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Speaker 1: Wherever you may be and however you may be listening

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Speaker 1: to John middlecof former NFL scout, My buddy at the

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Speaker 1: volume is stopping by building for Jason McIntyre, Colin Wright,

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Speaker 1: Colin Wrong Today listen. I don't know exactly what you

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Speaker 1: can take from the preseason. I do think you do

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Speaker 1: get to see how quarterbacks, like I thought Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: yesterday under it looked like Chicago had a real game plan.

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Speaker 1: You didn't have a great Friday practice. We know stylistically

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Speaker 1: what Ben wants and what Caleb is are not a

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Speaker 1: perfect match. But I as I watched that, I thought, Oh,

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Speaker 1: everybody in Chicago's breathing a sigh of relief. That's my takeaway.

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Speaker 1: They're like Okay, we'll score some touchdowns. Okay, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: look because it's been a choppy camp.

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Speaker 3: That's fair to say.

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Speaker 4: Well, especially when they turn on the Jets and they

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Speaker 4: see their former quarterback Justin Field's not being able to

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Speaker 4: complete a ball. So I think the last forty eight

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Speaker 4: hours for Bears fans, you can take a big, big

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Speaker 4: sigh of relief.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Colin right, Colin wrong. We do it every Monday.

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Speaker 1: Here we go where Colin was right. Sam Darnold and

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks, Yeah, they looked really, really good. I just

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Speaker 1: think John Snyder the GM, they've had three straight back

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Speaker 1: to back to back great drafts. They're just too good.

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Speaker 1: If Jackson Smith and Jigba the Ohio State Bucky, if

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Speaker 1: he can become a number one, and they think he is,

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Speaker 1: I don't think they have a unit that's a problem.

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Speaker 3: This Gray's able.

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Speaker 1: This offensive lineman they got, Oh my god, he's moving

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Speaker 1: Chris Jones around the the loaf of bread. So Seattle

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Speaker 1: Darnold look comfortable. I think when you watch the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: they are a top five or six roster. I really

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Speaker 1: believe that where Colin was raw. I'll get myself another

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Speaker 1: wrong on Jackson Dart. He just looks rody poised. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you put him on a field, you watch justin fields

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Speaker 1: lot of it's coaching, but I felt he was more

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Speaker 1: of a mid second round guy. I've always felt the Giants'

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Speaker 1: talent is I think they're a quarterback away. But he

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Speaker 1: is better and more comfortable than I thought he would be.

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Speaker 3: Even in the.

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Speaker 1: Preseason where Colin was right, I've said the Bengals ownership

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Speaker 1: gets in the way of Joe Burrow. Reportedly they're shopping

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Speaker 1: outside pass rusher Trey Hendrickson, who, by the way, when

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Speaker 1: they were thirty second in the league in defense. You

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Speaker 1: can't ask Joe Burrow to have to win a track

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Speaker 3: Now Kansas City figured it out.

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Speaker 1: They hire spags, they get a great defense, and if

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Speaker 1: Mahomes is off, they can still win a game. So

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Speaker 1: this is what I've been saying for years. I think

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Speaker 1: this year for Burrow, if they don't make the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: he's going to demand to move. Where Colin was raw,

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Speaker 1: there's two things in life I know aren't good for me.

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Speaker 1: But I can't help myself. Cigars and Joe Milton. He

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Speaker 1: didn't have a very good performance. The kid's got a cannon.

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Speaker 1: He is so mercurial, he is so up and down.

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Speaker 1: He's all over the map. This was not good. Took

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Speaker 1: about it. He'll have one or two preseason throws that

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Speaker 2: That where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: What have I said about Mike McDaniel. I know he's smart,

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Speaker 1: but the Dolphins feel like a bowl of jello. Where's

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Speaker 1: the meat in the culture, Where's the meat in the sandwich?

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Speaker 5: and David, you know, not just hey, this team called

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Speaker 5: Let's go to a team that's gonna be able to compete.

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Speaker 5: Let's go to a team where there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: Interesting, go to a team where there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: downplayed Matt Stafford's back injury. It feels more serious. He's

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Speaker 1: contingency plan steps and Bennett's not the answer, and you

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Speaker 1: So this multiple reporting today that I trust is they're

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Speaker 1: crossing their fingers on this stuff like there's a reason

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Speaker 1: So this is probably more serious than I've let on

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Speaker 1: where Colin was right, I've said at the minute Taylor

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Speaker 3: She's going to expand the base. Listen to this.

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Speaker 1: The Chiefs principal owner Clark Hunt said last week, our

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Speaker 1: fan base used to be fifty.

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Speaker 3: To fifty men and women.

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Speaker 1: It's now fifty seven percent of our fans are female,

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Speaker 1: into that. She is a stimulus package with a microphone.

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Speaker 1: She is great for every business. She's likable, she's gifted.

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Speaker 1: Trevion Henderson, the running back out of Ohio State, I

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Speaker 1: and we had said this last year, like very few guys,

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Speaker 1: For the record, the Browns now are officially naming Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 1: Is there week one starting quarterback against the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we knew that. Who's the backup?

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Speaker 1: I know that that's not news news is and the

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Speaker 6: What you meant was who's the fourth string quarterback? That's

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Speaker 6: what you really you're really dying to know.

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Speaker 1: I don't care about the number one guy in the

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Speaker 6: It feels like people don't even care about the Browns.

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Speaker 6: They just care about care about who the fourth string

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Speaker 1: It's like those t Bow teams. He became the team,

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Speaker 1: It's all I cared about. It was like, well, let's

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Speaker 1: just story with Tebow.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, so I thought Caleb.

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Speaker 1: My favorite play with Caleb, honestly, Matt was the screen

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Speaker 1: pass that he dirted, and I was like, yes, I said,

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Speaker 1: it's like being if you ran a movie studio. Not

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Speaker 1: everything has to be Beauty and the Beast or Godfather.

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Speaker 1: What you don't want is a four hundred million dollar bust,

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Speaker 1: negative plays, keep moving forward. So I thought it was

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Speaker 6: It, Well, I don't know about your examples that you

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Speaker 6: Beast and Godfather. That's quite a collection. But no, I

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Speaker 7: Does is he makes the people around him better.

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Speaker 6: And you know you've heard, you know, you heard, like

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Speaker 6: the word of the week was rhythm.

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Speaker 7: You saw him throwing on rhythm.

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Speaker 6: He never had a bad pass protection because the ball

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Speaker 6: think it's everything you're looking for. If you're a Bears fan,

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Speaker 6: You're fired up about the head coach, the play caller.

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Speaker 6: This is a division that has quarterbacks, and Chicago.

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Speaker 6: I would just say it's preseason football, So I'm not

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Speaker 6: a this is a great start. It was a great outing.

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Speaker 6: There's been some up and down reporting about him. In

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Speaker 3: You tell me preseason.

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Speaker 1: I mean there are some times, like let's say the

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Speaker 1: Like I want to see his sets. I want to

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Speaker 1: I don't take a ton from it. I think Jackson

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Speaker 1: keeps getting defensive cultures. So I do think it matters.

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Speaker 1: Do you take anything from preseason anything cement to you,

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Speaker 6: I mean yes and no.

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Speaker 7: Listen, my second and third.

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Speaker 6: Years in the NFL, I basically led the NFL in

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Speaker 6: passing in the preseason in Green Bay, the newspaper nicknamed

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Speaker 6: me mixed to August next year, I've become a starter,

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Speaker 6: and I fall right on my face like it's a

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Speaker 6: I do think it matters, like everything matters, practice matters.

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Speaker 6: How you play in the preseason matters. But to think

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Speaker 6: that they're the same thing, they're just simply not.

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Speaker 6: I think right now, if I'm sitting there after week

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Speaker 6: two of the preseason, I'm really encouraged by Caleb's performance.

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Speaker 6: I'm really encouraged by what I've seen this entire preseason

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Speaker 6: from Jackson Dart And there's a few other people that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm watching a Travan Henderson kick return.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think the word for me in Seattle is identity.

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Speaker 7: Well, the plan is to be a physical, be.

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Speaker 6: The hammer not the nail kind of a run game

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Speaker 3: So years ago we'll end with this.

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Speaker 1: Years ago, Bill Parcell said, don't draft the celebrity quarterback.

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Speaker 6: And I think there's a conversation to be had there

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Speaker 6: I think I think coaches are important the whole time.

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Speaker 1: By the way, give me one Tom Coughlin story when

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Speaker 1: you're at BC, because I remember Tom Coughlin. I could

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Speaker 1: be wrong on this, but at the time, didn't BC

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Speaker 1: beat Notre Dame. I swear to God they beat Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: Give me a call, Give me a call. Story that

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Speaker 1: was my freshman year. Well, i'll just tell you a

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Speaker 1: quick one.

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Speaker 6: He brought in two quarterbacks my freshman year and he said, Okay,

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Speaker 6: whoever's better gets to stay at quarterback. The other guy

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Speaker 6: moves to tight end. So I get moved to tight

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Speaker 6: end and I get moved to tight end for two days.

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Speaker 6: Tight end's coach sends me back. He's like, coach Tom,

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Speaker 6: I can't do anything with this guy. And you know

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Speaker 6: the guy they moved to tight end. So they moved

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Speaker 6: the other.

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Speaker 7: Quarterback to tight end.

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Speaker 6: And he got drafted before I did in the ninety

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Speaker 6: eight draft to the New York Giants. So it kind

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Speaker 6: of worked out for both of us. But that threat

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Speaker 6: was real.

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Speaker 7: And Tom Coughlin I.

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Speaker 6: Still get a little bit intimidated when I hear his

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Speaker 6: name even today.

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Speaker 3: That is so funny. I love you, Matt Hasselbeck. Great stories,

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Speaker 3: as always appreciated. Bud. All right, see Collins, Yeah, here

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Speaker 3: it is.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety three, BC beat Notre Dame forty one

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Speaker 1: thirty nine at Notre I remember watching the game and yep, yep,

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Speaker 1: and he was a freshman Yeah, Coughlin's one of those coaches.

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Speaker 3: When we mentioned great coaches.

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Speaker 1: Like we always fight like mad We're like Mike Shanahan

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Speaker 1: should be in the Hall of Fame, Like we fought

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Speaker 1: on that, like we fight for certain coaches. There's a

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Speaker 1: couple of coaches out there that I just don't think

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Speaker 1: we understand how good they are. Marty Schottenheimer was a

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Speaker 1: really good football coach, like a really good football coach.

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Speaker 1: And Tom Coughlin beat Belichick and Brady twice in Super

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Speaker 1: Bowls in a game of strategy. Those weren't blowouts. Those

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Speaker 1: games came down to the final series. Coughlin's an all timer.

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Speaker 4: I also envisioned him retired right now, looking at the

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Speaker 4: ocean with a frown on his face.

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Speaker 8: Not a big smile guy.

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Speaker 3: No, he wasn't.

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Speaker 1: There was a point where, especially when it gets Chiley

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Speaker 1: in the Northeast, like in November, and he's upset as

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Speaker 1: a as a northeaster blue through the stadium and he

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Speaker 1: was upset. At the same time, he looked like a plum.

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Speaker 1: He was just furious. He was purple.

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Speaker 4: I remember when I worked for the Eagles, he was

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Speaker 4: this little old guy walking around.

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Speaker 8: His team was massive.

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Speaker 4: I mean they're offensive and defensive lines for those ELI

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Speaker 4: teams were huge.

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Speaker 3: He's Mike Carmen, I'm Dan Bayern.

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Speaker 6: We have a fantasy football podcast called I Want Your Flex.

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Speaker 8: That's right Dan.

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Speaker 3: Hi, welcome back. I'm so lucky that I can sleep

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Speaker 3: on planes.

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Speaker 1: I had to fly from the East Coast here late

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Speaker 1: last night, and I always feel bad for people can't

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Speaker 1: sleep on planes.

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Speaker 3: Can you sleep bottom?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 4: I was with you a couple weeks ago in Chicago,

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Speaker 4: and I was flying home and I was basically sitting

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Speaker 4: between two Trent Williams, so it was really hard.

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Speaker 8: I didn't have much space. Usually I can yes.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I just crashed. I just the minute they closed

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Speaker 1: that door. A little oxes in deprivation.

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Speaker 3: Boom, I'm out. John Middlekoff with the News on the news.

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Speaker 4: This is the herd Line News. Okay, Golein, the pride

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Speaker 4: and joy of Boise State football.

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Speaker 8: Passion gen Z.

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Speaker 4: He didn't do too much in first preseason game, had

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Speaker 4: a few standout moments, but there was an injury scare

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Speaker 4: that sent him to the Blue ten.

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Speaker 8: He did return. He punched in his first touchdown.

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Speaker 4: But is it a little concerning first game injury trying

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Speaker 4: to run over defensive players. Pete Carroll called him tough

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Speaker 4: as hell, gent called the injury just a stinger. But

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Speaker 4: Boise State, the Mountain West is a lot different than

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Speaker 4: the National Football I mean.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that is so clear to me,

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Speaker 1: this is where you can pick up stuff in preseason John,

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Speaker 1: his running style, he is seeking violence. He is trying

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Speaker 1: to hit people. Now again, is he going to be

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Speaker 1: a dinged up guy? But I mean this guy he

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Speaker 1: look look at this out in the flat. He has

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Speaker 1: no fear. I mean, now, Adrian Peterson did this, but

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Speaker 1: Adrian was probably forty pounds heavier. This kid is a

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Speaker 1: incredibly physical runner.

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Speaker 4: I think anytime you're a young player, you try to

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Speaker 4: impress your teammates, you impress your coach, especially coming from

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Speaker 4: a smaller school. No one questions his toughness. I do

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Speaker 4: think to have a long career. They drafted him sixth

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Speaker 4: not a fourth round pick to me. You know, Frank

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Speaker 4: Gore is a good example. He played for like two decades.

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Speaker 4: He never took on these hits. It wasn't everyone knew

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Speaker 4: Frank was a tough guy. You're not gonna run over

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Speaker 4: people in the NFL. This might not be the nineties

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Speaker 4: in the eighties with two hundred and sixty pound linebackers,

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Speaker 4: but these two hundred and thirty eight pound linebackers, two

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Speaker 4: hundred and forty pound linebackers, and these safeties, they can

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Speaker 4: run really fast and hit really hard.

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Speaker 8: So you got to be very careful. Raiders need him calling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think also like the one ball out

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Speaker 1: in the flat, it's like Ashton, take a better angle

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Speaker 1: on that, get that ball and head to the sidelines.

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Speaker 1: So you get one guys, he ran right totally cord

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Speaker 1: both in the middle. It's like, that is not a

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Speaker 1: way to survive in this league.

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Speaker 4: Why And that team is going to be predicated. If

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Speaker 4: they're going to have any success on offense, him and

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Speaker 4: brought Bauers.

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Speaker 7: Are gonna have to be huge.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. Okay.

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Speaker 4: The Cincinnati Bengals Trey Hendrickson went from holding out to

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Speaker 4: holding in this preseason, and now his contract talks have stalled.

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Speaker 4: The Bengals are reportedly listening to trade calls on their

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Speaker 4: star defensive end. The Cincinnati is looking to land defensive

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Speaker 4: players as well as a potential first round pick.

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Speaker 8: Henderson obviously leads the NFL with thirty.

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Speaker 4: Five sacks over the last couple of seasons.

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Speaker 8: Here's the thing, Colin.

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Speaker 4: You got the Eagles they are trading for players, and

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Speaker 4: you got the Bengals.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we might trade.

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Speaker 4: Away our third or fourth best player on our team.

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Speaker 8: Is this sustainable the way the Bengals operate.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's virtually impossible to have Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: at quarterback and not make the playoffs. It's really hard

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Speaker 1: in this league. And they have an offensive coach and

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Speaker 1: they have good weapons, so all the things I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you check the boxes.

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Speaker 3: On what you need to make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Star quarterback helps with an offensive coach, great pass rusher,

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Speaker 1: couple of good weapons.

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Speaker 3: Check check check check check. Why don't they make the playoffs?

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Speaker 1: Because so much work is done in this league by

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Speaker 1: the better gms and the better owners.

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Speaker 3: In the offseason.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Eagles went and picked up like a

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Speaker 1: John the receiver Metchi, who by the way, has had

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Speaker 1: some not great circumstances.

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Speaker 3: There's definitely talent there. And in Houston they.

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Speaker 1: Drafted on our players and he kind of fell down

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Speaker 1: the depth chart. There's definite talent to classic Philadelphia. He

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Speaker 1: may make thirty twenty four catches this year, but he

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Speaker 1: can play.

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Speaker 4: If you look at the odds of some teams, obviously

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Speaker 4: they are open to it. If I'm a team in

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Speaker 4: the NFC, the Lions and the Packers, I mean, if

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Speaker 4: I was the Packers, would you offer your first round pick?

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is a type player you get them,

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Speaker 4: maybe you have to overpay a little bit.

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Speaker 8: Obviously you'd have to extend the contract. Same thing with

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Speaker 8: the Lions.

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Speaker 4: All of a sudden, you add a high end talent

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Speaker 4: in the NFC because you're chasing the Eagles, which I

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Speaker 4: think we all agree with the best roster. But the

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Speaker 4: Lions and the Packers are two teams that feel.

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Speaker 1: Like they're right there. Take the quarterback out. The argument

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Speaker 1: is left tackle and pass rusher. Now he can come

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Speaker 1: from the interior, but they're just not. All you have

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Speaker 1: to do is look at the defense when he doesn't

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Speaker 1: when he's not on the field. It was thirty second

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Speaker 1: in the league. It's just crazy to me. Every time

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Speaker 1: we talk Bengals, I just wonder Joe Burrow looks at

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Speaker 1: the Eagles, he looks at the Ravens, he looks at

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Speaker 1: these highly aggressive teams. I mean the Rams go out

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Speaker 1: and get Devonte Adams, and I mean he's struggling to

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Speaker 1: get T Higgins and easily their best defensive player paid.

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Speaker 1: Like I think the story this year. If Cincinnati gets

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Speaker 1: off to a rocky start, you remember you every year, Colin.

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Speaker 1: Remember his body language last year, like Burrow didn't hide

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Speaker 1: the fact he's unhappy with the organization. You start off

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Speaker 1: two and four, you're gonna see it again.

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Speaker 4: It's hard to think they're gonna be much different than

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Speaker 4: the lastyear. Good offense, bad defense. Speaking about quarterback play,

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Speaker 4: we're here in mid August and the Colts have yet

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Speaker 4: to make a decision on their starting quarterback. Never a

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Speaker 4: good signed Colin Anthony Richinson had a poor showing in

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Speaker 4: his first action, including dislocating his pinky and then having to.

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Speaker 8: Leave the game.

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Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Daniel Jones experienced the highs and lows on Saturday,

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Speaker 4: going seven for eleven for one hundred and one yards,

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Speaker 4: but also lost the ball before recovering his own fumble.

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Speaker 4: Shane Steichen had this to say when discussing the quarterback position.

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Speaker 3: Obviously you got a quarterback battle.

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Speaker 10: You got two first round draft picks, and when they

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Speaker 10: both came in, you know, I made it very clear

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Speaker 10: that you know this is going to be a battle

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Speaker 10: and they're going to compete for the job. And like

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Speaker 10: I said, I'm gonna make this decision that feels best

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Speaker 10: for the football team.

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Speaker 3: I'm very close. I'll say that I'm very close. I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna guess Anthony Richardson, buy a hair.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go Daniel Jones. I think if it was

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Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson they drafted him, wouldn't they have just already

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Speaker 4: named him the starting quarterback. Now, the problem is Daniel

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Speaker 4: Jones in the preseason nine points on seven drives, So

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Speaker 4: he's not exactly Tom Brady or.

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Speaker 8: Joe Montana back there. But I don't know if Anthony.

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Speaker 4: Richinson knows what he's doing three years in to playing

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Speaker 4: in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: There's a problem.

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Speaker 1: Colin, Well, you also and I think this is fair.

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Speaker 1: We know it's not the coach because we know that

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Speaker 1: Steiken turned Jalen Hurts into an MVP level quarterback and

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert as a rookie broke every rookie quarterback record.

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Speaker 1: We know this coach, whether he's a great head coach,

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Speaker 1: but we know he knows quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: Every quarterback had gets better.

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Speaker 1: I remember talking with the GM of the Chargers, Tom Telesco,

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Speaker 1: during Justin Herbert's year, and he goes, let me tell you,

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Speaker 1: he goes, I don't know if we're going to be

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Speaker 1: able to keep Shane Steiking. He goes, he is so

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Speaker 1: good as a coach, he goes. It's unbelievable watching him

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Speaker 1: at practice every day. So if he can't speed up

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Speaker 1: the Anthony Richardson grow, I don't think he's an NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Well, obviously the AFC is loaded with quarterbacks. Look at

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Speaker 4: their own division. Cam Warden made him throws in that

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Speaker 4: preseason game. Easy to see why he's a top pick.

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Speaker 4: You know, Trevor Lawrence number one overall pick and obviously C. J.

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Speaker 6: Stroud.

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Speaker 4: So let alone the Mahomes, the Burrows, and Lamar Jackson's

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Speaker 4: in their own division. They're the only team that does

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Speaker 4: not have a stable quarterback situation.

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Speaker 3: Not good, not good, not good at all.

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Speaker 1: John with a news, Well, that's the news, and thanks

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Speaker 1: for stopping back the heard line news. So we showed

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Speaker 1: you this earlier. Matt Hasselbeck talked about this. Matt Stafford

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Speaker 1: is out there for the Rams. Matt Hasselback interestingly said

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Speaker 1: he felt like he was walking a little gingerly, and

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Speaker 1: you can fake it in the slow drills. You can

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Speaker 1: fake it, but it's a real story because the Rams

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Speaker 1: defense last year Thanksgiving on was.

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Speaker 3: An incredible unit.

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Speaker 1: Go ask Jalen Hurts who passed for like sixty yards

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Speaker 1: against the Rams defense. This defense is young, and it

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Speaker 1: is good everywhere. It is unbelievable in the box. And

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Speaker 1: they drafted another edge rusher and another interior linebacker. So

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Speaker 1: they went with more defense in the draft than I

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Speaker 1: would have. I think they need an offensive tackle. I

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Speaker 1: thought they you know, I thought they could have used

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Speaker 1: more offensive line help. But so Stafford's out there a

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Speaker 1: little ginger but this is the only team in the

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Speaker 1: league that you could see playing in the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: and then winning four games if Stafford is an upright.

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Speaker 1: So it's a real story and the Rams. I talked

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Speaker 1: about this earlier. McVeigh is Belichick with a smile. Well,

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Speaker 1: they move off people. They did not give him a

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Speaker 1: long contract, telling all of us that this is a

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Speaker 1: they love him, but it's probably a one year deal.

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Speaker 8: Backs are bad. Steve Kerr couldn't coach with a bad back.

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Speaker 8: Tiger Woods couldn't play golf.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty difficult to play NFL quarterback when your back

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Speaker 4: does not feel good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's Hasselback twenty five minutes ago on the back.

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Speaker 6: This is a big deal. Like, he's thirty seven years old,

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Speaker 6: he's got a back injury. The team doesn't know. Nobody knows.

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Speaker 6: I don't think he knows even watching him Coke go

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Speaker 6: out to practice today. He's ginger, he's careful, he's measured,

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Speaker 6: he's not cutting it loose and like I've been there,

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Speaker 6: like you don't know for sure yourself. That's a problem

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Speaker 6: with tackle football.

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Speaker 7: So if the.

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Speaker 6: Rams were playing seven on seven this year, I wouldn't

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Speaker 6: be worried about it. The fact that it's tackle football.

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Speaker 6: This is a huge concern for me.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm watching what the Bears are doing.

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Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time in Chicago, and they're

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Speaker 1: really copying the Detroit Lions, where Ben Johnson came from.

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Speaker 1: So the first thing the Lions did was they rebuilt

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Speaker 1: the offensive line. So Ben Johnson comes over to the

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Speaker 1: Bears and they get Joe Tooney, Jonah Jackson, and Drew

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Speaker 1: Dolman on the interior line. And then they draft a

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Speaker 1: left tackle from Boston College who people like a lot.

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Speaker 1: Will see if he starts. But they addressed the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: That's where it all started for Detroit. Then they got

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Speaker 1: a playmaking tight end, Sam Laporta in Detroit and Colston

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Speaker 1: Loveland with the Bears. Kol Komitz not a playmaker. He's

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Speaker 1: a good tight end, probably a two, but he's a

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Speaker 1: good tight end. Colston Loveland's a playmaker. The third thing

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Speaker 1: is they asked their quarterback to do less. Run the play,

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Speaker 1: We'll make it creative. So now it took two full

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Speaker 1: years for Detroit to start winning. Remember they went three

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Speaker 1: and thirteen with Golf and then nine and seven beat

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Speaker 1: Green Bay and Lambeau but missed the playoffs. Next year

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Speaker 1: they're in the NFC Championship with the Niners. The difference

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Speaker 1: is Chicago is way more equipped with Caleb Williams to

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Speaker 1: win now because the Lions when Jared Goff showed up,

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Speaker 1: felt like a startup. The Bears feel like they've got funding.

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Speaker 1: They've got money, they've got funding, They're fine. They bought

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Speaker 1: sweat Jalen Johnson's a star. They've gone out and Joe Tooney,

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Speaker 1: Drew Dolman. Like they have players. Detroit didn't have that

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Speaker 1: many good players in the first year and a half.

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Speaker 1: The Bears have players. It's just a matter of you

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Speaker 1: got a coach with a style, a quarterback with a

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Speaker 1: different style, and there's a marriage here.

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Speaker 3: And Ben Johnson talked about last week.

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Speaker 2: He's really been locked in.

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Speaker 11: You know, it's anytime you're a young player, there's usually

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Speaker 11: a couple steps forward and one step back, and and

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Speaker 11: that's really been the story of his training camp. And

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Speaker 11: he and I have been really open and honest about

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Speaker 11: that as we've gone through, and he's had some really

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Speaker 11: good practices and then he's had a couple where it's

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Speaker 11: like that's not good enough. But the three days of

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Speaker 11: practice we had this week and this game for we're

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Speaker 11: the most he's stacked up good days.

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Speaker 2: In a row right now. So the challenges can be

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Speaker 2: to keep pushing in that direction.

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing. When you watch that first drive,

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Speaker 1: it is exciting. He's got power, arm, he moves well,

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Speaker 1: and they've got really good pieces. They're ready to win

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Speaker 1: games right now. I mean, you know if this team

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Speaker 1: won eleven games, I would not be shocked in the least.

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Speaker 1: There are teams in this league, about half of them,

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Speaker 1: who have no chance to win eleven games. The Bears

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Speaker 1: may win seven, but they're built if everything works to

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Speaker 1: win eleven. You know, the Rams can, the Niners can,

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Speaker 1: the Ravens, we knew who they are. There's about you know,

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Speaker 1: about half the league could not win eleven games if

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Speaker 1: everything went their way, and about half the league could

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Speaker 1: but they won't. But Chicago you can. You can see

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Speaker 1: the pieces, star defensive linemen, great number one corner. Now

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Speaker 1: they've got two really nice tight ends, one a big playmaker,

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Speaker 1: excellent interior offensive lineman, clever offensive coach, powerful talented quarterback,

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Speaker 1: number one receiver in Dj Moore. They got all the boxes.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean it's gonna work, but they got all the

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Speaker 1: boxes checked. The other thing is the last couple of years,

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Speaker 1: I take incredible pro vanity pride before the fall in

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Speaker 1: trying to guess the bad team that becomes good.

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Speaker 3: Last year it was Washington.

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Speaker 1: So I said Washington's going to make the playoffs, and

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Speaker 1: it sounded absolutely absurd, but my theory was, yes, they've

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Speaker 1: got all new people, but the people they flushed out

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Speaker 1: were so bad. Even if the people they brought in

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Speaker 1: were just solid BB plus people, they would be a

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Speaker 1: much different franchise. So I think the easiest team to

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Speaker 1: see and look at and go, oh, yeah, they're going

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Speaker 1: to double their win total. I've done it three or

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Speaker 1: four years in a row is New England. First of all,

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Speaker 1: they went from a coach who was probably more of

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Speaker 1: a coordinator, was thrust into a head coaching role, and

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Speaker 1: like a Nat Hackett, a Drodmeo just didn't feel like

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Speaker 1: he was ready. He was just not ready for the job.

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Speaker 1: It happens all the time. Half the coordinators don't make it.

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Speaker 1: So they go from that to a top five or

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Speaker 1: six seven coach in the league in Mike Rabele. Secondly,

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Speaker 1: if you look at a lot of their losses, it

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Speaker 1: was a lot of one possession games. It was a

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Speaker 1: rookie quarterback not really at that point equipped, They didn't

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Speaker 1: have a lot of weapons, didn't have great protection. So

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Speaker 1: if you start looking at the money they spent, the

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Speaker 1: coach they inherited, and then you got Travion Henderson, they

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Speaker 1: probably stole.

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Speaker 3: They stole.

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Speaker 1: If this kid ends up being what he looked like

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Speaker 1: at Ohio State. Still remarkable. He was not how good

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Speaker 1: was Ohio State. He was not the first Buckeye running

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Speaker 1: back taken now. That happened years ago in Georgia, where

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Speaker 1: Sony Michelle got drafted in the first round, kind of

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Speaker 1: disappeared after a few years, didn't make a huge impact.

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Speaker 1: Nick Chubb went in the second round and Chubb was

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Speaker 1: a stud. It's the same kind of situation where Travion

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Speaker 1: Henderson is.

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Speaker 3: You can't teach that.

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Speaker 1: Josh McDaniel said last week, that's the fastest running back

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Speaker 1: I've ever had. So here was Matt Hasselback earlier. He

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Speaker 1: knows the Patriots well on what he sees with his team.

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Speaker 6: I think they hit a home run with the left

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Speaker 6: tackle Will Campbell. I think they hit a home run

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Speaker 6: with Travon Henderson. Like you mentioned, he's incredible. All you

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Speaker 6: hear in New England is to talking about his speed,

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Speaker 6: his work ethic, all that kind of stuff. And then

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Speaker 6: I think they're hoping that Kyle Williams comes on as

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Speaker 6: like as another as a third round shot. So I

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Speaker 6: think in New England, a team that only won four

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Speaker 6: games last year, I think there's a lot of excitement.

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Speaker 6: What they're talking about right now is like, hey, if

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Speaker 6: someone were to offer us a great player, we would

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Speaker 6: give up a first round draft pick. That sounds like

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Speaker 6: a team to me that thinks that they're close to

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Speaker 6: and maybe even this year getting back to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Drake may whose comp is justin Herbert last

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Speaker 1: year flashes of it, and that was with a suboptimal

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Speaker 1: coaching staff and no real weapons. Kyle Williams is the

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Speaker 1: guy that I watched a lot at Washington State. He

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Speaker 1: is their third round pick. Watch out. He can be

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Speaker 1: an electric player. So if we put the Patriots schedule up,

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Speaker 1: you know, listen, let's face it, Miami right now is

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Speaker 1: going through cultural changes. Like they're struggling in Miami. The

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Speaker 1: Jets don't look like offensively they're going to score much.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, again, competency, better coaching, move the chains,

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Speaker 1: a star running back.

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Speaker 3: It does.

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Speaker 1: It feels like to me, this is the easiest prediction,

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Speaker 1: the easiest four to eight win team in the league.

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Speaker 3: Double your win total team.

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Speaker 8: I'm totally agreement.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Vrabel's proven he can get guys to overachieve.

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Speaker 4: He was the number one overall seed with Tanny Hill

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Speaker 4: as his quarterback. I think Drake Mays a more talented

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Speaker 4: player than Ryan Tannehill from a physical gift standpoint. The

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Speaker 4: other thing is, over the course of Belichick's run, especially

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Speaker 4: that last iteration in the twenty tens, who was their

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Speaker 4: most explosive player once Randy left? They had Edelman's an

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Speaker 4: excellent player. Gronk was an excellent player, but they have

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Speaker 4: one not like Trevon Henderson. I played golf a couple

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Speaker 4: of years ago with Shane Vereen. I just looked he

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Speaker 4: was a really explosive He ran a four or five

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Speaker 4: to five. This guy almost ran like a sub four

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Speaker 4: to four. I mean, this guy can really really that

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Speaker 4: speed in the open field. I get his preseason.

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Speaker 2: He showed that.

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Speaker 4: Against Michigan right in Penn State. I mean that's that's

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Speaker 4: real speed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And then the schedules workable.

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Speaker 1: You get the Raiders at home to start a Miami

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Speaker 1: team early that's going through some changes and it feels

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Speaker 1: a bit rocky. Pittsburgh and Carolina back to back at home.

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Speaker 1: We don't think they're going to be great offensive teams.

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Speaker 1: Saints are in there, Titans. You start looking at that

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Speaker 1: schedule counter the first eight. I mean Atlanta at home,

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Speaker 1: Carolina at home.

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Speaker 4: There's there's one if they win ten or eleven Rable

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Speaker 4: Coach of the Year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Probably even the end, there's double US. Pats are back, baby,