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Speaker 2: Today's guest, Bobby Burke, has dedicated his life to the

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Speaker 2: stands up against one of the biggest killers of our time.

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Speaker 1: So lean in. I'm glad you're here. Hey, everybody, I'm

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Speaker 1: here today with Bobby Burke. Anybody call you Robert?

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Speaker 3: No, well they try, but Bobby is actually my legal name.

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Speaker 4: It is that's Robert.

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Speaker 3: I am from Texas, so my name is Bobby James,

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Speaker 4: So it's always funny to me when I'll get a.

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Speaker 3: Legal document sent over to me and they've just assumed

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Speaker 4: No, that's not my name.

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Speaker 1: So it was never you were never Robert.

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Speaker 3: I was kind of like, I'll get an email where

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it goes back to what we were

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Speaker 1: And I know you're must take up a lot of

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Speaker 3: So I still have a full time design firm. So

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Speaker 3: But if you start with your joke drawer, everybody's got

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Speaker 3: only thing we kept was closed. I was like, I'm

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Speaker 3: just going to purge and then I completely start over.

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Speaker 4: I took everything we.

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Speaker 3: Had in the house, I donated it and like we're

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Speaker 3: gonna we're gonna start fresh.

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Speaker 1: That's great, that's great. So you'd mentioned that on the

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Speaker 1: on the site, it's overall like wellness, like what other

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Speaker 1: what other things are you uh do you do? I

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Speaker 1: mean you're you're like into food and exercise and what

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Speaker 1: meditation or any of those kinds of things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we have a lot of articles on

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Speaker 3: exercising and health and recipes for for food and you know,

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Speaker 3: we do a lot of recipes around.

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Speaker 4: The holidays to help you out with that.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, the theme is kind of like, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's your life, design it well and that's you know,

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Speaker 3: not just your interiors.

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Speaker 4: It's it's everything that has to do with your life.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh. That's great. And what's the book do you have?

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Speaker 1: You have a book that you wrote.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so I have a book called Right at Home.

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Speaker 3: It's called How Good Design Is Good for the Mind,

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Speaker 3: and it's all about figuring out.

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Speaker 4: How to design your space.

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Speaker 3: So it's all about empowering you to design your space

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Speaker 3: because a lot of interior design books are an interior

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Speaker 3: designer's perspective on what is beautiful, what looks good, this

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Speaker 3: is the things you should choose for your home. My

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Speaker 3: book is all about helping you figure out what makes

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Speaker 3: you happy, because I feel the things that you should

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Speaker 3: put in your home are things that make you happy

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Speaker 3: because your home is like your foe charger. It needs

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Speaker 3: to be the thing that recharges you every night. And

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Speaker 3: if you're just filling your house full of things that

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Speaker 3: some designer told you were pretty, because that's what's on trend,

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Speaker 3: really things that.

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Speaker 4: Are you're passionate about.

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Speaker 3: Right, So it talks about, you know, figuring out the

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Speaker 3: things that make you happy.

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Speaker 4: Is going through your.

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Speaker 3: Closet, figuring out like, Okay, what are the colors I

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Speaker 3: see in my closet, what are the textures I see

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Speaker 3: in my closet?

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Speaker 4: These are the things I'm loving in fashion.

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Speaker 3: These are probably going to be some things I should

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Speaker 3: infuse in my decor. You know, what's your favorite food,

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Speaker 3: what's your dream vacation, what's your favorite television show? Like,

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Speaker 3: think this checklist of things that make you happy? Those

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Speaker 3: are the things you should start thinking about of how

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Speaker 3: you should design your home because again, those are the

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Speaker 3: things that are going to make you happy to look

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Speaker 3: at every day.

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Speaker 1: Sure that makes a lot of sense. I have to

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Speaker 1: ask you because now correct me if I'm wrong. I

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Speaker 1: didn't see it. But were you on the mask singer?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah I was. I was on the back.

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Speaker 1: I have to know what that experience is like, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it just it's such a wild idea.

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Speaker 4: It's insane.

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Speaker 3: So I made the assumption incorrectly that there is no

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Speaker 3: way in hell somebody is actually singing in those costumes.

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Speaker 3: Like I assumed I would have to sing, but I

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Speaker 3: thought I would pre record it because I'm like, those

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Speaker 3: costumes are heavy, they're massive, you know.

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Speaker 4: But I was wrong.

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Speaker 3: So I had to sing inside this costume. And I

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Speaker 3: remember my very first episode, I almost passed out from

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Speaker 3: heat exhaustion because I run really hot and inside of

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Speaker 3: there was so hot.

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Speaker 1: In that claustrophobook. I think I would get very close

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Speaker 1: to Yes, I played an astronaut one time and I

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Speaker 1: had to put the The first time, I had to

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Speaker 1: put the spacesuit on it and then and then clamp

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Speaker 1: the helmet down and stop. I was like, whoa this

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Speaker 1: is I don't know if I could do this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's literally what that was like a big astronaut

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Speaker 3: helmet that that caterpillar costume and I had. It was

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Speaker 3: the tallest, largest and heaviest costume they had ever done.

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Speaker 3: So by episode two, I had to make me a

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Speaker 3: vest that I could pack with ice, and so I

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Speaker 3: wore an ice packed vest to.

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Speaker 1: So there's a good a good mic.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's as a.

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Speaker 1: Good headset and a good headset to hear. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: you can hear, you can hear yourself and then there's

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Speaker 1: like track you're singing to track is yeah, oh my god.

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Speaker 4: It was quite the experience.

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Speaker 1: It was. Were you a singer?

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Speaker 3: I mean, were you I've always I've always been a singer.

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Speaker 4: That was actually my dream was to be a singer.

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Speaker 4: It just wasn't in my cards.

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Speaker 3: I keep thinking about pursuing a little more. Like I've

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Speaker 3: done a few songs. I did a song last year

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Speaker 3: with a big Brazilian artist, Rebecca, So I have some

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Speaker 3: music out on Spotify. I just don't know if I'm

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Speaker 3: in the point of my life where I want to

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Speaker 3: start another new career. Yeah, come on, man, like you

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Speaker 3: you're going your go, You're touring like your joy. The

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Speaker 3: thought of touring is just not not something that I'm

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Speaker 3: I would.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't, I don't want it.

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Speaker 1: Is it the going from place to place or or yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just.

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Speaker 3: The last six years, you know, when we have with

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Speaker 3: filmed Queer, we've had to move to wherever we are

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Speaker 3: and it's six month filming so for the last six.

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Speaker 4: Years, I haven't really been home.

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Speaker 3: So the thought of like going out on the road

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Speaker 3: and going on tour and not being home just right

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Speaker 3: now is not in my cards. Maybe in a few

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Speaker 3: years I'll be like, hey, I'm ready to do it.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've thought about I'm kind of in the

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Speaker 3: beginning places phases of maybe recording a Christmas album for

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Speaker 3: next year.

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Speaker 4: Hmm, So yeah, I might dabble in it and see

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Speaker 4: how I like it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, singing's always been a huge pagine.

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Speaker 1: You're here today and the organization is Stand Up for Cancer,

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Speaker 1: and I want to bring in Julian Adams, who is

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Speaker 1: the CEO for Stand Up to Cancer. Julian, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you Kevin for having Bobby and me

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Speaker 5: on the show.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys know each other? Now?

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Speaker 4: This is the first time we've met.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've worked with their organization for years, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is the first time I've got to meet Julian.

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Speaker 1: And Julian, I think you're new to the gig, right I.

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Speaker 5: Am two weeks?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so that is why we haven't met that.

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Speaker 5: But I joined last summer as the chief science Officer,

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Speaker 5: and I'm here to talk about why cancer research is

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Speaker 5: so important.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I really want to hear about that. Well, first off,

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Speaker 1: let me just ask you, Bobby, how did you get

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Speaker 1: involved with Stand Up to Cancer?

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Speaker 3: So, my father, who just passed from cancer in August,

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Speaker 3: has battled four different types of cancer over the last

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Speaker 3: ten years. So when I became a person who had

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Speaker 3: a platform over the last few years with Queer Eye,

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Speaker 3: I knew I wanted to work with an organization that

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Speaker 3: was very close to the situation that my family was

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Speaker 3: going through, and so I asked my team to go

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Speaker 3: out there and find me an organization that I could help.

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Speaker 3: And that's when I got introduced to Stand Up to Cancer.

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Speaker 1: Well, great, great, And how about you Julian, how did

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Speaker 1: you end up working for Stand Up to Cancer?

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Speaker 5: It's a long story. I am minded myself to science,

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Speaker 5: even as an undergraduate uh in college. I did my

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Speaker 5: PhD at mi T in chemistry, and I knew at

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Speaker 5: the very beginning, from the very beginning, I was interested

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Speaker 5: in medicine, but didn't go to medical school. I just

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Speaker 5: devoted myself to doing biomedical research.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's fat I just want to understand this. So

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Speaker 1: when you were you were undergraduate, you didn't want to

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Speaker 1: be a doctor, but you did want to do medical

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Speaker 1: research exactly. That's that's really fascinating. I mean, that seems

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Speaker 1: like a pretty unusual path.

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Speaker 5: It was. I considered going to medical school, but as

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Speaker 5: I whimsically say, I didn't want it to interfere with

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Speaker 5: my education.

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Speaker 3: Having having having went through medical school myself and I

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Speaker 3: say I went through medical school because I went through

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Speaker 3: medical school, because my husband went to medical school and residency,

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Speaker 3: I can understand it. It has a tendency to interfere with

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Speaker 3: other things.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to work on big problems and really solve

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Speaker 5: h you know, fundamental issues that are you know, taking

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Speaker 5: our lives. And obviously I went into industry I went

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Speaker 5: into the pharmaceutical and biotech industry uh for over forty years.

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Speaker 5: My first drug was for HIV. I witnessed HIV when

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Speaker 5: I was a grad student emerging in the early eighties,

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Speaker 5: and then found myself working in HIV research and developed

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Speaker 5: the first one of the first drugs for the for

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Speaker 5: the treatment of HIV AIDS. And then I migrated to

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Speaker 5: cancer because I was following some some basic research and

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Speaker 5: was working on some some laboratory work that eventually drew

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Speaker 5: me into cancer and I spent, you know, over thirty

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Speaker 5: five years of my life involved in cancer research, developing drugs, discovering, developing,

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Speaker 5: and you know, doing the whole gamut. I joined Stand

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Speaker 5: Up to Cancer about fifteen years ago on the scientific

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Speaker 5: Advisory Committee, which was chaired by Nobel Laureate Phil Sharp,

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Speaker 5: and so you can imagine the interviews I had to

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Speaker 5: get to get to this place, and I got a

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Speaker 5: drug approved for bone marrow transplantation. Last year, decided to retire,

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Speaker 5: but being on Stand Up to Cancer's Advisory Committee, I

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Speaker 5: went to Sherry Lancy, our chair of the organization, and said, look,

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Speaker 5: I have more time on my hands. I'm retired. She says, well,

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Speaker 5: come to be our Chief sides officer.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 5: And six months later I'm the CEO and so I'm

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Speaker 5: running the show.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing. Well, I want to get into where

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Speaker 1: I want to get into where we're at and also

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Speaker 1: what specifically stand up to cancer does. My question for you,

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Speaker 1: Julian is so I people ask me, you know, and

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Speaker 1: they often asked this of famous people, what led you

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Speaker 1: to what you do? And you know, it was pretty simple.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just wanted to be famous, and I

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Speaker 1: wanted people look at me, and I wanted to make

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Speaker 1: a lot of money and get girls. That was It

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Speaker 1: was very simple kind of thing. I later kind of

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Speaker 1: learned to understand that there was an art to it

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Speaker 1: and that there was a thing and it became something

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Speaker 1: that I was passionate for. But the driving instinct or

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Speaker 1: motivation wasn't that. But I'm curious with you because obviously

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Speaker 1: it wasn't to become famous or or make money or

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Speaker 1: get Girls's the what's the thing do you think that

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Speaker 1: makes you be interested in, you know, research in medicine,

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Speaker 1: in making sick people well, like, is there something that's

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Speaker 1: outside of the nuts and bolts of it personally that

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Speaker 1: is was drove you.

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Speaker 5: Initially again, as a kid, I read the story of

661
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Speaker 5: Thomas Edison in the third grade, literally and it just

662
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Speaker 5: fascinated me. I just wanted to invent stuff. I didn't

663
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Speaker 5: know what I wanted to invent. I didn't know, you know,

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Speaker 5: I wasn't going to be you know, a movie projector

665
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Speaker 5: it wasn't going to be whatever Thomas Edison did. And

666
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Speaker 5: I just got fascinated with health and science and biomedical

667
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Speaker 5: applications to improving people's lives. I mean, what is it

668
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Speaker 5: What do we have if we don't have our health?

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Speaker 5: You know, there's no amount of money or you know,

670
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Speaker 5: toys or things you can have if you don't have

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Speaker 5: your health. And cancer is the second biggest killer. One

672
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Speaker 5: point nine million people succumb to this disease in twenty

673
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Speaker 5: twenty three. And cancer is not one disease, as you know,

674
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Speaker 5: it's hundreds of diseases. So it just become a complete

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Speaker 5: passion of mine. As I got more in to it,

676
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Speaker 5: It's just you kept drawing in, drawn in and drawn in,

677
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Speaker 5: and you know, it defines me. Now I'm a cancer researcher.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty hard to find somebody that hasn't been touched

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Speaker 1: by cancer. In some kind of way.

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Speaker 5: You're exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's uh, if nothing else by

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, having a little scare

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Speaker 1: or whatever. But what is it? What what is the

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Speaker 1: Is there anything news wise as a as an expert

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Speaker 1: on this that you can share with us in terms

686
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Speaker 1: of research or or or you know, any any good

687
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Speaker 1: news on the horizon. We're always looking for good news.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's tons of good news coming. Let me start

689
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Speaker 5: with a little history lasting okay in belged me sure,

690
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Speaker 5: last century, twentieth century, it's chema. It's taken toxic chemotherapy,

691
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Speaker 5: cocktails of chemotherapy, and you try to kill the cancer

692
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Speaker 5: before the chemo kills you. And the twenty first century

693
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Speaker 5: has been an explosion of research. We solve the human

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Speaker 5: geno at the turn of the century, and all of

695
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Speaker 5: a sudden, all these technologies, all these abilities to understand

696
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Speaker 5: how DNA works, how cancer emerges, how does it develop

697
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Speaker 5: in the first place, we have all of these remarkable discoveries.

698
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Speaker 5: Hundreds several hundred new medicines have been approved just in

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Speaker 5: the last twenty twenty four years, you know, And I've

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Speaker 5: been part of that. I've been part of that the

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Speaker 5: whole time, and I just you know, it just keeps

702
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Speaker 5: drawing me even further in and I'm even more committed.

703
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Speaker 5: So as I said, I tried to retire, but I

704
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Speaker 5: could just became impossible. And then Stand It to Cancer

705
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Speaker 5: is sort of like the perfect landing spot for me,

706
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Speaker 5: because a we treat all cancers. Cancer doesn't really know

707
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Speaker 5: any borders. Cancer does know what age you are, it

708
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Speaker 5: doesn't discriminate, and the community of science is just an

709
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Speaker 5: international community and just trying to solve this nefarious disease

710
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Speaker 5: that catches people too early off guard and really doesn't

711
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Speaker 5: just disrupt one life, it disrupts the entire family. And

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Speaker 5: listen to Boppy story, just breaks my heart to lose

713
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Speaker 5: your dad, to lose a loved one. It's just what's worse.

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Speaker 1: Stand Up to Cancer is primarily focused on research, Is

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Speaker 1: that correct?

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Speaker 5: Yes, We have raised money in the neighborhood of about

717
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Speaker 5: eight hundred million dollars since our fifteen year existence to

718
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Speaker 5: fund the best science across the globe. We seek out

719
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Speaker 5: some of the more difficult problems, and no cancer is spared.

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Speaker 5: We look at the rarest cancers all the way to

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Speaker 5: the most common cancer like lung cans. So we do

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Speaker 5: everything that we can so long to advance knowledge to

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Speaker 5: advanced research into advanced medicines for patients.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you something, Julian, this is actually

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Speaker 1: uh kind of brings up an interesting question and and

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Speaker 1: and actually, Bobby, I'd like you to kind of weigh

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Speaker 1: in on this too. You're talking a lot about, uh,

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Speaker 1: these incredible medicines and this incredible research that that we've

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Speaker 1: done in terms of finding out about uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned the human genome and et cetera. How do

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Speaker 1: how much does the research point to lifestyle in terms

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Speaker 1: of trying to remain cancer free? And I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know I think about this because Bobby's experience with his father.

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Speaker 1: I think, I don't know, if I don't want to

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Speaker 1: put words in your mouth, but might have had an

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Speaker 1: influence on how you've thought so much about exercise and

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Speaker 1: diet and and uh mental clarity or whatever. That is

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Speaker 1: what I mean. Maybe you guys could talk about that

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Speaker 1: a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I think from my dad it had a lot to

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Speaker 3: do with lifestyle. You know, my dad drove a truck

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Speaker 3: for you know, forty fifty years he inhaled you know,

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Speaker 3: toxic fuel fumes he smoked for fifty years. He was

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Speaker 3: also a rancher who dealt with chemicals like round up,

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Speaker 3: So I think a lot of it was environmental and

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Speaker 3: his lifestyle.

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Speaker 4: That being said, I.

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Speaker 3: Lost a friend a year and a half ago, super healthy,

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Speaker 3: worked out every single day, did not put anything that

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Speaker 3: wasn't organic into his body. At thirty three, he was

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Speaker 3: diagnosed with liver cancer and was dead in six weeks. So, Julian,

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Speaker 3: obviously you're the scientist, but those have been my two

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Speaker 3: drastic different experiences. For one, that I was like everything

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Speaker 3: that my father did with his life, decisions that he made,

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Speaker 3: pointed to sadly the outcome where I had friends who

756
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Speaker 3: were very active in making sure that they took care

757
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Speaker 3: of themselves and did everything they could for that to

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Speaker 3: not happen, and then this still happened.

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Speaker 5: So what we know about today's environment plays a huge role.

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Speaker 5: It's probably the largest contributor. And environment includes things like smoking,

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Speaker 5: things like overeating. Obesity is a huge cofactor, but it's

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Speaker 5: also genetics, it's infectious diseases. There are numerous you know

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Speaker 5: what happens during puberty for breast cancer in women, all

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Speaker 5: kinds of factors that beat to cancer, and sadly it's

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Speaker 5: not that predictable. The only three things that we know

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Speaker 5: for sure is obesity, smoking and alcohol overuse are really bad.

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Speaker 5: And then of course the area you breathe, that water

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Speaker 5: you drink. Of course all of that matters. And it's

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Speaker 5: just a dialbollical uh situation. Uh and Bobby, I you know,

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Speaker 5: I just nothing is sadder than seeing a young person

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Speaker 5: develop cancer and be dead in six weeks. I feel free.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is That's that's really rough, really rough. Uh. Well, listen,

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Speaker 1: what I'd like to do is, uh do a little

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Speaker 1: This is our call to action section. I mean, can

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Speaker 1: you guys talk about ways that people can help, uh

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Speaker 1: in terms of finding out where to donate or stand

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Speaker 1: up to cancer any events. I think it's stand up

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Speaker 1: to Cancer as far as I know, usually has some

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Speaker 1: pretty big events in the course of the year. What's

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Speaker 1: what's what's going on. Let's uh, let's let's give them

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Speaker 1: the digits and the websites and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we just had a telecast this past summer. Uh.

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Speaker 5: It we raised millions of dollars of it based on

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Speaker 5: the telling patient stories and having celebrities come in that's

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Speaker 5: that's one of the special uh attributes of Stand Up

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Speaker 5: to Cancer. We were founded by the entertainment industry, and

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Speaker 5: so we have access to all these great celebrities and

788
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Speaker 5: donate their time and do these public service announcements, et cetera,

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Speaker 5: et cetera. Uh. So we're constantly looking for more research

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Speaker 5: dollars UH to fight these multitude of diseases. And it's

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Speaker 5: really it's it's it's our mission. Our mission is to

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Speaker 5: fund innovative research to detect and intercept and and with

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Speaker 5: the aspiration to cure all pants A patients. That's that's

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Speaker 5: our north star.

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Speaker 1: That's good. That's a good one. What's and what's the website?

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Speaker 3: Is?

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Speaker 1: It must be stand Up to Cancer dot com. I

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Speaker 1: would think dot org dot org. Yeah, stand up to

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Speaker 1: Cancer dot org. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: We're a nonprofited mind everywhere. It's my first time in

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Speaker 5: the nonprofit world, so.

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Speaker 1: Getting used to it. Yeah. It's it's a it's its own,

803
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Speaker 1: it's its own thing.

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Speaker 5: And it feels good. It really feels good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know, congratulations Julian on this. Uh what

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Speaker 1: can I call this a second chapter or a third

807
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Speaker 1: chapter or you know, or just a new gig.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a new gig, and it's it's probably chapter

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Speaker 5: five or six. Because every time I discover a drug,

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Speaker 5: you know, I move on, I take on another problem

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Speaker 5: and uh, you know, and I've been lucky.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 5: I've discovered for were unique rugs. I have two cooking

814
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Speaker 5: right now in the Tight States clinical trials. But what

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Speaker 5: I'm most excited about now is the ability that we

816
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Speaker 5: have with all the technologies that we have, is to

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Speaker 5: do early detection of cancer, uh and intercept that cancer.

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Speaker 5: And for the first time, last year, we saw evidence

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Speaker 5: that for the first time, cancer vaccines actually work. We've

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Speaker 5: seen in melanoma, we've seen it in pancreatic cancer. And

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Speaker 5: so I'm really pivoting our organization to do what the

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Speaker 5: pharmaceutical industry will never do, is to try to detect

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Speaker 5: that early detection, early intervention with cancer vaccines. I think

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Speaker 5: we stand in a very unique spot to be able

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Speaker 5: to foster that kind of research.

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Speaker 3: I've recently started doing full body MRI scans.

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Speaker 4: I've now started having won every three years.

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Speaker 3: I me at that age where you know, other people

829
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Speaker 3: in my family have My grandfather died of a brain

830
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Speaker 3: tumor around my same age, So every three years now,

831
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Speaker 3: I'm getting a full body MRI scan just so I

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Speaker 3: can catch things early if I ever too get something.

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Speaker 5: But unfortunately, with the health disparities in this country, that's

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Speaker 5: not scalable. You know. I obviously, Bobby, you got to

835
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Speaker 5: do what you've got to do. But if you think

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Speaker 5: about the country wide population, you know, we need point

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Speaker 5: of care off doctor's office. You know, pinprick blood, draw saliva,

838
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Speaker 5: you know, something simple that can really with great fidelity

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Speaker 5: predict are you susceptible? Are you at risk for getting cancer?

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Speaker 5: And if so, how do you intervene? Again, I'm very

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Speaker 5: jazzed about cancer vaccines, but there are other modalities that have,

842
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 5: you know, improvements in surgery, improvements in every aspect of

843
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 5: biomedical interventions that if we can get you into remission,

844
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Speaker 5: we don't want your relapse either. So that's a place

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Speaker 5: where we just want to improve survivorship. And I've laid

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Speaker 5: out a bold vision for our organization is we want

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Speaker 5: to fund research that I want to say, in five

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Speaker 5: years from now will reduce cancer cancer deaths by twenty

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Speaker 5: five percent and in ten years by fifty percent. That's

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Speaker 5: you know, and that I can die happily. Something that's

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Speaker 5: not you know, I have something that not can Good.

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Speaker 1: For you man, Good for you, man, Bobby, Thank you

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Speaker 1: for being here today, looking forward to well whatever is

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Speaker 1: coming down the road. And and you know, I maybe

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Speaker 1: I'll have to go back and hear you singing that

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Speaker 1: what kind of creature were you in that show?

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Speaker 4: I was a caterpillar.

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Speaker 7: Caterpillar, caterpillar, a very long and large caterpillar. All right,

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Speaker 7: well we're gonna have to check out Bobby Burke as

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Speaker 7: a caterpillar. And fellas, it's been really fun chatting with

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Speaker 7: you and really fascinating and I really do appreciate the

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Speaker 7: work that you're both doing, so keep it up.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, thanks for listening to another episode of Six

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Speaker 1: Degrees with Kevin Bacon. If you want to learn more

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Speaker 1: about Stand Up to Cancer and all the amazing work

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Speaker 1: that they do, head to their website Stay and Up

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Speaker 1: to Cancer dot org that Stand Up to Cancer dot org.

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Speaker 1: You can find all the links in our show notes

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