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Speaker 1: of the Seahawks Insider podcast, John, Am I wrong on that?

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Speaker 1: add one big name guy, I think that helps the

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Speaker 1: depth out just by making everybody around it better. I

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Speaker 1: think you also have to decide what front you're going

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Speaker 1: to play. Yeah, they did change things during the middle

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Speaker 1: of the year, and I'm not saying that they were

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Speaker 1: wrong to change it, but I do think that depends

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Speaker 1: if you're going to play your bare front or if

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Speaker 1: you're going to go back to playing more of a

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Speaker 1: four three style. That makes a difference because first of all,

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Speaker 1: it dictates your personnel, but it also affects those numbers

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Speaker 1: and how are you going to use Jamal Adams? Is

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Speaker 1: he going to be, you know, the guy that's in

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Speaker 1: the box that you're going to send on the safety

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Speaker 1: blitz more often or and kind of take some of

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Speaker 1: the load off of those traditional pass rushers, or do

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Speaker 1: you want everything coming off the front. I think that

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of philosophical and scheme things that need

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Speaker 1: to get decided that go into the conversation about who

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Speaker 1: do you get for sure? And I think those are

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Speaker 1: the conversations the coaching staff needs to have first before

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Speaker 1: you you know, you settle out the schematic and all that,

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Speaker 1: before you make all those decisions, but and go both

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Speaker 1: ways because a man who you're able to get and

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Speaker 1: who you're able to retain that could come back around

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Speaker 1: and change how you do things philosophically. So it's a

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Speaker 1: sort of a chicken in the egg thing. Well, and

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Speaker 1: you tried to pin down Pete on what exactly happens

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Speaker 1: during the postseason and what the process is. I love,

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Speaker 1: we are both laughing. It was a valiant effort and

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Speaker 1: I think a value effort on Pete's part to describe

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Speaker 1: what happens, but I don't know. You guys are going

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Speaker 1: to have to be the judge of this on your own.

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Speaker 1: What the processes is for us to to when we

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Speaker 1: get back going again, is to take all the information

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Speaker 1: that we've accumulated, all of the numbers and the stats

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Speaker 1: and all of the pronouts that we have to tell

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Speaker 1: us all of the background, and we'll go through everything

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Speaker 1: to how much they were able to practice and time

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Speaker 1: missed and all of that reps who they matched up

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Speaker 1: against and all of that stuff to just make individual

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Speaker 1: evaluations on each guy. We really go on both sides

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Speaker 1: of the ball. We'll go watch individual cut ups of

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Speaker 1: each guy as an entire staff so that we can

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Speaker 1: kind of make a collective, you know, evaluation, and we

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Speaker 1: have the presentation of their statistics that support all of that,

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Speaker 1: and we'll try to make a real clear evaluation and

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Speaker 1: where the guy sits, you know at that point, and

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Speaker 1: then of course we compare the other guys that are

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Speaker 1: there and uh and start to put together a whole,

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Speaker 1: you know, a whole program of understanding our guys better

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Speaker 1: than we've ever had. And so that's it's an exhaustive

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Speaker 1: process for us, and we go through it with the antenna,

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Speaker 1: figuring out what we can do to help that guy

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Speaker 1: be better. That was a great answer about how they

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Speaker 1: kind of evaluate players in the offseason, which is useful.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't necessarily what I was trying to ask, and

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Speaker 1: I'll blame myself for asking the question poorly, as what

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Speaker 1: I was trying to get out a little more is

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Speaker 1: sort of I don't think fans always have an understanding

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Speaker 1: what happens between the season ended Sunday and free agency

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Speaker 1: starts in March and the draft is in April, just

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Speaker 1: sort of what the evaluation process of the whole thing

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Speaker 1: from coaches to what we talked about was scheme. So

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Speaker 1: I was getting it a little more of sort of

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Speaker 1: the timeline of how it all looks from them from

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Speaker 1: their standpoint. But hey, we got a cool answer on

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Speaker 1: how they look at players and compare them to players

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Speaker 1: around the league for free agency and all those different things.

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Speaker 1: He said that it is an exhaustive process. To me,

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Speaker 1: I'm listening going that is exhausting, Like how many pages

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Speaker 1: do you think that they are going through of the information.

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Speaker 1: It's like a teacher that finishes up the last day

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Speaker 1: of school and then you find out that you have

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Speaker 1: to grade like dissertations for thirty people or something like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's why you got to have a good and a

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Speaker 1: deep pro personnel staff. It's a little bit of a tangible.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of fans don't understand. They think

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Speaker 1: of scouting as college guys and like, Okay, we watch

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Speaker 1: a lot of college and watch for the draft, But

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Speaker 1: there's a whole separate group of guys who their job

510
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Speaker 1: is to know everybody in the NFL, who's a free agent,

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Speaker 1: who might be a free agent, who's the potential to

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Speaker 1: get cut, to get traded, And then you're comparing them.

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Speaker 1: You're looking at, Okay, if this guy something becomes available,

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Speaker 1: this cornerback, where does he rank against our cornerbacks. So

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Speaker 1: there's a whole separate side of it of the pro

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Speaker 1: personnel guys that are really just keeping an eye on

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Speaker 1: the entire NFL. And this year we're talking about the

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Speaker 1: offseason when we would like to be talking about the postseason. John,

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Speaker 1: we're almost done with this episode, but I do want

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Speaker 1: to point out that of the teams that made the

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Speaker 1: playoffs this year, half are new So half of the

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Speaker 1: teams that were in the playoffs in twenty twenty failed

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Speaker 1: to make the playoffs this year. There are seven teams

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Speaker 1: that are in the playoffs now that didn't make it

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Speaker 1: last year. And if you look at those numbers, the

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Speaker 1: teams that made it this year instead of last year,

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Speaker 1: most of them finished either third or fourth in their division.

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Speaker 1: This is not an accident or an anomaly. When you

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Speaker 1: do that, you play an easier schedule, like things just

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Speaker 1: out differently. So knowing that and knowing the cyclical nature,

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Speaker 1: what's the likelihood you place on Seattle rebounding and having

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Speaker 1: us postpone our final podcast next year by a few weeks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm not a betting person, but if

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Speaker 1: I were, I like the team chance. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: to be back in the postseason. I think they've got

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Speaker 1: stuff to do. They need to improve in certain areas,

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Speaker 1: like we talked about. I think their pass rushing needs

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Speaker 1: to be better. There's areas they need to get deeper.

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Speaker 1: But I think this is even with the flaws they had.

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Speaker 1: If you're healthy at quarterback and the offense continues to

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Speaker 1: kind of develop through that stretch instead of losing Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 1: I think this is probably a team that maybe wins

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Speaker 1: ten or so games. It makes the playoffs, and look,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's still not good enough to get to a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl as it was constructed, but it's a better

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Speaker 1: team that had a positive point differential. The seven ten record,

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Speaker 1: You've got multiple teams with losing point differentials in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: They you know, there's a lot of metrics DVOA. They're

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Speaker 1: the number eight team in the NFL and I know

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Speaker 1: Lost six fans love DVOA because they were the four

551
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Speaker 1: time number one d A team a while back. So

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of good things going on with this team.

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Speaker 1: You know, the one and five record in three point games,

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Speaker 1: you win two or three of those, it's a different story.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think it's nearly as far as a

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Speaker 1: lot of fans do. From this being being back to

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Speaker 1: a playoff team contending for that NCUS title. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: good because I don't like sitting at home on playoff weekends.

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Speaker 1: It's not fun. I will be cheering though, for teams.

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Speaker 1: Last thing before we go. Who are you cheering for

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Speaker 1: to make it to the super Bowl and win, ultimately

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Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl? It's hard, Um, I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's not hard. I'm just gonna throw this out there.

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Speaker 1: I don't get this hard. I might just root for

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Speaker 1: the Raiders for kJ right right, that might be it.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean when I probably will root against all

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Speaker 1: the NFC West teams. I'm petty like that. But beyond that,

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Speaker 1: I don't you know. So, Yeah, it's hard for me

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Speaker 1: to get behind it the NFC. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: I was just about to say, I don't think this

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Speaker 1: is a hard choice. Yes, we're cheering for kJ and

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Speaker 1: the Raiders, and then I'm gonna cheer for Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: I will not be cheering for any NFC team. And

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Speaker 1: maybe it's because I'm petty. I don't know, maybe I'm

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Speaker 1: overly competitive. I will not be cheering for any NFC team.

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Speaker 1: It's just the way it's gonna go. There, you go, Well,

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Speaker 1: you'll know what I'm doing when I'm sitting on the

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Speaker 1: couch with my mimosas for the next couple of weekends,

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Speaker 1: cheering for every AFC team and wishing that we could

580
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Speaker 1: do a weekly podcast again. But John Boyle, how about

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Speaker 1: if we do this around I don't know, the draft, sure,

582
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Speaker 1: like rookie minicamps or something like that. Whenever we want

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Speaker 1: to do it. I'm ready. Perfect probably doesn't realize how

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Speaker 1: much I like to talk or talk about football, but

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Speaker 1: you guys do. And we thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: being with us all season long. We have enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: We will be back with you next time with more

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Speaker 1: Seahawks Insiders podcasts