1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: What's up its way up at Angela Yee and we 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: have in the building a legend, Reverend Horace Sheffield the Third, 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me today. 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 2: Absolutely I thought you the legend. 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: No listen, not just you, but your whole family, like 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: from your father to your children, have really left a 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: legacy in the city. And congratulations to may Or Mary Sheffield. 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: She's making history. 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: Absolutely, very proud of her. And every day I get 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: all the feeds about something different that she's doing. Today 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: she announced the Youth Department and someone that would take 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: care of education, which is very important, right. 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: And you know she's been breaking barriers across the board, 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: being the youngest city council president, all of those things. 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: But all that comes from somewhere, right, And she's also 16 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: an Orday minister. Yes, and we have to also attribute 17 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: a lot of that to her parents. 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you by that. I you know, Mary, 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: I'm a girl, Dad and Mary. One day I pulled 20 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: up in the driveway and may will always run to 21 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: meet me and I'm listening to gospel music and she's 22 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: running down the driver Daddy, Daddy, and I said, well, 23 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 2: you know, I called her to preach. She's about five 24 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 2: years old. Wow, So she hugs me. She open the door, 25 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: she hugged I said, Mary, she said, what Daddy? I said, 26 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: the Lord just told me that he called you to preach. Oh, 27 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: I told the Lord I want to do that. Hey, 28 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: I'm not telling you to do it. I'm just saying 29 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: what he told me. And of course I think she 30 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 2: was fourteen and she preached the first sermon preach at 31 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 2: the church that license and ordained me. She's I mean, 32 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: she could do that, right, you know, but she's trying 33 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: to be a bombing Gilead, not a band aid. So 34 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: she has a form, she has a platform, she has 35 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: a place that she can carry out transforming lives through 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: the Gospel of Jesus Christ through public policy. 37 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: Right, and and I feel like, also now I want 38 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: to talk about DABO because that is an organization that 39 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: your father actually established. And that's how a Scheckel the second, 40 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: who has a street named in his honor as well. 41 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: You did your researchs are well known. Well, my dad 42 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: spent his whole life trying to find a way for 43 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: black folks to work together. And so uh, he created 44 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 2: this organization that is an umbrella organization, association of organizations 45 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: and Actually, if I forget the NAACP voter when Bill 46 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 2: Hooks was alive to replicate this and create the National 47 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: Association of Black Organizations, which I'm working with doctor Eric 48 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: Dyson and Jamal Brian and some mothers, really get that 49 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: off the ground. The old concept is that we have 50 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 2: all these organizations trying to save our race and we're 51 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: still lost. And it's not the kind of coordinated cooperation. 52 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: The Jewish community, whether they Benigh Birth or Jewish Defense Fund, 53 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 2: they find a way to come together and they create 54 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 2: a consensus. You may not always agree, but they find 55 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: some way to work together. And that's what we've got 56 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: to do. 57 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: What kind of role do you look at media as 58 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: playing because you're also in radio, you're also a media personality. 59 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 3: But when you think. 60 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: About media, you think about politics, media and religion. How 61 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: are those things intertwined and where do you see that going? 62 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: Because I feel like today there is a lot of misinformation, 63 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of overinformation, there's a lot of access 64 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: for people to have a platform. 65 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a double untender really, you know. 66 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: I mean you think about doctor King, the water hoses 67 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: and dogs being let loose on people, that being visualized 68 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: and seen, you know, created you know, more sentiment from 69 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: people who may not have necessarily been in favor of 70 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: civil rights reform. Right, So it does play a positive role. 71 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: I think the different now is that in the past 72 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: they organize, you know, different between the pole Bricks and 73 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: the Cathedrals organization. They actually go out and had to 74 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: convince people that this was in their best interest, had 75 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 2: to organize people to do it. Now, we get on 76 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: Instagram or you know, TikTok or whatever, send out you know, 77 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: a posts, and we think that's going to be sufficient 78 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 2: to form in a different sentiment. Doesn't work that way. 79 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: You still have the knock on doors. You still have 80 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 2: to talk to people. You still got to gather folks 81 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: and galvanize people. 82 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: Man, I want to ask you, just as we're on 83 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: that topic of like media and what's going on today, 84 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: when you think about even this administration. I've been watching 85 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: all this stuff with Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, and 86 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: her being grilled but not really answering any questions, and 87 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: these Epstein files for people who are listening, when we 88 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: think about the Epstein files, because I see people being like, 89 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: let's move on. Why didn't the Democrats release these files, Well, 90 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: why didn't Joe Biden do it? You know, a lot 91 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: of the names being reacted. We see also some of 92 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: the survivors coming forward and telling their stories and having 93 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: the strength to be able to do that. But for 94 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: people who think that this is not important or it's 95 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: just politics, what would you say about it, Well. 96 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: Let's prostitute. Let's take Epstein separate from what the overall 97 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 2: cultural phenomenon that we're dealing with is, which I call 98 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: WM a white male anxiety. A guy I think Stanley 99 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: Wilheim wrote a book thirty years ago called Who Needs 100 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: the Negro? All the cotton has been picked, all the 101 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: wheat hewn, and shoes shine, Who needs a Negro? His 102 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: whole point was that white people are being displaced right from. 103 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 3: More minority babies being born. 104 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and so it's white male anxiety that you know. 105 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 2: And you've actually heard some of them say this, in 106 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: twenty five years will be in the minority, and so 107 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: do everything they can. By the way, all say this 108 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: that if you treated us better and right, you wouldn't 109 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 2: have to worry about us being the majority, because black 110 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: folks are. But never in any way you worried because 111 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 2: of the mistreatment, right, not only of slavery, but you 112 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: continue to do then in terms of Trump in this 113 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: whole situation, Uh, the unfortunate situation nine year old ten 114 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: year old girls. 115 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: It's disgusting when you see the pictures when you unbelievable 116 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: and the fact that anybody could act like make excuses 117 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: for that or I don't even understand. 118 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: We even try to protect the people who you know, 119 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: involved in the criminal enterprise. But what I say about 120 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: all of that is is that And again, you know, 121 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say how I feel. And men, a lot 122 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: of white folks on social media have gone after me. 123 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: I said, you know what, if I was a young 124 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: African American male and I got, you know, arrested for 125 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: a crime, I wouldn't pay for an attorney. I'd go 126 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 2: to court and plead Trump. The judges said, what do 127 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: you mean pleae Trump? When nothing happens to him? Nothing 128 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 2: should happened to me, right, I mean, what are we 129 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 2: telling folks about consequences? Right? I mean, absolutely nothing happens 130 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: to this man whatsoever, and even in this realm. I 131 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: mean when you look at a Bondie and the way 132 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: she talked to folks, and the thing she said, I 133 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: don't think you ever put this genie back in the bottle. 134 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't even imagine what she's thinking about, 135 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: if what's your legacy? When you think about your legacy, 136 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: or when you even think about like when people pick 137 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: up history books or look at these conversations and look 138 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: at the stuff that she's saying, it's shameful. 139 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think you may have 140 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: seen the catalog of photos of her with him through 141 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: the ages. You know, maybe she's just trying to protect 142 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: your to daddy. You know, maybe she doesn't want her 143 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: secret to come out. 144 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: Because you've spoken so much about working across the aisle, 145 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: working with Democrats and Republicans to get things done, do 146 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: you feel like that it's been more divisive than ever 147 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: right now? 148 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: Well? Look, I mean I've said to people, you know, 149 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: I would take Ronald Reagan, Ronald Reagan Republican or George 150 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: you know, Howard Walker Bush over these folks. I mean, 151 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: we you know, we're used to a different brand of politics. 152 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: I still say, again, I don't know how you get 153 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: back to civility. Watch what's gonna happen. The Democrats will 154 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: get back in power. And if they do anything that 155 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: remotely resembles anything the Republicans have done, it's going to 156 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: be an outcry that's wrong. You shouldn't have done that. 157 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: Their memory would be compote, completely gone. And so you 158 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: know the question is, how do we get back to civility, 159 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 2: How do we get back to really thinking about all 160 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: kinds of people and doing things for everybody. We can't 161 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 2: do that if it's us versus them. 162 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a fact, because you're right when this 163 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: next elections come, and I think we can kind of 164 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: foretell as long as everybody goes out and votes, because 165 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: I think. 166 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: If they're allowed to vote, I mean, part of what 167 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: we see going on right now is basically take control 168 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 2: of Michigan. You know, he just said something about the 169 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: Gordy Howse Bridge. I mean the guy meddles into every 170 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 2: single thing. I mean he must must, you know, have 171 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 2: a bad night sleep and he gets. 172 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: Up the next day got down for me. So he 173 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: wants to not finish this bridge to care. 174 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 2: Well, I mean some of his misinformation. Okay, So the 175 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: ambassador Bridge, who are a family that I've known for many, 176 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: many years and knew the father who grew up poor 177 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: a great friend of Coleman Young's. His son now runs 178 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: Ambassador Bridge. They wanted to do a second bridge, would 179 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: have been privately owned, but it was fault. And so 180 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: then when this Gordi how Bridge came up, the state 181 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 2: of Michigan refused to pay for it. So the Canadian 182 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 2: government said, will pay for it, right, and they got 183 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 2: all the permits and everything else, and so there's no 184 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 2: American money in that bridge. Canadians paid for the infrastructure 185 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 2: and everything else. And so he's, as you know, pissed 186 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 2: with the Canadians. By the way, I went to high 187 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 2: school Windsor, So I take some offense because I think 188 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: the Canadians have been a tremendous ally to us. 189 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 3: You went to high school and Windsor went Assumption high 190 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 3: school Windsor So, you went back and forth. 191 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: I stayed there. It was a border, a border, and 192 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: so I mean, it's just I mean, it's like, look, 193 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: I think all of this is just a distraction. I 194 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: think it's absolutely certain he does not want what's in 195 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: those files to come out and he wants to divert 196 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: attention from it. But the Canadians a good partner. We've 197 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 2: got a great relationship with the Canadian people across our border, 198 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: and that bridge is going to probably open that some 199 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: of the Republicans Snyder, a former governor has Rick Snyder 200 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: has come out against what he said and said, lead 201 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 2: these people on the bridge alone. 202 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting. 203 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: I was having a conversation with somebody the other day 204 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: and I was talking about voting and how we need 205 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: more people to go out and vote and to feel 206 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 1: energized to want to do that, and he was telling me, 207 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: I think the problem is that a lot of times 208 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: we get promised things when politicians are running for office 209 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,359 Speaker 1: and they don't deliver on that and people get disappointed 210 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 1: over and over again. Yes, And I was We were 211 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: having this back and forth conversation because you know, talking 212 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: about politics can get very heated about how change can 213 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: be really slow sometimes and a lot of times we 214 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: don't see it right away. But it is so important 215 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: for us to be involved in politics and make sure 216 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: that we also not just vote, but whole people accountable. 217 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: Well, we have to stop looking at politics as some 218 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: self serving way for us to achieve things. Right. I 219 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: have a great audio I'm want to send you by 220 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: Dad down and I think with Montgomery organizing or maybe Birmingham, 221 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: not sure which one. It was with doctor King and 222 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: the conversation he has with a young man says, look, 223 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: look over in the white neighborhood. They have alleys of 224 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: the pay and the sidewalks to walk on the dirt. 225 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: He said, I figure like this, if we register to vote, 226 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: we ain't gonna ask them no more. We're gonna just 227 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 2: take what we need. And that's the quintessential idea that 228 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 2: somehow another, if you gain political clout, you don't have to, 229 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: you know, pray for it. You don't have to get 230 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: on your knees and bay for it. You're not having 231 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 2: access to power. Now I was ten years old, James 232 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: Farman came and spoke for my dad at t ULC 233 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: and he said something I never forgot. It was a 234 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: conversation of what is politics? He said, politics is the 235 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: most mundane artt who gets what and how much? Anyone 236 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: doesn't vote want someone else to decide what they don't have. 237 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 2: And I asked him, why don't you say what they get? 238 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: He said, because people will get disappointed they don't get it. 239 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: But this keeps people from taking it away. People don't 240 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: look at the fact that other folks will take from 241 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: us what other folk gave to us. And that's exactly 242 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: what we're going through now what the Rights Bill gone, 243 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: Everything in the Civil Rights Bill gutted, Affirmative action gone 244 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 2: right right. 245 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 3: Wow. 246 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: You know, I'm glad that we have that conversation because 247 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: I do hear so many people saying that, and we 248 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: do have some major elections coming up. And another thing 249 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: I want to talk about is going back to DABO. 250 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: If there's things that we feel that are lacking, we 251 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: also need to make sure that we do things for ourselves. 252 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 3: And so I just want to talk. 253 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: About the resources for people and what DABO can provide 254 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: when it comes to your health, when it comes to finances, housing, 255 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: all of those things that are really important for our coming. 256 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: We do it all on the way to start. To 257 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 2: start with health. I've been in a civil rights advocate, 258 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: you know, known Reverend Shopping since I was twenty one 259 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: and had the first chapter outside of New York of 260 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 2: the National Action Network. 261 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 3: Okay. 262 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 2: In fact, Rev used to sit in the back of 263 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: my volkswagon because you couldn't sit in the front. That's 264 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: a long way, yeah, yeah, he could sit in the 265 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: front and put somebody next to him. Now. But you know, 266 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: I said to myself at a certain point, you know, 267 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: what others do to us is one thing, what we 268 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 2: do to ourselves is another. And if we don't take 269 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 2: care of our health, we won't even be here for 270 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: folks to call us the N word or to discriminate 271 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 2: against us. And even with health insurance, you know, the 272 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 2: disparities in health is unbelievable. When this really came home 273 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 2: for me, my sister died at sixty eight. I think 274 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: she was a full Bright Douglas scholar, superintendent of schools, 275 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: work with Bill and Lin the Gates turnings of some 276 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: of the most failing schools in this country and the 277 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: most successful ones. Died of urinate track infection. Wow. Had 278 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: a multi man dollar house down in Georgia, twelve acres. 279 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: Had to flyer home, but by that time it was 280 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: too late. 281 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 3: Wow, I never even knew that was possible. 282 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 2: It is possible. If it's untreated, you get the delirium, 283 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: you know, you know, it's almost like you have Parkinsons 284 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: or Alzheimers. You don't know where you are. But the 285 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: point is is that in all of these areas, whether 286 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: it's prostate cancer or breast cancer, I mean we are 287 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 2: heart health. Yeah, we're we're we're we're with disproportionately uh 288 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: you know, uh in disproportionate numbers. We show up in 289 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: those things. So we have a free clinic, Premier Quality 290 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: Health Center, the Dable Birth We have a partnership with 291 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,119 Speaker 2: Chose Healthy Life that comes out of New York City. 292 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: A free clinic clinic. 293 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: We don't charge the penny for anything. 294 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 3: I think that's important. It's clinic. 295 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: And we also do blueprint for wellnesses, which will take 296 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: their blood and they can look and see anything going 297 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 2: on in their bodies. In fact, physicians send people to 298 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: us to do those because they go to the doctor 299 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: and say doc. Because if you have insurance and you 300 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: come to the doctor with a presenting issue, they can 301 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 2: only test for that. We give you everything that you 302 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: can possibly imagine. Am the DICE's things that don'tly affect 303 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: that for the Americans, right, So we do that. You know, 304 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 2: we help singers with their prescriptions to make sure they're 305 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 2: not working across purposes. We do a lot of stuff 306 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: in terms of basic needs, you know, we aving or 307 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: HIV testing. I mean, I mean we're doing housing. 308 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 3: Now, you know, I love that. 309 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, we just a young lady. I mean, we basically 310 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: put together a fifty million dollars deal. We've bought abandoned 311 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: properties on Grand River. The Bridge center where you'll come 312 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: to was a one hundred and four year old billing. 313 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: Gaby Shaw, who was one of the founders of Detroit, 314 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: is named after him. It was empty for fourteen years. 315 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 2: Put a mean and half in there. I've had Eddie 316 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 2: Lavert there, I've had I've had Jordan Reed there, Donelle's 317 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: coming back. You were with John all reached that. I 318 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: just got done texting this man. What was the deal? 319 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: Last time? You tell me? I'm not gonna tell you 320 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 2: more than what now. 321 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm trying to pull up. 322 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: He actually enjoyed himself so much. Yes, when he had 323 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: the opportunity to come there. 324 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 2: Well, you'll enjoy yourself as well. And people are excited, excited. 325 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: One thing that everybody says about me is I treat 326 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: everybody like kings and queens. I don't preach to get paid, 327 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: but I get paid for my preaching. And we entertained 328 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 2: angels unaware. So I believe in treating people well right, 329 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: And I think there's a message. I think there's an 330 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 2: opportunity for you to, as you ask me questions about 331 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 2: these things, kind of extrapulate and expound on how you 332 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 2: feel about some of it. 333 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: Now, absolutely, you know, and I love to see what 334 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: you're doing because I also know how difficult it is 335 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: navigating systems, and sometimes people don't know that they can 336 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: go places to get help, like we don't think a 337 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: free clinic can exist to help us, So we don't 338 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: know if we're behind in our property taxes, that we 339 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: have to actually confront those issues and figure out a way, 340 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: and that there are people that can help you come 341 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: up with some solutions. 342 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: Well for us, first of all, I like to call 343 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: myself a wedge between passing the buck and red tape, 344 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: social change agent with a spiritual mandate. What we do 345 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: not want to do is be a band aid who 346 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 2: want to be a bombing gillad because people come to 347 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 2: you over and over again, same malady. So you know, 348 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: J said take up your bed walk. So what we 349 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: do is try to help people overcome these things and 350 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: enable them to equip themselves that they don't have to 351 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 2: do the same thing over and over again. That's my goal. 352 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: No, absolutely, and for you, I also the other day 353 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: I did have Gail Perry Mason was here and she 354 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: has her program where she helps children from a young 355 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: age learn about finances. And it just makes me think 356 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: about your family and how between your father and you 357 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: and now your children, how you know, having Mary as 358 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: the mayor, how all of those things like from a youth, 359 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: when you are presented with a different way of thinking, 360 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: and when you can think about investing, when you can 361 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: think about leadership, when you can think about making change 362 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: from an early age, A lot of that does start household. 363 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:40,959 Speaker 2: Well, you know, my dad was in civil rights. My 364 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 2: dad was vice president of the Negro American Labor Council 365 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 2: in nineteen forty on the Randolph He and bar Russell 366 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 2: with vice presidents. They staffed the march on Washington for 367 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: jobs in the war industry. That led to the Executive 368 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 2: Office Executive Order that actually integrated the troops and stuff 369 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 2: like that. But here's the thing. While my dad was 370 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: also doing civil rights, he was also investing right, so 371 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 2: he was a radio station owner. We still own a 372 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: portion of w A d L t V, which I love. 373 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: That gave birth to the word network. Just my sister 374 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 2: and I are now the ones with inheritance. And my 375 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 2: dad was very smart because the way he structured that 376 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 2: inheritance is, we can't give it to anybody if we 377 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: don't get the money before we died, passed on to 378 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 2: my daughter and my son and my other children, my grandchildren, 379 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 2: everybody else, because he always wanted us to have not 380 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 2: just some for now, but some for later. Right. And 381 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 2: that's how I lived my life, you know. I mean, 382 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: I think I've done an exceptional. 383 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 3: Job with my kids. 384 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: You know. I live for them, you know, and I 385 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 2: just hope they don't forget me. 386 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 3: I can't see that happening at all. 387 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: I want to ask you as a person with a 388 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: great sense of humor, but also I don't have a 389 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: sense of human I can tell I used to be 390 00:19:58,720 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: a comedian. 391 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 2: Listen when I was twenty years of age, playing football 392 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: and stuff, you know, and back to Wayne to Detroit. 393 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: My last year, ran for school board, got elected as 394 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: the youngest person. I had a blue penal station wagon 395 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 2: and I would drive over akron in places and I 396 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 2: did comedy. I had thirty thousand dollars of the bank 397 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: at twenty one, bought my first house at twenty one 398 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 2: out in the predominantly white neighbors. 399 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 3: So you are a successful comedian. 400 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 2: I did pretty good. I mean, and people still say 401 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 2: to me, you ought to be a comedian. I'm a preacher, 402 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 2: but I believe what Billy Sunday said is that God 403 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 2: is a god of fun. And any God that makes you, 404 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 2: you know, sad and put on sackcloths and ashes is 405 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 2: not lifting your burdens. It's revealing your burdens, right, So 406 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 2: I like to make people laugh. 407 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: So you did you enjoy a Jeuski's sketch? Yes, okay, 408 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: because I saw there were a whole lot of different reactions. 409 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: You know, these people, I mean, you know what, I 410 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 2: get so upset about some of this stuff. You know, 411 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 2: I'm very close to Jamal. 412 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 3: I saw you were upset about his wife. 413 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 2: Absolutelyess And and first of all, the I won't mention 414 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 2: the bishop's name, who's rather lavish. You know, why why 415 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 2: would I spend my time in the pulpit talking about 416 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 2: the stuff that he talks about, right when I have 417 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 2: people coming there trying to figure out, you know, how 418 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 2: they're gonna make it through that day, and what she 419 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 2: wears is not gonna help them. 420 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't understand the judgment that can you know, 421 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: but that you know I'm glad because I saw so 422 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: many things. 423 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 2: And tell you something else. One of my mentions, doctor 424 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: William Myers, who did the African Heritage Bible and biblical scholar, 425 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 2: did my seminary work with, talked about a preacher I 426 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: won't tell you about who fell from grace and terrible 427 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 2: things happened to him. And he pointed out and class 428 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 2: all the instances where he engaged in a harsh judgment 429 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 2: and what he said, Well, you know, God, God, I'll 430 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: let you slide on judgment, but when you start engaging 431 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 2: in harsh judgment and then you guilty of things yourself, 432 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: I always say this, You're like this the worst sin? 433 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: What's the worst sin in the world, whatever one you're 434 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: not in. 435 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 3: I see. There we go with the comedy that works. 436 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 3: Though you're right about that. 437 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what you're doing is terrible. But God 438 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 2: understands mine, right. 439 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, mine is okay, Yes, I have every excuse in 440 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: the world to. 441 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 2: It's only hurting me, which says that God's not concerned 442 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: about what happens to me. He's also concerned about that 443 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 2: as well. Right, come on, you talk to me. 444 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 3: I feel like this comedy is coming back though for you, 445 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 3: I don't know. 446 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: I well, let me let me tell you my best joke. 447 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 2: How do you how do you know your man has 448 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: bad feet? How when somebody compliments on his gaiterors and 449 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 2: his barefoot. 450 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 3: Oh that's a Detroit Joe too. I love it. 451 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 2: Well. 452 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 3: I want to thank you so much. 453 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, Reverend Horace, I feel the third I 454 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: would be in Detroit with you able to only fifth 455 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: and the twenty sixth. Yes, So make sure y'all come 456 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: out because you know that's like my second home. 457 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 2: By the way, you know you're gonna be with Ben Crump, 458 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 2: microwagg Dice and I sent you the New Flyer. 459 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 3: Yes, I just got it today. 460 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And Alexis Kerr, who is the person I 461 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 2: think she's back at Honda now you need to get 462 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 2: to know her. She knows all these black women who 463 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: were top CEOs all of country. But it's gonna be 464 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: a great, great, great opportuity. 465 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: I always say that's one of the things I love 466 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: the most about Detroit is the entrepreneurship that's in the 467 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: city and the opportunities that people have there. And also 468 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 1: I feel like how much people support each other, you know, 469 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: from just when I'm there and I can see, like 470 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: all the establishments that I'm going to and everybody doing 471 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: amazing things. 472 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 2: I was impressed with you, you know, before I met 473 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 2: you through my daughter. I came when she came, right, 474 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 2: But what really stuck with me is when I had 475 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: an event for her here over in Britain. 476 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 3: It was in Brovestide, a couple of blocks. 477 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 2: In my house, okay, and you showed up. I mean 478 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: just walked in like an ordinary. You know. I think 479 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 2: too many of us are so full of ourselves. You know, 480 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: we think more of ourselves than we can. 481 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 3: I hear my last Yeah. 482 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: Nineteen sixty three, my dad took my sisters and I 483 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 2: to Washington to celebrate the hundredth anniversary of the Emancipation Proclamation, 484 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: and he met with Lynda Johnson, the Vice President, and 485 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 2: we swam in his pool wow. And on the way 486 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: back to the hotel to get ready for the celebration 487 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: with John Kennedy that night, I said to my I said, oh, Dad, man, 488 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: you know you're important because I was impressed. We're swimming 489 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 2: in the Vice President's booth. He says Son, I'm not 490 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: trying to be important I'm trying to be valuable. They 491 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 2: get rid of important people, valuable people they keep. 492 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 3: Okay, look at all these gems. 493 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 2: I feel real. 494 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 3: I feel like we're gonna put all these as like I'm. 495 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: Actually doing a compilation of my adages, those that have 496 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 2: been given to me and those that I've created myself. 497 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: Because I could see these as cars that we could 498 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: hang up on the world. 499 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a great book. I'll send you one 500 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,479 Speaker 2: called a Good Word for a Better Life. Was your 501 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 2: compilation of all my meditations over the forty some years 502 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 2: that I've passed, you know. 503 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: And in closing, when you brought up the event for 504 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: Mary in Brooklyn that was a fundraiser for her when 505 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: she was running for mayor, I do want to say 506 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: that from the beginning when I first met her, I 507 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: knew that she was really special. I was excited for 508 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: these positions of leadership that i've seen her gere. 509 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 3: I went to that I feel that she deserves. 510 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: I think that it's important for us when we think 511 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: about people running for office in our areas and where 512 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: we're from, to encourage people that we think would be 513 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: great to run for those offices, because we need to 514 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: make sure we support, and support is also financial when 515 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: it comes to that too, it's not easy to run 516 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: a campaign without financial support. 517 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 3: But show up. Also, I think it's important that people 518 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 3: show up. People use their voices. 519 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: And even if someone wasn't planning to run and you 520 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: want to encourage them to do that, I think that's important. 521 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 3: Do you remember when Mary told you she was running 522 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 3: for no. 523 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 2: I mean, let's go back. Mary had no interest in politics. 524 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 2: I asked her to run for state Rep. The first 525 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: time she ran. She only lost two of her elections. 526 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 2: The first one she she ran and she didn't do anything. 527 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 2: I ran the whole campaign. I run all of Marya's 528 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 2: campaigns except for the mayor's race whatever, and and and 529 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 2: then she was surprised at how well she did having 530 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: done nothing. So the next time you run again, and 531 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 2: she ran against an incoming she lost by sixty eight votes. 532 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: There was some foul play in it, but she got 533 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 2: the bug on her own. You know, she's responsible for 534 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 2: where she is. And I just want to say one 535 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 2: thing that really, if I can close out, man, I'm 536 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 2: gonna preacher. I like to close out. Yeah, please uh 537 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 2: and and and and that is when it comes to 538 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 2: public service. This is for my dad. But they always 539 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 2: tell people and when I get to be there, I'm 540 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 2: gonna do it. He said, Look, if you haven't done 541 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: nothing already, you ain't gonna do thathing when you get there. 542 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 2: And don't tell me what you're gonna do. Tell me 543 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 2: what you've already done, because what you've done already is 544 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: an indication of what you want to do going forward. 545 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 2: And the last thing said, and don't tell me that 546 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 2: you're running for me, right because you know you're the 547 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 2: only one benefit. I mean, these people in public office. 548 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 2: I'm running to help this and it looks like the 549 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 2: only people they're ever concerned about is themselves. Help me, somebody. 550 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 2: We need to really pool our resources, create a common agenda, 551 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 2: and whether it's boys and boys and girls clubs, Jack 552 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: and Jill or whoever it is, and we all work 553 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: on that together in our own way, and every year 554 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 2: we make some incremental progress and then judge and guide ourselves. 555 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 2: Ossey Davids say, is not the rap, this the map, 556 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: It's not the man, it's the plan. 557 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 3: See perfect closes. I feel like I shouldn't even drop 558 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 3: the mic right as the way up. 559 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I'm looking forward to Being in 560 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: Detroit with you all right,