Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey
Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
Speaker 1: scripted as well. Hey, rain Drops on today's episode Reality
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Speaker 1: Alexis looks so gorgeous today.
Speaker 2: If you're not.
Speaker 1: Watching on YouTube, let me paint the picture. She has
Speaker 1: long blonde tresses. She has on a icy blue jewelry.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's an a a white tank top and
Speaker 1: the face is always stunny.
Speaker 2: But you look good.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well you'll know why next week.
Speaker 2: Ah. The thing is this, Alexis.
Speaker 1: You keep teasing it week about week, two weeks ago,
Speaker 1: it was next week, last week, it was this week,
Speaker 1: So this week is next week.
Speaker 3: I'm keeping you all on your toes. Yes, it'll be
Speaker 3: next week.
Speaker 2: Are you are you sure, Well, we'll see. I'll text
Speaker 2: Spencer Binster. Spencer is Alexis handler.
Speaker 3: Everything goes through heav.
Speaker 4: I mean, Johnny would get jealous, except he's gay, so
Speaker 4: it's okay. I always tell him I'm like, Spencer, you're
Speaker 4: my second husband. And then john just like is in
Speaker 4: the background, like rolling his eyes because I've got to
Speaker 4: call Spencer as soon as I find out anything.
Speaker 2: You're like, Spencer, is this really happening? What's going on here?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: We're here to recap episode three, season twenty of the
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Orange County. I have a lot of thoughts,
Speaker 1: but I do. Okay, it may not listen. You and
Speaker 1: I are so good at this because we don't give
Speaker 1: a shit if our thoughts are popular unpopular. We it's
Speaker 1: just our thoughts, and oftentimes we agree.
Speaker 3: We do.
Speaker 4: I actually like when we don't agree, though, because you
Speaker 4: give me food for thought about your perspective.
Speaker 3: And it's like, that's why the show is so good.
Speaker 4: It's because somebody watching, you know, in one household, and
Speaker 4: someone watching in another, they have completely two different takes
Speaker 4: on the scene that just happened.
Speaker 3: So it's just it's just cool. And I, you know,
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 4: Hope that everyone realizes that we're literally not bad people.
Speaker 4: We're just giving an opinion, and it's just for one episode.
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean we think at all the time.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's yeah. I like when we agree and
Speaker 3: I like when we don't agree.
Speaker 2: Yes, no, listen, it's poop of thought.
Speaker 1: Is the reason why people love watching us and listening
Speaker 1: to us as well. So let's get into it. One
Speaker 1: of the scenes that I really wanted to talk to
Speaker 1: you about first is the scene between Jen and Ryan.
Speaker 3: Wow, you're skipping like three other scenes. You're going straight
Speaker 3: for that one.
Speaker 1: Let's listen. How about we have you started? Because I
Speaker 1: struggled with this episode. As I'm struggling trying to interesting.
Speaker 4: Tell me why, because I wonder if it's the same
Speaker 4: reason I did.
Speaker 1: Is the reason why I skipped three scenes? Because this
Speaker 1: episode was boring?
Speaker 4: Okay, well, it's funny because I got something with one
Speaker 4: of my best friends and said that right before this
Speaker 4: episode or this but before we started podcasting.
Speaker 1: So look, Alexis, I did not realize you would notice
Speaker 1: that I skipped over a couple of scenes.
Speaker 2: But the one thing I will give a shout out.
Speaker 1: It was nice to see camera and her Sophia right.
Speaker 2: Yes, move out, move in boyfriend. That was nice.
Speaker 3: That's hard, that's the first. That's the empty nester like.
Speaker 4: And I'm starting to feel it because two of mine
Speaker 4: left me at the same time on going to college
Speaker 4: and one just got married and lives on his own now.
Speaker 4: But so I have one left, and when Miles leaves,
Speaker 4: I'm going to be like, oh my, I mean, that's hard.
Speaker 2: But you're right.
Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't boring.
Speaker 4: That scene wasn't boring because I love seeing inside her home,
Speaker 4: any of the any of the housewives wives.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was a scene.
Speaker 4: And then I forget what the other seat there's another scene,
Speaker 4: and then the or then the seat the Ryan engine scene.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it was one with Shannon and something.
Speaker 1: But I don't think we need to worry about that,
Speaker 1: right listen, because the thing is this, I wanted to
Speaker 1: at least start the pod on a good note, okay,
Speaker 1: because it may not end up that way.
Speaker 3: Well, Carlos, you're on a track record for that. Okay.
Speaker 4: Two episodes were bagging on Heather. Last episode, I forget,
Speaker 4: but it's like.
Speaker 1: Okay, last episode, we both agree that Carmelo was a
Speaker 1: great yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well we need to get into the dildo
Speaker 4: of all that this episode.
Speaker 3: But go ahead, let's go on Jin and Ryan.
Speaker 1: As I'm vibrating in my chair as we speak, So Carmela,
Speaker 1: send me one to my po box.
Speaker 5: Okay, so look one of them. I'm just I'm just
Speaker 5: saying I except on Swag.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The thing that I will continue to say it was
Speaker 1: not on my Bengo car Alexis Janssen, that Gin is
Speaker 1: my favorite so far this season, Okay. And the reason
Speaker 1: why I'm saying that she is providing personal story that
Speaker 1: feels genuine, that is real. She's not playing to the camera.
Speaker 1: She's not trying to you make a moment. She's really
Speaker 1: offering her real life. And I will say these past
Speaker 1: three episodes, my eyes are gluten on Jen, and I
Speaker 1: feel like Jen is operating in her most authentic self.
Speaker 2: So when she's talking.
Speaker 1: To Ryan about her son, Grayson, I believe that's his name,
Speaker 1: how she's he got a ticket he was speeding over
Speaker 1: one hundred miles per hour and he's only a teenager,
Speaker 1: and she's sort of.
Speaker 2: Like, I feel like he's acting out.
Speaker 1: And then Ryan said, look, I feel like because his
Speaker 1: dad is not around. That's probably why he feels the
Speaker 1: way he feels. And to see how Jen immediately started
Speaker 1: crying and listen, we could we could honestly continue focusing
Speaker 1: on the rest of her storyline in this episode because
Speaker 1: it was so lair to me, even when she was
Speaker 1: talking to Grayson and how he admitted that the divorce
Speaker 1: took a toll on him because he went from having
Speaker 1: his parents home with him seven days a week to
Speaker 1: not seeing his father frequently.
Speaker 2: And I lost it.
Speaker 1: I lost it, and I wanted to talk to you
Speaker 1: because you obviously experience divorce and I wanted to know,
Speaker 1: based on you watching the scene, could you relate to that.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yeah, I cried.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 4: I did have actual tears when Jen was talking to
Speaker 4: her son, and I do. Let me back up to
Speaker 4: when they first when their first scene. I did like
Speaker 4: how authentic, how authentic she is this season. I do
Speaker 4: like that she's kind of being a bulldog since Tammer's
Speaker 4: pulled back. Obviously, it feels like Jen is now the
Speaker 4: one that's stepping it up to move storyline and such.
Speaker 4: But the one thing that I caught is Ryan called
Speaker 4: out the truth of what he thought, and what he
Speaker 4: saw is the stepdad. And Jen was like, no, it's
Speaker 4: not that's not what it is. He's just a teenager
Speaker 4: going through and that's what moms think. You know, you
Speaker 4: don't know unless you talk to your kid what's really
Speaker 4: bothering them. And so I thought, Wow, Ryan's really involved
Speaker 4: in these children's lives and is very receptive and aware
Speaker 4: of what's going on. And then when Jinn said no,
Speaker 4: but then she hears from Grayson himself, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: I don't see my dad.
Speaker 3: You know, there's two parts to that. It takes two
Speaker 3: to tango.
Speaker 4: So the dad could should be reaching out to his
Speaker 4: son and spending more time with his kids. I would
Speaker 4: think if like I'm like with Ryan, I'm like, if
Speaker 4: I didn't kiss my kids good night, it kills me
Speaker 4: when they leave me for one day, you know, it's like,
Speaker 4: and now they're moving out, so I don't know what
Speaker 4: I've got to find and pick up pickleball or something.
Speaker 4: But anyway, so I feel like for Jin to have
Speaker 4: that scene with Grayson, like, first of all, for him
Speaker 4: to open up like that on camera, a lot of
Speaker 4: kids would have said, no, mom, I don't want to
Speaker 4: talk about it, right, now let's talk about it tonight.
Speaker 4: He was really authentic and raw too. And then it
Speaker 4: makes you wonder for me because I'm from a divorce family,
Speaker 4: my parents and also I'm now divorced with my children.
Speaker 4: It makes me wonder like, how much more did it
Speaker 4: affect my kids than the talks that we've had, you know?
Speaker 4: And it made me feel so guilty, like she felt,
Speaker 4: I had mom guilt out the wazoo. I was like,
Speaker 4: holy hack. Now I want to sit my kids down
Speaker 4: when they all get They're all in different places right now,
Speaker 4: but when we have sit down, I want to be like,
Speaker 4: what did how did it affect you?
Speaker 3: How did it damage you?
Speaker 4: Like because if they were all in therapy and I
Speaker 4: was very present and I got him full time, so
Speaker 4: I was kind of in the same shoes as Jen.
Speaker 3: But man, did you tear up on that show?
Speaker 2: I did? I listen.
Speaker 1: And the reason why I love it so much is because, look,
Speaker 1: I am a single, gay black man and I'm not
Speaker 1: a parent, so I it's not relatable to me in
Speaker 1: terms of my life. However, it goes to show you
Speaker 1: how universally these type of storylines can affect anybody watching
Speaker 1: it because to see Jen talk to her son about it,
Speaker 1: and I would give him so much credit, being a
Speaker 1: seventeen year old kid who admitted to pretty much. He
Speaker 1: didn't use these words. I don't want to. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to use the word. But people are being unkind
Speaker 1: to him, is what he said. I don't want to
Speaker 1: use the B word in all fairness. So he said
Speaker 1: that people were unkind to him, and I thought how
Speaker 1: brave that was, because you may assume that those kids
Speaker 1: would watch this scene and perhaps unfortunately use that to
Speaker 1: weaponize him and to see Jim break down. Because and
Speaker 1: again I'm not a mother or father, so I really
Speaker 1: really couldn't wait to talk to you about it. It
Speaker 1: must be tough for a mother to hear from her
Speaker 1: son that people are unkind to me, when, like she said,
Speaker 1: you're the most kindest human on earth. And you could
Speaker 1: tell by his sweet spirit, his sweet soul rights.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have any cockiness to him.
Speaker 4: He's got no agro, no like you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: teenagers go through their hormones and they're up and down,
Speaker 4: and they have their bad moods and you don't know
Speaker 4: why and all that, but you can see his spirit
Speaker 4: through him, and and you know, for moms, most moms,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say every mom, because sometimes dads get
Speaker 4: the full kids full time and sometimes it's the other
Speaker 4: way the flip side, most moms who have their children
Speaker 4: and are a very a parent that's there for them
Speaker 4: like completely, their their person. Every agony that they feel
Speaker 4: it could be a pimple that's driving them crazy and
Speaker 4: they're embarrassed about pimple. The mom feels that like ten
Speaker 4: times more for that kid. So when your kids are
Speaker 4: hurting about kids that are unkind or a scenario at school,
Speaker 4: or you know, like even a speeding ticket, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: Jen probably was scared, like you could have died.
Speaker 3: That's a very easy way to die.
Speaker 4: And so but then for Gen to be like, but
Speaker 4: it's there's so much more pain going on in my kid.
Speaker 4: I should not have made a big deal about the
Speaker 4: speeding ticket. That's a true mom feeling too, and it's
Speaker 4: you know it really you kind of get the feeling though, Carlos, because.
Speaker 3: You have dogs.
Speaker 4: So if your dog gets injured, like last week your
Speaker 4: dog had an injury, a foot problem, it makes you
Speaker 4: very we were laid on our head because you were
Speaker 4: worried about your dog that's a kid, do you so
Speaker 4: you kind of get the feeling. It's it's exemplify. I
Speaker 4: had more once you have somebody that comes out of
Speaker 4: your body. But yeah, it's I just felt so for
Speaker 4: that scene that was just kudos to both of them
Speaker 4: are doing that. I hope he doesn't regret doing that
Speaker 4: at seventeen and that authentic on camera because you don't
Speaker 4: know how his peers are going to.
Speaker 3: React to that.
Speaker 4: Good good job, and good job Jen for you know,
Speaker 4: she started crying and then he had to parent her
Speaker 4: a little bit, which makes him a little bit parentified,
Speaker 4: which kids do feel because I felt that with my parents.
Speaker 4: So there's a whole bunch of stuff that went into that.
Speaker 4: And the whole time I was just I was literally
Speaker 4: tearing up the whole time.
Speaker 2: Oh it was. It pulled my hard strings, it really did.
Speaker 1: So shout out to Jen Grayson and Ryan, like you said,
Speaker 1: listen and the beautiful thing about.
Speaker 4: Father, good stepfather. I'm telling you, I don't care what
Speaker 4: anyone wants to say about him.
Speaker 2: That guy.
Speaker 4: I mean, hello, And they named their cat Johnny Ja,
Speaker 4: so I mean, I mean.
Speaker 3: That must be a really cool cat.
Speaker 4: Okay, I mean, if you name your dog Bieber or
Speaker 4: your cat j Lo.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 4: I mean, Johnny Jay's cool as fuck, and so that
Speaker 4: cap must be too, I get it. But anyway, whatever
Speaker 4: anyone wants to say around Ryan, because he does get
Speaker 4: some slacks sometimes, that man has shown up for those
Speaker 4: kids and you cannot take that away from him and
Speaker 4: the way that they all act together. I mean, I
Speaker 4: just I love all of that.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, I'm here with you when it comes
Speaker 1: to that, and shout out to Ryan, I echo your
Speaker 1: same sentiment. He got a lot of negative flack the
Speaker 1: first season that he was a part of the show,
Speaker 1: and look, I was embarrassed.
Speaker 2: I don't know much.
Speaker 1: But what I will say to you as a parental
Speaker 1: figure and their lives, allowing his fiance and her children
Speaker 1: to move in with him and for him to see
Speaker 1: exactly what the problem was, it goes to show you
Speaker 1: he has a relationship with those kids and he sees
Speaker 1: it and he's a great father figure. So again, Jen
Speaker 1: to me, whatever you're doing, Jen, keep doing it. I
Speaker 1: have nothing bad to say about you.
Speaker 2: Now. Heather de bro does.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean.
Speaker 4: Rightly, so they both I mean, they both have a
Speaker 4: reason to have a little bit of a beef with
Speaker 4: each other.
Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show here we are with that.
Speaker 1: So Heathern meets with Emily, Right, So Heathern meets with Emily,
Speaker 1: and Heather feels like she may want to take a
Speaker 1: step back from Jin due to Jin telling Tamra the
Speaker 1: things that Heather was saying behind Tamra's back.
Speaker 2: Look, I think the thing with.
Speaker 1: Heather is she does like being called out, especially in
Speaker 1: front of people that she.
Speaker 2: Talks about behind their backs. And look, no one else does.
Speaker 1: Right, So in aw fairness, I wouldn't either, But that's
Speaker 1: why I like to say it to your face and
Speaker 1: not behind your back. Here's me having a podcast where
Speaker 1: I get to say it to the world, so there's
Speaker 1: no miss understanding there. But do you think it's warranted,
Speaker 1: alexis for Havether to want to take a step back
Speaker 1: from Jen do to Jen only saying to Tamra, Hey,
Speaker 1: this is what Heather say and I want to get
Speaker 1: down to the bottom of it together.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, okay, if I'm being real, because that's
Speaker 4: what we do on this podcast, that's what I do.
Speaker 3: In real life.
Speaker 4: Anyways, but if I were in Heather's shoes, I would
Speaker 4: probably have taken a little bit further with Jen and said,
Speaker 4: why did you feel like you could just do that
Speaker 4: or what provoked you to do that?
Speaker 3: Because we all kind of sit behind each other's backs.
Speaker 3: I mean they all do. I mean, if anyone says they.
Speaker 4: Don't complain or whine about something that happened on one
Speaker 4: of the scenes they filmed, or one of this or
Speaker 4: the one of that, then they're all lying because they
Speaker 4: all do it.
Speaker 3: However, you know, there's nothing wrong with Jen calling.
Speaker 4: It out because I would kind of be in that
Speaker 4: shoes also, I would be like, I'm sick of hearing
Speaker 4: about it and she's not addressing it directly with Tamra.
Speaker 3: Why don't you go to Tamra, go to who you're
Speaker 3: and you guys talk it out. Don't do it to
Speaker 3: me and behind my back invent to us all about it.
Speaker 4: So I can kind of see where Jen was coming from,
Speaker 4: and I can see why how the would be like, Okay,
Speaker 4: well I'm a little bit you know, are you becoming
Speaker 4: the next camera?
Speaker 3: Are you now being the pot star? So I don't know, what.
Speaker 1: Do you think I think this? I think I think
Speaker 1: two things can be true. Like I said, and how
Speaker 1: does the fans know you don't want anybody you're having
Speaker 1: an intimate conversation with go back and tell the bars
Speaker 1: that you're talking about, Carlos, that.
Speaker 3: Was not intimate. They were out a dinner with six
Speaker 3: or four girls.
Speaker 4: That's not intimate. That's not a one on one where
Speaker 4: you go out for a bi and a and say
Speaker 4: can we have a little chit chat? And I'm really
Speaker 4: got to get something off my chest and please keep
Speaker 4: this off record.
Speaker 3: That is not what happened.
Speaker 4: They were out of dinner after shooting a ten hour,
Speaker 4: freaking hardest day of your life, which the reunions are
Speaker 4: having a couple of cocktails inventing and everyone's ganging up inventing.
Speaker 3: That's not a intimate and intimate moment.
Speaker 2: Well, look the first time, try to help.
Speaker 3: I don't mean it like that. I'm not saying it
Speaker 3: because it's against Tether. I'm just saying it's like, that's
Speaker 3: nothing intimate about that.
Speaker 4: If you think one of those four girls you're bitching
Speaker 4: up to or not going to go back and tell
Speaker 4: somebody something, okay, then then maybe one martini too, Espresso
Speaker 4: martini too many. I don't know, but no, I mean you,
Speaker 4: you you, and especially after just getting off of the reunion,
Speaker 4: when you've just sat there and bagged on each other
Speaker 4: for ten straight hours with three breaks and no alcohol,
Speaker 4: and you're just sitting there like shooting crap.
Speaker 3: That's happened all for eight months of your life. Please,
Speaker 3: it's gonna get back. You can back.
Speaker 4: Somehow, or maybe one of the waitresses in the restaurant
Speaker 4: would have DMed Tamar and said, you have no idea girlfriend.
Speaker 4: They were just totally bagging on you this whole dinner
Speaker 4: all I heard.
Speaker 1: Now, guess what, Speaking of DM, I got a DM juste.
Speaker 3: I doubt that's just one.
Speaker 2: I got a DM from a rape doot. They wanted
Speaker 2: me to rea to you.
Speaker 3: Of shicks. Is it good or bad?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: If it's good, read it, it's bad. Don't read it.
Speaker 2: I want to read it. Oh God, let.
Speaker 4: Me put my seat boot on and maybe I should
Speaker 4: go get a DM.
Speaker 2: Alexis dad said, I got a d M.
Speaker 3: Why didn't they just DM me and put and tell
Speaker 3: me to my face?
Speaker 2: Because they're a rain drop, so I.
Speaker 6: Must talk to me a rain drop sidekick. We can't,
Speaker 6: can't you can't d M the rain Drop sidekick, So.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give her a shout out. Shout out to
Speaker 2: my beautiful rain Drop.
Speaker 1: Kimberly and okay, okay, Kimberly and said, I just love
Speaker 1: our fans.
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta say that, Alexis, we have great fans.
Speaker 1: Okay, Hey Carlo, I'm listening to your podcast with Alexus
Speaker 1: today recapping Orange County.
Speaker 2: Please tell Alexis that Tamra does.
Speaker 7: Listen to your podcast because she referenced it today on
Speaker 7: to teasing a pod saying something you said about Angie
Speaker 7: K's divorce.
Speaker 2: So please tell Alexis that I love you. I love her.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to let Alexis know it's true. Thank you. Thanks.
Speaker 4: Well, you know what's funny, Thank you, Kimberly And Okay,
Speaker 4: you know what's funny is after Tamara heard that podcast,
Speaker 4: she she texted me or called me and goes, I
Speaker 4: do listen to this one because I I you mentioned
Speaker 4: something because we chat and so she's like, I do.
Speaker 4: I don't even listen to my own podcast, but I
Speaker 4: did listen to that one.
Speaker 3: So what did Tamara reference?
Speaker 1: So it was Mia Monica Garcia was recapping angk from
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. But I will say this. I will
Speaker 1: say this because you know I'm fair. I'm fair, I'm fair,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Kimann. I will say that it was a
Speaker 1: social clip that I posted about it. So in Tamer's
Speaker 1: def fans, Tamar could have to solve the social clip.
Speaker 3: She did. She did, she did.
Speaker 4: It is true that she did listen at least one
Speaker 4: or two of ours, because she did text me or
Speaker 4: call me and say, I did listen to the podcast
Speaker 4: that you just said, I don't listen to podcast about
Speaker 4: but one.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, yay, yes, we love you, Tamp, Tamp,
Speaker 1: we love your girlfriend.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So back to Heather and Emily. In this scene, Emily
Speaker 1: brings up her birthday party. She does talk about Carmela,
Speaker 1: and in this scene she questions if Carmela, who she
Speaker 1: alleged kept saying to her.
Speaker 2: Are you going to open gifts? Are you going to
Speaker 2: open gifts? And she didn't.
Speaker 1: So when she went home, she did open up the
Speaker 1: gift and she saw that it was a door bag
Speaker 1: and she was happy with that, and then she also
Speaker 1: saw I was a vibrator.
Speaker 2: But Emily is questioning of Carmela.
Speaker 1: Did that because she wanted the clout of showing what
Speaker 1: she brought to her I.
Speaker 4: Okay, so at first, before I found out about the vibrator,
Speaker 4: I did think, oh, she just wanted to show off
Speaker 4: that she got a really expensive gift when the other
Speaker 4: girls might have got her a candle, you know whatever.
Speaker 3: But and also I'm kind of torn about that.
Speaker 4: I don't when I have my birthday celebrated, I don't
Speaker 4: really want to open on.
Speaker 3: My gifts in front of everybody. I get it.
Speaker 4: For a baby shower or a bridal shower, that's different.
Speaker 4: It's a moment that's you're creating bow wreaths and things
Speaker 4: like this, and I'll doing all these traditions, but for
Speaker 4: a birthday, I don't really like to open gifts her.
Speaker 4: To sit and watch my girlfriend open up twenty gifts either,
Speaker 4: I just don't, So I get wy Emily did not
Speaker 4: want to do that. However, I thought after I watched
Speaker 4: the whole scene, I think Carmela was excited about the
Speaker 4: fact that she put a gag gift in there, which
Speaker 4: I think now is hysterical, and so I'm like, no,
Speaker 4: she wanted everyone.
Speaker 3: To laugh and be like, oh, what a beautiful clutch.
Speaker 3: Then Emily opens it up to take the to see
Speaker 3: the inside, and.
Speaker 4: Then oh, there's one, and Emily's like, what that would
Speaker 4: have been a funny moment to make all the girls laugh.
Speaker 4: You're sitting there dressed up as as eighty year old women.
Speaker 4: Would have been a funny, fricking scene. So I get
Speaker 4: why Carmela was like, are you going to open it up?
Speaker 4: At first, I did agree that Emily was like, is
Speaker 4: she just doing this because she wants to say.
Speaker 3: Look, I bought the best gift in the room.
Speaker 4: But then after you watched Carmela's scene when she was
Speaker 4: thinking about it, that's when I that's when I understood
Speaker 4: behind the scenes, like what Carmela was thinking, which is
Speaker 4: hysterical that her seventeen year old daughters found eight vibrators
Speaker 4: or mom's house.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, my kids would die.
Speaker 2: I now, and I a way I do all. I
Speaker 2: want to ask you? How many do you own?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 3: Zero?
Speaker 4: The only one I ever did own was what was
Speaker 4: given to me as a gift and it went in
Speaker 4: the trash.
Speaker 2: So I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm just not a vibrator girl.
Speaker 2: Oh it's not no.
Speaker 3: And I'm married, don't need you don't need that.
Speaker 2: You got the real deal. You got the real deal.
Speaker 3: Say okay, move on, kids, listen, okay.
Speaker 2: Fine, bye bye, Okay. So I actually agree with you,
Speaker 2: And for me, I don't know.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 1: It annoyed me a bit because I feel like Emily
Speaker 1: was just starting something, you know what I mean, Alexis,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, there's so much other things happening really
Speaker 1: around you girls that too.
Speaker 2: Here here it is.
Speaker 1: I feel like one of the issues happening with reality
Speaker 1: television is I feel like it's hard sometimes for some
Speaker 1: women to just be in the moment and and I
Speaker 1: think they feel like everything's calculated instead of just being
Speaker 1: like this woman. First of all, Carmela has money and
Speaker 1: and she also I.
Speaker 3: Don't think she's a bragger about it though either. Do
Speaker 3: you think she's outing?
Speaker 4: I don't think she so I don't think so That's
Speaker 4: why I kind of side eyed what Emily said. She
Speaker 4: was just trying to show off and show I have money.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't really feel like I don't get
Speaker 4: that vibe for other housewives.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 4: I don't get that vibe from Carmela. So I didn't
Speaker 4: agree with that, But yeah, I wondered your take on that.
Speaker 2: So no, I agree with you, She's not a bragger.
Speaker 2: I feel like she listened.
Speaker 1: There's certain housewives and you know this being on the
Speaker 1: show that are great gift givers. They just they just
Speaker 1: they're know to really bring great gifts.
Speaker 3: That's life in general.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 4: That's interesting, like you can think about which gram all
Speaker 4: gives you a good gift and which gram I'll tried
Speaker 4: really hard and does it, you know, Like I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just some people are really gifted with that gift giving,
Speaker 4: you know, trait, and I'm just I'm kind of in
Speaker 4: the middle. Sometimes I really hit the nail on the
Speaker 4: head and sometimes I flubb. I'm like, okay, well that
Speaker 4: was a that was not what they wanted, you know.
Speaker 4: But anyway, so I don't I don't blame anybody for
Speaker 4: not being a great gift giver as long as you
Speaker 4: put some thought into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I but like I said, I agree with you
Speaker 1: when thos percent, I think she wanted to show the
Speaker 1: show Emily and listen maybe, and yes, for TV purposes,
Speaker 1: show the vibrator to really show light. I'll take myself
Speaker 1: too seriously, like I'm a fun girl, and I don't
Speaker 1: think there's anything wrong with it. But I thought that
Speaker 1: Emily was just not living in the moment and she
Speaker 1: wanted to find something to bring up as a storyline.
Speaker 3: She doesn't happen exactly. You just nailed it.
Speaker 2: You just nailed it.
Speaker 4: She doesn't have a storyline what she's supposed to do.
Speaker 4: Plus maybe maybe Carmela was like, since you probably don't
Speaker 4: have a ton of sex, here you go.
Speaker 3: This will help you out later. I don't know. Possibly,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's another And then Terry's joke about it was the
Speaker 4: funniest one ever.
Speaker 3: Terry's joke when he goes, he goes, if you don't
Speaker 3: like my gift, go f yourself.
Speaker 2: Oh it was perfect.
Speaker 3: Do that off the cuff that fast.
Speaker 4: That was really freaking fast and off Like I'm just
Speaker 4: like god, he is just so funny.
Speaker 2: Terry's great.
Speaker 3: And that's in life too. In real life he's that
Speaker 3: he is that witty and funny.
Speaker 1: Oh you could tell listen, which is kind of like, whatever.
Speaker 2: I love Terry Debro. I think he's I love Botch,
Speaker 2: I love I think he's a great.
Speaker 1: He's a great TV personality. He's he's more entertaining than Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's let's move on. Okay, okay, let's move on now.
Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on Vicki's lunch with
Speaker 1: Gina and Jin. In this scene, Gina is questioning whether
Speaker 1: or not she should get a prenup. As me know,
Speaker 1: she's engaged and to Travis, this will be her second marriage.
Speaker 1: She is telling Vicky, who you know, cares about women
Speaker 1: making money and being independent. She's like, look, I have
Speaker 1: come into my own and I'm just trying to figure
Speaker 1: out whether or not to get a prenup. Obviously, Biggie's like, yes,
Speaker 1: bit shu get a prenup. I'll say this much and
Speaker 1: this could be very unpopular, and I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2: I think it the.
Speaker 1: For me, I think is whatever works for the individual, Like,
Speaker 1: if you and your man are okay with it, do it.
Speaker 1: If you're not okay with it, don't do it. I
Speaker 1: just I feel uncomfortable telling couples what they should do
Speaker 1: for their own marriage.
Speaker 4: Me personally, I mean, I don't have a I don't
Speaker 4: think it's telling couples what they should do with their marriage.
Speaker 4: I think everyone can have their own opinion about it.
Speaker 4: And this is kind of to me one of those
Speaker 4: things like I'm a Missouri girl from Missouri originally, and
Speaker 4: I don't know. I feel like with all of my marriages.
Speaker 4: When I married the first guy, it was college sweetheart
Speaker 4: and we were only together for a year and we
Speaker 4: had nothing. We were broke college kids with nothing, so
Speaker 4: no reason for a prenup. Second one, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 4: not going to sign a prene up because it just
Speaker 4: is saying we're going to get divorced.
Speaker 3: In my mind, I'm like, we're gonna get divorced.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't sign a prenup said we can stay engaged forever
Speaker 4: or we're not doing one didn't do it. Third marriage
Speaker 4: with Johnny, I still feel the same way. I felt like,
Speaker 4: and I know everyone was telling both of us get prenup,
Speaker 4: to do this, do that.
Speaker 3: I just felt like when it came down.
Speaker 4: To it, it's like, I feel like it's setting your
Speaker 4: marriage up for the fact that you think you're going
Speaker 4: to get a divorce if you don't love.
Speaker 3: This guy or woman and you're not all in.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, it's like, then don't why are you
Speaker 4: even thinking about marriage? If I don't trust Johnny that
Speaker 4: when we get divorced, he's going to do the right
Speaker 4: stuff with our money, and we both know how much
Speaker 4: we had coming into the marriage. We both know what
Speaker 4: we both do to provide new work. It's like, it's
Speaker 4: just like he's going to take care of my kids.
Speaker 4: I'm going to take care of his kids, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's like we're gonna we're not going to hurt each other.
Speaker 4: But we also aren't looking at it like we're going
Speaker 4: to get a divorce in five years.
Speaker 3: You're just not so.
Speaker 4: But I also can see from other people's perspective where
Speaker 4: they would want to, especially with the people that were
Speaker 4: harping on John and I to both go do it,
Speaker 4: and we almost. We thought about it for about ten
Speaker 4: seconds and then we were like, we're just not gonna
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, in your second marriage,
Speaker 1: did did your ex husband in your in your reality
Speaker 1: you felt like did the right thing?
Speaker 3: Well? Yeah, because I mean neither of us when we
Speaker 3: first got married.
Speaker 4: I'm not having three kids with somebody thinking I'm going
Speaker 4: to break up, the marriage is going to end someday.
Speaker 3: I'm just not. We were not in that mind space.
Speaker 4: But I was also okay at that time, I was
Speaker 4: ready to have children too, and I just said, look,
Speaker 4: we can just stay engaged.
Speaker 3: I mean, we don't.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to get married to you if there's
Speaker 4: a prenup involved, because that's pretty much saying you want
Speaker 4: to have the seventy five percent statistic in California. I
Speaker 4: know it's fifty in the world, but it's seventy five
Speaker 4: percent in Cali or this area. I'm like, if you
Speaker 4: want to fall into that lump of people, I'm just
Speaker 4: not going to do it. So then we'll just stay
Speaker 4: engaged and yes, I'll still have children with you. Yes
Speaker 4: we can still move in together. And so that's kind
Speaker 4: of where and I really believed in that. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm just not going to I'm not going to go
Speaker 4: before God and say I do just to think I'm
Speaker 4: going to get a divorce.
Speaker 3: What are we going to do with all the money
Speaker 3: at that point? You know?
Speaker 4: It just it just gives me the bad feeling and
Speaker 4: it just sets in my mind. And I know I'm
Speaker 4: not popular opinion on this, probably, so it's okay though,
Speaker 4: that's just my That's how I feel, and that's how
Speaker 4: I'm living my life. And I don't think anything's wrong
Speaker 4: with Ginette Travis obviously doesn't have an issue with it.
Speaker 3: You know, what would you.
Speaker 4: Do if you get married, Carlos, are you are you
Speaker 4: leaning more towards I would sign a prenup?
Speaker 3: Or are you leaning towards?
Speaker 2: Yes? I would. It would go both ways for us,
Speaker 2: for me, for me, for me.
Speaker 3: Man has even if your man has more money than you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, because I think I think the biggest thing
Speaker 1: that I and it wouldn't be anything difficult.
Speaker 2: It would just be it would literally be what you.
Speaker 1: Said, I have this going in, you have that going in,
Speaker 1: and let's us go, just because I just think it's
Speaker 1: the for me. I just want to make sure we're
Speaker 1: in the clear. But when it came to your so
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. My question was after you guys were going
Speaker 1: through a divorce, and after the divorce was finalized, did
Speaker 1: you feel like you're ex did the right thing in
Speaker 1: terms of giving you what you needed for your children?
Speaker 2: And and and like there was it wasn't like, uh, I.
Speaker 4: Think my ex knew that no matter what, I'm not
Speaker 4: a gold digger. And so I'm going to leave it
Speaker 4: at that. I'm not going to answer your question directly.
Speaker 4: I'm going to leave it at what. And I all
Speaker 4: I care about was, you know, I'm going to leave
Speaker 4: it at that.
Speaker 1: Okay, and I and I of course respect that. So
Speaker 1: again is one of those things where I do feel
Speaker 1: like it's individual. One thing I can say to you,
Speaker 1: I don't like I don't like that Vickie boyfriend boyfriend
Speaker 1: Mike is dangling the care of a ring and saying,
Speaker 1: I have it and I'll give it to you when
Speaker 1: I feel like you're shaping upright.
Speaker 4: I think that's I think that was a joke, But
Speaker 4: that was a really joke that fell on deaf ears.
Speaker 3: I don't think he probably meant that.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was a joke.
Speaker 3: What I was gonna.
Speaker 4: Say, what is that I've never heard of a guy
Speaker 4: having a ring unless he's like nervous, Like I've heard
Speaker 4: of friends that have a ring and they're just like,
Speaker 4: I want to do it. I just can't figure out
Speaker 4: the right way. I don't know when I'm just I'm
Speaker 4: still nervous. I guess that, like, but it's not like
Speaker 4: he tells his girlfriend, I've got a ring and I'm
Speaker 4: holding it, you know it was That's just I don't
Speaker 4: know how to even feel with that.
Speaker 2: It's gross. I'm sorry, I think I think this.
Speaker 3: I think I don't think that he means it. I
Speaker 3: think he does have a mean bone in his body.
Speaker 3: Oh do you not like him?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I don't know him. So the thing is, well,
Speaker 1: let me say this. I don't know half of the
Speaker 1: bro but I can tell you I about her. But
Speaker 1: what I will say, I haven't seen enough of him. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're wrong.
Speaker 2: Of course, you you see that he could be joking.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he Isn't that that that's that
Speaker 1: couldn't be the case. From my fantage point. I just think,
Speaker 1: I think as a man, when you know that you
Speaker 1: have a woman, and you guys are of a particular age,
Speaker 1: right right.
Speaker 2: That's not something you do at your big age.
Speaker 1: It's sort of like this woman clearly is telling you
Speaker 1: she wants to get married again and for you to
Speaker 1: joke about it. And it's what I was surprised was this.
Speaker 1: As strong as Vickie is, as independent as Vickie is,
Speaker 1: as much of a mentor to women as Vickie is,
Speaker 1: I will say this, it surprised me that Vicky Goalbleson
Speaker 1: would accept that.
Speaker 3: Well, this is.
Speaker 4: Also kind of what I wanted to ask you. Well,
Speaker 4: I agree with you. I'm not sure why she's accepting it.
Speaker 4: I think that it is part of the storyline now though, Carlos,
Speaker 4: so I wanted to get your thoughts on this. I
Speaker 4: feel like we are going to see more of this unpack.
Speaker 4: I feel like we're gonna because they've played it now
Speaker 4: a little bit of the scene of her Imperia Bardo
Speaker 4: talking to her brother about it, or No in Mexico
Speaker 4: talking to her brother about it, and then we saw
Speaker 4: the scene where she just told the girls and they
Speaker 4: are like.
Speaker 3: Okay, well what's that all about.
Speaker 4: So I feel like there's going to be another scene
Speaker 4: down the road where we might find out something about it.
Speaker 4: I just like or that we've even hear his and
Speaker 4: then we'll be able to go okay, now I get it,
Speaker 4: kind of like the Vibrator. Once we understood Carmela's side
Speaker 4: of it, we then knew, well, okay, this was why.
Speaker 3: Maybe once we hear his side, we'll understand why.
Speaker 4: Because I have a lot I have a big why
Speaker 4: with a big old question mark at the end of it.
Speaker 1: To your point, maybe there's a season finale where she
Speaker 1: gets proposed to I.
Speaker 3: Didn't want to go there, but that's what I was
Speaker 3: kind of thinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that's a good point to have where
Speaker 2: it's going.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of excited to hear that about that and
Speaker 3: see that I hope.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, let's get to Tamar and Teddy. Teddy's our girl,
Speaker 1: and it was nice to see her back on the screen.
Speaker 1: By the way, for Teddy to go through what she's
Speaker 1: been going through, not only with battling cancer, but if
Speaker 1: you have followed Teddy's story for the past couple of years,
Speaker 1: she's been very open and honest about all of the
Speaker 1: treatment she's been enduring and the toll has been taking
Speaker 1: on her body, her hair loss, her her energy and
Speaker 1: all those things. She looked so beautiful.
Speaker 2: It uh, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I I Carlos King, adore Messing Teddy Bella Camp.
Speaker 1: I think she's such a great gal. She admitted to
Speaker 1: having some form of memory loss, which made me sad
Speaker 1: to hear that cause I wasn't aware of that. And
Speaker 1: it made me sadder when she said she wonders if
Speaker 1: she's going to get her fire back, because you know
Speaker 1: that girl has she's a firecracker. But I just love
Speaker 1: Teddy and I appreciate it once again seeing that scene
Speaker 1: between her and Tamera.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think, you know, Teddy's very vulnerable with
Speaker 4: her story and very authentic and revealing, like she tells
Speaker 4: a lot of things that not everybody would probably share.
Speaker 3: So I mean, my heart just goes out to her.
Speaker 4: And and even though she doesn't have the fire that
Speaker 4: she thinks she used to have, I still feel like
Speaker 4: she's there, Like she still got such a she's still
Speaker 4: got some zingers and some funnies and some you know,
Speaker 4: and I know it's got to be in her shoes.
Speaker 4: It's got to be really like the day to day
Speaker 4: has to get a little bit exhausting mentally and emotionally
Speaker 4: and all of that. So you know, I just always
Speaker 4: send prayers their way. And she's funny and even though
Speaker 4: she's kind of like, you know, I got mad at
Speaker 4: her season eighteen when I went back, because she was
Speaker 4: really brutal to me, and she was my friend, like
Speaker 4: she we flew to we flew to sand somewhere together
Speaker 4: if we were now, but anyway, and it was like
Speaker 4: we saw Janet Jackson together and we just totally like
Speaker 4: became friends. And then she really bagged on me during
Speaker 4: season eighteen, and I was like, that is so, you know,
Speaker 4: I got mad and then once I started potting with you,
Speaker 4: it's like, you can't take it personal.
Speaker 3: It's just like she's just recapping the scenes. And that's
Speaker 3: what she kind of talked to me.
Speaker 4: You know, we've worked a little bit together since then,
Speaker 4: and that's kind of what she just told me. She's like,
Speaker 4: I just was recapping the scenes. It wasn't personal to you.
Speaker 4: It's just you know what came across in the scene.
Speaker 4: I'm like, but you have my tech. You could have
Speaker 4: text me, you could have called tamor called me and
Speaker 4: asked me what the truth is about the whole thing,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: But anyway, yeah, love her, love.
Speaker 2: Her, love love her.
Speaker 1: And in this scene too, we we were able to
Speaker 1: hear Tamar's pov in regards to dealing with these girls
Speaker 1: last season while her best friend, which by the way,
Speaker 1: this made me want to cry too, and Tamar said,
Speaker 1: I finally found my best friend for life and then
Speaker 1: this happens to her, which goes to show you that
Speaker 1: to be Tamar Judge on this show, where you're always
Speaker 1: entering a situation where they're not really your friends and
Speaker 1: you have this it must be the strangest mind fuck
Speaker 1: that at your job. It's a job for you now,
Speaker 1: like you, these aren't your friends. And again I'm not
Speaker 1: speaking for Tamara, I'm speaking.
Speaker 3: On the cast member.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and being a viewer like this is what I'm
Speaker 1: seeing and to see that Teddy is her best friend
Speaker 1: and to see a different side of Tamara in that
Speaker 1: moment really goes to show you like, no, this is
Speaker 1: her best friend. And it made me also understand what
Speaker 1: Tama's going through as well, because seeing Vicky have the
Speaker 1: treads Amiga's.
Speaker 2: Dinner. I'm gonna say this, and Alex says, you don't
Speaker 2: have to.
Speaker 1: Say anything because I don't want to put you in
Speaker 1: an uncomfortable situation.
Speaker 4: Well, just know that I am friends with Vicky and
Speaker 4: friends with Tamra, so it's going to be really hard
Speaker 4: for me to Okay, but go ahead. I'm going to
Speaker 4: be very objective though I still I'm going to be
Speaker 4: objective about the scene, but go ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these ladies don't appreciate Tamra, Judge and I miss
Speaker 1: the fire Tamra has and I feel like when she
Speaker 1: was fired and wasn't on the show for two years,
Speaker 1: they all knew the show was not good, and I'm
Speaker 1: not excusing Tama's behavior. I have also also on this
Speaker 1: podcast called out Tamora when she was extremely messy to Shannon.
Speaker 1: I told Tamor, I literally told Tamar personally, I don't
Speaker 1: like it when you called Shannon a drunk that season,
Speaker 1: when you said you're drunk, I said, I said, Tamara,
Speaker 1: I don't like it.
Speaker 2: She gave me her reasons.
Speaker 1: I respected it, but I was honest with my girl
Speaker 1: saying I don't like it. I think it's nasty. So
Speaker 1: I'm not here excusing her behavior over the years. What
Speaker 1: I am saying is watching VICKI try to mediate a
Speaker 1: conversation between Shannon and Tamara where they both did something wrong.
Speaker 1: I feel like, as a as, I feel like in totality,
Speaker 1: we have to start respecting our villain and we have
Speaker 1: to start protecting them as well, because Tamra is fantastic television,
Speaker 1: and my concern for this season is I'm going to
Speaker 1: get a water down Tamera because these girls are so
Speaker 1: sensitive that they don't mind talking shit about her her back,
Speaker 1: but they also don't appreciate that Tamar Judge helped us
Speaker 1: get another season. When you guys wanted head of the
Speaker 1: bro to come back and be the face of the show,
Speaker 1: and that was a flop. And then you had another
Speaker 1: season where nothing was happening. And when Tamar came back,
Speaker 1: she brought she brought life into the show. She breathed
Speaker 1: life into the show. And I just feel like some
Speaker 1: of those girls are so unappreciative of cauld should be
Speaker 1: a bit sure is.
Speaker 2: She sometimes takes us too far.
Speaker 1: Sure, But one thing I will say about the Atlanta
Speaker 1: Housewives working with them, they always appreciate Kenya Moore because
Speaker 1: they all said to me, all of them said to me,
Speaker 1: all of them said this to me, Ah, that Kenya
Speaker 1: Moore is necessary for this show. And although we may
Speaker 1: not always agree with her or even like her, we
Speaker 1: will never ever ever believe this show can work without her.
Speaker 4: So they respected her. They respected her what she brought
Speaker 4: to the show.
Speaker 1: Yes, and these girls don't respect what Tama brings to
Speaker 1: the show. And I'm telling you by now I'm not
Speaker 1: interested in watching a water down Tama judge on my screen.
Speaker 4: Well, we'll have to see what happens, but so you know,
Speaker 4: I'm in a knowing situation with this scene.
Speaker 3: Carlos, Right when I was watching, and I'm like, how
Speaker 3: am I gonna? How do I eat? Real?
Speaker 4: I'm in a no when because you know, I really
Speaker 4: don't like to talk about Shannon at all as we
Speaker 4: all know, and Vicky and tamer are both my friends.
Speaker 3: But here's my time. I'm gonna be.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give it to you, okay, And I just
Speaker 4: want everyone to keep the pre precursor to this is
Speaker 4: that I'm literally just trying to recap a show here
Speaker 4: and tell my feelings about what I saw on TV.
Speaker 4: It could be Lucy Joy and Ethel Okay, it could
Speaker 4: be those three girls, And I'm just given my scene
Speaker 4: on what I saw, Okay, my take on what I saw. So,
Speaker 4: first of all, you're right a million percent. I was like,
Speaker 4: I was like, why is why is Vicky so like, why.
Speaker 3: Don't you just say you're sorry? Tamara? Wy don't just
Speaker 3: do that?
Speaker 4: Has everyone forgot the last like eight ten years we've
Speaker 4: watched what Shannon has done to Tamra.
Speaker 3: Why does she just get a whole of pass.
Speaker 4: She's she we all know she's permanent victim, Like she's
Speaker 4: got a big V her on her forehead.
Speaker 3: We know that, we get that.
Speaker 4: It's apparent she's not strong enough to be a strong
Speaker 4: leader like tamra is.
Speaker 3: We get that.
Speaker 4: However, there is two in this pot that tangoed to
Speaker 4: make the friendship go downhill, okay, and I feel like
Speaker 4: Tamar's even being so kind and stepping back and not
Speaker 4: even going down the checklist that I know behind scenes. Also, yeah,
Speaker 4: what has happened with those two? So I don't know
Speaker 4: why Tammer's taking the seat this season where seat the
Speaker 4: season where she's just like, I'm just going to be
Speaker 4: so soft and not really go back and rehash all
Speaker 4: the bullshit that's happened to me from the other one, Okay,
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 3: That bothered me.
Speaker 4: But at the end of it, though, Carlos, you have
Speaker 4: to look at it and go they all kind of
Speaker 4: were laughing at the end, And so are we going
Speaker 4: to see them kind of be able to film together,
Speaker 4: because that's all I really want if they're going to
Speaker 4: be on a show, if you're going to be cast mates,
Speaker 4: you can't do what Shannon did last year, which is
Speaker 4: a completely ignored camera and just and not make for
Speaker 4: good TV.
Speaker 3: You just look like an idiot.
Speaker 4: It's like, just at least at least have some kind
Speaker 4: of something you know, and at the party, Heather's Valentine
Speaker 4: party completely ignored her. It's like, you have to work
Speaker 4: with the girl and you can't iceer out because you
Speaker 4: ain't got.
Speaker 3: That much you know, clout. But so I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just feel like I'm happy that the scene ended
Speaker 4: the way it did and that there might be a
Speaker 4: chance now that they're all going to be able to
Speaker 4: film together.
Speaker 2: The thing is, this is tres amigas. Was trans rushed.
Speaker 1: It was it was it was very.
Speaker 2: Like I was watching Rush Arberba, Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan.
Speaker 2: I'm like, here's here's the deal.
Speaker 1: To me as a producer, I smelled the producer telling them,
Speaker 1: get over it. We need y'all to film together this season.
Speaker 1: They did not resolve anything. I'm sorry, I got I
Speaker 1: gotta call it out.
Speaker 2: They The reason.
Speaker 1: Why the reason why the scene felt soulless is because
Speaker 1: to your point, we know how this works.
Speaker 2: They cannot move on.
Speaker 1: For the rest of the season being an odds and
Speaker 1: I get that, but what I wanted to at least
Speaker 1: see was even if the scene took up.
Speaker 2: Half the episode.
Speaker 1: I as a viewer since season season three, when Tamar started.
Speaker 2: As a viewer hair flip.
Speaker 3: He just flipped his hair that he doesn't have. Bald
Speaker 3: guy just did the hair flow.
Speaker 1: I started watching O Sea till season three, when Tamar started,
Speaker 1: and when Tamra till Gretchen honey, hold on to your daddy, girls,
Speaker 1: that goes gratch head. Anyway, whatever, I digress. My point
Speaker 1: is this happened twenty dinniversary.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: The thing is this, I, as a viewer, would have
Speaker 1: appreciated fifteen minutes of them really hashing it out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, it was all pop, this is it and
Speaker 4: get it all out all, get it all out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I agree with you on that one hundred pe. I
Speaker 3: may build up.
Speaker 4: Maybe now Shannon and Tamora will sit down and have
Speaker 4: a little bit more of a Okay, look, we got
Speaker 4: the we put the band aid on. Now let's take
Speaker 4: the bandit out and talk about it to the you know,
Speaker 4: I want to. I hope she does. I'll have to
Speaker 4: ask her, but I don't know. I don't know if
Speaker 4: she did or not.
Speaker 3: I hope.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but.
Speaker 2: I will say this to you. It makes me sad because, look,
Speaker 2: Shannon is not innocent, and I'm not what I'm not
Speaker 2: going to.
Speaker 1: Do is go backwards and remind people of all the
Speaker 1: crazy things Shannon has done. Y'all know she's done it.
Speaker 1: A lot of y'all choose to ignore it, and that's and.
Speaker 2: That it is what it is.
Speaker 1: Y'all choose ignore what she does on camera and behind
Speaker 1: the scenes allegedly. What I'm here to say is camera
Speaker 1: is at fault, but fuck so is Shannon. Like we're
Speaker 1: not gonna make it seem like the one thing Tamra
Speaker 1: does do unlike Shannon.
Speaker 2: Tamra called it out and says your faith.
Speaker 1: And what I will also say is this, I really
Speaker 1: wanted that scene to talk about Alexis Tamra saying when
Speaker 1: I got fired, you stop contacting me.
Speaker 4: Oh, there's a whole list. That's why I was gonna say,
Speaker 4: how's everybody? There's honey, there's a laundry list. So I
Speaker 4: don't know why Tamer's sitting back and not saying anything
Speaker 4: and not sticking.
Speaker 3: Up for herself.
Speaker 4: I truly do feel like Tamar got so beat down
Speaker 4: last year last season that she just is.
Speaker 3: Like over it all.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I really do feel like maybe and you're gonna be
Speaker 4: You're gonna be sad if it's water down in So's America.
Speaker 3: So maybe then she'll get her fire back. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but you're right, I don't know either.
Speaker 4: Why is everyone forgetting everything? It's like only person that's
Speaker 4: bad guy's camera. It's so not true, so not true.
Speaker 4: All the things that they've done, we all do.
Speaker 3: We're on a TV show.
Speaker 1: You always f up, you do one hundred percent, one
Speaker 1: hundred percent, so again treasing me, gus.
Speaker 2: I'm happy all back together. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't buy the authenticity of it. For for for
Speaker 1: a bit, I think it's performative. I think they all
Speaker 1: understood we need to move forward for the show.
Speaker 2: And while I can appreciate.
Speaker 1: That as a producer, what I don't appreciate is I
Speaker 1: did not get a scene that really spoke about the
Speaker 1: history of their issues and really see them go through
Speaker 1: the pain of getting to a resolution.
Speaker 2: And I felt like I was cheated as a viewer
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 3: You thought it was inauthentic, is what it is. You
Speaker 3: felt like it was just.
Speaker 4: It was just to make the producers happy and the
Speaker 4: network happy and then move on like it's like, okay, girls,
Speaker 4: we did it. We laughed at the end Okay, check
Speaker 4: that off the list and let's go back to hating
Speaker 4: each other kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, well.
Speaker 4: As long as they as long as we get a
Speaker 4: couple of good scenes out of it, that's all I care.
Speaker 1: Well, I do too listen to this episode because again,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna end by saying this.
Speaker 2: Unpopular opinion, who cares?
Speaker 1: I really have enjoyed the last couple of seasons of OC.
Speaker 2: I never for a second thought the show was dark.
Speaker 1: I always thought the show was interesting because sorry, I
Speaker 1: always thought the show was interesting because it was real
Speaker 1: women having real conversations and really calling each other out
Speaker 1: and yes, having fun moments too. I just want to
Speaker 1: see that come back to this show. And that's and
Speaker 1: I'll just end by saying.
Speaker 4: That, Well, I thought I was just happy to have
Speaker 4: Vicki back because you know, there's going to be some
Speaker 4: more levity in the show because she just is she
Speaker 4: is levity, and she's authentic, lovety levity, unlike some people
Speaker 4: that are acting to see if they can make America laugh,
Speaker 4: which is obviously flopping. But but Vicky definitely is is
Speaker 4: like just funny who she is, I mean, and even
Speaker 4: when she's not taping, you know how there's people, there's
Speaker 4: characters that are.
Speaker 3: Some way on camera and then off camera they're totally different.
Speaker 4: No, what you see with Vicky is what you get.
Speaker 4: She is the exact same person as it is if
Speaker 4: you just go have dinner with her. I mean we
Speaker 4: were in we were in my roles one day. We
Speaker 4: were going a decade ago. We're going down La, you know,
Speaker 4: going to somewhere, and I forget I think she was
Speaker 4: with Brooks and I was with Gym at the time,
Speaker 4: and we have a driver.
Speaker 3: And she's literally out the window going whoa.
Speaker 4: And I'm looking at her like you are just seriously
Speaker 4: a hoot, like I was dying.
Speaker 2: I love her. I love her. I love her.
Speaker 3: She's the same. She doesn't act on camera, she's She's
Speaker 3: just a funny person.
Speaker 2: So that's like, oh we are We're both happy Vicky
Speaker 2: is back.
Speaker 1: So rain Drops and Kimberly Anne, let us know your
Speaker 1: thoughts on tresdent migas. Do you think it was genuine
Speaker 1: or do you think it was We have to move
Speaker 1: forward for the show.
Speaker 2: Let us know in the comments.
Speaker 1: Alexis and I will be back to recap episode four
Speaker 1: of season twenty Rural.
Speaker 2: Housewives of Worts County. My beautiful alexis not a great weekend.
Speaker 1: You too, I'll see you so bye, baby, Bye bye.
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Speaker 1: produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership.
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