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Speaker 2: Good evening, Steeler Nation, how we do it? Well, that's

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Speaker 2: good us too. Our number two here of the drive,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna hear from Ben Roethlisberger, his thoughts on the

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Speaker 2: Steelers offseason, the Mike McCarthy higher, the search for the

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Speaker 2: quarterback of the future. We are also going to talk

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Speaker 2: about the senior ball and some NFL draft stuff here,

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Speaker 2: as Matt and I like to do and are really

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Speaker 2: starting to warm up to. But since it was kind

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Speaker 2: of at the end of last segment there at the

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Speaker 2: bottom of the hour.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: According to Jerry Dulac, Steelers are close to finalizing Patrick

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Speaker 2: Graham as defensive coordinator under Mike McCarthy. Forty seven years old,

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Speaker 2: past three seasons with the Raiders. He's also been the

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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator of the Dolphins and Theis in the past.

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Speaker 2: So despite being forty seven, has some real lengthy experience

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Speaker 2: as a defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 4: Already entire coaching history. They get it for you. Second,

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Speaker 4: so what he's known for is two things that stand

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Speaker 4: out to me is getting more out of his talent

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Speaker 4: than what he's been given. That's absolutely true. Last year,

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Speaker 4: I just found some stuff at the break. You know,

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three with the Raiders was definitely the best

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Speaker 4: roster he had, which was still way below average. Was

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Speaker 4: much else, And they were basically like eleventh or twelfth

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Speaker 4: in all categories. You know which you would take with

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Speaker 4: the twenty fifth best roster, where last year I thought

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Speaker 4: he might have had the thirty second in terms of

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Speaker 4: defensive talent, Crosby and nobody. So I think you love that,

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Speaker 4: And a lot of these conversations I hesitate because, like

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Speaker 4: I don't mean to kick the old staff in their

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Speaker 4: the most expensive defense in the league last year. You

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Speaker 4: could argue that they got less than the talent out

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Speaker 4: of those players, where this guy has traditionally gotten more

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Speaker 4: enticing to me. One one other thing is I guess

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Speaker 4: he's done a bunch of interviews and when you dig

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Speaker 4: into the guy, he's very not set in his ways,

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Speaker 4: like he's proud of We talked about Schwartz Schwartz is

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Speaker 4: gonna run. You can give this guy whatever paint you want, okay,

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Speaker 4: and I'm gonna put pieces together. I've learned a lot

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Speaker 4: in my journey. He's real proud of that in terms

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Speaker 4: of I took a little piece from this. I took

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Speaker 2: He can open the fridge, see what ingredients, and.

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Speaker 4: I'll make you something. You know, I'll make you something like, Man,

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Speaker 4: this bread's oldie.

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Speaker 2: He's not gonna yell about to go to John Egle

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Speaker 4: Go to the best shops out there too, either. Why

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Speaker 4: how do you bring it up? I think he was

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Speaker 4: on Belichick staff for five years.

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Speaker 2: So he played college football at Yale, wickeds Wicked Smatt.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess that's more of a Harvard thing,

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Speaker 2: Then coached in college for a while where he got

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure there's a guy I'd rather have him

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Speaker 2: From the Belichick because you just said Belichick Belichick. I

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Speaker 4: It'd be a first ballot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like just just just spare me. But different conversation

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Speaker 2: Switch sides like Ben McAdoo just did that one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and basically like, let's bring the enemy into the

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Speaker 4: you know, how would he how would he ripples in

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Speaker 2: I told you what I was, what I what I

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Speaker 2: when they hired one Castill for He's a perfect example

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Speaker 2: the Raiders defensive coordinator since twenty twenty two. He is

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Speaker 2: a Super Bowl champion, won Super Bowl twenty or Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: I had to win something with Brady.

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Speaker 2: Whatever number this is in Roman numerals that I don't

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Speaker 4: Malcolm Butler Seahawks Patriots, Seahawks Patriots, just like we're about

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Speaker 4: to see run it back a decade later.

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Speaker 2: So he has been a part of a super Bowl

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Speaker 4: I'm perfectly fine with it. The more and more homework.

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Speaker 4: I just happened to homework on him this morning, not

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Speaker 4: But apparently that's not I mean, the Steelers haven't announced it,

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Speaker 2: He's not the only one now on Twitter that's reporting

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Speaker 2: that too. Also being reported that Mike McCarthy is expected

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Speaker 2: to bring back three members of Mike Tomlin's staff. Linebackers

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Speaker 4: And even the year that McCarthy took off between Green

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Speaker 2: You just got connections to everybody because.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha interesting? Uh So, Scott McCarthy, who's obviously got a big,

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Speaker 4: And Arthur had a good reputation yes here too, Yes.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I don't know if he has connections or not.

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Speaker 4: To be honest, I don't know much about Alexander.

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Speaker 2: So and again, this is all stuff that's kind of

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Speaker 2: That's what it sounds like according to the reports.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's still an opening at offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's that's again, that's what it sounds like here

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Speaker 2: trying to see if they're if I can find obvious

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Speaker 4: Now I'm kind of really focused on an O line

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Speaker 2: What's the Eagles guy's name? Uh? Because his players say

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Speaker 2: That's when they do the introductions, they say Stotland University.

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Speaker 4: Like Kelsey was not a high pick, was a seventh round.

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Speaker 2: Lane Johnson is the only one that was really like a.

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Speaker 4: Right right and he might be the right best right

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Speaker 2: He might be, but you know what speaking of these Bill, okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was also suspended twice for performance dancing drugs

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Speaker 2: they hold the Spygate stuff against Belichick. Right, I just

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Speaker 2: the inconsistencies in that drive me crazy. I know, drive

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Speaker 4: And there are some mode line people I really respect that.

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Speaker 4: If you bring up Lane Johnson as, oh, he's the

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Speaker 4: best right tackling, He's like, yeah, but he he got busted.

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Speaker 2: I I told you this before. Like Motes would always

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Speaker 2: He's like, how these guys can appeal stuff like that

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Speaker 2: because that happened to it's against Lane Johnson actually steal

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Speaker 2: I remember this is great. Like Lane was suspended for

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Speaker 2: the next three games Motes Motes played against and Motes

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Speaker 2: contract negotiations that off season, Like, yeah, that tape is

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Speaker 2: being used, but this guy's getting suspended three weeks later

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Speaker 2: for Peds. I should be going against the backup right

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Speaker 2: all those type of things. But again, those are all

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Speaker 2: those are all different conversations for a different day. But

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Speaker 2: but certainly you're right, the offensive line coaches is one

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I haven't heard any name.

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Speaker 2: I haven't haven't seen or heard any but obviously as

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 4: And get in. Yeah, but let's go through the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: At least, let's talk about the quarterbacks. And you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's keep expanding that too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that pays very little.

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Speaker 2: Carnel Tait, the talented wide receiver could be a top

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Speaker 2: We're wire wirey, gangly, weirdly, incredible body control, Tony Hawks.

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Speaker 4: He may have even joined us one year at the Combine.

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Speaker 4: I have to scoop him up this year.

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Speaker 4: I believe correct, Yeah, we're doing this next statement.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to do this next time?

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Speaker 4: I don't care you're driving the ship listen.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm losing all sense of I'm losing all sense

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Speaker 2: I said South Kota State, North Dakota State. I don't

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Speaker 4: No, this is Mason McCormick school.

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Speaker 2: Pro they do they do. We'll talk more senior ball

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Speaker 2: All right, Matt Williamson, you caught me on my toes.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I like to think that.

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Speaker 2: Listen, there is very, very maybe only one or two

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Speaker 2: One of those would be college football. Right as we

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Speaker 2: Well, you told me that there was a quarterback you

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Speaker 2: if they end up not going that right, even if

437
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 2: they don't draft the quarterback, I still want more.

438
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 4: You should draft the quarterback every year.

439
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 2: You talk about that quarterback every year, offensive lineman every year,

440
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 2: or at least every other.

441
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 4: Year close to it yet three out of four, you know.

442
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 2: And maybe a year like this where there's the clear

443
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 2: cut number one guy and then a vast gap, maybe

444
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 2: this is the type of year that you do take

445
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 2: a flyer on one of these guys.

446
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:38,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

447
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we've talked about the Luke Altmeyers out of Illinois,

448
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 2: Taylor Green out of Arkansas.

449
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 4: Swer looked better than I expected to.

450
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 2: He's an interesting one.

451
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 4: He looked thought he was gonna be a lifetime twelve

452
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 4: year backup type guy. But he was better in that

453
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 4: that one practice than I thought in that regard.

454
00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 2: The Peyton Manning loves Luke Altmeyer really for whatever, keeps

455
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 2: talking about a.

456
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 4: Guy guy started the Manning camp.

457
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,959
Speaker 2: A lot of them, they do, so they have kind

458
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 2: of background on these guys.

459
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 4: For a few years, our boy Sawyer Robertson tore up

460
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 4: the man in camp.

461
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Speaker 2: By all account, he sure did.

462
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

463
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Speaker 2: Age two, he was ranked number two on mcshay's uh

464
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 2: kind of Quarterbacks from.

465
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 4: From the Senior bo from you know Nuts was one.

466
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 2: Yes uh, saying that Nuts dealt with injuries this year,

467
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: a lack of run game and insufficient offensive line play.

468
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 2: But he's the alpha on the field at practice and

469
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 2: is the most advanced passer of this group.

470
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Speaker 4: He's a lot I mean, uh, McCarthy coached with his

471
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 4: dad with his dad. Yeah, I mean, they're gonna know

472
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 4: a lot about him. And injuries were a big problem

473
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 4: this past year for him from what I understand, And

474
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 4: he played through putting a bad tape out because he

475
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 4: was injured, he says, And that's a hard thing to scout.

476
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 2: That's a very hard thing to scout.

477
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 4: Like going back to his senior year hurt him dramatically.

478
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 4: He'd have gotten much higher if he did.

479
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: Him and Drew Aller. Remember when the Dante More news

480
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 2: broke and I was like, listen, these guys are making

481
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: more money now than ever before. So I get and like,

482
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: if someone's paying me eight million dollars to stay in

483
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 2: college for an extra year and be the man on

484
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 2: campus LSU and not have to take classes, I mean,

485
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like living, good life, living

486
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 2: that's a great life, great life, But man, it ninety

487
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 2: nine percent of the time you can only go backwards

488
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: in your in your stock. You know you can't.

489
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 4: It's an Aler got injured too.

490
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: Aler got injured too. And people get hurt absolutely, Yeah,

491
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 2: absolutely and so and more often than not it goes

492
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 2: that way. It did for nus Meyer too, But that

493
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: doesn't mean there's still a lot of vertical mobility for

494
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 2: that guy.

495
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Speaker 4: But I bet he interviews well and I'm you know

496
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 4: those things like so far the Senior Bowl has gone

497
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 4: well for nuss Meyer. Apparently he's healthy. I you know,

498
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 4: he may go to the combine and get dinged on

499
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 4: four different things and all of a sudden, why do

500
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 4: you go in the sixth round? That could happen? What

501
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 4: was mcshay's order of the six? You have that handy.

502
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Speaker 2: Nus one, Yeah, Sawyer Robinson two, Tailing Green three.

503
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 4: He stands out too. I mean he's every bit of

504
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 4: six six.

505
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: Oh he in terms of the traits, it's him or

506
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: Sawyer Robinson in terms of just traits guys. But like

507
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 2: he compares Taylor Green to Joe Milton. I don't love

508
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: that comp I think that's fair.

509
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 4: I mean he people love Milton.

510
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: He needs a lot of polish. He Yeah, Taylor Green

511
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: needs a lot of polish. Like he doesn't just need

512
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 2: buffed out. He needs the full He needs the he

513
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: needs the full package.

514
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

515
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: Uh Luke Altmyer iour Cole Peyton, uh North Dakota State five.

516
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 4: And then I think it's something good to say about Peyton.

517
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 2: He did. He said he's a pleasant surprise. He's a

518
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: small school guy who will continue to rise and what's

519
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 2: shipping up to be a weak quarterback class. That and

520
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: then last he had Diego Pavia, which I completely get.

521
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 2: He just doesn't have the traits, the physical limitation you

522
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 2: can get to be an NFL quarterback.

523
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can get the Senior Bowl. Heights and weights

524
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 4: are all out there. That was Monday. Yeah, he was

525
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 4: like five nine and seven eighths or something. I told

526
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 4: him he was under five to eleven for sure.

527
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 2: He's like I was, just because like I don't, I know.

528
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 2: It's like kind of what we say when we talk

529
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: about the old coaching staff, Like sometimes I don't want

530
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: to make it seem like we're like throwing third on.

531
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: But but Diego Pavia to me is he's like great

532
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: value Kyler Murray or Johnny Manziel, Like he's he's a

533
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: less he's those two, but a lesser product of those two.

534
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 4: He's to me that you can't be a lesser product

535
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 4: exactly exactly.

536
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: I would take Diego Pavia as a college quarterback all day, like.

537
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 4: You'd love Mountain.

538
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 2: Sure, absolutely, we would want more games this season with

539
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: him at you know, most college football programs would have

540
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 2: won more games with him at quarterback this year than.

541
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 4: With their guy guy.

542
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: You know, he's but you would have said that same

543
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: thing about Johnny Manziel, you know, but I just.

544
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 4: I didn't even if I want him in camp.

545
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 2: His physical limitations are just and he kind of like Manziel,

546
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: he thinks he's six six And you know.

547
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 4: He said it didn't have a lot to say too

548
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 4: about Heisman stuff, yes, and he wasn't repealing.

549
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: He he had a lot of like he posted on

550
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: his Instagram, like f the voters. After Mendoza won the Heisman,

551
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 2: he was like partying, and he was like partying at

552
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 2: a nightclub. And you know how these nightclubs they have

553
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: like the neon signs that like the the you know,

554
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: you get like a private table and there's everybody there,

555
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: the bartenders and everything, and they and one of his

556
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: neon signs said like F Mendoza f Indiana. You know,

557
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: so he thanks, he he thinks he's Michael Jordan.

558
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

559
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: In the locker room, you know, he he he. He

560
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,239
Speaker 2: thinks he's got he's got some of that some of

561
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: that little man syndrome aim. But again, outstanding college football quarterback,

562
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 2: I just I'm not interested in there.

563
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 4: There's a lot of those outstanding with college quarterbacks. No

564
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 4: thanks for me. No, you're gonna have a real touch

565
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 4: kind I'm sure I think him a seventh round right now.

566
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: I agree, completely agree.

567
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not wasting my time.

568
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: One guy that I would take first overall right now. Well,

569
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: if it was twenty some years ago. Ben Roethlisberger, Matt.

570
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: Williams and.

571
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: He joined Max and Rob earlier today in the locker room,

572
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: talked about Mike McCarthy, talked about the future of the

573
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: quarterback position for the Steelers. We'll hear what Ben had

574
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: to say when we returned on the other side to

575
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: close this thing down. Euler Williamson, it's the Drive on

576
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.

577
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: You were tuned about Drive on your twenty four to

578
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: seven home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

579
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: Matt, today's one of those days. I feel like we've

580
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: been all over the place a little bit. Talked to

581
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: a little.

582
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 4: Mccading, Yeah, a little news while we're recording and coaching

583
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 4: staff and still dissecting Mike McCarthy and all the other

584
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 4: moving and shaking across the National Football League, touching.

585
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: On some draft stuff and some free agency stuff.

586
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 4: Well, I mean he's opening press conference only two days ago, right,

587
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 4: it was yesterday?

588
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 3: Was yesterday.

589
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: I know, I'm the same. All these last few days

590
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 2: have all been squitched together into one. But we are

591
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: going to continue to kind of be all over the

592
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: board today and we're going to finish with a special

593
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: treat Ben rothsis Arger of course, you know, speaking of

594
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame stuff, like we were kind of joking

595
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: about earlier. Future Hall of Famer Ben Roethlisberger this morning

596
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: joined his former teammate Max Starks and of course voice

597
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: of the Steelers Rob King in the locker Room, the

598
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: show that Rob and Max do at ten am here

599
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network, and they talked to Ben

600
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: for fifteen minutes about his thoughts on the Mike McCarthy

601
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: higher about the quarterback situation of the future, just on

602
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 2: some memories of him and Max and you know twenty

603
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: years ago, just about to the to the day almost

604
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: I mean, we're like a week away from the twentieth

605
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: year anniversary of the Steelers winning that Super Bowl forty

606
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: against the Sea.

607
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Speaker 5: Hi.

608
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: I guess with Ben and Max and all those guys,

609
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: so a ton of really cool topics that they touch

610
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: on here with seven awesome.

611
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 4: I can't wait here.

612
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: Well, let's hear it right now. Here's Ben Roethlisberger in

613
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: the locker room this morning.

614
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 6: We are very very pleased to be joined by a

615
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 6: very special guest here in the locker room, and that

616
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 6: is the two time Super Bowl winning coach, coach, quarterback

617
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 6: Hall of Honor quarterback soon to be Canton wearing yellow jacket,

618
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 6: gold jacket wearing Ben Roethlisberger joining us now. Ben, thanks

619
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 6: very much for being with us. Really appreciate it.

620
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, no problem.

621
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 5: I mean sometimes I was like.

622
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 6: A coach too, you know, obviously conflating the two because

623
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 6: I'm eager to ask you what your sort of first

624
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,239
Speaker 6: impressions were when you heard that Mike McCarthy was going

625
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 6: to be the head coach of the Steelers.

626
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

627
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 5: Obviously that's a hot topic because I got my phone

628
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 5: was blown up the last couple of days about people

629
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 5: wanting me to talk about it, and I talked about

630
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 5: it in depth last night on My ARM podcast, and

631
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 5: I actually talked about it a week ago when we

632
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 5: were when the search was kind of ongoing, when there

633
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 5: were a bunch of names being thrown around, and you know,

634
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 5: I kind of said that, you know, part of me

635
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 5: be fine getting this kind of young, up and coming

636
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 5: hot shot, kind of unproven to a certain sense sense

637
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 5: of a head coach, you know, a candidate, a coordinator

638
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 5: coming or something like that. But but the name that

639
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 5: actually threw around, you know, was Mike McCarthy. And I'm like,

640
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 5: I liked the High. I would like the Higher back then,

641
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 5: and nothing's changed.

642
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: I think it's a I think it's a great hire.

643
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 5: I know that it's drawn mixed emotions and mixed bags

644
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 5: Amongsteeler fans and the talking heads and this, that and

645
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 5: the other, But personally, I like the Higher, I really do.

646
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 5: And I'm not just saying that, you know, I think

647
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 5: it's I think it's smart for for for a few reasons.

648
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 5: I mean, I think, you know, obviously there's something to

649
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 5: be said.

650
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 3: About a Pittsburgh guy like.

651
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 5: I know that that's not going to win you games necessarily,

652
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 5: but he understands what it is to bleed black and gold,

653
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 5: like like I know he's coached elsewhere, but you're telling

654
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 5: me that deep down inside him, he didn't always have

655
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 5: black and gold run through his veins a little bit

656
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 5: like you know what I'm saying, Like there's something there.

657
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Speaker 5: And I know fans kind of want this like just

658
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 5: like wipe the slate clean, start over. But I think

659
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 5: if fans would really like check themselves after like the

660
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 5: emotions go, I think they still want someone that has

661
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 5: a little bleeding of the black and gold.

662
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

663
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Speaker 5: Does that make sense what I'm kind of getting a

664
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Speaker 5: and and and honestly that was a again it's they're

665
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 5: gonna win games. Probably not, But I use the analogy

666
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 5: last time on my podcast, like I love the fact.

667
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 5: Like so Miami of Ohio right, my my bi alma mater,

668
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 5: I wanted them to hire a Miami guy because you know,

669
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 5: he's not using as a stepping stone. You know, he

670
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 5: loves that. He wants to be there forever. Like Mike McCarthy.

671
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 5: You could tell his introductory press conference like this is

672
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 5: this is a big deal for him and and I

673
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 5: know people will say, well, it's a head coaching job

674
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 5: with the Steelers, it's.

675
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 3: A big deal for anybody.

676
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, but there's just something there to it. You know,

677
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 5: you get a guy with a lot of heart. And

678
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 5: I've used this analogy a million times. I'll take alignment

679
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 5: and MaTx, you appreciate this. I'll take alignment with less

680
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 5: talent and more heart than more talent and left heart

681
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 5: and do well because there's something that you can't you

682
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,239
Speaker 5: can't quantify, you can't you can't gauge heart. And he

683
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy has heart for this team, the city, this organization, Lombardes,

684
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 5: and there's something about that.

685
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you right now.

686
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I completely agree with you. Seven And great

687
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 7: to have you on the show, man, Great to have

688
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 7: you on the show. Great to talk to you. You know, yeah,

689
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 7: I wanted to ask you this, and you know, I

690
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 7: think this was something that was This is the departure

691
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 7: from an old right. I mean, we're getting an offensive

692
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 7: minded coach. We haven't had that right, we process right right,

693
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 7: and even when we went through our transition right from

694
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 7: from BC to Mike t you know, we we were like, oh, well,

695
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 7: maybe there's a there's an offensive coach in there that

696
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 7: that will care about.

697
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: Us and we won't be the you know the step kids,

698
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: uh in the room.

699
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: You know what does that mean?

700
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 7: You think you think to anybody on the offense side

701
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 7: of the ball, knowing that your coach and kind of

702
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 7: come from that side of the focus.

703
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that was my other reason when I

704
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 5: when I spoke about a couple weeks ago, and one

705
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 5: of the reasons I like this higher, it's just time

706
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 5: to score more than six points in a playoff game.

707
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 5: And if Steeler fans are like, wait a second, I

708
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 5: don't like this higher, well, don't you want to score

709
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 5: some points? I understand this team in this city will

710
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 5: always bleed defense and run the running the ball, But

711
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 5: at some point you got to keep up with the

712
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 5: Jones and you got to start scoring some points. And

713
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 5: it doesn't mean that you're taking anything away from your defense.

714
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Speaker 3: So that's the other reason I like this higher.

715
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Speaker 5: And I would use this analogy if I asked you, guys,

716
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 5: I'll ask you two this question, And this is a

717
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 5: question I would pose to fans. And I don't want

718
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 5: people you know, as I pose this question, I don't

719
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 5: want people to need your creaction.

720
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: I want you to think about it. So if you were.

721
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 5: Going into a game or a season, say it's a Super.

722
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: Bowl or it's a full season.

723
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 5: You had a veteran quarterback that you were excited about,

724
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 5: and all of a sudden that quarterback retired, got hurt,

725
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 5: couldn't play that year, and you know, all of a sudden,

726
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 5: it's like, do you want to go get a quarterback

727
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 5: that has maybe never never played quarterback in the NFL?

728
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 5: Young could have some great talent, but he's unproven.

729
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: You just don't know.

730
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 5: You might get a stud, but you just never know.

731
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 5: Or would you rather have a quarterback that comes in

732
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 5: that's a veteran guy that's proven, that's one somewhere before,

733
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 5: he's been he's got experience, he knows what he's talking about,

734
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 5: and that's who you want, is your quarterback? That's my

735
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 5: question I would post, And that's what we have right

736
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 5: now in the coaching situation.

737
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Speaker 6: I think it's an interesting way of looking at it.

738
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: Ben.

739
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Speaker 6: For sure, one of the other things that Mike McCarthy's

740
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 6: reputation tells us is that he is a he's very

741
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 6: good at working with quarterbacks, developing quarterbacks. He talked about

742
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 6: the importance of developing the room and when you look

743
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 6: at you know, Cooper Rush for example, obviously not Dak

744
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 6: Prescott superstar talent ability, but he had a great record

745
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 6: with Cooper Rush as his starting quarterback. You obviously were

746
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 6: a young quarterback in the league at one time as well.

747
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 6: How important is that that development aspect and relationship between

748
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 6: a coach and a quarterback.

749
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 5: It's huge and even more so which which I think

750
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 5: and assume, you know, knowing Michel.

751
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 3: McCarthy a little bit.

752
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 5: Looking at his track record, because I think this is

753
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 5: where people need to also kind of like take a breath.

754
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say relaxed to that Aaronsting, I'll say,

755
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 5: take a breath. Is that I believe that Mike McCarthy

756
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 5: and he's kind of has a little tracker of this

757
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 5: is he's going to bring in some great coaches to coach, right,

758
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 5: like like he's had a you know, I think he'll

759
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 5: bring in a defensive coordinator that that he can just

760
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 5: kind of say, hey, that's your defense, Like I'm not

761
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 5: going to micro manage your defense. I'm going to focus

762
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 5: on the offense. I think and hope that he'll bring

763
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 5: in a young offensive coordinator and you know, to kind

764
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 5: of work together.

765
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: I mean, look what he did with oh, I can't.

766
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 5: I've got Tellen Moore, right, did you hit Kellen Mooreris

767
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 5: Adosi in in Dallas went to Philly now head coach like,

768
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 5: he's not opposed to bringing in young guys. So I

769
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 5: think we have the chance to get the best of

770
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 5: both world. I think we get a veteran coach on

771
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy who has a track record of working with

772
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 5: quarterbacks Allah and you know, Aaron Rodgers potentially for another

773
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 5: year if he want or you know, knowing how to

774
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 5: work with guys. But I think he'll bring in some

775
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 5: young guys to also help with the coaching situation. Mike

776
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 5: McCarthy seems like a coach that is not opposed to

777
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 5: being having smarter or good ideas in the room, you know,

778
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 5: I think, and that's very important. You know, you talk

779
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 5: about it, Max when when Mike T came in. What

780
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 5: made Mike T and that team so great was that

781
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 5: he turned the offense over to a great mind in

782
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 5: Bruce Arians.

783
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: And he let Dick Lebou run the defense.

784
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 5: Those are those are super smart football players that he

785
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 5: let do his thing. And I don't know who McCarthy's

786
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 5: going to bring in as his DC and OC and

787
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 5: things like that. But I could see him. I think

788
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 5: it'd be great if he brought in a veteran defensive

789
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 5: coordinator that that doesn't have head coaching aspirations and said, hey, listen,

790
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 5: this is your defense.

791
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: You go ahead and do it. I'm gonna focus mostly.

792
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 5: On the offense. Let me know when I need to

793
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 5: challenge something or call time out.

794
00:36:59,640 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

795
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 7: Absolutely, And I think I think that that's also why

796
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 7: you bring in a veteran coach, right, because that fear

797
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 7: of jumping, of trying to leap frog the headman. I

798
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 7: mean we saw that in Cleveland on Hard Knocks, right,

799
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 7: you know it was you know, you saw the coaches

800
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 7: like trying to fight to be the head coach when

801
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 7: there's already a head coach. And I think for Mike McCarthy,

802
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 7: like you said, bringing somebody in that's going to challenge

803
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 7: you in a good way and have a different, fresh perspective.

804
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 7: We talked about the coordinators, but in your mind when

805
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 7: you look at kind of assembling this team and how he's.

806
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: Going to go about the roster of those guys.

807
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 7: I mean, if you're looking at the attention after the coaches,

808
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 7: what what what are you paying particularly interest into for

809
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 7: Mike McCarthy after he gets the coaches in place, what's

810
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 7: your thought process about what he should focus on. I said,

811
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 7: for the team for next year, personnel decisions or that

812
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 7: type of direction.

813
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I mean I think, you know, I kind

814
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 5: of mentioned this last night too. I would always you know,

815
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 5: there's two schools of thought here, like, Okay, you know,

816
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 5: with Mike McCarthy being here, I think that definitely gives

817
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers more like it perks his ears to potentially

818
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 5: come back, right, which I don't think is the worst

819
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 5: thing in the world. I think he you know, and

820
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 5: he'll know this offense. I think that's huge. So I

821
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 5: think there's one school of thought. If Aaron comes back,

822
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 5: then I think that gives you another year to kind

823
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 5: of work with Will Howard, which I'm a I'm a

824
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 5: big believer.

825
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: In Will Howard. I think that he needs to get

826
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 3: a chance.

827
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 5: There's just something in here in my See, he's just

828
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 5: I think.

829
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh's gonna love him.

830
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 5: Like. He's blue collar, he's tough, he wants to win,

831
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 5: he's got a desire to for this city. I just

832
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 5: think that that could be really something that that could

833
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 5: be interesting. I think it really hurt him last year

834
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 5: obviously with the injuries and not getting the preseason reps

835
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 5: that he could have gotten.

836
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: Then obviously a game.

837
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 5: You know, that was the Bear's game. I think when

838
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 5: Aaron didn't play all reps that he could have got.

839
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 5: So that's unfortunate. But if Aaron comes back, it's just

840
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 5: another year that he.

841
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: That Will can learn behind Aaron.

842
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 5: Now, if Aaron doesn't come back, I think I have

843
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 5: no problem with Will Howard being the guy this year.

844
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 5: But I'm a big believer. I think a lot of

845
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 5: teams want to put a quarterback in and then build

846
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 5: around the quarterback. I would go the opposite direction. I

847
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 5: would like to build a team and then stick a

848
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 5: quarterback in it so that you kind of like kind

849
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 5: of what happened for me. You know, we had a

850
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 5: really good team Max, when we came in a lot

851
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 5: of veteran guys offense, defense, and I just got kind

852
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 5: of stuck in it, which was great. I would love

853
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 5: and I think there's a lot of great pieces on

854
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 5: this team. I would always focus online. I think that

855
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 5: that's so important to have, you know, lineman, and I

856
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 5: think you know, you could probably speak more of this

857
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 5: Max than I could, but I liked the way the

858
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 5: line looked at the end of last year. I think

859
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 5: there's some really good pieces in Fraser McCormick.

860
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 3: I think i'd bring Isaac.

861
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 5: Back if I could for a year or two, because

862
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 5: he brings that Charlie Bashett last night, that Ramon Foster

863
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 5: ish kind of veteran presence and smarts. But but I

864
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 5: would always I think if you can really get a

865
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 5: good line, I think have in depth at line, if

866
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 5: there's a stud, if there's a guy in there, I'm

867
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 5: talking about a guy, Okay, this guy looked good at

868
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 5: tackle for one year, or this guy was a great

869
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 5: one year player, Like, no, go get me a veteran,

870
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 5: proven guy. I love the center at Indiana, and I

871
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 5: know we have a good center, but I don't think

872
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 5: you can have enough interior alignment.

873
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 3: You know, put him at guard or maybe you know whatever.

874
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 5: But I just think you got to go o line.

875
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 5: And then the other thing that I would potentially talk

876
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 5: about is if there's somewhat available and if you had

877
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 5: to move up a couple of spots because you have

878
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 5: a lot of draft capital, is I would think about.

879
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 3: A game changing secondary player.

880
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 5: You know, I always hate to say this, but a

881
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 5: Troy Polamalu esque player, right, a guy that just can

882
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 5: do something unique. I love the safety at Ohio State Downs.

883
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 5: I just think that is there a player out there

884
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 5: that we could put in the back end that maybe

885
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 5: then we can move Ramsey to the corner, or is

886
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 5: it a corner that we can keep Ramsey at safety,

887
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 5: like a game changing type second player. Those would be

888
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 5: the two areas I'd focus on first. And then obviously

889
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 5: I'd try and focus on a receiver at some point.

890
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 5: And if you can't keep gain Well, then I'd get

891
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 5: a running back. But if you can keep gamewell, which

892
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 5: I think would be important, especially if you're going to

893
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 5: the West Coast system, a guy like Gainwell, Charlie batched

894
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 5: that last night on the show will be huge in

895
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 5: the West Coast style offense. So if you keep gamewall,

896
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 5: which should be important, then you don't need to worry.

897
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 3: About running back, you know.

898
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 6: I think, Ben, you're seeing a lot of interesting stuff.

899
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 6: And by the way, hopefully they'll develop Roman Wilson at receiver.

900
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 6: After one full year he kind of fell off, looked

901
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 6: like he was coming on in the middle of the season.

902
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 6: They still have Caleb Johnson at the running back position.

903
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 6: But you know, I think the national perception and some

904
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 6: local perception is that this is an aging roster in

905
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 6: part because their biggest named guys are older players, you know,

906
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 6: you know, Cam Hayward and TJ. Watt and Jalen Ramsey

907
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 6: and Aaron Rodgers. But I see this as it as

908
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 6: a team that just won an AFC North title. And

909
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 6: like you said, if you make some judicious moves, you

910
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 6: have some money in free agency, you have a lot

911
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 6: of draft picks that are at your disposal, you could

912
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 6: put a pretty solid team on the field. I think,

913
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 6: more solid than than outside observers might think about this roster.

914
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 5: Yeah for sure, I know I totally agree with you, Rob,

915
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 5: And I think the other thing that that is a

916
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 5: big deal is, Okay, if you are going to get

917
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 5: Aaron back, can you get them back for the right price?

918
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 5: Because if not, you know, you're you're in the situation

919
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 5: where you're developing Will Howard on a rookie deal, which is,

920
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 5: you know, anytime that you can build a team while

921
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 5: a quarterback is on a rookie deal, you have to

922
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 5: do it. I'll all the Niners a couple years ago

923
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 5: with brock perty on his deal build this roster around

924
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 5: having a quarterback that you don't have to pay a

925
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 5: lot of money to, And so I'm with you.

926
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: I don't think it's that far off.

927
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 5: Especially look at the you know, you talk about TJ

928
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 5: and Alex, you know, and I don't want to put

929
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 5: Allix's an older but you've got guys in there. But

930
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 5: look who's behind him. You got Sawyer and Herbic, and

931
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 5: you've got some players and you you spent some time

932
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 5: on your D line last year. So yeah, your bigger

933
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 5: names are older. But I'm with you. I don't don't

934
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 5: think that this is an older roster. I think this

935
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 5: is a roster that's got some great roots. I think

936
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 5: it's got some good.

937
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: That three to five year player.

938
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 5: And that's why I think there's just a few spots

939
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 5: that you could really feel until you're ready for this

940
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 5: team to really potentially I think.

941
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 6: Take off, hey, Ben, before we let you go, happy

942
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 6: anniversary on that first Super Bowl championship. We had Bill

943
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 6: Kawer on yesterday. You got Max Starks here helping to

944
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 6: lead the way for that Willie Parker run your first

945
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 6: Super Bowl championship, I'm sure great memories from from this

946
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 6: twentieth anniversary for you.

947
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it was so neat. I mean, obviously getting

948
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 5: celebrated this year during the season with a lot of

949
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 5: the guys and seeing them and it's so it was

950
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 5: so unique because a lot of those guys, you know,

951
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 5: when when we've got there and won that Super Bowl,

952
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 5: we were the young puffs, Max and Island, we were

953
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 5: the ones looking up for all those guys and like,

954
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 5: holy cow, these guys are guys are so old and

955
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 5: now there's you know, now you got the guys did

956
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 5: to us like boy, you guys are so old, and

957
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 5: so you know what neat memories and it's just it's

958
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 5: so fun. It's fun to be out here talking with

959
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 5: Max and you Rob obviously and just talking from twenty

960
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 5: years to now how much different it could be.

961
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 6: You know, Ben, thank you so much for taking the

962
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 6: time out. Really appreciate it. Love your insight, love your

963
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 6: work that you're continuing to do, and and we thank

964
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 6: you for being on with us.

965
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 5: Listen, it was my pleasure to be on here.

966
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 3: Now, Mash, you owe me a favor and you have

967
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 3: to come on mine.

968
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 4: I gotta come to the basement.

969
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 6: Man.

970
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 4: We got to crack a few bruise on the air. Yeah, absolutely,

971
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 4: that's right.

972
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 6: I got away.

973
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 5: All right, guys, good talking to you guys.

974
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 3: Thanks to see it.

975
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 6: Ben appreciated special guest, the great Ben Roethlisberger joining us

976
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 6: today in the locker room.

977
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: Well, Matt, when Ben Roethlisberger speaks, we listen, And yeah,

978
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: that was good.

979
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 4: I mean, he was great.

980
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: I when I was told that we had Ben Roethlisberger

981
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: stuff to play on the show, let's do it, I figured, Yes,

982
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: let's do it. Obviously. Absolutely, Ben's one of those guys

983
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: that when he speaks, everybody wants to hear what he

984
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 2: has to say. And I was also like, Okay, that'll

985
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: probably be six or seven minutes. No, that was fifteen

986
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 2: sixteen minutes there. Of Mike McCarthy quarterback stuff. I really

987
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: liked what he referenced talking about how the Steelers were

988
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: so ready for him to be dropped in there. There's

989
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: an art to that man, that ness that was built up,

990
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: and how he thinks they should try and have that

991
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: similar approach. That means a lot coming from him.

992
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 4: I mean, teams like the Jets that go through Browns

993
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 4: to go through quarterback after quarterbacks, they drop them into

994
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 4: a fire pit.

995
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: You know, like the Joe Burrows that go to really

996
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 2: bad teams and then have them contending shortly after.

997
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 3: That is so rare.

998
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 4: It's so rare.

999
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 2: Most of the time. It's the mahomes where you drop

1000
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: a great quarterback onto a twelve and four division winning

1001
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: team and then they.

1002
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 4: Get them off properly.

1003
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: Yes, you've dropped Josh Allen onto a nine and seven

1004
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 2: wild card Bills team and then they start winning division.

1005
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 4: Titles some infrastructure, yes, right, So.

1006
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: It makes a lot of sense. And loved hearing that

1007
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: from Ben and just him and Max going back and

1008
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 2: forth and all that cool stuff. So a lot of fun.

1009
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: But that'll do it for us today. Thanks to Nate

1010
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 2: Dogg Nathan for producing on the radio side, TV, Mister

1011
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: TV on the video side of things, and of course

1012
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: for Matt Williamson. I'm west Huler on the show Tomorrow,

1013
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: more NFL draft stuff, more coaching carousel, more of the

1014
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: news of the day, and more from the Senior Bowl is.

1015
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: We'll have another day of practices to dig into. There

1016
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: so plenty going on the rest of the week. You

1017
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: know where to find us. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

1018
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 2: It's on your twenty four to seven home of the

1019
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,240
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1020
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