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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: It's the Almost Famous podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yes we have teased it, Yes we have waited for it,

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Speaker 3: and we are excited for it. Two really incredible people,

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Speaker 3: big deals coming out of Bachelor Nation and have made

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Speaker 3: bigger names for themselves. Now we have Jojo and Jordan

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Speaker 3: with us. Welcome to Almost Famous for the first time.

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Speaker 4: Wow, I feel honored to be on the stage.

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Speaker 5: Hold on, guys.

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Speaker 6: Jojo was actually on the podcast before, but she was

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Speaker 6: only with me.

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Speaker 7: Oh that's why.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Why did I get nervous? What happened?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: It was like a girl chat time. It was I

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Speaker 6: don't know what were we promoting anything? Were we just recapping?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? So like this.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's the first time all the boys are

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Speaker 6: in our presence.

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Speaker 3: So okay, Well, one of the I guess I'm wrong

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Speaker 3: in my assumption then, because one of my assumptions was

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Speaker 3: that Jojo and Jordan always denied the request to come

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Speaker 3: on this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Is that No, that was my assumption, because you haven't

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Speaker 2: been here. Is that not true? Oh? Dang, well, I'm

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Speaker 2: glad we asked you.

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Speaker 3: Now, we should have had you on so many times before.

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Speaker 3: I'm really excited you both are here. I respect you

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Speaker 3: both a lot. I've became a big fan of Jordan

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Speaker 3: because I watch you most saturdays of my life. And Jojo,

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Speaker 3: obviously I think the world of and so it's a

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Speaker 3: big deal that you're here. We have a lot to

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Speaker 3: break down. You are up to a lot in life.

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Speaker 3: But let's start back.

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Speaker 2: At the beginning, if we can.

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Speaker 3: If you can remember six years ago, Jojo, you participated

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Speaker 3: in season twenty of The Bachelor, which I just happened

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Speaker 3: to be a part of.

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Speaker 4: I do remember that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a great time in life because then

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Speaker 3: you became the Bachelor and Jordan, so leading up to

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Speaker 3: that decision to marry a wonderful man, can we go

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Speaker 3: back to And I think I want to ask it

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Speaker 3: this way because the listeners of this are fanatics for

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Speaker 3: The Bachelor. They've listened to us talk about The Bachelor

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Speaker 3: for almost seven years. How I mean and I think

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Speaker 3: you two are the best example. How real is this experience?

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Speaker 3: And let's start with your season of The Bachelor. What

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Speaker 3: you were learning about yourself along the way, what it

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Speaker 3: felt like to leave Jamaica and.

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Speaker 2: Go What in the world was this whole thing about

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Speaker 2: and let's stop there, because then I have some follow ups.

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Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, let's go back down memory lane. You know, guys,

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Speaker 4: when I went on the Bachelor, then we had many

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Speaker 4: conversations about this. I was coming off of a previous

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Speaker 4: relationship that I knew was not good for me, I

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Speaker 4: knew was unhealthy. I think it really chipped away at

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Speaker 4: me and who I was as a woman and my confidence.

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Speaker 4: And so going onto that season, there were some walls

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Speaker 4: that I think I had up and nerves and anxiety,

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Speaker 4: and just going through it, I think along the way

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Speaker 4: and having you as the Bachelor in our relationship that formed,

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Speaker 4: I think I like grew a little bit. I think

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Speaker 4: that I started to remember what I deserved and the

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Speaker 4: type of guys that were out there, and so as

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Speaker 4: you know, like that was a real experience for me,

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Speaker 4: it was for you, was for everybody that was involved,

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Speaker 4: and I think that it was just kind of like

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Speaker 4: a growing journey for me and a realization that like,

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Speaker 4: I don't ever have to settle right and Ben, you

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Speaker 4: were a great example of that. You know, we ended

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Speaker 4: on that last day in Jamaica. I thought I was

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Speaker 4: going up to that altar and getting a ring, and

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Speaker 4: obviously it didn't end that way, but you know, everything

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Speaker 4: happens for a reason. And I remember leaving that day

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Speaker 4: and the exact feeling. I was like, wait, what, Like

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Speaker 4: it was just such a I couldn't even process. It

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Speaker 4: was like a shock moment that lasted for a bit.

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Speaker 4: I can stop there, or I can keep going.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's good because it is a

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Speaker 3: it's a weird thing when you're on this show. And

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Speaker 3: so obviously if people can't remember that far back, I

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Speaker 3: did end up with Lauren. I am happily married now

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Speaker 3: to somebody that was not anywhere close to my season,

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Speaker 3: nor has she ever watched it, which is so good

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Speaker 3: for me. But then when Laura and I broke up,

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Speaker 3: and I wonder if these are the same feelings, and Jordan,

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Speaker 3: you can't relate with this because you just skipped out

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Speaker 3: of this thing real happy and never gotten there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I had a long period of time, maybe over a

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Speaker 3: year of my life where I was like, what was

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Speaker 2: Like, what was this whole thing about?

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Speaker 3: And so obviously, Jojo, you became the bachelorette soon after,

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Speaker 3: but in that limbo stage, did you have those same

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Speaker 3: feelings of what was what is this whole thing? You know?

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Speaker 4: I think I took a lot away even though it

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Speaker 4: ended in heartbreak for me, and it was something that

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Speaker 4: that I grew, Like I knew that I was coming

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Speaker 4: back home although heartbroken. I knew I was never going

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Speaker 4: let into my life before. And I think, and I

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Speaker 4: say this to this day, like going through that experience

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Speaker 4: on the Bachelor, it changed my life in so many ways.

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Speaker 4: It changed my life for my personal self development, my growth,

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Speaker 4: what I wanted, what I knew I deserved. So I

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Speaker 4: didn't ever look at it like why the heck did

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Speaker 4: I go through that and it ended this way? I

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Speaker 4: just think that it was I was shocked that I

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Speaker 6: Know, Jordan, when this is going on with Jojo, what

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Speaker 6: are you doing? Are you watching her getting heartbroken on

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Speaker 6: Ben's season hoping that she's the Bachelor?

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Speaker 7: At No, I'd never watched any of it, so like

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Speaker 7: completely oblivious to the entire thing happening. And then you

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Speaker 7: guys know, like a lot of the way you end

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Speaker 7: up on that show is there's casting and they go

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Speaker 7: They fly a bunch of people out to LA they

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Speaker 7: kind of dwindle it down to twenty five. I wasn't

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Speaker 7: a part of any of that. So literally, ten days easy,

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Speaker 7: ten days before film started for The Bachelorette, I got

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Speaker 7: a call from Bennett out of the blue, Completely out

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Speaker 5: I had executive producer I could dated.

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Speaker 7: Show, and they had kind of reached out to my

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Speaker 7: working on that show. I didn't go on that show.

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Speaker 7: They didn't want me. My name got passed along to

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Speaker 7: you single? And I'm like yeah. Like he's like, you

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Speaker 7: And he's like, well, I got this great girl. He's like, look,

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Speaker 7: I'm not going to tell you're going to fall in love,

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Speaker 7: but if you want to go have some fun for

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Speaker 7: a couple of weeks, travel a little bit. I think

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Speaker 7: it'd be really cool. And then and I kind of

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Speaker 7: I was living in Nashville at the time, training quarterbacks

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Speaker 7: why not? But I made that decision a couple of

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Speaker 7: just watch an episode, like let's see, you know, because

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Speaker 7: we didn't even know who the bachelorette was going to

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Speaker 7: be at that point. It was either Jojo or Kayla.

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Speaker 7: And they were kind of like, didn't know my name had.

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Speaker 4: Never at that point it was only Kaylea. Everyone thought

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Speaker 4: it was Kayla for so long.

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Speaker 7: So I fill up episode with and I'm watching Ben

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Speaker 7: and Jojo. I think you guys were like in like

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Speaker 2: Water under the bridge now.

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Speaker 7: So we're I'm watching and I'm going I think it's Kayla,

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Speaker 7: Like she's cool, she's attractive, she seems really funny. I

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Speaker 7: And I'm like, you know, maybe I just like shoot

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Speaker 7: And I was like kind of like thinking like, oh,

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Speaker 7: I was locked in a hotel room at the time

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Speaker 7: and thinking Jojo was pretty cute. But that was kind

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Speaker 6: I had no idea, and Jojo was a surprise bachelorette

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Speaker 6: because usually the runner up doesn't get picked to be

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Speaker 2: Oh and it was. Yeah, it was super super there

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying, it was like, I remember when Jojo

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Speaker 3: was like, Okay, this is just some nothing I have

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Speaker 3: to watch now, right, And then I was with Lauren

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Speaker 3: at the time, and she didn't want to watch it

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Speaker 3: because typically, and Jordan, thank you for this, the people

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Speaker 3: and they're like, been such a terrible dude, how could

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Speaker 3: he do this to you? You know, oh gosh, like

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to be the been to you or

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Speaker 3: all these you know, things that happen every season. I

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Speaker 3: was like, I don't have to hear that, and Laura

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Speaker 3: doesn't have to watch it, and we're both like, good,

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Speaker 3: I think JoJo's amazing, but I don't want to see

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Speaker 3: her on TV again. That would be too real for me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I think at.

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Speaker 4: The time too, because Ben, you know, I don't know

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Speaker 4: if you even know this, Like Lauren had reached out

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Speaker 4: to me a couple of times after you guys got together,

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Speaker 4: because I think she was struggling with some with the

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Speaker 4: me because I was also kind of grieving the loss

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Speaker 4: of our relationship but also wanting to be a good

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Speaker 2: I have no clue how I could have done this.

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Speaker 4: You couldn't have because no one has ever had to

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, that's all right, and you guys were

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Speaker 3: Would you expect that. I mean, Jojo, like the two

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Speaker 4: didn't know how to and we just were different. We

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00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 4: communicate very differently, we handle conflict very differently, and so

439
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 4: that was a big learning process for us.

440
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 7: Well, I think, I think too, Like a lot of

441
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 7: it has to do with your storyline on the show

442
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,439
Speaker 7: as well, right and pitying me and Robbie together. Behind

443
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 7: the scenes, Jojo was kind of getting primed that I

444
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 7: was the one that you don't know what's going to

445
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 7: happen when he gets fame or whatever, you know what

446
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 7: I mean? Like I was the one that she had

447
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 7: worried about, who's he going to be? Can I trust him?

448
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 7: And so after the show there was you have to

449
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 7: break those Yes, you met and you know each other

450
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,239
Speaker 7: for nine weeks, but you guys know this, like then

451
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 7: real life hits and you really start to like really

452
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 7: know somebody. And also like when you read something on

453
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 7: a magazine, Yeah, you know it's a magazine, but you

454
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 7: also haven't ever is that true? Is it not true?

455
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 7: I had those conversations you don't know this person beyond

456
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 7: the bubble that we were in. So building trust and

457
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 7: building the real aspect of our relationship was kind of

458
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 7: difficult because of what it looked like and the storyline

459
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 7: and what she was feeling and what kind of our

460
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 7: storyline on the show was. Like I was the one

461
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 7: that I don't know, she didn't know if I was

462
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 7: going to propose because I didn't didn't ask her dad

463
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 7: when I was supposed to ask her dad, like you know,

464
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 7: so I was always the one there was a question

465
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 7: mark about. I kind of had to like fight really

466
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 7: hard to like, no, that's not like you can trust me, like,

467
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 7: and so that was just a part of our relationship.

468
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 7: I think that with the communication with the real life,

469
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 7: with the pressure of it, it just it spiraled and

470
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 7: it was very tough for that first year period. Like,

471
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 7: it wasn't super fun. There were fun parts, but it

472
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 7: was hard.

473
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Speaker 2: Do you remember the hurdle that you guys crossed that

474
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 2: kind of.

475
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 3: Led you then to being like, no, this is right

476
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 3: and I do trust you.

477
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Speaker 2: Is there a moment a time?

478
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember this so vividly. We had moved into

479
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 4: this the first house that we obviously were living in together,

480
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 4: a small, tiny little house. We had been fighting and

481
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 4: we would have we had this like blow up fight,

482
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 4: like and it scared me because it reminded me of

483
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 4: a toxic relationship I had in my past, and that

484
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 4: was I told myself to day that I left Jamaica.

485
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 4: I would never allow that into my life again, Like

486
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 4: that was not not it for me. And I remember

487
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 4: that one fight had gotten to that level and I

488
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 4: was like, oh, no, I think did I leave or

489
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 4: did you leave? I think I left.

490
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 7: We remember were multiple times we both like left out,

491
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 7: like I needed.

492
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,479
Speaker 4: To get away, and we were like, man, this is

493
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:40,479
Speaker 4: not good good. And so that day we came we

494
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 4: both came into the living room and we were like,

495
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 4: we have to figure this out.

496
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 7: It was in very like you know in those fights. No,

497
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 7: it was like we were broken, We were sad. It

498
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 7: was like this is not good for us as individuals,

499
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 7: like like like either we need to be I love

500
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 7: you and and go our separate ways because it's can

501
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 7: be better for each of us as human beings, or

502
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 7: we need to figure out like why we chose each

503
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 7: other in the first place. Those good parts and also

504
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 7: realized that we got a lot of shit to grow

505
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 7: up on, We had a lot of to grow and

506
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 7: we have a lot of work to do to get

507
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 7: to a point where this is healthy and it's supposed

508
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 7: to be what we both wanted out of it. And

509
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 7: I was about a year in. Yeah, that it was

510
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 7: kind of that crossroads. We're like, okay, like we can

511
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 7: take this road and we'll still love each other and

512
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 7: respect each other. We tried, we really did, and it

513
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 7: was sad and we were broken. Or we can say, hey, no,

514
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 7: we're going to lean into this and like actively make

515
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 7: that choice on a daily basis, be intentional about it.

516
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 7: So that was tough, though.

517
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 3: Do you think looking back, like you both came into

518
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 3: that wanting it to work still or either of you like, no,

519
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,479
Speaker 3: this is not going to work. Like I'm trying to

520
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 3: say okay for a listener out there who is not

521
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 3: in a toxic relationship. Yeah, but it's trying to navigate,

522
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 3: Hey can I make this thing work?

523
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: Right?

524
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: I've been married now for almost two years a year

525
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 3: and a half actually as of like next week, and

526
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 3: it's not easy, right, And my wife is an incredible

527
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 3: human who has the purest soul, But it's not easy

528
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 3: to navigate, and it's it's not always roses in our household.

529
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: But the reason it works is because we both have

530
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 3: the spirit of no we're we're in this now, like

531
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 3: we're going to make this work. And so going back

532
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: to that conversation after a year together, what was the

533
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 3: spirit behind everything that kind of helped you move forward?

534
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 4: Well, I kind of just want to make a quick

535
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 4: clarification on the toxic park because I wouldn't say like

536
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 4: we never had like this is what when I say

537
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 4: toxic and how it relates to our relationship. Wasn't like

538
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 4: really bad things were happen, like I was doing something

539
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 4: or he was doing something. It was the inability to

540
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 4: navigate and work through conflict and allowing it to just

541
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 4: kind of escalate. There was never a de escalation that

542
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 4: we were able to figure out, and it could have

543
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 4: been something so small, and so I knew and we

544
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 4: both knew like that would that's not sustainable, Like that's

545
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 4: not healthy, it's not it's not going to be something

546
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 4: we can do long term. And so when we came

547
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 4: into that conversation, we both knew how much we loved

548
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 4: each other, but it was a real like do you

549
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 4: want this is? Do you believe this is what's best

550
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 4: for you? And who I am as a person, who

551
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 4: you are as a person. And I think we both

552
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 4: went into that. Like you said, Ben, is like we

553
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 4: both agree that this was what we wanted, and we

554
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 4: both knew that it was going to take a lot

555
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 4: of work on each side, a lot of compromise, and

556
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 4: just a lot of kind of I think self awareness,

557
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 4: and a lot of situations that maybe we both didn't have.

558
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,479
Speaker 4: But I will say after that moment, we actively and

559
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 4: intentionally worked and all the things that we knew were

560
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 4: are struggles, which I think the biggest one of the

561
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 4: time was communication in conflict. Right, Like we were best friends,

562
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 4: we have the best time together day to day. It's

563
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,479
Speaker 4: like we love being with each other, but when we

564
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 4: have times we didn't.

565
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 7: Know how to argue, not how to argue people that

566
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 7: in relationship. But I think's interesting that you guys can

567
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 7: probably relate to this, and I think in a way

568
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 7: like anybody can relate to this, is when you come

569
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 7: off the show, there is an avents pressure, yep to

570
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 7: be together and be happy and be perfect, not because

571
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 7: you want to and you obviously should want to, but

572
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 7: because that's what it's supposed to look like. And so

573
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 7: I think that moment, when we came to that point,

574
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 7: it was almost like, Okay, screw that pressure, because that

575
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 7: pressure was what made us solve some issues and come

576
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 7: to agreements and compromise because like, no, no, we have

577
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 7: to fix this because we're expected to, We're expected to

578
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 7: be happy, we're expected to be a good couple. In

579
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 7: that moment we came to it, it's okay, we need

580
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 7: to choose this because we want to, not because there's

581
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 7: a pressure too. I think that was a big difference

582
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 7: because for a long time, we put on a good

583
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 7: face when it wasn't super great, which you kind of

584
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 7: have to it sometimes, and we fix things because we

585
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 7: felt like we needed to. And there's the immense pressure

586
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 7: of everyone saying how good to a couple you were,

587
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 7: when behind the scenes you're like, wow, it's not that good.

588
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 7: And so we chose they were like in that moment,

589
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 7: it's like no, no, yeah, I get the pressures there,

590
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 7: but that like, we need to do this because we

591
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 7: want to, and if we want to, then we actually

592
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 7: will make those changes for us, not for anybody else.

593
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 4: But I wouldn't also say that we made decis to

594
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 4: stay together for other people. But it was that that

595
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 4: pressure that we had added to the stress and a relationship.

596
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 4: I didn't want to go to my mom and tell

597
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 4: her all the issues that I'm I didn't want to

598
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 4: go to my best friend because I never wanted them

599
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 4: to look at him in a poor light, you know,

600
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 4: And so I didn't feel like I had this outlet

601
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 4: to like vent because it right, we had just gone

602
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 4: engage on this crazy situation scenario, whatever you want to

603
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 4: call it, and we fought for that relationship because we

604
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 4: believed in it, But we didn't have those outlets that

605
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 4: we felt like we could normally have, right because we

606
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 4: felt like eyes were always on us, or we didn't

607
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 4: people to like misconstrue something or run with it. So

608
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 4: it was just that was an added pressure.

609
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 5: When did you feel like it started to get good?

610
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 4: Honestly, like right after that, And I will I can't

611
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 4: say I think right after because it was the most

612
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,479
Speaker 4: real moment that we had that we knew if we

613
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 4: were to ever end up in another conflict, we were

614
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 4: both so like in that moment, we I don't think we've.

615
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 7: Ever had a more We felt like a true team

616
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 7: after that, so like as opposed to arguments where like

617
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 7: someone was trying to be right prove their point, it

618
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 7: was like we still do that right everybody does, but

619
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 7: like we felt like we were in it together at

620
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 7: that point, not for any other reason, not for any

621
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 7: other purpose, but just because we wanted it not bad.

622
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 7: And I think that we looked at everything through that

623
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 7: context from there on out, which I think really helped.

624
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's uh, And I think it's it's very relatable

625
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: because I think, you know, in my relationship, I'm sure

626
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 3: Ashley has that moment too, where you have something either

627
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 3: good or bad, but all of a sudden, you look

628
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: at this person you go, we're a team, Like we're

629
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 3: in this together. This is good, We're going to make

630
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: this work. We're both better for it. And it kind

631
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: of feels like the skies open up. Everything gets a

632
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 3: little brighter, like the way of being right or the

633
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: way of the pressure is lifted because now you've got

634
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: your teammate.

635
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: And I think that the show does play a role

636
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: in this.

637
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 3: And you know, for as much as you know Ashley

638
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: and I still sit here seven years later and talk

639
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 3: about this show and break down the show and interview

640
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: people from the show, there's parts of the show that

641
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: still keep us very excited about the show. And it

642
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: is these real moments and knowing that the behind the

643
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: scenes of this is sometimes tough, but also it is

644
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 3: worth it when it works out. And I remember many moments.

645
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: I mean most moments I remember are moments where, yeah,

646
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 3: you know, Laura and I would be doing great and

647
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: then we'd have something going on in our life and

648
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden we have to jump in

649
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 3: a car and drive to an interview, or jump in

650
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: a car and go to an event, and it was

651
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 3: like the weight on that is like, wait, we haven't

652
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: fixed this. There's no healing from the thing we just

653
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 3: said to each other. And now we're going five to

654
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 3: six hours standing around each other and taking pictures and

655
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 3: smiling until we can talk about it again. And maybe

656
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: we won't even talk about it again, and it will

657
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 3: just like compound on each other.

658
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: Oh you day over day over day.

659
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 3: And so I get it, like you don't have the

660
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 3: skill sets sometimes in relationships, and it's beautiful when you

661
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 3: can work that out. And I think you guys are

662
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: a testament that because you are open about the difficulties

663
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: of this right publicly, you've definitely spoke about how hard

664
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 3: this was, and so people fans and also past contestants

665
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: like myself got to see that and go I get

666
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: it and they're gonna make it work.

667
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's so true. I think it's important though too.

668
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 4: You know when people always ask about like what, it's

669
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 4: hard to kind of give that advice if you will,

670
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 4: to the next bachelorette or the next bachelor, because you

671
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 4: don't ever want to say, like, it's gonna be some

672
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 4: really hard freaking time and kind of like damper it.

673
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 4: But it's kind of the truth. And I think that

674
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 4: like the more awareness and you know, comfortability was saying like, yeah,

675
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 4: it's gonna be tough, and you have to be comfortable

676
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 4: in the uncomfortable and work through it if it's something

677
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 4: that you want, Like that's real life, you know. So

678
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm thankful for that hardier looking back, because

679
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 4: I hope we would not be the couple and have

680
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 4: this relationship that we have today, which I'm so thankful

681
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 4: and blessed for if we didn't go through all that stuff,

682
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 4: you know, and didn't have to have that moment of

683
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 4: feeling so broken that we needed to make a real

684
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 4: true choice.

685
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 6: Can we talk about the reproposal when you got the

686
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 6: most amazing ring of all time and Jordan, why did

687
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 6: you choose to repropose.

688
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean so obviously as soon as you come

689
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 7: off the show. That's the only question you get right

690
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 7: when you get married, like and so simultaneous we just

691
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 7: talked about it. We were going through a really tough

692
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 7: part of our relationship, like that was not on the

693
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 7: table during that first year. We weren't talking about the wedding.

694
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 7: We were talking about staying together and like getting our

695
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 7: relationship healthy into a better place. And so we'd kind

696
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 7: of come out of that, and I really wanted two things.

697
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 7: I wanted the excitement again of something to look forward to,

698
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 7: something that felt authentic. And I wanted to do it

699
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 7: my way. I wanted to do it without Jojo having

700
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 7: that had just broke up with someone not sweating her

701
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 7: butt off on a beach in Thailand because she hates

702
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 7: being hot, Like you know, I wanted. I wanted to

703
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 7: buy my own ring I did. I wanted to go

704
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 7: ring shopping where I knew kind of what she wanted.

705
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 7: I wanted. I want to go do it my own,

706
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 7: on my own way. So that's what I did. And

707
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 7: it was a crazy story because it almost didn't happen

708
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 7: three or four times, like i'd I was doing TV

709
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 7: and Charlotte the night before for sports and I lied

710
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 7: to her. I told her that I was spending the

711
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 7: night there and catching a plane to LA Friday morning.

712
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 7: Really I was jumping to Nashville to pick up the

713
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 7: ring then that night and then flying from Nashville to

714
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 7: LA the next morning. And my flight got delayed till

715
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 7: three in the morning, didn't know if it was going

716
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 7: to take off. And I'm like, literally, all she has

717
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 7: to do is FaceTime me because I'm not at my

718
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 7: hotel room, I'm not in my bed. I am at

719
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 7: the airport. She facetimes me, and I decline it. That

720
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 7: is not a good print. Thanks, And I'm Michael, God,

721
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 7: please just don't FaceTime texture, you know, like, Hey, I'm

722
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 7: in bed, gonna get some sleep to get an early flight.

723
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 7: And I'm like, is my flight gonna take off? Like,

724
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 7: I'm not even gonna to national I'm not gonna have

725
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 7: a ring. I'm gonna like, can I tell you what?

726
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 4: In that moment, looking back, I realized, like this is

727
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 4: how I know I'm like in a very good relationship,

728
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 4: Like I'm not I'm not trying to hit you up

729
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 4: and asking where you are every second of the day.

730
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 4: There's like all that trust that was there, but you

731
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 4: were still sleeper nervous. I think it did help, though.

732
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 4: I was at Becca's house, and I think Becca knew

733
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 4: to Becca knows to me. She might have been kept

734
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 4: keeping me real busy, but I.

735
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 7: So anyways, we're at this We were actually looking at

736
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 7: wedding venues like that whole weekend, and so we went

737
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 7: to one that I knew wasn't gonna be a wedding

738
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 7: venue option, but it was literally you could see the

739
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 7: bachelor mansion from this little helicopter pad at this venue,

740
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 7: and so we're kind of, you know, we're kind of

741
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 7: just walking around looking, oh, this is where the ceremony

742
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 7: be cool, and I kind of like put my arm

743
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 7: around or I'm like, it's just so wasn't this isn't

744
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 7: this crazy? Like we're literally like a mile from where

745
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 7: we met, Like think about it. I started getting into

746
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 7: this kind of sappy and she's like, what are you doing.

747
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 7: She's like, get your arm off family sweating. But yeah,

748
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 7: it was important to me to just do it my way, like,

749
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 7: and it takes nothing away from the first proposal.

750
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 4: What are you laughing at the wedding venu tour guide.

751
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 4: One person was just that.

752
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 7: Come on yeah video, but it was it was And

753
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 7: I get this question a lot, But it doesn't mean

754
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 7: that the first proposal wasn't real or anything less. But

755
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 7: it was just an opportunity to do it like I

756
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 7: would have in real life with nobody else there the

757
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 7: pressure in the the anxiety of doing it, picking out

758
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 7: a ring and doing all that.

759
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 4: So it was actually fun for me too because I

760
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 4: was had no clue what was happening.

761
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: Like, I know you weren't engaged. You're like, but that.

762
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 7: Morning too, I like put on a collared shirt and

763
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 7: Ben we were talking earlier, like I don't wear this.

764
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 7: We're doing a press tour today, I'd be wearing air

765
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 7: and she's like, I'm like, yeah, you know. I thought,

766
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 7: I you know a little bit for looking at venues

767
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 7: and I was like, is that what you're wearing?

768
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 4: Sweaty ponytail?

769
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 7: Like you're gonna wear that?

770
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 5: I'm like, bro back up you and gorgeous all the time.

771
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 6: You guys got a lot of stress put on you

772
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 6: from Bachelor Nation for waiting so long to get married.

773
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 5: Were you guys together for six years before the wedding?

774
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 4: It was our six year engagement anniversary on our rehearsal

775
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 4: dinner night the week. Yeah.

776
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 7: I tried to do it two years earlier. We tried

777
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 7: to do it in twenty twenty. I work in the fall,

778
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 7: so falls kind of off the table and the venue.

779
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 4: We kind of had to but we knew we wanted

780
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 4: to have a long engagement.

781
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

782
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 7: Well yeah we needed that.

783
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 6: But you were like the youngest bachelor at ever at

784
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 6: the time. Didn't she get engaged twenty five five?

785
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 5: Yeah? I think you were the youngest at that point.

786
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jojo and I started the trend that everybody hated

787
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 3: because I was what twenty five turning twenty six or

788
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 3: twenty six years building?

789
00:36:59,560 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 7: Is?

790
00:36:59,640 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 4: It was?

791
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 7: Ay, it's like a batcheler was like thirty something.

792
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, and then we got really young, like it

793
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: went young and then they had to like.

794
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: Really work ari that they're ari in there.

795
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: Like the age back. I think it's so fun that

796
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: you did it, Jojo. So you're confused, Oh, I knowing

797
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: you this is funny. So you're confused because he's acting

798
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: funny and then he does it. Is it as special

799
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 3: to you in that moment as you think he thought

800
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: it could be.

801
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 4: It was more special to me in the moment. It

802
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 4: was just so real, right, it was like that funny

803
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 4: like having zero clue that it was going to happen,

804
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 4: and then just realizing this is something he's been thinking

805
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 4: about for a long time, and then hearing the crazy

806
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 4: story of.

807
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 7: Ott I hadn't slept.

808
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's rr so.

809
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 7: Like my flight ended up taking off Regardletts at two

810
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 7: forty five am. I landed in Nashville like three something,

811
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,959
Speaker 7: drove rented a car, drove straight to my buddy's house

812
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 7: that had the ring that I'd shipped to him, grabbed

813
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 7: the ring, drove straight back to the airport for a

814
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 7: five fifteen am flight to La. Landed in La, had

815
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 7: to drive to the venue to make sure someone was

816
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 7: gonna be there because they bring me back, and then

817
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 7: drove to Becca's house to pick up Jojo. So zero

818
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 7: sleep at all and have to act like everything's good.

819
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 4: He's is really good at day. Oh he's super sweet.

820
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 4: I had no idea and it was kind of it's fun, right,

821
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 4: like we had this cool experience getting engaged the way

822
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 4: we did on the show, but you didn't really get

823
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 4: that true, Like I'm gonna plan this engagement right, I

824
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 4: don't know, I'm gonna pick out the ring, and so

825
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 4: knowing that he did that and knowing that I got

826
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 4: to experience like.

827
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 3: Both, Yeah, he loves you a lot, Jojo, obviously, but

828
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 3: there's funny things.

829
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: It's just funny, Jordan. I don't know.

830
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure you would do wild things for

831
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 3: Jojo today, like you would. You'd probably do that again

832
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 3: if if needed to be. But I remember that dating

833
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: season and just the links I was willing to go

834
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 3: for Jessica and the things I was willing to do

835
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: to make sure she knew how much I loved her,

836
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: And like the.

837
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 4: Airport when we saw it and that was the first

838
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 4: time you were going to meet her.

839
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 5: I was, oh my gosh, what a time to run

840
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 5: into bed.

841
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 2: It was wild and I'm like, what are you doing here?

842
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 4: He's like, I actually been talking to this girl and

843
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 4: I'm going to meet her and her family, I think,

844
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 4: right for the first time.

845
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, she picked me up from the airport that day.

846
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 3: So like it was funny because I remember calling my

847
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 3: buddies and be like, you'll never guess what just happened

848
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 3: to me, Like, what a weird time in my life.

849
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 3: I am getting ready to meet this girl who I

850
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: am head over heels for who we facetimed, and but

851
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: I don't know her family.

852
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: I've never met them.

853
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: And I'm in the airport and I'm freaking out because

854
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: I'm just landing literally yes seconds, I think I just

855
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 3: got my bags, like I was walking out the door

856
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 3: kind of taking a breather to be like, Okay, this

857
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: is going to happen.

858
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: And then here comes Jojo and Jordan, and I'm like,

859
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: you gotta.

860
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 5: Be shooting me.

861
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 7: Now. The first time we had really talked because only

862
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 7: for that iHeart thing. It was good, it was it

863
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 7: was a weird situation.

864
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: It was too soon, too soon, we weren't doing it,

865
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: and I was like, you got to be kidding me.

866
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 3: I don't know what God is telling me right now,

867
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: but something weird and I don't know how to process it.

868
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: But it all works out, and it all works out

869
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 3: in the end. Well before we transition here into and

870
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: thank you guys for having this conversation and being so

871
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: open about it. And it's a lot of fun to

872
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 3: talk to the two of you.

873
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: It really is.

874
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 3: And it also, you know, I want to say this

875
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 3: before we transition into something that is really exciting for

876
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 3: the two of you.

877
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 4: Uh.

878
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 2: The reason and I mean this.

879
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: Deeply, the reason that my time on the Bachelor is

880
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: still something that I hold. So it's such a good

881
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 3: season of life is in a lot large part to you, Jojo,

882
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: like you are an incredible human. One of the toughest

883
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: things after the show for me and trying to navigate

884
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 3: the madness, was that I had nothing but amazing things

885
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 3: to say about you.

886
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: Had been so much easier.

887
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: If I could have been like, yeah, it's obvious why

888
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: I didn't choose Jojoe. She's crazy, she's a terrible human.

889
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: But it was the complete opposite in my life, And

890
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 3: so there was this weird thing where I never had

891
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 3: anything but amazing things to say about you because that's

892
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: how I fell, which also made it harder in these

893
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 3: interviews and in these conversations with Lauren, and so thank

894
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 3: you for being you. Thank you for being you post show,

895
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: and I'm so happy for the two of you. Now

896
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 3: just see how this whole thing plays out.

897
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 4: Same to you, Ben, honestly, you know how I feel

898
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 4: about that. I mean, you made the experience going into

899
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 4: the Bachelorette one that was very hopeful for me. So appreciate.

900
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: Before we do transition to the big deal. I gotta

901
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 2: ask you, Jojo.

902
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 3: One of the coolest parts about my time on The

903
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 3: Bachelor was watching your friendships unfold and you mentioned Becca.

904
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: Here are you guys still close to this day?

905
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 3: Can you give us an update on your friendship with

906
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: Becca and what you think of her relationship with Haley

907
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: and all the stuff they're up to.

908
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 4: My very best friend, right, Like, it's pretty wild that

909
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 4: this is somebody that I met this season the Bachelor,

910
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 4: who is now she's like family right to me. It's like,

911
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 4: we will be connected, soul sisters, if you will, for

912
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 4: the rest of our for our lives. But yeah, I

913
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: think that was one of the most amazing things that

914
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 4: came out of our season. It was our relationship. And

915
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 4: I get emotional. I don't know why when I talk

916
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 4: about Becca, I mean because that girl is one of

917
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 4: you guys. Know, She's one of the most incredible, the

918
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 4: most incredible human being that deserves every ounce of love

919
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 4: that she so freely gives to everybody in her life.

920
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 4: And so seeing her relationship with Haley evolve and grow

921
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 4: and to see where it is today and how much

922
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 4: she's grown and is able to showcase that love in

923
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 4: such a powerful, proud way makes me the happiest I

924
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 4: could ever be.

925
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 6: Yes. Yeah, seeing their contown and Instagram is just like, Wow,

926
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 6: you guys could not be cuter and more in love

927
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 6: After five years.

928
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 4: Hailey had the cutest relationship and it makes me.

929
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 6: So Yeah, Hailey's so awesome. She's just really easy to

930
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 6: talk to you. I've only hung out with her a

931
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 6: number of times, but I'm so comfortable with her every time.

932
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 4: Amazing.

933
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 6: Before we do talk about your show, The Big D,

934
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 6: I want one question about, like, how how you guys

935
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 6: have become different people throughout your time together.

936
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 5: Jordan.

937
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 6: How do you feel like Jojo has changed since you

938
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 6: guys got together and then vice versa.

939
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 4: Wow, this is a great question. Hard hitting is.

940
00:43:54,920 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 7: Hard, We're tough here, changed.

941
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 5: Like a vault.

942
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I think she mm hmm, but I have one.

943
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 7: You have it? No go no, no go, you have.

944
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 4: No I will say what I think. This is a

945
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 4: good thing, So I don't look at me weird, I think, Jordan,

946
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 4: to be honest, when we first got together, it was

947
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 4: just it it felt so tense. I think through the

948
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 4: throughout the last six seven years, I have seen you

949
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 4: just kind of break down your walls a little bit

950
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 4: and become a softer person a little bit. I think

951
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 4: that you've become like more patient and more like because

952
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 4: it's something that I practice and preach all the time.

953
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 4: It's just like that patience, the kindness, that the overly

954
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 4: like whatever. And I think it was really hard in

955
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 4: the beginning to showcase that because we were in such

956
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 4: a stressful period of our life, or he was getting

957
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 4: a has every other day on his character, which was

958
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 4: so unfair to him because it was based on nothing

959
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 4: that I think it created this like hardness, you know,

960
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 4: almost to him right where it was it was harder

961
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 4: for him to be this softer had that softer side

962
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 4: come on. I it's just like night and day. And

963
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 4: that's how I think he really solved.

964
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 7: I think Jojo from it's from an like her strength

965
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 7: and independence I think is something that I knew she

966
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 7: was before, but like she is so fully autonomous when

967
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 7: she needs to be, She is so independent, she is

968
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 7: so strong. I don't think she ever saw that in herself,

969
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 7: and I think that was a progression of seeing her

970
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 7: believe how self sufficient she is and can be, both

971
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 7: in business, both in a relationship and friendships with who

972
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 7: she is. So I feel like I've seen her really

973
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 7: become who I saw her and see herself that way.

974
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 7: And I think that's an evolution of like believing in

975
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 7: yourself of trusting yourself confidence. But I think it's also

976
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 7: like finding your identity after this crazy thing happens, and

977
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 7: like who you are and who you're going to be

978
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 7: and what you want your life to look like and

979
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 7: the person you're going to be. And I think, like

980
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 7: I love her so much, but I've seen her grow

981
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,479
Speaker 7: so much in that as a as a human being.

982
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 7: That's the biggest change because she was always like she

983
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 7: is the most selfless, loving person in the world. That

984
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 7: never changed. Like even me when I was being an

985
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 7: a hole and I'm stubborn early on, like she still

986
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 7: loved me. Me I'm a little more stubborn. I don't

987
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 7: need to talk to you today. She's not that way

988
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 7: like she is. She is just so forgiving and such

989
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 7: a lover. She was always that person. But I've definitely

990
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 7: seen her become a stronger, independent, more confident woman in

991
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 7: every aspect, like our relationship, but also just as a

992
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 7: business woman. Yeah, she's a boss.

993
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's a great transition into the big deed

994
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 3: because you know, I think Jordan, you know, what Jojo

995
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 3: was to us was one of the things that was

996
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 3: kind of implanted into her head as she was on

997
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 3: the show. Is this guy's about his fame, right, He's

998
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 3: he's gonna chase fame and he's gonna do this and Jojo.

999
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 3: The funny part, isn't it is that was the same

1000
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: thing that was being said to me about you, And yeah,

1001
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: who's she going to be after this show? Now here's

1002
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 3: something that's really cool. The two of you, I believe

1003
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 3: could be argued to have the best individual careers post

1004
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 3: Bachelor and Bachelorette as any couple or any person coming

1005
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 3: off with the franchise. You've made names for yourselves outside

1006
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 3: of it. Now you've done it, though without seeking the fame.

1007
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: There's never been once where I've been like, you aren't

1008
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: out there, you know, in the club and the red

1009
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 3: carpets and all these parties, just to be seen and

1010
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 3: to be known. You're doing it because you're both really

1011
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: good at it, you're both pros at it, and you

1012
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 3: should be doing it. And I said, okay, you obviously

1013
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 3: were gonna get famous after the show. You guys are

1014
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: huge personalities and great at what you do, but you've

1015
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 3: just done it really well and you've hand it really well,

1016
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: and I think the Big D is a representation of that.

1017
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 3: Can you just tell us a little bit about why

1018
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 3: you said yes to this project? And George, I would

1019
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 3: love to know within that as you explained it, was

1020
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: there ever hesitancy in your life knowing that JoJo's you know,

1021
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 3: told you're gonna be about fame and now you are

1022
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 3: on TV right you are hosting shows?

1023
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: Was there ever like that?

1024
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 3: I don't want to do this because I don't want

1025
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 3: to prove them, you know, right at some level.

1026
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: And how you navigated that mentally, the think's tough.

1027
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,479
Speaker 7: Like I think early on we both got into back

1028
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 7: into doing what we loved right after the show, and

1029
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 7: then we found out very early on, not just like

1030
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 7: renovating a house together or not not on TV, not

1031
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 7: on anything, just like putting each other in stressful situations

1032
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 7: and working together. We found out that that worked really

1033
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 7: well and we actually enjoyed it so like the fact

1034
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 7: that we got to do it on TV, like we

1035
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 7: love working together and we weren't sure the very first

1036
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 7: show we ever filmed together. We're kind of like, this

1037
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 7: is either going to be really fun or it's gonna

1038
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 7: be kind of tough, because like it's different to work

1039
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 7: where there's pressure to deliver, to study lines, to do

1040
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 7: things like that, and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't,

1041
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 7: even for good and bad relationships. But was unique when

1042
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 7: we got this idea of the show The Big D

1043
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 7: quick premise. It is divorce couples, whether a few months,

1044
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 7: few years, decade, haven't talked together, no relationship, have a relationship.

1045
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 7: Divorce couples move into a villa together and they're looking

1046
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 7: for love again, whether that's they're looking to date other

1047
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 7: people or maybe they would like to rekindle the relationship.

1048
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 7: They're looking to find that connection, work on themselves and

1049
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 7: see what happens. And so we're kin, yeah, and so

1050
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 7: we were kind of like at a time like, well,

1051
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 7: we're not divorce, We're actually about to get married, like

1052
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 7: you know, like what are we doing? And then we

1053
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 7: kind of sat back and go, you know what's interesting

1054
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 7: about us, all of us on here, is that we

1055
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 7: know what it's like to fall in love on TV,

1056
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 7: and we know that it actually can be real, like

1057
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 7: as crazy as that sounds, it can happen, and I

1058
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 7: think there was. There's reality shows, dating shows about everything.

1059
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 7: I don't think there's one that's really focused on divorce

1060
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 7: because a lot of times it's it's a negative stereotype,

1061
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 7: it's a taboo subject. It means the end of love,

1062
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 7: not the beginning. That's we want to break that.

1063
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 4: And I will say, right, it is kind of weird.

1064
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 4: And to Jordan's point, that was a unique part of

1065
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 4: this show because we hadn't seen that, seen that been,

1066
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 4: haven't seen that done? Yeah, oh wow, it's been a

1067
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 4: long day. But I will say, you know, no one

1068
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 4: gets married to get a divorce. No one does. No

1069
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 4: one ever has that a part of the plan. And

1070
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 4: so the six couples that are on the Big Deal,

1071
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 4: they all got married. Never in a million years thought

1072
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 4: it would end in a divorce, right. They all wanted

1073
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 4: this a perfect relationship. Some got married really young, some

1074
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 4: got married during the pandemic. There was a lot of

1075
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 4: different right before the pandemic, it wasn't that okay anyways,

1076
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 4: They all wanted their relationships to flourish and thrive, and

1077
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 4: unfortunately it didn't. And the reality is, sometimes it doesn't

1078
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 4: work out, but that doesn't mean that you have to

1079
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 4: give up on love and there can be hope after heartbreak.

1080
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 4: And obviously we can't speak to being divorced because we

1081
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 4: had just got we just got married. But I do

1082
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 4: think that there was an element of this show which

1083
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 4: really drew me to it. It's seeing people that like

1084
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 4: really needed that closure, that were really broken from the past,

1085
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 4: and we're just stuck not being able to move on.

1086
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 4: And I know, you know, for me, even just to

1087
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 4: break up after the show, right, like, all you want

1088
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 4: is to be able to open your heart again, to

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Speaker 4: find something new, and we were obviously able to do that.

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Speaker 4: So that was something that we were able to speak to.

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00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 4: And obviously it's dramatic, it's juicy. I'm not going to

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00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 4: sugarcoat that this happened.

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00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 7: There's actually there's there's two parts of the show that

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00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 7: Bachelorette fans, Bachelor Bachelrette fans and you guys are think

1095
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 7: what drawed me to it is, I think is interesting.

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00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 7: The first is that when we go on these shows

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00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 7: as single people, the Bachelor Bacherette, you can kind of

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00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 7: be who you want to be, right Joe just not

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00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 7: able to fact I tell her, like I make this

1100
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 7: much money, or I'm easy going, I don't stress, I

1101
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 7: super you know, I don't golf five days a week.

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00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 7: You know, you can be who you want to be

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00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 7: until they find out out on this show. On this show,

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00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 7: the big dealing directly going no, no, no no. He has

1105
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 7: an attitude, he yells, he golfs five days a week.

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00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 7: You know what I mean. So you have to be authentic.

1107
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 7: Your worst is out there. And so what was interesting

1108
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 7: about this is true connections formed quickly because going into it,

1109
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 7: you knew all you know, all the bad things. All

1110
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 7: you could do is talk to the X that's sitting

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00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 7: in the chair next to you. And the other thing

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00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 7: that I think is so interesting and I wish we

1113
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 7: would have had this is we have a relationship expert

1114
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 7: on the show, doctor Jada Jackson. She's amazing. We put

1115
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 7: them through exercises, communication, things, working on things, problem solving,

1116
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 7: but they're also able to have an unbiased opinion to

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00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 7: talk to somebody about, Wait, we got divorced because we

1118
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 7: couldn't do X.

1119
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 4: Y and Z.

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00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 7: What are the tools that we needed? So they can

1121
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 7: either fix those things and go, maybe we can do

1122
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 7: this again because we actually are armed with the tools

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Speaker 7: make this relationship work, or maybe the go okay, now

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00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 7: I know how to be better for the next relationship,

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00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 7: and then a new one can start. So those two

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00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 7: things make this really unique.

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00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 4: I gotta tell you guys, it's really and I hope

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00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 4: you watch the show because it's so The interesting, funniest

1129
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 4: part of this whole thing is like every dynamic of

1130
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 4: these ex couples it's so different.

1131
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 6: Right.

1132
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 4: You have two individuals who were married, ones that are

1133
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 4: like they show up on the beach and they're like,

1134
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 4: stay out of my way, get out of my face,

1135
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 4: single this and that. You have one that's like really

1136
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 4: wanting to fight for the relationship, the other one that's

1137
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 4: like no, goodbye, and all these different dynamics. You start

1138
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 4: to see them change. It's not all of them, but

1139
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 4: you start to see some of them evolve. You start

1140
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 4: seeing the one that thought they would never take a

1141
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 4: second look at their ex husband or ex wife again

1142
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 4: being like, wait a second, is this really over? It's crazy?

1143
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 5: This is so fun.

1144
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 4: Final, right, it's not something that you take.

1145
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: So is the goal to get uh?

1146
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess as hosts, is the goal for

1147
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 3: the two of you to get couples who have gone

1148
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 3: through divorce back together, or is the goal just to

1149
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 3: see everybody find love again or open back up, like

1150
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 3: what's your kind of what was your mindset?

1151
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: And helping them navigate this.

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00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,439
Speaker 4: I think for us, like we there's obviously reasons why

1153
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 4: people get a divorce, right, Sometimes it just really isn't

1154
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 4: the right relationship for you, right. So this was never

1155
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 4: about trying to force people back together. It was more

1156
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 4: so hoping that they are able to open their heart

1157
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 4: up again to love, because all these people come in

1158
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 4: saying that they haven't been able to move on from

1159
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 4: the past for one reason or another, or maybe find,

1160
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 4: you know, whatever it is that they're looking for. So

1161
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 4: it's really the goal is to end with one relation,

1162
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 4: one relationship, like a committed couple, whether that's a rekindled

1163
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 4: love or it's a new love. But it's really about closure,

1164
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 4: moving on from the past, letting go of the baggage

1165
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 4: that was stopping you from moving forward, whichever direction that is.

1166
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:54,959
Speaker 5: Where can we watch this and when?

1167
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 7: So it's going to be on USA Network. It'll be

1168
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 7: next Wednesday, June fourteenth. It actually airs right after Temptation Island.

1169
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 5: We're big t Oh so perfect.

1170
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 7: And it's on Peacock the next day so you can

1171
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 7: stream it out as well.

1172
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 2: This is really exciting.

1173
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 4: This isday on Wednesday on.

1174
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 2: Day Yeah, this is uh, this is exciting.

1175
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 3: I think this show will be really uh, really fun

1176
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 3: to watch and really exciting to watch the two if

1177
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 3: you do this again, you guys are pros. You're great

1178
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 3: at what you do. Jordan, I'm a big fan of you.

1179
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 3: I watch you on Saturdays. I appreciate just follow along

1180
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 3: getting prepped for well my day on the couch. You

1181
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 3: I always laugh, you gotta work, and I'm sitting on

1182
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 3: the couch like chilling being like.

1183
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 7: I think jell for those games so I can't.

1184
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're doing all right, and Jojo is so good

1185
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 3: to talk to you again, to catch up with you,

1186
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 3: to break down all the madness of the last you know,

1187
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 3: seven years of life. Our twenties are mid twenties into

1188
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 3: our thirties. I mean so much, o, guys, and I

1189
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 3: don't want to uh to not bring up once again

1190
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 3: that the two of you saw me two minutes before

1191
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 3: meeting my now wife.

1192
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 4: In personal something right that.

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Speaker 2: As a god well man, I don't know what. Yeah,

1194
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 2: I mean, it means I.

1195
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 4: Really do think that, like the past behind you, yeah,

1196
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 4: the past behinds, but like also we always wanted the

1197
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 4: best for each other. Yeah, whatever that looked like, that

1198
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 4: was like so important to both of us. And I

1199
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 4: think that we we we spoke to that every time

1200
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 4: that we could, and so to be together now, for

1201
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 4: you to now be married, and for us to have

1202
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 4: that quick moment before you met your future wife, I

1203
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 4: think that's a really cool thing.

1204
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 7: I also remember in that conversation with Ben and telling

1205
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 7: Joe was like I really like him. Yeah, And I

1206
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 7: think that was important for me, right, because like it

1207
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 7: shows me a lot about Jose's character that she could

1208
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 7: fall in love with someone like you, because I'm like,

1209
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 7: I get that, Like I understand that or much rather

1210
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 7: that be the case in someone. I'm like, wait, how

1211
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 7: did you like this guy? I mean I came a

1212
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 7: wait for them, Like, I get it, Like I really

1213
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 7: like Ben. I remember telling you that because that was

1214
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 7: our first time really talking. So I think that's pretty cool.

1215
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 3: It is, yeah, it is, well, it was great to

1216
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 3: see you know it is. It's just so wild. I

1217
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 3: think back and then and I remember getting in the

1218
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 3: car with Jessica. I think, oh, she felt jump in

1219
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 3: the car with Jessica and I'm like, I just ran

1220
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 3: into Jojo and Jordan. She's like, who are they? And

1221
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh goodness, I just got to sit for

1222
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 3: a second. It's good to see you. It's nice, nice

1223
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 3: to meet you. Well, you guys are great. Thanks for

1224
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 3: coming on bish the Best with the Big D again.

1225
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 3: It's airing Wednesday, June fourteenth on the USA Network. Please

1226
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 3: tune in and check it out. If you're a tempty,

1227
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 3: you can just keep the TV going. And if not

1228
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 3: and you want to watch it the next day, as

1229
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 3: they said, it's going to be on Peacock streaming, so

1230
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 3: you can tune in there. Jojo and Jordan, thanks for

1231
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 3: joining the almost famous podcast. It's great to have you guys.

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00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 4: Love you, thank you.

1233
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, without it being awkward, I love the two of you.

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00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 7: Good way so well's I can get a text for

1235
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 7: the next golf trip. You know, I got my.

1236
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 5: Statement in oh are you in?

1237
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 6: Because I was literally going to say, now you guys

1238
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 6: can play off together.

1239
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: Hey, I wasn't. I wasn't watching this, but it is

1240
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 2: always here a.

1241
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 7: Couple of two great courses in Puerto Rico. If he

1242
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 7: gets need a little away time like down.

1243
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 2: I would Jordan.

1244
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 3: You are going to get a text then, because we

1245
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 3: were to meet up, but we're going to play golf.

1246
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 6: You're going to get a text, Okay, okay, Yeah, that

1247
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 6: sounds good. The Puerto Rican idea is more at my

1248
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 6: alley like on the beach.

1249
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you.

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00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,840
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