1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 2: I'm Ryan Mink here with Garrett Downing and it is 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: mock draft season. Garrett, we're about a month away from 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 2: the first round of the twenty twenty five draft, so 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 2: we're going to take the deep dive into some of 6 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: the experts mock drafts that have recently come out and 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: give you our take on those. 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: Do we think they're on the right. 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: Track or the experts obviously and picking this, so, you know, 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: what do we think of those? Do we think that, 11 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 2: do we agree with them, do we hate them? 12 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: What? Do you you know? 13 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, break it all down, I think, just to kind 14 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 3: of set the table for this conversation. I do think 15 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 3: that around this time of the year you start to 16 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 3: see a little bit of consensus and coming out of 17 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 3: going into the combine, it's all over the place. You 18 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 3: have these mocks that are vastly different. Then the combine 19 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 3: happens and everybody's talking and everyone's in the same places 20 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 3: and they're having these conversations. You also get to see 21 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: everybody competing on a on a level playing field, and 22 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 3: then so there starts to come up with some consent. 23 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: And they get to talk to front offices, Yeah, and 24 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: figure out you get a little tidbits of information here 25 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: and there, some of the insiders too. 26 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: But the one thing that I will say coming out 27 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 3: of the combine it happens every year, is after that week, 28 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: you have fifty guys who everyone says our first round 29 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: picks because you have players who blow up the combine 30 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 3: and everybody has these guys who are rising up the board, 31 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 3: and so I think that there's like a little bit 32 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 3: of a boomerang effect that takes place in the mock drafts. 33 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 3: Immediately after the combine, certain guys start flying up. And 34 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: then when you see the mocks that come out at 35 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 3: this time between now and the draft, some guys who 36 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 3: flew up after the combine and then start to work 37 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: their way back down, and then you maybe have a 38 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 3: more realistic picture of what draft night is going to 39 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: look like. Of course, there's so much uncertainty, but that's 40 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: like generally how I see the mock draft process unfolding. 41 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 3: And it's just fun to see all the conversation. Right now, 42 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 3: I'll start with this. 43 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: Daniel Jeremiah of the NFL Network tweeted this last week. 44 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: He said, mock drafts are always an exercise in futility, 45 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: but this year it's more challenging than ever before. Interesting, 46 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: it's going to make the real draft a fun watch 47 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: because we don't have any idea how these teams are 48 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: going to stack so many similar players. And that's kind 49 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: of what we've heard all along is okay, you know 50 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: between after pick ten, there's really not much difference between 51 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: pick eleven and pick forty, you know, And so thus 52 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: I think that you're going to have a lot of 53 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: different big boards. They're just going to be ranked differently. 54 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: So it's it is interesting to hear somebody that's has 55 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: dialed in, perhaps as anybody Daniel Jeremiah say, ah, I 56 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: have no idea. 57 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that is an interesting perspective because 58 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: I've seen in recent years, and Eric Takasa has talked 59 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: about this at times after drafts that like the board, 60 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 3: our board seem to match the league's board, that like 61 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: there seems to be a little bit more consensus around 62 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: boars in the league as a whole. And why is that? 63 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 3: Probably a little bit of just how the drafts have 64 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 3: become bigger and bigger teams are investing more resources into it. 65 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: The analytics that go behind it. All those reasons have 66 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: led to teams I think having more similar boards and 67 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 3: maybe this year it bucks the trend. 68 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're gonna see We'll start with Daniel Jeremias 69 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: mock draft that he is pretty different from some of 70 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: the other ones that you're seeing out here. So just 71 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: going from the top, you know, no big surprises at 72 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: the beginning, and he does have cam Ward as the 73 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: consensus topic. And then he has s Tradur Sanders to 74 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: the New York Giants at three. 75 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: Right. 76 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: Then you keep scrolling down and I see Jehad Campbell, 77 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: the Alabama linebacker who some people have linked to the Ravens, 78 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: going at pick number nine overall. So you know, he's 79 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: somebody that we've talked about. Is there any way that 80 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: the Ravens could take the Alabama inside linebacker best player 81 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: available if you were to get to twenty seven. 82 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 3: That was I was the final drive yesterday on that topic. 83 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: Exactly, and Daniel Jeremiah thinks there's no way that's happening. 84 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: He's got him at number nine. And you keep going. 85 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: Here's John A. Barron, the cornerback from Texas at eleven, right, 86 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: and we're gonna get to this later, but a couple 87 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 2: of prominent punnets have him to the Ravens at twenty seven. 88 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 2: Daniel Jeremiah has him been eleven, right, so he's off 89 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 2: the board now. Pick number thirteen here is Georgia safety 90 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: Malachi Starks, who I've already made it clear. 91 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: I played my flag. 92 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: That's where it's at until I remove my flag and 93 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 2: then playing it somewhere else. But Malachi Starks, that's the 94 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: guy who right now, if you're asking me, I think 95 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: that would be my Ravens mock draft pick. Daniel Jeremiah 96 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: has him going to thirteenth overall to the Miami Dolphins, 97 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: right so, and he's saying, the further that we get 98 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 2: into the evaluation process, the more teams I find that 99 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: are in love with Starks' game. He says he'd be 100 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 2: a plug and play replacement for Jovon Holland you left 101 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: Miami in free agency. So three interesting picks off the 102 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: top of guys who we've talked a lot about at 103 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: twenty seven potentially, and they're going in the top fifteen. 104 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. The other thing too, that I'll make a point, 105 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 3: we're doing the long build up before we unveiled Jeremiah's 106 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: pick here in this most recent model, Well, you got 107 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: a tease, but he actually has the Ravens passing on 108 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 3: Shamar Stewart And going back to the point that I made, 109 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 3: how there's a boomerang effect that happens with these mock drafts. Man, 110 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: everybody had him going to the top fifteen after his 111 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: combine performance when he really lit it up and was 112 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 3: one of the most gifted athletic players to step on 113 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 3: the field in Indianapolis, and everybody's saying, man, this guy 114 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 3: is going to be tough to pass up in the 115 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 3: first half of the first round, and he actually has 116 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 3: him going all the way at thirty two going to 117 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 3: the Eagles, which would be classic if the Eagles were 118 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 3: to somehow end up with another great player on their 119 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 3: defensive front. But it's just interesting that he has the 120 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 3: Ravens passing on him who actually going into the combine, 121 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 3: that's who we had the Ravens taking at twenty seven. 122 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: So all that said, yeah, that's very interesting. 123 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 3: That would be very interesting if he were to make 124 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 3: it all the way to the end of the first round, 125 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: but he has the Ravens taking a defensive tackle Derek 126 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: Harmon out of Oregon. He says, Harmon's ultra distroptive. He 127 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 3: plays with outstanding effort and a motor that would be 128 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 3: appreciated in Baltimore. Last time the Ravens took an Oregon 129 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 3: defensive tackle in the first round, You remember who that was? 130 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, loading Na, that one worked out pretty well. 131 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: Took him a little earlier than pick twenty seven, but 132 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: worked out pretty darn well. And I actually it's funny 133 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: that you mentioned that, because I was like, how big 134 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: is Derek Carmon versus Helodi? 135 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: Nada? And very similar? 136 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 2: From a hype perspective, Harmon is considerably lighter than Helodi. 137 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: But you know, I would like that pick to be honest. 138 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: Everybody's talked all off season about how do you get 139 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: the Eagles defense? How do you get so disruptive on front? Well, 140 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: big part of that was the defensive tackles that they 141 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: drafted in the first round, right, And you talk about 142 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 2: disruption and pass rushing. We talked to Zach Orr about this, 143 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: and I think too often it gets confused or conflated 144 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 2: with edge rushers. The Eagles, sure they had talented edge 145 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 2: rushers were it was the defensive tackles that made the 146 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: biggest difference in my eye. Yeah, and so you put 147 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: Derek Harmon in there alongside nom the mattab Gay, with 148 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: Travis Jones, Brodercks Washington, some of these guys who you 149 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: are loaded loaded up front in the on the defensive line, 150 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: and that working in tandem with the edge rushers of 151 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: a Da FAOA Kyle van Noy and those guys, they 152 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 2: could make the Ravens defensive front really dangerous. 153 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 3: I thought it was pretty interesting to hear Zach talk 154 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 3: about that, and we had him on the podcast last 155 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 3: week if you want to go back and listen to 156 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 3: that or watch that, had some great insight just overall 157 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 3: on the defense going into this year. But at that 158 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: point he may definitely resonated with me. And in this 159 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 3: right up and talking about Harmon comes from lance'serline. He 160 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: says he's unlikely to be a primary sack man, but 161 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,239 Speaker 3: he can be part of a swarm unit that batters 162 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: the pocket. That sounds a lot like what Zach was 163 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 3: talking about in the conversation that we had with him. 164 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 3: And Yeah, I do think that Derek Harmon like he 165 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 3: he could fit that that mold of what the Ravens 166 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: are looking for. On their defensive front. 167 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: I mean, do you think that he can he can 168 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: get after the quarterback too. He's a disruptive defensive tackle. 169 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: This isn't a block eater. This is a guy that 170 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: will shoot some gaffes. I mean last year at Oregon 171 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: he had five sacks. He had eleven tackles for loss, 172 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: So he was in the backfield a fair amount, yep. 173 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: And so it's it's he's a disruptive player. 174 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 3: He is disruptive. He's not a guy that you're gonna 175 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: get double digit sacks from. No, he had in his 176 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: in his career, he had eight and a half sacks 177 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 3: over three seasons between Michigan State and Oregon. So like, 178 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 3: he's not a guy that you're expecting to put up 179 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 3: Nomini Matabique sack production. But that's okay, that's not the 180 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: only that's not the only thing that comes down to 181 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 3: defensive tackle play. 182 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: Well, let's keep in mind, No, Mattabik never had more 183 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: than five and a half sacks in a season at Texas. 184 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 3: And m Yeah. 185 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: Fair, he came out, yes, right, and he's a third 186 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: round pick and now look how he developed. I'm not 187 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: saying they're the same player. I think they're built a 188 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 2: little bit differently. You know, you have two different bottle styles, 189 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: two different plays styles. But can he become that kind 190 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: of disruptive force. I wouldn't rule it out. 191 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: Uh huh. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets 192 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: that type of sack production specifically. But I think he's 193 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 3: a really good player, and I think the Ravens if 194 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: that's the Ravens ended up taking in the first round, 195 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 3: I think that it would be it would be a 196 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: good pick. I think that he'd be a guy that 197 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 3: you feel like, Okay, our defense just got better. That's 198 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 3: an area that you're looking to add. You're probably getting 199 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 3: some value there because defensive tackle, especially one that's not 200 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 3: putting up monster sack numbers, is probably not going as 201 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 3: high as other positions. So like you probably are getting 202 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 3: a player at twenty seven who's I don't know, top 203 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 3: twenty on your board if the Ravens were to take 204 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 3: him at that spot, and so you're probably getting more 205 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 3: value there, which I think is part of what the 206 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 3: Ravens are always looking for in the draft. So for 207 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 3: all those reasons, I think it makes sense. The reason 208 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: that I question it and I wonder is is it 209 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 3: comes down to the positional value thing, and defensive tackle 210 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 3: as a whole is really important. But the Ravens already 211 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 3: have about a BK who they've invested big money in. 212 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 3: They have Travis Jones, so they really like his development. 213 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 3: Would you take a guy in the first round who 214 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 3: is basically your your third guy in that rotation? 215 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: Well, you play a three to four defense primarily put 216 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 2: those three guys out there and on the defensive line 217 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: you're rotating. 218 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: So you're rotating so much. 219 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 2: I think Derek Harmon would get a lot of snaps 220 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: even as a rookie. And you've lost Michael Pierce, Brent 221 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: Urban still a free agent, so you have a need 222 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: there and you roll out those three guys a lot 223 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: on a consistent basis, and you can wreck shot. 224 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 3: I'm just the Ravens haven't drafted in the first two 225 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: rounds a defensive lineman under Eric DaCosta. I believe right 226 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: if I'm going in the first they've done it in 227 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 3: the third round a couple of times. About a BK 228 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 3: Travis Jones are two of the guys on that list. 229 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 3: They haven't done it, and so that's what that's what 230 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 3: makes me say I would be surprised just because they 231 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: haven't done it. 232 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: But it's kind of due, right. 233 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: They haven taken They've only taken one defensive tackle on 234 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: the first two days in the past four drafts. Travis 235 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: shows in the third round, So they're due for an 236 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 2: investment at defensive tackle. 237 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 3: You're gonna take one, huh, They're going to take somebody. 238 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: They're definitely. It's how high you're saying that, I just 239 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: invested high resources. 240 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 3: That makes me the fact that they haven't invested first 241 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 3: or second round picks in that position. 242 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, but look at what we were saying at center 243 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: before they drafted tyle Leernmbholm. They never spend a center 244 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 2: they you know, that's just not how they will operate. Yeah, 245 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 2: then they use the first round pick on the center. 246 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. Fair, fair, And so maybe that's the case. I 247 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 3: think that like they want to they they're going to 248 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 3: want to invest there. It is considered to be a 249 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 3: pretty deep defensive line draft, which also mays. 250 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they wait. 251 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 2: I think also with Harmon, Mattabique was that athletic freak 252 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 2: when he was coming out. Harmon is a big, versatile, 253 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: really good player. I don't know that he has a 254 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: single athletic trait that makes you a wow. Yeah, he's 255 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: not a traitsy kind of guy, and we Eric Decasta 256 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 2: has shown his penchant for he wants high upside. How 257 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: what's the upside of Derek Carmon. I think that the 258 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: floor of Derek Carmon is probably very high. I think 259 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: he's going to be a very good player. Does he 260 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: have the upside that Eric DeCosta is looking for for 261 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: a first round pick at defensive tackle? 262 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 3: I don't know all good questions, but I do think 263 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: if that's who the Ravens ended up taking, you come 264 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 3: out of the draft field like the defense just got better. 265 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, like this the defense. 266 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 3: This is a player who's going to make a difference 267 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 3: on the defense as a rookie. And so if that's 268 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 3: the way that the Ravens go, I think you feel 269 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 3: pretty good about it. 270 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: Just you noted that Daniel Jeremiah had the Ravens passing 271 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 2: on Shamar Stewart and just as a reminder, he was 272 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: the player who really did not have much production sack 273 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: production at Texas A and M at all over his career, 274 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: but tested off the charts of the combine well. Daniel 275 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: Jeremiah also had the Ravens passing on Georgia edge Mikel Williams, 276 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: who is a player again, phenomenal athlete, dealt with injuries 277 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 2: hampered his production last year, and Daniel Jeremiah has him 278 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: going to twenty eight to the Detroit Lions. So two 279 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: of the top edge rushers. Jeremiah has the Ravens passing on. 280 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: And by the way, Michael Williams, I mean very high 281 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 2: in other drafts. I mean, here's the Athletics draft eleven overall, right, 282 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: and so for whatever reason, you know, I think Daniel 283 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: Jeremiah maybe does not think another draft from Athletic. The 284 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: Athletics beat reporters and each for each team, and he 285 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: has them at number eight overall to the Carolina Pantas. 286 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 3: So like some some drafts have him as top ten, 287 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 3: top ten. And that's kind of the point that what 288 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 3: we're talking about with the draft. And he said it, 289 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 3: but he was trying to get out in front of 290 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 3: this draft, this mock. He's saying, Look, everybody's got different 291 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 3: opinions on this thing. So you're gonna see things all 292 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 3: across exactly on the prediction. 293 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: We're gonna think I'm crazy with some of these I'm putting. 294 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 3: This out in advance. I just want everybody to know this, 295 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 3: and he could very well be right. He usually is 296 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 3: in terms of like the consensus around the league and 297 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 3: the consensus. Maybe that there is no consensus this year. 298 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, very interesting. All right, So moving on to 299 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 2: mel kiper Junior's mock draft. Of course, we got to 300 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: talk about mel and we won't draw it out as 301 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 2: long as this time. At number twenty seven, he has 302 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: the Ravens selecting safety Malachi Starks from Georgia. 303 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, my guy, which I think that would be a 304 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 3: great pick. I came out way. I came away from 305 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 3: the Combine feeling like if the Ravens were able to 306 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 3: land Malachi Starks out of Georgia or Nick even Worry 307 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 3: Safety out of South Carolina, both really talented, versatile players 308 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 3: who seem like they'd be per fits in this defense, 309 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 3: I think that would be a home run. Either of 310 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 3: those guys would be home run picks for the Ravens. 311 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: It does seem like even Worry is in that category 312 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 3: of player who really helped his stock at the Combine, 313 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 3: and I'm not seeing him around at twenty seven and 314 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 3: many mock drafts anymore. And Starks is kind of a 315 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 3: mixed bag. I don't see him getting past twenty seven 316 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 3: in the mocks that I've been looking at, and a 317 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 3: lot of them have him going before the Ravens are 318 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 3: on the board. Speak in part because of what jeremiahs 319 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 3: about out in his that the more people you talk to, 320 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 3: the more everybody loves this guy's game. Just a really 321 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: sound player. So if he's there, I honestly think if 322 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 3: either of those guys are there, you probably just take 323 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: them and you feel really good about where your defense 324 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: is on the whole. 325 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like Malachi Starks. 326 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: I think he's a very good pick, a very good 327 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: fit for what the Ravens are looking for in their defense. 328 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 2: He's to me, between he and Nick Emm and worry, 329 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: Malachi Starks is the better compliment to Kyle Hamilton. He's 330 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: more of a center fielder, true free safety type player. 331 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: And look, there's making no bones about it. The Ravens 332 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: want to get more takeaways on defense. You look at 333 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: the playoff loss in Buffalo, and you look at playoff 334 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: losses in years prior takeaways. They want more takeaways and 335 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: Malki Starks has the hands, the ability, the range, to 336 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: do that. Plus he's very versatile. He can play and 337 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: he can play in the slot. He can play just 338 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: about everywhere in your secondary. Yeah, and you know a 339 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: player who had six career interceptions. I think that Malachi 340 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 2: Starks is a very good fit at a position of 341 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: need because, as we've talked about so much, the Ravens 342 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 2: are down to veteran safeties that they had midway through 343 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: last year. You know, Marcus Williams is being released. They 344 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: already parted ways with Jackson, Eddie Jackson, thank you, and 345 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: so they are looking for another safety at least one 346 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: to add to this mix. 347 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, and I agree with you in terms 348 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 3: of Malachi Starks being the right fit. The thing that's 349 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 3: interesting I kind of felt. 350 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: Like you did. 351 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 3: I mean, this guy's he's more of that center fielder, 352 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: more in the Marcus Williams mold of like being that 353 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 3: free safety, ball hawking center fielder, and he has that ability. 354 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 3: But he is like when you talk to him, every 355 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 3: other word out of his mouth about his game is versatility, versatility, versatility. 356 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 3: I can play in the slot, I can play deep, 357 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 3: I can come up and hit, I can defend the run. 358 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: I can cover a tight end, I can cover receiver 359 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 3: like I can do any of those things. And so, 360 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 3: and I don't think he's just blown the smoke just 361 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 3: to say that because he thinks that's what teams want 362 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: to hear. I think that he really believes and has 363 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 3: done it. 364 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 2: Like he's not all over in Georgia's defense, he's all 365 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 2: over the place. 366 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: He finished more as in that center fielder role he. 367 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: Did, but he moved all over the place during his 368 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: college career. And so I think that the Ravens could 369 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 3: take him and they could put him back and just 370 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 3: say cover the back end of the field well, or 371 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 3: they could just continue to be versatile with him. 372 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 2: And definitely and Ard Areas, Yeah, definitely, they're still going 373 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 2: to move their pieces around. 374 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: But I think that he. 375 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 2: Generally speaking, would play more of that deeper safety role. 376 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 2: That's what he projects to I think more. 377 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: But he can also, yeah, he can. 378 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: Versatility is a word that every team, some more than 379 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 2: others value. The Ravens are one of those teams that 380 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 2: value that a lot. 381 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 3: Yep, So two max two defensive players, what's mock number 382 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 3: three are sticking on the defensive side of the ball here, We're. 383 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 2: Gonna stick on the defensive side of the ball, and 384 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 2: this one comes from the athletics Dane Breuler, another Trust's source, 385 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: and he has the Ravens taking cornerback John A. Barn 386 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 2: out of Texas, and this actually matches their beat writer's 387 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 2: mock draft pick in which each reporter covering the team 388 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: makes their selection, and Jeff's the reback of the athletic 389 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 2: friend of lounge. He also took John Ay Barron out 390 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 2: of Texas, and you talk about another versatile defensive back. 391 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 2: Baron is to a lot of draft knicks. They project 392 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 2: him best as a slot corner and could become a 393 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: premier slot corner, which hey, that fits the Ravens, you 394 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 2: know they have They can certainly play Marlon humph Humphrey 395 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: outside as well as of course Nate Wiggins is a 396 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 2: boundary corner, so he would fit. Really you want versatility, 397 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 2: and I think John ay and can play outside as well. 398 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 3: He had he had eight interceptions over the course of 399 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 3: the last three seasons, So you get a ball hawk 400 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 3: here in terms of that like prototypical size, like you're 401 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 3: talking about he's five eleven one nine five, so he 402 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 3: doesn't have like the outside but he's not He's not 403 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 3: like a super small guy. You know, he's he doesn't 404 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 3: have like the prototype size that you love in an 405 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 3: outside corner, but he can hold his own. I don't 406 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 3: think he's like super undersized, So I don't want to 407 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 3: overstate the size thing on him. 408 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, five eleven. It's not a deal breaker for a 409 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: corner at all. 410 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't think so at all. So five years 411 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 3: in college, I think that, like there's a lot of 412 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 3: there's a lot of talk here about the Ravens drafting 413 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 3: in this space outside corner, inside corner, safety, someone in 414 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 3: the secondary, and like, if it's Barren, I think that 415 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 3: would be a fine pick. You get a guy who 416 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: can be a really productive player. You also mentioned Ballhawk again. 417 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: Five interceptions, five interceptions last year, eight over the course 418 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 2: of the last three so he can get He has 419 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: good instincts once the ball is in the air, he 420 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 2: kind of attacks it like a wide receiver. 421 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 3: So I think for all those reasons, he could be 422 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 3: a really good fit. And like if you when you're 423 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 3: drafting where the Ravens typically draft, and you're hitting a 424 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 3: home run, a lot of times it's because a player 425 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 3: falls for some reason or another. You don't teams don't 426 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 3: know exactly how he projects. Is he an inside corner, 427 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 3: is he an outside corner? What's his natural position? All 428 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 3: those things often end or it's not a position that's 429 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 3: a premier position, like a traditional outside corner or an 430 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 3: edge rusher or a receiver. So for those reasons you 431 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 3: can you're looking for value. And so if if Baron 432 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 3: falls down the board because teams aren't sure if he's 433 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 3: an inside corner or an outside corner, and he may 434 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 3: not have the prototypical size of what you want, but 435 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 3: he's super productive as a ballhawk and has really good 436 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 3: cover skills. 437 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: Very very good testing numbers at the company. He ran 438 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: a four to three nine. 439 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 3: It's like super fast, great tape is good. Great when 440 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 3: their productive in college. Okay, that's great, then sign me up. 441 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 442 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: He's drawing a lot of comparisons to Trent McDuffie and 443 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 2: who has been a really good first round pick by 444 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs. Versatile slot corner, can cover tight ends. 445 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: John A. Barron could be that type of player in Baltimore. 446 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 3: Another one who kind of it's not the exact same 447 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 3: like just from a standpoint of what's his position. Cooper 448 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 3: Degen last year from Iowa, who of course ended up 449 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 3: going to the Eagles, got an interception in the Super Bowl. 450 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 3: Like there's there's a little more safety. The question there 451 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 3: was safety corner, what's his position there? But like just 452 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 3: from a how does he project conversation, I think that 453 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 3: there's like similarities when you have that talk about guys 454 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 3: like McDuffie or dejeane and Baron as well. 455 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I think an interesting team to watch 456 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 2: when we're having all these conversations about who the Ravens 457 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 2: could pick and somebody in the secretary and a safety. 458 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 2: You know, we were talking about male Kai Starks the Philadelphia Eagles. 459 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 2: You always have to keep an eye on the Eagles 460 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 2: because they are looking for safety. They just traded their 461 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 2: top safety and if there's somebody that could come up 462 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: and come get a Malachi Starks has have the Eagles 463 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 2: drafted anybody from Georgia on the Georgia defense recently, Yeah, 464 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 2: that'd be one I watch well. 465 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 3: They also don't forget a few years ago in the 466 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 3: Kyle Hamilton Draft, the Eagles traded in front of the Ravens. 467 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 3: They ended up taking from Georgia Jordan Davis, who a 468 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 3: lot of people had mocked to the Ravens a big 469 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 3: defensive tackle. Uh, they ended up taking him right before 470 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 3: the Ravens and the Ravens got Hamilton. Of course that 471 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 3: worked out, really worked out for both sides, to be honest. 472 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 3: But so they there's been a lot on draft weekend. 473 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 3: There's a lot of connections between the Ravens and the 474 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: Eagles exactly what marks drafts draft and so there's a 475 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 3: lot of connections there between those two teams, and that 476 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 3: wouldn surprise me. The other team actually that I think 477 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 3: is one to watch when it comes to this corner conversation, 478 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 3: it is Seattle. They're drafting ahead of the Ravens, pretty 479 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 3: well ahead of the Ravens that they're at eighteen. And 480 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 3: so some of these guys like Will Howard out of 481 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 3: Michigan and he's probably long gone most likely. But like, 482 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 3: if there's somebody who starts sliding down the board who 483 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 3: you're hoping like, okay, could they could they fall? Seattle's 484 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 3: a team there that could kind of be a could 485 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 3: be that the end the end of the fall for 486 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 3: so any of these guys. So you're hoping end up 487 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 3: making it to the Ravens in the secondary. 488 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 2: Two players I look at for Seattle, Jehad Campbell, the linebacker. 489 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 2: I think Mike McDonald likes a versatile He can play 490 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 2: on the edge, he play inside, he can do a 491 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 2: lot of things, or the moving piece like him. You're 492 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 2: talking about versatile defenders. That's what Mike McDonald's wants in 493 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: his defense. I look at Jehad Campbell and Nick em 494 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 2: and worry. 495 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, so those are like that Seattle's. 496 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 2: I mean, Amory is the closest thing you're gonna get 497 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: to Kyle Hamilton in this year's draft certainly. Yeah, big bodied, 498 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: big dude who can play down in the box, you 499 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 2: can go deep. 500 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that like that's a team that I'm 501 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 3: definitely gonna be watching closely because of Mike in the 502 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 3: way that he wants to build his defense. So that 503 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 3: will be a team to watch on draft night. So 504 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 3: let's take a quick break. When we come back, we're 505 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 3: going to talk about another mock draft and the possibility 506 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 3: of the Ravens pulling off surprise in the first round. 507 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 3: You're listening to the Launch podcast. We are coming to 508 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 3: you from the Sea Geek Studio. We also want to 509 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 3: mention our partners at Draft King Sports book. They are 510 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 3: an official sports betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens Draft 511 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 3: King sports book. The Crown is yours. So one other 512 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 3: mock draft that I want to mention, and this is 513 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 3: going to lead off to an interesting conversation, but is 514 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 3: the is Todd McShay. In his most recent mock draft. 515 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 3: Tod mcshaye, a long time worked at ESPN, now works 516 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 3: at The Ringer. He has the Ravens taking Tterea McMillan 517 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 3: wide receiver out of Arizona at twenty seven overall. He's 518 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 3: six four two and twenty pounds, so he's the big 519 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 3: bodied wide receiver that I know Ravens fans have talked 520 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 3: about for a while. The range is on him from 521 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 3: a draft standpoint are all over the place. In McShay 522 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 3: obviously has him going at the end of the first round. 523 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 3: I've seen others where he's up close to the top ten. 524 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 3: So what do you think of the possibility of the 525 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 3: Ravens going with McMillan in the first round. 526 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: I don't see it. 527 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 2: Obviously, there's not an immediate need, especially after draft or 528 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 2: signing DeAndre Hopkins. 529 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: A comparable player. 530 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: You're talking about a big bodied fifty to fifty guy 531 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 2: who's going to go up and make this catch those catches. 532 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: That's obviously DeAndre Hopkins. Now, of course, DeAndre Hopkins is 533 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 2: on a one year deal, so this is really a 534 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 2: best player available future outlook. But you just re sign 535 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 2: Rashad Bateman to a contract extension last offseason. You have 536 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 2: Zay Flowers, who's entering his third season and hopefully we'll 537 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: be around here for a long time. That would be 538 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 2: an embarrassment of Riches a wide receiver. Yeah, and you 539 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: can never put it past the Ravens to just go 540 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 2: with best player available. 541 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: But I don't see that one. 542 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, as much as the Ravens have invested in wide 543 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: receiver under Aericon Costa and they've taken multiple swings at 544 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 3: that position, I mean, this could be like taking a 545 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 3: swing with a three to zero count, which like sometimes 546 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 3: works and you knock it out of the park. But 547 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 3: it just seems like they have the players at that spot. 548 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 2: And so twenty twenty five and beyond, it's not just 549 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 2: sometimes it's all right, let's look at twenty twenty six, 550 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: what's this roster gonna look like? 551 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: Then? Okay, you still have save Flowers and Shaw Bateman. 552 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that would that would surprise me. And so 553 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 3: I'm not like completely rolling out. 554 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna make it that far. 555 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean everybody's sliding him down the board because 556 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: he ran a four four eight forty yard dashes pro day. 557 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 2: It's not it's not Garrett Downing slow. We're not in 558 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 2: the four nines, right, you know, I mean, okay, so 559 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: it would have been the twenty fifth fastest time of 560 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 2: the combine, all right for like being projected as a 561 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 2: top wide receiver. Not exactly what you want to see, 562 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 2: but we're splitting hairs here. 563 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: Four to eight Yeah, not that bad. 564 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 3: And he's a big receiver, so like his game is 565 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 3: not just speed, he's also to go up and win 566 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 3: those jump balls. 567 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 2: I have a hard time seeing him sliding that far 568 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 2: the top wide receiver in the draft till twenty seven. 569 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be surprising, very surprising. So that one 570 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 3: and just in general, him him removed from the conversation. 571 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 3: You and I both are of the belief that taking 572 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 3: a first round receiver would that would that would be 573 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 3: the jaw dropping moment for you on draft night. 574 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely, yeah, Joel would hit the floor. 575 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that the Ravens are going 576 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: to go defense in the first round. 577 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: That that's my prediction. 578 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that's how I feel as well. Uh. 579 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 3: The other one that we haven't hit at all in 580 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 3: these mocks is offensive line and whether they could end 581 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 3: up taking an offensive lineman. Now, of course they resigned 582 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 3: Ronnie Stanley. If you're really good about Roger Rosegarden, it 583 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 3: would be a guard, it would be a guard. Taylor 584 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 3: book Booker out of Alabama, And when I did Final 585 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 3: Drive yesterday, I talked about Tyler Booker and jahad Ward 586 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 3: both as like the guy who ends up following that 587 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 3: the Ravens end up getting, who's a plug and play starter, 588 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 3: really good player, who you're like, man, how did he 589 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 3: fall well? Just because John Campbell plays off ball linebacker 590 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 3: not as valued, Tyler Booker plays guard, not as valued, 591 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 3: primarily left guard. But like, he's a dude who's just 592 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 3: a dominant run blocker who could fit right in perfectly 593 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 3: on this offensive line. 594 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 2: I just saw a mock draft from Pro Football Focus 595 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: in which they predicted Tyler Booker as well, and so 596 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 2: I wouldn't rule it out. I think the Ravens really 597 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 2: like Andrew Vorhees. I think he has great potential. He 598 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: won the starting job out of training camp last year. 599 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 2: But I'm also not going to sit here and I 600 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: don't think Andrew Vorhees even he would say he's in 601 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: a position where, oh yeah, my starting job is locked up, 602 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: I don't have to worry about it going into the summer. 603 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 2: Like he very much needs to win that job that 604 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: he is not enough, you know, Zave Flowers position here 605 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: where you can pencil put him in the ink as 606 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 2: the starter. So could the Ravens say, hey, we're going 607 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: to take a big swing and you know what else, 608 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 2: the Eagles had a really good group of offensive line. 609 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 2: They could certainly go get Tyler Booker and say we're 610 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 2: going to have a big, physical, nasty O line and 611 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 2: we're gonna get after you. 612 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I don't I think that approach could certainly 613 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 3: work for the same reason that we talked about on 614 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 3: the defensive side of the ball. How the Ravens haven't 615 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 3: like they took Tyler Linnerbaum in the first round. When's 616 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 3: the last time they took a guard? 617 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: Was it? 618 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 3: Ben Grubbs exactly see this. 619 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to counter my earlier argument, but Their track 620 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: record at guard has been middle rounds draft and developed. 621 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: Keep that pipeline well stocked and keep developing these guys. 622 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: I have a hard doubt well and it's worked out well. 623 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 2: I have a hard time seeing them investing a first 624 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: round pick at guard. 625 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what makes it. I'm with you. I would 626 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 3: be surprising to see them do that. They also already 627 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 3: have like some significant investment along the offensive line. Lennardbaum 628 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 3: was the first round pick. They're also gonna have to 629 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 3: pay him. They just paid Rodnie Stanley. They used a 630 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 3: second round pick on Roger Rose Garden at right guard. 631 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 3: Of course was a third round pick, and so he 632 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 3: fits that category of what we're talking about, like the 633 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 3: mid round draft and develop. 634 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: He was a tackle, really he was. 635 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but but he was a developmental mid round 636 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 3: pick who now of course ends up being a starting guard. 637 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: Ben Bradison was a fourth round pick be turned in 638 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: to a starter. 639 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 3: Ben Betterson, Ben Powers, Ben Cleveland was a third round pick. 640 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 3: There is there a Ben in this draft. Look for 641 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 3: a big then the third round, third fourth round Ben 642 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 3: at guard? Who can we pick pencil in? 643 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, to your earlier point, BEng Groves, yes, was the 644 00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: last one. It's gonna have to be together my Ravens 645 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: seven round. I'm telling you, I'm looking for a bed. 646 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 3: We both ought we're gonna both end up taking a 647 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 3: band in the mid as a guard this year. So yeah, 648 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 3: so that one, that one would surprise me as well. 649 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 3: I'm with you. 650 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, now the Turfs, I don't know if 651 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: you know this. 652 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 3: Now you're wearing your Maryland show. 653 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: I'm wearing my Maryland polo here. 654 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 2: And I thought of a fun This got me thinking 655 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 2: they're big win Derrek Queen the buzzer beater to make 656 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 2: it to the six sweet sixteen. It got me thinking 657 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 2: about Ravens walkoffs, and so we put together a little 658 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: list of walk off touchdowns the Ravens have had in 659 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 2: franchise history. Okay, one was the Tylan Wallace hunt return 660 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 2: against the Rams. Okay, another was Marquise Brown with the 661 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 2: touchdown against the Colts, the huge comeback win. Mark Andrews 662 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 2: scored multiple times in that comeback as well the twenty 663 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 2: twenty one comeback Mark East Brown five yards out. And 664 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 2: then there was also Josh Wilson against the Texans, the 665 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: pick six against Matt Schab had a pension for throwing 666 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 2: a few of those in twenty ten pick six against 667 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: the Texans to beat them. 668 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: I remember that one. That was pretty cool. And then 669 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: the other one was. 670 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 2: The Will the Thrill Hill, Yeah, the kick six in Cleveland. 671 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 2: So those are the four walk off touchdowns the Ravens 672 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 2: have scored in franchise history. Okay, there's a bunch of also, 673 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 2: like interceptions CJ. Mosley against brown stuff like that, right, 674 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 2: but these are touchdowns, yeah, Okay, which how do you 675 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: rank those? 676 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: Well? 677 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 3: My number one would be Tyland Wallace and that really yeah, 678 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 3: and I was torn. The ones that jumped out to 679 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 3: me were the tailand Wallace touchdown against against the Rams, 680 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 3: and then the. 681 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: Will Hill kick six, kick six. 682 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 3: That's what I loved about the the kick six play 683 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 3: in Cleveland was like the Browns were setting up to 684 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 3: win that gamebevable, and so you're thinking like, man, this 685 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 3: is a tough, tough l here. Uh, just disappointing to 686 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 3: lose this game. And so the range of emotions there 687 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 3: where you're basically thinking like, oh, this is going to 688 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 3: be a tough flight home to just jubilation. That was 689 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 3: that was awesome. But Tylan Wallace that one against the 690 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 3: Rams where I gave it an edge, like it was 691 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 3: awesome that it happened down the Ravens sideline at home, 692 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 3: like there was something epic about that play. And then 693 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 3: it was like having it happen at Mt. Bak Stadium 694 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 3: takes it to another level, Like the excitement of it 695 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 3: is so much greater than watching the disappointment, like I 696 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 3: was in I was in the stadium for both and 697 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 3: in Cleveland, it was like silent except for the raven. 698 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: Sideline, which is that's kind of fun too. 699 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 3: It's kind of fun. It is fun. It was fun. 700 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 3: I was having a great time when that happened, but 701 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 3: having it happened in Baltimore just took it to another level. 702 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 3: So it so that's and then and then for me, 703 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 3: like the Marquise Brown touchdown that Colts game, like that 704 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 3: game was so back, well it was. 705 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: It was a nineteen point comeback in the second half. 706 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 3: The Colts were up big and also at home, and 707 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 3: then the Ravens came roaring back. But that was like 708 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 3: a long comeback. They had to race this long comeback 709 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 3: where you had lots of big moments within that where 710 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 3: like the Tiland wallh you think about that game. You 711 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 3: think about those jerseys and just like that tailand palm return, 712 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 3: that's just. 713 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 2: What stand that was. That was a comeback too. It 714 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 2: is Lamar's touchdown to Za Flowers. It was very late 715 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 2: in that game to even get it to overtime, so 716 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 2: that was I agree. 717 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: I'll put Thailand number one. Okay, I'm gonna put the 718 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: kick six at number two. 719 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 3: We're aligned, We're going the same I think we're gonna 720 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 3: go with the same way. 721 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 2: I will say though, the kick six was awesome. Also, 722 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 2: Brent Herban, I think it was his first game coming back. 723 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 2: He had been injured. Yeh, all you know when he 724 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 2: first came into the league and had just bad luck, and. 725 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: Then he got the block. He blocked the field. 726 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 2: Goal, and Will Hill of all people scooping that thing 727 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 2: up and just you're like, he's is he actually going 728 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 2: to make it all the way? 729 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? It was just that one was. 730 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 2: Incredible, I'll tell you. But I you make a good 731 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 2: point with it being at M and T Bank. You 732 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 2: talk about the Colts game and then the Tyler Wallace 733 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 2: walk off, two of the best home games in Raven's history. Yeah, 734 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 2: those were both game regular season especially. Yeah, and then 735 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 2: you talk about the snow game against the Vikings. 736 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 1: But epic games. 737 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, those were epic, no doubt. The funny, real quick, 738 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 3: funny story about Brent Urban and that game he was 739 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 3: coming back and I think it was this tricep or 740 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 3: bicep that he'd hurt. So you had the big brace 741 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 3: on his arm and. 742 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,439 Speaker 1: The bionic Yeah. 743 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 3: The question to him, like after the game was like, 744 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 3: did you hit with your arm that has basically kept 745 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 3: you sideline for the last year. 746 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: He is like, yeah, it was that arm. It was 747 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: that arm. 748 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 3: And then you look at the video and it wasn't 749 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 3: like he blacked out, like he had no idea what 750 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 3: was happening. He was kind of like we were talking about. 751 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 3: Was zach Orr when he tried to celebrate with our 752 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 3: Darius Washington and ended up on the turf. It was 753 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 3: the same thing with Urban where you asked him like 754 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,280 Speaker 3: what are hands? I don't even know, man. 755 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: Don't let the facts get in the way of a 756 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: good story. 757 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 3: Exactly. Was like the magical repaired arm. That was the 758 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 3: That's why they taught it Owen journals. 759 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,320 Speaker 1: Hey, you have you cannot dog on the terms today, 760 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: my friend. 761 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 2: Okay, I am just living it up Derek Queen talking 762 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 2: about epic moments. 763 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: Well done. 764 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 3: Shout out to Derek Queen for the epic he had 765 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 3: the epic game winning shot and then the epic quote 766 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 3: after the game when they asked him about, uh, you know, 767 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 3: just where you get your confidence from? He said, I 768 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 3: think I'm from Baltimore. 769 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,399 Speaker 1: So I'm from Baltimore. That's why. 770 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a pretty great quote, great moment. So 771 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 3: congrats at the terps. 772 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: Yep got it, got them going all the way. 773 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. I hope you're right. 774 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 2: Got to beat the Gators next. Anyway, thank you for listening. 775 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 2: As always, you can email us at the Lounge at 776 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 2: Ravens dot NFL dot 777 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: Net and we will be back with you later this week.