1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of the Ben Maler 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,199 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weeknight 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: from two to six Eastern eleven pm to three am 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and to find your local 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: station for the Benmatherlers Show at Foxsports Radio dot Com. 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: You can find it there or stream us live every 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: night on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: This is the best of the Ben Maler Show on 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio. 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 3: Let's get things started with college football and my Ducks 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 3: and Dante Moore here in first off, there's. 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: Go time, that's wrongs. 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 3: As I said last night, Oregon has been waiting for 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 3: this moment to redeem themselves after what Ohio State did 15 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 3: to them at the Rules Bowl last year in the 16 00:00:53,479 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: first iteration of the College football twelve team playoff. Embarrassed themselves. 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 3: It was embarrassing for them, It was embarrassing for Dan Lanning. 18 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 3: They got smoked at the Rose Bowl and they were 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 3: the number one overall team in the country. They had 20 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: not lost a game, they had already beaten Ohio State 21 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 3: and last week, well a couple of weeks ago, it 22 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 3: was James Madison who they started off this year's tournament, 23 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 3: the twelve team tournament we have now in college football. Well, 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 3: James Madison wasn't exactly the team they were looking to 25 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: start with to get the revenge Tour underway, but it 26 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,919 Speaker 3: was a good warm up, almost like a scrimmage at times, 27 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 3: as opposed to the like long layoff they had last 28 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 3: year before taking on Ohio State. So my Ducks came 29 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: out in this game today night. They were shot out 30 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 3: of a cannon and Chip Kelly was still the head coach. 31 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 3: With their up tempo offense, the Chain Gang couldn't keep 32 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 3: up with them. At first, it was brilliant against that 33 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 3: aggressive pin your ears back Texas Tech defense use their 34 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: aggressiveness against them and get the all out quick. They 35 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 3: looked unstoppable. It was like the quick quack car wash 36 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 3: Chain And then David Bailey sacked Dante More and they 37 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: had to settle for a field goal. Texas Tech gets 38 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: it back, tries their own up tempo offense and all 39 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: it did for them was lead to a punt quicker. 40 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 3: The Ducks get the ball back, convert a fourth and 41 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: two at midfield to Kenyon Sadiq, and then tried a 42 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: fourth and one play to run it and they got 43 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 3: stopped again by that great Texas Tech defense. Now, Oregon's 44 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 3: defense pretty damn good as well, as a lot of 45 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 3: people found out today. They got Tech to go three 46 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 3: and out, and while Oregon only had three points at 47 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: the end of the first quarter, they ran twenty five place. 48 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: They controlled the clock even with how good Texas Tech's 49 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: defense is. But Oregon's defense is no sloush And on 50 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 3: the second play of the second quarter, true freshman Brandon 51 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 3: Finny gets that first pick. Nobody talking about how good 52 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 3: Oregon's defense is. This was their moment to shine a 53 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 3: little bit. Not Morton's in the quarterback for Texas Tech. 54 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 3: That was just his fifth pick all season long, but 55 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: it was a bad one. Now, Texas Tech in that 56 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 3: front seven, they look like a damn NFL team out there, 57 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 3: like on All Madden Mode, that type of thing. It 58 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: honestly looks like the Red Raiders would beat the Las 59 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 3: Vegas Raiders right now. 60 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 4: The Raiders suck. 61 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 3: No, I'm not, that's disrespectful. It is, But the Las 62 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 3: Vegas Raiders are also trying to lose and tank for 63 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: the number one pick to get Fernando Mendoza. We'll talk 64 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: about him in a little bit. Oregon's best play, honestly, 65 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 3: in the first half was a fake punt, and it 66 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: was a great fake like Meg Ryan's fake in when 67 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 3: Harry met Sally rip Rob Reiner. That fake punt works 68 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: so well. I'm like, hey, why not do that fake 69 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 3: punt thing on first down, second down, third down two? 70 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: That's Oregon's best offense so far. But they get it 71 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: to Tech's two and they're going for it. After all, 72 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: if you're willing to do that at midfield, you can't 73 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 3: not go forward. At the two yard line, David Bailey 74 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: bats down Dante Moore's pass rolling to his right that 75 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: had no chance again. Bo I was especially upset at 76 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 3: this point because my breakfast burrito that I ordered arrived 77 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: at the same time, and I wanted to be celebrating 78 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: the feast with a touchdown, not a turnover on downs 79 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 3: at the goal line. I have to emotionally eat to 80 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 3: handle stressful games like this. Organ eventually gets the ball 81 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: back though, as Finny recovers a fumble by Tech, but 82 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 3: of course they have to settle for a field goal. 83 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 3: They at least didn't try to go forward again. Texas 84 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 3: Tech defense is the best that I have seen. I 85 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: texted my buddy at one point, I can't believe how 86 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: good this d is. 87 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 2: That's not sexual. 88 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 3: Texas Tech defense has organ and Dante Moore completely shook 89 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage in that first half where 90 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 3: he's trying to read their defense pre snap during the 91 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 3: snap too, and instead he's taken the foot ball off 92 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 3: of his face on some of these miscues on shotgun 93 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 3: snaps like it was unbelievable. Texas Tech and that defense, 94 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: I can't say enough about them, but I can talk 95 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 3: about Organs defense too, because the second best defense might 96 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 3: be Organs against Texas Tech's offense. The Ducks are up 97 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 3: six to nothing at the half. Oregon at the ball 98 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 3: for twenty two minutes, Texas Tech just eight minutes. It 99 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 3: took me longer than those eight minutes to eat that 100 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 3: big ass breakfast burrito. I got so out of nowhere 101 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 3: at the half. Third Eye Blind and old ass Stephen 102 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 3: Jenkins is performing. It's not just his third eye, his 103 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 3: mind's eye that's blind anymore, though he's old enough where 104 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if he can see for reels. Love him. 105 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 3: The deep cuts from Third Eye Blind, especially in the 106 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 3: first two albums Elite, They of course played semi Charmed 107 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 3: life though, because it's like their most catchy song, even 108 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: though it's actually about uh, crystal meth. Do you want 109 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 3: to get hot? Yeah, it's you. 110 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 4: You want to cook crystal meth. 111 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 3: This stat is crazier than doing crystal meth. Dan Lanning 112 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 3: is forty one and one when leading at the half, 113 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 3: now forty two in one. The second half starts and 114 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 3: the Red Raiders offense looks like the Las Vegas. 115 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 2: Raiders on the Raiders suck. 116 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was bad. 117 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 3: Mateo ooy Young La Young Concrete they call him. He 118 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 3: rips the ball away from that statue under center for 119 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: Tech and Morton and they have it at the six 120 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 3: and the first offensive play they run, they get their 121 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: first touchdown Jordan Davison. Ducks are up thirteen to nothing. 122 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 3: Here's something though, that had me furious. 123 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 4: Well, now I'm getting very irritated. 124 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 3: Organ gets the ball back and they go for it 125 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 3: on fourth and two at Tech's forty six. Dante Moore 126 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 3: throws a pick to Ben Roberts. Why even go for that? 127 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: You're up two scores, it's thirty to nothing, your defense 128 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 3: is lights out. You can stop them. You can get 129 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: the ball back with a new set of downs. Right 130 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 3: about there, Dan Lanning, what are we doing? 131 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 4: The kids are playing their tail and the countess are 132 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 4: screwing it up. 133 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: We've gotta have some situational awareness time and score and 134 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: field position in big games. Dan Lanning's decision making has 135 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 3: been questioned before by others and even himself. He apologized 136 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: in the first half were not getting more points and 137 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 3: just taking the chip shot field goals. But Tech they 138 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 3: had three first downs in their first drive in the 139 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: third quarter, after having three first downs total in the 140 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 3: first half alone. I had already ordered my victory Sunday 141 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: on door dash. Yes, I followed up the big aspirrito 142 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 3: with the Sunday let me eat. Okay, it's fine, Why. 143 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: Don't you take a taste of the drink? 144 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 4: There? 145 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: That too, you are opening the door, though, I would say, 146 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: Dan Lanning, by making that move, you are opening the 147 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 3: door for the game to flip momentum wise. Luckily, Tech 148 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 3: throws a pick in the end zone on a jump ball, 149 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 3: and Finny has another pick their true freshman at corner, 150 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 3: and that pretty much all but sealed it for Oregon, 151 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 3: as they kicked another field goal that was sixteen to nothing. 152 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: And then they smoked Baron Morton once more before it 153 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 3: was over by a player named Blake Purchase. Somebody tweeted 154 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 3: this out quote. For Texas Tech to end up having 155 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 3: their season ended by a dude named Purchase sacking their 156 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 3: quarterback is peak irony. 157 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 158 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 3: Dan Lanning, by the way, then called a time out, 159 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 3: ran up the score a little bit or maybe I 160 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 3: don't know, was working on his team and not so 161 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 3: much worried about your team. You don't want him to 162 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 3: score again. Stop him. Your defense is pretty damn good, 163 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 3: Texas Tech. You want to try out plays on that 164 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 3: defense maybe and show that you're ready for the next opponent. 165 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: It's a physical football game out there. Like, let me 166 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 3: get this straight. Last week, people were upset with Oregon 167 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 3: or were doubting them because they gave up some scores 168 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 3: late after the game was out of hand against James Madison, 169 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 3: and now they're mad at Oregon for running through the 170 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 3: tape and continuing to play hard up sixteen nothing. Y'all 171 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 3: are just gonna look to criticize anything with them. I 172 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 3: don't understand it. Maybe I'm being overly sensitive. I am 173 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 3: wearing an Oregon Ducks hat, but you know, what Texas 174 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 3: Tech coach Joey McGuire said postgame quote, I hope Dan 175 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 3: Lanning wins the whole damn thing. They didn't seem too 176 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 3: bothered by it, So it looks like me and my 177 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 3: ducks got the last laugh here, mister peepers. It was 178 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 3: so annoying at duck Hunt, that dog laughing at you 179 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 3: every time you missed the ducks out there. All right, 180 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: enough of my ducktails. Time to get to Oregon's next opponent. 181 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 3: And we found out pretty early who would be as 182 00:09:54,160 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 3: the Indiana Hoosers beat down h Hoosiers. The Omama Crimson 183 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 3: tiede lost thirty eight two three at the Rose Bowl 184 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 3: as Fernando Mendoza went fourteen of sixteen passing with three touchdowns. Honestly, 185 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 3: it wasn't even that close. This was complete domination. And 186 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 3: what's crazy about this is Indiana became the first team 187 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 3: in the twelve team playoff with a bye to not 188 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: loseo oh, they won, all right? Indiana was not rusty 189 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: Ohio State, Texas Tech, what's your excuse this season? This 190 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 3: year's second year the twelve team playoff, Indiana had all 191 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: that time off too. What was Oregon's excuse last year, 192 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 3: or Georgia's or Boise States or Arizona States by teams 193 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 3: were zero and six in the twelve team playoff format 194 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 3: in the quarterfinals until Indiana came in and said, f 195 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 3: you're by say bye to eddieone that is playing us. 196 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 3: The first half of that ballgame, they're just so stout 197 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 3: up front. They force you into mistakes and eventually they're 198 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 3: going to capitalize on them. They were balanced on the 199 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: offensive side eighty six yards rushing, ninety three yards passing 200 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 3: for Indiana. Beautiful balance, and they're up seventeen to nothing 201 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 3: in the first half after a slow start because of 202 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 3: Bama mistakes, not converting on a fourth down the Ty 203 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: Simpson fumbled in the first half. They just they wait 204 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: for you to beat yourself, and while you're trying to 205 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 3: get by their defense, good luck. They're going to force 206 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 3: you into those mistakes. Eventually. The thing with them is, 207 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 3: and it's a little bit terrifying because that first game 208 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 3: Oregan played at Austin against Indiana, when everybody realized, oh 209 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: is Indiana Hoosiers are for real? Kurt Signetti is a monster, 210 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 3: a different type of monster. They are a machine out 211 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 3: there with their precision, with their attention to detail, and 212 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 3: just making mistake free football out there. That touchdown to 213 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: Becker from Mendoza a thing of beauty after the Ty 214 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 3: Simpson fumble, and Mendoza in the red zone has been 215 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: well perfect, I guess perfect. Yeah, he hasn't had a 216 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 3: turnover and he was perfect in this game as well. 217 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 3: They come out of the half after being up by 218 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 3: seventeen nothing. Some people are trying to make the example 219 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 3: of oh, you know, this is analogous to what happened 220 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: in the opening round. Bama was down seventeen to nothing 221 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 3: to Oklahoma. This is not Oklahoma, this is Indiana. This 222 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:46,119 Speaker 3: is different. They get a stop, they get the surat touchdown, 223 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: and Bama is down twenty four to nothing. Now you're 224 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: down twenty four to nothing and you're Bama and they 225 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 3: ended up getting into a goal line situation where they 226 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 3: settled for a field goal. That's a little bit soft. 227 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: I would say, you're down twenty four to nothing, you 228 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 3: have to score touchdowns? Are you just trying to put 229 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: some lipstick on this pig and not get totally shut out? 230 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 3: You didn't want to be thirty eight to zero, thirty 231 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 3: eight to three looks so much better out there. I 232 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: cannot stand when coaches do this. And I don't know 233 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 3: what's gonna happen with Kaitlyn Deborr now, but coaches that 234 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 3: will just do enough to try not to lose too 235 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: poorly instead of trying to win the football game. Not 236 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: to channel herm Edwards here or anything, but back to 237 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: Kurt Signetti. The guy scares the hell out of me. 238 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 3: Bobby Knight would have loved him. He's a monster and 239 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 3: he's created one now at Indiana. Kurt Signetti is that 240 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 3: evil movie villain in a sports movie that sucks, but 241 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: it also sucks playing him, Like I've already seen my 242 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 3: Ducks loosed him once at home. Signetti is out there 243 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 3: chasing perfect. They're looking to destroy you, crush your souls 244 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 3: along the way. I think when they showed that stealth 245 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 3: bomber that flew over the stadium at the Rose ball 246 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 3: at the half like he was in it and gave 247 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 3: his players a thumbs up like, Okay, we're up seventeen, 248 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: we can do better. They did went in thirty eight 249 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 3: to three. So I just don't know what they're gonna 250 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: do against this Indiana ball club because they're now proving 251 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 3: it on the big stage. Last season, it was well, 252 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 3: they got bounced early in the playoff, but that was 253 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: just year one with Signetty. I mean, this team won 254 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: three or four games the year before he came to Indiana, 255 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 3: and now they look like one of the blue bloods 256 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 3: all of a sudden. It's incredible. And by the way, 257 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 3: I'm not hearing a damn thing from Notre Dame fans 258 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 3: who are saying, see, Alabama didn't belong, They shouldn't have 259 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: been here, they shouldn't have been in this spot. Look, 260 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 3: Alabama at least won a game in the playoff. They 261 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 3: beat Oklahoma Indiana. I don't know if anybody's beating them. 262 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 3: There's no shame in losing to Signetti and this Indiana team. 263 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. They're trying to go like Ohio State went 264 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 3: last season, just buzzsaw through the playoffs. They're going for 265 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 3: chainsaw their leather face out there. That's how scary this 266 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 3: team is. But Notre Dame, you have no argument. Stop stop. 267 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: I know Bama had three losses, they still had a 268 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 3: much better win against Georgia. What was your best win? 269 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: Your best win was two losses? Close losses to Miami 270 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: and to Texas A and M and then Miami. Well 271 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 3: they've won two games already in the playoffs, including beating 272 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: Texas A and M. 273 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 5: Who beats you. You don't get to talk dead men, 274 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 5: tell no tales. That's how this works. You're out. I 275 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 5: don't want to hear peep for mister peepers. 276 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 3: How's this dog's name? By the way, and duck hunt 277 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 3: or Notre Dame fans right now, I'm sorry. You don't 278 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 3: get a leg to stand on. The argument doesn't hold water. 279 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 3: If you want to say you should have been in 280 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 3: over JMU and Tulane, fine, there's a lot of teams 281 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 3: that should have been in over them by you can 282 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 3: make a case too. The twelve team playoff is still flawed. 283 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 3: But just because now Bama finally lost and you want 284 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 3: to dance on their grave and say we were better 285 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 3: on that team by what metric? Because you had one 286 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 3: less loss. You also didn't play an SEC schedule. You're 287 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 3: still picking and choosing who you want to play every season. 288 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 3: You won't join a conference. Yes, you play the ACC 289 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 3: teams and you lost to the best one you played. 290 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 3: I just I don't understand the Golden domer stuff. It 291 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 3: is infuriating to see how many people will bend the 292 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 3: knee in this whole USC Notre Dame debate, which we 293 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 3: got into a little bit last night as well. It's tired. 294 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. 295 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Mellor 296 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 2: Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific on 297 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 298 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 3: This is Jason McIntyre. 299 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 6: Join me every weekday morning on my podcast, Straight Fire 300 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 6: with Jason McIntyre. 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Does it here in Southern California 311 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 3: where I'm at covering both teams in LA. It's Law 312 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 3: Murray of the Athletic at Law Murray v nu is 313 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 3: where you find him. Yeah, and we even have the 314 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: judge dread drop for you tonight. Law La, thanks for 315 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 3: doing this here on Fox Sports Radio. 316 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 4: Thank you. Man that does done is crazy. 317 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 3: We're like that here, Lorena is at least let's talk 318 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 3: about what happens tonight kind of crazy. The last two 319 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 3: weeks from Kawhi Leonard where everybody's wondering where is this 320 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 3: resurgence coming from? Where he's had three forty point games 321 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 3: over the last ten days, including forty five tonight add 322 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 3: into a dome as they pulled away late to put 323 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: the Utah Jazz away. What are you seeing from Kawhi? 324 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 3: What has changed? What should people know about this Clippers 325 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 3: team nationally? 326 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 4: I'm saying it's supreme level magnet ball, Like he's give 327 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 4: him fourth quarders and he is finding a way to 328 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 4: make shots at a level that he works on, and 329 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 4: that work is never a question with me. The question 330 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 4: is how much do you get it? Both in general 331 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 4: as far as in actually being able to play games 332 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,719 Speaker 4: and play his minutes, and then the quality of it 333 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 4: right like he is shooting more and that is scary. 334 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 4: He's that was my favorite part of what he said 335 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 4: over the weekend, like he's never had to do this before. 336 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 4: He's never been on teams that required him to play 337 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 4: like this for his team to succeed. You know, like 338 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 4: all those San Antonio Spurs teams. We why didn't come 339 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 4: into the NBA being asked to be a bucket? And 340 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 4: even when he got to the point where he wasn't 341 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 4: All Star this it was a Finals MVP before he 342 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 4: was an All Star, right, And like those teams had 343 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 4: future Hall of famers on it that were still capable 344 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 4: in very different ways of charying offense. He came into 345 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 4: the league with Ten Duncans, Tony Parker, monug nobody, those 346 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 4: three dudes very different. Even LaMarcus Audridge was on the 347 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 4: San Antonio Spurs before any of those dudes left the team, right, 348 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 4: Kawhi took the mantles playing the right way. We hear 349 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 4: that term a lot, and it's not that he's not 350 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 4: playing the right way now, but he's playing in a 351 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 4: way that if you want wins, this is how you 352 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 4: get them. And I think it's a huge credit to him. 353 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 4: It's a huge credit to that team that they still 354 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 4: care enough to try and make something of what was 355 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 4: an awful start to their season, and now they've gone 356 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 4: from an F team to a C minus team, and 357 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 4: that should scare people because the rest of the Western 358 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 4: Conference no one's you know, in terms of like the 359 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 4: top six or the top ten. The Clippers are going 360 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 4: to be relevant and as long as they avoid any 361 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 4: more rakes to. 362 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 3: Step on, yeah, injury rakes as well. We know how 363 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 3: it goes with the Clippers. Unfortunately, what about the other 364 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 3: team in Los Angeles where the Lakers I believe have 365 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 3: lost four of their last five and look like one 366 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 3: of the worst defenses in the league over the last month. Now, 367 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: while the Brooklyn Nets have been one of the best, 368 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 3: the Lakers have dropped to bottom three or somewhere in 369 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 3: that range. And a lot of people, of course, it's 370 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 3: low level, it's surface level. They say, well, Lebron's back, 371 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 3: they're not winning anymore. What's the big picture of you 372 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 3: on this Lakers team and Lebron and if he and 373 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 3: Luca doncies because you've been tracking his net rating going 374 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 3: back to last season and just how things have changed 375 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 3: since he's gotten older with Lebron, but can he work 376 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,959 Speaker 3: with Luca and can he still be a winning, impactful 377 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 3: player on this Lakers team. 378 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 4: That's the thing. It's like, you know, you got people 379 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 4: who were super happy to vote for Lebron James as 380 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 4: an MVP candidate. We're an All NBA candidate because they 381 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 4: see what he's doing, they see what he's doing at 382 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 4: the age that he's doing it, and they see the 383 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 4: team that he plays for, and they want to be 384 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 4: attached to that, and you know that's goal. Like Lebron 385 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 4: is still a good basketball player. He's still a great 386 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 4: basketball player. He's still able to make shots, to make 387 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 4: passes and don't call Luke Bournette like Lebron can do 388 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 4: those things. Is it leading to advantages in games? That's 389 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 4: the biggest thing that I looked at last year. I 390 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 4: couldn't say that two years ago when Darvin Ham was 391 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 4: coaching the team. Lebron being on the floor still led 392 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 4: the Lakers to wins as far as you know, outscoring 393 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 4: opponents while he's on the floor, Like that's an objective measure. 394 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 2: You know. 395 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 4: I broke it down every way that I could before Luca. 396 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 4: After Luca got there in the playoffs, like the Lakers 397 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 4: were not a winning team with Lebron on the floor, 398 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 4: but they were when Lebron was off the floor, and 399 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 4: so like, they were not good this time last year. 400 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 4: They were outscored by seventy seven points, even though they 401 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 4: had a record that was four games over five hundred 402 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 4: at this point last year. Them starting fifteen and five 403 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 4: was huge, but it also established where the Lakers were 404 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 4: best as a team, and that was with Luca and 405 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 4: Austin playing off of each other. Those two dudes complement 406 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 4: each other in a way that we are not seeing 407 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 4: the same synergy when it's just Luca and Lebron, and 408 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 4: they have to figure that out because the Lakers are 409 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 4: at their works this season as far as line ups 410 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 4: with Luka Doncic on the floor with one other guy, 411 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 4: They're at their works when it's Luka and Lebron. They're 412 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 4: at their best when it's Luca and Austin. We saw 413 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 4: a version of the Lakers that was really good. And 414 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 4: you can talk about their schedule, you can talk about whatever. 415 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 4: I've seen. The Lakers lose some bad teams and lose 416 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 4: some good teams. Okay, so it's Lebron. We have to 417 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 4: be able to say two things at once. Lebron is 418 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 4: still a good basketball player, Okay, Well, Lebron is not 419 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 4: a player that the Lakers at this time are playing 420 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 4: their best basketball with while he's on the floor. And 421 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 4: if that doesn't change, then the Lakers are going to 422 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 4: continue to slip in the sandwich. 423 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 3: NBA reporter extraordinaiy La Murray from The Athletic is joining 424 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 3: us here. I'm at a Moslin in for big Ben 425 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 3: Maller on Fox Sports Radio at La Murray, the U 426 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 3: was where you find him on x SO law. Why 427 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 3: do I feel like we could be days away from 428 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 3: Giannis Adnakompo trade? It just feels inevitable. He used to 429 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 3: being asked about it. He likes to deflect. He likes 430 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 3: to say I'm here, but that doesn't mean he's going 431 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 3: to be here within the next couple of months. And 432 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 3: they just lost to the Washington Wizards. How do you 433 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 3: see this playing out in Milwaukee right now? 434 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's not the first time that they 435 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 4: lost to the Wizards either, you know, And it's I 436 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 4: don't want to disrespect the Wizards, because the thing about 437 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 4: the Wizards bad team with a bad record, but they 438 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 4: have thrones on that team, and they have they have 439 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 4: guys who if you're not prepared to play as well 440 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 4: as you need to play as if it's of any 441 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 4: average team, then they will beat you and it will 442 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 4: feel embarrassing. And Doc Rivers pointed that out when they 443 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 4: lost on New Year's Eve. Doc said they did not 444 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 4: deserve to win the game. I have another team that 445 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 4: I cover in LA where I've heard the very similar 446 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 4: way of saying things like that, And so I don't 447 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 4: look at Giannis being a guy who gets traded in 448 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 4: the matter of days like this is something where you know, January, 449 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 4: it's going to change lives in the NBA. So how 450 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 4: well the Bucks play is going to have a big 451 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 4: impact on the viability of Giannis staying there. But also 452 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 4: it's not up to Giannis all the time. It's not 453 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 4: even up to the Bucks. Like the Bucks can say 454 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 4: they're open to something, but if the appropriate deal isn't there, 455 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 4: then that's it. You have a bunch of these editors 456 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 4: and visital you know, companies who covered a sport of basketball, 457 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 4: and they're giving you a tap dozen trades they'd like 458 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 4: to see. They'd like to see him because they want 459 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 4: to be GM's. Like, the reality is John Horst has 460 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 4: his job, and his job isn't to trade Giannis. His 461 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 4: job is to find way to have the Bucks be 462 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 4: good and we'll see how January goes in that endeavor. 463 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 3: Well, one of the teams that people have talked about 464 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 3: trying to make a move for you, honest, would be 465 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 3: in Atlanta and they got a guy in Trey Young. Well, 466 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,719 Speaker 3: I don't think would be included in that trade package. 467 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 3: I'm not sure what Milwaukee would want that for. But 468 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 3: it seems like trace days are numbers in the atl 469 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 3: Do you see it like that? Obviously there's a contract 470 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 3: decision coming up. 471 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you what And Adam, I 472 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 4: really appreciate you let me do this while I take 473 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 4: my busser ride home from me good Like. I feel 474 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 4: like when it comes to someone like Trey, he din 475 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 4: had some situation because hardn't played well, he hasn't played well, 476 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 4: he hasn't been available. This team has arguably been better 477 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 4: without him, even though this team is not good enough, Dude, 478 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 4: just say hey, we don't play trade may be good, 479 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 4: and I think that's a scary thing for the Hons. 480 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 4: It's definitely unsettling for Tree Young. I think the best 481 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 4: thing about very Young is the fact that he had 482 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 4: in the player ups, so he doesn't get traded, or 483 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 4: he gets traded to some place he doesn't like. He 484 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 4: controls at least a year of his teacher in terms 485 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 4: of that. But I think the most simple thing with 486 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 4: Tray is more teams would want him if he was 487 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 4: still playing at the level that he should be in 488 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 4: terms of the days of his career that he did. 489 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 4: And that's just not happening. He's he's always been a 490 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 4: guy who is shooting is more dangerous because of his range, 491 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 4: not necessarily because of his efficiency. He's small, so you're 492 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 4: never going to be good defensively with him on the floor. 493 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 4: And now that float that such a weapon for him. 494 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 4: He's not beating guys, he's not scoring like you shoot, 495 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 4: and all these things make it to where he's a 496 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 4: lot closer to the average point guard. If he ran 497 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 4: up all the storry point guards at him. There's story 498 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 4: our closed to average is very young. Instead of a 499 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 4: guy who you know gets into the All Star Game 500 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 4: or someone gets hurt. 501 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not high on my list anymore. A lot 502 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 3: of the advanced numbers say he's getting worse with his 503 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 3: efficiency too, right. 504 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 4: And and that's and that's the thing It's like very 505 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 4: young BA balions Ray has always been some guy who 506 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 4: can three eight offense for himself, for his teammates, and 507 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 4: as the shooting of efficiency has been fined from everywhere 508 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 4: and the turnovers zone necessarily get better, and now he's 509 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 4: a guy there's Atlanta have so many other guys who 510 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 4: can play with small in their games and three offense 511 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 4: well at leasts Stray kind of in a weird spot, 512 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 4: and Flint snyders of uh, there's other guys. They don't 513 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 4: necessarily need him to go. But if he's going to 514 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 4: go forward, you got the balls. He's not versatile fires 515 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 4: and seems have to acknowledged that it may be so 516 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 4: excited for a very young string. Why aren't you giving 517 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 4: up to get your young on your team and then 518 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 4: say that your team is better. That is very difficult 519 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 4: watching the configure right now. 520 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 3: Oh, the show is better when La Murray is on 521 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 3: at La Murray v NU covers the NBA for the 522 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 3: athletic does it here in Southern California. Closely attached to 523 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 3: the Clippers and the Lakers a lot. Thanks for joining me, 524 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me on Fox Sports Radio tonight, My Fred, Thank. 525 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 4: You vam appreciate it. 526 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller 527 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 2: Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific. 528 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 3: I'm at a Mosland in for Big Ben Malor, and 529 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 3: you might know I also work for the Clippers. You 530 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 3: might know I love the NBA and on nights like 531 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 3: this where Kawhi Leonard goes for forty five and has 532 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 3: twenty points in the fourth quarter, and while he's thirty 533 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 3: four years of age, he's had three forty point games 534 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 3: in the last ten days. He's on a crazy heater 535 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 3: like we've never seen before. I gotta talk some NBA 536 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 3: with you, guys, and I even have a Draymond Green 537 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 3: story for next hour we'll get into because I'm getting 538 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 3: sick of him. But I'm sick of all the changes 539 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 3: they continue to make to try to fix problems, imaginary 540 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 3: ones that don't actually exist. Evening Commission, I'm looking at you, 541 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 3: Adam Silver. The NBA is once again trying to curb tanking. 542 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 3: There's too many teams losing now to be fair that 543 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 3: Utah Jazz tonight. I mean they were playing third stringers 544 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 3: and G League guys, and who am I thinking of? 545 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 3: Lloyd Markinen was out, everybody was out. Ace Bailey was out, 546 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 3: Keyantay George was out. If this was Charles Barklay being 547 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 3: asked in that game they play who you play for? 548 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 3: They could do that with me and I can go 549 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 3: pretty deep with NBA rosters and even I don't know 550 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 3: who some of those guys were tonight for the Utah Jazz, 551 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 3: and this whole story of tanking kind of centers around them. 552 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 3: The reasoning by the NBA is, well, the Utah Jazz 553 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 3: got fined multiple times, I think last season for tanking 554 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 3: and they eventually got Ace Bailey out of it. They 555 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 3: had guys sitting out games that were not technically hurt 556 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 3: or they couldn't I don't know, verify it with independent doctors. 557 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 3: John Collins miss half the season marketing it, missing a 558 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 3: ton of games, and they got fined. Danny Aingel's son 559 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 3: is the GM there. He's the president of basketball operations. 560 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 3: They were up to some funny business. They wanted to lose. 561 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 3: They wanted to try to get a top pick in 562 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 3: the draft, and they're not the only team to do this. 563 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 3: But the problem is they already made changes to the 564 00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 3: draft lottery odds. This probably goes back five years now 565 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 3: where they flattened out the odds of the top where 566 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 3: there was a time where if you were the worst 567 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 3: team in the NBA, you had like a twenty five 568 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 3: percent chance of having the number one overall pick. The 569 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 3: odds the odds were pretty good. Now they've flattened them 570 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 3: out a little bit where if you finish top three, 571 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 3: you each have a seventeen percent chance. They're trying to 572 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 3: take away the incentive of tanking. They don't want teams 573 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 3: at the end of the season trying to lose, like 574 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 3: it's that episode of South Park with the Little League 575 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 3: Baseball going on. But here's the problem. What's happened is 576 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 3: some of the worst teams aren't getting top draft picks. 577 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 3: For instance, last season, instead of it being the Washington 578 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 3: Wizards or the Brooklyn Nets or the Utah Jazz, instead 579 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 3: of them owning the top picks, they went to San Antonio, 580 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 3: they went to down Dallas, and people were thinking there's 581 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 3: some conspiracy theory. The NBA was helping out Nico Harrison, 582 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 3: who's now fired because he got Luka Doncic to a 583 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 3: big market with the Lakers, so they gave him the 584 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 3: number one pick. Yeah, I don't think that was the case, 585 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 3: you know how I know that he got fired anyways, 586 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 3: I don't think he was in on anything with the 587 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 3: commissioner with the NBA where he put his reputation on 588 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,239 Speaker 3: the line like that, because he'll forever be known as 589 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 3: one of the biggest dumbasses ever. I'm sorry, but it's true. 590 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 3: Nico Harrison, like you dumb ass what he did with 591 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 3: Luka Doncic, that should have been a fine. Well, the 592 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 3: NBA is finding teams for tanking. That's one of those 593 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 3: trades that you can never live down. But because teams 594 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 3: that were better and weren't tanking ended up with top picks, 595 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 3: and you get Cooper Flag going to a team in 596 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 3: Dallas that actually, if they could ever get healthy, they're 597 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 3: decently set up. Kyrie Irving I think might be back 598 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 3: in the next month off the ACL. We'll see. It 599 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 3: could depend on how they play moving forward and if 600 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 3: they're competitive enough. Anthony Davis, Yeah, he's he's hurt a lot. 601 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 3: Some probably call him what's that name they called mister Glass, 602 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 3: But they're good when he's available. Why are they getting 603 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 3: the top pick? These other teams that were much worse, 604 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 3: that had better odds didn't get top picks. They didn't 605 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 3: get that generational player. They didn't get Dylan Harper like 606 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 3: san Antonio did. San Antonio has had top picks the 607 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 3: last three years, Wemby, Stefan Castle, Dylan Harper, and now 608 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 3: look at him. They beat OKC three times in twelve days. 609 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 3: They look like their next or they're now. But all 610 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 3: these other teams that we're losing intentionally into institutional tanking. 611 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 3: Doesn't mean players out there on the court aren't playing hard. 612 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 3: You just don't put the best players out there, and 613 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 3: that's how you get away with it. But what it 614 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 3: does is the undesired effect by the commissioner is it 615 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 3: makes these teams go, well, we didn't get a top 616 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 3: pick this time, we'll get back in the draft lottery 617 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 3: again and have another year of trusting the process and 618 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 3: tanking because we thought we were going to get a 619 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,959 Speaker 3: top pick. Oh, we didn't get it, so I guess 620 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 3: we'll tak again. That's what happens. That's what's happening with 621 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 3: Brooklyn even though they've been winning lately. That's what's happening 622 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 3: with the Washington Wizards. Those teams didn't end up getting 623 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 3: the picks. They thought they were going to get because 624 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 3: the NBA already flattened the odds, so they have worse 625 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 3: odds of getting them. So it keeps them in take 626 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 3: mode and in the same cycle over and over again. 627 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:06,240 Speaker 3: That's kind of an issue. But the NBA also trying 628 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 3: to fix this. It doesn't make sense. There are some 629 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 3: teams that just aren't good decision makers. They aren't trying 630 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 3: to tank. They just suck because they suck. You can't 631 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 3: confuse every team that sucks with tanking. That's not how 632 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:29,240 Speaker 3: it works. Like the Charlotte Hornets, they don't suck because 633 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 3: they're trying to get a higher draft pick. They suck 634 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 3: because Michael Jordan was in charge for years. They didn't 635 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 3: draft well enough. And LaMelo ball is a circus at 636 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 3: times doing Pete Merovich like stuff out there, and I'm 637 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 3: not sure, as people would say, he even knows what 638 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 3: the score is. Is he winning basketball player or not. 639 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 3: They have young guys who are learning, like Conkin Nipple, 640 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 3: like Brandon Miller. They have to take their lumps intentionally tanking. 641 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:07,280 Speaker 3: That's not what this is. You're trying to solve sports basically, 642 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 3: is what the NBA is saying. We can't have any 643 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 3: bad teams. No, that's sports. That's how it works. Teams 644 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 3: make bad decisions, they have to live with it. If 645 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 3: you try to fix this imaginary problem and try to 646 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:27,839 Speaker 3: make every team competitive, you're likely gonna have some effects 647 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 3: that you didn't see coming where you create something far worse. 648 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 3: The whole idea of tanking is an overblown issue, and 649 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 3: teams are starting to learn, like the Wizards and the 650 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 3: Brooklyn Nets, who have been playing their worst guys to 651 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 3: get a higher draft pick, that it doesn't always work 652 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 3: out that way since they flattened out the odds. So 653 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 3: eventually they might say, well, what's the point of tanking, 654 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 3: doesn't guarantee you the top pick anyways, let this process 655 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 3: play out. They just changed things five years ago. Don't 656 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,359 Speaker 3: try to change anything again. We don't need to take 657 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 3: away teams' abilities to top ten protect picks and all 658 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 3: these things. Because here's the deal. The Utah Jazz this season, 659 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 3: a team that was already fined for tanking last year, Well, 660 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 3: they have a first round pick that is top eight protected. 661 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 3: It has to finish top eight for them to hold 662 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 3: on to that pick, otherwise it goes to the Oklahoma 663 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 3: City thunder. That's a problem, so they're incentivized to lose 664 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 3: to hold on to that pick, and maybe that's some 665 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 3: of what we saw tonight with why they played so 666 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 3: few guys, legitimate NBA players against the Clippers. The league 667 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 3: doesn't like that, especially in early January. They don't want 668 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 3: teams tanking this early. And I'm not saying that's necessarily 669 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 3: what Utah was doing, but they got busted last season. 670 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 3: The NBA wants to stop it from happening again, but 671 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 3: they could create something far worse if they're not careful.