anyway,

1048
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: After his wig and sunglasses prison escape attempt failed, pal

1049
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 2: Anger finished his sentence in two thousand. He was subsequently released.

1050
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 2: He was at this point thirty three years old. I

1051
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: remember how I told you up top about the second

1052
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 2: time the screen was stolen by the Norwegian art thieves

1053
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: who ran into the door. Yeah remember how else? Just said?

1054
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: The Oslopedia immediately went to pal Anger and questioned him.

1055
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, they ran into a door, this could be powered.

1056
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 2: It looks like he wasn't involved, and he said this

1057
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: was that was true, but it wasn't the whole story.

1058
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: Well he wasn't involved, he was the inspiration. Oh really,

1059
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 2: so what's the deal with the two thousand and four

1060
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: theft of the screen? Great question, Elizabeth. After the police

1061
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 2: question pal Anger and found out it wasn't him, they

1062
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: had to consider new theory. So someone out there, someone

1063
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: was like, what if it wasn't pal Anger? But what

1064
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 2: if he was the inspiration? What if they were like

1065
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 2: pulling a pal Anger? Amazing? Right, So like Elizabeth in

1066
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: My world, Caps and Criminals, they both talk like the

1067
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: guys from Ocean's eleven, twelve and thirteen, where it's like

1068
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 2: you were you know, you know what I'm talking about,

1069
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 2: Like when Brad Pitt's like off the top of my

1070
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: head and say you're looking at a Bowski, a Jim Brown,

1071
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 2: a Miss Daisy you, Jeff Rows, and a Leon Spinks.

1072
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,439
Speaker 2: Not to mention the world's biggest Ella Fitzgerald. Ever, Yeah,

1073
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: I look this up because I could never figure out

1074
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: that last one, the biggest Ella Fitzgerald Ever, What does

1075
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: he mean when he says that, you know, I couldn't

1076
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: remember this one. You probably couldn't remember. You definitely couldn't

1077
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Speaker 2: remember this when in the seventies there was a series

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Speaker 2: of commercials for the MEMORYX cassette tapes and Ella Fitzgerald

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00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 2: hits a high sea while she's singing and breaks a

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Speaker 2: wine glass.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I've seen clips here.

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00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a historic ad. They used to be

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00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 2: excited all the time. So commercial narrator then says, is

1084
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 2: it live or is it memor x? Right, So that

1085
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: was a reference to the bank fault part of the job,

1086
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: and how spoiler alert they made a mock up of

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00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: the vault rob that recorded and played it back. Aka,

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00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: is it live or is it memorized? Oh? Erld is?

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00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: I thought you'd get back to our starts movies? Are

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00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: I love them? So what happened to the cats in

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00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 2: two thousand and four who also got lucky and walked

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00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 2: away with the scream just like their inspiration pal Anger?

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00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 2: So once the aus of the Police considered new theories,

1094
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: they came up with a winner. What if the two

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00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: thousand and four thieves were doing a poll Anger and

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00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: they were what he was a distraction for other criminals

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00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: to hit jewelry stores in banks because all the cops

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00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: are focused on the scream. Turns out that's exactly what

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00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 2: it was. A gang of street criminals who pow Anger

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00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 2: was loosely affiliated with, decided to go old school and

1101
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 2: give the cops something to investigate that wasn't them. So

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00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: they commissioned some idiot amateurs who weren't pal Anger to

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00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 2: steal the scream and pull a pall Anger so the

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00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: street criminals could operate in peace. They could raid banks

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00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 2: without hassle for months, which is what they did. Meanwhile,

1106
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: the mastermind for the copycat crime slipped out of the country.

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00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: He turns up in Madrid and that's where he, it's believed,

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00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 2: linked up with a notorious Norwegian hash smuggler, a guy

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00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: who could get that sweet. Now, this mastermind exchanged his

1110
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: cut of the bank raids for some of that sweet

1111
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: sweet Afghani hashish and plan to smuggle his way to freedom,

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00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 2: Except for the pair were both busted in a hotel

1113
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: room in Malaga's Spain because I think the Norwegian hash

1114
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 2: smuggler was under surveillance. So they get busted in Andalusia.

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Speaker 3: The Spaniards don't play.

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00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: Do they do not? Dating back to Franco, they do

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00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 2: not play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is the last place you wanted to do

1119
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 3: some smugglings.

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Speaker 2: So once he's in custody, the alleged mastermind of the

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00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: bank raids and the second theft of the Scream confesses

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00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: his involvement. He names the four men he hired to

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00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 2: pull the job. He's like, you can find him here, here,

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00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: and here. Paul Anger gets questioned, taken into custody, and

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00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 2: that's when he gets exonerated for any part in the

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00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: copycat theft, and the paintings were recovered.

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00:52:59,120 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: After that, Anger went the other way with art, Elizabeth.

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00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: Instead of stealing it, he started creating it. Oh, just

1130
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: like your guys, this warm football or street criminal art

1131
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: thief becomes a fine art painter himself.

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00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 3: Wow.

1133
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: He prefers to work in abstract forms. His work is

1134
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: considered reminiscent of Edvard Munsch's use of color and tonality.

1135
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 2: In fact, some folks believe they can see a ghostly

1136
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 2: image of the screen painted into many of Pale Anger's works. Yeah. Anyway,

1137
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: down in the corner of his painting, he signs them

1138
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: p Anger, which, as you recall, is money in Norwegian.

1139
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 2: So he's still that kid in the Stolen Beamer. Wow.

1140
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 2: He refuses to sell his story, by the way, because

1141
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: the UK cat tabloids came calling. Oh sure, one even

1142
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: offered him one hundred thousand pounds to tell his story

1143
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 2: in their pages as an exclusive. Powell Anger thought better

1144
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 2: of it. Yeah, because he didn't want to betray or

1145
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: piss off his underworld associates.

1146
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's like Vladimir Stop.

1147
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,479
Speaker 2: He smart about it. There's the one choice he looked

1148
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: out for him in this one moment.

1149
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1150
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 2: He did also occasionally speak about the burglary that made

1151
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: him Norway's most famous art thief, and he did share

1152
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 2: what it felt like to steal the scream as how

1153
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 2: Anger said, and I quote, this is the coolest painting

1154
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 2: in the world. I just drove around for hours thinking

1155
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 2: about what I should do and what would happen. It

1156
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: was really electric. It was just a great feeling. It

1157
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: was magical. Even though he was fifty three at the

1158
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 2: time of a very late interview, the newly minted fine

1159
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: art painter was still something of a scoff log because

1160
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 2: he was facing nineteen traffic offenses, ranging from stealing a

1161
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 2: taxi sign to driving without a license, so he was

1162
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 2: still kind of about that life. Yeah, for a final

1163
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 2: word from Pile Anger, he once told a Norwegian newspaper

1164
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: that from his life in crime he learned one all

1165
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: important lesson, and I quote, you should not live in

1166
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: movies and get bad role models.

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00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 3: That's a very good right.

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00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: We hear there's a lot on the show about how

1169
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: movies were in inspiration for these kids and we had

1170
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 2: become criminals. And you know whatever, who am I to

1171
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 2: say where we should draw our inspirations. Art imitates life,

1172
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 2: life imitates art, crime imitates movies. All that, right, two

1173
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 2: way street. But if you're going to choose crime movies

1174
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 2: as your rule book for life, yeah, try to pick

1175
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 2: ones where the criminal role models get away with it.

1176
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 2: Yes they're rare, I know, but you can find them.

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00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: Think to Shawshank redemption. So Elizabeth, what's a ridiculous takeaway here?

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I am still casting the film in

1179
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 3: my head. But no, I think that it's curious this

1180
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 3: notion of a big crime to distract from all the

1181
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 3: little crimes. Right, I think that a lot. I think

1182
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 3: I've talked about it before, like my suspicions. When I

1183
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 3: see those big crimes, it's clever. That's very clever.

1184
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: That's the move.

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00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 3: Saren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

1186
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 2: Hmm, let me think about them. I don't have one. Okay, cool, No,

1187
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 2: I'm kidding. I think wig game. We need to get

1188
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: into wigs. We do, we do the shows. We both

1189
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: show up in a wig.

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00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, down, down, So there you go.

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00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 2: That's all I got for you. Producer Deed, you got

1192
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 2: to talk back, because I'm in the mood to wash

1193
00:55:53,280 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: this down with something fropthy.

1194
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 5: I went, Elizabeth, I've been waiting to send something to you.

1195
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 5: This is Vanessa from Texas. I'm gonna send it now.

1196
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 5: It's not what I wanted to send. It's mama, don't

1197
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 5: like your babies grow up to drive cybertrucks. And the

1198
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 5: reason why I didn't want to send that is because

1199
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 5: it could have been better. But you told me Banksy

1200
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 5: might have been a woman. Ah'm freaking out.

1201
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 3: Listen, girl got to First of all, that was perfect,

1202
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 3: It was beautiful, and mama should not let their babies

1203
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 3: grow up to drive cyber trucks.

1204
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: I think William Whalen would both.

1205
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 3: Be on board with that. And yeah, Banksy maybe.

1206
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 5: No.

1207
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 3: You know, my theory is Banksy's everybody.

1208
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: We're all banks By the way, you're Banksy.

1209
00:56:58,440 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks girl.

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00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 2: So there you go. You can find us online Ridiculous

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Speaker 2: Crime on social media's there go. Look, and we have

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Speaker 2: a website, Ridiculous Crime dot com, which is I think

1213
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,479
Speaker 2: now up for Monopoly Role Playing Game of the Year.

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00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 2: Oh really, very rare award, but I'm very excited. Yeah,

1215
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 2: tabletop games.

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00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 3: They get those every ten years.

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00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, and obviously we love your talkback, so please

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00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 2: go to that herd app downloaded record one. Maybe hear

1219
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 2: your voice here, do it. It's fun. Also, emails you

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Speaker 2: like a Ridiculous crime at gmail dot com. Lease start

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Speaker 2: at the email DA producer d. And we also have,

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Speaker 2: by the way, a new YouTube channel which apparently I

1223
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 2: told you that the wrong place last time. Go to

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous Crime Pod.

1225
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, just ridiculous crime Pod. I've said it the wrong way,

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Speaker 3: You've said it the wrong So there you go, Ridiculous

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Speaker 3: Crime Pod. I don't know, I just work here.

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Speaker 2: We're about that pod life, so thanks for listening. We

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Speaker 2: will catch you next. Crime Ridiculous Crime is hosted by

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00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 2: Elizabethutton That's Her and Sarah Burnett That's Me. Produce and

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00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 2: edited by the man who made Screaming famous, Dave Houston,

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00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 2: and starring Annelie's Rugger as Judith. Research is by the

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Speaker 2: inventor of the Edvard Munch multi color mood, ring Marissa Brown.

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Speaker 2: Our theme song is by the house band The Stolen

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Speaker 2: Beamers aka Norway's favorite sinister rock duo Thomas Lee and

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Speaker 2: Guest hair and makeup by Sparkleshock and mister Andre. Executive

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Speaker 2: producers are the men who've made making others famous famous,

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Speaker 2: Ben Boleen and Noel Brown.

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