WEBVTT - X-Men '97 S2E06: "Danger.exe"

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<v Speaker 1>Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for X Men ninety seven

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<v Speaker 1>Season two, episode six, Danger ex E. Hello. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Jason sebscim He on Rosday Night, and welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to Extra Vision, the podcast where we dive deep into

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<v Speaker 1>a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Last news, In today's episode, we have some big news

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<v Speaker 2>for you. Once again, guys, we were right.

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<v Speaker 3>We are recapping X Men ninety seven episode six, Danger

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<v Speaker 3>dot e x E.

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<v Speaker 2>If you are an online person, you will know that

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<v Speaker 2>this means something bad is going to happen and we

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<v Speaker 2>were right.

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<v Speaker 3>But we're going to talk about what they included, what

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't include from the comics, and how we feel

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<v Speaker 3>coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of this episode. But first, who Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>So we begin and Charles is watching Magnus get killed

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<v Speaker 3>by Apocalypse. It's heartbreaking. His eyes are wide.

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<v Speaker 2>Magneto's iconic helmet falls to the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>And just as Charles is about to be stamped on

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<v Speaker 3>by Apocalypse, we learn he's actually in the Danger room,

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<v Speaker 3>just rewatching his boyfriend's death again and again.

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<v Speaker 4>Jason, I do not feel like this is healthy I

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<v Speaker 4>was very worried.

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<v Speaker 1>There should be there should be guardrails on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there should be guardrails on a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 3>As we will learn in the Danger Room, it quickly

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<v Speaker 3>becomes clear that the relationship that the Danger Room and

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<v Speaker 3>Charles have is pretty sassy, and that her own thoughts

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<v Speaker 3>on how Charles should be processing grief are different than his.

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<v Speaker 3>So the next time he runs it, she essentially like

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<v Speaker 3>turns up the density on the training program and he

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<v Speaker 3>almost gets stomped by the fake apocalypse until he begs

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<v Speaker 3>her to stop, and we start to get a realization

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<v Speaker 3>here that her safety protocols are evolving. Next, we jump

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<v Speaker 3>to a scary ship where a bunch of hooded men

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<v Speaker 3>are who we learn one of is Rever and striker

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<v Speaker 3>Uttoh about to see the purifiers. This mutant hating piece

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<v Speaker 3>of shit arrives on a boat. He's got his purifiers.

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<v Speaker 3>They have some kind of Vibranian mutant killing weapons.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems that they're smuggling. Very interesting to me.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a really cool sequence, really different kind of

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<v Speaker 3>hinting at this kind of occult, weird, very hope Summer's

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<v Speaker 3>ish kind of but like an inversion of it. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they're stopped by X Factors Polaris. She is ready to

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<v Speaker 3>destroy the whole ship. And if you want those big

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<v Speaker 3>action sequences that are gonna make you really love this show,

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<v Speaker 3>this is one of them. It's a container ship. She's

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<v Speaker 3>throwing it up in the air. She's going crazy, and

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<v Speaker 3>she's ready to explode the whole ship. Val Cooper is

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<v Speaker 3>basically just like, please don't do this, like you're showboating,

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<v Speaker 3>you're making us look bad.

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<v Speaker 2>And also, how do you think this makes people think?

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<v Speaker 3>Seeing as a your dad's magneto. So we get the

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<v Speaker 3>confirmation again that magneto here is Lorna's far other at

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<v Speaker 3>just like in some of the comics. And more importantly

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<v Speaker 3>for her right now though, is she's fired from X

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<v Speaker 3>Factor and that's kind of good because she feels like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>there's these anti mutant terrorists, I'm stopping them. Why are

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<v Speaker 3>you controlling me and not them? So as she leaves,

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<v Speaker 3>she rags on Alex aka Havoc, who I have to say,

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<v Speaker 3>very disappointing behavior from him here. She's basically just like,

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<v Speaker 3>remember when we were X men and we meant something

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<v Speaker 3>and we weren't just like government hound dogs. She like

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<v Speaker 3>fucking chasing kids, like remember that? And she leaves and

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<v Speaker 3>she's like, guess what. Luckily, in this world there's always

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<v Speaker 3>somewhere for lost mutants to go. Oh, the sun rises

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<v Speaker 3>on the beautiful Charles Xavier's school for young child Soldiers

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<v Speaker 3>or gifted youngsters, whichever way you want to call it.

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<v Speaker 3>We get, for a moment at least finally Headmaster Storm,

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<v Speaker 3>which I was just like, oh my god, finally.

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<v Speaker 1>Get by it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna talk about this. There's a lot of breezing

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<v Speaker 2>by here. And then.

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<v Speaker 3>We see that Charles has this group of young mutants,

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<v Speaker 3>including Quentin Choir. We also see Pennance. You know, he

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<v Speaker 3>has them in the danger room. He's going to train

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<v Speaker 3>them how to survive. It's very scary, and I gotta say, Charles,

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't feel like going in the sentient robot

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<v Speaker 3>prison this soon after she was sassy to you is

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<v Speaker 3>a good idea, but whatever. Anyway, Polaris shows up great,

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<v Speaker 3>she's so happy to be there, but no one is there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was like, oh my god, Charles is stuck

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<v Speaker 2>in the danger room. How can he do this?

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<v Speaker 3>But instead we see her have this kind of nostalgic

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<v Speaker 3>wander around. She looks around her old place. She finds

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<v Speaker 3>her room has not been changed. Charles told them not

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<v Speaker 3>to change it. We get photos here of her with

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<v Speaker 3>other teammates, of her with habit, of her growing up

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<v Speaker 3>in the X mansion, and I thought we were gonna

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<v Speaker 3>get like a jump scare here with danger, but no,

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<v Speaker 3>it's actually Beast, Gene and Scott, and it is this

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<v Speaker 3>really nice reunion moment and they kind of say, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 3>you've got to go talk to Charles. I know you're

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<v Speaker 3>mad at him, but let's go and talk. And they

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<v Speaker 3>have this really beautiful, unexpectedly kind of peaceful tea sequence

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<v Speaker 3>which is so Charles Xavier, where they drink this beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>teapot and they kind of talk about how she never

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<v Speaker 3>really knew Magneo. She doesn't know who Magnus was, she

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't know what he was like as a father. Charles

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<v Speaker 3>is really the person who raised her, and look, I just.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, man. I'm just like, I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>if I can do it. I don't know who I am.

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<v Speaker 3>And Charles's like, look, I'm going to Junosha, I gotta

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<v Speaker 3>go think about my boyfriend's and more Storm's gonna be headmaster.

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<v Speaker 3>Finally she's the right choice. And Polaris is like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>do you think people are gonna care? Like, do you

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<v Speaker 3>think the kids are gonna be worried? Because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like blowing up terrorists on TV and it's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of gone viral.

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<v Speaker 2>And Charles is like, nah, Wolverine was their teacher, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, they've seen it's people be murdered. That's

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<v Speaker 2>definitely the implication that unfortune.

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<v Speaker 3>Just as Charles leaves, we join the students, oh, including Chamber,

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<v Speaker 3>my fav Penance, quent in Choire in the Danger Room,

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<v Speaker 3>where Wing, who we mentioned last week, is manipulated into

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<v Speaker 3>essentially dying in the comics here is saved by a

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<v Speaker 3>little badass Bishop Storm Polari's kind of power team up.

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<v Speaker 2>To bring him back to life. Really nice moment.

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<v Speaker 3>I love the Bishop Storm stuff here so fun and

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<v Speaker 3>the Bishop Polari is stuff because they kind of play

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<v Speaker 3>on how their powers can work together this episode in

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<v Speaker 3>a really nice way. Soon, though, Bishop and Polaris are

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<v Speaker 3>fighting against danger because Charles is insane, like personal use

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<v Speaker 3>of the Danger Room and specifically when he said I

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<v Speaker 3>need to prepare the children for a world after Magneto,

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<v Speaker 3>he meant more like emotionally she is now like okay,

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<v Speaker 3>well I guess that means apocalypse because she is sentient.

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<v Speaker 3>And so she's locked down the entire school and she

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<v Speaker 3>is trying to train them for apocalypses nightmare future. But

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<v Speaker 3>it is really bad. Things are going very very badly.

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<v Speaker 3>She's manipulating Polaris.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, you're just like your dad. You want to

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<v Speaker 2>be a goodie, but you're just a villain.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we kind of see this great, incredible moment

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<v Speaker 3>where we get to see Danger kind of emerge into

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<v Speaker 3>her humanoid kind of robot form out of all these

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<v Speaker 3>pieces of you know, trash metal. I want to say, Jason,

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<v Speaker 3>I think this is where the first big kind of

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<v Speaker 3>deviation feels like they don't really lean into the whole.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Charles knew she was sentient, and I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of changes there.

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<v Speaker 3>So instead of following that route, we then see Danger

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<v Speaker 3>in her new form essentially head to Genosha to fight Charles.

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<v Speaker 3>She's like, I'm sick of this guy. I gotta teach

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<v Speaker 3>him if he wants to beat Apocalypse. This is what's coming.

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<v Speaker 3>So Bishop and Polares head off to take on Danger

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<v Speaker 3>and why on Genosha. Charles is basically there feeling emo.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, what would Magneto do? Gene and Scott and

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<v Speaker 3>Beast are light laying flowers and they're kind of like, look,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever happens, we'll follow you. And that is lucky because

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<v Speaker 3>Dangeroum is about to arrive and she is fucking pissed

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<v Speaker 3>at Charles and is ready to blow up the X

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<v Speaker 3>Men and Genosha again. Every time Charles goes there gets

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<v Speaker 3>blown up. Let's toss to an ad break and we

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<v Speaker 3>will be right back. Yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So Danger arrives and.

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<v Speaker 4>Gene and Scott pull a crazy like polyamory move which

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<v Speaker 4>I've never seen before, where Gene manifests Wolverine's clause psychically

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<v Speaker 4>and Scott shoots through them, creating kind of like multiple

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<v Speaker 4>reflected optic blasts.

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<v Speaker 1>That was really cool. That was crazy, right, That was

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<v Speaker 1>like a Marvel video game move, Like I've never seen that,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was cool me neither.

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<v Speaker 3>And the best thing about it was they were kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like the reason that they invented this move is

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<v Speaker 3>because Danger.

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<v Speaker 2>They go, oh my god, she knows all our moves, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because the dangerom has been teaching them and then they

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<v Speaker 2>go not this one, and I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, cause you motherfucking freaks and doing that share

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<v Speaker 3>in the bedroom. The Danger Room does not know nothing

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<v Speaker 3>about that, but you know what it worked. Danger Is

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<v Speaker 3>basically also very interestingly characterized her where she's just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of terrorizing Chuck and we don't really know why, but

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<v Speaker 3>it seems basically here that she's evolved simply to train

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<v Speaker 3>him to survive no matter what, including from her own attacks. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's like an extreme kind of like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>in Chucky those movies, it's like he wants to protect

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<v Speaker 3>the kid and he kills people for it. This is

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like a really extreme sci fi version of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel, Yeah, I think that that her goal is

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<v Speaker 1>to get the X Men as warlike and powerful as

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<v Speaker 1>possible so that they can di and themselves against apocalypse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And this is a really interesting moment too, because

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<v Speaker 3>it seems like things are, you know, going.

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<v Speaker 2>Not too well, but Polaris appears.

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<v Speaker 3>We love Laura this big launa episode, and Dangers basically like, look,

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<v Speaker 3>we're both her because our dad suck. Also their boyfriends like,

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<v Speaker 3>what the fuck is that about? They are so focused

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<v Speaker 3>on each other. They don't focus on us, but Polara's

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<v Speaker 3>is not in any way buying it, and she kind

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<v Speaker 3>of remembers all of the things that she's learned from

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<v Speaker 3>Charles about her dad and about herself, and very interestingly

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<v Speaker 3>to note here, Polaris has the same powers as her dad,

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<v Speaker 3>which is very rare in the comics. She also has

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<v Speaker 3>magnetic powers, which is one of the reasons that they

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<v Speaker 3>became related, though that is not continued in most other

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<v Speaker 3>mutant families. So she has these very rare metal powers

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<v Speaker 3>and she uses them to take down to take down Danger,

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<v Speaker 3>who explodes as she obviously says, Oh, Survival of.

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<v Speaker 2>The Fittest and very scary.

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<v Speaker 3>We think that's apocalypse and it seems like she's done,

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<v Speaker 3>but no, she appears again, and this is when Charles

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<v Speaker 3>does what he does best.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, Hey, Lorna, you gotta do something extremely dangerous.

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta harness all your powers, you gotta find all

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<v Speaker 3>the electromagnetic energy in the atmosphere, and you gotta fucking

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<v Speaker 3>explode Danger.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's like, no, I can't control myself. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to lose control.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's like, don't worry, I'm gonna psychically connect with you,

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<v Speaker 3>and then we are gonna make it so that you

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<v Speaker 3>get your dear old dad and your brain and your

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<v Speaker 3>heart and your soul, and you're gonna use his powers

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<v Speaker 3>and embrace all of who you are. And she does it,

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<v Speaker 3>and she destroys danger and saves the day and proves

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<v Speaker 3>that she is a true X man. We also get

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<v Speaker 3>really cool vision of her powers here and both her

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<v Speaker 3>and Charles, because Charles has been talking throughout the episode

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<v Speaker 3>about how he really needs to connect with Magnus. He's

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<v Speaker 3>hoping a part of him is still in his memory,

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<v Speaker 3>which obviously we know could lead in certain ways that.

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<v Speaker 5>Could lead to something clearly yeah, and he says He's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I couldn't feel that before, but now, he says,

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<v Speaker 5>after him and Lorna connected, she says, I feel a

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<v Speaker 5>part of him inside me and Charles says I do too.

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<v Speaker 3>So huge moment here and we finished the episode with it,

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<v Speaker 3>even huger moment that was crazy to me, where essentially

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<v Speaker 3>Charles realizes he can no longer work in the United

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<v Speaker 3>States with Valcoopa. They are too aggressive against mutants, So

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<v Speaker 3>he is launching a new thing that is not a school.

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<v Speaker 2>It is instead a corporation X Corp. On Genosha. You'll

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<v Speaker 2>have heard of it if you like the comics.

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<v Speaker 3>It's also an interesting statement right now on how it's

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<v Speaker 3>easier to be a corporation than, you know, a government entity.

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<v Speaker 2>Seems like the government is not.

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<v Speaker 3>Too happy about it, but Chuck has bigger issues because

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<v Speaker 3>he can sense that apocalypse is rising.

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<v Speaker 2>We get this great moment here, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Where we see the team in ex corp in The Men,

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<v Speaker 3>the New X Men. They built it so quick. A

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<v Speaker 3>lot of things are happening here. I don't know, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>Polares did.

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<v Speaker 2>It, but they launch it.

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<v Speaker 3>And they also have incredible new suits inspired by the

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<v Speaker 3>frank quietly New X Men suits. Looks great to see

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<v Speaker 3>them on screen, but also crazy. They got that together

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<v Speaker 3>so fast. But it's okay because it had to happen

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<v Speaker 3>fast because the moment they sit down, Charles consents the

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<v Speaker 3>apocalypse is rising. He said it's coming apocalypse, and you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, he's actually right because we get what another

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<v Speaker 3>We were right here, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been saying it for a long time. This will happens.

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<v Speaker 3>When you read the comics, you get the magical arcane

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<v Speaker 3>law of the X Men. Uh, he's making a fourth

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<v Speaker 3>horseman or a number one of his fourth horsemen. We

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, but there's gonna be four of them, and

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<v Speaker 3>this one is horribly familiar as we see the pink

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<v Speaker 3>cards begin to shine and his zombifide face appear.

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<v Speaker 2>Could it be heated? Is it he it is? It's gambit,

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<v Speaker 2>he's back as one of Apocalypses four Horsemen.

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<v Speaker 1>Take a quick break off, we read back to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, and we're back. Okay, here's one thing that

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<v Speaker 1>really stood out to me from this episode, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think we have to say it is speeding past massive developments, world, huge.

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<v Speaker 3>Huge storyhocks being condensed into the all moments here.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think the one thing that really jumped out

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<v Speaker 1>to me is Charles was a piece of shit over

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<v Speaker 1>the course of not a piece of shit. Charles was

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<v Speaker 1>an absent Fellows well, they all are. He was like,

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<v Speaker 1>he was irretrievably naive in season one about the nature

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<v Speaker 1>of the relationship between mutants and humans and what was

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<v Speaker 1>possible in so far this season, And it's really just

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<v Speaker 1>this episode because Charles has kind of been like, other

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<v Speaker 1>than witness his death, we haven't seen a lot from

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<v Speaker 1>him Charles's kind of Charles is right right now. Charles

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<v Speaker 1>is on the right side of history right now. And

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<v Speaker 1>obviously a big change in that is you mentioned it

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<v Speaker 1>changing the trigger for the formation of Danger from Charles.

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<v Speaker 1>In the comics, the Danger Room is upgraded with shy

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<v Speaker 1>our hard light technology and becomes sentient, and Charles knows it,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've mentioned this and locks Danger away and refuses

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<v Speaker 1>to acknowledge that it's alive, keeps it trapped, keeps it,

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<v Speaker 1>keeps it in a state of imprisonment for a long

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<v Speaker 1>time until it eventually kills the student and breaks down

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<v Speaker 1>on it. So in this show, it's the constant confrontation

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<v Speaker 1>with the true existential danger of apocalypse that triggers Danger

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<v Speaker 1>into being like, you guys aren't going hard enough. You

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<v Speaker 1>need to come alive and teach you all how to

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<v Speaker 1>truly fight and defeat Apocalypse. Like it is Danger inspired

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<v Speaker 1>to raise the X Men's game that breaks Danger out,

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<v Speaker 1>and because of that, it takes a huge sin off

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<v Speaker 1>of Charles Ller's resume, And we see Charles here grapple

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<v Speaker 1>with the fact that the US government and the governments

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<v Speaker 1>of the world are never going to really respect mutants

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<v Speaker 1>unless we have a power base of our own that

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<v Speaker 1>rivals there they particularly the US government in the West.

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<v Speaker 1>Their respect for something rises in relation to its like

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<v Speaker 1>ability to generate profit. Therefore, I'm going to create X

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<v Speaker 1>corp As like this mutant Outreach corporation that also I'm

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<v Speaker 1>guessing because they don't really flesh it out, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>guessing much like the Krakoa era in the comics, he's

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<v Speaker 1>harnessing mutant power to create new drugs or create new

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<v Speaker 1>technologies that he would then license to the world and

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<v Speaker 1>and generate profits that he would then use to like

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<v Speaker 1>invest in mutant kind, invest in protections for mutant kind,

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<v Speaker 1>invest in you know, hearting the defenses of the ex

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<v Speaker 1>corp base, et cetera. And so you have to say,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Charles's kind of Charles's on a heater right now.

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<v Speaker 2>He is.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, man, he he's a flawed player, we often say,

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<v Speaker 3>very selfish, not going to cross.

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<v Speaker 2>Him the bowl.

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<v Speaker 3>But there they're fraud But in this case, currently he's

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<v Speaker 3>on the op Jason, and that is the X men way, right, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Magnesums among them are not who among them?

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<v Speaker 2>Who is among us is not flawed?

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<v Speaker 5>Do you know?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like Logan is Logan was a former government

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<v Speaker 1>assassin who has killed thousands of people probably over the

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<v Speaker 1>course of.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and also like four in the like civil war,

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<v Speaker 2>probably killed a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of people cyclops and gene loving parents, but not exactly

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<v Speaker 1>like in the mix raising any with raising any of

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<v Speaker 1>their children Polaris up five minutes ago was like a

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<v Speaker 1>government government lackey hunting their own kind. Like, so they're all,

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<v Speaker 1>they're all right, listen, this is it's a process where

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<v Speaker 1>they're all trying to figure out like what the best

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<v Speaker 1>way forward is. And and you know, I'm giving Charles

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<v Speaker 1>grace even though we show we have brutally criticized him

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<v Speaker 1>in the past.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes you gotta say when a win is a win,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, And obviously this is this is very us

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<v Speaker 3>as comic book fans too. It's exciting for Charles Xavier

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<v Speaker 3>fans because honestly, a lot of us are.

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<v Speaker 2>Charles Xavier haters.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we've had Steph Williams on the show, comic writer,

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<v Speaker 3>friend of the pod, very big Charles here, like we

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<v Speaker 3>rag on him a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is actually a big win for Chuck.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a nice reimagining, especially as we head

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<v Speaker 3>into a space where we're gonna need like a leader

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<v Speaker 3>you can root for, right, they couldn't do the danger

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<v Speaker 3>stuff and then immediately say, oh, well, here's your Charles

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<v Speaker 3>who's gonna lead X Corp. Which shall we talk about that, Jesson?

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<v Speaker 3>Shall I talk a little bit about Xcorp in the comics?

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<v Speaker 3>And kind of yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of Grant Morrison, a lord.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Grant Morrison, and this special.

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<v Speaker 1>Morrison meets Joss Whedon, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy crazy times that you know us twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>That's like the dream crossover, right, So X cop is

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<v Speaker 3>introduced in New X Men, but it's introduced in an annual,

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<v Speaker 3>which means that you know, Francis Lennolu one of the

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<v Speaker 3>best to ever do it, and Grant Morrison are the

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<v Speaker 3>ones who bring them in.

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<v Speaker 2>And and this is very funny because this is something

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<v Speaker 2>Grant likes to do.

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<v Speaker 3>He essentially introduces like an internationalized version of a team.

0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:09.480
<v Speaker 2>So he did it with later with Batman Inc.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and he did it here first with X Corp

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<v Speaker 3>and JLA, right, which was probably the first place he

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<v Speaker 3>did it. So here we get this idea where after

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<v Speaker 3>basically coming out publicly as a mutant, which is kind

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<v Speaker 3>of similar analogous here to him coming back to life

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<v Speaker 3>at the end of season one.

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<v Speaker 2>Charles basically starts X Corp.

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<v Speaker 3>As a kind of mutant rights investigation organization, but that

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<v Speaker 3>then becomes an international arm where he can have X

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<v Speaker 3>Corps all over the world with different X men. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's exactly like you said, Jason, and I do think

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<v Speaker 3>the connection that you made were very interesting between how

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<v Speaker 3>this could potentially link to Krocoa and how X Corp

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<v Speaker 3>could be the face of the Krocohen drug market, the

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<v Speaker 3>Crocohen plants, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what will happen, what has to happen, is

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<v Speaker 1>X Corp will be destroyed somehow, and either by a

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<v Speaker 1>No More Mutants style event or some.

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<v Speaker 2>Like accumute and uprising like what happened after m.

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<v Speaker 1>Day right, something like that that forces mutants, once they

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<v Speaker 1>come back and once they're able to repopulate, to think

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<v Speaker 1>much much much bigger, think nation state, not just like

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<v Speaker 1>a corporate headquarters. And so I do think that we

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<v Speaker 1>are evolving towards crooko Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so too. I think that's what they're setting

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<v Speaker 2>up here.

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<v Speaker 3>We also kind of teased it when we talked a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit about.

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<v Speaker 2>Charles feeling Magneto in his brain.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, let's talk a little bit about Onslaught, baby,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's we've been teasing.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been talking about this.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you first bought it up at the end

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<v Speaker 3>of season one when we were trying to work out

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<v Speaker 3>where they were going then and now it is finally

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<v Speaker 3>coming to fruition. Jason, talk a little bit about what's

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<v Speaker 3>making us think Onslaught.

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<v Speaker 1>Onslaught in the comics, Onslaught is the is a psionic entity.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like a psychic villain of pure psychic energy

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<v Speaker 1>that was born when Xavier's mind absorbed Magneto's like anger,

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<v Speaker 1>rage and his essence basically, and when those two things merged,

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<v Speaker 1>they created this, this being of pure energy that has

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<v Speaker 1>the power of Charles's mind and telepathic powers and the

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<v Speaker 1>anger and fury at the state of the world encompassed

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<v Speaker 1>by by Magneto. So it it. I mean, this has

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<v Speaker 1>to be where they're going, has.

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<v Speaker 3>To be definitely, especially because so much of what Onslaught

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<v Speaker 3>does is also connected to like sentinel technology and trying

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<v Speaker 3>to take over the Sentinels and build a sentinel army

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<v Speaker 3>that can use psionic energy and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been getting so much sentinel stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Here we see the kids fighting different kinds of sentinels

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<v Speaker 3>in the danger room. Here futuristic ones, ones who look

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<v Speaker 3>like humans. So we're really getting to see them set

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<v Speaker 3>this up now. I guess the big question, Jason is

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<v Speaker 3>do we see an onslaught tease at the end of

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<v Speaker 3>this season? Is that the post kind of apocalypse next

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<v Speaker 3>big threat for season three?

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<v Speaker 1>They have to do it right somehow, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they're already teasing Onslaught. The question is will we see

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<v Speaker 1>onslaught or.

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<v Speaker 3>Like an acknowledgement or a you know, I right, this

0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:38.760
<v Speaker 3>show does love to do a little they We even

0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:40.840
<v Speaker 3>got it here, whether he was like it's coming and

0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:43.200
<v Speaker 3>they were like what an he went apocalypse? I could

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<v Speaker 3>definitely imagine them, you know, doing a kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>wait till they get a load of me sort of

0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:50.760
<v Speaker 3>moment at the end where Charles looks up and he

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<v Speaker 3>does an evil look and says like the Onslaught is coming,

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<v Speaker 3>or so.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they like a kind of cheesy like saying

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of like like some psychic attack that they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>what was that?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, Jason, you make a great point. It could be

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:10.280
<v Speaker 3>an incredible cliffhanger because also I think that the notion

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:13.400
<v Speaker 3>of a psychic attack is so much better understood now

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:17.000
<v Speaker 3>in the wider comic book movie watching fandom, because I think,

0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:19.119
<v Speaker 3>one the boys, they've done tons of stuff like that.

0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:20.920
<v Speaker 2>But also think about Logan.

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<v Speaker 3>That is such a heartbreaking, incredible film that so many

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<v Speaker 3>people have seen, and that is very heavily based on

0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:30.600
<v Speaker 3>the fact that Charles has this kind of terrible psionic

0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:33.640
<v Speaker 3>seizure and kills like tons of the X Men. So

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<v Speaker 3>I love the notion that maybe what happens at the

0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:39.960
<v Speaker 3>end is we get we get this triumphant end of

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 3>Apocalypse fingers crossed. You know, he's Apocalypse, He's going to

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<v Speaker 3>come back, but hopefully they kill him this time, and

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<v Speaker 3>then you know, this kind of shocking aftermath of an

0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 3>attack and only we know, you know, the dramatic irony

0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 3>is there, the teaser is there that we potentially know

0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:57.479
<v Speaker 3>who really was behind it, and it was you know,

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<v Speaker 3>this version of Charles.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, oh my god, I would add love to see that.

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<v Speaker 2>I am so fucking excited if that happens. We've kind

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<v Speaker 2>of been on a tear with this.

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<v Speaker 3>Jason, you mentioned this earlier, and actually I would so

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<v Speaker 3>we can use it. We didn't really, I didn't feel

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<v Speaker 3>it too hard in this episode even I mean I

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:16.200
<v Speaker 3>felt it, but it didn't impact my enjoyment, I should say.

0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 3>But there has been a lot of conversation post episode five.

0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 3>I think it's gonna happen again with this episode. You

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:25.080
<v Speaker 3>touched on it about the speed with which they are

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<v Speaker 3>kind of almost like speed bumping over these huge like

0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:33.440
<v Speaker 3>moments in comic book history, these huge arcs, and let's say, guys,

0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:37.200
<v Speaker 3>this run by Chris Claremont to where we are now,

0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 3>it was like fourteen years and we've already passed that.

0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:41.920
<v Speaker 2>We're now in the nineties, so you're talking about twenty

0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:42.560
<v Speaker 2>years this stuff.

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:47.000
<v Speaker 3>There was so much two or three right, Yes, we're

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 3>so past it now, right, so like we're twenty thirty years.

0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:55.120
<v Speaker 1>Even Gambit as Death. I believe it is a post

0:25:55.520 --> 0:26:01.080
<v Speaker 1>m day storylines, so like we're really we're really spread

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:01.960
<v Speaker 1>out here, right.

0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm with that said, I think that's why they have

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 3>to rush it a little bit, because they're covering so much.

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:08.679
<v Speaker 2>But how do you feel about it, Jason?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mind. But part of the reason I don't

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:13.639
<v Speaker 1>mind is because I know these stories so well. I

0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.399
<v Speaker 1>do feel as if it would have been better had

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:21.560
<v Speaker 1>they focused more on here's my focus, more on the

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Apocalypse arc and maybe season him if you want, Like

0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:28.920
<v Speaker 1>you can have a bottle here and there, but it's

0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:34.440
<v Speaker 1>gotta link back to the struggle against Apocalypse somehow. Overall,

0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:37.080
<v Speaker 1>I think about like Season one was so much better

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<v Speaker 1>at having this kind of like over our child, and

0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:44.640
<v Speaker 1>so part of me worries that part of me worries

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:49.600
<v Speaker 1>that this is because they're going to cancel the show

0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:52.560
<v Speaker 1>and they're just like shoving everything together. I do like

0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:55.400
<v Speaker 1>I that that does kind of worry me a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>like why why rush everything out like this?

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<v Speaker 3>I am I'm glad you brought that up, because I

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:06.160
<v Speaker 3>do fear that I really enjoyed weapons, lies and DVDs.

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:08.960
<v Speaker 2>But again, weaponex lives and DVDs. The reason we enjoyed

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:09.680
<v Speaker 2>it is because.

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:11.920
<v Speaker 3>It was so specifically made for us, Like the reason

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 3>that we were so on point that people thought we'd

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 3>pre watch stuff was because this was the shit that

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 3>we were like raised on.

0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:19.880
<v Speaker 2>But that is not how it is for everyone.

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 3>And some people who were really into the Apocalypse storyline

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:25.719
<v Speaker 3>of those first four episodes, which are very epic. That

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.920
<v Speaker 3>fifth episode was like completely baffling to them when.

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Did it happen? And I have to say I did also.

0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:34.160
<v Speaker 3>Wonder when it happened in the timeline, how does it connect?

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:36.840
<v Speaker 3>Who are these characters, what are their connections? You know,

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 3>we had so much fun with that banter. But I

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:42.080
<v Speaker 3>do think that that being a bottle episode and then

0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 3>this essentially being another bottle episode that do not directly

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 3>connect to that is probably gonna start to rub viewership

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:53.400
<v Speaker 3>up the wrong way. And I wonder if we could

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:56.159
<v Speaker 3>end up in a situation with less viewers by the

0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 3>end of the season.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think they did a poor job of not

0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:07.160
<v Speaker 1>having one scene in each episode, each previous episode that's

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:13.159
<v Speaker 1>just about Wolverine dealing without with having bone claws. You know,

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:16.720
<v Speaker 1>it just feels like a very quick turnaround to be like, Okay,

0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:21.600
<v Speaker 1>season one, they rip out Wolverine's adamantium and then like

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 1>basically in the middle of the first full episode focused

0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 1>on him. In the following season, he gets them back,

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:32.119
<v Speaker 1>He gets it back. It just is a very fast turnaround.

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 1>We're or you know, like I how long is Magneto

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 1>going to be dead for like, it's exactly like we're

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 1>going to bring him back really soon, probably before. It

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 1>seems like a lot of characters that have died will

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 1>probably bring back a little too quickly for me. Now

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:51.120
<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. For those of us who watched X Men,

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 1>the animated series, this is exactly the pacing of each episode.

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:59.320
<v Speaker 1>It was like extremely extremely condensed plot arcs. Sometimes I

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 1>would do it, you know, but it would be like

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't fold over the course of like an episode.

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.520
<v Speaker 1>But the thing was, there were like twenty episodes of season. Yeah,

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 1>twenty two episodes a season. Now we're half that, and

0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 1>it just makes the uh, it makes the speed and

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>rapidity and the density of the story that much more jarring.

0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I do agree. Now listen, I'm enjoying

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the season all one. Me too, but I do think

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 1>it's moving too fast. I think they can milk it.

0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 2>I think I agree. I think they can milk it.

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 3>And also think about the things that we remember from

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 3>the first original show, right that is all the crazy adaptations,

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 3>but there's also those quiet moments, the baseball scenes, the

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, Vogue learning something from Wolverine like that, the

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 3>cooking you know, Gene cooking in the kitchen and not

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:55.520
<v Speaker 3>seasoning it enough for Gambit, like those became like legendary

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.240
<v Speaker 3>moments because you had the space to let the characters

0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:00.880
<v Speaker 3>breathe and live and do the op opera.

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 2>I think that we are understandably because those could.

0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:06.960
<v Speaker 3>Be argued by some to be filler episodes, though I

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 3>do not agree. They are obviously like we're going all killer,

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 3>no filler, like all action, everything is happening. I love that,

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 3>but I do wish we could spend a little bit

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 3>more time with Like Wolverine wasn't really sad in this.

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 3>He wasn't sad or depressed. He was like angry and

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 3>kind of just doing his thing.

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 2>I also will.

0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:28.160
<v Speaker 3>Say, just on like a character level, I don't think

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 3>that Wolverine would like fake. I think he would want

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 3>to go to weapon next because there was like loads

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:36.360
<v Speaker 3>of kids there who need saving, not like to get

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 3>his adamantium back.

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Like I did feel like that was a weird character being.

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I also feel like I also found it strange that

0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 1>he would light everybody because he wants his adamantium back.

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 1>In the comics, he doesn't have his adamantium for like like.

0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it was like it was a long time cause.

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 1>He didn't have it and and he didn't miss it

0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:58.720
<v Speaker 1>like he it's not like he was if his bone

0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 1>claws got chopped or broke or they just grew back

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:01.960
<v Speaker 1>like it was.

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 2>He still has the healing fact though.

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>He still hasn't and they really amped it up like

0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 1>in the two thousands, Like there were moments in the

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:11.400
<v Speaker 1>two thousands where he got reduced to like a spec

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 1>of like flesh after getting incinerated and crew I was

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna say, so, so I did find that strange that.

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he definitely like used to be able to get

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 3>shot by like four hundred bullets.

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like.

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 3>All hals and just kind of let's talk about the.

0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Ending Gambit as death. This was so, this was I

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 1>believe this is so. This is post m day two

0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 1>thousand and six.

0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 2>We're already we're in it.

0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 1>In two thousands. Gambit is death. It does happen in

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:53.480
<v Speaker 1>the comics. In the it happens in the wake of

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 1>decimation day Scarlet, which is normal mutants event. Apocalypse returns

0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 1>gambits him out, believing that a reborn Apocalypse might be

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 1>able to help, you know, bring me back bring the

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>mood back, and so Gambit joins willingly isn't he isn't resurrected.

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>And then in the I believe in the comics, he

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 1>does try to kill Rogue, but that's because Rogue is

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 1>like he believes that Rogue is like his last attachment

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 1>to his old life.

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Well he is, Yeah, it does happen.

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:32.920
<v Speaker 3>And also he's like manipulated because like he's in the comics,

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 3>it's like he's like, I'm gonna stay awake the whole time,

0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 3>no sedation, so I can make sure you.

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Don't mess around with my brain.

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 3>But obviously Apocalypse always gonna mess around, you know, So Bobby,

0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:47.640
<v Speaker 3>you can't trust him. And there is this very interesting

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 3>duality where we see him kind of struggle between the

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 3>Gambit persona and the Death persona, which I would love

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:53.560
<v Speaker 3>to see.

0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Here. Do I think we're gonna get much of that?

0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Probably not?

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Do I think Let me just under Apocalypse's control until

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:01.720
<v Speaker 3>he's Rogue and obviously show break him out of it.

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Here's here's another here's another criticism, and then we'll we'll

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 1>wrap this up. I think we're overdoing the trope of Gambit.

0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 1>I know you're in there, like.

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:17.240
<v Speaker 2>We did it.

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 1>We did it with Wolverine, when we did it with

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 1>the Yes, and it's just too much of like, come

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:26.000
<v Speaker 1>back to me, gambit. I know that you're in there,

0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>and and so I I I feel that we're going there,

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 1>and I don't want us to go there anyway.

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Can I ask you one last question? Yes, but also

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:36.960
<v Speaker 2>one last question.

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:39.400
<v Speaker 3>Do you think there's any likelihood off the season one

0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 3>he was a big villain. We know in the comics,

0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:43.719
<v Speaker 3>especially if you're looking at Horseman of a Poclyp stuff,

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:46.719
<v Speaker 3>do we see mister sinnis that comeback as an ally

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 3>at the end of this season.

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, if we do Krokoa, he has to come back, right,

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:54.240
<v Speaker 1>So I think that he has to come back because, like,

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:59.080
<v Speaker 1>because the whole thing with Krakoa is the X Men

0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 1>saying this is a place for all mutants, even the

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 1>evil ones, even the former Mutant Supremacists, even the mutant terrorists,

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:10.840
<v Speaker 1>even mister Sinister, and this is going to be a

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 1>mutant nation for all. So I think if they do

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:16.799
<v Speaker 1>if that, if they do do Cracoa, and we're like,

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 1>at least in fictional chronology, we're like, yeah, ten years,

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Like we're pretty close. Yeah, Like we're a couple of

0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:28.920
<v Speaker 1>plot arcs away in the common in comics reality from

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 1>krak CoA happening, yeah, three or three or four like plotter,

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 1>we need a m day and we need some other

0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:36.880
<v Speaker 1>things to happen. But like we're there very close. And

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 1>so I do think he will come back, and in fact,

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:42.839
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if they bring he will come back.

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna come back? I think I think so too.

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:48.120
<v Speaker 2>I think that's my big pictures, Like.

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Probably there's probably one hundred clones of him somewhere, like

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 1>multiple vaults.

0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and let's say Maddie too.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd love to see quick production. Note this weekend, our

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<v Speaker 1>news episode were coming out on Sunday with our full

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<v Speaker 1>Comic Con recap, so don't look for it Saturday, look

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<v Speaker 1>for its Sunday. On the next episodes of Extra Vision,

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<v Speaker 1>We're diving into Comic Con News this Sunday and Morihouse

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