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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Rashan MacDonald hosts the weekly Money Making Conversation Masterclass show.

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Speaker 2: The interviews and information that this show provides off for everyone.

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Speaker 2: It's time to stop reading other people's success stories and

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Speaker 1: Now, let's get this show started.

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Speaker 2: My guest is a certified leadership and wellbeing coach, author

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Speaker 2: and founder of The Everyday Yellow Sanctuary, a vibrant community

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Speaker 2: dedicated to helping trailblazing women of color reclaim their joy,

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Speaker 2: embrace themselves, and make time for what matters most. Her

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Speaker 2: coaching creates work life harmony, enables you to reconnect to

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Speaker 2: your purpose and leave with your greater clarity, confidence and joy.

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Speaker 2: Please work with the Money Making Conversation Master Charise M.

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Speaker 1: Williams. How you doing, Cherise?

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Speaker 3: I am doing great and so honored to be here.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having.

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Speaker 2: Me well, Mss Williams, you were hanging on every word

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Speaker 2: I was saying. You was making sure I got all

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Speaker 2: the right adjective, the descriptions, you.

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Speaker 1: Making sure you ain't got that right. Okay, Okay, he

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Speaker 1: got that right.

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Speaker 2: Because it's a sense a purpose that you have when

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Speaker 2: you say leave with greater clarity, confidence, enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about this, Cheres. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, over the past several years, I have coached and

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Speaker 4: trained hundreds of leaders, mostly women, and they are accomplished,

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Speaker 4: they are working hard, they are doing great things in

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Speaker 4: the world, and most of them express burnout and overwhelm

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Speaker 4: and they know what they don't want, but they are

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Speaker 4: not sure what they do want. So I help them

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Speaker 4: get clear on what they want their life to look

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Speaker 4: and feel like and take actions every.

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Speaker 3: Day to make those visions of reality.

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Speaker 2: So let's give some background on you to be in

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Speaker 2: this leadership role, in this motivational role, this uplifting role.

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Speaker 1: How did it all start for you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So, I'm a lawyer by training and spent my career

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Speaker 4: since graduating from law school working in the nonprofit sector.

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Speaker 3: So I've done work in philanthropy and at.

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Speaker 4: Social justice institutions, working on education, equity.

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Speaker 3: And juvenile and criminal justice. Reform.

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Speaker 4: When I got my first nonprofit executive director role in

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Speaker 4: two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 3: I was hobbling along.

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Speaker 4: You know, you get into these roles because you're passionate

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Speaker 4: about the mission, but there's often a big learning curve

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Speaker 4: in terms of learning how to manage.

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Speaker 3: The budget and the board and leadership.

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Speaker 4: And it wasn't until I was in my second nonprofit

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Speaker 4: leadership role that one of my donors said, ma'am, you

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Speaker 4: need a.

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Speaker 1: Coach, and we're going to pay for it, okay.

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Speaker 4: And that coach was transformative for me, and it planned

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Speaker 4: to seed that maybe I would like to use the

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Speaker 4: next stage of my career to be the guide that

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Speaker 4: I wish I had when I started off in that

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Speaker 4: C suite nonprofit leadership.

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Speaker 2: Now you say your organization every day, Yellow Sanctuary.

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Speaker 1: Explain that name to me.

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Speaker 3: Yes. So when I'm coaching people to create and live.

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Speaker 4: The lives of their dreams, I show my calendar and

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Speaker 4: how I color coded. So a few years ago, I

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Speaker 4: was leading my workshop present how to plan and show

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Speaker 4: up for what matters most, and I showed my calendar

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Speaker 4: and I said, the color coding allows me to see

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Speaker 4: how I'm spending my time and energy across these different areas.

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Speaker 4: Purple is from my health, green is when I'm making money,

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Speaker 4: and the color yellow is what I'm doing fun and

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Speaker 4: social things and joyful things. Right. And I said to

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Speaker 4: the group, every day there has to be yellow. And

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Speaker 4: there was a branding person in the workshop and she said,

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Speaker 4: that is a brand. So I branded every Day Yellow.

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Speaker 4: I file the trademark because we got to get that ip.

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Speaker 4: It means that it's possible to find a moment, even

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Speaker 4: a moment of joy in every single day.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I'm speaking of Cheries M Williams. He's based in Atlanta, Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Your services are available nationwide.

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Speaker 1: Correct, that is correct? Okay.

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Speaker 2: She's a certified leadership and well being coach, author and

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Speaker 2: founder of as we just mentioned, every Day Yellow Sanctuary,

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Speaker 2: which is a vibrant community dedicated to helping trailblazing women

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Speaker 2: of color. Now, I stop a color because we're in

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Speaker 2: So I don't know how you can say that people

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Speaker 2: skin when you say that women of color. Why are

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for that important question.

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Speaker 4: So I will start by saying, when I started my business,

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Speaker 4: I did not identify a gender or.

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Speaker 4: Who mostly came to me for the one on one

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Speaker 4: second part is I started this everyday Yellow Sanctuary just

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Speaker 4: coaching work okay, and I realized something really powerful happens

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Speaker 4: when women come together as a group to learn.

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Speaker 3: And grow and heal. And honestly, you know, you can

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Speaker 3: see it everywhere where you look.

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Speaker 4: In the new on social media, women of color are exhausted,

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Speaker 4: a safe space to have those conversations free of some

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Speaker 4: of the scrutiny and microaggressions that can often take place

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Speaker 3: She needs a safe space she reachs.

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Speaker 2: I've been doing this shows in twenty seventeen, so I

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Speaker 2: probably interviewed over a thousand people. I can guarantee you

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Speaker 2: the people I've interviewed it, which is a good thing,

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Speaker 2: and I hope you one of my repeats, Miss Williams. Yes,

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Speaker 2: But coaching, that's a word, you know, like branding and

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Speaker 2: like mentorship. These words have become really really hot button words.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of coaches out there, but still

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Speaker 2: many people don't understand the feeld.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, lots of coaches out there these days. I took

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Speaker 4: to understand the discipline, the practice, and the ethics around it.

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Speaker 4: So I define coaching as a partnership between a coach

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Speaker 4: and client to help a client achieve specific goals. Coaching

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Speaker 4: happens through a series of questions, and the overarching question

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Speaker 4: framework is where are you now?

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Speaker 3: Where do you want to be?

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Speaker 4: What's getting in the way, and my job is to

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Speaker 4: My brand of coaching is about drawing wisdom out of

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Speaker 4: a client, So I'm not here to tell them what

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Speaker 2: What that bean said, how does it help others creates

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Speaker 2: success on their own terms? Like you said, somebody told

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Speaker 2: you you needed a coach, and so how does someone

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Speaker 2: walking through life understand nobody's pointing them out, Hey, you

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Speaker 1: How do they get there?

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Speaker 2: In other words, to make that shift, they need to

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Speaker 2: contact Cheris and Williams and be involved in your sanctuary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a great question.

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Speaker 4: The field of coaching, this kind of leadership coaching, talking

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Speaker 4: to people help them achieve their goals, is really new.

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Speaker 3: It's only a forty year old field.

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Speaker 4: Most of the people that I have coached, the one

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Speaker 4: on one I was their first coach. So in terms

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Speaker 4: of joining my community, the everyday Yellow Sanctuary, it's for

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Speaker 4: the woman who's saying, I have achieved a certain level

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Speaker 3: I want more joy, more ease, more rest.

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Speaker 4: And so she's going to start googling right coaching, transformation, communities,

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Speaker 4: women of color. Probably she may put in Atlanta, and

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Speaker 4: she's going to discover that there's a community of women

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Speaker 2: Now let's go back in the conversation. I've heard she

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Speaker 2: reached you lawyer legally qualified to be a lawyer, and

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Speaker 2: then you got an entrepreneurship than nonprofit And what is

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Speaker 2: then it's a nonprofit space. Now you I have to

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Speaker 2: see you're an entrepreneur now, which means you work on

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Speaker 4: I love this question so much For Sean, I've been

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Speaker 4: running this business since twenty twenty, and sometimes I'm still

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Speaker 3: All this work.

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Speaker 4: I am motivated by the transformation that I help women

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Speaker 4: my gosh, I have so much more freedom now I

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Speaker 4: am taking those vacations. Do you know that only fifty

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Speaker 4: one percent of Americans take all of their PTO their

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Speaker 4: when I see a woman go from gosh, I should

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Speaker 4: take more vacations to charies. I just got back from

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Speaker 4: thank you for showing me that it's possible. Thank you

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Speaker 4: that I wake up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, self, dilcible, be focused for learn your own path

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Speaker 2: to happiness. I see where you're going with this sanctuary now, online.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned a key year twenty twenty, and I consider

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Speaker 2: that a coming out party for the black community to

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Speaker 2: admit that we have mental and social issues that need

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Speaker 2: to be alive with somebody in some form of therapy.

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Speaker 1: Talk about that.

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Speaker 2: I want to say coming out party because we should

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Speaker 2: have acknowledged this need way before that, because as people

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Speaker 2: of color, we are constantly under stressed. We're constantly being challenged,

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Speaker 2: you know, just in just in everyday life and not

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Speaker 2: only just at your job, will you shop? Will you

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Speaker 2: driving your car? Going through life? And now people look

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Speaker 2: But what is the bigger factor in that admission when

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Speaker 2: you talk about mental health? That's what we're talking about

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Speaker 2: right now, and building your brand, which is the everyday

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Speaker 2: Yellow Sanctuary.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty twenty was a really huge year that shifted

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Speaker 2: with me Rashaun McDonald. We know really interesting when I'm

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Speaker 1: Okay, cool, that was about you, Sari.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to start with something that is simple

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Speaker 4: You don't have to buy my book, you don't have

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Speaker 3: Now, this is where a lot of people get stuck.

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Speaker 4: But if you get it on paper what's not working

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Speaker 2: Now, how do we join your online community?

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Speaker 4: Go to www dot Scheriseandwilliams dot com slash community learn

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Speaker 2: Now that application, I have a be a guest form

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Speaker 1: When they go to serism Williams dot Com.

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Speaker 4: I'm so glad you asked, because we want to curate

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Speaker 4: Technically, yeah, you can find the joy of thriving while

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Speaker 2: Her brand, I'm talking to Scheres and Williams her brand

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Speaker 2: You did what you're supposed to do. You trademarked it.

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Speaker 2: You have controller at IP. You're on the show to

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Speaker 2: Burnout, burnout, burnout. I'm confessed on this show that I've

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Speaker 2: You can't run. When I was growing up, you leave

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Speaker 4: I want to come back to my target audience what

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Speaker 3: Okay, technology is a factor.

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Speaker 4: Our work culture is a factor, and we are told

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Speaker 4: by people who care about us and want us to

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Speaker 4: be successful, you have to be twice as good.

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Speaker 3: You have to work twice as hard. You have to

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Speaker 3: show up early and you have to stay late.

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Speaker 4: Many of us did that to achieve great things, and

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Speaker 4: we have mistaken high performance, which means I want to

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Speaker 4: show up and do a good job with over performance.

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Speaker 4: Over performance is I am trying to outrun unworthiness. I

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Speaker 4: can never be good enough, so I'm going to work

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Speaker 4: and work and work. And that is really the crux

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Speaker 4: of the problem. Again, good intentions to make us hard workers,

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Speaker 4: but we're now seeing that there are some other possibilities

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Speaker 4: that we need to do some unlearning.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've heard just a lot growing up as

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Speaker 2: twice as hard.

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Speaker 1: You gotta be on time, you gotta work get it,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: And I take I challenge that because in life is

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Speaker 2: about competition. I think it doesn't matter Michael George's black

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Speaker 2: or white, or Cobra brownt with black and white. They

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Speaker 2: work twice as hard because they wanted to be great.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't based on the color of their skin. It's

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Speaker 2: based on the matter of effort they want to be

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Speaker 2: to be successful. There are a lot of people who

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Speaker 2: match their jeans, match their leaping ability, maybe match their shooting,

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Speaker 2: but they did they match their effort. And so when

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Speaker 2: we come into the general workplace, we tend to I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying color doesn't play an issue, because I know

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Speaker 2: it does, but I'm just saying we need to shift

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Speaker 2: that dynamic and say that is how you compete. If

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Speaker 2: you want to be in front of the line or

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Speaker 2: near the top of the line, you're going to have

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Speaker 2: to show up early, You're going to have to work late,

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Speaker 2: You're going to have to work twice as hard as

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Speaker 2: your competition, because guess what, you're trying to beat your competition,

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Speaker 2: whether it's black or white. And so when I look

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Speaker 2: at that question and it's not saying I'm directing to you.

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Speaker 2: I'm just, for the first time really hearing it, and

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Speaker 2: I'm going usha your whole that's been your whole life,

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Speaker 2: working twice as hard. And it had nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with my color. It had the fact that I wanted

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Speaker 2: to beat that dude. I wanted to be the best

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Speaker 2: I could be. I wanted to make the best presentation.

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Speaker 2: I get up every day at four thirty am. Nobody's

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Speaker 2: making me get up. I'm not getting up at four

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Speaker 2: thirty am Monday through Friday because of the color of

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Speaker 2: my skin. I'm getting up because I'm trying to win,

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Speaker 2: and this is my plan of winning. When I say that,

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Speaker 2: it does it ring any bail to you? Gonna rashan.

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Speaker 1: I'm a push back on you, you know, on you there,

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Speaker 1: but I feel you.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a fine line.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's what I was trying to indicate with

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Speaker 4: the difference between.

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Speaker 3: Performance and over performance.

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Speaker 4: Over performance is driven by this sense that it will

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Speaker 4: never be enough. I talk about burnout to lots of

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Speaker 4: different audiences. I was doing a talk on it to

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Speaker 4: a law firm and people were like, if I take

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Speaker 4: that day off, I'm gonna miss I'm not gonna get

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Speaker 4: that good assignment.

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Speaker 3: But the other side is if you never take a

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Speaker 3: day off and you're burnt out, you're not gonna get

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Speaker 3: the good assignment.

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Speaker 4: And if you do, you may not do well at

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Speaker 4: it because you're so exhausted.

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Speaker 3: So everyone has to figure it out for themselves.

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Speaker 4: What is good enough to be competitive, which is important

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Speaker 4: to some people, but what is too much that then

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Speaker 4: you're sick and unwell and having autoimmune issues and insomnia.

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Speaker 3: And all the other things that can come with burnout.

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Speaker 1: Did you really push back at me? I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I think you kind of like slid by me. I

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Speaker 1: don't think you've read it.

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Speaker 2: I I'm just gonna let you know that wasn't a

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Speaker 2: hard pushback.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even I didn't even like move. I kind

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Speaker 1: of like, okay, you could have breathed by me.

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Speaker 2: But we're on the same page because the bottom line

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Speaker 2: is that hard work does lead to some traumatic issues

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Speaker 2: if you don't know how to balance it. And that's

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Speaker 2: what this conversation is sometimes. But what I also want

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Speaker 2: to tell my listeners and also anybody who I interview,

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Speaker 2: is I try to have an honest conversation about my perception.

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Speaker 2: So if it differs from yours, it's not a conflict.

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Speaker 2: We're having a conversation.

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Speaker 3: And I have one more thing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, cool, I'm with you. I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: Some folks, even when they're having a good time on vacation,

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Speaker 4: resting and with their loved ones, feel guilty about it.

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Speaker 3: This is what we're talking about.

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Speaker 4: Being wherever you are, doing your best and being able

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Speaker 4: to enjoy your life and your time and feel like

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Speaker 4: a worthy human being when you're not working.

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Speaker 3: Really, really, really hard. And that's a well rounded, meaningful life.

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Speaker 3: People don't.

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Speaker 4: People aren't on their deathbed saying I wish I had

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Speaker 4: worked more hours every day.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I know it is not me. I work enough hours.

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Speaker 2: Charis ain't closing, And I want to talk about your

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Speaker 2: dreaming color vision and framework and give me some detail

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Speaker 2: on that. We've talked about your book, we talked about

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Speaker 2: your online community. So let's give a give me a

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Speaker 2: good chance of what dreaming color visioning framework is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that goes back to something I touched on before.

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Speaker 4: Most folks have an easier time articulating what is wrong

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Speaker 4: in their lives or complaining, and we can get stuck there.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't move us forward.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Michael Beckwith has this beautiful quote that I love,

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Speaker 4: and it says pain pushes until the vision pulls.

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Speaker 3: So we want to get clear on what does a.

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Speaker 4: Rich and meaningful life look like in every area that

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Speaker 4: relates to well being. So is it career yes, is

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Speaker 4: it money yes, but also relationships, self care, fun, joy, spirituality,

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Speaker 4: our physical environment. So the dream and Color framework gets

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Speaker 4: people to articulate what a good life looks like in

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Speaker 4: all of those categories. Weave it together into a vision statement,

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Speaker 4: and then the work from then on out is to

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Speaker 4: plan your days, your hours, your weeks, your months so

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Speaker 4: that you are taking intentional action toward making your vision

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Speaker 4: a reality.

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Speaker 1: Her reality is every day yellow.

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Speaker 2: It's the same to worry for women of color to

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Speaker 2: get the reclaim there, their joy, their hope, their life framework.

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Speaker 2: But more importantly, she has an online community that's growing

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Speaker 2: series and way if you want to find out about

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Speaker 2: it and submit your information be part of this.

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Speaker 1: Thriving or use the word thriving community.

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Speaker 2: But more importantly, thank you for coming on Money Making

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Speaker 2: Conversations Masterclass.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: This has been Money Making Conversations Masterclass with me Rashaun McDonald.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to our guests and our audience.

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