1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Gradios How Stuff Works. Hello, Welcome 5 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: is Noel. They call me Ben. We are joined as 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: always with our super producer Paul Mission controlled Decade. Most importantly, 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: you are you. You are here and that makes this 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. This is ah. 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: This is a special episode for us. Pretty excited about this. 11 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: We have a returning guest today. Today we're joined by 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: our colleague, longtime friend of ours, Paying Lensy. That's right, 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: the CEO co founder of Tenderfoot TV. Paying. People recognize 14 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: you as the creator and host of podcasts such as 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: Up and Vanished, Uh, The Atlanta Monster, and your latest project, 16 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: which is why we wanted to talk to you today, 17 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: Radio Rental. Thanks. Yeah, thanks for being on the show man. 18 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, guys. I appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah, we've we've 19 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: been listening to Radio Rental and with the lights on. Well, 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: well yeah for me, get started. For me, I actually 21 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: try and get to the darkest place I possibly can 22 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: like to listen to it in my sensory deprivation. That's 23 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: the best place actually for me, it's in the car 24 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: at night after I've driven home from work, like it's 25 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: getting late so early now here in Atlanta where we are, 26 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: by the time I'm getting home, if it's like six 27 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: seven something like that, I'll sit in my car and 28 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: keep listening to an episode on purpose because the the 29 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: show itself and what we're gonna tell you exactly what 30 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: it is after this, but the show itself has such 31 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: an eerie quality to it that it almost intensifies the experience. 32 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: If you're just alone in a car and it's kind 33 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: of cold, I don't know, I would n spooky driveway moment. Well, 34 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: the purpose there is still, like in my mind and 35 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: for me personally, is to it is to enhance the experience, 36 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: like to to get a an even further sensory experience 37 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: from something right. And to my mind, what Radio Rental 38 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: does with the sound design and the way the stories 39 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: are told, it does give you this sensory experience of 40 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: being there in a lot of these things. So let's 41 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: let's let's start off by Paine, tell us what Radio 42 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: Rental is um you know, as an overview, and then 43 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: we'll start getting into some of this stuff. I mean, basically, 44 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: at its core, Radio Rental is just weird, bizarre stories, 45 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: kind of an homage to Are You Afraid of the Dark, 46 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: and it's presented in this um weird way where Rain 47 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: Wilson is playing this video store clerk who works in 48 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: this old kind of eighties retro video store called Radio Rental. 49 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: Radio a rental means it's like British Cockney slang for 50 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: mad or you've lost your mind. They'd say you've gone 51 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: radio rental and the British Cockney rhyming slang exactly. And 52 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: so it's my first anthology series where each episode is 53 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: a new story and there's about two to three stories 54 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: in each episode, and they're all true stories. They're all 55 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: real stories, and it's the real people telling you them. 56 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: And so there's other stuff like this out there where 57 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: people do retellings of stuff, but we put a lot 58 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: of effort into actually going to make the connection with 59 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: these people, vetting them as much as we could and 60 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: flying out to them wherever the hell they are, and 61 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: sitting down and interviewing them and making this kind of 62 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: short story, cinematic experience out of it. And there's a 63 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: lot of work that has to go on behind the scenes, right, 64 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: like just for the process questions before we get into 65 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: some of the real spooky stuff. How from germination of 66 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: the idea, genesis of the idea, to actually getting the 67 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: first episode out. How how much time did you and 68 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: your team have to put into, as you said, finding 69 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: these people, vetting them and speaking with them. It seems 70 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: like it must have been a pretty involved process. It 71 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: was like every other podcast I've made where I was like, 72 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: this is a cool idea, let's do this, and then 73 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: like a few months in, I'm going, this is a 74 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: lot harder than I thought it was gonna be. And 75 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: so this was that on a whole new level where 76 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: I'm very reliant on these people to want to do 77 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: this with me, because I mean, I can have I 78 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: can find a really great story, but if that person 79 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: is not interested and telling me that story, or maybe 80 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: they are but they sound really weird on the microphone 81 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: or or whatever, right, there's there's so many factors that 82 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: I can't control, which makes it kind of scary. Um. So, 83 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: I mean, initially I was looking all over the place 84 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: and I didn't really even know where to find these 85 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: types of stories or or really what was going to 86 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: uh merit radio rental story to begin with. And I 87 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: knew that in these first batch of episodes that whatever 88 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: story we put out there that is going to be 89 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: what radio rental is, it will always evolve from there. 90 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: But I need to set the standard for what is 91 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: a radio rental story. And you know, it's not every 92 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: single story that you hear, it's not every scary story. 93 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: It's this kind of in between area where you know, 94 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: you know when you hear it, like you hear another story. 95 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: And if you've heard radio Rental at this point, if 96 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: you hear another story out there, you would know, Okay, 97 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: that's probably a radio rental story. And so I wanted 98 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: to kind of coin that term and really kind of 99 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: set the standard for, you know, what you're experiencing and hearing. 100 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: It was very difficult just to kind of find these 101 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: people and make contact with a stranger on the internet, 102 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: um with someone we heard user name, and convince them 103 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: to let me fly to where they are and meet 104 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: them in a hotel and recorded them for my podcast. 105 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: So let's dive in a little bit deeper to something 106 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: I was, you know, the the entire time that was 107 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 1: listening to the show, which is out now unavailable wherever 108 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Do you want to point that 109 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: out the full first season? Right? And uh, this so 110 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: we don't want to spoil too much of the specific episodes, 111 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: but we do want to talk about some of the things. 112 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: And one of the things that haunted me throughout listening 113 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: is that this subtle, this subtle play of fact and fiction. 114 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: You know, this is a lot of this feels like 115 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: there's some modern folklore elements to it. Um, which is 116 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: why I love that you point out, Um, are you 117 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: afraid of the dark? You know, there's this this this 118 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: kind of chilling camp fire. It could be true element. 119 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: These are true stories because you did find Again, this 120 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: is the part we should emphasize pain You did find 121 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: real people who told you these stories. Right. Uh, We're 122 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: there ever times where you felt the little line between 123 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: like fact or fiction sort of blurred or what what 124 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: did or was it always to you was always clear? 125 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: Or were there are times where you were like, I 126 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: don't know if I should be alone in a hotel 127 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: room with this person. I mean, there's definitely this line 128 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: of where I mean, there's a few stories in there 129 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: for sure where you can't really rationally explain what happened, 130 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: and just kind of structurally with what I was trying 131 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: to build here, I wanted to have a good balanced 132 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: mix of stories. I didn't want to come at you 133 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: with the most unbelievable stories ever and just shock you 134 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: where people are like, yeah, this is just like unbelievable stories. 135 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: They don't believe any of these stories. I wanted to 136 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: hit you with a real thing that happened, definitive from 137 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: the beginning. And so every now and then you get 138 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: this little twist where you're like, oh, I don't know, 139 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: like I do, don't, I don't. I can't explain that, 140 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: but I don't not believe it it and so, and 141 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: that's how I feel about some of these stories where 142 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: it's like in this line of I don't know how 143 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: to explain what happened, but I believe this person, but 144 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: like what happened, and so you're you're thinking about it 145 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: like scratching a head, like what the what the hell happened. 146 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: I think there's a pretty good example of this in 147 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: that first episode that we actually got to hear a 148 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: sneak preview of a while back. But man, it it's 149 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: one of those that is a true story of something 150 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: that really happened, for sure. And then the story itself 151 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: as it's being told and as it's kind of revealing 152 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: things as you go, um, you don't even really you 153 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: don't think like, maybe this isn't real, maybe this isn't 154 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: and then it hits you right at the end, Oh, 155 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: this is a true thing that occurred. I remember this 156 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: from the news. So let's talk about Um, I'm just 157 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: I'm calling it the flight. I don't know what you 158 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: called it in the within the episodes, but we hear 159 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: about this man's extraordinary experience doing something very ordinary, which 160 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: is just taking a flight. Can you can you tell 161 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 1: us a little bit of about that story? Yeah, I 162 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: mean it just it starts off. He's a kid at 163 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: the time, and he's flying from Paris to Miami. It's 164 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: in December of two thousand one, and he was very 165 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: familiar flying. He fled, He flown several times with his 166 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: brother and his dad was in first class and his 167 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: brother and him were in the back and midflight, all 168 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: of a sudden, this flight attendant starts screaming the word no, 169 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: and obviously anyone screaming on an airplane, Nope, not a 170 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: good thing, right If they're screaming, yes, it's still even that. 171 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: You're like, what come, he's screaming on airplane? Not a 172 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: good thing. And so eventually that escalates to even louder 173 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: and he sees this kind of scuffle going on, and 174 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, someone passes up this fire extinguisher 175 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: and hits this dude in the middle square in the face, 176 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: and he's like, what the hell is going on here? 177 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: Chaos just erupts in the flight. Turns out there was 178 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: a terrorist on board. His name was Richard Reid. And 179 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: this is right after nine eleven, so you can imagine 180 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: being on that plane. I mean, that would be terrifying 181 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: as hell. And this guy, Richard Reid, he was six 182 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: ft four over two pounds. He had a bomb in 183 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: his shoes and he was attempting to light it with 184 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: this box of matches and the flights and it saw this, 185 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: probably assuming he was trying to smoke a cigarette or something, 186 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: not light a bomb. Yeah, sir, please don't smoke a cigarette. 187 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: And that escalates and she reaches for the matches. This 188 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: guy bites her on the hand and it just turns 189 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: into a complete show on the plane and eventually they 190 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: subdue the guy. Everyone kind of steps up to be 191 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: a hero, which is amazing, and they tie him up 192 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: with phone cords and belts and all kind of stuff, 193 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: and a doctor on board and jects them with I 194 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: think dies a pan or something just to calm him down, 195 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: and they divert the flight. They landed and SWAT team 196 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: comes on board. All of a sudden, it's all over 197 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: the news and this is right after Non eleven. Absolute 198 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: craziness and this is literally why you take your shoes 199 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: off at the airport. Yeah, I mean that was a 200 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: real dick move. Well, it's it's incredible to me because 201 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: the people on that flight had no idea how dire 202 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: that situation was, even though they saw that maybe he's 203 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: trying to light something like shoe, that's weird. Why would 204 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: he be doing that, Like, let's not do that could 205 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: be a bomb. But he had C four in his 206 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: shoe that would have obliterated that point in a minute, 207 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: quick question. Can you detonate C four with the match? 208 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: Doesn't it require some sort of like electric So he 209 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: had a hole, like I mean, there's a picture of 210 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: his shoe online something that they kind of gutted it 211 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: this big black boot and I mean he had some 212 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: sort of wiring system where I mean that there was 213 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: a fuse He's gonna light. I'm not sure exactly how 214 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: it it worked. Me it didn't work, thank god. But 215 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: I think they said it only didn't work because his 216 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: shoes were damp one it had rained that morning, and too, 217 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: he was just sweating, just being nervous. I mean, it's 218 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: crazy to think that, like if they had gone off, 219 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: the entire plane's just up in flames and it's just 220 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: no one lives right, oh for sure. See four. I 221 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: mean that'll take out like a like a whole building. 222 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: I mean, if you have enough of it. Insane yesh 223 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: se four Just for background, we don't need to go 224 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: into why I know this, but four do. It's stable. 225 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: It's stable enough that if you just put a if 226 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: you just put a match by the substance, or even 227 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: if you shoot it with a gun, it's not going 228 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: to explode. You do need that system that you just 229 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: describe PAIM, which is the one of the scariest things 230 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: I think for people on the flight who were of 231 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: course watching the news afterwards, where they figured out, well, 232 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: sure this person clearly had some mental issues, but they 233 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: still had it together enough to build a shoe bomb. 234 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: You know, we joke about it now, but we only 235 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: joke about out things like that because that was a 236 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: real thing. And to your pointment, one thing that's stuck 237 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: with me about that is hearing the story. We're put 238 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: in the p o V of that person and we 239 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: don't know what's happening either in the way that the 240 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: way that the narrative plays plays out. I also had 241 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: that moment at the end where I went, you know, 242 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: for lack of a better phrase, I went, oh, I 243 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: remember that happened. Um, And that's that's something that had 244 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: me thinking too, like when we talk about the fact 245 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: and fiction, and when you're talking about the emphasis you 246 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: put on having this like, let's have this demonstrably true 247 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: thing in in the very first from the jump, because 248 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: now every other thing that happens, we're all waiting for 249 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: that moment where we go, oh wait, oh no, oh man. 250 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 1: That was yeah. So I gotta say another thing that 251 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: was I think incredibly important about that first story is 252 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: it's terrifying now in in today's age, how we have 253 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: so it feels like we have so many events like 254 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: that that we start to forget them then, and we shouldn't. 255 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: And so maybe the best maybe the best way to uh, 256 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: to impact people with that are to get the best 257 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: moral is the one that you just so perfectly described, 258 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: which is and that guy is the reason we can't 259 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: wear shoes playing, you know. I'm look, I'm still pissed 260 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: at Richard for that. Yeah. Absolutely, Look, I don't even 261 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: have laces. I have to catch a flight later today. 262 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: So it reminds me of that thing in Arrested Development, 263 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: where like he's got the one armed guy who always 264 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: uses to teach his kids a lessonies. And that's why 265 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: you always leave a note. I want to add really 266 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: quickly here. There was a two thousand fifteen article I 267 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: remember seeing an NBC but I'm not sure exactly who 268 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: spoke with Richard Reid again. But he expressed regrets, like 269 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: tactical regrets about what he did, uh and I'm practical, 270 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: like you should have done a better job of blowing 271 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: up the plane. And then he wished he did a 272 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: better job. This is a crazy This is a quote 273 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: from it says, I do have some tactical regrets of 274 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: a sort which I won't go into here, but I 275 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,239 Speaker 1: don't regret losing my freedom. Okay, dead eyed robot like Jesus, 276 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: that's cool. Enjoy your meals, yeah, right, enjoy your one hour. 277 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: You can't go to Chili's anymore. So well he he 278 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: goes on to talk about the Charlie Hebdoe thing, and 279 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: he's like, no, I don't think that's a tragedy. I 280 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: think it's a tragedy that people can belittle other people's 281 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: beliefs in that way. Okay, Okay, we'll move on then. Thanks. 282 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: We'll pause here and return to Radio Rental after a 283 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: word from our sponsors, and we're back. We can't really 284 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: spoil this show, no matter what we can can. Well, well, 285 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about. One out now, Yeah, that's 286 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: one episode in episode or that's one story in episode one. Right, 287 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stories, and there's at least two 288 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: in every episode. I mean think there's over a dozen 289 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: in this season. So I mean, even when you think 290 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: you've got it figured out, you don't, because we're trying 291 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: to confuse ourselves while we're making this anyone everybody's confused. Um, 292 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: when one story that stuck with me. That actually, uh, 293 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: that I went back and re listened to and thought 294 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: about for a few days is the story about the 295 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: person who keeps receiving messages as someone gets closer and 296 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: closer and closer to how basically that like, I um 297 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: that that felt so black mirror esque. Yeah, you know, 298 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: and it feels like that's the other thing. I don't 299 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: want to be too repetitive, but that that's one of 300 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: the ones especially what I thought I could really happen. 301 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: I gotta go beef up my where is my phone 302 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: number on the internet? I need to watch out. Yeah, 303 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: but that's also one of those things that feels a 304 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: lot like that folklore story that maybe we've heard before, 305 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, we're familiar from inside the house. Yeah, 306 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: well we're you going in and interviewing the person. It's like, uh, now, 307 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: you know, I have to listen to this story and 308 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: be as objective as I can, but ultimately just take 309 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: have this person take me through this story as clearly 310 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,239 Speaker 1: as clearly as possible, and the way the way he 311 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: tells it, Oh god man, it's creepy. That's yeah. With 312 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: that one especially, that's one of the tales where I 313 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: thought you know, like full disclosure, we all know each 314 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: other outside of the show as we do like we 315 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: we are actually friends. This is one of the ones 316 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: where I thought I should I gotta ask pain, like, 317 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: you know, maybe not in front of people, but are 318 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: asking if that was an actor because that was really good? 319 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: Was like, is that a voice actor? And I had 320 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: I haven't asked you, but that guy, know, he was great. 321 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm telling me he was. He was funny, he was 322 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: well spoken. We I mean we actually it was Mike 323 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: and I who were in there. It was in Phoenix 324 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: recording this guy. I think after we recording him were like, 325 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: do you do radio? Do you do podcast? Um? But 326 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: he's like no, but you know, I get that a lot. 327 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: And he's just kind of one of those guys who 328 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: was just I mean, he's the kind of guy who 329 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: would engage with the stranger, right. So he's kind of 330 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, chipper and funny and just you know, just 331 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: kind of brightens people's days and says witty things and 332 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not afraid to say what he thinks. 333 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: So which is just that person and he's well spoken 334 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: and he told it and what I thought was a 335 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: pretty comical way at times, but yeah, he was. He 336 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: was amazing. He's like, he was literally exactly what we 337 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: were looking for for this show. And when we talked 338 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: about the show, I guess, um, one of the things 339 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: we should do a little bit of of quid pro 340 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: quo claris stuff here is we mentioned some things that 341 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: we we found UH had a lot of stay in 342 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: power with us as listeners. I I have to ask, 343 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: and it's totally all right, there's no wrong answer here. 344 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: I have to ask, Man, is there any anything that 345 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: you that you covered or that you found while you 346 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: all were creating Season one that stayed with you? Like 347 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: anything that you know you left UH in a day, 348 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: month weeks later you said, Man, I don't. I don't 349 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: know there's there's actually definitively one story that really bothered me. Um. 350 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: I don't like to think that I'm desensitized to any 351 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: of it. I think that I'm I'd like to look 352 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: at it as if I've just gotten better at compartmentalizing 353 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: this stuff. Sure, Um, but like there's very a few 354 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: things that really scare scare me. I mean, I don't 355 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: like paranormal stuff just because I'm like, I don't know 356 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: how to deal with that if that ever came into 357 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: my house, you know. Um, But those those kind of 358 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: stories are also easy to kind of write off if 359 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: you don't believe in that or something, So you know, 360 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: they're not always the scariest as some people. To me, 361 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: the scariest story that bothered me the most in the 362 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: whole season was a story called Laura of the Woods. Um. 363 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys heard this one, but 364 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: the basic synopsis is this kid, he's ten years old 365 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 1: and this small Indiana town and he's playing in the 366 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: woods by himself with his g I Joe's, and all 367 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: of a sudden he gets his overwhelming just feeling of 368 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,719 Speaker 1: fear that someone is looking at him, someone's watching him 369 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: out there. And there's this like three story house pretty 370 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: close to them. Right there is there's this like house 371 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood that's like I mean, they called it 372 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: like the ghost house or something. It was like the 373 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: classic haunted house in the neighborhood that no one knows 374 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: who lives there. And you know, you never see him 375 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: go in and now, but you know someone's in there. 376 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: Everyone knows everybody but these people, right, And so he's 377 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: playing by the creek, right outside of this house and 378 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: he get says, overwhelming, a feeling of just fear. And 379 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: he turns around and he sees this girl who's standing there, 380 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: and as he tells you the story, your first thought 381 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: is that this is a ghost because it's so surreal. 382 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense, right, this person is out there. 383 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: She looks really weird. Um, she's younger, but she has 384 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: this weird hair and her outfit doesn't really fit her right. Um, 385 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: But either way, he becomes friends with her, and you're 386 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: like okay, And so he spends several weeks that summer 387 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: playing with her out there in the woods and like 388 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: physically doing things with her, swinging on the swing and 389 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: you know, just physically playing out there in the creek. 390 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: Even she showed him what a cigarette is, right like 391 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: one day she was like, hey, I want to show 392 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: you something, and she took him to this tree and 393 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: she had carved her name in it, Laura, And she 394 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: put her hands with a hole in the tree and 395 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: pulled out this pack of marble red cigarettes and talk 396 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: him not as smoke. And he felt at crazy like 397 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: all bad, oh man, I'm doing in the real bad 398 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: And she chief like ten cigarettes. He smoked maybe a 399 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: half a cigarette, puked afterwards. But you know, he he 400 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: became friends with this girl, and you know, he told 401 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: his sister about it, and they're like, okay, they got 402 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: a little girlfriend in the woods. Whatever. And then one 403 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: day he went out there and she was just gone, 404 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: just nowhere to be found. Weeks went by, months went by, 405 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: never saw her ever again, and he was like, what happened? 406 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: You know, where you move whatever? And she had told 407 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: him that she lived in that creepy house, right, she 408 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: told me. He that she lived there on the third floor, 409 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: and that she was an only child, and you know, 410 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 1: she had a mom and dad who lived with her too, 411 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: but she was the only child and she was homeschooled. 412 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: So he thought, okay, maybe she's back, and maybe she's 413 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: got in trouble or something, or she's just back in 414 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: her house. Um. Anyway, school starts back up again and 415 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: he goes back to the public school, and all of 416 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: a sudden, that house, that creepy house, it goes up 417 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: for sale, and so everyone in the neighborhoods like, I'm 418 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: gonna go see the inside of this house, right, and 419 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: he's like, mom, we have to go in here. Also, 420 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: I want to see if Laura's in there, right, like, 421 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: where's Laura? And so they go to this open house, 422 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: right and uh, the mother is giving the tour and 423 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: he sees what is obviously her dad and then what 424 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: is obviously her mother because it looks just like Laura, 425 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: like almost exactly like her in the face. So he's like, okay, 426 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 1: that has to be your mom. You know, where's Laura? 427 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: And so they're going through the tour and then they 428 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: stop on the second floor and the lady's like, yep, 429 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: and that's the whole house. And he's like, I know 430 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: that there's a third floor because I know that's where 431 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: Laura lives. And um, his mom asked the lady. It 432 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: was like, um, hey, you know, like I'm so glad 433 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: to finally meet you. Um, you've we've been here for 434 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: years and we never knew who lived here, you know, 435 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: we're so curious. And she was like, yes, sorry, you know, 436 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: we don't want to leave the house much after our 437 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: daughter died a few years ago. And he's like, holy shit, yeah, 438 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: well what or who was I playing with in the woods? 439 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: And then the mom does this really creepy thing where 440 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 1: she looks at him and says, what's wrong, boy, it 441 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: looks like you've seen a ghost. And he's like stop. 442 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: And so all of a sudden, his mom and his 443 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: sister both look at him, like, what the hell have 444 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: you been playing with in the woods? Whatever is going on? 445 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: You can't go out in the woods anymore. You're in trouble. 446 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: And so he said one time he broke the rules 447 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: and he he did go back out there because he 448 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: was convinced that Laura was being held captive in the house, 449 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: that something bad was going on. It made no sense. 450 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 1: There was no way it was a ghost. He why 451 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: would not show the third floor sense? Right? She was 452 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: being weird the ghosts comment, and he physically touched her. 453 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: He he smoked the cigarettes with her, right, And so 454 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: he goes out there one day and he looks up 455 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: at the house and the mom's just on on the 456 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: third floor looking down at him, just staring at him. 457 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: He said, a scared of him, and he never went 458 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: back after that. And so for decades he lived with 459 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: this story where he's like, you know, what the hell happened? 460 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: He told a few people, and then years later he 461 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: was back in that same property because one of his 462 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: family members and his uncle bought the property nearby, and 463 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: so like they were out there in the woods, very 464 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: close to where that area was in that house, and 465 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: someone in his family just brought up, hey, remember the 466 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: whole Laura the Woods story. And he's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 467 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: They're like, let's go see it, man, Let's go see 468 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: that tree. And says like, all right, whatever, And so 469 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: he takes his whole family over there, and as they 470 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: kind of wind through the woods, he sees the tree 471 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: Laura carved in it. He walks into the tree, puss 472 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: his hand in the hole, pulls out a pack of 473 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: Marlboro Red cigarettes decades later, cigarettes still in there. He said, 474 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: everyone his family is like, okay, this this is terrifying. 475 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: And he's like, okay, what was my childhood? What was 476 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: going on this whole time? And he said that weeks later, 477 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,239 Speaker 1: it was on his mind every day and he was 478 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: just having this really vivid nightmare one night and he 479 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: basically woke up and came to the conclusion that he 480 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: had his nightmare where he's walking through the woods and 481 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: then he like saw Laura sitting on a bench and 482 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: then he like taps on the shoulder and she turns 483 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: around and looks at him, and she grabs her hair 484 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: and starts pulling on her hair and starts coming off, 485 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: and it's a wig. And it was literally the mother 486 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 1: the whole time, pretending to be a little girl in 487 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: the woods. And he's once he kind of snapped, I 488 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: guess into reality and realized what it was. He kind 489 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: of realized that he knew this all along, that he 490 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: and he was somehow suppressing it or something, and it 491 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: was I mean, for decades it was a mystery. But 492 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: to me, it was the scariest because it wasn't a ghost. 493 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 1: What's scarier than a ghost an old lady pretending to 494 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,239 Speaker 1: be a little girl in the woods because she's like 495 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: snapped because something out of grief or whatever. That really 496 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: scared me. And the guy was so genuine. It's a 497 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: real story, and just like the way he was talking 498 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: about it, I just that's one I just couldn't shake. 499 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: I was like, this is just gives me the I 500 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: don't even know. I just like it's like that wouldn't 501 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: have been in the news or anything. How do you 502 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: find this guy? I found this story on Reddit and 503 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: what's funny is um actually actually Mike found it on 504 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: Reddit and it didn't have that many likes even. It 505 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: was just kind of just buried in some subreddit I'm 506 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: not sure which one. And I saw in the comments 507 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: that some guy said, hey, that's my story. You stole 508 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: my story. This didn't happen to you. I originally posted 509 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: this on uh some other random like bands website, like 510 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: in their like forum. It's we go to that, And 511 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: sure enough, this guy posted this story years earlier. This 512 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: was like back in two thousand and ten, this guy 513 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: posted this, and I was like, what are the chances 514 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: this guy gets back to me? And sure enough he did, 515 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, man, this is like the scariest 516 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: story ever. I hope he doesn't bail. And literally, um, 517 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: he messed at the hotel and the first thing he 518 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: said was, hey guys, I'm not gonna lie. Almost bailed 519 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: in the lobby. I was like, just because he was 520 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: like having second thoughts, should I tell this story? Like 521 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: should I? You know, is this dumb? I was like, no, man, 522 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: this is like, this is a genuinely scary story, and 523 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: I believe you. Let's tell it. I mean, like, that's 524 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: the thing about you know, some people, you know, if 525 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: they're like doubters, might want to say, you know, this 526 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: story isn't true or you know whatever, but like to 527 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: be honest, on the other side of this, the production 528 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: side of this, most of these people were very um 529 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: reluctant at times to to tell all the details because 530 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: they're real stories and they're just like any other interview 531 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: subject who experienced the things scary. They're like, yeah, no 532 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: one's gonna believe me, or you know, it was a 533 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: horrifying experience that there you know, uh, cautious about reliving, 534 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, so that's really what we're experiencing. And most 535 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: of the time it's like people being like, I don't know, 536 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: they're not just chopping at the bit to tell me 537 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: their story for Radio rental rightly experience that it's kind 538 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: of scary, right yeah. And there's one well, there's uh 539 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: one thing that I respect immensely is I know that 540 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: you and your team did uh did a lot of 541 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: fact checking too, Like does this match up with this chronology? Right? Absolutely? 542 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: And what's interesting about Laura in the Woods in particular, 543 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: which goes to something um that you mentioned nol, is 544 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: this absolutely this absolutely could happen. And until there is 545 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: a crime committed, an actual crime there's no there's no 546 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: reason law enforcement would be involved. It's not there's not 547 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: a law against dressing up as you are deceased child. 548 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: How would you write it? You know, let's take a 549 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: quick break and have a word from our sponsor and 550 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: then back with more from pain lendsay and we are back. 551 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: Can I bring up a story that it feels very 552 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: similar to this to me? Um, it's one that's just 553 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: titled ham and cheese, like it's it's just a ham 554 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: and cheese sandwich or whatever, forget. So it's a perfect 555 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: it's a perfect story for us to discuss on this show. 556 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: It's it's about a man who's working as a sandwich 557 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: I forget the title of it. But he makes sandwiches 558 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: with subway right, and he's just at work one day. Uh. 559 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: He says. He lives in kind of a seedy part 560 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: of town, so people are a little cautious. But it's not, 561 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: you know, terribly scary out there. He's just at a subway, right, 562 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: and he's going about his every day. Some dude walks in, uh, 563 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: and I don't I can't remember exact actually how he 564 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: describes him. All I remember is, um, he looks I 565 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: think he's got like dark, dark features, like dark. He 566 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: was the Middle Eastern, and he said he described him 567 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: looking a little bit like him, not not like exactly, 568 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: but kind of the same kind of dark features, uh, 569 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: you know, dark eyebrows, Yeah, and kind of a younger man. Um. 570 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: And the one thing he really noticed was the man 571 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: always kept his hand in his like his waistband in 572 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: the back behind his back, kind of thumbing his waistband, 573 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: Like what are you doing back there? Man? And he 574 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: got this vibe when he walked into just like just 575 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: kind of instincts like something's not right about this guy, 576 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: Like he is there a gun behind his back? Is 577 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: there a knife? Like? What is he doing? Yeah? And 578 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: he's being really quiet and just you know, if he's 579 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: gonna say, if he says anything, it's quick and and 580 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,479 Speaker 1: that's it. And the dude is just super nervous. They're 581 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: making He asked him, you know, what what do you want? 582 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: The dude just says hamm and cheese, ham and swim 583 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: and Swiss. Yeah it was Swiss. And so you know, 584 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: as a sandwich professional, there I forget this sandwich artist. 585 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: Sandwich artists. He's making the sandwich and everything. And then 586 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: he has to ask him, do you want it toasted? Right? 587 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: And there's this moment where he knows he's getting this 588 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: vibe off of this guy, like something's wrong because it's 589 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: going to be a robbery. Yeah, exactly, And he he 590 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: has to ask him, do you want it toasted? And 591 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: he knows that to toast it if he does want it, 592 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: he's got to turn his back to the dude for 593 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: a little bit. Wait, they toasted subway. I thought that 594 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: was all the quizzes been toasted in California somewhere. This 595 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: is in l A somewhere, Okay. So so he asked 596 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: him this and the guy is just like, yeah, fine, whatever, 597 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: Yeah toasted. So he turns around to do this thing. 598 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: Are our protagonist here is really really nervous and there's 599 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: nothing on this sandwich but bread ham and Swiss, and 600 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: he just turns around to do He's like wrapping it 601 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: up to put it in the toaster, and for some reason, 602 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: his nerves get to him, everything gets to him, and 603 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: the sandwich falls, right. He drops the sandwrops the sandwich 604 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: man and it lands in a very certain, very certain way. Right. 605 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: It's almost like a pattern with this. Yeah, he just 606 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: kind of like as soon as he dropped it, which 607 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: he'd never done in a thousand times, and he drops 608 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: the sandwich and like right as he's dropping it, it's 609 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: like time slowed down or something, and this overwhelming rush 610 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: of deja vu kind of hits him. And so as 611 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: the sandwich is falling and the way the cheese landed, 612 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: he was like really kind of taking note of what 613 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: it looked like, almost like I just had this deja 614 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: vu I've been here, I've seen this before thing. And 615 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: like right after he gets out of his own head, 616 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: he looks up because he's like, oh, ship, that guy's here. 617 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: And he's just gone, like, not there at all. I 618 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: didn't hear the door open or close. Had only been 619 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,479 Speaker 1: a couple of seconds maybe, And his first instinct is 620 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: where is this guy? So he runs on the parking lot. 621 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: There's not even a car in the parking lot. There's 622 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: nothing there. He even goes around the corner. There's just 623 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 1: no people around. Right now, He's like, that makes no sense. 624 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: How did that happen? Like, I mean, I guess he 625 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: ran was there a getaway car in the restroom or 626 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: something that would be the only other option nowhere to 627 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: be found, And He's like, okay, whatever, right, weird enough, 628 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: but it gets weirder, yeah, because I think it's a 629 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: week or so a little and he's back, you know, 630 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: at work doing his thing and here's the door open 631 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 1: and looks up and it's really strange because it looks 632 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: like pretty much the same guy but older. Yeah, like 633 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 1: really really similar almost, if not the same guy, but older, 634 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: like discernibly older. Right, Yes, dude comes up, asked for 635 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 1: a sandwich? What was he asked for? Hammond Swiss? And 636 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: he's got that same vibe to this, just kind of like, okay, 637 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: the same vibe that the other guy gave him as 638 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: soon as he walked in. And then he said him 639 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,399 Speaker 1: and Swiss. He's like, okay, what's going on? But I mean, also, 640 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, common sandwich. But then when he noticed him 641 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: thumbing in his waistband, he's like, you're kidding me, right, Like, 642 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: what is this person doing? Is he messing with me? Yeah? 643 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 1: And so it gets to the part where he's has 644 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: to ask him if he wants it toasted, and this 645 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: to him is like the drum roll ultimate test if 646 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna die or if this is just the weirdest 647 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: thing ever. If he says, yes, I'm gonna die. And 648 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,240 Speaker 1: so he asked the guy, do you want it toasted? 649 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: He's just like, no, I'm good, and he's like, oh, okay, cool, 650 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: So he's good. He's all it's all good, it's fine, 651 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: and then he goes through the checkout process and he 652 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: goes it's kind of tangent about how and I guess 653 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: there's some tax or something in uh, California if you 654 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 1: want it to or for hot food. For hot food, 655 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: if you wanted it toasted, it's been cooked. Basically, if 656 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: you used energy in order to write, it's like ten 657 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: cents or something. But they have a conversation about that, 658 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: and then the guy kind of gives him a snark 659 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: remark back and was like, you know, I would have 660 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: paid the tax. It's not why I that's not why 661 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: I did. And he's like yeah, obviously, like and so 662 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: he's claiming, like whatever, and he pays for the sandwich 663 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: and then he walks to the door and he's just 664 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: turns around and looks at him and he kind of 665 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,439 Speaker 1: gives him this all knowing grin, and he just says, 666 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: I just don't want you to drop it, and then 667 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: walks out the door. It's like what and he said, 668 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: it literally just scared these out of it. Beautiful. And 669 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: then for background, for anybody who's not too familiar with 670 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: the Sandwich Change subway, a lot of people probably hearing 671 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: this story, hearing Radio Rental and thinking, well, doesn't he 672 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: have co workers or something? Not? Really subway is not 673 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: like at night. Yeah, the subway is notorious for having 674 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: one to like a maximum of three people. So uh, 675 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: Salinger said, you know, if I'm paraphrasing that, the mark 676 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: of a good story to him is that when the 677 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 1: story is over, you don't want it to end. You 678 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: want to know what else happens to the characters. And 679 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: that's one thing that I think is powerful about this 680 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: this story in particular, because every like everybody listening now 681 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: to this episode, listening to Radio Rental is probably going 682 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: to say, well, what happened to l A sandwich guy? 683 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: Is like, is he all right? So I wanted to 684 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: pose it to you guys, like for potential possibilities of 685 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: what happened there and we we you know, assuming that 686 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: this is an absolute true story and it happened the 687 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: way this this person said it happened, right, So is 688 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: it possible that It's like a father and son who 689 00:37:54,520 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: are incredibly similar, and like the son told him a story. 690 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 1: What do you think is it a time travel situation 691 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: or is it a really elaborate kind of stalking, kind 692 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: of like troll kind of situation. That's yeah, I don't know, Yeah, 693 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: I mean maybe, but why did he look so different 694 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: and so much older only a couple of weeks later? 695 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 1: And elaborate prank sounds a little Rube Goldberg guess for this, 696 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: a little like the mouse trap game. But the first 697 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 1: thing I had thought of was, you know, a familiar 698 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: relation uncle son, father's son, something like that. Um, given 699 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: the age difference. But to what end though, I don't understand, Like, 700 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,720 Speaker 1: like what what's what's what are you accomplishing? We travel 701 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: to l a a lot man, that place is crazy. Yeah, 702 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: but uh, but that the familial relation could also explain 703 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: certain physical habits like tucking one arm back just a 704 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 1: major coincidence, right, maybe maybe, but that's the thing, you know, 705 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:57,240 Speaker 1: that's uh, there are like we can we can all 706 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: rationally accept one to two coincidences, right, but as coincidence 707 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: as they accrete over the course of something with the similarities. Uh, 708 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: the sandwich even though, I think we're all being pretty 709 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: fair in our skepticism. Like you pointed out paying, You're like, well, 710 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: it's a common sandwich, but but they have they make 711 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: many different kinds of sandwiches. So we've got physical similarity, right, 712 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: We've got physical similar mannerisms, same sandwich. We've got what 713 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: appears to be a reference to the earlier situation. One 714 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: of the questions I would ask is did the door 715 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: ding when the guy opened it and walked out, because 716 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: we see him walk out. He remembers no sound of 717 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,720 Speaker 1: the ding the first time. Yeah, the first time, so 718 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: uh yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's it's 719 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,800 Speaker 1: almost like trying to figure out the nuts and bolts 720 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: behind the magic trick. Right. Yeah. The did have one 721 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 1: printed question. He is in California, A certain substance is 722 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: legal there. He is at work. Yeah, I was like, 723 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: were you high? He he wasn't. Okay, okay, Because that 724 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: that moment, I'm not saying I recognized this moment or 725 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: identify with it, but the moment of like something happening 726 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 1: like oh man, I just dropped the sandwich I was 727 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: making for somebody, and I watched it hit the ground 728 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 1: and it's intriguing to me for some reason or another. 729 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: If in that state, I could imagine that it takes 730 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,280 Speaker 1: longer than you thought, Like you spend more time staring 731 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: at the cheese than you thought totally, and maybe you're 732 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: like tuned out a little more. That dude just like 733 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 1: takes off and you're just like, oh man, this feels weird. 734 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: Wait where that guy go? Yeah, And this guy is 735 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: totally willing to accept that that's what happened, right, He's 736 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 1: not like this had to be some ripple in time. 737 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: He's like, you know, rash and only speaking. It was 738 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: probably a guy who was gonna try to rob him. 739 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: In the beginning, he freaked out and like didn't realize 740 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: how long he looked at the ground and was super 741 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 1: nervous in his own head. And the guy just darted 742 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,919 Speaker 1: out of there quickly and just got the hell out. 743 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: And then the next week or two was just a 744 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: super strange coincidence. And that guy has no idea how 745 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: much it terrified him, but it was really kind of 746 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: just the way that it felt to him. It was like, 747 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 1: you know, and and maybe he just played it up 748 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 1: in his head, because I mean, the guy when he 749 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,879 Speaker 1: looked at him leaving the second time, he just said 750 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,879 Speaker 1: he had this this vibe is feeling about him where 751 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 1: he's like, got you, you son of a bitch, like, 752 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: and he was like, it just felt like that to me. 753 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 1: Maybe that's in his own head, but like it was 754 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: really just the feelings and the way that like his 755 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: own sensory was kind of going off, coupled with all 756 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: the coincidences and just the strangers of it that made 757 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,959 Speaker 1: him I feel like maybe it was something more, maybe 758 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,839 Speaker 1: could be something more, but like what And he doesn't know. Yeah, 759 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 1: And I think that that ambiguity too, is a huge 760 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: part of it because everybody has had We've all had 761 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: some moment in our lives where something at the very 762 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 1: edge of the map of things we can explain occurs, right, 763 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,320 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, as people are listening to this episode, 764 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: we're probably hearing stories as a matter of fact, you 765 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: know what, right to us, right to know old pain, Matt, 766 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: Paul and I with your own strange stories. Definitely. Yeah, 767 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: are you guys still accepting stories for We've had a 768 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 1: bunch of amazing submissions. Um, we have an email if 769 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: you want to send them. It's just your scary story 770 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. So if you have what you 771 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: think is your radio rental story and you want to 772 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: tell it, then we'll see what happens. Wow. Yeah, okay, well, 773 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 1: you know we're we're getting close to time here. I 774 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: do want to bring up just before we close here, 775 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 1: there are some stories in there about real encounters with 776 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 1: killers in in radio Rental and I'm not going to 777 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: spoil those because those are some of the most impactful 778 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: uh stories within the show and for me, um, we can. 779 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: I just want to mention some of the names. So like, 780 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 1: if you're interested out there listening to this and you 781 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,840 Speaker 1: want to look up some of these killers that I 782 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 1: was somewhat unaware of before listening to this. Um you 783 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: guys touch on Mark Goodoh, the baseline killer. Yeah in Phoenix. Yeah, 784 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: and there's a story in there that is so freaking creepy. 785 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,320 Speaker 1: That's one of the scariest ones. I think. I completely agree. 786 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: I talk to you stop Okay, who was that, by 787 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: the way, and who said can I talk? So the 788 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,360 Speaker 1: um the lady that I was interviewing, she was really 789 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: sweet and she had a great voice, and she just 790 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,719 Speaker 1: into the character and was like, yeah, I went, you know, 791 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 1: open the window. And he just said, can I talk 792 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 1: to you? And so she that's her read it and 793 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: we just kind of like altered her voice a couple 794 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 1: of times to kind of make it, but she whispered 795 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,840 Speaker 1: it several times in her interview, and I was like, Wow, 796 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 1: it was creepy hearing her just imitate him. That's not right. 797 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: But but and that's a story. I don't want to 798 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: spoil any of that. It's just it's there's another story 799 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: about another serial killer that ends up getting encountered in 800 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: Baton Rouge, in mad Rouge, where there's that moment where 801 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,439 Speaker 1: this guy could have been picked up by police that night. 802 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,319 Speaker 1: If things that would have gone one way, he could 803 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,799 Speaker 1: have also killed this person's girlfriend that night. And So 804 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: when you think about just the concept of multi universes, 805 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: which we we like to talk about a lot on 806 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,280 Speaker 1: this show, where all of these different things are occurring, 807 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:59,360 Speaker 1: you know somewhere out there within this realm Um, that 808 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,319 Speaker 1: the story worry that you have exists in this this 809 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 1: version of our reality where again I won't spoil it, 810 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: but what happened happened in that story. It's crazy. So 811 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: what are Pain and Matt talking about? We won't tell 812 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: you but you can learn for yourself when you dive 813 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 1: into radio rental. The first season is available in its 814 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,800 Speaker 1: entirety now wherever you're listening to podcasts, wherever you found 815 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 1: this show probably and we guarantee you it's a wild ride. Also, 816 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 1: I love that we mentioned this earlier when to hit 817 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:45,399 Speaker 1: it again. You may end up being part of part 818 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:50,799 Speaker 1: of the narrative in subsequent seasons. If that is, you 819 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,360 Speaker 1: have a story of your own and you email Pain 820 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,879 Speaker 1: and his team in the meantime. Of course, Pain as all, 821 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being so generous with your time. 822 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,319 Speaker 1: Man coming on, It's always a pleasure. 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