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Speaker 1: fantastic blast from the past. We had our big podcasting brother,

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Speaker 1: none other than Charles W. Chuck Bryant, join us back

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen to talk about the wide world of

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Speaker 1: conspiracies in Phil.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we touch on everything from Stanley Kubrick and his

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Speaker 2: potentially fake moon landing, hidden messages in many of his films,

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Speaker 2: The Wizard of Oz, lots of crazy juice about that film,

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Speaker 2: things that happened behind the scenes.

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Speaker 3: And guys, we have breaking movie news. Conan O'Brien will

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Speaker 3: be hosting Oscars again next year.

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Speaker 4: Okay, second day, and thank god for that.

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Speaker 1: He was.

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Speaker 4: He did a fine job.

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Speaker 1: Good one. But I like his podcast too. But thanks

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Speaker 1: for tuning into ours. Here's the tape.

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Speaker 5: From UFOs to Psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 5: riddled with unexplained events. Can turn back now or learn

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Speaker 5: this stuff they don't want you to know. A production

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Speaker 5: of iHeart Radios How Stuff Works.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We were joined as always with

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Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Mission Control Decant. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know. As our fellow longtime listeners know, we're

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Speaker 1: all film buffs here and stuff they don't want you

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Speaker 1: to know, big fans of cinema in almost any form.

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Speaker 1: And today we're diving into the film conspiracies of all types,

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Speaker 1: right like we would say, we're film buffs.

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Speaker 4: I only like movies.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you are here, you're a movie man.

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Speaker 3: Well you know, I officially have a degree in filmmaking,

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Speaker 4: You're a professor of cinema.

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Speaker 3: No oh, I feel like you're right now, all right, No, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying like, I'm all about this kind of

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Speaker 1: That's true, Matt. Today we are joined with our collective

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Speaker 1: pal pioneer of podcasting, a friend of the show, and

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Speaker 1: an actual outside of work personal friend of ours, to

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Speaker 1: boot Charles W. Chuck Bryant, host of Movie Crush, as

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Speaker 1: well as stuff you should know. Thanks for coming on

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Speaker 1: the show, Chuck.

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Speaker 4: Hey guys, hey man, I've got so many questions already.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Ben, question for you fans of almost all

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Speaker 4: kinds of film? What kinds of film are you're not

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Speaker 1: Oh I was. I just wanted to leave people in

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Speaker 1: know what, screw spaghetti westerns. I hate any omorcone, I

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Speaker 4: You're probably not a fan of snuff films for example.

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Speaker 1: So for backgrounds, how would you describe Movie Crush the podcast?

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Speaker 1: Like how you the germ of the idea, how you

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 4: Movie Crust started as Hey, let me interview a celebrity

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Speaker 2: And just really quickly, just to make sure this is

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Speaker 4: Were Saul and I are doing a Sophia couple of series.

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Speaker 4: That's right true.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Well, nowadays, with all this deep fake stuff, we got

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Speaker 4: Why is everyone looking at me?

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Speaker 3: Well, because Schuck, you're host of stuff. You should know

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Speaker 3: deciding to depict this secret society and the way he

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Speaker 3: did the people who truly pull the strings, it's almost

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Speaker 3: it's not a comment or a response to any of

441
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Speaker 3: that stuff, but maybe it's kind of showing us here's

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Speaker 3: the real Here are the real people that pull the

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Speaker 3: strings in our society. They're people who go to board

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Speaker 3: meetings and have crazy parties because they just have all

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Speaker 3: the power and money.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. But I mean, if you look at the end

447
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 4: of Eyes Wide Shut though, spoiler and you believe what

448
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Speaker 4: the movie has to say, then they are nothing but

449
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Speaker 4: a group of sort of horned up rich people exactly.

450
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Speaker 4: And the girl is not dead, she's this this, you know.

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Speaker 4: Sidney Pollack explains it all at the end, and it's like,

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Speaker 4: you know, all these crazy ideas that you've got about

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Speaker 4: what's going on there, and that there's shadowy murders and

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Speaker 4: cover ups it basically we're just like a bunch of perverts.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of like we talked about with Hodgman

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Speaker 2: when he was on Stuff that I Want you to Know,

457
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Speaker 2: and he sort of shed some light into his entree

458
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Speaker 2: into the book and Snake in Yale when he was

459
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Speaker 2: his time at Yale. And now at the end of

460
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Speaker 2: the day, it was just kind of like a swanky

461
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Speaker 2: party for people to do some networking.

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Speaker 1: And he's much more if we're being honest, he's much

463
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Speaker 1: more focused on his medallion status rather than any sort

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Speaker 1: of secret collegiate society.

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Speaker 2: Medallion status dot bit L Y all capital letters.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's weird because whenever we get to the

467
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Speaker 1: point of any theorizing, when we're whenever we get to

468
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Speaker 1: the point where we're asking people to interpret a symbol, right,

469
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Speaker 1: something subjective. We're no longer looking at something quantitative, like

470
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Speaker 1: a mathematical equation. We're looking at someone who's saying, well,

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Speaker 1: I think I think that looks like a triangle with

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Speaker 1: an eye in it. And I'm pretty sure. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what's the difference, Like, at what point are we just.

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Speaker 4: Reading tea leaves?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: I I see what you're saying there, But isn't there

477
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Speaker 3: some isn't there an extra onion layer to this? Didn't

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Speaker 3: correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't Stanley Kubrick die before

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Speaker 3: this movie?

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Speaker 1: Yes, released six days after he had a screening he died,

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Speaker 1: which is such fertile territory.

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Speaker 4: But didn't somebody else have to go in? And no,

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Speaker 4: that's not true. I'm thinking of Ai. Right.

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Speaker 1: He got in a fight with this udo about how

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Speaker 1: to cut it, which I think you alluded to earlier

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Speaker 1: nol for eyesweight chut mm to get that the I

487
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Speaker 1: guess it was too too racy for an R rating.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, But then I guess here's my question that

489
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Speaker 3: I don't have an answer to. Is like, in the theory,

490
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Speaker 3: they were pretty close to releasing this movie, but somebody,

491
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Speaker 3: maybe the distributor could go through and make changes. Whoever

492
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Speaker 3: owns the rights to it after his passing, like could

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Speaker 3: go through and make some sweeping changes to the story

494
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Speaker 3: before it comes out in theaters. Maybe that's one of

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Speaker 3: the reasons that some of the conspiracy theories continue to proliferate,

496
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Speaker 3: because something could have happened that we would never be

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Speaker 3: privy to.

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Speaker 4: It's true.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna okay, I'm just gonna say it. This

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Speaker 1: is just one person's opinion. I don't think there's much

501
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: sand to conspirat. Like as tempting and as juicy as

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Speaker 1: it is cognitively to say Stanley Kubrick, an immensely talented director,

503
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Speaker 1: went too far and crossed the line, and the powers

504
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Speaker 1: that be were like, don't tell people about our orgies.

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Speaker 1: Now we're going to kill you. As tempting as that

506
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Speaker 1: is to believe, and as frankly fun as it is

507
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Speaker 1: to believe, he was an older man who was not

508
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Speaker 1: in the best shape, you know, and taken very great

509
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Speaker 1: care of himself. I believe he's seventy years old. It's

510
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Speaker 1: not like he was twenty one years old and found

511
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Speaker 1: with two gunshots to the back of his head, right,

512
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Speaker 1: But it does bring out something I think could be

513
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Speaker 1: it could have much more credibility to it, which is

514
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Speaker 1: the idea that a government, or the idea of specifically

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Speaker 1: the US government, may be able to play a role

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Speaker 1: in determining what kinds of films get created or what

517
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Speaker 1: kind of films get depicted.

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Speaker 4: Like.

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Speaker 1: It blew my mind when I learned that this is

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Speaker 1: for all our aspiring filmmakers out there. You can get

521
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Speaker 1: the US military to do stuff for you on screen.

522
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, as long as you depict them as heroes, right.

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Speaker 4: Or at least in a way that they agree upon.

524
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Speaker 1: Yeah, which I had no idea.

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Speaker 4: Like, I'm not sure how much say they have and

526
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Speaker 4: whether or not something gets made these days, but they

527
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 4: can certainly if you're making a war movie or anything

528
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 4: that involves the army, then they can make it really

529
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 4: easy for you, or they can sit on their hands

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Speaker 4: and make it tougher. But they'll be like, sure if

531
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Speaker 4: they like what you're doing. How many tanks you need?

532
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 4: You need some helicopters?

533
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Speaker 1: WHOA, we're wasting your time podcasting?

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Speaker 4: You know what the fees are for that? I No,

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, we need to find out what about it?

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Speaker 2: Even on like a branding level, like if you know,

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Speaker 2: are we allowed of our filmmakers allowed to use Army, Navy, etc.

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Speaker 4: Without permission? Like yeah, you've got to clear everything. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 4: And I imagine yeah they would they ask for the

541
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Speaker 4: use and what are you going to do with it

542
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Speaker 4: and then either say yes or no.

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Speaker 3: Hey, have you guys seen the trailer for the new

544
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Speaker 3: Top Gun movie. I'm actually kind of excited.

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Speaker 4: I am too.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I feel obligated to watch it. You know, I

547
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Speaker 1: feel like it's inevitable.

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Speaker 2: It's just a teaser, right, Like you don't really see

549
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 2: his face there.

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00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 3: No, there's a full trailer.

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Speaker 2: I saw the teaser one, Okay, I gotta I got

552
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Speaker 2: a buddy check it out.

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Speaker 4: I gotta say I was not like I saw Top

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Speaker 4: Gun enough because it was just the zeitgeist. But I

555
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 4: wasn't some big Top Gun nut. But when I saw

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Speaker 4: that trailer, I found myself going, why do I Why

557
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Speaker 4: am I so in love with the idea of this movie?

558
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Speaker 4: I know, well, they it's probably pure nostalgia.

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Speaker 3: It's the way they shoot for me, at least the

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Speaker 3: way they actually shoot the jets, because it brings out

561
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Speaker 3: the kid in me that played with a little toy

562
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Speaker 3: F fourteen and I was just like, oh man, this

563
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Speaker 3: is so cool. We hit on something really important here,

564
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Speaker 3: ben of the concept of controlling what can be seen

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Speaker 3: and like government involvement with that, and I really want

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Speaker 4: At the table, Sure we're at a table.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there we go, Thanks guys. The question that we're

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Speaker 1: looking at currently is whether the weather a government specifically,

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Speaker 1: the US government can influence the kind of films that

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Speaker 1: get made or the kind of narratives we see. The

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Speaker 1: answer to that in days of your was yes, you know,

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Speaker 1: to some degree or another. But the answer now maybe

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Speaker 1: becomes a little more complicated.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: We have indeed, there's this democratization of filmmaking technology, so

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Speaker 1: we have more people who don't have to be beholden

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Speaker 1: to a studio. But I don't know, man, I know

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Speaker 1: it's very on brand for me to be like the

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Speaker 1: CIA is dictating MCU or something like that. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they would bother.

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Speaker 3: I would say that the control mechanisms, to a large

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Speaker 3: part are still in place, but it's mostly the distribution arms.

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Speaker 3: Like you, you could make the coolest indie film ever,

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Speaker 3: but you may not get anyone to see it, no

622
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Speaker 3: matter how trending something becomes. If it's not you know,

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Speaker 3: fully out there somewhere. Uh, and you've got ads popping up. Ever,

624
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 3: somebody's paying for ads, somebody's paying for posters, somebody's paying

625
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: for all this stuff. You're not gonna have the same reach.

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00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: Maybe that's maybe that's wrong thinking though, because anything that

627
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: goes viral online could be potentially seen by.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's true.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's why no one's cracked the code on

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Speaker 2: how to make things go viral per se.

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Speaker 1: This is the This is one of those things that

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Speaker 1: you and I have different your pains.

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Speaker 4: Okay, what do you think? Well, I think it's all

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Speaker 4: like stage.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's more, sure, there are more opportunities to spread things,

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Speaker 1: but there are fewer people holding the faucets of that information.

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Speaker 1: To say that Facebook could not artificially make something quote

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Speaker 1: unquote viral, to say that they don't have that capability is.

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Speaker 4: Willfully I'm not saying they don't nofully wrong. I absolutely

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Speaker 4: think they do.

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Speaker 2: But I also would like to believe that things succeed

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Speaker 2: or fail on their own merits, at least some of

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Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 1: I would think. So, Yeah, I mean I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're in the grips of some corporate

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Speaker 1: sith overlord.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if that cat playing the piano video didn't

648
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Speaker 2: succeed just because of its sheer awesomeness, and I don't.

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Speaker 4: Know what I believe in?

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Speaker 1: What a chaotic universe? Yeah, there's a Oh, this is

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Speaker 1: one example that I think is very real. Have have

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Speaker 1: you guys' film buffs noticed the tendency like the growth

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Speaker 1: of the Chinese mainland film market, right, it's huge. Have

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Speaker 1: you guys noticed that the tendency for blockbuster films to

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Speaker 1: be recut, have scenes added or deleted for the Chinese market.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about this, right, Like they they don't like ghosts.

657
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Speaker 2: There's certain thing they don't like they have to take out.

658
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: I think ghost is one of them. If I'm not

659
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: totally just out on a limb with that one. No

660
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: ghosts and Chinese cut, So now I'm not okay, maybe

661
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 2: that's not that, but there are definitely some cultural things

662
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: that like they have to soften and language that they

663
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: have to soften.

664
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Speaker 4: Paul said, true ghost Yeah, yeah, I thought I didn't

665
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 4: make that up.

666
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: Have you seen examples of this?

667
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, the only thing I can think of

668
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 4: is something sort of obvious like H and not for

669
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 4: the Chinese market necessarily, But didn't they fully recut or

670
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 4: not recut, but digitize the enemy for the Red Dawn REMAKEH?

671
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken it was originally I'm not sure.

672
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 4: I think it may be originally was China and they

673
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 4: had to go back and digitally replace the insignias and

674
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 4: the flags and make it another country. If I'm not mistaken.

675
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Speaker 2: That's interesting, and I wouldn't doubt that, especially seeing what

676
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: we're seeing with China holding so much sway over like

677
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: American like like American companies having to censor stuff like

678
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,959
Speaker 2: the NBA for example, you know, like wanting to play

679
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: ball with China because they have so much control over

680
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: the purse strings. And that's true because a lot of

681
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: movies that flop in the States do Gangbusters business over

682
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: in China Pacific Rim, So you know.

683
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 4: You don't want China.

684
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the reason they made the second one really

685
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: entirely because of what happened in China. And then when

686
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: they made the second Pacific Rim, there's this very there's

687
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: this very apparent leaning into this Chinese market. Charlie Days

688
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: character for some reason, it is like the white guy

689
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: who speaks Mandarin, and then there's also a Chinese general

690
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: who I believe gets a lot. He doesn't really get

691
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: many lines in the American version. It's just that thing

692
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: where there's a conversation between like two principal characters, and

693
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: the camera keeps cutting to this guy just sort of reacting,

694
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: and he's like oh yeah, oh no, oh yeah, And

695
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: so I think it gets actual lines in the Chinese version.

696
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: But that's a clear example that gives truth to this

697
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. On some level, there are governments are able

698
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: to control entertainment media.

699
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, And just to confirm it was originally the

700
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: Red Dawn remake was originally Chinese flags and it got

701
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 3: changed to North Korean flags. And so they don't miss

702
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 3: out because it's a billion billion human beings that they.

703
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 4: Had a garbage movie on their hands, and that American

704
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 4: audiences wouldn't go see it. Well, have y'all.

705
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 3: Just to bring this back into I guess current pop culture.

706
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 3: In twenty nineteen, the new season of South Park is out,

707
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 3: and one of the things they hit early on in

708
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: the season is this concept of Disney and films and

709
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 3: all these things changing their scripts specifically so that the

710
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 3: film in its regular it's an original form would just

711
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 3: perform and be able to be released in China as well,

712
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 3: like catering the full thing, not just recutting a version

713
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 3: of it or something. It's just fascinating to me, But

714
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: it was all about Disney and all the varying properties

715
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 3: and how they were.

716
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 4: Doing this so they're just making Chinese friendly movies.

717
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, again, this is South Park commenting on a situation.

718
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 4: Then it must be true.

719
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: You got to remember too, it's like, it's not like

720
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: every American movie ends up in China. They have very

721
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: tight control over which ones get in, right, So therefore

722
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: you want to level the playing field by like, oh,

723
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: maybe China. Hopefully China will take our big, giant, expensive

724
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: movie so that we have this whole other.

725
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 4: Because Charlie money makes Mandarin's right, right. Yes, not only that,

726
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 4: I was just looking it up. Apparently in gravity.

727
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 2: In the Sandra Bullock movie, Sandra Bullock survives by hiding

728
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: in a Chinese space station. The movie twenty twelve, humanity

729
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: is saved because the Chinese government builds these life saving

730
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: kind of like arc.

731
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 4: Ships or whatever. So there's you know, there's definitely thought.

732
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: Being put into, like how can we please China so

733
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: that we can get that sweet sweet you know Chinese business.

734
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 4: Your show is probably not in China, right.

735
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: Well, no, I don't know if we can get into China.

736
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 4: After your show is in China. There's no way, No,

737
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 4: you guys do I think I remember at one point

738
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 4: someone said that we were not available in China for

739
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 4: stuff you should know.

740
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: Huh, guys, we got to learn Mandarin or cantonese. Okay,

741
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: just we've got the weekend coming up. Well we'll solve that, right.

742
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 4: Uh.

743
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: This so the spoiler alert there, there was another historical

744
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: conspiracy we wanted to talk about that perhaps is an

745
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: episode of its own, the Red Scare and the House

746
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: on American Activities Committee, But we want to give that

747
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: due diligence. And also, I think this is something that

748
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: we're wondering and our fellow listeners are wondering for you, specifically, Chuck,

749
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: what are some of your favorite, like most out there

750
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: fan theories about films or franchises, not even like real

751
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: quote unquote conspiracy theories, but like the craziest stuff that

752
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: fans have come up with. And also do you believe

753
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: it or disbelieve it?

754
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 4: So are we doing blacklist? Are we doing fan theories theories?

755
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, we could do We could do do

756
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: fan theories. Yeah.

757
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad you asked. Ben. There's a few popular

758
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 4: ones available on the internet. I'm not sure if you

759
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 4: know this. It's real pository for stuff like what the

760
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 4: heck is the internet? There's the Toy Story one which

761
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 4: is pretty good, which is that Andy's mom was the

762
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 4: original owner of Jesse the Cowgirl. WHOA Okay, why did

763
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 4: that blow your mind so much?

764
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 3: Matt, Well, it just connecting it up that much because

765
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 3: it was such an important part of this.

766
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that would make you know, Jesse sings the

767
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 4: song about Emily, you know that really said song about

768
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 4: her previous owner. That would be Andy's mom toy story too.

769
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 4: I think that was in Toy Story. Yeah, when she

770
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 4: loved me that you met.

771
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I have a four year old man.

772
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: We've been watching that movie all the time.

773
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 4: That one is actually could be true. And Disney and

774
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 4: and Pixar certainly does a lot of this stuff. I

775
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 4: think they recently admitted that everything is in the same

776
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 4: shared universe, right, Yeah, Like there's a Frozen theory too

777
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 4: about the ship that.

778
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: Els and Ana's parents are on or the same the

779
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 2: same ship that they find in The Little Mermaid.

780
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 4: Oh well, and also that that Tarzan is frozen. I

781
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 4: don't know the ladies and Frozen that they are siblings,

782
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 4: Yeah to Tarzan's.

783
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: Because of the the Elson an A parents that were

784
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: on this voyage and.

785
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 4: They had a boy they had a boy that is

786
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,479
Speaker 4: yeund and.

787
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: And geographically where they would have been passing through, it

788
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: might have made sense for him to, you know.

789
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 4: Wash up on it. Ferris Bueller is a creation of

790
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 4: Cameron's mind. That's always that's been an old one, but

791
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 4: a good.

792
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: I remember hearing that when and then it made me

793
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: go back and rewatch Ferris Bueller, which I thought was

794
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: like I thought day Off was the coolest film growing up. Yeah,

795
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: it was a very very safe and ocuous way to

796
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: fight the power.

797
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was the tagline for that? We heard today?

798
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 4: One man struggled to take it?

799
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: Why do you think they didn't franchise Ferris Bueller, He

800
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 2: has his day off?

801
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 4: Why didn't they do? Like that was going to be

802
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 4: a sequel for a while to the Beach like.

803
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: And then there was there was a a very Ferris

804
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: Bueller esque television series called Parker Lewis Can't.

805
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 4: Lose That He was the Heath kind of looked like

806
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 4: Parker Lewis.

807
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: Oh, thanks, man, I think he was the he was

808
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: sort of the Heathcliff to the Garfield of Ferris Bueller.

809
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

810
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 4: I actually liked that show.

811
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was cool. Yeah, he's like cutting a cardboard

812
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: cut out of himself in half with a chainsaw.

813
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 2: Uh.

814
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 4: There, of course is the breaking bad meth led to

815
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 4: the Walking Dead. What apocalypse? You never heard that one

816
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 4: to me? Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff. Glenn in

817
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 4: season one drives that red Dodge Challenger which looks like

818
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 4: Walter's car, and when Walter went to return that car,

819
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 4: the manager of the car dealership's name was Glenn. Darryl

820
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 4: is trying to bring down the fever of this other

821
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 4: guy at one point, so he pulls out of sash

822
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Speaker 4: of drugs and there's clearly like blue myth, like Walter

823
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 4: White's blue meth in the bag and then one more merle.

824
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 4: You know Michael Rookers character early on he was a

825
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 4: former drug dealer, and they described his on the show,

826
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Speaker 4: his supplier as a janky little white guy who threatened

827
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 4: him with a gun and said, I'm gonna kill you.

828
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 4: Can I say the word probably can't a curse on here,

829
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 4: just yeah, I'm gonna kill you.

830
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: WHOA so JANKI looky white guy?

831
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Speaker 4: And I what I think is going on is I

832
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 4: think Vince killing or the Walking Dead creators put some

833
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 4: like fun little references totally. Yeah, but you know, they

834
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 4: have fun with that kind of thing filmmakers do, I think.

835
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Speaker 6: Yeah, people love the ster eggs and yeah, the best

836
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 6: ever though.

837
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Speaker 4: Guys, you know the Tommy Westfall universe theory, right, Tommy

838
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 4: Westfall from Saint Elsewhere. Okay, So Saint Elsewhere was a

839
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 4: show in the eighties hospital show and very famous for

840
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 4: the ending final episode, which was one of the doctor's son.

841
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 4: His name was Tommy Westfall, doctor west Fall's kid, and

842
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: he looks into a snow globe. Well, first of all,

843
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 4: a character that has already died is is is alive

844
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 4: in the living room and is a different person. His

845
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 4: dad comes home, the doctor, and he's a construction worker,

846
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 4: and so this is the very very last scene of

847
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 4: this whole long series. And then Tommy looks into his

848
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 4: little snow globe that he's always playing with, and it

849
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 4: is sant Eligi's hospital inside the snow globe. Basically, the

850
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 4: idea is that this whole thing think Tommy had autism

851
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 4: and it was all this world that he created. Oh

852
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 4: so that's the beginning, that's the seed. There were so

853
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 4: many crossovers and uh, guest spots and characters appearing, like,

854
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 4: for instance, the two doctors went to the Cheers bar

855
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 4: one time as those doctors and Dittle cameo. So there

856
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 4: are all these little tendrils to where they have now

857
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 4: linked four hundred and nineteen TV shows to say and elsewhere.

858
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 4: Meaning if that was all in his head, then all

859
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 4: of these shows are in the head of young Tommy Westfall,

860
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 4: whoa concluding the X Files, all of Star Trek and Dude,

861
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Speaker 4: if you looked at the list you can go to

862
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 4: I mean they have full websites on this, and you

863
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 4: look at down the list of four hundred nineteen shows,

864
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 4: you're like, how does mash have anything to.

865
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: Do with Wait?

866
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 4: Wait, so there's real connections. Yeah, yeah, real connections. Really

867
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,280
Speaker 4: the Marine universe sort of thin, but some of them aren't,

868
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 4: Like you know, Cheers, Begat Fraser. Fraser had like a

869
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 4: guest star that was ended up on something else and

870
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 4: then somehow that connects to like Law and Order, and

871
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 4: Law and Order has tendrils all throughout because all the

872
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 4: different shows and all the guest stars and not just

873
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 4: like someone guested on the show, but like in character

874
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 4: in the fictional worlds.

875
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: Like Munch from uh He's been in like I think

876
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: X Files and a bunch of true crime shows. He's

877
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: in law and order, so.

878
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 4: That ties all that stuff together, or like MASH was

879
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 4: something I mentioned one of the doctors once and elsewhere

880
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 4: at one point made a little reference to working with

881
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 4: Trapper John. Who is that one of the doctors in MASH,

882
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 4: So like that's how that fits in. And then MASH

883
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 4: reaches another couple of things.

884
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm looking at the grid. Uh there

885
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 3: is a visual grid online that you can find. Oh

886
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: and it's this is at eleven percent. I'm looking at

887
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 3: eleven Oh wow, it goes all the way in to Chicago.

888
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 4: Pretty funny to pick it. Fences, like a rested development

889
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 4: is on there, great shows, Alpha is on there. So

890
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 4: this spans and they all yeah, I mean they're basically saying,

891
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 4: like close to four hundred and twenty shows, simulation theory

892
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 4: very much.

893
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 6: What this is.

894
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: He's the He's like the god of the matrix, basically

895
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: Tommy Westfel. If you guys are familiar with the PBS

896
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: Digital Studios show Idea channel, which I don't know if

897
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 2: they produced that anymore, but I used to love it.

898
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: I think I gotta start watching it again if they do.

899
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: But there is a Tommy Westfell west Fall excuse me,

900
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: universe episode of that show.

901
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 4: Really, he goes through and does it does all of

902
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 4: the connections, so we should credit the original guy too.

903
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 4: It's a comic book and TV writer named Dwayne McDuffie

904
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 4: put this forward in a two thousand and two blog post.

905
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 4: It's very two thousand and two bloggie.

906
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: It is also about this theory, guys, do you I mean,

907
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: I kind of miss that that idea. You know, I

908
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: don't watch television is kind of changing anyway, but I

909
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: I don't watch a ton of stuff, but I would

910
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: love it if I was watching. I don't know if

911
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: Black Mirror had a Stranger Things reference in there somewhere

912
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: that kind of.

913
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 4: Now I'm with you, and it is a little harder

914
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 4: these days because I think back then, with like three networks,

915
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 4: there could be more crossover, but it's hard to like,

916
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 4: you know, Apple's making TV shows now, are they going

917
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 4: to reference something from like CBS? You know, are they

918
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 4: going to reference Everybody Loves Raymond or something? Right, think

919
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 4: it's a lot easier to cross over in those days.

920
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: That's true.

921
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 4: I do miss it, do though. They'd be kind of cool.

922
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 4: I'm sure this one continues, and now I'm sure people

923
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 4: are trying to write in Tommy Westfall connections. Oh yeah, yeah,

924
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 4: you know, just to be a part of the whole thing.

925
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with this. There's even cartoons like Dexter's Laboratories

926
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 4: on here and well then you can click on it

927
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 4: and see what the link is to to Tommy Westfall.

928
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 4: It's so cool. Yeah, it's pretty neat. I was unaware

929
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 4: of this. We can really spend some time. Is real

930
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 4: rabbit hole.

931
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: I love that these kind of rabbit holes are inspiring

932
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: to me because they think, like, Okay, this guy was

933
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: doing other stuff with his life. He discovered this, and

934
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: now Dwayne McDuffie, Dwayne McDuffie is two thousand and two

935
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: blog posts and now it's taken on a life of

936
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: its own, and like.

937
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 4: Getting paid for this did he? I don't know.

938
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: It feels like a passion project. It feels like a mission.

939
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: And you know, I fell asleep trying to put on

940
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: a pair of pants one time, so like, this guy

941
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: is really being productive.

942
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's sort of like the Kevin Bacon I think,

943
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken. At one point in the mid

944
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 4: nineties when I was living in New Jersey. I met

945
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 4: the guy who created the Kevin Bacon degrees of separation.

946
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 4: I was gonna call it a meme. Wasn't a meme

947
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 4: back then, guys, wasn't a rumor. You know what our

948
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 4: memes are. We would draw pictures and hand them around

949
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 4: at one another. That's so charming.

950
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 3: What a distribution lot.

951
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 4: I don't know what to call it though, But if

952
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, and this just popped into my head,

953
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 4: I think I met that guy at a party one

954
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 4: Tommy Westwall No, the guy who created the Kevin Bacon

955
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 4: separation thing, seven degrees of separation?

956
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: Did he did degrees introduce himself as that guy?

957
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 4: He was introduced to me as such. And the reason

958
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 4: I remember because I think he was developing a board

959
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 4: game at the time, and you know, supposedly, I guess

960
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 4: he owned this idea. I don't know Reynolds trademark that

961
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 4: did you look it up? I'm making it the Oracle

962
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 4: of Bacon, I would, now I'm hungry. I don't know,

963
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 4: I don't remember. I certainly wouldn't remember who it was.

964
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 4: This is just some random Barney.

965
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: This this is strange, Okay, So this I mean researching

966
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 1: this interconnected universe is very much there goes my weekend moment.

967
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 4: So sorry, Oh no, it's good for a while, It's

968
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 4: gonna be worth it.

969
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: But I do want to let everybody know we had

970
00:49:54,880 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: mentioned briefly. House on American Activities Committee, would you be

971
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: interested in making a return appearance for us to do

972
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: an episode just on that. Sure, okay, because I feel

973
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: like maybe we did and this is my bad. We

974
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: did a bit of a tease. There's like no cut that,

975
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: let's go to fan theories. But I have no regrets

976
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: because I feel like we learned a lot.

977
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, I've certainly got a rabbit hole to

978
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 2: play in a sandbox. Rabbit box.

979
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: This is gonna be one of those times in the

980
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: box where you and I hang out at the local bar,

981
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: reading the same web page and just not talking to

982
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: each other.

983
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 4: Let's do it. Let's do it after this.

984
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: Can I ask one last thing before we please? Do

985
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 3: you think we mentioned and you just mentioned it again

986
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 3: in the House of an American Activities saying, do you

987
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 3: think there could be a time, specifically in the United

988
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 3: States of America where something like that could happen again?

989
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 3: Like where yes, the government steps up, you think, so.

990
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 4: I think it's happening. I mean, not necessarily just that,

991
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 4: but for sure, yeah, I think. I think lately we've

992
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 4: all seen out of pain. Things can get.

993
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: Just inching towards totalitarianism, you know, I mean one day

994
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 2: at a time, and it's like we always say, it's

995
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 2: like the whole you know, frog in boiling water situation,

996
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 2: where it happens slowly and then before you know it,

997
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 2: you're dead.

998
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: Well, one thing, since I know we're past Halloween, but

999
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: it feels like it's always Halloween in America nowadays. It's true.

1000
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: One thing that we have that we have to consider

1001
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: is that the most vulnerable point of any nation's life

1002
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: cycle is always going to be the succession of power,

1003
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: the secession of power. And so when I was studying

1004
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 1: North Korea years and years back in a different lifetime,

1005
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: that was the thing that put everybody on international alert.

1006
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: When one of the Kims is going to say, Okay,

1007
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: my son, this chosen Kim is now going to be

1008
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: in charge. Hope everyone's cool with that, because there are

1009
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: a bunch of other there's all this internal stuff. We

1010
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: have been very fortunate that we are in the US.

1011
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: We're not a country like Italy. Italy has not had

1012
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: a very good run of contiguous governance for what the

1013
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: past fifty plus years, But here in the US, we

1014
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: sort of take it for granted that when an election happens,

1015
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: whether local, regional, or federal, the person who wins the

1016
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: person who loses shake hands. We don't know if that's

1017
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Now, boy really took this in a depressing note.

1018
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 4: You know, I think if Donald Trump loses in the

1019
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 4: twenty twenty eighth, then it'll be a really, really interesting transition.

1020
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: I'm already digging in my backyard to make a place

1021
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 3: where my family and I can hide for several months.

1022
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 3: Hopefully everything goes great and won't need to use it.

1023
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 4: I don't think like violence will break out necessarily, but

1024
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 4: I'm having a hard time just picturing him playing nice

1025
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 4: about it all.

1026
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 2: Well, that's what we're talking about too, right, Like where

1027
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 2: you know, the normal channels, the normal ways things are

1028
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 2: done that we've all accepted are the ways things are done.

1029
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 4: This is kind of proven that, like, maybe it's only

1030
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 4: done this way if people play nice. That's right. I

1031
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 4: think that's absolutely true.

1032
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, the rule of law is a tenuous thing.

1033
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 4: You know.

1034
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: The example we always use on this show is we

1035
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: think we take the tack of or the perspective of

1036
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: future historians looking back on twenty nineteen. So many things

1037
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: now that we do we're going to seem ridiculous in

1038
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: like twenty years, forget one hundred. One of the silliest

1039
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: examples that still holds water is, of course, driving on

1040
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: the interstate, explaining to like one of your grandkids, well,

1041
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: we used to hop in these things that would go

1042
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: ninety plus miles an hour, and.

1043
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 4: How is it not one hundred percent mortality?

1044
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: You know, right? And like, well, we have this system

1045
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: of lines that we painted on the ground walls between

1046
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: the cars. No, just paint, just paint, And we all

1047
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: kind of agreed that we would treat these lines as

1048
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: though they were barriers. So it was kind of an

1049
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: honor system.

1050
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 4: We have even had a saying stay in your lane, yeah,

1051
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 4: very quaint time.

1052
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 3: Don't text or you'll die.

1053
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: Right, They're like, oh, so did that work? And the

1054
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: answer would be like, kind of, I don't know. A

1055
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: ton of people died.

1056
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 4: They'll just say, like, you drove your own cars exactly

1057
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 4: with your hand.

1058
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 2: It reminds me exactly reminds me of that scene from

1059
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: Back in the Future too, where Martin mcfid does his

1060
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 2: like fancy you know gun video game moves and the

1061
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: little kids, one of which I believe is young young

1062
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 2: Elijah Wood says, you have to use your hands, idiot,

1063
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 2: you know Boomer?

1064
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Boomer, I love Boomer. That's a weird one.

1065
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 3: So last question that we're wrapping, what was in Marcello's

1066
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: Wallace's briefcase.

1067
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 4: Oh, look like a yellow light bulb are apartment.

1068
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: Wait, do you have behind the scenes? You get some

1069
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: juice on that? Oh? I got no juice.

1070
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 4: I really got into the pulp fiction theories of the

1071
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 4: portal in Marcella Swallows's neck. He was the devil or something,

1072
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 4: or it being his soul and the soul is in that.

1073
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 4: I never got into that stuff. I just always kind

1074
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 4: of took it at face value.

1075
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: I always thought it was gold bars. Yeah, I mean

1076
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 2: that's what I thought in Dinner in the California Sun.

1077
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just just a hyper stylized hey, here's something

1078
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 4: valuable in here. Thing. Mm That's what it was, though they.

1079
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: Big up it a lot harder than if it were

1080
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 2: just gold bars. In the movie they treated it like

1081
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: it's sort of sacred.

1082
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: And irreplaceable, unique object. But you know what else is

1083
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: interesting too. We have to think of Quentin Tarantino's personality.

1084
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: I've never met the guy. Yeah, he seems like he

1085
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: can get you know, carried away, passionate dude. Sure, so,

1086
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: I you know, maybe he has an explanation to himself

1087
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: or or I want to be like the party pooper here.

1088
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: Maybe he was just like, okay, just put it, put

1089
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Speaker 1: a light bulb in it and make it bright. And

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Speaker 1: someone's like, okay, well what is it. He's like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: just roll one of the yellow gels on it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're playing off of his personality and the weird

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Speaker 3: things that end up on camera for him. Maybe it

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Speaker 3: was a pair of solid gold stilettos.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, maybe it's just like a

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Speaker 1: foot maybe Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He's yeah, speaking of shared universes though he does a

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Speaker 2: pretty good job of of that.

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Speaker 4: And it's it's I think it's right. I can't remember

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Speaker 4: how we where I was discussing this.

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Speaker 2: It might have been not on a podcast weird, but like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, Vincent Vega is vic Vega from Reservoir Dogs.

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Speaker 4: I think their Yeah, yeah, there's more.

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Speaker 2: Cigarettes, there's more there's there's more stuff and moving into exactly.

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Speaker 4: I just think that's fun. I like it. Yeah, same here.

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Speaker 1: I like that it's not over Yeah, it's world building,

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Speaker 1: but it's not over the top. It's not it's not

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Speaker 1: beating like there's not there's no exposition about it, which

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Speaker 1: I think is very strong.

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Speaker 2: You're not required to keep it in mind, but if

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Speaker 2: you feel like it and want to dig deep, it's

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Speaker 2: a fun thing to like pay attention to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the TV show lost Mede a whole However, many

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00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 4: seasons they counted on fans really overdoing it.

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00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 1: That's true payoff. Yeah, were you one of those guys

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00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: when it was.

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00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 4: All oh dude, I was waiting the fuselage that was

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00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 4: the website. I went to that thing. I was all

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Speaker 4: over it, man, I thought it was really really cool.

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Speaker 1: I was on spoilerforums dot net. Yeah, talking to Russians

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Speaker 1: about like getting the new not even the new episode early,

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Speaker 1: getting the new teaser.

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Speaker 4: It waned for me as the show went on, but

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Speaker 4: those first few seasons I was in deep. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: It got to the point where you realized there was

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Speaker 2: no way they were going to be able to cash

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00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 2: this check that they wrote, like there's just not enough

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Speaker 2: episodes left, you know. Yeah, But thinking back, and this

1129
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Speaker 2: is how I feel oftentimes when shows that I love

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00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: initially kind of jumped the shark. I don't know that

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00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 2: it affected my overall. I still enjoyed my time with

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Speaker 2: the show. It didn't make me just like completely thrown

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Speaker 2: into the bus forever.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But they did a great job. Was shared universe fan

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Speaker 1: theories too. Even tied into clover Fields a bit tenuously.

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Speaker 4: Oh sure, yeah, I like that, which was the one

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Speaker 4: with the the Cloverfield movie with an underground layer.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was great. Really, I thought it was cool.

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Speaker 1: That's John Goodman, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, in a real nasty s o B.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, come on, man, you're the guy

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Speaker 1: from Roseanne. Be cool.

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Speaker 4: Do you want to hear my little name dropy loss story.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 4: So I went to meet our friend John Hodgman, he's

1147
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 4: been on this very show. I went to meet him

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00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 4: for dinner one time in la at the Chateau Marmont,

1149
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 4: and the dining room there very cool. The only time

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00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 4: I've been there is by his invitation. And I was

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00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 4: waiting in the lobby, waiting, waiting, waiting, and he said,

1152
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 4: I'm finishing dinner. It was just like right behind me

1153
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 4: with a friend, just like, hang out there for a minute.

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00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 4: We'll go get it drink. Also, when I happened to

1155
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 4: see John Krasinsky and Emlee Blunt, they walked right by me.

1156
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 4: Caught eyes with Krazinski and he gave me a very

1157
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 4: nice acknowledging smile and nod and I was like, he

1158
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 4: is a good guy. You can tell just because he

1159
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 4: looked at me. He went just kind of smiled that aside.

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Speaker 4: That's one name drop. Hodgman finally texted me and said,

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00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 4: come on over to the table because we're going to

1162
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 4: be a little bit longer. It's Damon Linda Lindelof sitting

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00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 4: there and I was like, oh hi, And it was

1164
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 4: right after Lost.

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00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

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Speaker 4: And I sat down and within like two minutes he

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00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 4: went all right, you got to be honest and he

1168
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 4: was like, I've just met you. I don't know you.

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Speaker 4: John and I were talking about the end of Loss

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00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 4: and he was like, were you a fan? I was

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00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,959
Speaker 4: like yeah, And he's like, what did you think about

1172
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 4: the last episode? No? No pressure, no pressure at all.

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00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 4: And I was honest and I went, yeah, I was like,

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00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 4: it was all right. I was like, I gotta say,

1175
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 4: I said, I love the show. I said, but I

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00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 4: didn't love the ending. And he was very sweet about it,

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Speaker 4: and he said see because I guess John was saying like, no,

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01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 4: people loved it, and he took that as ammunition to

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01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 4: be like, see there, this guy's being honest. Like I

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01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 4: think he might have thought. His contention might have been

1181
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 4: that we dropped the ball a little bit. But you

1182
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 4: gotta remember too, like that show, they didn't intend for

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01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 4: it to run that long.

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01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 6: Now.

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01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 2: I think they were like doing well, and then the

1186
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 2: studios are like, keep it going, guys, keep that juice flowing.

1187
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 4: And so then they kind of write themselves into a

1188
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 4: corner and like what are.

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01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: They gonna do? I bet you Tella novella, you know,

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01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: and it's almost like the Dark Tower novel series. You know,

1191
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: it keeps, it keeps going, and at some point, like

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01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: there's this beautiful moment when you're writing a story in

1193
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: your created world where you're in the middle of it,

1194
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: anything's possible, right, and you get toward the end you're like, well,

1195
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,479
Speaker 1: Polar Bears, Yeah, what happened to those guys, right.

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01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 4: I'll never forgive a monster.

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01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll never forgive them for the smoke monster. I

1198
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 3: thought I wanted that to be something so much more.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what it ended up being? Again, can I.

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Speaker 3: Can't even remember?

1201
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 2: It was the embodiment of the spooky bad guy in

1202
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 2: black because there were the two there were the two siblings,

1203
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: right and ask Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't even remember.

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01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 3: Any too much, guys, this too much lost, too much lost.

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01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: We have we have people yelling at their podcast player

1206
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: of choice right now.

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01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 3: David is making Watchmen right now on HBO.

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01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 4: And it looks dope.

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01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 4: I saw the pilot. I liked it.

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01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: It's it's really well done. And of course Alan Moore

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01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: hates it.

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01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 4: He is uh means he's already vocal that he hates it. Well,

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01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 4: that's my point though. Is he actually spoken about it

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01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 4: or is there we just assuming.

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01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: That he has. He's a great writer who only writes

1217
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: to support his habit of being a full time curmudget

1218
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: like that's his first love.

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01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: He lives in a very small village, uh and has

1221
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 2: lived in the same place, a very small, modest home.

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01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 2: He worships a snake god called glican and he is

1223
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 2: very into you know, witchcraft and Alistair Crowley asked.

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01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,479
Speaker 1: You to have these amazing YouTube video. It was about

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01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: magic where it starts out with like, Okay, we'll get

1226
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: this because we've all worked in production. Starts out with

1227
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: like an empty chair, just in an empty room, and

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01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: then there's a there's like a hard cut and he's

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01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: just sitting there and he's like, oh magic. On that note, though,

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01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: I think Almore is a fantastic writer, genius.

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01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: And so barring a Lost, a Lost reboot, a gritty

1233
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: reboot of Lost, what if we call that? I don't know, befuddled?

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01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 4: Yes, found found see that movie crusher symbiosis.

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01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: Nice and where can people find movie Crush if they

1236
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: want to learn more about the world of film.

1237
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 4: Well, you know, Ben and the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts

1238
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 4: or wherever you find your favorite podcast. That's our official cca.

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01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 3: I heard that somewhere.

1240
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: Sounds familiar. This is thank you so much for coming

1241
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: on having me. Yeah, it's long overdue.

1242
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think year ten or whatever is a good

1243
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 4: time to have me on.

1244
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 3: What I said, I would say, if you are, if

1245
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 3: you like this show and you've maybe joined our Facebook group.

1246
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 3: Movie Crush has a Facebook group that has just the

1247
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 3: most fantastic people on it.

1248
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: To discuss things movie Crushers.

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01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 3: Movie Crush is similar to our hears where it gets crazy.

1251
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 3: So it's just another great place to a group to

1252
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 3: join if you are a fan of movie Crush or.

1253
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: If you like the show.

1254
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you like movies. It's just a nice

1255
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 4: community of people who aren't jerks to each other and

1256
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 4: who share ideas about movies that are very respectful and

1257
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:41,439
Speaker 4: it's cool and check.

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01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 2: I might be being a dumb dumb and asking this,

1259
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 2: but do you post the many Crush questions on the

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01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 2: page or on the actual like on the group or

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01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 2: on the page I posted on the Movie Crush facebook

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01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 2: page facebook page, So if you want to get in

1263
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 2: on that, and you want to join the group, which

1264
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 2: is its own thing, and join the conversations, but join

1265
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 2: the conversation for the show. Chuck literally posts questions the

1266
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 2: day before we do these many Crush episodes where it's

1267
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 2: just he and I kind of having conversation starters that

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01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 2: folks on the Facebook page submit, Yeah, and I read

1269
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 2: your name, you.

1270
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 4: Read your name.

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01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 2: You can become an old pal stet a good friend,

1272
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 2: like it's really a whole thingy.

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01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: You've got some recurring suggestions and people right in the

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01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: page because it a very supportive community.

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01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great, and.

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01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: That's our classic episode for this evening. We can't wait

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01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts.

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01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:34,800
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1279
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1280
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:41,640
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01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,760
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01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,200
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