Speaker 1: Hey, folks, welcome to this latest episode of Amy and TJ.
Speaker 2: And just like.
Speaker 1: Always, we have no idea what's going on in this episode,
Speaker 1: but it's different this time. Rodes. Now, this is truly
Speaker 1: one where we don't know what's happening and we're kind
Speaker 1: of excited about Heart is raising.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm not big on surprises, and I think you know
Speaker 4: that I'm not one loves a surprise party, but this
Speaker 4: is a controlled surprise, like we know we're about to
Speaker 4: be surprised, so.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit different.
Speaker 4: We were just told by our wonderful iHeart team that
Speaker 4: they had a surprise for us and for us to
Speaker 4: keep this day open for us to come into the studio,
Speaker 4: that they had guest possible guests for us that we
Speaker 4: were going to love, that we were going to be
Speaker 4: super excited about, but they wanted it to be secret.
Speaker 1: Wait hasn't this been months in the world. I swear
Speaker 1: Hanad's been telling usbout this one months.
Speaker 4: We've belt about this, I think for at least two months,
Speaker 4: and they seem to think that we're going to be
Speaker 4: so excited about it that they wanted it to be
Speaker 4: a surprise.
Speaker 1: Okay, And it freaked them out a little bit because
Speaker 1: our schedule is a mess. They say, hey, October, you
Speaker 1: don't know, let's let's just check our schedule. So this
Speaker 1: finally did work out. Now we suspect it because it's Halloween,
Speaker 1: it's around thet We are huge horror movie fans, so
Speaker 1: we have all kinds of guesses about who it might be.
Speaker 1: But we've been thrown off a little bit. Now they
Speaker 1: throw us a couple of curves. So now I'm a
Speaker 1: little lost.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 4: So well, we know it's Halloween themed because when we
Speaker 4: came into the studio. We'll put the pictures up on
Speaker 4: social media. But the it's very cute. Emma decorated the
Speaker 4: Amy and TJ studio with some Halloween high ends.
Speaker 1: We've got this is some high ends.
Speaker 4: Bloody plastic feet. We've got a ghoule behind me. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: some black netting everywhere. So obviously this is horror movie related,
Speaker 4: which we totally support.
Speaker 3: Do I want to say when? I so when?
Speaker 4: Now we believe it's more than one guest because we
Speaker 4: saw the s Okay, yeah, so that threw me because
Speaker 4: initially I was thinking it might be Stephen King.
Speaker 1: Now I'm all, Now I'm thrown off. Now, I'm really
Speaker 1: off when it went the two that threw me off.
Speaker 3: But yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: Son, we we should do it. We should Okay. So
Speaker 1: we are now, folks, you listening to us, are going
Speaker 1: to find out, as we found out, find out who
Speaker 1: our guests are for the day. So Hannah, will you
Speaker 1: please finally give us the reveal? Who do we have
Speaker 1: on the show today?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 1: Robert England himself? How did Joe pull this off? We
Speaker 1: should let everybody I'm your boyfriend now.
Speaker 3: My goodness, wow, if I could have seen this.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Heather, I'm telling you on this happened yesterday.
Speaker 3: So true.
Speaker 1: We were watching you a Nightmare on Elm Street just yesterday.
Speaker 3: And what did I say to you? I under what
Speaker 3: she's doing now and here you are. That is a
Speaker 3: legit absolute.
Speaker 4: So we were on a plane yesterday and we like
Speaker 4: to talk because we're you know, just like that, And
Speaker 4: so we put on what we call background movies. And
Speaker 4: it's usually just a favorite movie of ours. We've seen
Speaker 4: lance up at the screen and see and feel all
Speaker 4: warm and fuzzy, And for me it was Nightmare on
Speaker 4: Elm Street. We just let's say hello, I'm here with
Speaker 4: Robert Evid.
Speaker 6: We're celebrating the fortieth anniversary of Nightmare this year, and
Speaker 6: we're also we're talking about the Ultra four KHD that
Speaker 6: Warner Brothers just putting out. So we're we're spending a
Speaker 6: lot of We're spending a lot of time together, and.
Speaker 2: It's that thing.
Speaker 5: You know. What I realized is so many fans discovered
Speaker 5: Nightmare on Elm Street on that that rented video, that
Speaker 5: VHS came from the Mom and Pop video store. There
Speaker 5: wasn't wound rewounded properly, you know. And of weeks ago,
Speaker 5: I was watching the four K of Hitchcock's Rear Window,
Speaker 5: you know, with Jimmy Stewart and Grace Kelly, and it
Speaker 5: was so incredible.
Speaker 2: It was better than I ever imagined it. So I'm
Speaker 2: I'm I'm.
Speaker 5: Really hyping this four K of Nightmare on Elm Street
Speaker 5: one because I just I know that I've had the
Speaker 5: experience of talking with fans so many of it watched
Speaker 5: it at home, you know, on video, And this one's
Speaker 5: gonna look really.
Speaker 6: Creamy because everyone has these new TVs now that you know,
Speaker 6: can show all the glory.
Speaker 1: In the man cave, the woman you know, how does
Speaker 1: that change. I have not seen like an original and
Speaker 1: older horror movie in this four K format before. We
Speaker 1: have watched the omen A lot actually lately, and there's
Speaker 1: something about just that grainy, that grimy look is not
Speaker 1: so that still is kind of appealing. But you're telling
Speaker 1: me the four K thing is going to blow blow
Speaker 1: his way.
Speaker 6: And what's even more is if they added some about
Speaker 6: eight or nine seconds to the Tina death seeds. You
Speaker 6: know what.
Speaker 2: I dragged China over the ceiling and.
Speaker 3: I just watched it. Yes, that's one thing. I'm telling you.
Speaker 5: Eight seconds of missing footage, which sounds short, but that's
Speaker 5: actually that's a lot of blood and that's already.
Speaker 6: It's such a good scene. It's gonna yeah, it's even
Speaker 6: better now.
Speaker 4: That is so exciting. What I'm trying to remember what
Speaker 4: year it was when it first came out in forty
Speaker 4: years ago, I was eleven years old. I didn't see
Speaker 4: it in theaters, but I sneaked over to my neighbor's
Speaker 4: house to watch it and we would sit there and
Speaker 4: sing one, two, Freddy's after You, three, four better, six,
Speaker 4: Crucifix eight.
Speaker 6: Jumped in sleep.
Speaker 4: But again, I mean I was a huge fan, and
Speaker 4: I know you probably love this, but I mean it
Speaker 4: is scary when I look at you now.
Speaker 3: You still look like Freddy Krueger to me. But Freddy
Speaker 3: was older.
Speaker 5: Freddie was older than Robert England when I originally played it,
Speaker 5: and as I age, I'm kind.
Speaker 2: Of aging like him.
Speaker 5: But that was that's a gift actually from Kevin Yaeger
Speaker 5: or makeup man, because he wanted to make my musculature,
Speaker 5: even with the burns on the face and neck. He
Speaker 5: wanted to make me look like an older man to
Speaker 5: begin with, and I played him with a with a
Speaker 5: gruffer voice that I actually had back then. So uh,
Speaker 5: that's actually why now the shorter my haircut is. When
Speaker 5: I'm in airports and stuff, I actually get recognized more
Speaker 5: now than I did.
Speaker 2: That actually, because I look more like him.
Speaker 3: Do you wear a striped sweater?
Speaker 6: I've never seen Robert in a red and green sweater actually,
Speaker 6: except a couple of times. He does not usually have
Speaker 6: one with them.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not all.
Speaker 1: The time, Robert, not your brother. What is a what
Speaker 1: is a screen? Do we still have scream queens these days?
Speaker 6: I mean I always say I don't feel like I
Speaker 6: scream that much. In Nightmare on Elm Street because I'm
Speaker 6: so busy kicking ass. Right, most of the time, I'm
Speaker 6: not screaming that much, but it is become a form.
Speaker 6: It's a term of art that I think is actually
Speaker 6: wonderful because I share that with so many amazing actresses
Speaker 6: who have been in incredible shows like Nightmare on Elm Streets.
Speaker 6: So I kind of feel as like our little brotherhood
Speaker 6: or sisterhood of a sisterhood of women who are able
Speaker 6: to be part of these incredible slasher movies, horror movies
Speaker 6: for the past forty years.
Speaker 5: You know, when I was a kid and we go
Speaker 5: to the you know, the matinee, Molan save up our
Speaker 5: allowance and go see the double bill horror movies for
Speaker 5: a matinee, and it was almost always boys. But after
Speaker 5: Sigourney Weaver and Aliens, and then Jamie Lee Curtis and
Speaker 5: Halloween and then at the outset the Nightmare on Elm
Speaker 5: Street franchise, we always have a strong survival, survivor girl,
Speaker 5: you know, a five girl. Hollywood calls it in their
Speaker 5: in their vocabulary, in parlance, and I'm kind of proud
Speaker 5: that we were sort of the film responsible for getting
Speaker 5: the original accumulation of horror fangirls, you know, really bringing
Speaker 5: them into the into the audience we have.
Speaker 6: When we started forty years ago, very few women would
Speaker 6: come and meet us or come into these autograph shows
Speaker 6: that we do, and now it's half or more. Are
Speaker 6: not only women, but their grandmothers, their daughters, and they
Speaker 6: all come and they just love Nancy and they love
Speaker 6: what she stands for.
Speaker 5: I think they identify, you know, the journey of the
Speaker 5: survivor girl throughout the movies, and it's Heather and several
Speaker 5: of them Lisa Willcox, yeah, Lisa Sane, Billy Zaye's sister,
Speaker 5: and Monica Kena. But their survived you identify and you
Speaker 5: follow that journey, and they do.
Speaker 2: At the end. People forget this. Freddie always loses to
Speaker 2: a girl, a woman.
Speaker 5: At the end of each film, she survives and vanquishes him.
Speaker 5: And I think that that was a kind of a
Speaker 5: first without it. But then all the girls didn't always
Speaker 5: just go into the barn with the guy with a chainsaw.
Speaker 2: Let's go hide in the barcion.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that commercial is amazing.
Speaker 4: I'm amazed because I don't think I mean, I just
Speaker 4: loved the film and I did it's funny. I did
Speaker 4: identify with Nancy. I was watching you on the plane yesterday,
Speaker 4: Heather and I and I.
Speaker 3: Was saying, it's so funny.
Speaker 4: I remember just wanting to be you and looking up
Speaker 4: to you, and I just got sucked into the whole story.
Speaker 4: I loved, obviously the adrenaline, with the fear and Freddy
Speaker 4: Kruger and all of that, but I really really identified
Speaker 4: with you and your character of Nancy. Heather and I
Speaker 4: never thought about it like this, And I don't think
Speaker 4: I realized that a woman always ended up I love Vanquishing,
Speaker 4: is it?
Speaker 3: Freddy Kruger?
Speaker 6: I mean, I think that's why this movie came along
Speaker 6: at a time when America was really ready to have
Speaker 6: women step into these roles. But I always tell people
Speaker 6: it wasn't just It's not just girls love Nancy, boys
Speaker 6: and men love her too.
Speaker 2: Because it's the pajamas.
Speaker 6: It's the pajamas, the sexy pajamas, the little Chinese pajamas
Speaker 6: with the flowers. But she just represented how to face
Speaker 6: your fear and how to like get over through, you know,
Speaker 6: get through whatever in your life is causing you. You know, Freddy,
Speaker 6: I always say, what's your Freddie and people always answer, Oh,
Speaker 6: it's it's my you know, my horrible whatever that's going
Speaker 6: on in my life, and that's their Freddy and everyone
Speaker 6: needs a Nancy inspiration to get over that.
Speaker 5: I think that's the best gimmick, the best hook that
Speaker 5: that we should praise. And remember, you know, the late
Speaker 5: great Wes Craven, you know, and he also did the
Speaker 5: screen franchise, you know, and he changed Horror before Nightmare
Speaker 5: on Elm Street with the Hills Have Eyes and last
Speaker 5: House on the left. But this great book, which is
Speaker 5: the Nightmare. The nightmare is universal everyone has had and
Speaker 5: we all have some of the same dreams about falling
Speaker 5: or drowning or our algebra test.
Speaker 6: We're stepping into the gluey steps with your feet, yeah,
Speaker 6: but you can't get out.
Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned you we are not kidding. I
Speaker 1: assume they passed along to you how big horror movie
Speaker 1: fans we are. But on the way here to the
Speaker 1: studio today, she's in the kitchen just making scrambled eggs,
Speaker 1: and I'm on the computer and she's whimming up something
Speaker 1: to eat and puts on something in the background to
Speaker 1: watch on the TV in the kitchen, and she put
Speaker 1: on Scream. We're watching Scream at ten thirty in the
Speaker 1: morning as our background movie. That's how serious it is.
Speaker 2: Yes, Breakfast with Drew Barrylmore. Yeah, the last Yeah, the.
Speaker 6: Last two movies.
Speaker 4: The last two movies we just watched are Nightmare and
Speaker 4: elm Street and Scream and then voila. We are now
Speaker 4: walking into this interview with you two and it couldn't
Speaker 4: be more perfect.
Speaker 3: So we're super excited. I'm curious we're either.
Speaker 4: One of you horror movie fans beforehand, and what did
Speaker 4: you think when you got the script? Did you think
Speaker 4: this is going to be crazy or this is going
Speaker 4: to be excellent? I mean, I just want to know
Speaker 4: what you thought going into it versus what the reality actually.
Speaker 3: I'll start with you Robert.
Speaker 5: Well, Yeah, I was fascinated with horror as a child,
Speaker 5: and my godfather had a coffee table book of the movies,
Speaker 5: and it had a section of the Golden Age of
Speaker 5: Horror Frankenstein, Dracula, the wolf Man, etc. But it also
Speaker 5: had from the Silent Days. It had a two page
Speaker 5: fold out of all of the various makeups that Lon
Speaker 5: Cheney had done, including one where he boiled an egg
Speaker 5: and took the placentia of a hard boiled egg and
Speaker 5: put it over his eye to make it look milky
Speaker 5: and dead, probably the first contact lens. But I was
Speaker 5: fascinated with that stuff. But when I was a theater actor,
Speaker 5: I became kind of a snob for several years. You know,
Speaker 5: I was the guy in the corduroy jacket with the
Speaker 5: patches on the sleeve, that guy. And it took Wes
Speaker 5: Craven to remind me how much as a child and
Speaker 5: as a young man, I loved horror and loved that
Speaker 5: world and the fantasy aspect of it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was Heather.
Speaker 6: How about you, Well, I was very scared. I never
Speaker 6: could really watch a horror movie all the way through.
Speaker 6: As soon as there was like one scary scene, I
Speaker 6: would turn off the TV as fast as I could
Speaker 6: because I had really bad dreams. And so, I mean
Speaker 6: I even tell people that Wizard of Oz would scare
Speaker 6: me so badly. Those trees that came alive and like
Speaker 6: tried to grab Dorothy, lying that wicked witch. I mean,
Speaker 6: all of that terrified me. So I knew I had
Speaker 6: a really low threshold.
Speaker 2: Flying Monkey's got to be But you know, on the.
Speaker 6: Other hand learning from Wes. I mean, I got to
Speaker 6: learn from the very best. I really learned to appreciate
Speaker 6: horror and like what kind of role it plays for people,
Speaker 6: and and so now I really love I love to
Speaker 6: watch horror movies. My husband's a special effects makeup artists,
Speaker 6: so I'm really critical about all the flood in.
Speaker 2: You are American Horror Story. You've watched the American Horror Story.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if I see something that looks slightly cheesy, I'm like,
Speaker 6: I don't know if I'm going to continue watching.
Speaker 2: And there's some great There's some great new stuff out
Speaker 2: now too.
Speaker 1: Okay, we have to ask you to you all are
Speaker 1: horror movie royalty. What these days do you like? And
Speaker 1: that you've maybe even something you've seen lately. We've got
Speaker 1: to know what horror movies do you two?
Speaker 5: That's what I was just gonna say. There is some
Speaker 5: great new stuff out. I just watched Apartment seven A
Speaker 5: with Julia Gard streaming.
Speaker 1: We haven't seen it yet from Ozart.
Speaker 5: I just saw her do the that's the prequel to
Speaker 5: Rosemary's Baby, and Dan Weis is playing the Ruth Gordon role.
Speaker 5: She's channeling Ruth Gordon. And if you watch them back
Speaker 5: to back. It's a perfect prequel to Rosemary's Baby, which
Speaker 5: is one of my favorites, which is a definite classic.
Speaker 5: You just saw them back to back, and it was
Speaker 5: so much fun because in Rosemary's Baby they talk about
Speaker 5: that character that Julia Garner plays, she's the girl from
Speaker 5: the laundry room in the fabulous apartment house that disappears.
Speaker 1: And what about you? What do you like in these days?
Speaker 6: I mean, the last horror movie I really saw was Abigail,
Speaker 6: which I really like. Melissa Barrera is like one of
Speaker 6: my favorite actresses now in horror, and she's in a
Speaker 6: lot of different horror movies. She's gonna be in this
Speaker 6: movie called Your Monster that's coming up. That is also
Speaker 6: I got to see in the Citrus Film Festival just
Speaker 6: last weekend.
Speaker 1: Is that the horror romantic or.
Speaker 6: I mean it is a great oh wow, So yeah,
Speaker 6: he made the monster in that, So that's not why
Speaker 6: I love it. I saw it in an audience of
Speaker 6: like European people and they were cheering at the screen
Speaker 6: and laughing, and then at the end it's a pretty
Speaker 6: horrifying handy. But I that movie, I have to say,
Speaker 6: is one of my favorites, but more meta movies like
Speaker 6: Happen in the Woods and you know, of course I
Speaker 6: saw the latest Evil Dead.
Speaker 5: You know, long Long Legs, Nick Page and long Legs.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so good.
Speaker 2: Probably, yeah, that's probably a serial killer movie.
Speaker 5: But still, boy, wow, just really strange darlings enveloped.
Speaker 1: You will see that one. Strange darlings were just exchange
Speaker 1: exchanging horror movie notes.
Speaker 2: Now, I just saw the trailers. It looks great, It's phenomenal.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, this is amazing.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm curious how your lives changed after that movie.
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone probably could have anticipated. I know
Speaker 4: it was Wes Craven, the wild success. The fact that
Speaker 4: even my daughters who are now twenty one and eighteen
Speaker 4: will still watch and be scared by. And they love
Speaker 4: horror movies too, because they come by it honestly, but
Speaker 4: they'll still go back and watch a movie from nineteen
Speaker 4: eighty four and say, holy crap, that is amazing. How
Speaker 4: did your lives change after that movie became the success
Speaker 4: it was and still is.
Speaker 5: I'd had a hit TV series at the same time
Speaker 5: called v and that had made me international, and then
Speaker 5: doing Nightmare on elm Street. I did some of the
Speaker 5: publicity for it, and I realized it was also simultaneously
Speaker 5: as here. It was a hit in Europe, and the
Speaker 5: real gift I got from being in it is it
Speaker 5: made me an international actor, and you know, things get
Speaker 5: slow for me in Hollywood. I go chase some beautiful
Speaker 5: young actors like Heather or around a castle in Spain.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, yeah, I think the movie really did.
Speaker 6: The success really did pile upon Robert right away, but
Speaker 6: the idea of Nancy as this important character, really it
Speaker 6: really was a much slower build, and I found it
Speaker 6: probably took five to even ten years before people started noticing,
Speaker 6: oh there's this girl, and people started actually writing about it.
Speaker 6: The movie came out on VHS, and of course more
Speaker 6: people saw it. But Nancy's you know, slow rise to
Speaker 6: this point where she, you know, is this final girl
Speaker 6: and scream queen. That took quite a while, actually, and
Speaker 6: I never really felt that a lot of people saw
Speaker 6: the movie. Frankly, I wasn't like Robert, who was being
Speaker 6: mobbed at airports like I was, you know, going to
Speaker 6: the grocery store and doing my daily life pretty anonymously
Speaker 6: for a long time.
Speaker 5: Well, Heather almost didn't do the movie. You know, her
Speaker 5: back in eighty four horror movies. I mean, I'm old
Speaker 5: enough to remember when you either did television or movies.
Speaker 5: You know, you didn't go back and forth. And then
Speaker 5: John Travolta kind of broke it wide open, going from
Speaker 5: Welcome Back Caught Her to Saturday Night Fever. But Heather's
Speaker 5: was counseled, you know, not to do a horror movie.
Speaker 5: And I even had second thoughts after I took the part.
Speaker 5: I took it because it fit in my schedule, and
Speaker 5: I wanted to work with Wes and there was a
Speaker 5: certain stigma then, you know, And and boy, I'll tell you,
Speaker 5: am I ever glad?
Speaker 2: I said yes to the Blue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how does that work?
Speaker 2: Robert?
Speaker 1: Well, Heather, you're the one that's not in makeup the
Speaker 1: whole movie. He's in disguise. But you say he's the
Speaker 1: one that gets recognized all the time.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean he's just such an iconic character. I mean,
Speaker 6: look that hat and a sweater. I mean people, you know,
Speaker 6: people just really love Freddy Krueger. And there's no explanation.
Speaker 6: It's just this visceral feeling of wanting to go for
Speaker 6: the bad guy, I guess, or or just feel part
Speaker 6: of that energy that he has. It's just so incredible.
Speaker 5: Well also, I'm sure the image of Freddie is the
Speaker 5: logo for the experience of seeing the franchise or going
Speaker 5: through the franchise, whereas Heather was the star of three movies,
Speaker 5: you know, and has infinitely more screen time than I do.
Speaker 5: But I got this sort of lucky gift or the
Speaker 5: happy accident of being the sort of logo for it. Now, However,
Speaker 5: forty years later, and actually thirty years later, and actually
Speaker 5: twenty years later, the merchandising is so a worldwide of
Speaker 5: our images that there's you know, probably more posters.
Speaker 2: With Heather you know, featured on them now than me.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm in the corner over here, but they
Speaker 5: has a shadow and then Heather because you know, she's
Speaker 5: no drop dead gorgeous.
Speaker 2: They feature Heather, you know, add a little cleavage to it.
Speaker 6: But they never, like they've never marketed the little Cassio
Speaker 6: watch that says ten seconds you know they made that yet,
Speaker 6: you know, or my little wife of Jamas. They really
Speaker 6: deserve to be, you know, immortalized in some way. And
Speaker 6: I'm still waiting.
Speaker 2: I still copy we're eating.
Speaker 6: Oh, we have the coffee for the stay awake, the
Speaker 6: little pills in the bottle. There's so many marketing opportunities.
Speaker 6: They just got go out by the Heather.
Speaker 2: Langen Camp says, I dream folgers.
Speaker 6: Oh you know it is a mattress commercial. I could
Speaker 6: do a bet a betting mattresses. I could, like, I
Speaker 6: could advertise so many products.
Speaker 5: A Lifetime movie Freddie and Nancy The Untold Story I'm
Speaker 5: Your Boyfriend.
Speaker 3: We would definitely watch that.
Speaker 4: I mean, it is such an amazing concept to make
Speaker 4: somebody afraid to go to sleep.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing you can't help but to
Speaker 3: do every single day.
Speaker 4: I'm curious, Robert, you mentioned that for a while, being
Speaker 4: in a horror movie might have not seemed as esteemed
Speaker 4: as doing a Shakespeare play or something like that when
Speaker 4: you're trained the way you have been. But how fun Like,
Speaker 4: how does playing Freddy Krueger compare to other roles you've had.
Speaker 4: It has to be a blast. I would think to
Speaker 4: be the bad guy, to be the evil guy.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, I played bad guys even before Freddy,
Speaker 5: and they're usually better written.
Speaker 2: You know, the heroes are the hardest parts.
Speaker 5: They have the hardest dialogue, and they also have to
Speaker 5: pitch a lot of exposition. But the great thing for
Speaker 5: me was once I got all that makeup on and
Speaker 5: I was in front of these semi surreal sets that
Speaker 5: were slightly exaggerated or askew, and the lighting was more
Speaker 5: dramatic and using severe colors, I realized I could use
Speaker 5: some of the tricks I'd learned in the theater, and
Speaker 5: I could employ those as an actor. Whereas and actors
Speaker 5: are afraid to tell you this, but a lot of
Speaker 5: the time, when we're working and we're in our own
Speaker 5: face and our own bald spot, and our own good
Speaker 5: side and bad side, a lot of times there's a
Speaker 5: little voice as that camera gets closer and closer that's
Speaker 5: saying to us, don't act, don't get caught acting. Don't
Speaker 5: get caught acting now, Robert. And that's actually a kind
Speaker 5: of violation for me or the experience of acting and
Speaker 5: listening and behaving and reacting. And I loved the liberation
Speaker 5: of playing Freddie. I wasn't worried about my bald spot
Speaker 5: catching the light anymore. Moved differently, I could I could
Speaker 5: be a little more theatrical with my voice and I
Speaker 5: could move differently literally some points in some of the
Speaker 5: films where I would come round a piece of furniture,
Speaker 5: or I would be in a doorway or something and
Speaker 5: I would compose myself with the frame, or I would
Speaker 5: literally dance it a little bit because I'm not in reality.
Speaker 2: And that was a great liberating thing for me.
Speaker 5: And when I went back to playing with my own face,
Speaker 5: you know, in movies and television series, I was just
Speaker 5: more free as an actor.
Speaker 2: I think I was just more.
Speaker 6: Yeah forgetting to mention that you had the clause, because
Speaker 6: the claws were actually something that he would often say, Heather,
Speaker 6: put your face here, so my Claus can go there,
Speaker 6: or move this way and the light will glint off
Speaker 6: my claws. Like the claus were such an important character
Speaker 6: in and of themselves that Robert quickly learned that they
Speaker 6: made sounds, that they could glint, that they could be
Speaker 6: really threatening. And so I feel some of the his
Speaker 6: understanding of how powerful that glove is. Even today when
Speaker 6: we take photos with folks, he has that glove in
Speaker 6: the picture because it became an extension of his body
Speaker 6: and such an incredible.
Speaker 5: Prop But it's also that liberation that I was talking
Speaker 5: about in the theater.
Speaker 2: You're not afraid to throw that tape over your shoulder.
Speaker 5: Dramatically on your entrance into Shakespearean play, or to hit
Speaker 5: that pose with your hand on the hilt of your sword.
Speaker 5: And the claw became that kind of thing. I was
Speaker 5: not afraid. I didn't feel like I had to hide
Speaker 5: it or save it. I felt like I could get
Speaker 5: it in there and use it and again in the frame,
Speaker 5: dance with it a little bit, whether it was here
Speaker 5: or here or here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, where's the claw? Where is it kept? Where is
Speaker 1: it right now?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 5: I think the original is with the widow of my
Speaker 5: late great agent, Joe Rice, and I need to write
Speaker 5: her a certainicate of authenticity. But actually, yeah, I'd had
Speaker 5: it in a shoe box for about a year. Wes
Speaker 5: had loaned it to me to wear it to do
Speaker 5: pickup shots. Well, you have to understand back at the beginning,
Speaker 5: you guys, we had no idea it was going to
Speaker 5: become iconic, you know, film for that we'd be celebrating
Speaker 5: forty years later. And I took it out in frame,
Speaker 5: I stuffed it and framed it in plexiglass and gave
Speaker 5: it to my agent. And he'd had it. He's had
Speaker 5: it all those years, so it's in his office.
Speaker 2: I believe you've just.
Speaker 6: Broken the hearts of everyone who thinks they have an
Speaker 6: original Welt.
Speaker 5: Oh well, there were, you know, a full full disclosure.
Speaker 5: There were several gloves. There was a stuntman's glove. There
Speaker 5: was one that had my lar on it that caught
Speaker 5: the light better. There was one made of razors that
Speaker 5: could cut through scenery. So there were and there were
Speaker 5: probably two or three hero gloves, so don't think that
Speaker 5: it was the only lub.
Speaker 6: Still, do you own an original?
Speaker 5: I have the original hero glove that Wes Craven took
Speaker 5: home from the set.
Speaker 1: Can I some of those were actually sharp enough to
Speaker 1: do damage?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but we had a hard rubber one for
Speaker 2: fight scenes.
Speaker 6: There's one scene where he goes through the like the
Speaker 6: Muslin curtain, and that was of course those were real
Speaker 6: sharp knives, but only once or twice that he.
Speaker 2: Use those on meat, Heather.
Speaker 1: Did you see a switch in him or was it
Speaker 1: even weird to have Robert England in full Freddie makeup
Speaker 1: and then maybe have a conversation or a coffee with him.
Speaker 1: Did he go into character as soon as that makeup
Speaker 1: came on or was it weird to have a regular
Speaker 1: conversation le.
Speaker 6: No, he was not that method. He would try to
Speaker 6: make us laugh. He would crack us up. He'd be
Speaker 6: telling us like where to go for the best, you know,
Speaker 6: thie food, and then they'd rele action, and then he'd
Speaker 6: be Freddie. You know, Robert. Robert did not maintain the
Speaker 6: Freddie character off screen.
Speaker 5: You wanted to get I wanted to get the kids
Speaker 5: to trust me so I could throw them across the room,
Speaker 5: you know. And I mean, I'm sure over the course
Speaker 5: of the films, I've left thumbrints on Heather's arm, you know,
Speaker 5: in it from fight scenes and things.
Speaker 2: But you want to get them to trust you.
Speaker 5: So I would like, I'm there at dawn getting that
Speaker 5: makeup stuck on me with cold glue.
Speaker 2: And eating donuts and drinking coffee.
Speaker 5: But I would get all the only other people on
Speaker 5: the set were that that earlier, the teamsters, So I'd
Speaker 5: get all the dirty jokes for the teamsters, and then.
Speaker 2: The little fresh fraced Heather.
Speaker 5: That Andreu would come in about eleven am on Bankers Hours,
Speaker 5: and I would tell her all these really lude dirty jokes.
Speaker 6: Forgetting to say is that overall the atmosphere on this
Speaker 6: particular set with Wes Craven was such a happy, happy experience.
Speaker 6: I mean, I haven't been on a set recently that
Speaker 6: had such Everyone was very joyous, really excited to be
Speaker 6: making such a creative project. Everyone was bringing so many
Speaker 6: interesting ideas to the set. I remember the day they
Speaker 6: brought the idea of putting the spandex across the ceiling
Speaker 6: so that Freddy could just lean over my head in
Speaker 6: the bedroom when I'm over the and spandex had just
Speaker 6: been invented, literally like the day before, and the special effects,
Speaker 6: and I said, look, I'm going to go to Joe
Speaker 6: Anne's or whatever store. I'm going to buy some of
Speaker 6: this new fabric because I think it'll work. And we
Speaker 6: got him there and back and then they stretched it over.
Speaker 6: They tried it with the lighting and it was like
Speaker 6: because about seventeen dollars to get efact.
Speaker 5: Like be about ninety nine and it still holds up
Speaker 5: that you know, it's the great era of practical special effects.
Speaker 4: Wow, that is so fascinating and it's I'm still my
Speaker 4: mind is still blown that we were watching this movie
Speaker 4: yesterday and it had been a while since I had
Speaker 4: seen it, and I actually forgot I did. I forgot
Speaker 4: that young young Johnny Depp was in the movie. Do
Speaker 4: you all stay in touch? I mean, what is does
Speaker 4: the cast? I know it's been forty years, but I'm
Speaker 4: just curious who you're in touch with still and with
Speaker 4: this type of anniversary, is there a reason or a
Speaker 4: point to catch up or to reach out.
Speaker 5: Well, I've seen some of the cast, Amanda Wiss, I
Speaker 5: see a lot, but I haven't run.
Speaker 2: Into Johnny quite a while.
Speaker 5: He was I had been in Europe on a movie,
Speaker 5: and he was on every bus and every billboard in
Speaker 5: Europe for a feature that he'd done, and it was
Speaker 5: it was like the number one movie in Europe.
Speaker 2: And I ran into him at a pub.
Speaker 5: This is back in ker Viper Room days and I
Speaker 5: ran into him at a pub and we were both
Speaker 5: day drinking and and uh he I told he was
Speaker 5: upset because I don't think the film had done as
Speaker 5: well here in the States. And I said, Johnny, I said,
Speaker 5: you're number one in Europe, you know. And I don't
Speaker 5: know if he took my advice, but I know he
Speaker 5: did go work in Europe for a while shortly after that,
Speaker 5: and it was a really smart move.
Speaker 2: I think that he did for his career.
Speaker 4: Then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we get.
Speaker 6: A chance to see a lot of the people from
Speaker 6: all the Nightmare franchises when we go to city to city.
Speaker 6: We do autograph conventions and comic cons a few times
Speaker 6: a year, so we'll see the you know, Nightmare four,
Speaker 6: Nightmare five, Ninemore six, Nightmare three. We see all of
Speaker 6: the folks.
Speaker 2: We should have We should have softball games.
Speaker 5: We do.
Speaker 6: We have these pictures of us that are like nine
Speaker 6: or ten of.
Speaker 5: Us to get screen more years versus the original Elm
Speaker 5: Street Brats.
Speaker 6: It's kind of a cub. Yeah, we're definitely a club.
Speaker 6: But I do see Amanda wisz Off and she's my
Speaker 6: one of my best friends. And I see Nick Corey
Speaker 6: quite a bit. But yeah, unfortunately I have not run
Speaker 6: into Johnny, and I really would love to, you know,
Speaker 6: see him again and you know, exchange some stories about then.
Speaker 3: Back then, I.
Speaker 1: Didn't know where that story was going to go, right,
Speaker 1: So me and Johnny Depp were day drinking. That could
Speaker 1: have gone a lot of ways.
Speaker 6: I was going to kick him under the table actually
Speaker 6: and just say leave it at.
Speaker 1: That, you know, and back to the makeup for a second.
Speaker 1: How long did it take you to get into Freddie
Speaker 1: makeup every day?
Speaker 5: You know, I'd love to really be whiny and a
Speaker 5: Christian martyr about the makeup, but it's only it only
Speaker 5: takes about three and a half hours to be camera
Speaker 5: ready unless I'm going for an extreme close up. When
Speaker 5: I did find them at the Opera, that was a
Speaker 5: fat four hours because that involved hair. I had kind
Speaker 5: of like a big Maine like Beethoven of white hair.
Speaker 5: And I did a Stephen King movie called The Mangler
Speaker 5: and that was about five hours because that was prosthetics
Speaker 5: combined with stippling combined with hair. But I don't brag
Speaker 5: because I was again in a pub in London with
Speaker 5: one of the general Orcs from Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 5: You know that the Orcs, you know, and they're on
Speaker 5: horseback and they're fighting Vigo Morgenston.
Speaker 2: But I was talking to that guy and.
Speaker 5: He told me if they had to be camera ready
Speaker 5: by nine in the morning, they were in the makeup
Speaker 5: chair at two am.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, good seven hours.
Speaker 1: Still three and a half I mean.
Speaker 5: So yeah, So Freddy's not the tough one. Tim Curry
Speaker 5: for legend, I think Tim Curry and Legend was a
Speaker 5: famously long makeup. I'm trying to think of it obviously,
Speaker 5: the Elephant Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a yeah, oh my god, so how
Speaker 3: so wait?
Speaker 4: I don't remember how many Nightmare on Elm Streets are
Speaker 4: there or were there.
Speaker 2: There's eight, there's eight.
Speaker 3: Okay, there's eight.
Speaker 4: Would you all be open to doing another one? I
Speaker 4: mean it's revisualia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he always says that, shine up.
Speaker 6: Yeah, We're ready.
Speaker 2: No, I would love We're ready.
Speaker 6: We're gonna do it?
Speaker 5: If yes, if they if they remake number three Dream Warriers,
Speaker 5: which is arguably the most popular.
Speaker 6: If they remake Wes Craven's.
Speaker 5: New Nightmare, yes, or West Craven. But yeah, but if
Speaker 5: they we made Dream Oyers, I would like to be
Speaker 5: asked to play one of the medical faculty in the
Speaker 5: therapy section that Heather's in, because I think it was.
Speaker 6: Just it's actually crazy.
Speaker 5: I think it was played by Priscilla Pointer, Amy Irving's mother,
Speaker 5: the wonderful actress Priscilla Pointer. But it would be fun
Speaker 5: to play it, you know, switch the genders and play
Speaker 5: it as a man, because if I'm the skeptical doctor,
Speaker 5: the cynical doctor that doesn't believe all these kids are
Speaker 5: having a collective nightmare. I think that's a great cameo,
Speaker 5: wink at the fans if there would be attending a
Speaker 5: reboot of.
Speaker 1: That Wait, but you would be coming back.
Speaker 2: So that's maybe a good one to start with on
Speaker 2: a remake.
Speaker 1: But you don't see yourself your question. The first thought
Speaker 1: I had was you being Freddy Krueger again.
Speaker 5: But you're still I can't you, guys, I'm an old
Speaker 5: dog now. I can't do those stunts from every angle.
Speaker 5: I could probably do one take of a stunt now,
Speaker 5: but I can't do them for you know, they cover them.
Speaker 6: From different das four Robert. I know that's why the
Speaker 6: stunt men get into your gift, you know.
Speaker 5: But you get into that, it's still you still have
Speaker 5: to sell, Robert.
Speaker 6: Robert did do a lot of the work when we
Speaker 6: were forty years ago.
Speaker 5: But well, I did a lot of my stuff on
Speaker 5: Freddy versus Jason, and I was well into my fifties
Speaker 5: on that one.
Speaker 1: But Heather, Robert, it sounds like you all are ready
Speaker 1: to go. Has there been any talk, even rumblings of
Speaker 1: the past couple of years that you all stay in contact.
Speaker 1: Is there a script on a with dust on it
Speaker 1: on a shelf somewhere.
Speaker 5: Fortunately, No, Unfortunately, I think there's a I think that
Speaker 5: there's a bit of a tied uh.
Speaker 2: I think with the rights now.
Speaker 5: I know it's I know a time Warner and Warner Brothers,
Speaker 5: and I know I think there for a while Platinum Dunes,
Speaker 5: and I know that there's the West Craven Estate, and
Speaker 5: there's just lots of people that sort of, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: have have DIBs on on it that.
Speaker 2: They have to negotiate.
Speaker 5: But yeah, if they ever get around to doing a remake,
Speaker 5: I would love to cameo in Dream Warriors, so you've
Speaker 5: heard it at first.
Speaker 3: I love that. Heather, What about you?
Speaker 4: Would you want to reprise your role as Nancy? Would
Speaker 4: you want to come in as another character?
Speaker 6: I think any and all. I just love the series
Speaker 6: so much. I love having played Nancy, you know, three
Speaker 6: different times as a teenager, as a young woman, and
Speaker 6: then as a mother. I really loved that arc and
Speaker 6: I kind of would like to see her like as
Speaker 6: an older woman, just to put a nice bow on it.
Speaker 2: But night mare and menopause may.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Perry menopause, my mayor. I don't know.
Speaker 7: It's not a terrible idea there. I'm not a hot
Speaker 7: class right now, No, I mean I just feel so
Speaker 7: indebted to this entire franchise for you know, a lot
Speaker 7: of the good things in my life. So there would
Speaker 7: never be an instance where I would reject it out
Speaker 7: of hand. I would love to hear what you know,
Speaker 7: anybody had to create based on all these great characters.
Speaker 4: I love hearing that because so often, Look, we've been
Speaker 4: interviewing celebrities and actors for three decades now, and so
Speaker 4: many times you hear actors try to get away from
Speaker 4: that iconic role that put them into the limelight because
Speaker 4: they want to be something different, or they don't want
Speaker 4: people to think of them only as that character.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: Some people say it even ruins their careers because they're
Speaker 4: only thought of as that one character. I love hearing
Speaker 4: both of you embrace those characters, embrace how much they're loved,
Speaker 4: embrace how much they're celebrated, and actually credit it with
Speaker 4: helping your career. I think that's so cool because we
Speaker 4: don't hear that that often. I'm sure you're familiar with it,
Speaker 4: so that's a pretty.
Speaker 5: Much that's exactly what happened, though you know, I mean it,
Speaker 5: it's that thing, that gift that I got for working internationally,
Speaker 5: you know. But it's also that I was established in
Speaker 5: Hollywood when I did nightmanams It, I'd done a dozen
Speaker 5: movies and I had a hit television series, so that
Speaker 5: helped me make the decision. But I do remember at
Speaker 5: some point, right around part three, when I realized, you know,
Speaker 5: no one had sort of stepped into those shoes in
Speaker 5: the horror genre, you know, that had been vacated by
Speaker 5: Vincent Price and people like that, And it was sort
Speaker 5: of like I was sort of like, hey, I will
Speaker 5: you know, okay, because I could feel the momentum of
Speaker 5: the franchise and the popularity and the rising of horror
Speaker 5: and science fiction and fantasy films in popular culture. You know,
Speaker 5: we used to have westerns and gangster movies every week,
Speaker 5: but now they're every week in the box office, there's
Speaker 5: a fantasy film or a horror film or a thriller
Speaker 5: you know, or you know, and those movies travel better internationally.
Speaker 5: You know, some of our greatest comedians in America are
Speaker 5: unknown in Europe because comedy doesn't travel as well. But
Speaker 5: a great action film or a fantasy film or a
Speaker 5: horror film. They speak that sort of international language of cinema,
Speaker 5: and everybody.
Speaker 6: Understands say that. I mean, I think you'd be hard
Speaker 6: pressed to find better roles actually even today than Nancy Thompson.
Speaker 6: I mean, she was such an incredible character. She not
Speaker 6: only was the dramatically, but she had to do all
Speaker 6: these stunts and she had to fight Freddy. So it's
Speaker 6: rare that you get a part if you're just a
Speaker 6: lead in a straight movie where you have such an
Speaker 6: amazing amount of things that you have to do in
Speaker 6: a film like that. So, I mean a lot of
Speaker 6: people disparage horror movies for a long time, but I
Speaker 6: always said, well, show me another character that is as
Speaker 6: you know, tough as Nancy or has such a great part,
Speaker 6: and it's hard to find them as for a young
Speaker 6: woman in Hollywood back then.
Speaker 5: And people forget that whole dynamic between Heather and her
Speaker 5: mother played by Ronnie Blakeley.
Speaker 2: The star of Nashville.
Speaker 5: But that whole dynamic, I mean, that was serious stuff
Speaker 5: because Wes Craven was saying that the adults are flawed,
Speaker 5: you know, and it's a loss of innocence with the kids.
Speaker 5: Throughout the franchise, but the adults are actually more damage
Speaker 5: than the kids, because it was that moment of time
Speaker 5: in the early eighties when we became aware that there
Speaker 5: can be damage from divorce, and there was damage from
Speaker 5: alcoholism and damage from from pill taking, which we know
Speaker 5: what's happened with that in recent years. And Wes was
Speaker 5: mining that that's part of the nightmare on Elm Street
Speaker 5: is the damaged of America. And Freddie is rearing his
Speaker 5: ugly head and infiltrating that. You know, people forget Elm Street.
Speaker 5: Elm Street is in that book we all read to
Speaker 5: learn how to read, you know, Dick and Jane and
Speaker 5: their dog Spot and their cat Puff and Elm Street.
Speaker 5: But a whole generation, many generations did. It was a
Speaker 5: reading guide, but it was also I mean every town,
Speaker 5: as they say in part six, every town does have
Speaker 5: an Elm Street. Of course, it also has a broadway
Speaker 5: in a main street and an Oak Street. But every
Speaker 5: town has an Elm Street. But also what's the name
Speaker 5: of the street that our beloved President John Kennedy was
Speaker 5: shot on Elm Street in Dallas, and Wes knew that
Speaker 5: as symbolic that that was a loss of innocence, the
Speaker 5: death of our president, John F. Kennedy was an American
Speaker 5: loss of innocence and and and and that could be
Speaker 5: construed as the Nightmare on Elm Street. And Wes was
Speaker 5: talking about loss of innocence because Freddy kills children and
Speaker 5: children are the future.
Speaker 1: Well, night Merrel Elm Street is more cerebral than I
Speaker 1: gave it credit. And after talking to I know.
Speaker 6: Watched it seventy five times yet.
Speaker 2: Just going to be at the end of the show.
Speaker 4: But you know what, this is so cool because I
Speaker 4: think oftentimes DJ and I and I've had to defend
Speaker 4: my love of horror movies for a very long time.
Speaker 4: I think people think that it's some silly you know, uh,
Speaker 4: just non cerebral form of entertainment where you're just inundated
Speaker 4: with fear. But so often when you think about Wes Craven,
Speaker 4: when you think about Stephen King, these are some of
Speaker 4: my favorite like authors and I have grown up loving
Speaker 4: fantasy and horror. But I love how you just put that,
Speaker 4: because there is so much social commentary oftentimes in these
Speaker 4: horror movies, and now I love how they're even infiltrated
Speaker 4: with some comedy as well, so there's lighter moments and
Speaker 4: scary moments, but I just think there's such a full
Speaker 4: experience and entertainment experience that actually does have deeper meeting oftentimes.
Speaker 4: So I love Robert how you I didn't realize all
Speaker 4: of what you just said, but it's part of the
Speaker 4: reason that maybe even subconsciously we love it, we don't
Speaker 4: even realize what we're absorbing.
Speaker 6: Well, what you mentioned about the comedy is so true
Speaker 6: because I have, you know, the horror movies that I see,
Speaker 6: comedy's actually missing in a lot of them. But the
Speaker 6: final say, ten minutes of Nightmare on Elm Street has
Speaker 6: so many funny moments where Nancy's like breaking the windows
Speaker 6: saying get my dad, you know, and the guy's like,
Speaker 6: maybe I better go get certainly, you know, I mean,
Speaker 6: it's this humor that's a laugh, and then there's terror
Speaker 6: laughing and then a terrar laughing.
Speaker 5: Well, Wes Craven and Sam Raymie, the Great Sam Raimie
Speaker 5: explored that early on, you know, with the Evil Dead films,
Speaker 5: and Wes. Wes told me once that you can't just
Speaker 5: scare people for ninety minutes. If you let them laugh
Speaker 5: a couple of times, then you can sit. They relax,
Speaker 5: they release that tension and you can set them up
Speaker 5: to scare them again. And he was so deft with
Speaker 5: that scream in his Scream franchise, especially.
Speaker 6: Well, especially when Marge brings the vodka bottle out of
Speaker 6: the linen closet and it's at this really heightened tension
Speaker 6: when Nancy has to go see if Glenn is dead
Speaker 6: or not, and that moment when she grabs the vodka
Speaker 6: bottle and chugs in the hallway is the biggest laugh
Speaker 6: I ever get. I mean ever here in the movie theater.
Speaker 6: People just want to let.
Speaker 7: It all go at that they.
Speaker 6: Need to laugh, and it's always like a huge laughter moment.
Speaker 1: There's a whole new sub genre now of horror that
Speaker 1: is horror comedy, and we're starting to get into that
Speaker 1: a little bit. But to you Ole's point, some horror
Speaker 1: movies they just need a little moment of levity, just
Speaker 1: give us a little relief. It almost sets you up
Speaker 1: to relax, and then they're coming for you. And you
Speaker 1: were mentioning just a moment ago, how you kind of
Speaker 1: were able to progress and mature in some of the movies,
Speaker 1: from a girl to a young woman to a mother.
Speaker 1: That is the model, I guess that Jamie Lee Curtis
Speaker 1: also has in Halloween to where it carried through the
Speaker 1: franchise to where her daughter and even her granddaughter were
Speaker 1: a part of the other ones. But I get I
Speaker 1: can't think of another besides you too. But did you
Speaker 1: have you had no model for this? Did you have
Speaker 1: any screen queens or anybody to really emuate or you
Speaker 1: looked up to say, I like how they did that
Speaker 1: in the horror movie? Or were you just pioneering?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, Wes Craven was my you know, he's
Speaker 6: kind of my coach all along the way, because I
Speaker 6: would I would be really confused, like how am I
Speaker 6: supposed to play this, Wes? And and I'd ask him
Speaker 6: so many questions about that, just that kind of thing,
Speaker 6: like how am I going to make people believe that
Speaker 6: this is really happening? Especially in New Nightmare? And you know,
Speaker 6: all along the way he just had really steady advice,
Speaker 6: and he he would tell me, you know, you know,
Speaker 6: just the mood to create and how to get through it,
Speaker 6: and and I really I just couldn't have done it
Speaker 6: without him. He gave me so much confidence. And then
Speaker 6: he also he also just taught me how to be
Speaker 6: an actor, you know, who has to you know, lead
Speaker 6: a movie, has to tell the story. And I'll never
Speaker 6: forget those lefts and I just have everything in the
Speaker 6: world to owe to him for that.
Speaker 2: Heather's being modest.
Speaker 5: Just prior to the original Nightmare in Elm Street, I
Speaker 5: think she starred with Joe Anne Woodward in a film,
Speaker 5: so you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but that was like that was the daughter and
Speaker 6: I was in four scenes, you know, it was.
Speaker 2: That's some good season.
Speaker 3: How the original movie, how long did it take to film?
Speaker 3: Do you all remember? I'm curious because it was.
Speaker 6: Such a it was five or six weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: We shot at the old Desilu Studios in Hollywood.
Speaker 6: I had Lucille's ball Ball's old dressing room.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I love Lucy and I think they'd done the Partridge
Speaker 5: Family there because I used to see some memorabilia stuck
Speaker 5: in the back on the back of an old scenery
Speaker 5: flat in the back, and they were like polaroids, you
Speaker 5: know of David Cassidy.
Speaker 1: You'll shut it out.
Speaker 6: It was a really dilapidated old studio. I mean it
Speaker 6: was really romantic though well I didn't know any better.
Speaker 6: I just thought it was dusty and it was falling.
Speaker 2: Down Futon's with cigarette burns in them.
Speaker 6: You think Carver was like, really it was the.
Speaker 1: Now you said it took six weeks to shoot it.
Speaker 1: You all didn't know what you had and what it
Speaker 1: was going to become. How long did it take after
Speaker 1: the movie came out that you all say, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: we got a winner here.
Speaker 5: Well, I knew we'd made something special because I'd been around,
Speaker 5: you know, it was maybe my thirteenth or fourteenth film.
Speaker 2: But I just wanted people to see it.
Speaker 5: I just wanted us to be able to get it
Speaker 5: out there because you know, we had We actually kind
Speaker 5: of run out of money towards the end, and I
Speaker 5: think they had this new line Cinema had to sell
Speaker 5: the video rights.
Speaker 2: They eventually bought them back.
Speaker 5: But I just wanted it to get distributed and get
Speaker 5: it out there because I knew it was something special.
Speaker 5: But for me it was I was in Italy getting
Speaker 5: an award in Milan and for a television project in
Speaker 5: my rented tuxedo, and the fans grabbed me and pulled
Speaker 5: me out of the limo and passed me over the
Speaker 5: crowd of chanting Freddy Freddy, And that's when I knew
Speaker 5: this is this is right after it had opened, and
Speaker 5: I didn't it was already a hit in Europe.
Speaker 2: So that's when I knew, how I.
Speaker 6: Think I knew when actually Wes asked me to be
Speaker 6: in Nightmare three Dream Warriors, when he said, you know,
Speaker 6: I've written this script and you're in it again, And
Speaker 6: then I thought, oh, wow, they're doing another they're doing
Speaker 6: another sequel, and it must be doing well.
Speaker 2: Sat when you were doing your series.
Speaker 6: I mean it was just after I did this series.
Speaker 2: She was doing a series then the Ten of Us.
Speaker 5: But so yeah, that yeah, and then ate in the
Speaker 5: middle of that she found out that we're going to
Speaker 5: be three, and so.
Speaker 6: That way, I mean, I just his faith to do
Speaker 6: another show with me as the lead. I felt, oh,
Speaker 6: it's doing well enough where he would put me in.
Speaker 6: But like I said, those three years between those first
Speaker 6: one and the third one, I didn't really think it
Speaker 6: was like that big of a deal. I mean, I
Speaker 6: don't know, I didn't get pulled out of the limo.
Speaker 6: I didn't get like sir body serves across that.
Speaker 5: Even even when that happened, even when that that just
Speaker 5: meant to me that we had a hit movie and
Speaker 5: that I could work in Europe, but that I didn't
Speaker 5: know that. Forty years later, you know we'd be we'd
Speaker 5: be here talking to you about this.
Speaker 1: All right, forty years later, still to this day, the
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore, of of of bad guys, ha's got to
Speaker 1: be Freddy Jason, Michael Myers. Who else goals on that list?
Speaker 1: Are those who leather Face?
Speaker 6: Maybe leather Face? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Probably? I think he has his foot in the door.
Speaker 5: Wonderful actor Doug Bradley, who's pin Head Phead? Maybe in
Speaker 5: that hell Wow, because that's a real Those are real, strange, dark,
Speaker 5: kinky films, and they deserve a.
Speaker 2: Place in the pantheon.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Does Chuck Barker Flyve Barker's got some dark ship?
Speaker 1: Does Chucky count in that group? Chuckie?
Speaker 6: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I go with no.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go no. I think we just got the
Speaker 4: Mount Rushmore. I think that's exactly it. That's perfect.
Speaker 6: You have to be I don't know the doll thing.
Speaker 6: I don't know. It just doesn't seem right on Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 2: I kicked a Chucky across the room.
Speaker 1: It makes a good point.
Speaker 5: Here's our story. Here's the story for you. When I
Speaker 5: was doing Nightmare and Elm Street Part two. In the
Speaker 5: trailer dressing room in Pasadena. As I was getting my
Speaker 5: makeup on, my makeup man Kevin Yaeger was also doing
Speaker 5: the prototypes for Chucky the Doll, and so I sat
Speaker 5: there getting my makeup on and saw he would bring
Speaker 5: them in to get he was working on them and
Speaker 5: to get people's opinions.
Speaker 2: So I saw all the evolution of the Chucky doll.
Speaker 5: He originally had short red crew cut and he was fattered,
Speaker 5: you know, and they sort of kept modifying him, you know.
Speaker 5: And one of the producers, Sarah Risher of the Nightmare
Speaker 5: on Elm Street Films, she just had a baby and
Speaker 5: she was really a hands on producer. So in the
Speaker 5: it was Freddy Krueger and whatever the new incarnation of
Speaker 5: the Chucky Doll. And then next to that was the baby,
Speaker 5: the baby creatit, you know, with this naked baby crime.
Speaker 2: That's that poor child is scarred for life.
Speaker 1: Robert, how how long would it take Freddy Krueger to
Speaker 1: take out Chucky if that was a Freddy versus Chucky moon.
Speaker 5: The first two things you got on us know about
Speaker 5: Freddie one as I dropped that little sucker, But the
Speaker 5: other thing you have to know is if any of
Speaker 5: the other monsters fall asleep after they know or they
Speaker 5: know who I am. This is the whole point of
Speaker 5: Freddy versus Jason. But if they acknowledge me in my
Speaker 5: existence and they sleep, I've got that conduit into their
Speaker 5: subconsciousness and I can exploit. For instance, Jason's afraid of water,
Speaker 5: so I can exploit water. I can make it rain,
Speaker 5: you know, I can make them dream of drowning.
Speaker 6: Robert's been thinking about this alone.
Speaker 5: No, really, these are elements. These are elements in the world,
Speaker 5: fire and water and air. And that's what Jason's fear is.
Speaker 2: He is I here? Where's he from? Cam Crystal Lake?
Speaker 5: So it's just that that that's if they follow us,
Speaker 5: I've got them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 6: I love that the nose comes in, Are there?
Speaker 4: I I that is so creepy to hear you say that.
Speaker 4: I love it, though, creepy in a really, really good way.
Speaker 4: I'm curious if you had to pick both of you
Speaker 4: your all time favorite horror movie, you can only pick one.
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm going to say, just because I've been asked
Speaker 6: this question a lot, and It's the first horror movie
Speaker 6: that I really loved and was scared by his Wizard
Speaker 6: of Oz because for a little kid, that one was
Speaker 6: terrifying to see that and the trees that come alive,
Speaker 6: and the flying monkeys and the Wicked Witch and everything
Speaker 6: that happens at Oz. I think that that one really
Speaker 6: set in motion my great fear and the first character
Speaker 6: I ever played as an actor was like a wicked
Speaker 6: Witch kind of character when I was seven years old,
Speaker 6: and I totally modeled myself on that witch. So that's
Speaker 6: my favorite and most influential horror movie.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 5: For me, it's Brian De Palmer's nineteen seventy four film Sisters,
Speaker 5: low budget, starring Margot Kidder, Lois Lang from Superman as
Speaker 5: Simese twins from French speaking Quebec in Montreal, Canada, and.
Speaker 2: A great great actor.
Speaker 5: William Finley playing my favorite mad doctor ever. He's the
Speaker 5: mad doctor who falls in love with his Siamese twin
Speaker 5: patient and he's got to cut them and separate them
Speaker 5: so he can have his for himself. It's just a
Speaker 5: terrific film. Some of the best split screen editing and
Speaker 5: parallelism I've ever seen in.
Speaker 3: Movies amazing early to Palma. We cannot wait.
Speaker 4: We will be checking out, and we are just so
Speaker 4: honored to have the two of you here. It was
Speaker 4: such a wonderful surprise and so well timed, not just
Speaker 4: with Halloween.
Speaker 3: But with our recent air travel.
Speaker 4: I just I'm still kind of like in shock that
Speaker 4: you all are sitting in front of us. So I mean,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, my teenage self would be dying right
Speaker 4: now because I was so obsessed with these movies, and
Speaker 4: so many people still are, and all to your credit,
Speaker 4: Wes Craven's credit.
Speaker 3: But thank you all so much for being read.
Speaker 6: Thank you Amy, thank you maj thank you so much
Speaker 6: for having us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you, hey you, Qutie Piere.
Speaker 1: Okay, no, we got to land on a better note
Speaker 1: than that. Say say something, Sep, Robert, whatever.
Speaker 6: You do, don't fall asleep.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, guys, love you so much. Thank you.
Speaker 1: We'll see you in the next nightmare, all right, Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 3: Bye,