1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to Ron and Nanian The Car Doctor, nationally 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: recognized auto expert trusted by Mechanics, Weekend wrenchers and vehicle 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: owners Alife. Ron brings over forty years of hands on 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: experience and deep industry insight to help you understand your vehicle. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Join the Conversation live every Saturday from two to four 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: pm Eastern by calling eight five to five five six 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. That's a five to five 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: five six zero ninety nine hundred, your direct line to 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: honest answers and practical advice. 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We've had him 20 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: back now a couple of times We're always glad to 21 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: talk to him. He's our guy on the ground in 22 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: the automobile industry. Cherokee Heart. He's the business manager at 23 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: Mawall four, obviously in Mahwah, New Jersey. Cherokee. Welcome back 24 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: to the car Doctor. 25 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: Thank you very much for having me. 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 2: So right off the bat, how's business. 27 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:31,639 Speaker 3: Well, hasn't exactly been off the charts, but it's consistent, right, So, and. 28 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 2: You know, you got to make hay while the sun shines, 29 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: and you'll have busy weeks and slow weeks. And I 30 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: think I think this year, you, like a lot of 31 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: other car dealers, are in that everybody's kind of focusing 32 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: on high school graduations and college graduations and and that 33 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: kind of stuff. 34 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 3: Right, absolutely. And then you know, the thing's going on 35 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: in the economy as well, right changes the temple of 36 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 3: the business. 37 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: So, and there's a great segue. Thank you so much. 38 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: Tariffs it's on everybody's mind. I can't tell you how 39 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: many times that they count. Somebody starts, you know, should 40 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: I buy my battery now or should I buy it 41 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: in six months? Will the tariffs affect it? Will this 42 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 2: affect it? And then tariffs on the automobiles. How has 43 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: that you know, can you speak to how has that 44 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 2: affected the industry and then specifically how has it if 45 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: it has affected Ford. 46 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 3: So it has affected and will continue to affect the 47 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: industry itself. Starting on May second, of course, the terriffs 48 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 3: went into the effect. There are some manufacturers that saying 49 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 3: that they're going to be able to absorb the majority 50 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: of the terrors and not pass it on to their customers, 51 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: but in some ways, should or form, it will get 52 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 3: passed on eventually. There's no way just to you know, 53 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: eat on the expenses over time. But one of the 54 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 3: things that we do know is that was Ford, the Machi, 55 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: the Maverick, and the Broncos Sport will see a slight 56 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 3: increase in pricing, which is up to possibly two thousand 57 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: dollars to the MSRP. However, Ford is starting to absorb 58 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 3: most of the terraffs that are being put on their vehicles, 59 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 3: and the terrafs. 60 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: Are affecting vehicles. It's affecting vehicles made outside of the 61 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: United States. Correct. 62 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 3: Yes, Basically, you have kind of a system where vehicles 63 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 3: come into the US to get certain parts and things assembled. 64 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 3: Then they may go up to Canada or to Mexico 65 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 3: to get other parts assembled there and they come back 66 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 3: into the US because the US do not produce every 67 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 3: single part of a vehicle. You have some parts that 68 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: come from China, you have some parts that come from Korea, Canada, Mexico. 69 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: As we know, so the parts of the vehicles are 70 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: coming from so many different places. There's thousands of parts 71 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: that go into building one vehicle, right sure, Therefore they're 72 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 3: coming from so many different places. 73 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: How has I don't know if you'll if you'll know 74 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: this answer, but you know, just mawaf FOURD alone, as 75 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: big as they are, they've been there forever, very well known, 76 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: you know, family dealership in North Jersey. Yeah, how has 77 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: the teriffs affected ability to get parts in general? Are 78 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 2: they do? You know if the parts department is struggling. 79 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 3: The parts department has not seen the full effect just 80 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 3: yet of the terriffs, but they most definitely are bracing forward. 81 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 3: So of course we order as many parts as we 82 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 3: could that are regular parts that we would have shipped 83 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 3: from outside the country. So you get as many parts 84 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 3: as you know that ship from outside the country here 85 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: and you just hope and pray that you know, the 86 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 3: business doesn't slow down too much. But we've not been 87 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 3: affected too heavily just yet because it just kind of 88 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 3: started at the beginning of the month. 89 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: Do you think that the tariffs have slowed down parts 90 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: deliveries are? Do you think that some of the vendors 91 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: are playing the game of well, if I wait a 92 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: little bit longer, I may be able to charge more 93 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: for this part. Do you think that's come into it yet? 94 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: Well, I think that always plays into the parts manager's 95 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: hands because they have to keep pricing consistent. Right, So 96 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 3: if they're going to get here with tariffs as soon 97 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 3: as it starts, I'm quite sure the majority of the 98 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 3: folks in the industry are going to go ahead and 99 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 3: set the parts for the future, not just for now, 100 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: but also for the future. That way, it stays pretty 101 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: consistent across the boards, right. But parts business is doing 102 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 3: pretty well considering the things that are going on. 103 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: And I've got to say it affects you know, it's 104 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: it's affecting everybody, you know, the independent shops, myself, a 105 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: lot of the guys around me as we talk. You 106 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: know that that oil filter that you bought on Monday, 107 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: by Tuesday may have gone up three percent by Wednesday 108 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 2: five percent and by Thursday you're going, holy can it 109 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: costs me double what it cost me on Monday. And 110 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 2: it's happened a few times, and it's a tough option 111 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: to deal with. You're always looking at pricing, I will 112 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 2: say that, so you know, that becomes a big issue. 113 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: Let's talk about if we can. Let's talk about I'm 114 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 2: out here, I want to buy a new car or 115 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: a used car, and I'm going to commem in and 116 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 2: I want to get I don't know if my credit's 117 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: any good. What has the credit process changed? You know, 118 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: the industry is so upside down right now. Has the 119 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 2: credit gotten more stringent? We're the interest rates right now, 120 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: Let's start the conversation there. If I'm coming in to 121 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: buy a new car, finance it through forward, what's the 122 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 2: interest rate? 123 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: Interest rates right now are depending on certain models, certain 124 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 3: models for to have an interest rate for short term 125 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 3: financing as well as one point nine, which is something 126 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 3: we have not seen for long, and it's been a while. 127 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: The banking industry is starting to bounce back. Wear're starting 128 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 3: to see rates in the five percent and every blue moon, 129 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: you have a certain you know, credit union or something 130 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 3: for for municipal employees that maybe in the fource that's ridiculous. 131 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: But it's great to see that the financial industry is 132 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 3: starting to bounce back with interest rates a lot stronger 133 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: than what it has been over the last several years, 134 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 3: even though for the most part it's not been very 135 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 3: much movement and the interest rate reductions what with the 136 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 3: you know government, right, So do. 137 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: You see you know, what's the approval rate right now? 138 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: You know? 139 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 4: Are you know? 140 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: Is it is it? Are we seeing seventy percent get approved? 141 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: Eighty percent can approve, fifty percent get approved? 142 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 3: You know? 143 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: Is the And that's always a sign of the economy, right. 144 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: How good is everybody's credit? If you were to guess 145 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: and put a number on it, what's the. 146 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: Percentage majority of the folks that come into biocar are 147 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: going to get approved as long as you have a 148 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 3: decent down payment credit history. I've seen credit scores as 149 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 3: low as a five point fifty five forty uh be 150 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: you know, approved with a car because they have the 151 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: right cash down and they have a decent job history. 152 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: People go through struggles. Banks understand that, and we have 153 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: select banks that specialize with you know, bad credit or 154 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 3: or I say challenge credit, and they just continue to 155 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 3: build the person's profile based off of their down payment, 156 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 3: their job history, how long they've been able to hold, 157 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 3: you know, a credit card for so long, in decent, 158 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: you know, payment history, even though they have late payments 159 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: over the last year, have they been consistent and. 160 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: The little things they look at that. So, if I'm 161 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 2: thinking of buying a car in six months, am I 162 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: better off buying that car now? 163 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 3: I would say most definitely. Now, if you're buying a 164 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: new car, it's the best time to buy it right now. 165 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: Why Well, majority of the cars that in inventory right now, 166 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 3: that are in the inventory right now, they have not 167 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 3: had the terrors applied to them. So if you're looking 168 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 3: for that Machi, the Maverick, the Broncos Sport, those are 169 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 3: the three cars for Ford that are going to be 170 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 3: going up for sure. However, all across the boards, majority 171 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 3: of the inventory that are in the dealer's inventories right 172 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 3: now are not you slap with terrors. So therefore, now 173 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 3: is a good time to purchase a vehicle. And I 174 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 3: would most definitely say instead of sitting on it, if 175 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 3: you have the ability to do it, go ahead and 176 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 3: buy now. 177 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: If I'm leasing a car. I'll tell you what. Let's 178 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: pull over, take a pause. When we come back, I 179 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: want to talk about if I'm leasing a car and 180 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: I've got six months to go before my lease expires, 181 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: I want to talk about is it worthwhile for me 182 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: to have that conversation with my dealer because while they 183 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: get me out of the lease early, don't don't give 184 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: us the answer yet. Let's come back to it. I'm 185 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: run an Indie in the car doctor. I'm here with Cherokee. 186 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: Hardy's the business manager over at mawaf Ford in New Jersey, 187 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: and we're talking about tariff's cars and everything in between. 188 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: We'll both return right after this. Don't go away. So 189 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: you're thinking of getting out of your lease early? Hi, 190 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 2: run an Innie in the car doctor. Yep, I'm still 191 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 2: here and I'm here with Cherokee Heart of mawaw Ford. 192 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: We're talking about cars and tariffs and all comments and 193 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: points in between. When we left and pulled over and 194 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 2: took the pause, we were talking about leasing and when 195 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: you lease a vehicle, your your lease comes to an end. 196 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: You lease for two and a half years or three 197 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: years or whatever the leaf cycle is. And if your 198 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 2: lease ends early Is there a way to get out 199 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: of it if you want it to end early? Cherokee? 200 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 2: If I'm leasing a car and it's a three year 201 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: cycle or two and a half year cycle, is there 202 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: a bigger advantage now than previously or is it the same? 203 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 2: Are there still obstacles in place? If I want to 204 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 2: get out of that lease early? Can I is it? 205 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: Does it pay for me to go talk to my dealer? 206 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 3: If you're several months within the time of your lease 207 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 3: being up, I must definitely say that it's a good 208 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 3: time to go in and inquire. Ford has some aggressive 209 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 3: rebates out there to retain customers, especially for like the 210 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 3: Ford Escape if you're already leasing a Ford Escape, or 211 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 3: even for the f one City, they have aggressive rebase 212 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 3: retaining customers bringing them back in that starts anywhere from 213 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 3: three to six months out ahead of the lease being due. 214 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 3: Almost definitely, I do say that, see the dealer and 215 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 3: leasing right now is for Ford has probably been most 216 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 3: aggressive as it's been in the last two or three years. 217 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 2: Give me, give me it, give us a number. I 218 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: want to come in and buy. I want to commit 219 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 2: and buy a new Mustang, a basic Mustang, nothing too crazy, 220 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: a V six Automatic transportation. You know, is there is 221 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: there a lease number you can give us? What's the rate? 222 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 3: Well, I would tell you this on a Mustang, they're 223 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 3: not the best vehicles, Okay, I would most definitely say 224 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 3: finance that instead. However, if you were to take a 225 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: look at. 226 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: Now that's a way to back up a second, why 227 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: do you say that. 228 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 3: Well, believe it or not, the Mustang's residuals are a 229 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 3: little bit lower than the regular vehicles because that's a 230 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 3: sporty ride, right right, It's a performance car. So the 231 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 3: leasing on those you typically don't have as strong as 232 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 3: an incentive to lease a Mustang. Whenever people do lease 233 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 3: those cars, and this is a rule of thumb, they 234 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 3: use and abuse those cars for three years and then 235 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 3: hand forward back of keys and say whatever I've left 236 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 3: you with, I've left you with, and the vehicle may 237 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 3: not have been taken good care of. So the leases 238 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 3: on a Mustang are typically very few and far between. 239 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: Interesting. So you're saying, if I was going to commit 240 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 2: and I'm looking for transportation, you know, I'm a family 241 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: of three or four and I need a small family 242 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: vehicle and I need to lease. What am I going 243 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 2: to lease? 244 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 3: I'm going to bring you right over to a Ford Escape. Okay, 245 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: great for a family, you have a family of three 246 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 3: or four. You can fit a car seat in it 247 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 3: pretty well, is very gas efficient, and the payments on 248 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 3: them are pretty good as well average payments these days. 249 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 3: Whenever you put down your taxes first payment and a 250 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 3: few thousand dollars down, you can get a decent payment 251 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: between four to five hundred dollars with a four eskate. 252 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: So will the tariffs as they pile on? Will the 253 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: tariffs effect lease rates as well as the overall purchase 254 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: price of the car? 255 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 3: Yeah? So, whenever you're leasing a vehicle, depending on the 256 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 3: money factor. For the most part, whenever you lease a vehicle, 257 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 3: every thousand is different than purchase of a vehicle, which 258 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 3: on average would say seventeen to twenty dollars. Well, on 259 00:13:55,240 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 3: a lease every thousand is closer to twenty seven to 260 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 3: thirty two dollars per thousand. That spread per thousand is 261 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 3: going to bump up your payments roughly thirty dollars a month. 262 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: Has How has leasing change off the top of your 263 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: head in the last three years? Is it more expensive 264 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 2: now than it was three years ago? 265 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: Oh? Well, it's changed by almost two to three hundred 266 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 3: dollars on a car now is three years ago? 267 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: Is that economy related, tariff related, general cost of doing 268 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: business related? If you're gonna put your finger on it, 269 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: what would you say? 270 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 3: It was all of the above. When COVID hit, it 271 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 3: put the automotive market and a buying and from that 272 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 3: point forward, it put the economy in a buying which 273 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 3: put production in the cost of vehicles at an all 274 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 3: time high. And if you go back and look at 275 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 3: the history from twenty nineteen or so, I say, from 276 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 3: twenty twenty to twenty twenty four, there's roughly about a 277 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 3: thirty three percent increase in automobiles from that time. And 278 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 3: that's something that we haven't seen. It's been pretty steady 279 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 3: across the years. But then all of a sudden twenty twenty, 280 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three, twenty 281 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 3: twenty four. Through that time is a thirty three percent 282 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 3: increase in cost of the vehicles. 283 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: So how critical is the automobile industry to the American economy? 284 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: If you were going to put a percentage on it, 285 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: where where do we say, are we second or third 286 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: biggest expense. Is that Is that a safe Is that 287 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: a safe statement? 288 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 3: I would say that's about the second biggest expense. Think 289 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 3: about this. There's profinitely about seventy six billion cars that 290 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 3: were transported between Canada and Mexico. All right, seventy six 291 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 3: billion dollars worth of cars. That's just between Canada and Mexico, 292 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 3: not including here in the US. And then about one 293 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 3: hundred and two billion dollars in auto parts that was, 294 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 3: you know, ship between those two countries to the US. 295 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: So I would pretty much say that the automotive industry 296 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 3: overall is probably one of the most important sectors sectors 297 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 3: to the American economy. Wow, you know, And most definitely 298 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 3: it is the second most largest expense that most people 299 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 3: are going to have in our lives, second to their home. 300 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 2: Well, hey, listen real quick. In the last minute and 301 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: a half, roughly, I've got twenty grand in my pocket. 302 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: I want to come in and buy a used car. 303 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: Is that a good number to start with? 304 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 3: Twenty grand is pretty good number to start with. You're 305 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 3: probably looking at somewhere between a four to five year 306 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 3: old vehicle, and you can find them pretty good miles 307 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 3: under fifty thousand miles and you can also venture out 308 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 3: to add a mechanical plan to protect the vehicle as well, 309 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 3: so that you're not having to come out of pocket 310 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 3: unexpected expenses. 311 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: So I've got I've got a ten twelve year old car. 312 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: It needs six thousand dollars in repair, eight thousand dollars 313 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: in repair, and I've got the eight thousand dollars. Am 314 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 2: I better off buying that buying a used car for 315 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: twenty put the eight thousand down in finance? Twelve rough numbers? 316 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely, because nine times out of ten, if a car 317 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 3: is that old, it may not be worth the money 318 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 3: that you're going to be putting in it. 319 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 2: Right, and then there's always that parts issue. So and 320 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: that that kind of leads us back to where we 321 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 2: started this conversation. Absolutely so, Jerich. If the listeners want 322 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 2: more information, give us the website mawafford dot com. 323 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 3: Cool, tend us a email. We'll be happy and help you. 324 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 2: And if I want to come in and see you 325 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: in person, I know they'll see you. You're the guy 326 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: with the beard, yes, sir, yeah, all right, hey, listen, 327 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 2: say hi to everybody for me, and thanks for being 328 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 2: part of the show today. I'm ronning any and the 329 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: car doctor. We're back right after this. Auto repair is 330 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: always changing listeners and it's a constant battle in the 331 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 2: bays to keep up with just sometimes the equipment and 332 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: the procedures in the process. Air conditioning in the last 333 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: decade has gone through a renovation. You know, it used 334 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 2: to be one thirty four refrigerant and now we've moved 335 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 2: on to twelve thirty four YF and it's been out 336 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 2: there a little over a decade. And you know, I've 337 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: had some of my own trials and tribulations. You've heard 338 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: me talk about them here. And fortunately I have a 339 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: great relationship with the folks over at MALA Aftermarket, and 340 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: I've got my buddy Isaac Nilssen here with us. Today's 341 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 2: an engineer over there at MALA, and we're glad to 342 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 2: have him with us to talk about air conditioning in 343 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 2: twelve thirty four YF. Isaac, welcome back, sir. It's a pleasure. 344 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me Ron, you know, and. 345 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 2: Full disclosure, right, my machine needed an oxygen sensor and 346 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 2: I got to talking to Isaac about it and I 347 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: got a little bit of an education that twelve thirty 348 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 2: four YF machines all of them in the marketplace have 349 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: to have an oxygen sensor. And at first I reacted 350 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: to this like, no, wait, the car has the oxygen sensor, 351 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: not the machine. But yet it does talk about a 352 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 2: little bit about where how do we get here? 353 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 3: Isaac. 354 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 2: You know, we've got AC machines now with oxygen sensors 355 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: and the need and this is a whole big conversation 356 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: where do we start. 357 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 4: Well, really, it started with the wire introduction and the 358 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 4: desire to limit the amount of contamination and cross contamination 359 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 4: of refrigerants and to ensure that the quality of the 360 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 4: refrigerants that are out there meet the specs that the 361 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 4: OEMs are looking for. So Neutronics back in the day 362 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 4: that they created a refrigerant identification device that was basically 363 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 4: a lab grade piece of equipment that could be put 364 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 4: into shrunk down to a small enough size and put 365 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 4: into our machine. So it actually identifies the not only 366 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 4: the types of gas that's passing through the system, but 367 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 4: the percentages of that gas to ensure the composition is 368 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 4: actually the right composition that it expects for that machine. 369 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 2: So if someone were too and here's a scenario, if 370 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: someone were to try and charge their own air conditioning, 371 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: and it's a twelve thirty four YF car, and chances 372 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 2: are there's a lot of There's a lot of them 373 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 2: out there now right. We talked about this before air today. 374 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: YF has been out there since twenty thirteen, and you know, 375 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: if you're driving something newer or something between since twenty thirteen, 376 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 2: chances are you've got a YF car. You've got to 377 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 2: be kind of picky about what sort of refrigerant you 378 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 2: go out and buy. If you're going to buy one 379 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 2: of those single use charge kits, what's the quality of 380 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 2: those is? Does that become an issue, Isaac? Is it 381 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 2: Are there different grades of twelve thirty four YF or 382 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: is it all just the same stuff. 383 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 4: So the good news is that in the US we 384 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 4: have a pretty robust and quality supply chain for twelve 385 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 4: thirty four YF our counterparts. In Europe, though, we see 386 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 4: a lot of knockoff gases, stuff that's being cut with 387 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,719 Speaker 4: non pure twelve thirty four YF refrigerant, and they definitely 388 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 4: have a lot of problems over there because the rejection 389 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 4: of the refrigerant altogether to polymerization of their system, you know, 390 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 4: completely destroying machines over there because of the polymerization, but 391 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 4: luckily in the US we haven't seen that. However, there 392 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 4: is a lot of replacement gases that people can buy 393 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,959 Speaker 4: in a can in the store that aren't pure yf. 394 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 4: They might be a blend of maybe like a one 395 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 4: thirty four A or some sort of even I've seen propane. 396 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 4: And then also a lot of these have a lot 397 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 4: of extra dyes and oils in them, which is also 398 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 4: not great just because that can really come up systems 399 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 4: because there's oftentimes way more die or oil than what 400 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 4: the system really requires. 401 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: So it's not like the old days, you know, when 402 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 2: people were buying I'm going to use the word bogus 403 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: bogus won thirty four refrigerant. There was you know, there 404 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: was an identifier, but they were able to fool it chemically. 405 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 2: It wasn't as stringent. But now we've got an oxygen 406 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 2: sensor built into this lab grade refrigerant identifier right in 407 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 2: the machine, and it'll pick up on not so great 408 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: quality twelve thirty four refrigerant correct. 409 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 4: Correct. Yeah, And it is a very stringent check. It 410 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 4: has to be at least ninety eight percent pure BIF 411 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 4: so that means only two percent of the refrigerant that's 412 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 4: passing through the identifier can be air or something else 413 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 4: other than yoff. 414 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: So for my shop owners out there, my technicians that 415 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 2: are listening to the show today, they've got a twelve 416 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 2: thirty four YF unit, you know, and and all machines 417 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 2: have it right. It doesn't matter what brand. They've all 418 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: got an oxygen sensor on there. They've all got some 419 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 2: sort of a refrigerant identifier built in. Can you give 420 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 2: them some tips? 421 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 3: You know? 422 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 2: How do they how do they prevent the problems with 423 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 2: that refrigeran ID unit? What are some good practices to 424 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: get in the habit of. 425 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, So, the biggest thing is to every for ever 426 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 4: use is to check the filter for that refrigerant identifier. 427 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 4: In most machines, that's visible on the outside of the machine. 428 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 4: Sometimes it's on the front control panel. On our machines, 429 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 4: it's actually on the backside by the power switch. So 430 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 4: by far, the number one thing to do is check 431 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 4: to make sure that that filter is clean. If you 432 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 4: see any contaminants, there's a slight discoloration. If it gets 433 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 4: enough oil, it starts turning like a pink color. So 434 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 4: the first thing you need to do is to replace 435 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 4: that filter. But chances are if there's something reaching that filter, 436 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 4: there's also contaminants already in the lines going from the 437 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 4: like the manifold block to the refriger identifier. So you 438 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 4: should open up that machine and also double check the 439 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 4: lines going to that refrigerant and identifier. A lot of 440 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 4: times it's a clear plastic line, you'll be able to 441 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 4: see the contaminants away, and you should remove that along 442 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 4: with the restrictor fitting and clean that with isopropyle alcohol. 443 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 4: Make sure that that's fully cleaned of any disorder debris, 444 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 4: and obviously make sure it fully evaporates before reinstalling and 445 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 4: attempting to use your machine. 446 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: So you know, if I do this examination and I 447 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 2: see contaminants in the filter or other debris, you know, 448 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: odd least I'm going to replace the filter. Is there 449 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: something else I can do to prevent damage to the 450 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: machine and allow me to continue moving forward to work 451 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 2: on the car. 452 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 4: I mean, the other best practice would be to run 453 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 4: a hose flush on the machine, maybe like once a week, 454 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 4: just because there's debris that can build up inside the 455 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 4: low sideline. So at least of how our machines work 456 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 4: is that we always perform a refriger identification on the 457 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 4: low side unless someone selects a high side only service 458 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 4: for whatever reason, and then we normally charged only on 459 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 4: the high side hose. That means that typically there is 460 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,959 Speaker 4: not refrigerant flushing that low side line out. So if 461 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 4: you collect quite a few vehicles that is especially have 462 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 4: recovered a lot of oil during that recovery, that can 463 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 4: build up and it can slowly migrate its way through 464 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 4: that restrictor fitting. So if you want to perform a 465 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 4: host flush every week, that's also a best practice to 466 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 4: try to keep that system clean. 467 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm a genius Isaac, and I don't want to 468 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 2: check the filter because I know better, and you know, 469 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: I've kind of just taken that perspective. So all of 470 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 2: a sudden, oil dye and you know, other stuff just 471 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: gets past the filter. I overload the filter and it 472 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 2: doesn't It doesn't do its job. It can't do its job. 473 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 2: What's going to happen to the machine? Is it going 474 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 2: to break. 475 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 3: Well? 476 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 4: It will stop functioning altogether. For the fact that the 477 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 4: sensors will get gummed up. There are three sensors that 478 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 4: are critical to the identifiers FUNK inside that unit. One 479 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 4: of them we talked about was the oxygen sensors. So 480 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 4: if that gets gummed up and it can no longer 481 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 4: detect the presence of oxygen it's getting blocked by some 482 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 4: oil or something else like that, that'll fail it from 483 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 4: performing identification. There are some pressure sensors in there, and 484 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 4: if it can't detect enough pressure, it will again fail 485 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 4: the test because it needs to see a certain amount 486 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 4: of flow of refrigerant. And then the most critical for 487 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 4: the identification is the infrared sensors. And if there's oil 488 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,479 Speaker 4: that are blocking lenses or d die that are blocking 489 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 4: the lenses where it can't read the gas, then again, 490 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 4: of course it's not going to see that it's ninety 491 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 4: eight percent pier yf or better, and it's going to fail. 492 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 4: So you're not gonna be able to do any recoveries 493 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 4: nor doing any bottle fills on that machine until that's replaced. Really, 494 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 4: I mean, you pretty much have to send that unit 495 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 4: off to get referred or you've got to buy a 496 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 4: new one, which, yeah, four hundred to one thousand dollars 497 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 4: out there on the market, right. 498 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: Right, Hey, Isaac, let's pull over. When we come back. 499 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 2: I want to talk a little bit about you know, 500 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 2: I want to go a little bit deeper into oxygen 501 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 2: sensors and refriger and identifiers, and they seem to be 502 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 2: a common and it's the industry does talk about it 503 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 2: a lot, and maybe we can talk about, you know, 504 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 2: how it works basically, and then what some of these 505 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 2: guys can do as a best practice. Maybe we can 506 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 2: save them some money in the long run. So sit tight. 507 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: I'm ronnin Any in the Car Doctor. I'm here with 508 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 2: Isaac Nilsen of Mala Aftermarket. We'll both be back right 509 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: after this. Don't go away, Okay, the pressure's on. We're 510 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 2: back running any of the Car Doctor at your service. 511 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 2: Here with Isaac Nielsen Mala Aftermarket. We're talking air conditioning machines. Isaac, 512 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 2: We've got a little over four and a half minutes 513 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: to do this, so I want to get this segment 514 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 2: in for the listeners and the texts out there. Oxygen sensors, 515 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: oxygen sensors for refriger and identifiers. It seems like the 516 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: industry is talking about. Boy, they sure need to be 517 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 2: replaced more than any other part of the machine. Why 518 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: is that? Can you give us an O two censor? 519 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 2: You know, lesson real quick. 520 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, sure. The oxygen sensor that's used in these machines 521 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 4: actually have a finite life to them. There's actually they're 522 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 4: very similar to a lithium battery in the fact that 523 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 4: there is a cathode, anode, and electrolyte in there, and 524 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 4: it's actually a consumable or a sacrificial material that's inside 525 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 4: of these sensors that actually react with oxygen to provide 526 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 4: a small voltage like in the millivolt range, but they 527 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 4: provide an output at all times. So once these units 528 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 4: are assembled from the oxygen sensor manufacturer, time starts ticking 529 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 4: on its life. So the more oxygen it sees, the 530 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 4: quicker give up the ghosts, so they speak in its life. 531 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 2: So I can't, you know, if I want to try 532 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 2: and extend the life of it, I can't just vacuum 533 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 2: CELO two sensor in a plastic baggie if I'm not 534 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: using the machine. That doesn't work. 535 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 4: No, not in a complete vacuum. So what these two 536 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 4: sensor manufacturers will do is that they'll do either a 537 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 4: very partial vacuum a very light vacuum. Not without the 538 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,479 Speaker 4: absence of oxygen. There's still some calibrated amount of oxygen 539 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 4: still in there, or they apply a special red tape 540 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 4: over the end of them that allowed just the right 541 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 4: amount of oxygen to pass through the tape into the sensor, 542 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 4: because a complete lack of oxygen from this sensor in 543 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 4: a matter of a couple hours could severely degrade its life. 544 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 4: And then even with a couple of days of complete 545 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 4: lack of oxygen will actually kill the sensor and it 546 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 4: won't recover it at all. 547 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: Right now, the good news is a lot of machine manufacturers, 548 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 2: I know, Mala does it right, You'll tell us when 549 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 2: the two sensor's life is coming to an. 550 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 4: End, correct, Yeah, yeah, all identifiers should be monitoring the 551 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 4: voltage output of that sensor and they'll have a threshold 552 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 4: should be telling you and expiring soon time frame in 553 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 4: which you know you should go buy a new sensor 554 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 4: and replace it. You know. The caveat being is that 555 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 4: sometimes that I'm between expiring soon and it fully expired. 556 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 4: It could be in that month or two that you 557 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 4: set the machine aside in the winter time, and you 558 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 4: might miss the whole expiring soon. 559 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 2: Right portion, right, Yeah, So my last question then is, 560 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 2: you know, it seems like they're going to last anywhere 561 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 2: from two years to seven years, depending on how it's 562 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 2: used in the environment. Do you buy a FRESHOW two sensor, 563 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: you know, leave it in the box and just let 564 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: it sit on the shelf, or you wait until you're 565 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 2: fifty percent used and then go and do that. 566 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 4: You pretty much want to wait there are a couple 567 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 4: of years in and then maybe just preemptively just swap 568 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 4: out the sensor, or wait till it tells you that 569 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 4: it's expired. If you can get a hold of a 570 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 4: sensor quickly, you know, that's that would be your your 571 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 4: cheapest route. But buying the sensor, like I say, as 572 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 4: soon as it's manufactured, if you have it on the 573 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 4: on the shelf, it's it's burning through its life. So uh, 574 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 4: And that's what we're seeing out in the field right now, 575 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 4: is that people are buying oxygen sensors either through a 576 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 4: local parts store or through or online, and they get 577 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 4: them and they might only be good for a couple 578 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 4: of months because it's been a distribution for a year 579 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 4: or two already. 580 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 2: Right, So, so you want to buy a fresh one. 581 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 2: It's kind of like a steak. You want you want 582 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 2: a fresh steak. You want a fresh oxygen sensor correct, 583 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 2: no indigestion on either part. So Isaac, always informative brother. 584 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 2: Where can we go get more information? Send the listeners 585 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 2: in the text there, because I'm sure they're going to 586 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 2: have questions and want to learn more about all this. 587 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 2: What's the website from Malaya. 588 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 4: All of our products are available on Service Solutions dot 589 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 4: mala dot com. 590 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 2: Cool beans as always, sir, a great pleasure. You have 591 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 2: a great rest of the weekend, and we'll talk again 592 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: real soon. All right, all right, thanks, Ron, You're welcome. 593 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 2: I'm running any in the car. Doctor I'm back right 594 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 2: after this. Let me start by saying thank you to 595 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 2: both of our guests this hour. Cherokee Heart of malwah Ford. 596 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 2: We appreciate his candor and explanation of the process of 597 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 2: buying a new vehicle. What's hot, what's not? Some of 598 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 2: the least comments. We're very eye opening, shall we say, 599 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 2: and just a good time. It's just it's fun. Right 600 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 2: we can we go out and buy a new car. 601 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: Sometimes you need to know, you need that little bit 602 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 2: of extra information before you wander into the doors of 603 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 2: a dealership of your choice. And then let's talk about 604 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 2: our conversation with Isaac Nielsen of Mala. The idea that 605 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 2: you need an oxygen sensor for an air conditioning machine 606 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 2: is just crazy when you consider now that the machines 607 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 2: have gotten so complicated. They have the same parts that 608 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 2: the cars have, which is kind of what generated that 609 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 2: conversation with him in the first place. And I think 610 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 2: that there's a lot of repair shop owners out there 611 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 2: that own one of these machines, and hopefully they paid 612 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 2: attention during the sales process because they're going to find 613 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 2: out and it's very difficul called time. All of a sudden, 614 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 2: you need to count on that twelve thirty four YFAC 615 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 2: machine because all the brands have them, and you'll find 616 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 2: that you're in lockout because the O two sensor has 617 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 2: failed or is close to failing, or perhaps you need 618 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 2: a refrigerant filter. We didn't even talk about that when 619 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 2: they recover refrigerants. So I think it's a good idea, 620 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 2: maybe after six months of use, to put both of 621 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 2: those on the shelf somewhere as inventory, because it's parts 622 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: that you are going to use and as long as 623 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 2: you don't open up the O two the two sensor, 624 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,959 Speaker 2: you should be fine. So just things to look forward to. 625 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 2: Boy it's always changing being in a repair shop. It 626 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 2: always is, it always will be, and I'll always be 627 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 2: here to help guide you along because that's what I do. 628 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: I'm ron An Eeny and the car Doctor, and I'm 629 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 2: reminding you the mechanics aren't expensive, They're priceless. 630 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 3: See you