Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for X Men ninety seven
Speaker 1: Season two, episode six, Danger ex E. Hello. My name
Speaker 1: is Jason sebscim He on Rosday Night, and welcome back
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Speaker 2: Last news, In today's episode, we have some big news
Speaker 2: for you. Once again, guys, we were right.
Speaker 3: We are recapping X Men ninety seven episode six, Danger
Speaker 3: dot e x E.
Speaker 2: If you are an online person, you will know that
Speaker 2: this means something bad is going to happen and we
Speaker 2: were right.
Speaker 3: But we're going to talk about what they included, what
Speaker 3: they didn't include from the comics, and how we feel
Speaker 3: coming out.
Speaker 2: Of this episode. But first, who Okay?
Speaker 3: So we begin and Charles is watching Magnus get killed
Speaker 3: by Apocalypse. It's heartbreaking. His eyes are wide.
Speaker 2: Magneto's iconic helmet falls to the ground.
Speaker 3: And just as Charles is about to be stamped on
Speaker 3: by Apocalypse, we learn he's actually in the Danger room,
Speaker 3: just rewatching his boyfriend's death again and again.
Speaker 4: Jason, I do not feel like this is healthy I
Speaker 4: was very worried.
Speaker 1: There should be there should be guardrails on this.
Speaker 2: Yes, there should be guardrails on a lot of things.
Speaker 3: As we will learn in the Danger Room, it quickly
Speaker 3: becomes clear that the relationship that the Danger Room and
Speaker 3: Charles have is pretty sassy, and that her own thoughts
Speaker 3: on how Charles should be processing grief are different than his.
Speaker 3: So the next time he runs it, she essentially like
Speaker 3: turns up the density on the training program and he
Speaker 3: almost gets stomped by the fake apocalypse until he begs
Speaker 3: her to stop, and we start to get a realization
Speaker 3: here that her safety protocols are evolving. Next, we jump
Speaker 3: to a scary ship where a bunch of hooded men
Speaker 3: are who we learn one of is Rever and striker
Speaker 3: Uttoh about to see the purifiers. This mutant hating piece
Speaker 3: of shit arrives on a boat. He's got his purifiers.
Speaker 3: They have some kind of Vibranian mutant killing weapons.
Speaker 2: It seems that they're smuggling. Very interesting to me.
Speaker 3: This is a really cool sequence, really different kind of
Speaker 3: hinting at this kind of occult, weird, very hope Summer's
Speaker 3: ish kind of but like an inversion of it. And yeah,
Speaker 3: they're stopped by X Factors Polaris. She is ready to
Speaker 3: destroy the whole ship. And if you want those big
Speaker 3: action sequences that are gonna make you really love this show,
Speaker 3: this is one of them. It's a container ship. She's
Speaker 3: throwing it up in the air. She's going crazy, and
Speaker 3: she's ready to explode the whole ship. Val Cooper is
Speaker 3: basically just like, please don't do this, like you're showboating,
Speaker 3: you're making us look bad.
Speaker 2: And also, how do you think this makes people think?
Speaker 3: Seeing as a your dad's magneto. So we get the
Speaker 3: confirmation again that magneto here is Lorna's far other at
Speaker 3: just like in some of the comics. And more importantly
Speaker 3: for her right now though, is she's fired from X
Speaker 3: Factor and that's kind of good because she feels like, well,
Speaker 3: there's these anti mutant terrorists, I'm stopping them. Why are
Speaker 3: you controlling me and not them? So as she leaves,
Speaker 3: she rags on Alex aka Havoc, who I have to say,
Speaker 3: very disappointing behavior from him here. She's basically just like,
Speaker 3: remember when we were X men and we meant something
Speaker 3: and we weren't just like government hound dogs. She like
Speaker 3: fucking chasing kids, like remember that? And she leaves and
Speaker 3: she's like, guess what. Luckily, in this world there's always
Speaker 3: somewhere for lost mutants to go. Oh, the sun rises
Speaker 3: on the beautiful Charles Xavier's school for young child Soldiers
Speaker 3: or gifted youngsters, whichever way you want to call it.
Speaker 3: We get, for a moment at least finally Headmaster Storm,
Speaker 3: which I was just like, oh my god, finally.
Speaker 1: Get by it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about this. There's a lot of breezing
Speaker 2: by here. And then.
Speaker 3: We see that Charles has this group of young mutants,
Speaker 3: including Quentin Choir. We also see Pennance. You know, he
Speaker 3: has them in the danger room. He's going to train
Speaker 3: them how to survive. It's very scary, and I gotta say, Charles,
Speaker 3: I just don't feel like going in the sentient robot
Speaker 3: prison this soon after she was sassy to you is
Speaker 3: a good idea, but whatever. Anyway, Polaris shows up great,
Speaker 3: she's so happy to be there, but no one is there.
Speaker 2: So I was like, oh my god, Charles is stuck
Speaker 2: in the danger room. How can he do this?
Speaker 3: But instead we see her have this kind of nostalgic
Speaker 3: wander around. She looks around her old place. She finds
Speaker 3: her room has not been changed. Charles told them not
Speaker 3: to change it. We get photos here of her with
Speaker 3: other teammates, of her with habit, of her growing up
Speaker 3: in the X mansion, and I thought we were gonna
Speaker 3: get like a jump scare here with danger, but no,
Speaker 3: it's actually Beast, Gene and Scott, and it is this
Speaker 3: really nice reunion moment and they kind of say, hey, look,
Speaker 3: you've got to go talk to Charles. I know you're
Speaker 3: mad at him, but let's go and talk. And they
Speaker 3: have this really beautiful, unexpectedly kind of peaceful tea sequence
Speaker 3: which is so Charles Xavier, where they drink this beautiful
Speaker 3: teapot and they kind of talk about how she never
Speaker 3: really knew Magneo. She doesn't know who Magnus was, she
Speaker 3: doesn't know what he was like as a father. Charles
Speaker 3: is really the person who raised her, and look, I just.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man. I'm just like, I'm not sure
Speaker 2: if I can do it. I don't know who I am.
Speaker 3: And Charles's like, look, I'm going to Junosha, I gotta
Speaker 3: go think about my boyfriend's and more Storm's gonna be headmaster.
Speaker 3: Finally she's the right choice. And Polaris is like, well,
Speaker 3: do you think people are gonna care? Like, do you
Speaker 3: think the kids are gonna be worried? Because you know,
Speaker 3: I was like blowing up terrorists on TV and it's
Speaker 3: kind of gone viral.
Speaker 2: And Charles is like, nah, Wolverine was their teacher, don't worry.
Speaker 2: He was like, they've seen it's people be murdered. That's
Speaker 2: definitely the implication that unfortune.
Speaker 3: Just as Charles leaves, we join the students, oh, including Chamber,
Speaker 3: my fav Penance, quent in Choire in the Danger Room,
Speaker 3: where Wing, who we mentioned last week, is manipulated into
Speaker 3: essentially dying in the comics here is saved by a
Speaker 3: little badass Bishop Storm Polari's kind of power team up.
Speaker 2: To bring him back to life. Really nice moment.
Speaker 3: I love the Bishop Storm stuff here so fun and
Speaker 3: the Bishop Polari is stuff because they kind of play
Speaker 3: on how their powers can work together this episode in
Speaker 3: a really nice way. Soon, though, Bishop and Polaris are
Speaker 3: fighting against danger because Charles is insane, like personal use
Speaker 3: of the Danger Room and specifically when he said I
Speaker 3: need to prepare the children for a world after Magneto,
Speaker 3: he meant more like emotionally she is now like okay,
Speaker 3: well I guess that means apocalypse because she is sentient.
Speaker 3: And so she's locked down the entire school and she
Speaker 3: is trying to train them for apocalypses nightmare future. But
Speaker 3: it is really bad. Things are going very very badly.
Speaker 3: She's manipulating Polaris.
Speaker 2: She's like, you're just like your dad. You want to
Speaker 2: be a goodie, but you're just a villain.
Speaker 3: And then we kind of see this great, incredible moment
Speaker 3: where we get to see Danger kind of emerge into
Speaker 3: her humanoid kind of robot form out of all these
Speaker 3: pieces of you know, trash metal. I want to say, Jason,
Speaker 3: I think this is where the first big kind of
Speaker 3: deviation feels like they don't really lean into the whole.
Speaker 2: Like Charles knew she was sentient, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of changes there.
Speaker 3: So instead of following that route, we then see Danger
Speaker 3: in her new form essentially head to Genosha to fight Charles.
Speaker 3: She's like, I'm sick of this guy. I gotta teach
Speaker 3: him if he wants to beat Apocalypse. This is what's coming.
Speaker 3: So Bishop and Polares head off to take on Danger
Speaker 3: and why on Genosha. Charles is basically there feeling emo.
Speaker 3: He's like, what would Magneto do? Gene and Scott and
Speaker 3: Beast are light laying flowers and they're kind of like, look,
Speaker 3: whatever happens, we'll follow you. And that is lucky because
Speaker 3: Dangeroum is about to arrive and she is fucking pissed
Speaker 3: at Charles and is ready to blow up the X
Speaker 3: Men and Genosha again. Every time Charles goes there gets
Speaker 3: blown up. Let's toss to an ad break and we
Speaker 3: will be right back. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: So Danger arrives and.
Speaker 4: Gene and Scott pull a crazy like polyamory move which
Speaker 4: I've never seen before, where Gene manifests Wolverine's clause psychically
Speaker 4: and Scott shoots through them, creating kind of like multiple
Speaker 4: reflected optic blasts.
Speaker 1: That was really cool. That was crazy, right, That was
Speaker 1: like a Marvel video game move, Like I've never seen that,
Speaker 1: but that was cool me neither.
Speaker 3: And the best thing about it was they were kind
Speaker 3: of like the reason that they invented this move is
Speaker 3: because Danger.
Speaker 2: They go, oh my god, she knows all our moves, right,
Speaker 2: because the dangerom has been teaching them and then they
Speaker 2: go not this one, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, cause you motherfucking freaks and doing that share
Speaker 3: in the bedroom. The Danger Room does not know nothing
Speaker 3: about that, but you know what it worked. Danger Is
Speaker 3: basically also very interestingly characterized her where she's just kind
Speaker 3: of terrorizing Chuck and we don't really know why, but
Speaker 3: it seems basically here that she's evolved simply to train
Speaker 3: him to survive no matter what, including from her own attacks. Right,
Speaker 3: Like it's like an extreme kind of like you know,
Speaker 3: in Chucky those movies, it's like he wants to protect
Speaker 3: the kid and he kills people for it. This is
Speaker 3: kind of like a really extreme sci fi version of that.
Speaker 1: I feel, Yeah, I think that that her goal is
Speaker 1: to get the X Men as warlike and powerful as
Speaker 1: possible so that they can di and themselves against apocalypse.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And this is a really interesting moment too, because
Speaker 3: it seems like things are, you know, going.
Speaker 2: Not too well, but Polaris appears.
Speaker 3: We love Laura this big launa episode, and Dangers basically like, look,
Speaker 3: we're both her because our dad suck. Also their boyfriends like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck is that about? They are so focused
Speaker 3: on each other. They don't focus on us, but Polara's
Speaker 3: is not in any way buying it, and she kind
Speaker 3: of remembers all of the things that she's learned from
Speaker 3: Charles about her dad and about herself, and very interestingly
Speaker 3: to note here, Polaris has the same powers as her dad,
Speaker 3: which is very rare in the comics. She also has
Speaker 3: magnetic powers, which is one of the reasons that they
Speaker 3: became related, though that is not continued in most other
Speaker 3: mutant families. So she has these very rare metal powers
Speaker 3: and she uses them to take down to take down Danger,
Speaker 3: who explodes as she obviously says, Oh, Survival of.
Speaker 2: The Fittest and very scary.
Speaker 3: We think that's apocalypse and it seems like she's done,
Speaker 3: but no, she appears again, and this is when Charles
Speaker 3: does what he does best.
Speaker 2: He says, Hey, Lorna, you gotta do something extremely dangerous.
Speaker 3: You gotta harness all your powers, you gotta find all
Speaker 3: the electromagnetic energy in the atmosphere, and you gotta fucking
Speaker 3: explode Danger.
Speaker 2: And she's like, no, I can't control myself. I don't
Speaker 2: want to lose control.
Speaker 3: And he's like, don't worry, I'm gonna psychically connect with you,
Speaker 3: and then we are gonna make it so that you
Speaker 3: get your dear old dad and your brain and your
Speaker 3: heart and your soul, and you're gonna use his powers
Speaker 3: and embrace all of who you are. And she does it,
Speaker 3: and she destroys danger and saves the day and proves
Speaker 3: that she is a true X man. We also get
Speaker 3: really cool vision of her powers here and both her
Speaker 3: and Charles, because Charles has been talking throughout the episode
Speaker 3: about how he really needs to connect with Magnus. He's
Speaker 3: hoping a part of him is still in his memory,
Speaker 3: which obviously we know could lead in certain ways that.
Speaker 5: Could lead to something clearly yeah, and he says He's like, oh,
Speaker 5: you know, I couldn't feel that before, but now, he says,
Speaker 5: after him and Lorna connected, she says, I feel a
Speaker 5: part of him inside me and Charles says I do too.
Speaker 3: So huge moment here and we finished the episode with it,
Speaker 3: even huger moment that was crazy to me, where essentially
Speaker 3: Charles realizes he can no longer work in the United
Speaker 3: States with Valcoopa. They are too aggressive against mutants, So
Speaker 3: he is launching a new thing that is not a school.
Speaker 2: It is instead a corporation X Corp. On Genosha. You'll
Speaker 2: have heard of it if you like the comics.
Speaker 3: It's also an interesting statement right now on how it's
Speaker 3: easier to be a corporation than, you know, a government entity.
Speaker 2: Seems like the government is not.
Speaker 3: Too happy about it, but Chuck has bigger issues because
Speaker 3: he can sense that apocalypse is rising.
Speaker 2: We get this great moment here, guys.
Speaker 3: Where we see the team in ex corp in The Men,
Speaker 3: the New X Men. They built it so quick. A
Speaker 3: lot of things are happening here. I don't know, maybe
Speaker 3: Polares did.
Speaker 2: It, but they launch it.
Speaker 3: And they also have incredible new suits inspired by the
Speaker 3: frank quietly New X Men suits. Looks great to see
Speaker 3: them on screen, but also crazy. They got that together
Speaker 3: so fast. But it's okay because it had to happen
Speaker 3: fast because the moment they sit down, Charles consents the
Speaker 3: apocalypse is rising. He said it's coming apocalypse, and you
Speaker 3: know what, he's actually right because we get what another
Speaker 3: We were right here, guys.
Speaker 2: We've been saying it for a long time. This will happens.
Speaker 3: When you read the comics, you get the magical arcane
Speaker 3: law of the X Men. Uh, he's making a fourth
Speaker 3: horseman or a number one of his fourth horsemen. We
Speaker 3: don't know, but there's gonna be four of them, and
Speaker 3: this one is horribly familiar as we see the pink
Speaker 3: cards begin to shine and his zombifide face appear.
Speaker 2: Could it be heated? Is it he it is? It's gambit,
Speaker 2: he's back as one of Apocalypses four Horsemen.
Speaker 1: Take a quick break off, we read back to discuss
Speaker 1: this episode, and we're back. Okay, here's one thing that
Speaker 1: really stood out to me from this episode, which I
Speaker 1: think we have to say it is speeding past massive developments, world, huge.
Speaker 3: Huge storyhocks being condensed into the all moments here.
Speaker 1: So I think the one thing that really jumped out
Speaker 1: to me is Charles was a piece of shit over
Speaker 1: the course of not a piece of shit. Charles was
Speaker 1: an absent Fellows well, they all are. He was like,
Speaker 1: he was irretrievably naive in season one about the nature
Speaker 1: of the relationship between mutants and humans and what was
Speaker 1: possible in so far this season, And it's really just
Speaker 1: this episode because Charles has kind of been like, other
Speaker 1: than witness his death, we haven't seen a lot from
Speaker 1: him Charles's kind of Charles is right right now. Charles
Speaker 1: is on the right side of history right now. And
Speaker 1: obviously a big change in that is you mentioned it
Speaker 1: changing the trigger for the formation of Danger from Charles.
Speaker 1: In the comics, the Danger Room is upgraded with shy
Speaker 1: our hard light technology and becomes sentient, and Charles knows it,
Speaker 1: and we've mentioned this and locks Danger away and refuses
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that it's alive, keeps it trapped, keeps it,
Speaker 1: keeps it in a state of imprisonment for a long
Speaker 1: time until it eventually kills the student and breaks down
Speaker 1: on it. So in this show, it's the constant confrontation
Speaker 1: with the true existential danger of apocalypse that triggers Danger
Speaker 1: into being like, you guys aren't going hard enough. You
Speaker 1: need to come alive and teach you all how to
Speaker 1: truly fight and defeat Apocalypse. Like it is Danger inspired
Speaker 1: to raise the X Men's game that breaks Danger out,
Speaker 1: and because of that, it takes a huge sin off
Speaker 1: of Charles Ller's resume, And we see Charles here grapple
Speaker 1: with the fact that the US government and the governments
Speaker 1: of the world are never going to really respect mutants
Speaker 1: unless we have a power base of our own that
Speaker 1: rivals there they particularly the US government in the West.
Speaker 1: Their respect for something rises in relation to its like
Speaker 1: ability to generate profit. Therefore, I'm going to create X
Speaker 1: corp As like this mutant Outreach corporation that also I'm
Speaker 1: guessing because they don't really flesh it out, but I'm
Speaker 1: guessing much like the Krakoa era in the comics, he's
Speaker 1: harnessing mutant power to create new drugs or create new
Speaker 1: technologies that he would then license to the world and
Speaker 1: and generate profits that he would then use to like
Speaker 1: invest in mutant kind, invest in protections for mutant kind,
Speaker 1: invest in you know, hearting the defenses of the ex
Speaker 1: corp base, et cetera. And so you have to say,
Speaker 1: I think Charles's kind of Charles's on a heater right now.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 3: Look, man, he he's a flawed player, we often say,
Speaker 3: very selfish, not going to cross.
Speaker 2: Him the bowl.
Speaker 3: But there they're fraud But in this case, currently he's
Speaker 3: on the op Jason, and that is the X men way, right, like.
Speaker 1: Magnesums among them are not who among them?
Speaker 2: Who is among us is not flawed?
Speaker 5: Do you know?
Speaker 1: I mean, like Logan is Logan was a former government
Speaker 1: assassin who has killed thousands of people probably over the
Speaker 1: course of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also like four in the like civil war,
Speaker 2: probably killed a lot.
Speaker 1: Of people cyclops and gene loving parents, but not exactly
Speaker 1: like in the mix raising any with raising any of
Speaker 1: their children Polaris up five minutes ago was like a
Speaker 1: government government lackey hunting their own kind. Like, so they're all,
Speaker 1: they're all right, listen, this is it's a process where
Speaker 1: they're all trying to figure out like what the best
Speaker 1: way forward is. And and you know, I'm giving Charles
Speaker 1: grace even though we show we have brutally criticized him
Speaker 1: in the past.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you gotta say when a win is a win,
Speaker 3: you know, And obviously this is this is very us
Speaker 3: as comic book fans too. It's exciting for Charles Xavier
Speaker 3: fans because honestly, a lot of us are.
Speaker 2: Charles Xavier haters.
Speaker 3: You know, we've had Steph Williams on the show, comic writer,
Speaker 3: friend of the pod, very big Charles here, like we
Speaker 3: rag on him a lot.
Speaker 2: So this is actually a big win for Chuck.
Speaker 3: I think it's a nice reimagining, especially as we head
Speaker 3: into a space where we're gonna need like a leader
Speaker 3: you can root for, right, they couldn't do the danger
Speaker 3: stuff and then immediately say, oh, well, here's your Charles
Speaker 3: who's gonna lead X Corp. Which shall we talk about that, Jesson?
Speaker 3: Shall I talk a little bit about Xcorp in the comics?
Speaker 3: And kind of yeah.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of Grant Morrison, a lord.
Speaker 2: Of Grant Morrison, and this special.
Speaker 1: Morrison meets Joss Whedon, right.
Speaker 2: Crazy crazy times that you know us twenty years ago.
Speaker 3: That's like the dream crossover, right, So X cop is
Speaker 3: introduced in New X Men, but it's introduced in an annual,
Speaker 3: which means that you know, Francis Lennolu one of the
Speaker 3: best to ever do it, and Grant Morrison are the
Speaker 3: ones who bring them in.
Speaker 2: And and this is very funny because this is something
Speaker 2: Grant likes to do.
Speaker 3: He essentially introduces like an internationalized version of a team.
Speaker 2: So he did it with later with Batman Inc.
Speaker 3: Right, and he did it here first with X Corp
Speaker 3: and JLA, right, which was probably the first place he
Speaker 3: did it. So here we get this idea where after
Speaker 3: basically coming out publicly as a mutant, which is kind
Speaker 3: of similar analogous here to him coming back to life
Speaker 3: at the end of season one.
Speaker 2: Charles basically starts X Corp.
Speaker 3: As a kind of mutant rights investigation organization, but that
Speaker 3: then becomes an international arm where he can have X
Speaker 3: Corps all over the world with different X men. So
Speaker 3: it's exactly like you said, Jason, and I do think
Speaker 3: the connection that you made were very interesting between how
Speaker 3: this could potentially link to Krocoa and how X Corp
Speaker 3: could be the face of the Krocohen drug market, the
Speaker 3: Crocohen plants, et cetera.
Speaker 1: I think what will happen, what has to happen, is
Speaker 1: X Corp will be destroyed somehow, and either by a
Speaker 1: No More Mutants style event or some.
Speaker 2: Like accumute and uprising like what happened after m.
Speaker 1: Day right, something like that that forces mutants, once they
Speaker 1: come back and once they're able to repopulate, to think
Speaker 1: much much much bigger, think nation state, not just like
Speaker 1: a corporate headquarters. And so I do think that we
Speaker 1: are evolving towards crooko Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think so too. I think that's what they're setting
Speaker 2: up here.
Speaker 3: We also kind of teased it when we talked a
Speaker 3: little bit about.
Speaker 2: Charles feeling Magneto in his brain.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's talk a little bit about Onslaught, baby,
Speaker 3: because that's we've been teasing.
Speaker 2: We've been talking about this.
Speaker 3: I think you first bought it up at the end
Speaker 3: of season one when we were trying to work out
Speaker 3: where they were going then and now it is finally
Speaker 3: coming to fruition. Jason, talk a little bit about what's
Speaker 3: making us think Onslaught.
Speaker 1: Onslaught in the comics, Onslaught is the is a psionic entity.
Speaker 1: So it's like a psychic villain of pure psychic energy
Speaker 1: that was born when Xavier's mind absorbed Magneto's like anger,
Speaker 1: rage and his essence basically, and when those two things merged,
Speaker 1: they created this, this being of pure energy that has
Speaker 1: the power of Charles's mind and telepathic powers and the
Speaker 1: anger and fury at the state of the world encompassed
Speaker 1: by by Magneto. So it it. I mean, this has
Speaker 1: to be where they're going, has.
Speaker 3: To be definitely, especially because so much of what Onslaught
Speaker 3: does is also connected to like sentinel technology and trying
Speaker 3: to take over the Sentinels and build a sentinel army
Speaker 3: that can use psionic energy and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: We've been getting so much sentinel stuff.
Speaker 3: Here we see the kids fighting different kinds of sentinels
Speaker 3: in the danger room. Here futuristic ones, ones who look
Speaker 3: like humans. So we're really getting to see them set
Speaker 3: this up now. I guess the big question, Jason is
Speaker 3: do we see an onslaught tease at the end of
Speaker 3: this season? Is that the post kind of apocalypse next
Speaker 3: big threat for season three?
Speaker 1: They have to do it right somehow, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're already teasing Onslaught. The question is will we see
Speaker 1: onslaught or.
Speaker 3: Like an acknowledgement or a you know, I right, this
Speaker 3: show does love to do a little they We even
Speaker 3: got it here, whether he was like it's coming and
Speaker 3: they were like what an he went apocalypse? I could
Speaker 3: definitely imagine them, you know, doing a kind of like
Speaker 3: wait till they get a load of me sort of
Speaker 3: moment at the end where Charles looks up and he
Speaker 3: does an evil look and says like the Onslaught is coming,
Speaker 3: or so.
Speaker 1: You know, they like a kind of cheesy like saying
Speaker 1: some kind of like like some psychic attack that they're like,
Speaker 1: what was that?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Actually, Jason, you make a great point. It could be
Speaker 3: an incredible cliffhanger because also I think that the notion
Speaker 3: of a psychic attack is so much better understood now
Speaker 3: in the wider comic book movie watching fandom, because I think,
Speaker 3: one the boys, they've done tons of stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But also think about Logan.
Speaker 3: That is such a heartbreaking, incredible film that so many
Speaker 3: people have seen, and that is very heavily based on
Speaker 3: the fact that Charles has this kind of terrible psionic
Speaker 3: seizure and kills like tons of the X Men. So
Speaker 3: I love the notion that maybe what happens at the
Speaker 3: end is we get we get this triumphant end of
Speaker 3: Apocalypse fingers crossed. You know, he's Apocalypse, He's going to
Speaker 3: come back, but hopefully they kill him this time, and
Speaker 3: then you know, this kind of shocking aftermath of an
Speaker 3: attack and only we know, you know, the dramatic irony
Speaker 3: is there, the teaser is there that we potentially know
Speaker 3: who really was behind it, and it was you know,
Speaker 3: this version of Charles.
Speaker 2: Ah, oh my god, I would add love to see that.
Speaker 2: I am so fucking excited if that happens. We've kind
Speaker 2: of been on a tear with this.
Speaker 3: Jason, you mentioned this earlier, and actually I would so
Speaker 3: we can use it. We didn't really, I didn't feel
Speaker 3: it too hard in this episode even I mean I
Speaker 3: felt it, but it didn't impact my enjoyment, I should say.
Speaker 3: But there has been a lot of conversation post episode five.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna happen again with this episode. You
Speaker 3: touched on it about the speed with which they are
Speaker 3: kind of almost like speed bumping over these huge like
Speaker 3: moments in comic book history, these huge arcs, and let's say, guys,
Speaker 3: this run by Chris Claremont to where we are now,
Speaker 3: it was like fourteen years and we've already passed that.
Speaker 2: We're now in the nineties, so you're talking about twenty
Speaker 2: years this stuff.
Speaker 3: There was so much two or three right, Yes, we're
Speaker 3: so past it now, right, so like we're twenty thirty years.
Speaker 1: Even Gambit as Death. I believe it is a post
Speaker 1: m day storylines, so like we're really we're really spread
Speaker 1: out here, right.
Speaker 3: I'm with that said, I think that's why they have
Speaker 3: to rush it a little bit, because they're covering so much.
Speaker 2: But how do you feel about it, Jason?
Speaker 1: I don't mind. But part of the reason I don't
Speaker 1: mind is because I know these stories so well. I
Speaker 1: do feel as if it would have been better had
Speaker 1: they focused more on here's my focus, more on the
Speaker 1: Apocalypse arc and maybe season him if you want, Like
Speaker 1: you can have a bottle here and there, but it's
Speaker 1: gotta link back to the struggle against Apocalypse somehow. Overall,
Speaker 1: I think about like Season one was so much better
Speaker 1: at having this kind of like over our child, and
Speaker 1: so part of me worries that part of me worries
Speaker 1: that this is because they're going to cancel the show
Speaker 1: and they're just like shoving everything together. I do like
Speaker 1: I that that does kind of worry me a little bit,
Speaker 1: like why why rush everything out like this?
Speaker 3: I am I'm glad you brought that up, because I
Speaker 3: do fear that I really enjoyed weapons, lies and DVDs.
Speaker 2: But again, weaponex lives and DVDs. The reason we enjoyed
Speaker 2: it is because.
Speaker 3: It was so specifically made for us, Like the reason
Speaker 3: that we were so on point that people thought we'd
Speaker 3: pre watch stuff was because this was the shit that
Speaker 3: we were like raised on.
Speaker 2: But that is not how it is for everyone.
Speaker 3: And some people who were really into the Apocalypse storyline
Speaker 3: of those first four episodes, which are very epic. That
Speaker 3: fifth episode was like completely baffling to them when.
Speaker 2: Did it happen? And I have to say I did also.
Speaker 3: Wonder when it happened in the timeline, how does it connect?
Speaker 3: Who are these characters, what are their connections? You know,
Speaker 3: we had so much fun with that banter. But I
Speaker 3: do think that that being a bottle episode and then
Speaker 3: this essentially being another bottle episode that do not directly
Speaker 3: connect to that is probably gonna start to rub viewership
Speaker 3: up the wrong way. And I wonder if we could
Speaker 3: end up in a situation with less viewers by the
Speaker 3: end of the season.
Speaker 1: Well, I think they did a poor job of not
Speaker 1: having one scene in each episode, each previous episode that's
Speaker 1: just about Wolverine dealing without with having bone claws. You know,
Speaker 1: it just feels like a very quick turnaround to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: season one, they rip out Wolverine's adamantium and then like
Speaker 1: basically in the middle of the first full episode focused
Speaker 1: on him. In the following season, he gets them back,
Speaker 1: He gets it back. It just is a very fast turnaround.
Speaker 1: We're or you know, like I how long is Magneto
Speaker 1: going to be dead for like, it's exactly like we're
Speaker 1: going to bring him back really soon, probably before. It
Speaker 1: seems like a lot of characters that have died will
Speaker 1: probably bring back a little too quickly for me. Now
Speaker 1: here's the thing. For those of us who watched X Men,
Speaker 1: the animated series, this is exactly the pacing of each episode.
Speaker 1: It was like extremely extremely condensed plot arcs. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: would do it, you know, but it would be like
Speaker 1: it wouldn't fold over the course of like an episode.
Speaker 1: But the thing was, there were like twenty episodes of season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty two episodes a season. Now we're half that, and
Speaker 1: it just makes the uh, it makes the speed and
Speaker 1: rapidity and the density of the story that much more jarring.
Speaker 1: And you know, I do agree. Now listen, I'm enjoying
Speaker 1: the season all one. Me too, but I do think
Speaker 1: it's moving too fast. I think they can milk it.
Speaker 2: I think I agree. I think they can milk it.
Speaker 3: And also think about the things that we remember from
Speaker 3: the first original show, right that is all the crazy adaptations,
Speaker 3: but there's also those quiet moments, the baseball scenes, the
Speaker 3: you know, Vogue learning something from Wolverine like that, the
Speaker 3: cooking you know, Gene cooking in the kitchen and not
Speaker 3: seasoning it enough for Gambit, like those became like legendary
Speaker 3: moments because you had the space to let the characters
Speaker 3: breathe and live and do the op opera.
Speaker 2: I think that we are understandably because those could.
Speaker 3: Be argued by some to be filler episodes, though I
Speaker 3: do not agree. They are obviously like we're going all killer,
Speaker 3: no filler, like all action, everything is happening. I love that,
Speaker 3: but I do wish we could spend a little bit
Speaker 3: more time with Like Wolverine wasn't really sad in this.
Speaker 3: He wasn't sad or depressed. He was like angry and
Speaker 3: kind of just doing his thing.
Speaker 2: I also will.
Speaker 3: Say, just on like a character level, I don't think
Speaker 3: that Wolverine would like fake. I think he would want
Speaker 3: to go to weapon next because there was like loads
Speaker 3: of kids there who need saving, not like to get
Speaker 3: his adamantium back.
Speaker 2: Like I did feel like that was a weird character being.
Speaker 1: I also feel like I also found it strange that
Speaker 1: he would light everybody because he wants his adamantium back.
Speaker 1: In the comics, he doesn't have his adamantium for like like.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was like it was a long time cause.
Speaker 1: He didn't have it and and he didn't miss it
Speaker 1: like he it's not like he was if his bone
Speaker 1: claws got chopped or broke or they just grew back
Speaker 1: like it was.
Speaker 2: He still has the healing fact though.
Speaker 1: He still hasn't and they really amped it up like
Speaker 1: in the two thousands, Like there were moments in the
Speaker 1: two thousands where he got reduced to like a spec
Speaker 1: of like flesh after getting incinerated and crew I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, so, so I did find that strange that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he definitely like used to be able to get
Speaker 3: shot by like four hundred bullets.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like.
Speaker 3: All hals and just kind of let's talk about the.
Speaker 1: Ending Gambit as death. This was so, this was I
Speaker 1: believe this is so. This is post m day two
Speaker 1: thousand and six.
Speaker 2: We're already we're in it.
Speaker 1: In two thousands. Gambit is death. It does happen in
Speaker 1: the comics. In the it happens in the wake of
Speaker 1: decimation day Scarlet, which is normal mutants event. Apocalypse returns
Speaker 1: gambits him out, believing that a reborn Apocalypse might be
Speaker 1: able to help, you know, bring me back bring the
Speaker 1: mood back, and so Gambit joins willingly isn't he isn't resurrected.
Speaker 1: And then in the I believe in the comics, he
Speaker 1: does try to kill Rogue, but that's because Rogue is
Speaker 1: like he believes that Rogue is like his last attachment
Speaker 1: to his old life.
Speaker 2: Well he is, Yeah, it does happen.
Speaker 3: And also he's like manipulated because like he's in the comics,
Speaker 3: it's like he's like, I'm gonna stay awake the whole time,
Speaker 3: no sedation, so I can make sure you.
Speaker 2: Don't mess around with my brain.
Speaker 3: But obviously Apocalypse always gonna mess around, you know, So Bobby,
Speaker 3: you can't trust him. And there is this very interesting
Speaker 3: duality where we see him kind of struggle between the
Speaker 3: Gambit persona and the Death persona, which I would love
Speaker 3: to see.
Speaker 2: Here. Do I think we're gonna get much of that?
Speaker 2: Probably not?
Speaker 3: Do I think Let me just under Apocalypse's control until
Speaker 3: he's Rogue and obviously show break him out of it.
Speaker 1: Here's here's another here's another criticism, and then we'll we'll
Speaker 1: wrap this up. I think we're overdoing the trope of Gambit.
Speaker 1: I know you're in there, like.
Speaker 2: We did it.
Speaker 1: We did it with Wolverine, when we did it with
Speaker 1: the Yes, and it's just too much of like, come
Speaker 1: back to me, gambit. I know that you're in there,
Speaker 1: and and so I I I feel that we're going there,
Speaker 1: and I don't want us to go there anyway.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you one last question? Yes, but also
Speaker 2: one last question.
Speaker 3: Do you think there's any likelihood off the season one
Speaker 3: he was a big villain. We know in the comics,
Speaker 3: especially if you're looking at Horseman of a Poclyp stuff,
Speaker 3: do we see mister sinnis that comeback as an ally
Speaker 3: at the end of this season.
Speaker 1: Well, if we do Krokoa, he has to come back, right,
Speaker 1: So I think that he has to come back because, like,
Speaker 1: because the whole thing with Krakoa is the X Men
Speaker 1: saying this is a place for all mutants, even the
Speaker 1: evil ones, even the former Mutant Supremacists, even the mutant terrorists,
Speaker 1: even mister Sinister, and this is going to be a
Speaker 1: mutant nation for all. So I think if they do
Speaker 1: if that, if they do do Cracoa, and we're like,
Speaker 1: at least in fictional chronology, we're like, yeah, ten years,
Speaker 1: Like we're pretty close. Yeah, Like we're a couple of
Speaker 1: plot arcs away in the common in comics reality from
Speaker 1: krak CoA happening, yeah, three or three or four like plotter,
Speaker 1: we need a m day and we need some other
Speaker 1: things to happen. But like we're there very close. And
Speaker 1: so I do think he will come back, and in fact,
Speaker 1: I wonder if they bring he will come back.
Speaker 2: You're gonna come back? I think I think so too.
Speaker 2: I think that's my big pictures, Like.
Speaker 1: Probably there's probably one hundred clones of him somewhere, like
Speaker 1: multiple vaults.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's say Maddie too.
Speaker 1: We'd love to see quick production. Note this weekend, our
Speaker 1: news episode were coming out on Sunday with our full
Speaker 1: Comic Con recap, so don't look for it Saturday, look
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Speaker 1: We're diving into Comic Con News this Sunday and Morihouse
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