Speaker 1: What's going on? Family, I'm to make a d Mallory
Speaker 1: and I my son in general, and we are your
Speaker 1: host of street politicians, the place where and politics meet
Speaker 1: my god, every every well, I don't like that. Don't
Speaker 1: try to you know what I'm You're becoming very very
Speaker 1: politically minded, politically inclined politically my foundations absolutely to shout
Speaker 1: out tom killer, Mike, though, look, this this is dope,
Speaker 1: plot playing, strategized, organized, mobilized. This is you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I gotta give my own shame this plug
Speaker 1: never so much soul. You know them both we love
Speaker 1: black men to make sure that Georgia turn blue. So
Speaker 1: we got to give and those things embodied Mike like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's him that I should better have my until freedom
Speaker 1: had it would have properly like plot planing, strategized, organized,
Speaker 1: and mobilize until freedom. Well, so we got tell it's
Speaker 1: abran until freedom had. He'll probably say send him some
Speaker 1: stuff like everybody else, So let's not talk about that
Speaker 1: right now. But I was thinking, because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff going on, but we still have to live
Speaker 1: our regular lives, like you know, we cannot just allow
Speaker 1: all of this craziness that's going on to suck up
Speaker 1: so much energy that we're not like working and planning, plotting, strategizing, organizing,
Speaker 1: mobilizing um within our communities. And I've been trying to
Speaker 1: check in with my young inns and and you know,
Speaker 1: some of them are my mentees and others are just
Speaker 1: folks I talked to, and I recognized that there is
Speaker 1: a common thread among many of the younger people I
Speaker 1: talked to. They get so frustrated about the journey, the
Speaker 1: process towards where they're going. They're on it and they're badass.
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to say in any way, shape
Speaker 1: or form that they're not going to accomplish, because they will,
Speaker 1: but they're real frustrated, much more than we were, at
Speaker 1: least than I was. Um. You know, working with our
Speaker 1: dear sister Rachel nord Linka, we worked at the National
Speaker 1: Action Network for fourteen years. She's been there even longer
Speaker 1: than that. It was a process. We've worked all night long.
Speaker 1: At times we didn't get a chance to you know,
Speaker 1: to a party as much and to enjoy as much.
Speaker 1: We had to make those things a part of the
Speaker 1: daily experience because we were on most of our lives,
Speaker 1: the majority of our lives, and there were a lot
Speaker 1: of nose, a lot of doors closed in our faces.
Speaker 1: You know, there were a lot of moments when we
Speaker 1: were chastised and strictly um addressed because we weren't doing
Speaker 1: things as we should be, not showing up on time,
Speaker 1: just things like that. It just wasn't tolerated and I noticed,
Speaker 1: and I think some of the failures that they go through,
Speaker 1: it just gives people a meltdown, like they just can't
Speaker 1: they don't know how they're going to make it. And
Speaker 1: I'm constantly saying yo, because I was thinking with my
Speaker 1: thoughts that you have to trust the process. The journey
Speaker 1: is a part of the story. And I'm so excited
Speaker 1: that later when we could be talking to one of
Speaker 1: our guests that is going to help us. And that's
Speaker 1: one of the questions that I have for her, um.
Speaker 1: But that process, that's where all the good stuff is made.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't mean that it won't hurt, because it
Speaker 1: certainly will. But when it breaks you down to the
Speaker 1: point where you just don't think you can make it anymore,
Speaker 1: what does that say about like what's happening to our
Speaker 1: young people. I want to see our young people because
Speaker 1: first of all, they have so much more than we had,
Speaker 1: so many more opportunity. But we didn't have social media
Speaker 1: to give you a false sense of reality, right, we
Speaker 1: we actually dealt we've seen the people, or we didn't
Speaker 1: see them every day. Right, so we we aspired to
Speaker 1: be like stars that we've seen on TV. Right. When
Speaker 1: we see those stars, they was actually doing their craft
Speaker 1: and they were doing things. So it made you like,
Speaker 1: I want to be better at that. I want to
Speaker 1: learn how to do And when you go to social media,
Speaker 1: you get sixty seconds of the best moments of someone's life. Right.
Speaker 1: So they got all they change on, all the money
Speaker 1: on the bed and you look at that and it's
Speaker 1: a recurrent picture on everybody has this picture. They got
Speaker 1: the best cards, they got all the money. Every second
Speaker 1: you post on social media is everything good. There's no process.
Speaker 1: They don't show you, you know, they don't show you
Speaker 1: how they got the money. They don't show you what
Speaker 1: the process was. They just show you that they got it.
Speaker 1: So these young kids are looking at social media saying, damn,
Speaker 1: I'm failing. I don't have all of those things. I
Speaker 1: don't have this car, don't have all this money. I
Speaker 1: need to figure out how I could get that and
Speaker 1: live that life right now, not knowing that that's not real.
Speaker 1: That most of those people some of that money ain't there's,
Speaker 1: the cars ain't there's and how they the process that
Speaker 1: they took to get to that money was real long,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Some of them risking their freedom,
Speaker 1: some of them is going jail them all. So it's
Speaker 1: so many different things that's not being told to our children,
Speaker 1: but just being showed to our children that makes them
Speaker 1: believe that they're feeling and they want the microwave answer
Speaker 1: to everything. They want the microwave, but they get it
Speaker 1: with like you said, everything is in the palm of
Speaker 1: their hands, so they do get a sort of microwave
Speaker 1: approach to everything in life. Um, even with school being
Speaker 1: online and I'm not talking about pandemic, I'm talking about colleges,
Speaker 1: students are going to school on the internet. They don't
Speaker 1: have to necessarily trek to the classes the way that
Speaker 1: I know I had. This it's a lot of different,
Speaker 1: But I don't know if that's good for us. Because
Speaker 1: it is um developing more entrepreneurs. It is giving people
Speaker 1: the opportunity to be more creative, which will hopefully benefit
Speaker 1: us to control our environments more, to be able to
Speaker 1: hire our own people and not have to work for
Speaker 1: others and make them ridy. But what do we sacrifice?
Speaker 1: Because for me, right, as we evolve with technology and
Speaker 1: we see those situations grow, I think we lose communication
Speaker 1: and interactions with one another. And also look at the
Speaker 1: murder rates of people don't know how to communicate. People
Speaker 1: are so angry or they know how to do his fight.
Speaker 1: They don't know how to have dialogue with someone that
Speaker 1: you don't agree with, Like immediately when you don't agree
Speaker 1: with somebody turns into this big thing because people have
Speaker 1: not learned communicators and they haven't learned they haven't interact
Speaker 1: with people, so and they can't take failure or the
Speaker 1: slightest bit of uncomfortable criticism or anything. So like I
Speaker 1: was having a conversation with one of my brothers. He
Speaker 1: called me and I have wrote soon about I thought
Speaker 1: somebody was a better rapper than somebody else. You're like, yo,
Speaker 1: just can turn into something. I'm like, people can't have
Speaker 1: an opinion. You can't say that you think some money.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I want to fight you I'm not saying,
Speaker 1: but why why my opinion that you might not be
Speaker 1: as good as a rapper as somebody else makes it
Speaker 1: to where we might have a beef like a beef
Speaker 1: to where we're at odds with each other because communication
Speaker 1: is to me, people's who are supersensitive. People are supersensitive,
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes I think that that that's that
Speaker 1: is also a part of this this thing that I'm
Speaker 1: saying that younger people um have sort of lost a sense.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe they never had it, Maybe we
Speaker 1: didn't teach it to them, Maybe we gave them too
Speaker 1: much too quickly. You know, when I think about my
Speaker 1: own child, although he's a very hard worker, and when
Speaker 1: Tarka is on a job, he's on the job. You
Speaker 1: don't gotta wake him up. But he also loves the
Speaker 1: money at the end of the week, so he's on it. However,
Speaker 1: even when I'm getting when he and I are in
Speaker 1: conflict with one another, he just loses his mind like
Speaker 1: he he and I guess he probably says, I learned
Speaker 1: it from you. So perhaps there there are some things
Speaker 1: that we have sort of passed down that we have
Speaker 1: to take responsibility for. But the hustle and the grind
Speaker 1: that I saw my parents do and that I now
Speaker 1: am a part of and in my own hustle. I
Speaker 1: get worried that many of the very the younger, like
Speaker 1: I'm talking under twenty those younger people, I'm scared. I'm
Speaker 1: under twenty five. I'm nervous about whether they are going
Speaker 1: to be able to deal with the trials and tribulations. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, suicide rates are up. There's a lot that's happening,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I don't I'm worried. I'm really
Speaker 1: worried about it, mice, because I know that you're gonna
Speaker 1: get knocked down and fail so many times on this
Speaker 1: journey called life that if you're not able to handle
Speaker 1: just you know, somebody telling you that you can't be
Speaker 1: late to the office all the time, or that you
Speaker 1: didn't do a job properly, and it gives you a
Speaker 1: mental breakdown, like a meltdown, and you want to quit.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you're gonna make it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough, man, But the only thing we can
Speaker 1: do is pray from give them insight. You know, a
Speaker 1: lot of I have a lot of young boys that
Speaker 1: I mentored that I sit down and I mentor and
Speaker 1: I prepared them. You know, when I was in prison,
Speaker 1: right a lot of people had this mind state because
Speaker 1: I was a rapper. I was gonna go home and
Speaker 1: I was gonna be the biggest rapper. Oh, you got
Speaker 1: it all set. And I was like, that's not true,
Speaker 1: you know, I said. The reality is I haven't been
Speaker 1: home in several years. Life changes, things are changing. I
Speaker 1: might have to start from zero, and I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: You know, I prepare to fail. You know, when you
Speaker 1: when you have an expectation, and that expectation is just
Speaker 1: that you're going to be successful. Without the process of failure,
Speaker 1: it can diminish you, it can destroy you. So I
Speaker 1: always even know I'm very adamant and believe that I'm
Speaker 1: gonna win, I believe that along the path, I'm going
Speaker 1: to fail, and I'm okay with that. I'm okay with
Speaker 1: the first time that I try to do something, somebody
Speaker 1: gonna tell me no. But I know I'm gonna ask
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand people because i know I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: get it. So I'm not gonna let the one person
Speaker 1: that said no, we don't want you the two or
Speaker 1: the ten person because I believe in me so much
Speaker 1: that is nothing gonna determ me. So I think that's
Speaker 1: what we have to teach these kids. We have to
Speaker 1: teach them self determination and self you know, resilience. Well,
Speaker 1: one thing I will say is that they're smart. They're
Speaker 1: smarter than we work. They know how to you utilize
Speaker 1: networking and relationships and uh their equipment in ways that
Speaker 1: we didn't have. So if they just mix a what
Speaker 1: we had work and that ten toes down mentality with
Speaker 1: the level of intellect and intelligence and just amazing. Some
Speaker 1: mean when I look at just something as simple as
Speaker 1: how these young women know how to apply makeup like
Speaker 1: this is not something you care about. But I can
Speaker 1: tell you that the way in which these young girls
Speaker 1: know how to highlight an eyelash and this, and that
Speaker 1: they can they can do their own eye press. We
Speaker 1: never we didn't know how to do all of that,
Speaker 1: But they have skills. And those skills shouldn't just be
Speaker 1: used for good Instagram pictures. They should be used so
Speaker 1: that you can make a little side money and be
Speaker 1: a part of your hustle and also to build brands
Speaker 1: in business. So that's my opinion, and that's what I
Speaker 1: was thinking about in my thought of the day. Always
Speaker 1: comes across as what you were thinking. But the streets
Speaker 1: is talking. Sts always talk. Always. Yes, I would love
Speaker 1: to know what's impeachment? Impeachment, but impeachment, what impeach? The
Speaker 1: impeach president? Oh? That was dope. That is dope though
Speaker 1: that you had one president school. It doesn't really mean anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. It doesn't it it doesn't,
Speaker 1: it doesn't and it does you know what it does.
Speaker 1: It destroys the legacy the name. You know, it makes
Speaker 1: sure he ain't getting no perks. Well that's not true, no, no,
Speaker 1: because in order for them to ensure that he can't
Speaker 1: run for office, that he doesn't have as much presidential security.
Speaker 1: I think he does get something. For a long time,
Speaker 1: even before this happened, I remember hearing that they change
Speaker 1: the Secret Service for presidents, like lifetime secret service, and
Speaker 1: I think that has sort of been rolled back. I
Speaker 1: think Obama may have been the last one to receive
Speaker 1: lifetime the other presidents. I think now it's like twenty
Speaker 1: years or you know, something like that. Um, but I
Speaker 1: think we're guardless he will get some type of security
Speaker 1: however it's reduced. And then there are other things that
Speaker 1: happened that he don't think. He gets a museum and
Speaker 1: you know, sort of those things. But in order for
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's a good question, but remorded for
Speaker 1: all of those things to happen, I believe he has
Speaker 1: to be convicted. That's the the second step. So you impeach,
Speaker 1: and that's what happened the first time, and also with
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton. They were impeached, but then they were not
Speaker 1: convicted at a trial. I guess of the federal government
Speaker 1: that allow everyone to vote and say that he should
Speaker 1: now experience the worst consequences of impeachment. So that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like, what are we doing? And they
Speaker 1: only have a few days to do it. Listen, man,
Speaker 1: you don't you cannot allow a tyrant, yea brother to
Speaker 1: stay in the White House. This man is running the
Speaker 1: White House like them all Like we said that, right,
Speaker 1: So the people are getting locked up that quote unquote
Speaker 1: committed the insurrection as they said, right. They people went
Speaker 1: into the capital and did what they did. Somebody pretty
Speaker 1: much ordered them to do this. All of them are saying, hey,
Speaker 1: Trump told me to be here. Trump said to come here,
Speaker 1: if you look at these people's past history, even though
Speaker 1: obviously these are there, they're suffering from the sickness of
Speaker 1: white privilege and white supremacy. That's an obvious situation. But
Speaker 1: these were quote unquote upstanding citizens. They have regular jobs.
Speaker 1: These people have regular jobs. They worked for government, they
Speaker 1: worked for the state. Like they don't have all, right,
Speaker 1: but they didn't have was prior criminal history, right, And
Speaker 1: just because they haven't been arrested for their criminal activity
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they don't have private crier. Criminal history history
Speaker 1: means that is that is dated and noted and recorded.
Speaker 1: That what makes you a criminal. That No, that's what
Speaker 1: probably criminal history, It doesn't make it. That's but I'm
Speaker 1: just what I'm trying to say is this these people
Speaker 1: felt it's like it's like pretty much like a cult,
Speaker 1: Like I was really sitting in like this. They drank
Speaker 1: the kool a. This was some Jim Jones type ship
Speaker 1: that they had going on. And these people were in
Speaker 1: front of camera saying we're going we're you know, we're
Speaker 1: taking over the We're taking over the capital. So they
Speaker 1: felt like that they felt like they were supposed to
Speaker 1: be doing these things. So if you're gonna rest the
Speaker 1: people who committed the act, but you ain't gonna even
Speaker 1: impeach the president that told him to commit to act,
Speaker 1: then I don't understand how what kind of justice we
Speaker 1: go because I always give this example of you know,
Speaker 1: if I if you and I are hanging out together
Speaker 1: and I say, let's go down to Billy Bob's house
Speaker 1: and get my stuff, similar to oh Jack, oh Jay
Speaker 1: and and his homies, that was his stuff. Where did
Speaker 1: you get their stuff? But this is this is the know.
Speaker 1: But these white folks that were out there that stormed
Speaker 1: the capitol, they believe that this is their stuff. America's
Speaker 1: their stuff. So O Jay and then they went to
Speaker 1: go get their stuff from down and down the hall
Speaker 1: in the hotel or whatever. And we're going there and
Speaker 1: we beat people up because that's what they said that
Speaker 1: the people said, oh J and up came and they aggressive,
Speaker 1: they had guns. They pulled guns on them. Nobody died.
Speaker 1: They said they had something. It was weapons. It was weapons.
Speaker 1: And those people said they felt threatened, okay, and they
Speaker 1: went in it and they locked O J up because
Speaker 1: that's what they posed to do because because it was
Speaker 1: because he got away the first time and they had
Speaker 1: an opportunity. I hear you. But I'm just saying nobody
Speaker 1: gets locked up for retrieving their own ship. That's not true.
Speaker 1: That's not true because there's a way that you go
Speaker 1: about it. If you and I go if right now,
Speaker 1: I tell you, Pooky got my chain and me, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna go get my chain, and when we get
Speaker 1: down there, we're back to everything else we get you,
Speaker 1: they're gonna convict you if if Pooky get hurt, because
Speaker 1: you're supposed to call the pole lea. Yes, I know
Speaker 1: you don't deal. I know you're going. I know you.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you the way let me full transparency.
Speaker 1: If you take my things, my items whatever to belong
Speaker 1: to me, I'm not calling no polish. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that you will. I'm going I agree with you that
Speaker 1: we're gonna go get our stuff. Your love you with
Speaker 1: all the ships, because I'm gonna call you like, yo,
Speaker 1: they got my stuff? You who got your stuff? We're
Speaker 1: going to get your stuff, A getting your stuff that.
Speaker 1: But I'm just telling you the way the law is designed,
Speaker 1: you can't go down there to get Joe Pookie's house
Speaker 1: with the bat and everything else and then beat Pookie up.
Speaker 1: Maybe somebody dies and say, what it's because Pooky took
Speaker 1: my stuff. They don't do that, So you're right. I'm
Speaker 1: affirming your point. The man is supposed to build a jail.
Speaker 1: That's it. This is the man who called it h
Speaker 1: He put the hit out exactly the mom this is.
Speaker 1: This is a classic example of the rico lord, right
Speaker 1: do rico lord means that you did something to further
Speaker 1: enhance a criminal enterprise, further the growth of a criminal.
Speaker 1: This man has created a criminal answer with white supremacy
Speaker 1: is a criminal question? Are you supposed to get the charge?
Speaker 1: So I asked you this before, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if you really answer. Answer me. If you and I
Speaker 1: go to get the stuff from Pooky and you stay
Speaker 1: outside in the car and say, all right, I'm going
Speaker 1: down here with you, though I'm gonna take you down,
Speaker 1: and you put the bats and the thing, you do everything,
Speaker 1: And you said, but now when we get down there,
Speaker 1: you got to go in there and talk to Pooky yourself,
Speaker 1: because I ain't gonna go in there. They got cameras
Speaker 1: and stuff is your stuff. You go in there. I
Speaker 1: go in there, and somehow or another Pokey, his mom
Speaker 1: and his cousin. Die. Aren't you getting charged with me?
Speaker 1: And what I did? You know what? It's called felony
Speaker 1: murder and it's called acting in concert. See what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Acting in concert. That's what I'm trying to figure out.
Speaker 1: Why acting in concert don't apply to Trump. I guess
Speaker 1: that's why the impeachment. That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: But don't but we need criminal charges, criminal charges. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we need to have this conversation. We have a guest
Speaker 1: that's coming on today. Because I'm trying to understand what
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't don't get it. You listen, I
Speaker 1: don't any impeach depeach man, Like, how does the process
Speaker 1: of the full impeachment, not just some charges brought up,
Speaker 1: not just this and that, what is going to be
Speaker 1: the process? I'm taking on. I'm with you, right, I'm
Speaker 1: taking your piece for today. I don't get it because
Speaker 1: I want to see that if everybody's running around talking
Speaker 1: about impeachment, impeach, and then I hear that it's possible, Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, they don't have enough senators to agree
Speaker 1: to impeach the man. And I think I mean to impeach. No, No,
Speaker 1: they didn't have enough. They didn't even they had enough
Speaker 1: to impeach him, but they don't have enough of those
Speaker 1: individuals that would help to convict him. So it was
Speaker 1: like ten I think Republican senators that agreed with the
Speaker 1: impeachment portion, and they're saying that they don't have enough.
Speaker 1: I think they need sixteen to twenty or something, which
Speaker 1: we're gonna find out from our guests today that would
Speaker 1: actually help to get him out of the White House exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying to you. We got to talk
Speaker 1: to Congressman Carson. Let's ask him because I'm not clear this,
Speaker 1: but that's why I said on my page, take it
Speaker 1: talking about it. You you create a law, right, and
Speaker 1: you don't follow the law because we if we think
Speaker 1: that it's acting concert because back to the thing we
Speaker 1: have been talking about four weeks, they're not trying to
Speaker 1: convict Mama and papaw. He falls in the Mama and
Speaker 1: Papa and they want together. And in fact yea. And
Speaker 1: in fact, in fact one of the officers, the one
Speaker 1: that was being crushed in the blood was coming out
Speaker 1: of his mouth. That was probably one of the worst
Speaker 1: images it's bad enough. They beat somebody with the flag.
Speaker 1: But the man who was being crushed, I thought that
Speaker 1: man was dead. I thought he was bleeding because his
Speaker 1: bones were just being crushed. He thank god, did not
Speaker 1: sustain any injuries, and he said he was shocked. But
Speaker 1: I saw him on the news saying that as the insurrectionists,
Speaker 1: the criminals, the terrorists, the thugs were there, they were
Speaker 1: telling him the militia, they were telling the ghettos. They
Speaker 1: were telling him, we're with you, don't you know, you
Speaker 1: don't need to fight us, like come with us. Basically,
Speaker 1: they he said, they thought that he and other officers
Speaker 1: because they said we support you. We're against the Black
Speaker 1: Lives Matter. The people were saying to him, we have
Speaker 1: been supporting you as police against the Black Lives matter.
Speaker 1: So he they thought, he said, they thought that he
Speaker 1: would put his weapons, I guess in a different position
Speaker 1: and turn his hat around basically to say I'm going
Speaker 1: in here with you. And he said, no, I will
Speaker 1: never do that. White supremacy is a very strange thing, man.
Speaker 1: It's really unbelieving. It's really bad. Before we go to
Speaker 1: the next segment and have our special guests joint we're
Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break for our sponsors. This is
Speaker 1: our great brother Idea friends. Good to see you, Congressman Carson,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. Tell us
Speaker 1: what impeachment means? We are unclear? My crew, my crew,
Speaker 1: my crew, my family, you know what it is. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's good to see everybody. My song is looking
Speaker 1: really style. Don't don't talk about don't tell him he looking,
Speaker 1: don't do that, don't do that. Don't know. Man, Good
Speaker 1: to see you too, Man to man, you know Tomka's
Speaker 1: over looking like she's ready for the biopics. We gotta
Speaker 1: figure out who we're going to be a player though,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, man, So what is it? I mean, really,
Speaker 1: where are we and what are we doing? Is all
Speaker 1: of this for pomp and circumstance or is it real?
Speaker 1: And what kind of weight does this impeachment piece hold? Well?
Speaker 1: I think it. I think it holds a lot of weight.
Speaker 1: You know, these impeachments, obviously they have a lot of
Speaker 1: symbolic value, and symbols matter right now. Um, I think
Speaker 1: it also has some some teeth. I think one hoping
Speaker 1: that the president doesn't try to run again. Now, the
Speaker 1: social media platforms I commend them for blocking him. But
Speaker 1: one wonders is it is it too much, too late?
Speaker 1: He's on the way out now you want to get
Speaker 1: bold when you're partly responsible for creating this monster who
Speaker 1: is Donald Trump? But not But you know, Donald Trump
Speaker 1: was able to leverage his celebrity, he was able to
Speaker 1: use the platform of the White House. I think that
Speaker 1: he gravely endangered the security of the United States. He
Speaker 1: threatened the integrity I think of the democratic system. He
Speaker 1: he interfered with the peaceful transition of power. I think
Speaker 1: that he effectively imperiled, in many ways a co equal
Speaker 1: branch of government. He really betrayed his most fundamental trust
Speaker 1: as a president. And I think that alone warrants impeachment.
Speaker 1: I think it warrants a trial. I think it even
Speaker 1: warrants removal from office. I mean, it's almost it's really
Speaker 1: too late, effectively, but it's certainly meets the test that
Speaker 1: is qualify him to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust,
Speaker 1: or even profit under the US. So what I want
Speaker 1: to know is what is the chances of him actually
Speaker 1: getting convicted? Because me and to me was having a
Speaker 1: discussion and she was saying, there's a certain amount of
Speaker 1: Republicans that have to agree that some of them have
Speaker 1: agreed to the impeachment, but now they won't agree to
Speaker 1: the conviction. And what does that process look like? We
Speaker 1: we did it in the House, I mean, now it's
Speaker 1: really in the Senate's hands, and if it if it
Speaker 1: fails in the Senate, because even though we have a
Speaker 1: slim it looks like we're gonna have a slim margin
Speaker 1: of the majority in the Senate. But that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: all senators will be in an agreement universally, because senators
Speaker 1: represent the entire states, and the more we get into
Speaker 1: Biden's administration, I think he's going to see people with
Speaker 1: less of a less of an appetite quite frankly, to
Speaker 1: pursue an impeachment. Especially a third of them will be
Speaker 1: on the battle in two so a lot of them
Speaker 1: are not gonna want to deal with this impeachment question
Speaker 1: when many of their states have huge Trump supporters, particularly
Speaker 1: of the strand that we saw the other day. And
Speaker 1: a lot of these senators happen to be moderate senators,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that I don't think they want
Speaker 1: to take that political risk because if I were running
Speaker 1: against them, I would certainly use it to unseat them.
Speaker 1: So it's a political calculation they're going to have to make,
Speaker 1: and quite frankly, some of them philosophically feel like it's unnecessary.
Speaker 1: We need to go forward. Joe Biden has already said
Speaker 1: that he's not going to pursue any investigations against Donald
Speaker 1: Trump once he's in office. Um, some of us have
Speaker 1: been critical of that, but you know, I think that
Speaker 1: he's looking at his own legacy and and and Joe
Speaker 1: Biden is uh, he's a Democrat, but he's also a
Speaker 1: centrist as well, So he's still having to appeal to
Speaker 1: senators that he's going to have to talk to when
Speaker 1: it comes to time for his his infrastructure bill that
Speaker 1: we're hoping for. So now, am I right that you
Speaker 1: need a trial and conviction in order for the things
Speaker 1: that you mentioned, you know, for him not to be
Speaker 1: able to run in and for there to harsh uh
Speaker 1: circumstances that are applied to the impeachment. Is that correct?
Speaker 1: That is correct? That is correct? So the question becomes
Speaker 1: who will have the stomach. You know, it's the popular
Speaker 1: thing to do right now, and you know what this
Speaker 1: new cycle, things change very rapidly so when it becomes unpopular,
Speaker 1: when it becomes a thing of the past, I don't
Speaker 1: think a lot of people will have the stomach the
Speaker 1: trial can happen after Joe Biden is in office in
Speaker 1: the White House. We still have a trial and a
Speaker 1: procedure and investigations and hearings that many people still plan
Speaker 1: on holding after Trump was out of office. Um, my
Speaker 1: hope is that we will still move forward. But there
Speaker 1: are even new Democrats who are in very marginal districts
Speaker 1: who just don't want to deal with it. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are folks who didn't want to deal with the
Speaker 1: impeachment in the first place over a year ago who
Speaker 1: were Democrats, And now, um, under the year of reapportionment,
Speaker 1: where you have a lot of general assemblies and state
Speaker 1: legislators who are redrawing these congressional maps, A lot of
Speaker 1: people don't want to be vocal because they don't want
Speaker 1: to piss off their state senators and state representatives who
Speaker 1: are gonna be drawing these maps in the next few months.
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, because depending on the state, I know, I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna get our maps in like April. A
Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna get their maps and their
Speaker 1: new districts, and they don't want to piss off anybody,
Speaker 1: uh and that environment, especially if they barely want by
Speaker 1: a certain percentage depending only depending on the makeup of
Speaker 1: they don't want to do it political expediency. So basically
Speaker 1: what's going on is Trump has gangster the whole system
Speaker 1: pretty much. It's like like this, like when you sit
Speaker 1: there and thinking about this is really like when you
Speaker 1: watch our camponent j'all guard. What they've done have created
Speaker 1: a structure that says you can't touch us. Like when
Speaker 1: you say untouchable, they've created an untouchable Like, Okay, if
Speaker 1: you go against Trump, you have to really worry about
Speaker 1: losing your livelihood, you have to be worried about being ousted.
Speaker 1: You actually have to worry about your life. Like this
Speaker 1: is really serious. This is when I'm sitting here listening
Speaker 1: to this. People know that he did something wrong, they
Speaker 1: know he should get impeached, They know what he did
Speaker 1: as a crime. But people that they're supposed to uphold
Speaker 1: the constitution and laws, and he got so scared to say, yo,
Speaker 1: you did something wrong that people are just want just
Speaker 1: wanted to go away. And then when they think it's
Speaker 1: gonna go away, he actually can run again and and
Speaker 1: regain the same seat again, And people and now people
Speaker 1: actually saying, you know what, I'd rather just let that happen.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's I think you're on the
Speaker 1: right track. I think that there are people like Liz Cheney,
Speaker 1: and there are other people who have spoken out about it,
Speaker 1: uh Kims and dirt. But I have seen people who
Speaker 1: come from Ivy League institutions. I've seen people who have
Speaker 1: been generals. I've seen people who in their communities their
Speaker 1: viewed as being decisive leaders, as bold leaders. When dude
Speaker 1: walks in the room, and I've only met him twice,
Speaker 1: he's he objectively, he's likable. But I grew up in
Speaker 1: the hood. I go up around sociopaths and psychopaths, and
Speaker 1: I grew up around kats who and and I didn't
Speaker 1: let them bar me, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: I'm not letting dude bar me. So it just it
Speaker 1: shocks me that these people who are supposed to be
Speaker 1: so about our democracy and so about uh making sure
Speaker 1: that we have separate, coequal branches of government. I mean,
Speaker 1: people who were reckless when it came to Obama, people
Speaker 1: who were bold and even disrespectful when it came to
Speaker 1: their critiques of President Obama. They were shaking up when
Speaker 1: Trump was in the room. They just wanted him to
Speaker 1: wave at him if he would do an ad for him.
Speaker 1: They were so afraid that he would come into their districts,
Speaker 1: do a rally and say, well, you know what, I
Speaker 1: love your state, but your commiss woman, your congressmen, they suck.
Speaker 1: That alone could jeopardize somebody's reelection effort. So the limit
Speaker 1: of that kind of reality, I think it's it's sad.
Speaker 1: And then you had Republican leadership who wouldn't back him up.
Speaker 1: So if Trump said that and a chief party candidate
Speaker 1: wanted to run against the city Republican, you would have
Speaker 1: a fear from the from the RNC not dumping money
Speaker 1: into your campaign to help you block against being primary.
Speaker 1: And so to your point, it was a very gangster
Speaker 1: and manipulative. But but but I wonder, man, I think
Speaker 1: that this is such a case study in the human behavior.
Speaker 1: You know, in the in the seventies and eighties and nineties,
Speaker 1: there was a big effort in the mental health community,
Speaker 1: particularly with psychologists of de programming people who came from
Speaker 1: so called cults. And I know that's a controversial term
Speaker 1: or or the more believe me, I definitely applies here precisely.
Speaker 1: But you know, you you you look at you look
Speaker 1: at cats like Trump or or somebody like Jim Jones
Speaker 1: or David Koresh. I wonder, and I raised this question
Speaker 1: the other day. I was on a zoom with Dame
Speaker 1: Dash and some pastors. I wonder, if people start off
Speaker 1: like this and then they become corrupt, or was it
Speaker 1: already in them in the environment brought out. I think
Speaker 1: the people think it's a combination of both. I think
Speaker 1: being someone who's very I consider myself to be cerebral
Speaker 1: and a thinker who constantly thinks and strategizes, I'm able
Speaker 1: to see these things right and I am I'm able
Speaker 1: to realize that if I was somebody who was for evil,
Speaker 1: I can utilize this ability to think for evil. I realized.
Speaker 1: So when I watch other people do it, like I
Speaker 1: noticed a sociopath, I can look at the sociopath easily,
Speaker 1: but they know exactly what they're doing because when you,
Speaker 1: when you are a thinker, you know exactly what you're doing.
Speaker 1: So I think it's a mixture of both. I think
Speaker 1: people they start off, they start to realize that they
Speaker 1: have this gift, They have this power that a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't tune into. A lot of people don't
Speaker 1: understand that they're the strength that they have in their
Speaker 1: conviction and their thoughts actually become things, right, A lot
Speaker 1: of people don't notice that. It's about how you utilize
Speaker 1: you know, It's like Obama has the same ability, right,
Speaker 1: but he never wanted to utilize it for what it
Speaker 1: is that this is. It's like two polar when you
Speaker 1: look at this, right, I was watching the Matrix the
Speaker 1: other day, So this is like Neo and Smith, right,
Speaker 1: They was actually this Mr Smith and Neil. They was
Speaker 1: actually the same person. It was just like the opposite.
Speaker 1: He was his opposite twin. You know, Neo was trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how to save everybody and Smith was
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to take over everything. You know.
Speaker 1: That's why Trump bothered Obama so much, right, because he's
Speaker 1: seen the power he had. But he was bothered by
Speaker 1: I mean, he's bothered by Obama so much because he
Speaker 1: had He's seen this man who had the most charisma,
Speaker 1: was loved by everybody, and he couldn't understand what he
Speaker 1: wanted the same power, but he wanted it for negativity.
Speaker 1: So it's like a polar opposite, right. So I think
Speaker 1: your to your point, it has it's something that you're
Speaker 1: born with, but then when you realize it, it's which
Speaker 1: way you take it. And I think Trump has realized
Speaker 1: that he wanted to take it to control everything, not
Speaker 1: to try to make things better. So we always knew
Speaker 1: this about Trump, right, because we're New Yorkers, and so
Speaker 1: we know him and Juliani, all these individuals. We know
Speaker 1: them from many many years ago, from decades ago when
Speaker 1: he was being a slum lord and a you know,
Speaker 1: a terrible employer, a racist, a bigot, especially in the
Speaker 1: way that he handled the Central Park five when he
Speaker 1: took out the advertisement in the New York Times paiper
Speaker 1: full page ad calling for their execution, and still to
Speaker 1: this day, knowing that they have been exonerated, he has
Speaker 1: never ever apologized in or said that he now knows
Speaker 1: that he was wrong. So this is his behavior. But
Speaker 1: I don't want to lose you before for hearing more
Speaker 1: from you about what happened in your situation, because I
Speaker 1: don't know if we're talking enough about what these insurrectionists
Speaker 1: these thugs, right, I call them ghetto, all of them. Right.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we talk enough about what particular
Speaker 1: congressional members have suffered as a result of them being
Speaker 1: in that building. Corey Bush's tweeted the other day something
Speaker 1: I thought was so powerful. She says, we're building a
Speaker 1: perimeter around the outside of the capital to keep people out,
Speaker 1: but the real threat is on the inside with us.
Speaker 1: And there they were setting y'all up inside the building.
Speaker 1: So now we know that there was a letter that
Speaker 1: was found by one of these individuals with your name
Speaker 1: on it, and it is a national security threat? Can
Speaker 1: you tell us about that? Yeah? You know, I was
Speaker 1: very um disappointed. I don't want to say shock, uh.
Speaker 1: And I found out about this indicted terrorists that he
Speaker 1: had the means, the opportunity to carry out plans to
Speaker 1: violently attack, injure and destroy government officials, government property. And
Speaker 1: you know, these weren't just idol threats. These were planned
Speaker 1: and organized measures to take my life, my colleagues lives,
Speaker 1: and to destroy our government. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's especially disappointing to see the failure by law enforcement officials,
Speaker 1: especially the Capitol police, to notify people like myself. I
Speaker 1: get death threats all the time, and a few times
Speaker 1: the FBI reached out. We always contact the Capitol Police
Speaker 1: and the Sergeant at Arms, and they have failed miserably.
Speaker 1: I had colleagues criticized me because for the past decade,
Speaker 1: I've been openly critical of the Sergeant at arms, because
Speaker 1: every time I've gotten a death threat, they've been very dismissive.
Speaker 1: He had my name on the list of good guys
Speaker 1: and bad guys. And you know, first of all, as
Speaker 1: a black man and as a Muslim, you know, I've
Speaker 1: been on the corner as a teenager and dudes have
Speaker 1: pulled up and shout out the block looking for somebody else,
Speaker 1: and I've not been hit, and I was. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feared for my life. And I would expe actually
Speaker 1: as an as a as a middle aged man, as
Speaker 1: an adult, to at least be safe on Capital grounds.
Speaker 1: You know what I have. I have even my experience
Speaker 1: having been arrested at seventeen outside of a mosque and
Speaker 1: and and charge with battery on the police officer resisting
Speaker 1: the rest in fleeing, certainly not the experience that my
Speaker 1: brother my son has gone through. But then having even
Speaker 1: been in law enforcement for a few years. You know,
Speaker 1: I've I've won my colleagues about the serious threat to
Speaker 1: national security by white nationalists, domestic terrorists, and seeing these
Speaker 1: additionists rampaids to the capital with their Confederate flags, and
Speaker 1: and learning that many of the attackers had affiliations with
Speaker 1: police agencies, not a shocker, and and and some of
Speaker 1: these guys were part time military and active military. And
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that there should be any
Speaker 1: doubt that white supremacy is the largest threat to our
Speaker 1: internal security. The FBI restrict least to report five years
Speaker 1: ago verifying that white supremacists pose the greatest threat to
Speaker 1: our internal security. When you hear terrorism, it has a
Speaker 1: Muslim face, and Islamic face, a brown face, certainly a
Speaker 1: black face, but you don't deal with the whiteness that
Speaker 1: exists within terrorists. Right now, there is no federal charge
Speaker 1: for domestic terrorism home grown I call it homegrown terrorism,
Speaker 1: homegrown terrors. So that's why they're looking at vandalism suddition
Speaker 1: to these kinds of charges. But I think that we
Speaker 1: have to approach domestic terrorism now. There's a school of
Speaker 1: thought that says, if you have established a federal domestic
Speaker 1: terrorism charge. Then you're gonna have law enforcement and federal
Speaker 1: agencies target black lives, matters, target other organizations with these charges.
Speaker 1: So it's a tricky situation, but I think we have
Speaker 1: to develop language that has a specificity to attack these groups.
Speaker 1: So we have the opportunity, I believe in this moment
Speaker 1: to get the work done if if ever, And I
Speaker 1: trust individuals like you, Congressman Carson. You also our friends,
Speaker 1: so we also call you Andre, but we are We
Speaker 1: appreciate you for coming in and speaking with us today
Speaker 1: and kind of giving us more insight, and you have
Speaker 1: so much more to offer. We can hear it. Like
Speaker 1: you know, we definitely need to have you back on definitely, man.
Speaker 1: You know your family to us. Man, we just God
Speaker 1: bless you that you know that while you inside there
Speaker 1: that you know nothing happened to you guys in your
Speaker 1: life is safe. You know those threats havening't been have
Speaker 1: materialized into anything. Man. But we just want to let
Speaker 1: you know you in our prayers, we appreciate the work
Speaker 1: that you do brother, in the way that you represent
Speaker 1: us properly in those buildings. So thank you continue to
Speaker 1: do what you do, man, Thank you man. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you both. Man, what an honor to be on the platform,
Speaker 1: and I'm so proud of you all. Keep up the
Speaker 1: bit work man. But it's still dre you know what
Speaker 1: it is. That's right. Appreciate you man. Before we go
Speaker 1: to the next segment and have our special guests joint,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break for our sponsors. Still
Speaker 1: dread even though he got his little suit on. You know,
Speaker 1: he's always got love for Drake Man. He was the
Speaker 1: first person that brought me to the Legislative Conference, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, first panel when I was just
Speaker 1: getting my feet wet into activism, and you know, he
Speaker 1: recognized it, had me spriped some bars and all that there.
Speaker 1: So it's always love and just hearing him and understanding
Speaker 1: this process. I just don't think we're gonna get that
Speaker 1: was that was what from. But he's gonna be But
Speaker 1: I can't. I think though, I think though we have
Speaker 1: to keep things, this is really important. We gotta keep
Speaker 1: things on very specific tracks. We cannot let what Donald
Speaker 1: Trump is doing allow us to forget right that we
Speaker 1: just won the White House up against these same people
Speaker 1: because they went they went to war it's not like
Speaker 1: they were cool. But you gotta think about this, right,
Speaker 1: we want the else, right, But when you think about
Speaker 1: how scared these people are still with Trump after we won,
Speaker 1: Like it's not like we lost, right if we was
Speaker 1: lost and Trump was still like moving going to the
Speaker 1: next level and people were scared, and he'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this man is losing. Got impeached and they still scared
Speaker 1: to like this. But he didn't have to say it
Speaker 1: to me, because this is what I was thinking, because
Speaker 1: I'm really watching. When I watched the Republicans talk about Trump, right,
Speaker 1: and they said, don't divide the country anymore, Like they're
Speaker 1: literally scared, right, well to hold somebody. Listen to me,
Speaker 1: when you are scared to hold someone account, Like we
Speaker 1: know he did it wrong, but we just we want
Speaker 1: to ignore it because he's so strong that him being
Speaker 1: mad at us can completely divide this country and we
Speaker 1: just don't want to deal with that. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if they're just scared. I think that they are
Speaker 1: him and he is them. I think we have to
Speaker 1: stop giving them excuses for why they're doing what they're doing.
Speaker 1: These people want their power, their way, But right now,
Speaker 1: the most fabulous woman that I most fabulous soul. And
Speaker 1: you know this is my stand out all the fabulous
Speaker 1: because I'm a fabulous Harlem girl. There is my fabulous
Speaker 1: Harlem sister. We've just been talking about impeachment and it's
Speaker 1: it just feels so good to turn and look at you.
Speaker 1: You always gotta smile, so we don't have some energy,
Speaker 1: look at all, look at all that background around you?
Speaker 1: Did that? You did that. We love you so much,
Speaker 1: Betty Smith. I love you guys so much. And you
Speaker 1: know when I reached out to you to Mika, I
Speaker 1: wanted to be on this show because it's so important
Speaker 1: what you guys are doing and all the my show,
Speaker 1: I mean, my my book is about transformation and remixing
Speaker 1: your life and and and making changes in your life.
Speaker 1: I do have to address racial politics in it because
Speaker 1: there's no way that I could be I could have
Speaker 1: had the careers that I had UM and with stood
Speaker 1: all of the micro and macro racial aggressions that I
Speaker 1: experienced UM if I didn't have a strong, solid foundation
Speaker 1: that you personally have experienced exactly in your personal life.
Speaker 1: Because you're a very bold woman and you've been out here.
Speaker 1: You look amazing amazing thirty years old tops. But I
Speaker 1: know Betty Smithson's I was a young girl, and I
Speaker 1: have a great deal of respect for your career and
Speaker 1: the path that you have chartered. I know that you
Speaker 1: walking into the room as bold Betty didn't work everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you know what they're honestly to Maka, I made
Speaker 1: it work because I refused to ask for permission. You know,
Speaker 1: I stood very strong on and the fact that I
Speaker 1: was from a cultural legacy of black greatness. So when
Speaker 1: I was in Milan and Powers and sitting back in
Speaker 1: French um front world of fashion shows, and people say, well,
Speaker 1: where are you from, I would tell them harm not Manhattan,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I would tell them harm
Speaker 1: because that's where I'm from, and that's what gave me
Speaker 1: the ump and the zest and the zeal in which
Speaker 1: to get things done. It really was harm. So actually,
Speaker 1: the last acknowledgement in my book is actually to Harlem
Speaker 1: the Hamlet. And I also point out something else. Even
Speaker 1: when I started making good money, probably in my late twenties,
Speaker 1: and I chose to stay in my community because I
Speaker 1: knew it was important for people to see me. I
Speaker 1: knew it was very important for black girls to see me.
Speaker 1: So on any given day, you can find Betty, this
Speaker 1: international superstar in her listen to me. She's so connected.
Speaker 1: Like I've known Bevy for so many is and she's
Speaker 1: been you know, there's a lot of people in this
Speaker 1: industry that the industry changes them or they're not accessible.
Speaker 1: They they industry play these little industry games. Bevy has
Speaker 1: never been that person. She's always a phone call away.
Speaker 1: I call up, she called me. She we can have
Speaker 1: a regular conversation. We meet up, we see each other
Speaker 1: out of state. We said that the bar have a drink.
Speaker 1: She's still having the same conversation. Like you are one
Speaker 1: of the most down to earth people and watching you
Speaker 1: grow constantly reinvent yourself and be successful in so many
Speaker 1: different ways, Like knowing that you came through the same
Speaker 1: industry and you was doing all these things. I met
Speaker 1: you in fact Joe's trailer, you know, after I came
Speaker 1: home from prison and you was in there and me
Speaker 1: and you just started building and you've just been the
Speaker 1: same person. Like how do you continue to reinvent yourself?
Speaker 1: Like what is the secret sauce? The secret sauce is
Speaker 1: really not ever being complacent complacent, never resting on your laurels,
Speaker 1: and you know, always being up for the chat range
Speaker 1: and always wanted to experience something new, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, I think that one of the saddest
Speaker 1: things is that, you know, so many times in our
Speaker 1: community we don't even dare to dream. We stifle our dreams.
Speaker 1: And it's not our fault really, it's that that's kind
Speaker 1: of been and bred in us a lot of times
Speaker 1: to um, you know, have dreams, but make sure they're sensible, right.
Speaker 1: So you could have a dream to be a lawyer
Speaker 1: or a doctor, but you can't have a dream to
Speaker 1: be an author or to be a TV personality or
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so a lot of
Speaker 1: times they put a cap on our dreams. Also, we're
Speaker 1: not giving the exposure even though like when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, I came up through advertising and I started
Speaker 1: as a receptionist and it was only working in the
Speaker 1: environment that I learned about becoming a media director, which
Speaker 1: is what I did in my twenties. And I started
Speaker 1: this career in fashion advertising. But I didn't know that
Speaker 1: as a little girl growing up in the hood, that
Speaker 1: I could even have a career and advertising and certainly
Speaker 1: not in fashion, do you so are you a big
Speaker 1: ment for yes, you know that now you have a
Speaker 1: bunch of babies. I know I have a bunch of babies.
Speaker 1: That's the mother part of the book, you know, it
Speaker 1: really does come from my L G. B. T qu
Speaker 1: I A family that called me mother. That that um
Speaker 1: Derek J and Ms Lawrence, my co host from Bravo's
Speaker 1: Fashion Queens, they started calling me mother on set and
Speaker 1: then it just kind of carried on. And then the
Speaker 1: auntie part is really about the young women. And I
Speaker 1: will say young under forty, the forty really under thirty five.
Speaker 1: I might give y'all something like your thirty six and
Speaker 1: thirty seven, and you've seen you on TV, and you
Speaker 1: think of me as your cool auntire, you think of
Speaker 1: me as all the times I get the rich auntie.
Speaker 1: And then also the best tie part is for me
Speaker 1: and my girlfriends to contempor reveries. You know, we're gonna
Speaker 1: been through some things. We know a few things. We're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna share war stories over cocktails and batuliss trips,
Speaker 1: and you don't doing the things and the things right,
Speaker 1: and we can learn and let me ask one more
Speaker 1: can you notice. I'm sorry, I know you've got questions,
Speaker 1: but learn right. So I was earlier today and every
Speaker 1: show that we do, I have my thought of the day,
Speaker 1: and I've talked about the journey and the fact that
Speaker 1: so many of these young people think things are gonna
Speaker 1: happen quickly. They're just gonna get up and have all
Speaker 1: the money, and there's no strategy to it, you know,
Speaker 1: they just expect someone to give them something. And I
Speaker 1: am constantly talking to my babies because now I am
Speaker 1: forty and so i have a bunch of babies and
Speaker 1: I'm constantly talking to them about that journey and that grind.
Speaker 1: Why don't you talk to us about that from from
Speaker 1: your perspective? And when I asked you about having the babies,
Speaker 1: I know from us, and I'm sure you experienced the
Speaker 1: same thing when we had mentors. Sometimes it wasn't that
Speaker 1: they sat with you and talked to you every day.
Speaker 1: You just had to watch the work and figure out
Speaker 1: the lessons along the way. It was through osmosis, and
Speaker 1: we sat down and we looked, and we watched, and
Speaker 1: we paid attention and we did try and show both
Speaker 1: when when brown folks were talking, we were quiet because
Speaker 1: we knew they were gonna drop some gems and some
Speaker 1: jewels when we was gonna catch them, and then we
Speaker 1: was gonna go and and get a chain made out
Speaker 1: the jewels, you know, I mean, that's what we did. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know, for me, one of the greatest gifts
Speaker 1: that I've ever had is my journey. So when I
Speaker 1: quit my job at Only Someone magazine at the age
Speaker 1: of thirty eight, I had no idea would take seven
Speaker 1: years to actually secure the TV job that I was
Speaker 1: going after. Took seven years. That's when the hell of
Speaker 1: a journey. And honestly, if I had known it was
Speaker 1: gonna take seven years, I may not have quit. That's
Speaker 1: a really long time. I mean, obviously I'm rever be
Speaker 1: happy that I did it because it worked out really great.
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, in between time. In my book,
Speaker 1: the chapter that I talked about is Broke but Blissful,
Speaker 1: And that's when I went broke. That that's when like
Speaker 1: threifty thousand dollars a year and then two years later
Speaker 1: two three to thirty five thousand dollars. So one tempt
Speaker 1: of what I used to make and what did that
Speaker 1: look like? Will that look like? Housing court. Will that
Speaker 1: look like stretching meals, that look like having to borrow
Speaker 1: money from my old parents, having to borrow money from
Speaker 1: one of my dear friends who lived all the way
Speaker 1: in communist China, and she had to find a way
Speaker 1: to wire me some thousands of dollars so I wouldn't
Speaker 1: get evicted, you know. So there were all these trials
Speaker 1: and tribulations. But along the way, there was so much
Speaker 1: bliss going on. Like, for instance, I just had Prell
Speaker 1: on my radio show. He was my first guest ever
Speaker 1: on Revelations, and he came back to celebrate the launch
Speaker 1: of this book and he talked about the dinner parties
Speaker 1: said I created. So I created a business when I
Speaker 1: was broke called Dinner with Beby, and I took what
Speaker 1: was at my hands. And this is the important part
Speaker 1: for your audience. We all have innate gifts and skill sets,
Speaker 1: and it's about us taking what we have at our hands.
Speaker 1: As black folks and it's brown folks. We have that gift.
Speaker 1: We have the tenacity, we have the resilience, and we
Speaker 1: have the ingenuity to take with this at our hands
Speaker 1: and create something. That's what we did with hip hop.
Speaker 1: That's what I did with dinner with you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, We're gonna take We're gonna make nothing into
Speaker 1: something all day every day. That's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: You're gonna make lemonade and we're gonna spike it because
Speaker 1: you you're gonna spike it. You definitely. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: us about the book, like what is the name of
Speaker 1: the book? Ok we need to get the relations lessons
Speaker 1: for my mother auntie bestie. So all right, I broke
Speaker 1: down with the mother. The auntie. The bestie is about
Speaker 1: I called the unholy trinity um and so to me,
Speaker 1: you would be a bestie to me, but to so
Speaker 1: many people you are auntie, and to other people you're
Speaker 1: also a mother. Now seeing my son, you are bestie
Speaker 1: to a lot of people, a lot of people. But
Speaker 1: then you also have aunties in your life ahead you
Speaker 1: got well, sir, Okay, And so the book is really
Speaker 1: about um my trials and tribulations from finding out that
Speaker 1: I was miserable even though I had a dream job.
Speaker 1: Obviously only black person in management et wonman Stone magazine.
Speaker 1: They had a writer to Ray. He was there, but
Speaker 1: he was on the crem on the editorial side. I
Speaker 1: was on the business side, a k a. The money,
Speaker 1: with the money. I was. I was residing with the money, Okay,
Speaker 1: I was with the money aside of that and UM,
Speaker 1: but obviously only one. And this is in two thousand
Speaker 1: and five and and and to me, that's just ridiculous
Speaker 1: that even in two thousand and five there was still
Speaker 1: the only one conversations going on. UM. But when I
Speaker 1: quit my job, I quit with the idea that I
Speaker 1: wanted to do TV. I want the DJ I want
Speaker 1: to be a photographer. I wanted to be a para sailor.
Speaker 1: I want to be a writer. I want to be
Speaker 1: an actor. I want to do whatever my creative spirit
Speaker 1: led me to do. I quit for freedom. But this
Speaker 1: book is about how anyone can do it. I get
Speaker 1: practical tips on how to build your son. Before you
Speaker 1: finish that, let me say to our audience, I to
Speaker 1: Maka Mallory, I'm going to go purchase twenty books today
Speaker 1: and I am going to send these books to young
Speaker 1: women who I work with across the country that I
Speaker 1: think me to read and know more about this young
Speaker 1: woman who came up in Harlem, who is now the mother,
Speaker 1: the auntie and the bestie of us as black women,
Speaker 1: but so many people around the world. And so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna buy twenty books and all of my young mentees
Speaker 1: and friends will receive those books, but I gotta get
Speaker 1: them signed by you. So I gotta drop a meta
Speaker 1: door man. Have you signed a minute? Pick him up?
Speaker 1: Because you know it's still COVID. And I learned on
Speaker 1: your Instagram page that the way to talk to you
Speaker 1: is from downstairs outside your balcony. I love it. I'm
Speaker 1: like Juliette Romeo. Yeah, I like that. Well, listen, we
Speaker 1: love you so much and we gotta make sure. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna see if I can get me a couple of
Speaker 1: books from my little sisters, my mom's. You got to
Speaker 1: get those, Like do you know what it is? Ever
Speaker 1: since I met you, you give me like Petty Libell
Speaker 1: is like my favorite person in the world. And you
Speaker 1: give me like that vibe. You got that Patty vibe,
Speaker 1: and it's just so dope. So that's why when you
Speaker 1: when I'm looking at this book in the name of it,
Speaker 1: everything fits, Like I'm telling you, this is exactly who
Speaker 1: Bevy is. She is the best friend, Auntie, the mother,
Speaker 1: She she embodies all that. So I'm just so proud
Speaker 1: of you, man, for real. We love you so much,
Speaker 1: and I just want you to know that I started
Speaker 1: pumping up my mid area here and wearing it out
Speaker 1: a little bit in because you told me you don't
Speaker 1: got to cover it all up all the time. Just
Speaker 1: because you in social justice doesn't mean you can't be sexy.
Speaker 1: And so you definitely rocking my saying. And you kill
Speaker 1: it and you kill it, and you are so sexy.
Speaker 1: You have incredible legs, you have, you lookful little tiny feet.
Speaker 1: You are a sex shot and a social activist. I mean, now,
Speaker 1: don't guess. I gotta deal with it when you leave it.
Speaker 1: But you know you're sexy, Okay, baby, you tell me
Speaker 1: more what it's true? Yeah, we love try to keep it,
Speaker 1: you know, because my grandmother always says, no matter what
Speaker 1: you're going through, getting that mirror, put that lipstick on,
Speaker 1: bruce yourself up and feel good about you even if
Speaker 1: no one else does. Don't look like what you've been through.
Speaker 1: There you go. That's us. So thank you guys so much.
Speaker 1: We love you, We thank you for coming to I
Speaker 1: would show you whenever you want to come you here, belations. Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you guys. Man, She was like just getting warmed up.
Speaker 1: You know, we know she's really really just um dope,
Speaker 1: and I know I'm learning from her. Not enough of
Speaker 1: our young people understand how important some of what she
Speaker 1: was talking about. She said one thing that I know
Speaker 1: a lot of younger folks don't necessarily like that. We
Speaker 1: said we sat in rooms and we were quiet. I
Speaker 1: did that for many years in my career. I sat
Speaker 1: in rooms where I did not speak. They always said
Speaker 1: you'd be seen and not heard. And I know that,
Speaker 1: you know when we you know, it's not something that
Speaker 1: you want to pass around freely, right because we don't
Speaker 1: want to be stifling our younger people and not allowing
Speaker 1: them to have a voice. But there is a process,
Speaker 1: and it is important to listen. It's important to taking
Speaker 1: a lot of information and to be a fly on
Speaker 1: the wall, especially when you're coming up. And so if
Speaker 1: I go out right now with you know, Bev Smith
Speaker 1: and Tradasse from Sylvia's and other women um that I
Speaker 1: look up to and that I respect. When I'm out
Speaker 1: with them, I listen, you know, and of course they
Speaker 1: respect me and I can have a voice. But I listened.
Speaker 1: I'm listening to bed with I was like intently listening
Speaker 1: to what she has to say. And I'm gonna read
Speaker 1: this book with intention as well to learn and to
Speaker 1: pass them. Definitely, gotta go get relations, relations, revelations, bevelations,
Speaker 1: Go get it man, you know, and I remember that sentiment,
Speaker 1: you know, as a young boy. I guess that's why
Speaker 1: I always had like a lot of older friends, because
Speaker 1: I would listen, because I was a sponge and I
Speaker 1: paid attention, like they would love to sit and talk
Speaker 1: to me when everybody else was trying to do a
Speaker 1: lot of things. I wanted to get information. I was
Speaker 1: sitting around people, especially people that I've seen that were
Speaker 1: successful with the things that I wanted to do. I
Speaker 1: would sit around and just listen and ask questions and
Speaker 1: then just take in, not just debate. Even if I
Speaker 1: didn't agree with something, I would just take it in
Speaker 1: after and then when I when I didn't agree, but
Speaker 1: when I didn't, you do you still do that. I
Speaker 1: don't agree with you because you're crazy. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, you know, when I didn't agree,
Speaker 1: I would think about the way to say okay, to
Speaker 1: to relate that I don't agree without being being compared.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of these kids. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying you because you're very argument You don't
Speaker 1: realize no, no, I watch you in your communication with
Speaker 1: other peoples, go back to your lives. All I'm saying
Speaker 1: is that, well, I didn't say I wasn't I'm saying
Speaker 1: I am. But I what I will say is that
Speaker 1: that's something that I think is actually an attribute of yours.
Speaker 1: Even though sometimes you're a little nuts and we have
Speaker 1: to bring you down, calm you down, but you definitely
Speaker 1: will listen to people's perspectives. And then one day I
Speaker 1: hear you repeating what you heard in either the affirmative
Speaker 1: or not, saying this is what I think about it.
Speaker 1: But you won't necessarily say it in that moment because
Speaker 1: one thing that I think, um that I've noticed about
Speaker 1: you is you don't want to like to be wrong.
Speaker 1: That's a man thing, but you know that's another day,
Speaker 1: I guess women is. But but also what I think
Speaker 1: you don't want to do is to sound stupid in
Speaker 1: the room about something you don't know. So I think
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. It's a good thing. Well sometimes
Speaker 1: I just don't know it, and sometimes I don't get it.
Speaker 1: That brings me to I don't get it. So we've
Speaker 1: been talking about all of this with impeachment Trump and
Speaker 1: how this looks right and this is young there's a
Speaker 1: he's not a young boy anymore, but it's a boy
Speaker 1: by the name of Dante. Mit you a man actually
Speaker 1: forty one year old man who's been in prison since
Speaker 1: he was seventeen years you know, and he was heartbreak.
Speaker 1: It's heartbreak. He's been in prison since he was seventeen.
Speaker 1: He was arrested for robbin and McDonald's. He walked into
Speaker 1: McDonald's with a gun, shot in the air, told people
Speaker 1: to go in the back, locked the little room, took
Speaker 1: the money. No, he was injured, nobody was hurt. He
Speaker 1: didn't hit anybody, nothing. Seventeen year old, reckless, just being,
Speaker 1: you know, improperly influenced by just things. His mother was
Speaker 1: on drugs. He was dealing with so much different trauma,
Speaker 1: trauma that I've experienced myself. I know people going through it.
Speaker 1: And because of this, Crowning Man was sentence to thirty
Speaker 1: five to seventy years in prison. But somebody could have
Speaker 1: gotten hurt, Okay, it could have. And then I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he didn't deserve to have to go to prison,
Speaker 1: like I'm not saying that, but thirty five years at
Speaker 1: seventeen for comming a crime that nobody was hurt. Thirty
Speaker 1: five years. The man has been in jail for the
Speaker 1: last twenty four years. So what I don't get is
Speaker 1: how you can cause insurrections, but you can stom the
Speaker 1: capitol when intent to kid home like with intense you know,
Speaker 1: and people die in all of this, and and and
Speaker 1: the charges that you give these people or charges that
Speaker 1: they might do maybe four or five years, but you
Speaker 1: you're charging this man at seventeen year old, a kid
Speaker 1: thirty five or seventy years. We got a people that
Speaker 1: don't even want to impeach a president that caused insurrection,
Speaker 1: that caused the cool against this nation. They don't even
Speaker 1: want to impeach him. They want to give him the
Speaker 1: opportunity to be the president again. In But a seventeen
Speaker 1: year old boy, poverty stricken, dealing with drugs, dealing with
Speaker 1: trauma and communities, not even understanding the ramification of his actions.
Speaker 1: You were sentenced thirty five to seventy years and he's
Speaker 1: still in jail twenty four years after. You know, they're
Speaker 1: supposed to be acting in New York City, where they
Speaker 1: are acts where sixteen to seventeen shouldn't be charged as adults,
Speaker 1: where there were clemency situations that Governor Cromwell had promised
Speaker 1: to give consideration to, and this man fits the criteria
Speaker 1: for that. So I really just don't get what are
Speaker 1: we doing? What? Why are we over criminalizing our youth,
Speaker 1: especially black and brown youth. Why are we were so
Speaker 1: quick to throw the key away, you know, for young
Speaker 1: black boys who are definitely experienced in trauma. But white
Speaker 1: supremacists who planned to murder, who are grown and who
Speaker 1: understand the ramification and acts a president who causes and
Speaker 1: directs people to take over this government. We we barely
Speaker 1: go impeach him. We listened to you know, you know
Speaker 1: counsel I mean, Senator Carson explained to us how he
Speaker 1: doesn't even really believe that he's gonna get any conviction.
Speaker 1: But this young boy is sitting in jail. I'm looking
Speaker 1: on my phone to find the name of this woman,
Speaker 1: another woman that we've been talking about, Gloria Taylor. She
Speaker 1: confessed to selling a handful of cocaine and they gave her.
Speaker 1: She's been in prison now for thirty years or something
Speaker 1: and I don't know, nine hundred and nine nine years,
Speaker 1: nine years. It is the sentence for this woman. This
Speaker 1: is the time that she's serving for selling a handful
Speaker 1: of cocaine. The sentence and laws have got to be changed,
Speaker 1: the sentences laws and the people who you sentencing. You
Speaker 1: have to know, we have to notice. And this is
Speaker 1: why a lot of people were critical a Biden and
Speaker 1: this and this is why, and this is why I
Speaker 1: pledged to make sure that they held accountable. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of those laws, these crack laws that were
Speaker 1: put into order, they affected black and brown people, and
Speaker 1: they're still they were targeted and they're still affecting black
Speaker 1: and rown people. And we want this administration to understand
Speaker 1: that they have done harm to our communities and they
Speaker 1: have an obligation to try to write those wrongs. So
Speaker 1: when you look at Gloria Taylor, when you look at
Speaker 1: Dante Mitchell, you know you can. This is a good
Speaker 1: faith basis to start with making sure that you write
Speaker 1: these wrongs. And then as we go down the line
Speaker 1: and we look make these lords retroactive. Because people, when
Speaker 1: you think when I when I talked to this young
Speaker 1: man who was now in solitary confinement because he started
Speaker 1: organization for young black and brown youth and they called
Speaker 1: his organization a gang anything that you do inside the prison.
Speaker 1: Is he the one that they started making like clothes, No,
Speaker 1: he's not that guy. But that's another there's another guy.
Speaker 1: They started making clothes out of just you know, sheets
Speaker 1: and scraped something and they created like fashion and they
Speaker 1: and they locked them up because they said it was
Speaker 1: against the rules. So they stifle your your creativity, They
Speaker 1: styckle your your your ability to evolve and to grow.
Speaker 1: But eight clothes for corporate core craf. You can make
Speaker 1: the core crap, make the clothes Victorias, Victoria's Secret and
Speaker 1: all these you can make their clothes, but you can't
Speaker 1: work on your skill sets. So that if when we
Speaker 1: turn to to return to society at right, and so
Speaker 1: with Deante his name is Dante Dante and Gloria Taylor,
Speaker 1: these can't be situations that we just look at and
Speaker 1: say it's so bad. We actually have to do some work.
Speaker 1: And they have the ability to they can, they can,
Speaker 1: they can get clemency, like Dante is actually working on
Speaker 1: clemency and you know he's doing everything you can, so
Speaker 1: you know, we're looking at this administration, We're looking at
Speaker 1: people of influence, like, let's talk about this, let's make
Speaker 1: sure that these things are you know, rectified, and that
Speaker 1: these people actually have a chance to come home now
Speaker 1: and live productive lives. Absolutely, I agree with that said episode.
Speaker 1: We had a great conversation with both of our guests today.
Speaker 1: You can tell that they have a wealth of knowledge. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, Congressman Carson, I'm looking forward to us working
Speaker 1: with him. I'm sure that is a different swag that
Speaker 1: some of our congressional members have now that they know
Speaker 1: there's a White House. Um that they can call and
Speaker 1: get somebody with good sense on the phone. Doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they're always gonna do the right thing, but at least
Speaker 1: they can call up and have a conversation. They know
Speaker 1: that there's now going to be a Senate because I
Speaker 1: I can't imagine if I was a congressional member, how
Speaker 1: how after a while you just like you don't even
Speaker 1: want to be there anymore. Where every time you work
Speaker 1: hard to pass something, it goes to the Senate and
Speaker 1: it gets shot down that no one wants to operate
Speaker 1: at work in that type of environment all the time
Speaker 1: when you know that you're doing all this work and
Speaker 1: you're so invested, and it's not going to actually become
Speaker 1: law because there is another body that has more power
Speaker 1: than you. And so now they know that there's a
Speaker 1: fair shot. And so I would imagine that they're walking
Speaker 1: around because listen AOC and ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib
Speaker 1: and uh Corey Bush and Jamal Bowman. I mean, I
Speaker 1: can Yvette Clark and the names go on and on
Speaker 1: and on, and of course Andre Carson. We're looking for
Speaker 1: them to do some big things, big things, popping little
Speaker 1: things stuff hopefully hopefully big. Then listen, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: always be right, Jamika Mallory will not always be wrong
Speaker 1: most of the time, she folding to d Mallory. But
Speaker 1: we will both always be that's the fact. Thanks for
Speaker 1: joining street Politicians. Peace Peace as