1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: I'm an optimist. I'm a believer, so I'm always thinking 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: why not me? So for me, I was in that time, 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, all right, just a matter of time. 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: The ball's gonna break my way. Eventually, I'm I'm a winner. 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: It has to break my way. And so so it's 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: just a matter of time. So let me just do 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: my reps so that when they call, when it's go time, 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: I'm ready to get busy. Coming up on this edition 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: of Naked, actor writer producer Omar Miller. On this edition 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: of Naked, It's the greatest Sportson and the tainment carry 11 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: champion and carry champions to be champion, Champion. They carry champion, Champion, 12 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: They carry champion and carry champion. So on today's podcast 13 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: we have Omar Benson Miller. He is an actor, a writer, 14 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: and I assume a creative on all levels because usually 15 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: it takes that left brain to do all of those things. 16 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: But more importantly, he's just a good human. And on 17 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: today's podcast we talk about being an actor in this world, 18 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: dealing with the eagle that could come with that, and 19 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: also the responsibility that comes with knowing you're better than 20 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: how people perceive you. This meant a lot to me 21 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons, because I've known Omar for, 22 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: as we just figured out, almost a decade. I met 23 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: him when I first started working in sports at the 24 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: Tennis Channel, and of all places, I've met him at 25 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: Roland Garrows, which is the French Open, and it was 26 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: in Paris, and I remember thinking, what a nice person, 27 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: what a nice guy. And I was very familiar with 28 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: them because everyone's seen eight Mile. He was in eight Mile, 29 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: Eminem's buddy. He played that guy who did the thing 30 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: for Eminem, and I was always thinking, I believe him. 31 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: I believe they could actually be friends. And when I 32 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: had a chance to meet him, I was like, I 33 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: see why. Just a good guy all around. Now here's 34 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: what's funny. He wanted to be a professional baseball player. 35 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,839 Speaker 1: I would have never thought that, yes, tall, athletic, all 36 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: of the things. But I would have never thought that 37 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: someone whose baseball dreams in a way would ultimately end 38 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: up being in theater by accident. His words, not mine. 39 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: But most importantly, I was able to find out so 40 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: much more about the guy who I always just considered 41 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: a nice guy, who was a good actor, who was 42 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: working consistently. He's a deep thinker. I told him that 43 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: I was going to call this episode the Preacher. The 44 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: reason why I wanted to call it because he had 45 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: a lot of life hacks. He had a lot of 46 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: gems to drop, agree or disagree. You can tell that 47 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: he thinks, he reads, he sees the world differently, and 48 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: I think oftentimes we can get very comfortable and complacent 49 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: in our choices. So take a listen to the actor 50 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: Omar Binson Miller. He joins me the exact day that 51 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: his new television series True Lies, which will be on CBS, debuts, 52 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: So I appreciate him for coming on the Carriage Champion 53 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: show as well as a naked He did it two 54 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: a day for me. Take a listen and tell me 55 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: what's you think? Champion and Carriage Champion and Omar Miller 56 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: is on naked um Omar, I think that it's interesting 57 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: in the way in which you've been able to guide 58 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: your life in your career. I'm a fan of who 59 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: you are more so, I guess off camera on camera 60 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: is beautiful too, But off camera, I'm really interested in 61 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: getting to know how curious you are. He seemed like 62 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: a naturally curious person. When did that start at what age, 63 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: since I can have memory because I grew up the 64 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: youngest of seven kids, So I grew up learning a world. 65 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: I had a fantastic I said, childhood. So I grew 66 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: up learning a world that was protected and shocked, full 67 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: of love. And so with that, I was always encouraged 68 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: to explore and ask questions and learn. And I learned 69 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: a lot from my siblings. I learned by watching them, 70 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: but I learned a lot by by asking them, specifically 71 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: asking them stuff. So for me, the curiosity opened up 72 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: my you know, my life and my opportunities early. And 73 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: so did mimicking, you know, my brothers and my sister 74 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: and my parents, and so it was, you know, I 75 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: had a really interesting childhood that led me to become 76 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: a curious person. I tried not to be set a 77 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: rigid You said, seven kids. That's they don't do that 78 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: unless you're in the South. So I'm kidding, but like 79 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,239 Speaker 1: it's unheard of to hear I have seven brothers or sisters. 80 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: Where do you sit in that line? I'm the last one, 81 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I grew up. I was the 82 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: last one. So I grew up watching people who were 83 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: older than me. Already and also kind of, like we 84 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, my parents, by the time I 85 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: came about, my parents had a better handle on parents. 86 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: It's got to be tough for kids. Yeah, it's gotta 87 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: be tough for kids who were early in the order, because, 88 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: like I was talking about, you know, weird people, we 89 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: aren't necessarily good at anything the first couple of times 90 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 1: we do it. So when you think about that something 91 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: as important as parenting, your parents are learning on the 92 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: go too, you know, and so and my parents were 93 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: already seasoned. So by the time I got to the mix, 94 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: you know, we it was, it was already establaged. And yes, 95 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: you're you're right. My father is from Mississippi, so my 96 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: parents are Southern and they do it. This is a 97 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: lot of a whole lot of appropriation takes place in 98 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: the South. Yeah, in the sport of listeners. He's saying earlier, 99 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: because when we are recording this, he came on my 100 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: TV show earlier and knocked out the part. Yes, sure 101 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: you all, I paid it and you have to watch 102 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: the episode with Omar Miller. Amazing job. He made me 103 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: laugh after goat silly. We were very honest about a 104 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: lot of things. I am also very curious when you 105 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: say you have a great childhood, you grew up with 106 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: a lot of love, and that's a huge, huge So 107 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: that's a huge family, Like seven kids, seven young kids 108 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: roaming around. What did your parents do? My parents owned 109 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: dry cleaners, So they used to joke about and said 110 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: we were like the Jeffersons because because around the time 111 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: of the Jeffersons, we moved out of the inner city 112 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: to Orange County. And so my oldest brother is sixteen 113 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: years older than me, So there's a long range for us. 114 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: And so my parents, Yeah, my parents had businesses all 115 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: over Los Angeles, all throughout south central Los Angeles and 116 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: the South Bay and the whole song and Dance and 117 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: they did really well for a spell there, and they 118 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: were able to sustain, you know, a house was settling 119 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: kids and two adults, and the plethora of friends and 120 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: family and everybody else who came to stay with us. Well, 121 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: that's beautiful. So, Dan, would you would your older brothers 122 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: and sisters describe you as spoiled when you were younger 123 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: or would they say you were pretty even? I think 124 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: it depends on which one you ask, you know, So 125 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: it's a there's a there's I don't think there's just 126 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: a one way answer. I think that my parents, like 127 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: most parents that I've recognized now, the more children that 128 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: come become a little bit softer and lighter handed, and 129 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: so in that I came at a later point in 130 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: their relationship. So it came with a you know, I 131 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: think that came with a different understanding about parenting. But 132 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: I also, I tell you what, I've been blessed in 133 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: my life to learn the easy way. I'm not somebody 134 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: that's interested in learning the heart way, leer. And I 135 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: saw that early with my siblings. And I saw a 136 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: couple of my siblings learned things the hard way, and 137 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,559 Speaker 1: I was like, that is not for me. I don't 138 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: need that. I can, I can, I can see that 139 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: example and go the other direction. I'm not gonna do it. 140 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: Got it that I am the absolute opposite. And I 141 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: don't know if that is because I'm the only child, 142 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: but I am the absolutely you're an only child, I 143 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: have well, let me be clear. I have a half brother, 144 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: and I have two half brothers and a half sister. 145 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: But because Papa was a rolling stone and I grew 146 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: up essentially as an only child, just my mother and myself. 147 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: So so I feel like I am the person. My 148 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: mother put a lot of fire in my belly, as 149 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: I like to say, because she had me so young 150 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: and she was fiery. And when you say, by the 151 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: time you came along your your parents probably were softer 152 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: and you learned in a different way. I talked to 153 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: her often about how I was raised, and I think 154 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: now my mother is in her sixties, she's so much softer, 155 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: so much easier, so much simple, right, or if she 156 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: had to do it again, she'd probably give me more 157 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: of that for my younger year. With that being said, 158 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: did you did you ever know early on that you 159 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: were going to be an actor? Did you find yourself 160 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: in or no way? No way, Well what would you 161 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: want to set out? No? No, no, no, no. I was. 162 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: I was an athlete. I was an athlete before my 163 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: leg went crooked and I busted my knees. Blah blah 164 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. Man. I wish they had load 165 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: management when I was a kid, I might actually, but 166 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: uh yeah, before before I sacrificed my body um for sports, 167 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: and so I grew up in business. Right, So in 168 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: my mind, I was either going to be a professional 169 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: baseball player, or I was going to be some sort 170 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: of an import exporter. So we had a family business, 171 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: and for me, I was familiar with business. I went 172 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: to school with the idea that I was going to 173 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: play sports and stumbled into the theater. I didn't. I 174 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: wasn't planning on being an entertainer by any means. No way. 175 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: I was entertaining, you know. But but being entertaining it's 176 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: different than being a professional entertainer. When you know when 177 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: the light's going, it's a lot of pretty women out there, 178 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they can do what you do, you 179 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean. You have a talent, you have 180 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: a skill, and you've practiced it in it's a craft. 181 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: Same thing for me. A lot of funny dudes. Matter 182 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: of fact, athletes to the funniest people on the planet. Man. 183 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: Athletes are way funnier than comedian. It's like if you 184 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: hang out, when you hang out, athlete to the locker 185 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: rooms and stuff. Men and dudes are hilarious. But that 186 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that if you turn the camera on and 187 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: put it on them, they could make people laugh. Do 188 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: you not believe that how some people were born to 189 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: do what they do. So here's my thought process on that. 190 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: Because a kid, I knew I would be doing some 191 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: former fashion of this. Oh like a calling for me. 192 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: When you were going to be a professional athlete and 193 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: you were entertaining, do you look back now and say, oh, 194 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: it all makes sense. The dream of business and entertainment 195 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: not in business is still there, but the professional side 196 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: of being a professional Parthley goes away and you stumbled 197 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: into acting. Did it seem natural? The theater seem natural 198 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: for you, so natural that you look up and you're like, oh, 199 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: I was I was born for this. I'm gonna say 200 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: this in the least arrogant way that I can. Okay, 201 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,359 Speaker 1: I'm good at a lot of stuff. I'm good at languages. 202 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: I'm good at entertainment or performance. I used to be 203 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: good at sports. I'm good at im because of the 204 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: way I grew up again, because I grew up it's 205 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: fully loved. I have no reason to not be a 206 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: successful person. I grew up in a household with both parents, 207 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: with a lot of love and protection and a lot 208 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: of examples of what too were not to do. So 209 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: for me, I can think of ways when I look 210 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: back and say, oh, okay, this, Doing this helped me 211 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: with this and for certain the fact that I love 212 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 1: baseball and baseball is a failure sport that has helped 213 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: me when it came time to start auditioning and hearing no. 214 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: Because in baseball, if you get it right three out 215 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: of ten times, you're one of the greatest people to 216 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: ever do it. Ever, So I mean you failed seven times. 217 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: So that is built in the understanding problem, sessing of 218 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: rejection and failure. A lot of people don't have that, 219 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: and so in that it becomes devastating for them and 220 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: it can grind them down to hear the nose that 221 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: are a necessary part of the success of having a 222 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: career in entertainment, unless you're you know, somebody's son or brother, 223 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: unless you're a Neppo baby. You know, but I think 224 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: that you know. But for me, I could have easily 225 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: not done this and been just as happy doing something 226 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: else because there's a real sacrifice with this kind of work. 227 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: It's a real there's a real you know. You know, 228 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: there's a there's a real you really there's a trade off. 229 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: There's a tradeoff on where you can live, there's a 230 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: tradeoff on how your life is. There's a tradeoff on 231 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: needs that you have, you know what I mean. So 232 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: it's like in that I could, I could very much 233 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: so have done something else and gotten into another business 234 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: or another field and been cool. You said that knows 235 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: aren't necessary to be successful. Why is that? Well, you know, 236 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: part of it is if every day is a sunny day, 237 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: then what's a sunny day? There's a there's a bit 238 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: of that. I think, kind of like we were speaking 239 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: about earlier, there's a greatness fatigue. You can you can 240 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: get a success fatigue if things always work for you. 241 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: And then eventually, the way that this life is set up. 242 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody told you, but the way 243 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: that life is set up, eventually something's not going to 244 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: go your way. And in that how you process that 245 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: is going to determine a whole lot about where you 246 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: move forward and how you move forward in life. So 247 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: I think, no matter what's your field, there are failures 248 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: that are to be told. Failure is an essential part 249 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: of success because because another piece of it is, for example, 250 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: there's a big difference between making money and keeping money. 251 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: I know a whole lot of people who make a 252 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: bunch of money, they don't keep any of them, and 253 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: these are two different muscles, just like there's a different 254 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: muscle between auditioning and actually performing the role. So I 255 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: think that for success, if you don't have the failures 256 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: that actually make you appreciate the success. When you actually 257 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: attain success, whether it's quick or slow, whether it takes 258 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: some time or whether it happens fairly quickly for you, 259 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: you won't know how to process that and you won't 260 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: know how to maintain that because you haven't had the 261 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: failures to set you up. And now this is coming 262 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: from somebody who's had a good deal success in this business, 263 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: particularly you know you said, but lures set you up 264 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: to what does it do for me? It helps me 265 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: appreciate the moments, It helps me understand what it took 266 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: to arrive what it helps me. Um also also live 267 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: with humility, because I think that that's imperative. I mean 268 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: imperative to success as humility. And I also ununderstand that 269 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: there was really beauty in the journey because it's still 270 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: a journey, right, So all of those things helped me 271 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: every single day as I get up and do what 272 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: I love, as I get up and do the things 273 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: that I prayed for, as I get up and have 274 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: the access that I didn't necessarily know would come with this. 275 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: But I'm okay with that. So when you talk about Phil, 276 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: they have to be because you said you had a 277 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: lot of success, which I think, let's just go. But 278 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: I've never not known you to work. Meaning actors can 279 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: go through droughts, significant droughts, and some can rebound in 280 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: an amazing way and they find it. Or you could 281 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: be hot and it could be ag it for a 282 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: moment and then it disappears it's fleeting, right, and then 283 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: how do you handle that? I look at you and think, 284 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: where were your failures, if you will, in terms of 285 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: what you do in your Yeah, well, I mean they're 286 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: they're not just in my mind, but there's some some 287 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: actual factual examples. So for me, there there's quite a few. 288 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: So for example, before streaming and all this other stuff, 289 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: there was basically you either were a movie actor or 290 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: you were a television actor. And it used to be 291 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: the good actors were in the movies and the good 292 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: looking people were on television. They weren't necessarily considered to 293 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: be really good actors. And so early on I made 294 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: a decision to be in the movies that's stayed it again. 295 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: The good actors there were movie stars, yeah, and and 296 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: good looking people yeah. Interesting looking people are good looking 297 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: people were on TV and they made a bunch of 298 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: money to be on TV. But they weren't. And I'm 299 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: talking about when I first got started in early two thousands, right, 300 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: But you would never have the same reaction from a 301 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: television star. And I'm talking about in real life that 302 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: you would if you saw a movie star in real life, 303 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: you would you would see the movie sharing whoa because 304 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: that's that was considered you know, upper echelon, that's that's 305 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: being that's that person. You know what I mean. Yeah, 306 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: there's there, There was, there was it was clear. It 307 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: wasn't This wasn't even up for debate. So for me, 308 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: when I first got out of school, I was like, 309 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: all right, well, I want to shoot for the top. 310 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: I like to consider myself a good act and so 311 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: you know, I got in a movie early and I 312 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: got my third audition or something like that. I got 313 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: in the movie, had a small role in the movie 314 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: called Sorority Boys. And then the next thing that I 315 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: did was eight Month, which changed the world for me. 316 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: But then I was tapped by Forrest Whittaker to play 317 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: fat Albert and it was gonna be awesome, and Forrest 318 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: Whittaker and Bill Cosby ended up getting into some creative 319 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: differences that made the project fall apart. YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA. 320 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: So when Forrest was out, I was out, basically, right. 321 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: That was one that I considered to be a failure 322 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: because I had to bounce back from that because I 323 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: was about to come out of the box for the 324 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: first time for people seeing me with this incredible running 325 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: movies which changed. But one of the clear failure that 326 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: I would say is then when things started to change 327 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: and you could do television and movies right. I started 328 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: to do CSI Miami based on doing a movie with 329 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: Jerry Bruckheimer, and he blessed me. He saw my talent, 330 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: he blessed me, and he had them create a role 331 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: for me on C Side Miami, which at the time 332 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: was the biggest show in the world. I had never 333 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: really done consistent TV, so I was sleep on the 334 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: power of television. I have to be honest. When I 335 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: got on S Side Miami, everything changed in a specific way. 336 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: Because I can't get off the plane now without being recognized. 337 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: I don't care, man, I mean off the plane anywhere 338 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: on the planet, because that show was massive. When you 339 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: do movies, people see the movies, but it's not the 340 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: same because when you when you do TV, like a 341 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: procedural show like See Inside Miami, I had people come 342 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: up to me and say, man, you sleep with my 343 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: wife every night. It's like, whoa huh I do? So 344 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: it's uh. It's when you're in people's house. There's a 345 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: different connection that they feel with you. There's a different 346 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: way that they feel like you know what I mean, 347 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: that they're really connect for sure. But after I did 348 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: See Inside in Miami, I did it for three years 349 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: and then I didn't have a job for almost two years, 350 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: probably a gear of like eighteen months I didn't have 351 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: a job. And it was a director that I had 352 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: worked with on the film before who asked me to 353 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: do another film with him called Home Front of Jason 354 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: Statham's action Flip, and that got me back popping. But 355 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: there was, you know, eighteen months of being around the house, 356 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: of not getting phone calls returning from agents, of being like, damn, 357 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: is it over, I'm not gonna work, Like do I 358 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: need to go do something else? And those are the 359 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: kind of things. Then even when I did that piece, 360 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: I did that, nothing came about again until another fourteen months. 361 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: So for me, that actually works for somebody like me 362 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: because I like to do other things other than just entertainment. 363 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: I think the things that make me good at entertainment 364 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: is the fact that I'm actually in the world and 365 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: get to absorb life and material so then I can 366 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: duplicate that life so that then when you watch it, 367 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: it feels like something that's in real life, and that's 368 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: something that's in a bubble that's separate from real life. 369 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: So I've had my share, you know, I've had my 370 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: share of times times I've almost lost my house and 371 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: all kind of stuff. So yeah, so if you've okay, 372 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: So that's what I'm talking about. So, like that's tangible 373 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:37,239 Speaker 1: because if I'm at home and I'm I'm sally Um 374 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: Alabama and all I've ever wanted to do is just 375 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: get a guest role or maybe even be a seat 376 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: filler for that matter. Right, And I'm like saying, he 377 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: was don't worry about eighteen months, and then he wasn't 378 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: that he wasn't working here for fourteen months, but he's 379 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: still working like, you're so excited, but there are the 380 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: commitments that come with or the lifestyle that you live 381 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: that come with working and you not working people sauces. 382 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: Do you know how that's where people? That's the biggest fear, 383 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: the financial fear, honest biggest fear. And if you experience that, 384 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: which you have, how did it change your way in 385 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: your perspective when you started working again consistently? Although I 386 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: still think you've been working insistbody. That's still my point 387 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,239 Speaker 1: of view. It didn't change anything, thank you. But it 388 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: didn't change anything for me because I know what I 389 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: got into. So I got into a long shot business 390 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: and with that there's extreme highs and extreme loads, and 391 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. You know. Now, if I had 392 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: two or three kids and a wife to support that 393 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: I got to put kids in private school or this, 394 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: that and the other, maybe I would have a different perspective. 395 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: But it didn't change anything for me because I'm an optimist. 396 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: I'm a believer, so I'm always thinking why not me? 397 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: So for me, I was in that time, I'm like, man, 398 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: all right, just a matter of time, the ball's gonna 399 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: break my way. Eventually, I'm a winner. It has to 400 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: break my way, and so so it's just a matter 401 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: of time. So let me just do my reps so 402 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: that when they call, when it's go time, I'm ready 403 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: to get busy, already, already when they call my number, 404 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: I'm ready, I'm ready. Call me up, Coach, put me 405 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: in the game. I'm ready. What you yeah, yeah, we 406 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: have to pay the bills. I'm going to a quick break. 407 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: We will be back in just a few moments. Fast forward, 408 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: fast forward, fast forward. Every champion and carry champions to 409 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 1: be a champion of champion and carry champion, and carry champion. 410 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: A champion and carry champion and carry champion. Sportson and the 411 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: the Tamming can nake work very champion and carry champions. 412 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 1: To be a champion, a champion, they carry champion, they 413 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: d a champion, they carry champion and carry Champion. Ready 414 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: free Sportson and the Teaming can naked. Welcome back to 415 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: Naked Omar Benson Miller still here dropping knowledge. Pay attention. 416 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: It's always interesting because today when you were on the show, 417 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: the TV show, look at all my jobs, you said that, um, 418 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: all the time, all the jobs, right, because when you 419 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 1: go because it can go away. You know, I left 420 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: ESPN on my own and I and I have to 421 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: know I had no job up. I did a well. 422 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: That was their loss, by the way, and and and 423 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: by the way, they know that as well. I have 424 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: been asked to come back. But here's what I've experienced 425 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: since since leaving and learning um on the outside looking 426 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: and some people would be like, why'd you do that? 427 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: A lot of people said that to me, why'd you 428 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: do that? But I wasn't me. I didn't have the 429 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: freedom of the creative freedom to be and we were 430 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: at a very interesting time in our in our country 431 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: still on. You got to read that, you gotta read that, 432 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: and you read that well, and I was just like, 433 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: I was like, you're not going to allow me to 434 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: speak about something that is so near and dear and 435 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: it is infused and who I am as a black 436 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: person in America and you want me to get up 437 00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: here and give it. It It would have made an art 438 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: on you, a sleep, make the heart on you, to 439 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: be you outside of whatever that physical accolade or compensation. 440 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: Maybe this is, this is, it's so much deeper and 441 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 1: we have something. I don't mean to cut you off, 442 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: Please you remember where you are. I want to get 443 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: this out. We have something that's happened in our society 444 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: and in the culture that's really rough, which is it's 445 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: an anything goes situation when it comes to the cheese, 446 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: and we gotta get off that. And I understand listen, 447 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: don't people who really know me know you're hard pressed 448 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: to find it hard to hustle it than me. I 449 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: hustle hard, and I hustle hard my whole life, sometimes 450 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: good and sometimes bad. But we got to get off 451 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: that thing with that's the ultimate peak that that is 452 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: the pinnacle of everything, you know, because it's not just 453 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: so much more. Well, Okay, So for somebody I don't 454 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: know how you grew up, well I do based on 455 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: what you told me. I don't necessarily know if money 456 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: was ever an issue. But for so many people who 457 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: can't eat and can't and enter check to check when 458 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: you finally make it like a nobody taking this away, 459 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: that's one one thing. And there's another thing of showing 460 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 1: up every day on a national network, five days a 461 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: week and feeling the power of being recognized and people 462 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: can get telling you how great you are, and you 463 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: getting the access in the power. People don't want to 464 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: give that up and I often used to say this 465 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: intoxicating and it's it is addictive. And I often say 466 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: this about my colleague Jamaal when she when she walked away, 467 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, and I walked away. I mean, she didn't 468 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: have a choice in so many ways because she had 469 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: to be her. I was like, this is one of 470 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: the rare people that I know who really who really 471 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: doesn't care about being on TV every single day. This 472 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: is all I've ever done in my entire professional life. 473 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: So that was a choice, and it was a very 474 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: tough choice for me. But my spirit was so uneasy 475 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: since we started Coveringlin Kaepernick. It had been so uneasy. 476 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: We had a regime change, and it was very clear 477 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: what we could and couldn't talk about. We callin Kaepernick. 478 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: We were very clearly told we're not talking about what's 479 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: going on. And then I was like, I can't do this. 480 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do this and sleep at night. 481 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: So when you but but I struggled. My ego was 482 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: in turmoil. My ego was really feeling away. And what 483 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 1: I ask you when we talk about failures and not 484 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: being able to see ourselves every single day, because you 485 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: have two very specific examples when you felt like you 486 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: were working, and I have a different perspective. But what 487 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: part of your ego is necessary to do what you 488 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: do every single day and not be consumed by it 489 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: that well, that's that's the very fine line that you 490 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: have to keep an eye on each individual. For me, 491 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: the part of the ego that you need is the 492 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: part that I, thank god, I've never had a shortage on, 493 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: which is confidence. And it's a very fine line for 494 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: that confidence to slip into some sort of an arrogance. 495 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: I try to make sure that I don't do that, 496 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: and I have a bunch of humbling mechanisms that keep 497 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: me from that. I've been on both sides of the 498 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: ball when it comes to having and not having, both 499 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: growing up and as an adult. I would prefer to 500 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: have than to not have. But there is there is 501 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: more to it, you know. I've seen the ego destroy people, 502 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of people who cut off their 503 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: nose despite their face when it comes to this game, 504 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: and this game of entertainment also has a way of 505 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:49,479 Speaker 1: making people very bitter because of the access and the 506 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: privileges that come with success. When you're in front of 507 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: the camera, in front of the world it can make 508 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: you very temperamental when those privileges are revoked. So if 509 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: you're used to getting the table without waiting, and suddenly 510 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: you may not even be able to afford the meal, 511 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: let alone get to the spot. And people are like, oh, yeah, 512 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna be an hour like me for me, 513 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, And so that that portion of the ease, though, 514 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: you got to really do you have to figure out 515 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: for me. This is what I learned. You have to 516 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: figure out what things to take personally and what things 517 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: not to so that it can keep you hungry. I'm 518 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: somebody who believes that work is a good thing. We're 519 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: here to work, We're here to work. But I also 520 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: think creation is a good thing. We have this things 521 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: so what I'm talking about earlier, we have this thing 522 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: where we're really, really really consumers now and somebody like you, 523 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: I'm looking at you. I mean, I don't know what 524 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: else I'm going to catch you on or what else is? 525 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: What else I'm gonna do to promote something? Because you're 526 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: this is two different shows, two different platforms of what 527 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: you're doing. This is you created because you're producing and 528 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: creating stuff and putting it out there. And I am 529 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: sure that the fulfillment that you get from being able 530 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: to create and actually be you and freely you, in 531 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: comparison to being censored in sorts, it's worth whatever the 532 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: rub may be financially that you may hit, you may 533 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: have taken, because that's real freedom, you know. And and 534 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: so I think there's when you look at it, whether 535 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about athletics or whatever else, there's an in greatness. 536 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: There comes some of that ego and a lot I 537 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: think a lot of it is underpinned by confidence of 538 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,239 Speaker 1: knowing that you're good at something or knowing that you're 539 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: great at something. The danger is, and this is what 540 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: the Bible talks about, and you know, this is what 541 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: the who Own Holy Book speak about, is that the 542 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: danger is is that intoxication that comes with the success, 543 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: which can get you off track of what exactly it 544 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: was that made you successful, which then is a real 545 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: vicious cycle which can put you in a in a 546 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: hamster wheel of chasing something that you once had, not 547 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: recognizing that things change. You know, this is this is 548 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: how it works in life. I mean me personally, I 549 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: try to embrace the changes like I'm somebody who doesn't 550 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: die in my hair. Every actor in Hollywood die has 551 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: a hair, and that sat in the other Now I 552 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: look young, so I can get away with it in 553 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: a lot of ways. But also that's me. That's me now, 554 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: that's where I am. Now. When y'all first saw me, 555 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: when I jumped on the scene, I looked like I 556 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: was thirteen years old. That was because that's what I 557 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: looked like when I was twenty two years old. That's 558 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: that's how I look, you know what I mean? So 559 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: I need to I can either accept that or I 560 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: can try to hide from that. And for me personally, 561 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm interested in being the best version, honest version of 562 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: myself that I can be because that's the only way 563 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: that I'm gonna sleep well and continue the confidence that 564 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: I have because that's the and it's me being me. 565 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: Well reality is, I think too, And maybe people who 566 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: are listening can understand this. The older you get them 567 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: more honest you want to be because you do not 568 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: have the time to do to pretend. It is exhausted, 569 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: and it's not just to pretend. You've also have in theory, 570 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: I think you've learned about the damage and the corrosive 571 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: nature of dishonesty. You know, and what it does to you, 572 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: what it does the people you care about, how it 573 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: actually holds you back. It holds you back, and it 574 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: also gives people, ah, a false obviously this is obvious, 575 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: gives you the false identity. But then you feel like 576 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: you have to keep that up, that identity that is 577 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: not healed. There's a pressure to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, pressure. 578 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: There is pressure in Lyne. And I'm all like, I'm 579 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: all set, you know what I mean? When I have 580 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: my very first bot almost I can't like, I can't 581 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: fool anybody anymore. I am who I am. There are 582 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: things that I choose to discuss that are very honest 583 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: and real, and that is my choice because in this 584 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: day and age where we want to consume, you don't 585 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: have the right to consume. Everything about me, especially has 586 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: been well. Yeah, I think we get confused with that. 587 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: We feel like we have to tell people more than 588 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: we need to. Although although conversely, the more comfortable you 589 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: are in your skin, you don't feel like you have 590 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: to hide anything, at least I don't anymore, you know, well, yes, 591 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: and no, it's I say to me, it's not about hiding. 592 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: There's there's to me the verbiage is important because it's 593 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: not about hiding things. It's about some things being private. 594 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: And I grew up in some things are And let 595 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: me tell you something. The way that I grew up, 596 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: I grew up with a very healthy skepticism of authority, 597 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: of the government, of the whole song and dance. My 598 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: father was born in the gym crow South, and so 599 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: I grew up with stories where skepticism, privacy, intimacy, secrets, 600 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: that sort of thing could save your actual literal life. 601 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: So for me, I'm not somebody who just likes to 602 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: blab about everything, and I'm a listener more than a 603 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: talker most of the time. But now with everything with 604 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: transparency being you know, the new privacy, it gets twisted 605 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,760 Speaker 1: when somebody doesn't want to share each and every morsel 606 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: about their day, of what they ate and how they 607 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: felt and the fart they let out, the blah blah blah. 608 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: It's excessive. And to me, I'm not gonna go for that, 609 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: because I tell you what, this is one of those 610 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: things that it's an age thing. It's like the sign 611 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: of the time thing is it's mind blowing to me 612 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: that we give full access to every secret that we 613 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: have under the guys of convenience. What do you mean 614 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 1: if somebody, if somebody got a hold of your phone 615 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: and your email code and this and the other, they 616 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 1: would learn all sorts of secrets about the champion. Man. Now, 617 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 1: that's if some bio we did that. But to some 618 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: body who has all that is the company that you 619 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: allow on all those permissions to to search through and 620 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,439 Speaker 1: go through all your stuff all the time. Yeah, sure, 621 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: which can be pulled out at any time that they 622 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: want to. Sure, and given to any sort of company 623 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: and people for whatever. Yeah. But now me, I can't 624 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: get over that. That's just mind blowing them. Yeah. And 625 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,439 Speaker 1: you know what, but we are and we not per se. 626 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: But this this is a society of followers instead of doers. 627 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 1: And so no one's reading the permissions when they download 628 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: the apps or when they're going to shop online, or 629 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: when they're doing all these other things. They're not doing that, right, 630 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: they're not doing that. And the hope would be, but 631 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: I'm going too far off. The hope would be that 632 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 1: there's legislation in place to protect you, which there is not. Right, 633 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: the hope there's not you know, we gi know my 634 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,320 Speaker 1: political sol box, but that is that's nobody hear you, 635 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: ie you in theory, that's that's what you're that's what 636 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: you're leaning on in theory. Because some people can protect 637 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: themselves and they elect these officials to look out for 638 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: them and protect them. So we're all again in this 639 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: world of of being followers and not leaders. And this 640 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: is not popular. This is not popular. People don't want 641 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: to hear that. I no, no, nobody wants to hear that. 642 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 1: But see, here's here's the other here's the other piece. 643 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: I remember where you are pleased. But this is the 644 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: other piece that I'll say. Oh that about aging, I've 645 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: realized I'm only going to have the hard conversations with 646 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: people that I care about. Sure, I'm not having hard 647 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: conversations with every time dickon Hank just walking around, because 648 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: you'll end up getting your damner up about everything. Correct, 649 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: So for me, that solid advice. Don't have the hard 650 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: conversations with people you don't care about, because there's no point. 651 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: There's no point. It's too hard, it takes too much. Right, Yeah, yes, 652 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: that's why it's a hard conversation. So to have a 653 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: real conversation, a hard conversation where you have to lay 654 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: down some hard truth, some cold water on people, and 655 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to, by the way, you're gonna have 656 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: to swallow some of that cold water yourself. I'm not 657 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: above the law nobody. You know. All this stuff that 658 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: I'm saying applies to me as well. Sure, so when 659 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: you hear something that you don't want to hear, that 660 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: should come in love. But it should come in love 661 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: from somebody who I know that actually cares, because I'm 662 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,439 Speaker 1: if I don't care, I will not take the time 663 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: to correct you. I will not take the time to 664 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,720 Speaker 1: lace you up with some of the jewels of wisdom 665 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 1: that I've received over my time on the planet. I 666 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: just let you go ahead and be a knucklehead. That's 667 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: on you correct and you don't, by the way, you 668 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: don't deserve that your your You know, people, often, what 669 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: I've realized, as with God more mature, is that your 670 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: presence is truly a present. And if you know that, 671 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: you can't share that with everybody. You can't give that 672 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: to everybody because they can't understand it or they respect it. 673 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: So what's the boat, um, you one of the one 674 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: of the one of the great things. And now I look, 675 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: I digress I'm gonna bring it back to what I 676 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: find select. Here's the thing. You're highly intelligent, and you 677 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: have so much um you have. You have opinions. I 678 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,800 Speaker 1: like people who have opinions. I like people who have 679 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: something to say about the world in which we live. 680 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: I don't have to always agree, but I like that. 681 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: That means you've done the work to figure out the 682 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: space that you're in and what it means. And we 683 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: can we can be numb with Instagram and Twitter and 684 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: in getting it while it's hot and being popular, that 685 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: we often forget um that we should have more than 686 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 1: what we first see. That first layer and that second layer, 687 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,839 Speaker 1: and that third and fourth layer. I'm interested in fifth 688 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: or sixth layer, and like I love it. I say 689 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: that about great debaters, people who speak well. I want 690 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: you to be able to tell me a little bit 691 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: more than what I already know, or Captain adious, and 692 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: you've been able to do that. So that's why I digress. 693 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: So I say thank you for that and giving me that. 694 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. All good. Every champion and carry champions. 695 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: To be a champion, a champion, and carry champion and 696 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,720 Speaker 1: carry champion champion and carry champion and carry Champion Sports. 697 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: And then the team aking naked work, Verry Champion, they 698 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: carry champions to be champion, A champion, they carry Champion, Champion, 699 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: they carry Champion, they carry Champion Sports. The team you 700 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: have a as an actor. I ask this because my 701 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: one of my really good friends I think you may 702 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: know here in passing. Her name is Kendrick Carter. She 703 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: should work at NBC. And she's yea uh huh. And 704 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: she said, she asked you about or she mentioned the 705 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: growth for you what time? And You're like, the growth 706 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: or what about Americana? I guess that's the place, and 707 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 1: get g you know I Glendelle, I'm not yeah yeah, yeah, 708 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah. He said, you guys are having this 709 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,800 Speaker 1: back and forth conversation and yeah, you were like, I 710 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: can not believe you don't know about America. Feel so simple. 711 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: So I probately, oh dog, sorry Jesus so so I 712 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 1: probably said I don't know America today. I don't No. 713 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: This is right after we did our interview. I was like, 714 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, I don't know America, man ask um. 715 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 1: That is an example of your ability to connect. That 716 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 1: is an example for me. That is why you are 717 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: able to work and do what you do consistently minus 718 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: those those year and a half in year plus months 719 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: that you felt you were you were on an island. 720 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: Are you able to bring that to every single one 721 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: of robles? And then also also auditioning, like people have 722 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 1: to feel like like I feel like I knew you 723 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: may not be true, but it has a lot to 724 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: do with it. I think, well, to me, when you're 725 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: doing when you're putting together a project, it's a it's 726 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: you're putting together a team. So you're putting together it's 727 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: people that you're gonna be around for twelve to sixteen 728 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: hours a day for four to nine months, so a 729 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 1: lot of it. I'm a firm believer I got I 730 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: have gotten more jobs based on my personality than I 731 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: have based on my talent. And it is because I 732 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: can get along with people, which once again goes back 733 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 1: to my childhood, because when you're ruggling a lot of personalities, 734 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: you learn how to get along with people you know, 735 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: and you learn when to push buttons if you want 736 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: to push button, but in general, you learn how to 737 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: get along with the people. Now, a very strange thing 738 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: has happened in the entertainment business, which is now Ever, 739 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: since the pandemic, auditions take place like this, either via 740 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,800 Speaker 1: zoom or you have to take them and deliver them yourself, 741 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: to which I'm convinced most of them don't even get seen. 742 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if eighty percent of the auditions. I 743 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: would be shocked if twenty percent of the auditions that 744 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 1: get mailed in actually get watched. Now, that changes a 745 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: lot of the dynamic. So if I was just getting 746 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 1: started now, I would have to chart a whole different 747 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: course than I did when I was getting started twenty 748 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: years ago. Because for me, this was about going into 749 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: a room of strangers and making them feel warm, and 750 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 1: that that I am capable enough to work with the material. 751 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: I'm also flexible enough to when they give me ideas 752 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: to change what I've prepared, that I'm willing to change it, 753 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: and that overall, I'm not going to be a nuisance 754 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 1: to be around, you know, And so this now isn't 755 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: You can't get that on a tape. You definitely can't 756 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 1: get on a tape when people don't watch the tape. 757 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: But you can't get that that same kind of feeling 758 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 1: that you get just like you were talking about with 759 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 1: someone's presence. You can feel people when they come in 760 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 1: the room, whether you're like oh yeah, ah, man, I 761 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: love being around them, you know. I like I like 762 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 1: being around I like being around Carry. I like I 763 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: see Carrie walking, I'm like, ah, yeah, she's fine, but 764 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,439 Speaker 1: she's actually cool. I like she's cool. I like seeing 765 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 1: Carry and be like, oh yeah, what's up? What even 766 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: up to? That's why every time that I do see you, 767 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: it's always cool. It's always you know what I mean, 768 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,919 Speaker 1: It's always it's cool. So we can we can catch 769 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: up because there's a normalcy. Everybody doesn't have that. So 770 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: from me, job one is always getting the job, so 771 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 1: there's that. But then once I get the job, I 772 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 1: do my very best to make it mine so that 773 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: that connection is there. And one of the greatest I 774 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,319 Speaker 1: was just at this wine tasting now and a guy 775 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: stopped me into the photo with me and said, man, 776 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,320 Speaker 1: I got so deep and connected to one of the 777 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: roles you played. Man, I just could not stop watching 778 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: the movie and made me late to my next appointment. 779 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: I said, wow, thank you for that. And if I 780 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: can make you feel like you actually know me, this 781 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: is a compliment of the highest order, you know, because 782 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: that means that there is a reality and an honesty 783 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,720 Speaker 1: that's coming through my performance. That you connected with something 784 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 1: that you recognize in your real life. Sure, sure are 785 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 1: you addibility that's to me and that is that's special 786 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 1: and it's given and it's set a part and it's 787 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: a gift and if you use it right, this is 788 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: what the outcome is. And so you have to use, 789 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: in my opinion, use it right. Do you see a 790 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: lot of elements to it though, Like one of the 791 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: elements I use that helps me with that is I 792 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,839 Speaker 1: don't wear makeup. Why I hate watching movies and TV 793 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: shows when I see the makeup on people, on men, 794 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: but I really do. What about women? Well, I see 795 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,240 Speaker 1: makeup on women in real life. So that doesn't change 796 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: for the performance. You know, your makeup is fine, caring. Yeah, 797 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,239 Speaker 1: you're not gonna give me to disrespect you. I don't 798 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 1: care what you try to do. Yeah you're so silly. 799 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no no. But but men in particular, 800 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,720 Speaker 1: so that because and it's part of it is because 801 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 1: of HD and you know, super high definition stuff how 802 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 1: you can see. So for me, if there's something perfections 803 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: in my skin, guess what Whether you know it or not, 804 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 1: this is like one of the industry secrets. Whether you 805 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 1: know it or not, that's gonna make you feel like 806 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: I'm more of a real person. Interesting because I look 807 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,920 Speaker 1: how I look. It is also one of the things 808 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: that made me more recognizable in real life when I 809 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,280 Speaker 1: first got on the scene and people started to recognize 810 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 1: me because I actually look how I look in the movies. Interesting. 811 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,680 Speaker 1: I love it all. I love it all. Did you Okay? 812 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,279 Speaker 1: Can I ask you this? Can you tell everybody, um, 813 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,240 Speaker 1: what a light hack is for you? Leaning there's somebody 814 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,720 Speaker 1: who is a creative. And again I talk about creatives 815 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 1: in a very broad spectrum. What I do, what you do? 816 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,680 Speaker 1: A writer, a director? Um? Hell I a gardener for 817 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: that God, my landscaper is don't creative? Right, So for 818 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 1: that matter, I'm just I'm like someone who considers what 819 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 1: they do art And sometimes these people don't even really 820 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: realize that what they're doing is art. Um, anyone agree 821 00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 1: with you present something for the world to to pick apart, 822 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,319 Speaker 1: to criticize, to adore, to love, to whatever the world 823 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: decides to do. I consider you an artist. A chef 824 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: is an artist, you know. Yep? That matter what for 825 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,719 Speaker 1: you as an artist, any creative what is motivating and 826 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,359 Speaker 1: keeps you going? You know, I have, Like I told 827 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,240 Speaker 1: you earlier, I'm really competitive, and I see the League 828 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,600 Speaker 1: of Entertainment, sometimes in an unhealthy way, most of the 829 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 1: times in a healthy way as a grand entertainment, as 830 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:38,280 Speaker 1: a grand competition of entertainment, and as like an NBA 831 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: if you will, of entertainments. And I'm always supposed to 832 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,360 Speaker 1: be an all star. So for me, there's a there's 833 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,240 Speaker 1: a I have a driving force for that. But also 834 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,359 Speaker 1: one thing that I've learned about myself is I live 835 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,279 Speaker 1: a much more fulfilled life when I am around and 836 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: a part of creative activity. So with that, whether it's 837 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,239 Speaker 1: me doing the creating, it's great if it sells and 838 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,120 Speaker 1: it becomes it's popular in this, that and the other. 839 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 1: But it goes back to what you're talking about about 840 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,799 Speaker 1: the journey, and success is the journey in a lot 841 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,400 Speaker 1: of ways, because for the artists, what we have is process. 842 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:20,919 Speaker 1: If I make it to I have a television show 843 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 1: that comes out in four hours a time, three yet 844 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,360 Speaker 1: three hours on the East Coast comes out in three hours, right, 845 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: the show could come out and be an international sensation. 846 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,239 Speaker 1: Or this chow could come out and not bust a 847 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: great and nobody watch a show, right. I don't have 848 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:46,400 Speaker 1: control over that. Yeah, I have control over my process. 849 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 1: While I'm preparing and creating my portion of the show. 850 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 1: I don't have the I don't have a say in 851 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,520 Speaker 1: the editing. I don't have a saying where they set 852 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,799 Speaker 1: up the camera. I don't have the saying the music 853 00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 1: that they use. I don't have a say in what 854 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,680 Speaker 1: somebody he also on set, says, I have the process 855 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,320 Speaker 1: of the creative process that I do. That I have, 856 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:12,560 Speaker 1: and in that I found that when that is properly nourished, 857 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,520 Speaker 1: I am a better person outside of work. I am 858 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: a better human being. I love that. I love that 859 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:25,360 Speaker 1: because creating and it doesn't matter whether it's on set 860 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 1: or whether I go out into my garden and I'm 861 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, planting greens like it's it's it is the 862 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,640 Speaker 1: creative process that to me, if you really want to go, 863 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,719 Speaker 1: you know, twenty thousand leagues under the sea, creates a 864 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: connection to the divine because I believe that God is creative, yes, 865 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,600 Speaker 1: of course, and in that that creativity and that desire 866 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 1: to create, that motivation to create, is in my DNA 867 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,839 Speaker 1: that's played from a higher power. Ye, hey, God say 868 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,960 Speaker 1: some thing. Yes ma'am. This this, this episode is podcast 869 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:09,640 Speaker 1: is gonna be called the Preacher, Omar Miller. I don't 870 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,759 Speaker 1: do it, offering, play give me a dollar, tell me more. 871 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like I need it, sir, 872 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you go. I adore you. I appreciate 873 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,279 Speaker 1: you and you and your special which you already know. 874 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 1: So thank thank you for my podcast and my TV 875 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,680 Speaker 1: show two in a day. Harass you need me, I'm 876 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 1: gonna come run it you let me know. Listen. I 877 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 1: was like, I gotta stop using at work. Is that 878 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,480 Speaker 1: somebody might arrest me? But I literally know how to 879 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:39,840 Speaker 1: get to Are you like, oh, I'll do it tomorrow 880 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 1: land now I'm grabbing now. I want no problems. I 881 00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,319 Speaker 1: need it right now. I'm trying to wrap this out. 882 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, I get it. Though I get it. 883 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,440 Speaker 1: You can't and then you shouldn't procrastinate. But I mean, 884 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: this is an extraordinary circumstance. The Preacher gather around and 885 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,800 Speaker 1: pass the offering A dollar for you, A dollar for you, 886 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,960 Speaker 1: A dollar for you, a dollar for you. I really 887 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 1: do appreciate Olmar Miller for coming on the podcast. He's 888 00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,560 Speaker 1: very helpful. He's a good man and he can live 889 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,879 Speaker 1: on what I call good Man Island anytime of the day. 890 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,799 Speaker 1: You guys join us next week. We got a good guest. 891 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,759 Speaker 1: I appreciate all the support the podcast is doing. I'm 892 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,840 Speaker 1: easy and that is because you guys are loyal and 893 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,240 Speaker 1: faithful and you listen, you listen, listen, listen, So I'm grateful. 894 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,399 Speaker 1: All right, guys, I'll talk to you all next week.