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Speaker 1: Every day up the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 2: Y'all dun yep's the World's most Dangerous Morning to show

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Speaker 2: to Breakfast Club Charlamagne to God, Jess Hilarious DJ Envy

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Speaker 2: Envy is out today. But Lauren Loro says, and we

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Speaker 2: have a very special guest man, the host of my

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Speaker 2: favorite cable news UH network show, Abby Phillips, is here morning.

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Speaker 2: I say, Phillips is Philip, Abby Phillip.

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Speaker 3: That's okay. Though everybody to everybody puts an ess on it.

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Speaker 3: It's cool. It does not bother me. My friend says,

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Speaker 3: it's a sign of respect in our community like Salinas.

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Speaker 1: That what people name. Why do we do that?

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Speaker 3: It sounds right, it feels right.

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 3: I am good? I'm good. I'm hanging in there.

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Speaker 2: New book out, A Dream Deferred Jesse Jackson in the

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Speaker 2: Fight for Black political power. I'm from South Carolina, so

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Speaker 2: I completely understand Jesse Jackson, and you know why he

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Speaker 2: deserves all all the praise. But why did you decide

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Speaker 2: to write this book?

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Speaker 3: I think that there are a lot of people who

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Speaker 3: have no idea that he ran for president, honestly, and

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Speaker 3: they don't and if they know that he ran for president.

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Speaker 3: They probably don't have any idea that he came second

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Speaker 3: in the Democratic nomination in nineteen eighty eight, so he

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Speaker 3: was the runner up. And before Obama there was Jesse Jackson.

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Speaker 3: And I think this chapter really is more important now

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Speaker 3: than ever. Back in the eighties, I think people didn't

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Speaker 3: really mattered in the long term. But it clearly mattered

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Speaker 3: because had he not run, Obama wouldn't have been the nominee.

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Speaker 3: Had he not run, I don't know that you would

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Speaker 3: have like a Bernie Sanders or an AOC or even

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Speaker 3: a Zoron Mamdani. I mean, these are people who are

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Speaker 3: running on basically the same platform that Jesse Jackson ran on,

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Speaker 3: and he really transformed democratic politics, not to mention registering

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Speaker 3: the people that you know, people like Donna Brazil, Minon Moore,

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Speaker 3: and so many others who are leaders in the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 3: they are all there because of Jesse Jackson.

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Speaker 4: What I was going to say in the back of

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Speaker 4: your book the praises, Yeah, you say, like the first

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Speaker 4: one talks about how he doesn't how Jesse Deson doesn't

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Speaker 4: get credit for how influential on American politics as he was.

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Speaker 4: What credit do you want people to give him after

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Speaker 4: they read your book?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that he he transformed the

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Speaker 3: structure of the Democratic Party that made it easier for

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Speaker 3: outsiders to come in and disrupt the system. I think

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Speaker 3: that's really what his original goal was. When he was

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Speaker 3: running for president, he was basically saying to the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 3: not just black voters, but all kinds of other voters.

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Speaker 3: He brought Arab Americans into the voting process. He insisted

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Speaker 3: on women being on the ticket. That's why Democrats had

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Speaker 3: So what he was arguing for was a political system

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Speaker 3: and he deserves a lot of credit for that. But

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Speaker 3: I also think, you know, especially younger folks who look

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Speaker 3: after the eighty eight campaign was over, right, So but

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying like, this is not about any kind

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Speaker 3: this particular chapter of history. But it's important to know

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Speaker 3: that Jesse Jackson, like so many other of these leaders

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Speaker 3: And I think it's important to remember how much of

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Speaker 2: What was the single biggest myth or misconception you discovered

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Speaker 3: Correct that he was only running as a black candidate

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Speaker 3: But he was also in Missouri with white farmers. He

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Speaker 3: why he called it the Rainbow Coalition. I think people

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Speaker 3: he actually brought, as he said he would, a rainbow

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Speaker 3: There's this great picture I have in the book of

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Speaker 3: and that's a lie. And a lot of people diminish

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Speaker 3: that part of his campaign because it's easier to sort

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Speaker 3: of just put him in a box of he was

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Speaker 2: People when we fell short, because you know, you talk

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Speaker 2: about a lot in the book about the unlikely coalition

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems unlikely back then, but.

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Speaker 2: Now it's like the norm, right, exactly the President Obama

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Speaker 1: I mean all candidates try to do it. Where did

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Speaker 3: You think there were a lot of things that happened.

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Speaker 3: I think some of them were his own mistakes, and

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Speaker 3: had a very big controversy with the Jewistler. Yeah, he

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Speaker 3: I think the other part of it was that he

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Speaker 3: You know, he was like what Bernie Sanders was in

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Speaker 3: But I would say the other thing is that he

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Speaker 3: do think a lot of times if he were running today,

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was such a master of the press,

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of the critique he gives to too.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people say that he was just an

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Speaker 2: ambulance chasers to seek publicity, Like you know what, there

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Speaker 2: is an infamous story about how he wiped Martin's blood

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that is.

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Speaker 3: Even that's in the book. Look so read. I mean

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Speaker 3: you should. That part of his story is and I'm

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Speaker 3: glad you brought it up. It's important because that is

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Speaker 3: the double edged sword of Jesse Jackson was that he

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Speaker 3: all of these people, they're all flawed in some really

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Speaker 3: has a massive desire for attention, and he fits into

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Speaker 2: I don't mind it, though, because you know, we say

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Speaker 2: now one of the Democrats' biggest problems is not knowing

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Speaker 2: how to message. Yeah, not knowing how to communicate, not

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Speaker 2: knowing how to connect with people. Jesse did not have

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Speaker 3: He was a master connector. I mean, he really was,

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Speaker 3: and I do think he probably got more dogged for

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Speaker 3: he was able to do it because he had charisma,

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Speaker 3: And look, it's a skill, it's a particular gift. And

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Speaker 3: I think that gift was completely you know, it was

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Speaker 3: we understand now how rare that is. People like Obama

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Speaker 3: and he had it, and at that time it was

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Speaker 3: just kind of like, well, he's not a serious candidate.

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Speaker 5: And the opening of your book, you have a quote

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Speaker 3: The man in the arena.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, how do you think social media? Well, young people

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Speaker 5: growing up in the social media area these days, how

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Speaker 5: can he learn from a quote as strong as this one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean the quote speaks to the fact that the

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Speaker 5: you said to my daughter, Naomi, who showed me?

438
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Speaker 1: How?

439
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Speaker 5: How did your daughter show you how? What you mean?

440
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Speaker 3: I never knew how much I could do until I

441
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Speaker 3: had my daughter. And I think I know a lot

442
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Speaker 3: of mom's parents can relate to that that I was

443
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Speaker 3: probably limiting myself before I had her because being a parent,

444
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 3: you're like doing so much every single day, and there's

445
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 3: nothing more motivating than your child. There is nothing that

446
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 3: wakes me up up faster in the morning than my

447
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 3: daughter and knowing that I have to get up and

448
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 3: adam not only to put food on the table and

449
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Speaker 3: a roof over her head, but to show her what

450
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: it means to work really hard. And I started working

451
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Speaker 3: on this book like two months before I found out

452
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Speaker 3: that I was pregnant with her. It was kind of

453
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Speaker 3: a surprise, yeah, and I was like, oh my god,

454
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Speaker 3: what am I going to do? And then the morning

455
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 3: sickness hit and then I was launching a show and

456
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Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know if I can do this,

457
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Speaker 3: but I did. But I did it. And then when

458
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Speaker 3: she was born and I was trying to raise a

459
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Speaker 3: newborn as a first time mom and then trying to

460
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Speaker 3: work on this book, the thing that kept me going

461
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Speaker 3: was that I cannot quit on this for her. And so, yeah,

462
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Speaker 3: she showed me how to do the things that I

463
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: set out to do, and everything that I start, I

464
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Speaker 3: finish because of her. Because that's what we have to

465
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Speaker 3: do for our kids, is to like we are showing

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Speaker 3: them the way and she watches me, and you know,

467
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Speaker 3: she knows, like Mommy's going to a speech, Mommy's going

468
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Speaker 3: to an event. You know, she like she really she

469
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 3: clocks it. She recognizes everything that I'm doing, and it's

470
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Speaker 3: in that brain somewhere. And I know that when ten

471
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Speaker 3: years from now she's four, and now ten years from now,

472
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: fifteen years from now, that's going to be her normal.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I want.

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Speaker 1: Is expensive, so.

475
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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous out here to raise and educate a child.

476
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Speaker 3: So yes, that is so powerful.

477
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Speaker 1: I do love you shed light on that.

478
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Speaker 3: For me, that's really dope.

479
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I wanted to ask you to write when

480
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Speaker 2: you did get the backlash from the Jillian Michael's thing.

481
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of people making comments, and social media

482
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 2: is one thing, but when the comments come from people

483
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: you actually know, like whether it's other, whether it's prominent writer,

484
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Speaker 2: how did that make you feel?

485
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Speaker 3: I think it was disappointing because I I really hope

486
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Speaker 3: that we understand how important it is for people to

487
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 3: be free to say things that other people disagree with,

488
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 3: because when the tables turn, we want that ability. And

489
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Speaker 3: I also think it does not do us any favors

490
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Speaker 3: to pretend like a lot of people don't agree with

491
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Speaker 3: Jillian Michaels, and that it's an opportunity for us to

492
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Speaker 3: correct the record, educate you, to educate, to inform, to

493
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Speaker 3: put facts on the table. And I know, can I

494
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Speaker 3: be real, I know black people who agree with Jillian Michaels.

495
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: I've heard and not just recently. This is a her

496
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Speaker 3: talking point about how slavery existed all in the world,

497
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Speaker 3: and we overemphasize it here in the United States. I

498
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: have had black people say that to me, you know,

499
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: ten years ago, fifteen years ago. So it's not like

500
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Speaker 3: this is a new talking point. She didn't invent this

501
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: out of nowhere. So it's an opportunity for us to

502
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Speaker 3: correct it. And I feel like people who if you

503
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Speaker 3: call yourself a journalist, you should never I don't think

504
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: we should be in the business of saying it would

505
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Speaker 3: be better for us to just not hear the thing

506
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Speaker 3: that we disagree with. It is an opportunity for us

507
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 3: to do what we're supposed to do, which is to

508
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: actually give people something real to counter it with, gives

509
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: people facts to arm themselves with. That is what our

510
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 3: job is as journalists.

511
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Andrew gillim say he never he said this.

512
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Speaker 2: When we did it was the night of the election.

513
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Speaker 2: Maybe it was a couple weeksly armament, but he was

514
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Speaker 2: talking about in reference to your he said, I never

515
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Speaker 2: want to be blindsided about what the other side is

516
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Speaker 2: thinking ever.

517
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Speaker 1: Again.

518
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And then I think about that, and I also

519
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: think about and think about somebody.

520
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: Think about an eight year old child or a.

521
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Speaker 2: Fifteen year old child that might be just up watching

522
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Speaker 2: CNN one night or see that clip go viral. If

523
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Speaker 2: there's nobody there to correct that woman Jillian in that moment,

524
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Speaker 2: they might believe that too. They might take that information

525
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Speaker 2: and run with it. So you need people there to educate.

526
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Speaker 2: I don't know why they're upset because you platform both.

527
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and look, there's a whole As you know,

528
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Speaker 3: the media is so fragmented right now. Everybody is consuming

529
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Speaker 3: media in their own silence, and a lot of people

530
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Speaker 3: on the left, liberals or whatever, they have no idea

531
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Speaker 3: what's being said in those conservative ecosystems. And one of

532
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Speaker 3: the things that we do is sort of try to

533
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Speaker 3: merge those information lanes a little bit more so that

534
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Speaker 3: we're actually hearing each other and so that you're not blindsided,

535
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: because there's a whole other world that's happening over here

536
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: that you don't even know about, and you don't find

537
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: out about until people vote, and by that point it's

538
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: too late. So there should be more of this happening

539
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Speaker 3: where we hear each other. We're able to put fight

540
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: fight if information with information, put facts facts against facts,

541
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Speaker 3: and have people pick, based on their own judgment, what

542
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Speaker 3: makes the most sense. And I trust people enough to

543
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Speaker 3: do that. I have enough respect for other human beings

544
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: that they can make decisions on their own. But I

545
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: do think that it requires that we really understand what

546
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Speaker 3: we're even talking about, and so I don't you know,

547
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it is a disappointing, yes, But I

548
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: also think that many of the people who criticize what

549
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: we do spend a lot of time just talking to

550
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Speaker 3: other people who agree with them. And that's a choice,

551
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: but it's not a choice that I'm making. And I

552
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Speaker 3: think actually a lot of people want to know, They

553
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Speaker 3: actually do want to know.

554
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Speaker 4: How do you feel when people say that CNN is

555
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Speaker 4: a network that just does what you just said you

556
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Speaker 4: don't want to do, Like your show is different because

557
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 4: you bring on these different voices but I've even seen

558
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 4: people say that they feel like sometimes the other voices

559
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Speaker 4: that are brought on are kind of brought on just

560
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Speaker 4: because they have to be there, not because like anybody

561
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Speaker 4: truly wants them there because CNN is known to be

562
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Speaker 4: or people think CNN always leans one way.

563
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Speaker 3: How do you feel about that it does? Well, mean, yeah,

564
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Speaker 3: and it's your network, so yeah, I mean, well, look,

565
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Speaker 3: I would say it's fair to say that that CNN

566
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: we're not Fox News, but we're also not MSNBC. We're true,

567
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 3: we're probably center left, and I think that has a

568
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 3: lot to do with our audience, but we watch when

569
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Speaker 3: you actually watch CNN, we have Republicans on every hour

570
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Speaker 3: of the day, every single one, I'm pretty sure, maybe

571
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: with very few exceptions, but virtually every hour of the day.

572
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Speaker 3: So they're not always on in the context that we

573
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Speaker 3: put them on. But we as a network have a

574
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Speaker 3: diversity of viewpoints on the air, more so than our competitors.

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Speaker 3: And so, I mean, liberal media is a criticism that

576
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Speaker 3: I think we hear a lot, but there's also way

577
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Speaker 3: more liberal media and way more conservative media, and so

578
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Speaker 3: I don't I don't know, I don't put that much

579
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Speaker 3: stock in it. I think it's I think it's it's

580
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Speaker 3: a little bit a reflection of the cable news audience.

581
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Speaker 3: But I also think that there are extremes on both sides,

582
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Speaker 3: and we're not in the extreme, I.

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Speaker 1: Think, real quick long.

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Speaker 2: I think another thing is that y'all show conservatives who

585
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Speaker 2: aren't necessarily maga like the se Cups of the world

586
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Speaker 2: that Adam Kinsinger there is a range.

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Speaker 3: Week I believed, well, no, no, not Yeah, he's on MSNEMAC.

588
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 3: But there's there is a range to your point, and

589
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 3: it's not just you know, there are mega conservatives. There

590
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 3: are people like se and Melissa Fara who are sort

591
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 3: of somewhat anti Trump Republicans. We have libertarian people, we

592
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Speaker 3: have progressives, we have just establishment Democrats. There is a

593
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 3: range of political views and we tried to have them

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Speaker 3: represented in one way, shape or form. We have people

595
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Speaker 3: who I cannot put them in a box. I don't like,

596
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: I don't know how to describe their political views. We

597
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: bring those people on, but we also bring on people

598
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: who are just not you know. We have Roywood Junior

599
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: on all the time. We have Wendell Pierce comes on,

600
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Speaker 3: like we bring on people who are peers Yes, just

601
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: people who are just insightful and smart, and you know,

602
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 3: they're just interesting and they bring depth to the conversation

603
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: and they put things on the table that regular that

604
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: like the classic New York and DC types don't put

605
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Speaker 3: on the table. And so I think that we are

606
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 3: so much more multi dimensional than left and right, than

607
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 3: Democrat and Republican, and that should be better reflected. And

608
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Speaker 3: who talks on television?

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Speaker 4: H you brought up a this was like a I

610
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Speaker 4: think it was like a few weeks ago you were

611
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Speaker 4: talking about cancel culture, and I saw people reacting to

612
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Speaker 4: this too. You said that liberals need to take more

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Speaker 4: honest for where cancel culture went wrong, and this was

614
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Speaker 4: after Kimmel was pulled from air. Yeah, there's been a

615
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Speaker 4: lot of conversation about if cancel culture is even a

616
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Speaker 4: real thing at this point. Yeah, but where do you

617
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Speaker 4: think the liberals went wrong with cancel culture? I think

618
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Speaker 4: that there were some specific moments, you know, not just

619
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Speaker 4: around race, by the way, but even around you know,

620
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Speaker 4: around COVID, around all other things where whatever, Yeah, whatever

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Speaker 4: you want to call it. I I'm not endorsing any

622
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Speaker 4: viewpoints that are right or wrong, but I think it's

623
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Speaker 4: asking the question should people be forced out of their

624
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Speaker 4: jobs or you know, should the should the weight of

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Speaker 4: sort of public opinion force people out of their livelihoods

626
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Speaker 4: because of things that they say, maybe because of mistakes

627
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Speaker 4: that they make.

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Speaker 3: I think it is just a fair conversation to have, because,

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Speaker 3: as we saw when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, you had

630
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Speaker 3: people making comments on Facebook about how they didn't like

631
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 3: what he said and then losing their jobs over it.

632
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Speaker 3: The government pulled people's visas and revoked their citizenship over

633
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: comments like that, and I just think globally, look, I

634
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Speaker 3: think one of the criticisms of me making that point

635
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 3: was that even long before this, there was cancel culture

636
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 3: in the eighties and the nineties, and I think that's

637
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 3: one hundred percent true. But shouldn't we evolve to a

638
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 3: point where we don't do this kind of thing anymore,

639
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 3: where we think really hard about what is the bar

640
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Speaker 3: for us to say you should be run out of

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Speaker 3: society for something that you said, for an opinion that

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Speaker 3: you have. And I think that's a fair question to ask. Look,

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Speaker 3: I don't think we should be operating based on what

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00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: was done to us in the past, because I think

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00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: if we do that. We're just it's like a ball

646
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: rolling down a hill. We're only going to dig ourselves

647
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 3: deeper and deeper into a hole that we cannot get

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Speaker 3: out of. And I think every single one of you

649
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 3: would want to be able to say I disagree with X,

650
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: Y and Z person and not lose your job over it. Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: So that's the only point I was making that the

652
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 3: principle here is not that we want to be able

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Speaker 3: to do what they did to us. The principle is

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Speaker 3: that people ought to be allowed to say things that

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Speaker 3: other people disagree with without risking losing their livelihood and

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Speaker 3: their jobs over an opinion or even a mistake. That

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Speaker 3: sometimes people make mistakes, they say things that they regret,

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Speaker 3: and people should be allowed to make mistakes and atone

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Speaker 3: for them without their lives being completely ruined forever. I

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Speaker 3: think we would want that for us, and I think

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Speaker 3: we would want that for people we disagree with.

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Speaker 5: My last question is, going back to your book, is

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Speaker 5: there a politician that you see today right that you

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Speaker 5: would say as a reflection of Jesse Jackson's legacy.

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Speaker 3: You know, what I would say is that there are

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Speaker 3: there are several politicians that are influenced by Jesse Jackson,

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Speaker 3: but none of them have so far proven that they

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Speaker 3: can actually do what he thought out to do and

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Speaker 3: be successful at it. So I would say that, you know,

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Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders is a Jacksonian politician in the way that

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Speaker 3: he talks about economic issues. AOC is like the next

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Speaker 3: level of that she brings in the sort of social

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Speaker 3: justice piece that I think is lower on the list

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Speaker 3: of priorities for someone like Bernie Sanders. And I think

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Speaker 3: so I think that there are there's sort of like

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Speaker 3: this new generation of populist politician who are talking about

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Speaker 3: issues in the way that he did, basically arguing to

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Speaker 3: voters that the system isn't set up for you, that

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Speaker 3: it's not you know, it's sort of like this idea

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Speaker 3: that as working people, the system is set up for

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Speaker 3: the rich and the powerful and the corporations. That's the

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Speaker 3: type of message of Jesse Jackson hatt and you hear

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Speaker 3: that in a lot of other politicians. But to me,

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Speaker 3: the thing that's been missing from so many of them

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Speaker 3: is being able to bring together the diverse coalition. Because

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Speaker 3: if you're a Democrat and you're trying to run for

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Speaker 3: a national office and you can't rally black people and

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Speaker 3: Hispanic people and Asian Americans and like the whole coalition

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Speaker 3: you're going to fail. You're going to fail. And that's

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Speaker 3: where Bernie Sanders went wrong, is that he never really

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Speaker 3: was able to get people of color on board. He

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Speaker 3: had the economic piece, but he didn't have the other piece.

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Speaker 3: And so I think the book kind of has a

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Speaker 3: question mark at the end of it because it's a

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Speaker 3: real question are there any politicians who can do both

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Speaker 3: of those things at the same time, Because that's what's

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Speaker 3: required in order to build a true coalition in the

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Speaker 3: Democrat In today's Democratic Party, you can't have one without

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Speaker 3: the other. You can't have the economic piece without the other,

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Speaker 3: and so it's I think it's an open question who's

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Speaker 3: going to be able to do that.

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Speaker 5: Are you doing an audio version?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I did it. I did it, and it'll be

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Speaker 3: available for people like me who don't have time to

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Speaker 3: carry around a book.

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Speaker 5: Just love to hear you speak because your voice has

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Speaker 5: a calmness to it that would be great for me

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Speaker 5: to learn all of this stuff, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 5: like a lot of stuff that I don't know, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: your voice is really calling.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you did get what school did you

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Speaker 1: go to and everything? And did you always want to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 3: I went to Harvard or whatever I went. But look,

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Speaker 3: I I grew up in Booie, Maryland. Okay, I'm a

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Speaker 3: PG girl, and I went to Bowie High School. I

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Speaker 3: just I was a real nerd. I worked really hard

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Speaker 3: and I got into Harvard and that really changed my life.

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Speaker 3: But the reason I ended up as a journalists is because,

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Speaker 3: first of all, I always loved politics, but I didn't

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Speaker 3: know I didn't want to be in politics. I don't

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Speaker 3: like to be honest, I don't like politicians, but I

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Speaker 3: love current events. I love history, I love government. And

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Speaker 3: when I was in college, I went on a civil

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Speaker 3: rights and service tour to We started in Memphis at

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Speaker 3: the Lorraine Motel. We went to Mississippi, and we traveled

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Speaker 3: around to all these different sites and I blogged about it,

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Speaker 3: and it was like a bug like I was so

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Speaker 3: convinced by the power of the people who were journalists

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Speaker 3: at that time and took the things that were happening

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Speaker 3: in these tiny towns and brought it to the entire

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Speaker 3: country and really helped change the trajectory of civil rights

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Speaker 3: in the country, and I really identified with that, and

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Speaker 3: I identified with the power of being there to tell history,

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Speaker 3: and that changed everything for me. And at that point

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Speaker 3: I decided that I wanted to be in journalism, and

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Speaker 3: I decided to pursue it. And I got kind of

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Speaker 3: lucky that my first job was at kind of a

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Speaker 3: startup Politico, which now is not a startup anymore, but

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Speaker 3: at the time it was, and I was their very

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Speaker 3: first class of interns, and they just kind of let

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Speaker 3: me do whatever and gave me an extraordinary amount of opportunity.

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Speaker 3: They hired me after college. I was covering the Obama

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Speaker 3: White House. I have a late birthday, so I was

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Speaker 3: twenty one when I was out there, literally at the

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Speaker 3: White House in the briefing room, and so they gave

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Speaker 3: me an incredible opportunity to dive right into national politics.

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Speaker 3: And I've been doing it ever since. And the medium

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Speaker 3: has changed. I've gone from print to television, but you know,

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Speaker 3: I've covered two presidents, I've covered several presidential campaigns. I've

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Speaker 3: done a lot in politics, and I think it's all

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Speaker 3: culminated to this moment where I have an opportunity to

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Speaker 3: help people, not just tell people what is happening, but

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Speaker 3: help them understand it, because I think that people are

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Speaker 3: over they're oversaturated with just all the stuff that's happening,

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Speaker 3: and they need a lot of help just understanding what

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Speaker 3: really matters, what should break through to them. And that's

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Speaker 3: what I get to do in my job right now.

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Speaker 2: I've heard people say things like, you know, you're the

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Speaker 2: future of CNN, but you know, how do you handle

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Speaker 2: being labeled at when legacy media itself is kind of

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Speaker 2: like fighting to stay relevant.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we are fighting for our lives out there. I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: I think in the media, everybody is fighting for attention.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what medium you're in, and so we're

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Speaker 3: in that. We're in that fight alongside everybody else. But

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Speaker 3: television isn't really going anywhere. It's just that we have

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Speaker 3: to evolve with people. We have to meet them where

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Speaker 3: they are and both the method that we talk to people,

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Speaker 3: but also the content. And I'm really grateful that we

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Speaker 3: about a year ago, a little over a year ago

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Speaker 3: is when we started to do my show this way,

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Speaker 3: and I'm really kind of grateful that we did because

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Speaker 3: it really speaks to what people are looking for, which

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Speaker 3: I know you talk about a lot Charlemagne, which is

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Speaker 3: they're looking for more authenticity and media, and I think

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Speaker 3: legacy linear media has been very slow to that because

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Speaker 3: they don't want to sacrifice being authoritative for being relatable.

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Speaker 3: But I think that there's a way to do both,

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Speaker 3: and there's a way to kind of give people information

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Speaker 3: while also speaking to them in a way that they

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Speaker 3: understand and leveling with them and identifying with them, or

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Speaker 3: putting people on TV who they identify with. And so

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Speaker 3: the innovation is happening, and CNN is going to be

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Speaker 3: streaming soon, so people who don't even have cable are

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Speaker 3: going to be able to literally just open up their

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Speaker 3: app and pay a small monthly fee and you can

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Speaker 3: watch it. And that's the future. And we're on Instagram

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Speaker 3: and you know, these our clips go crazy viral because

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Speaker 3: that's how people are consuming information. I mean, I wish

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Speaker 3: they watched the whole show, but I also appreciate that

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Speaker 3: people who don't even watch TV are seeing what happens

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Speaker 3: on the show because cable TV still remains incredibly relevant.

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Speaker 3: That to me tells me what the relevance is. People

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Speaker 3: may not be turning on their TV every night at

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Speaker 3: the same time, but the clips are getting millions of

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Speaker 3: use because they still think it's important when they see

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Speaker 3: something with a CNN logo on it, that there's some

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Speaker 3: authoritativeness there. So we still have that responsibility, but where

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Speaker 3: we have to evolve, just like everybody else does.

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Speaker 4: What media changing, and it's now because media is changing

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Speaker 4: politicians and politics is changing as well to in the

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Speaker 4: way that people speak to people. Kamala Hair said to

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Speaker 4: BBC that she possibly may run again because I know

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Speaker 4: you were also very honest about what she did and

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Speaker 4: do right and what you thought she did do right

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Speaker 4: when she ran. If she was to run again, like,

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Speaker 4: where does she meet in the middle with that? Because

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Speaker 4: I think that's one of the things that fell off

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Speaker 4: with her last campaign, is that that was happening with media,

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Speaker 4: but she didn't meet us where some people were at

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Speaker 4: and speak straight to certain people. So what does she

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Speaker 4: do this summer run and shoes she even run again?

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Speaker 3: You know, I've been talking to a lot of people

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Speaker 3: about that because, as you know, this book was very controversial,

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Speaker 3: and it was even more controversial than you think in private.

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Speaker 3: In private, I think there's a lot of controversy around

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Speaker 3: it because I think that there are a lot of

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Speaker 3: bridges that are burned here, whether she wanted to or not,

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Speaker 3: And I think it will be very difficult for her

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Speaker 3: to mend those fences that she'll need in order to

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Speaker 3: run if she just decided to run again. I think

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Speaker 3: this book read kind of like somebody who was kind

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Speaker 3: of done with it. So I will be interested to

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Speaker 3: see if she decides to do it. But one thing

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Speaker 3: I'll say, I mean, I think that she still has

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Speaker 3: to figure out how to tap into authenticity in how

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Speaker 3: she presents herself to the public, because this world is

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Speaker 3: not getting more kind to politicians who cannot level with

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Speaker 3: voters and cannot show up any and everywhere. And you

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Speaker 3: know my Fred Astead Herndon, who just left The New

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Speaker 3: York Times but he's going to be at Vox. He

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Speaker 3: just wrote a piece about zoron Mum Donnie, and he

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Speaker 3: had this line that I think a lot of people quoted.

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Speaker 3: That was about how politicians have to be able to

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Speaker 3: talk in thirty second bites, in three minute clips, and

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Speaker 3: in three hour interviews, and that's the future. You have

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Speaker 3: to be able to do it all. You have to

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Speaker 3: be able to show up in any medium and people

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Speaker 3: get in a second who you are. And what you're about.

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Speaker 3: And I think that she still has work to do

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Speaker 3: in that respect, and maybe this book is the first

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Speaker 3: kind of foray into that, because I read her last

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Speaker 3: book and the tone was completely different. This is a

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Speaker 3: different kind of book, and it was an opening foray

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Speaker 3: into her showing people more of herself. But she's going

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Speaker 3: to have to catch up to the speed and the

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Speaker 3: kind of realness of media and politics. That will be

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Speaker 3: the bar in twenty twenty eight. Like in twenty twenty eight,

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Speaker 3: the bar is going to be are you a politician

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Speaker 3: that can show up any and everywhere and authentically reach people?

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Speaker 3: And I think she is still straddling the old world

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Speaker 3: and the new world, and she's gonna have to figure

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Speaker 3: out which one she wants to be in.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that.

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Speaker 2: I think it's actually more important just to show up

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Speaker 2: any and everywhere as your true, authentic self. I don't

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Speaker 2: think you should worry about whether or not this is

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Speaker 2: gonna be a thirty second sound bite or a three

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Speaker 2: minute clip or three. I'll just go have the conversation

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Speaker 2: because the media is gonna do that for you. The

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Speaker 2: meeting is gonna chop it up for you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but yes, but I also think, Look, I mean

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Speaker 3: I am I'm a journalist, so I deal with her

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Speaker 3: campaign and all of that. And I'm telling you the

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Speaker 3: answer is not yes to everything in terms of where

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Speaker 3: she's willing to show up. And some of that is

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Speaker 3: maybe staff and how they try to kind of protect

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Speaker 3: their principle. But in the future, you have to be

870
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Speaker 3: willing to talk to any and everyone. You have to

871
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 3: be willing to take risks. You have to be willing

872
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 3: to sit in front of people who might very well

873
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 3: be hostile to you and win them over. And I

874
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 3: think that and you might, yeah, well, what exactly, And

875
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you it's that was not how they

876
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 3: ran that last campaign period. It wasn't and they're going

877
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 3: to have to She's going to have to be willing

878
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: to do that, which is gonna it's it's going to

879
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 3: require taking a lot of risk. But that is the

880
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 3: future of politicians. The ones who will thrive in tomorrow's

881
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 3: media environment. They they you got to be willing to

882
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 3: go everywhere on a dime, prepared or not briefed or not.

883
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 3: That is how it works, and that's not how they

884
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 3: ran in twenty twenty four. And if she's going to

885
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 3: run again, it's going to have to be a complete overhaul.

886
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 3: And she's strategy like.

887
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 2: Don't wait, don't and just for all of them, don't

888
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 2: wait until it's actual twenty seven, not do it now,

889
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 2: Like start going to these places now. And I think

890
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: that a lot of them should be launching their own platforms.

891
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 2: They should have their own podcast.

892
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom, Yeah, I mean, and look, I mean, you

893
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 3: say what you want about Gavin Newsom, this is what

894
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. He had this podcast and he was

895
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 3: bringing on all these conservatives on and he got a

896
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 3: lot of criticism for it. But I think what he

897
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 3: was trying to show was a willingness to talk to

898
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:25,959
Speaker 3: anybody and to debate anybody. And again, I think there's

899
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 3: a lot of that that's going to be required in

900
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 3: the future. You've got to prove to people that you

901
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: can win the argument. And if you can't do that,

902
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter how polished you are, how experienced or

903
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 3: knowledgeable you are. I think that's the baseline bar that

904
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 3: you're going to have to cross for a lot of

905
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: voters in this future media ecosystem.

906
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: No, I agree.

907
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: You know. The interesting thing that the VP is doing.

908
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: I think the book tour. I think this book is

909
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 2: going to help her a lot. Yea, because it's the

910
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: first step to being completely honest and then going on

911
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: to book tour, but also going into these cities and

912
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 2: talking to you know, locals when you're in these cities.

913
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 2: I think that's gonna go a long way.

914
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's always important to do that.

915
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 2: But none of these candidates are going to really stand

916
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: a chance in hell if none of them were really

917
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 2: willing to challenge capitalism.

918
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,959
Speaker 3: Well, well, you know, I mean there's some truth there, Okay.

919
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 3: The part of that that I would say is true

920
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 3: is that when you look at what Trump is doing

921
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 3: as president, in a way he's challenging capitalism. He's putting

922
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 3: tariffs on countries indiscriminately just because he wants to, making

923
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 3: the case that he's doing it for Americans. He is

924
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 3: taking government stakes in private companies. That's a Bernie Sanders idea.

925
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 3: By the way, he is creating a government website where

926
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: people can shop around for prescription drugs, another Bernie Sanders idea.

927
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 3: So his willingness to just take some of these ideas

928
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 3: the Democrats have been talking about and just do them,

929
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 3: no matter how controversial they are, has been one of

930
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 3: the things that whether you like him or not, what

931
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 3: people will say about Trump is that he does what

932
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 3: he says. And I think the Democrats one of the

933
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 3: big problems that they have is that voters don't think

934
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 3: they're going to do what they say. They say all

935
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 3: the right things, but they don't think they're going to

936
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 3: do what they say. And so whether it's challenging you

937
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 3: can call it challenging capitalism or challenging whatever, voters want

938
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 3: to know that you're willing to buck the system for them,

939
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 3: and I think Trump does that right now in a

940
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 3: way that really like shakes people up and makes people

941
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 3: really mad. But that is also why a lot of voters,

942
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 3: whether they like him or not, they will describe him

943
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 3: as effective.

944
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: I wonder how it all because it's like he's bucking

945
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 2: the system, but it has only been fit in the

946
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: rich right now, and it's not even benefiting his voters.

947
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: I wont to why.

948
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 3: And even you know, look the tariff thing. He he's

949
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 3: making the case to Americans that this is a benefit

950
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 3: to them, but the economics don't work, No, they don't

951
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 3: make sense. Farmers would beg to differ right at this moment.

952
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 3: They are struggling mightily under these tariffs. Small businesses are

953
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 3: struggling mightily under these terraffs. So there is obviously a

954
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 3: really big difference between what Trump is doing and what

955
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 3: he's saying and what is actually happening. But I do

956
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 3: think that it's breaking through and I and my only

957
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 3: point about that was just there's a Democrats have become

958
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 3: way more establishment in the last fifteen years because Trump

959
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 3: is so anti establishment. They've defined themselves in opposition to Trump,

960
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 3: and so they've become sort of an avatar of the system.

961
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 3: And I don't think they realize the degree to which

962
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 3: voters do not like the system at all. And the

963
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 3: next Democratic nominee is going to have to be able

964
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 3: to tap into that one way or another, to say

965
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 3: to people, I get it, you don't actually like the

966
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 3: way things are work working, Stop defending this status quo

967
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 3: and figure out what an alternative is that isn't just

968
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 3: opposition to Trump. And do I see anybody actually doing

969
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 3: that right now? Not really, But look, time will tell,

970
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 3: Like we've got a long way ahead, and any if

971
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 3: history tells us anything, sometimes the person who ends up

972
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 3: rising to the top is not the person that any

973
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 3: of us are thinking about or talking about it. It's

974
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 3: somebody who's going to come seemingly out of nowhere, but

975
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: not going to come from the center of the political

976
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 3: universe right now.

977
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 4: So we'll see if to your point of everything you

978
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 4: just said, right, if Jesse accent right was able to

979
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 4: actually become president president, get in office just do things

980
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 4: for people that he cared about, how would Barack Obama's

981
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 4: presidency have been different. Kamala Harris just on this run

982
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 4: feeling like she has to dodge certain things and can't

983
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 4: speak straight to black people. How would all of that

984
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 4: be different if he had been able to get in

985
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 4: office and do what he was doing before he was

986
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 4: voted president or not voted.

987
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 3: But that's really interesting. It's such an interesting question. I mean,

988
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 3: I think one of the reasons that Vice President Harris

989
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 3: and Barack Obama have had to present a certain way

990
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:40,479
Speaker 3: to the American public is the perception that a broad

991
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 3: swath of the electorate, especially white voters, won't take a

992
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 3: black candidate seriously unless they are very buttoned up, have

993
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 3: the resume all lined up, the whole thing. And that's accurate,

994
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 3: right that, Like we all understand that you kind of

995
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 3: have to clear a higher bar in order to even

996
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 3: be let in the door. And I do wonder if

997
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 3: the country had successfully elected a black president who was

998
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 3: running on a progressive platform thirty years ago, whether they

999
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 3: would have that same burden. And I don't know, maybe

1000
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 3: they would not have. You know, one of the things

1001
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 3: about Jesse Jackson is that his fluency in a wide

1002
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 3: range of issues. As somebody who never was elected to

1003
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 3: political office, who came out of the segregated South, who

1004
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 3: came out of a civil rights tradition, he was right

1005
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 3: up there with all the other candidates on the debate

1006
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 3: stage talking about foreign policy, talking about economic policy, giving speeches.

1007
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 3: I mean I would talk to people who would say

1008
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,439
Speaker 3: that they would give him, you know, like a thirty

1009
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 3: minute briefing, and he would go in there and he

1010
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 3: would weave a whole speech around an issue. He could

1011
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 3: take information in and very quickly turn it around into

1012
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 3: something that was compelling to an audience. And so he

1013
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 3: had a kind of intellect that was not very respected

1014
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 3: at the time. And I do think that, you know,

1015
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 3: if the country had elected a black president, I think

1016
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 3: candidates today who are running who are like Kamala Harris

1017
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 3: or Barack Obama would not have to would not have

1018
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 3: to do so much to show white Americans in particular

1019
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 3: that they're qualified and that they have the basic, you know,

1020
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 3: qualifications to fit the job. I think that added burden

1021
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 3: is one of the reasons that it's hard then to

1022
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 3: turn around and say to those same candidates, well, you've

1023
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 3: got to be authentic, because that same authenticity is what

1024
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 3: they get knocked for early on in their career. So

1025
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 3: it is I'm not say suggesting that it's easy. I

1026
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 3: think it is difficult. You have to be able to

1027
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 3: do both things. And actually I would say Obama actually

1028
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 3: did both things pretty well. He was incredibly credentialed, but

1029
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 3: he was incredibly authentic in the communities where he needed

1030
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 3: to be authentic in And I do think that it

1031
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 3: is possible to do it, but it is absolutely a

1032
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 3: higher bar, and it's a higher bar still to this day,

1033
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 3: because we've only done it once elected a black person

1034
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 3: to the highest office in the land, and so there's

1035
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 3: still a lot that has to be dealt with in

1036
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,439
Speaker 3: terms of people's preconceived notions of what people of color

1037
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 3: can do at high levels of political office.

1038
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: My last question.

1039
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 2: When Cameron took a sip of pink Horsepower on your show,

1040
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 2: like you just took a sip with that.

1041
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 3: Is there something known in the industry about how did

1042
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 3: he treated his artists? Sorry, I'm going to get some

1043
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 3: cheeks after this horse Powers joint.

1044
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 2: And you were going to And then when Cam said

1045
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 2: he was going to get some cheeks after your interview,

1046
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 2: did you understand what was happening in that moment?

1047
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 3: I knew that we needed to end the interview. Obviously,

1048
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 3: I knew we needed to end the interview. We were

1049
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 3: up against the end of the show, and we didn't.

1050
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 3: We had to get to a certain time, so you know,

1051
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 3: I had to land that plane and I did. And look,

1052
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 3: I mean it was ridiculous, but as we know, that

1053
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 3: was the point.

1054
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: So the person who had to transcribe the show afterwards

1055
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: ask you what that meant?

1056
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 3: What do you need to get some Well we all

1057
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 3: were just like, what just happened? Yeah, you know, I mean, whatever,

1058
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 3: it's I'm not going to give this much more oxygen

1059
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 3: because I know that's part of the point. I know

1060
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 3: he was here a little while ago talking about it.

1061
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, because what was your favorite viral

1062
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 2: news network moment? Was it the sixty minutes joint. Was

1063
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 2: it the bill O'Reilly or the seeingn drinking pink?

1064
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: Seeing that.

1065
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 3: By far, I'm sure he did before. It wasn't like

1066
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 3: it wasn't personal anything with you.

1067
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 4: He just felt like the network only hits him up

1068
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 4: for things that aren't about what he does outside of.

1069
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 3: All I will say is that we were told by

1070
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 3: his team that he wanted to talk about this, not

1071
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 3: the other way around. So that's we Obviously, we don't

1072
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 3: book people about things they don't want to talk about,

1073
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 3: So we would never bring someone on the show and

1074
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 3: force them to talk about something that they didn't agree

1075
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 3: to talk about.

1076
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: So I don't know.

1077
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 3: I mean, everybody we have free will. We can do

1078
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 3: what we want. But like I said, I knew immediately.

1079
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 3: Actually we we knew pretty early on in the interview

1080
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 3: that we needed to get out as as.

1081
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 2: You know.

1082
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 3: It was, I mean, it was from the from the

1083
01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 3: get go. Yeah, I'm not new to this, Like I know,

1084
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,959
Speaker 3: from the beginning, when somebody is not interested in being

1085
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 3: and being interviewed, and so we knew we needed to

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Speaker 3: get out. But it was just a timing thing, you know,

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Speaker 3: when you're at the end of the show. And he

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01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 3: was actually supposed to be on the show earlier but

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01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 3: was late, and so we we we're just figuring out

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Speaker 3: how quickly we could hand off to Laura Coates at

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Speaker 3: eleven o'clock.

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Speaker 2: That put you in a good class. So Cam's got

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Speaker 2: some really good interviews with news and.

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Speaker 1: He got some great moments.

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Speaker 3: Will get said on the playlist somewhere. Absolutely absolutely not,

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Speaker 3: we are not. That is not a class.

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Speaker 1: And I think you said I want to be, he

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Speaker 1: said was his favorite.

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Speaker 2: I asked him which one was the and is a

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Speaker 2: Cooper sixty minutes interview the bill O'Reilly?

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Speaker 1: When he was like you mad you met film? He

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Speaker 1: said yes, because you horse power.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy for I'm happy for him.

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Speaker 4: But you know, stuff like that personally when it happens. No,

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Speaker 4: absolutely not not personally, but just like why you why

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Speaker 4: my show?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: I you know what, let me just I'll just say

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Speaker 3: this because I don't I've never talked I've actually never

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Speaker 3: talked about this before. But when that happened, our booker

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Speaker 3: who booked that interview was a young woman and she

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Speaker 3: was very upset about it. And I said to her afterwards,

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Speaker 3: and I said to my entire team, I was like,

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Speaker 3: this is not going to be a reason that we

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Speaker 3: play it safe. We are not going to take this

1116
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Speaker 3: as a moment to say, oh, this happened to us,

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Speaker 3: we can't have people like that on our air. Again.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe in that. I think that we are.

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Speaker 3: We are out here trying to you hear from people

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Speaker 3: who are interesting and different, and maybe sometimes it goes left,

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Speaker 3: but I'm not gonna this is We're not gonna come

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Speaker 3: down on you for booking this interview because we want

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Speaker 3: to bring interesting people onto the show and it was

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Speaker 3: important to me to convey to them that we're not

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Speaker 3: gonna go into a little ball and be like, oh

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Speaker 3: my god, this went viral and this was embarrassing. No,

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Speaker 3: this too shall pass. Like he had his moment, it

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Speaker 3: was fine. I don't really care.

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 3: I wish he didn't do that on the air yet.

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Speaker 3: But but I'm not using it as an excuse to

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Speaker 3: say that we're going to play it safe on television,

1133
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Speaker 3: because that's not what we're doing here.

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Speaker 2: So book a fantastic job, fantastic booking what's her name, fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Book every night she was Unfortunately she moved to a

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01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 3: different city, so she's no longer with us, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: but we listen. We I it wasn't just her. I

1138
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 3: told her boss too, and I was like, we are not.

1139
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Speaker 3: We are not going to treat this like some kind

1140
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 3: of major mistake, because it was not. It is television,

1141
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 3: and sometimes in television you have guests and you don't

1142
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 3: know what they're going to say, and the whole point

1143
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 3: of TV is not to be predictable and boring. So

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Speaker 3: let's not do that.

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Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoy your bookings. I thoroughly enjoy your show.

1146
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 2: Make sure y'all watch Abby Phillip on CNN News Night

1147
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,919
Speaker 2: every night at ten and then this Table for five

1148
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 2: comes on at ten.

1149
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 3: Am on Saturday Saurdays. And don't forget to buy.

1150
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 2: The book Yes I dreamed of is out right now

1151
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 2: Jesse Jackson in the Fight for Black Political Power, Abby Philip,

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Speaker 2: keep doing a great service.

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01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: Though.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys having me come on the show sometime.

1155
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Speaker 3: All of you really, yeah, I know you have I

1156
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 3: know you have some political viewpoint. You know what I'm

1157
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 3: saying stuff, Even Take for five, I know it's I

1158
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 3: know it's late at night, so Table for five you

1159
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 3: can come on. It's a different time, so it's more

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Speaker 3: earlier for your schedule.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you'p going there, argue for us, we'll be supporting.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy watching. It's Abby, Philip. It's the breakfast Club.

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Speaker 3: Hold on every day I wake up the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 1: You'll finish for y'all done,