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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome home. Y'all, this is episode sixty six.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad it's just six and six and not the

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Speaker 3: other six because it's a crazy time of Native Lamppid

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Speaker 3: where we give you I break down on all things

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Speaker 3: politics and culture.

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Speaker 1: We are your hosts.

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Speaker 4: My sister is Tiffany Cross and Angela Rye, and of

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Speaker 4: course I'm Andrew Gillam. What's up, ladies, How are you

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Speaker 4: wherever you may be?

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Speaker 5: I'm Snowstorm and we had all kinds of errors today

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Speaker 5: and so I am at my workspace that I rent

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Speaker 5: broadcast from here on my computer.

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Speaker 1: You look good, girl.

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Speaker 6: We thank you, thank you very much.

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Speaker 7: I want to give Tip the real MVP Award today

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Speaker 7: for trudging through the snow. She went to and fro

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Speaker 7: and back again, and she is here and it's because

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Speaker 7: she would not miss you all connecting with our Native

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Speaker 7: lamppodfam as. We welcome you home and into all of

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Speaker 7: the craziness that's going on right now.

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Speaker 8: So Hedrew, what are we talking about?

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Speaker 1: I want to know. I want to know.

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Speaker 4: I want to know. Well, let me just first say

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Speaker 4: we've got a very special guest joining us today. I

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Speaker 4: know you all are excited. I'm excited partly because from

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Speaker 4: my home state, the youngest member of the United States Congress,

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Speaker 4: the first gen Zier in the body, Maxwell Froz, from

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Speaker 4: the great state of Florida, the tenth Congressional District.

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Speaker 1: We'll be hearing from here later. Stay stay, stay tuned.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be a great conversation, I bet, and you

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Speaker 4: won't want to miss it.

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Speaker 1: Angela, what you got.

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Speaker 7: I want to talk about this bootleg Department of Government

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Speaker 7: efficiency and why it has more authority than most of

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Speaker 7: the agencies in the departments in the federal government, and

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Speaker 7: why this South African is running wild. So I want

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Speaker 7: to talk about this and why President Elon Musk is

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Speaker 7: still on a rampage. There's a new executive order granting

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Speaker 7: him even more authority. And with the skirting of court

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Speaker 7: orders that this administration is into, how much more authority

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Speaker 7: is he gonna gain?

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Speaker 4: I tell you, it sounded a little bit like Elon

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Speaker 4: Musk versus the rest of us. And I'm hopeful, Tiffany,

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Speaker 4: that you feel good about these topics and unless you've

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Speaker 4: got something that well.

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Speaker 5: I want to because we have so many of you

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Speaker 5: guys who send in your questions and comments, and so

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Speaker 5: this week I want to yield my time so we

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Speaker 5: can make sure that we're responding to your questions and

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Speaker 5: listening to your comments. So I'm looking forward to that

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Speaker 5: because I like it being an interactive conversation with our

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Speaker 5: listeners and our viewers.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love it, I love it. Thank you, tiff you

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Speaker 1: really are the all around MVPR this week.

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Speaker 4: Your graciousness as well as your accommodations, y'all, It's about

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Speaker 4: to be a great episode. Stay tuned, y'all. We have

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Speaker 4: the man with the master plan. I told you at

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Speaker 4: the top of the show that we were going to

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Speaker 4: have a very very special guest.

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Speaker 1: And indeed we do.

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Speaker 4: Born in nineteen ninety seven, low At Tiffany Angela.

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Speaker 9: I graduated from high school and all American at everything.

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Speaker 1: A wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.

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Speaker 4: The good friend and member of the United States Congress,

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Speaker 4: Maxwell Alejandro Frost.

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Speaker 1: Some of you all who are in.

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Speaker 4: The state of Florida will know a bit about Maxwell,

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Speaker 4: but he does represent Florida's tenth congressional district in the

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Speaker 4: United States Congress. Was elected in two thousand and twenty

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Speaker 4: Congress was not his first foray, if you will, into politics.

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Speaker 4: Prior to that, he was the national organizing director for

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Speaker 4: March for Our Lives.

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Speaker 1: You all will recall that.

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Speaker 4: Organization, the Guns Safety and Regulations Organization, basically the voice

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Speaker 4: of young people saying our lives matter. He was elected

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Speaker 4: at the the ripe old age of twenty five years old.

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Speaker 4: Y'all count at twenty five again, first generation zer in

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Speaker 4: Angela gets credit for having thought of this initially, but

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Speaker 4: Ask questions about organizing, how do we fight back? What

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Speaker 4: what the hell is going on in Washington? And why

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Speaker 1: Well, we've got some answers for you, everybody.

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Speaker 4: Will you all please join me and welcoming the one

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Speaker 4: and only Congressman Maxwell Fross.

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 2: Brother? Hey, Hey, good to be here. Appreciate y'all having me.

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Speaker 4: Are you kidding, man, it's our treat to have you.

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Speaker 4: I am curious, Congressman, as a representative from our great

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Speaker 4: state of Florida, how you holding up up there? I mean,

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Speaker 4: we got a dose of what autocracy, or at least

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Speaker 4: a thriving autocrat look like down here Florida exactly. So

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Speaker 4: I know you weren't caught off total guard. But honestly, man,

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Speaker 4: can you level with our listeners? What is it felt

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Speaker 4: like these past what three weeks? Four weeks, three weeks?

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Speaker 1: I mean, under this new administration as a member of Congress.

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Speaker 2: No, I appreciate the question. And you know something I

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Speaker 2: this country we've been fighting against for many, many years

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Speaker 2: under an authoritarian governor with the legislature that most of

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Speaker 2: And so I bring this up to say that being

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Speaker 2: and we understand that. You know, I feel like a

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Speaker 2: I understand that because there's a lot of things to

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Speaker 2: terms of fighting neo fascism, fighting an authoritarian leader, and

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Speaker 2: I've been saying this a lot. Decide to even though

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Speaker 2: And I think we're at a point right now, especially

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Speaker 2: the great betrayal because he traveled this country and told

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Speaker 2: But we all knew it was a bunch of bs.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of feelings, but look, I'm fortified in

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Speaker 7: I have to ask you, you know, there's been a

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Speaker 7: it said all access entrance, and you all were blocked

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Speaker 8: I still haven't seen his paper.

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Speaker 7: I feel like you should have to show papers if

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Speaker 7: you go on block members of Congress who want answers

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Speaker 7: for their constituents, and you all are charged with oversight,

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Speaker 7: whether it's in a congressional hearing room or it is

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Speaker 7: to Ranking Member Bobby Scott and everybody else.

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Speaker 8: Who's on the Education Committee.

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Speaker 7: And so I'm curious to know when you hear folks

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Speaker 7: saying like, well, when I look at these members of

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Speaker 7: they look weak, right, And that's frustrating to hear for

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Speaker 7: me to hear, because I'm like, these people are my family.

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Speaker 7: They went down there because they're not getting answers on

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Speaker 8: How did it feel to not get in?

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Speaker 7: And did you what do you think about that when

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Speaker 7: people say that looked weak? And what do you think

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent? No, I appreciate you bringing this up

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Speaker 2: because even a few days earlier, I had organized about

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Speaker 2: two dozen members of Congress to go to the Department

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Speaker 2: And so usually as a member of Congress, you know,

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Speaker 2: been crickets right because of this Elon Doge takeover. And

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Speaker 2: so like you mentioned, you know, Andrew, I come from organizing.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, you know what, I think we're

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Speaker 2: You're just gonna have to pull up and we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to pull up with the people. And that's what

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Speaker 2: we did at the Department of Treasure. We pulled up. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we were denied access by Secret Service that on that Monday,

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Speaker 2: But then we went out to you know, move On

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Speaker 2: Indivisible and Working Family Party, brought together about over a

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Speaker 2: I think it showed that fight that we're looking for now.

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Speaker 2: With Department of Education, there was a similar action where

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Speaker 2: we were trying to get in. I will admit, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of videos I posted, and

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Speaker 2: this is something especially from Black Lives Matter uprising that

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Speaker 2: you know, you're out there and I'm just constantly taking

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Speaker 2: going on. And I guess, you know, as a politician,

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Speaker 2: I need to review it a little bit more to

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Speaker 2: of people are just not you know, they don't fully

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Speaker 2: it was just that skinny guy trying to keep us out,

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Speaker 2: I promise you we would have gone in the building, okay.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is all the doors were locked, and

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Speaker 2: I don't even know why he stepped outside. He didn't

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Speaker 2: need to step out. The doors were completely locked, and

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Speaker 2: on the other side of those doors were like eight

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Speaker 2: armed DHS officers. Okay, and so that's why we weren't,

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Speaker 2: I had staff walk around the whole building check on

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Speaker 2: you know, a big part of this is being strategic too.

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Speaker 5: because the media is so complicit in this, with this

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Speaker 5: We've always talked about racism is bipartisan. It is not

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Speaker 6: So what is your response to them?

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Speaker 2: No, I appreciate it, and I want to be clear too.

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Speaker 2: few things. Number One, believe it or not, I'm one

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Speaker 2: I have an organizing director year round on my campaign.

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Speaker 2: then when you come back, host those organizing events, those rallies.

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Speaker 2: So I'm hosting a few town halls when I get home,

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Speaker 2: But now they're like, tell me what to do, right

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Speaker 2: Plugging into all of that I think is really important,

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Speaker 7: which is this democracy.

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Speaker 8: I'll be it fragile. What do you say to that?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: I think the I think the important. I think what

439
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Speaker 2: I would tell my colleagues and broadly kind of any

440
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Speaker 2: elected who's feeling this pressure is see it as an

441
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Speaker 2: opportunity to move angst anger. That's very much justified. I mean,

442
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Speaker 2: we're watching this stuff happen. We're watching Project twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five happen in front of our eyes. And move that

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Speaker 2: into action, move it into something and help, you know,

445
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Speaker 2: direct it if need be, and work with people like

446
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Speaker 2: for me, if I'm being protested by someone my first inklin,

447
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Speaker 2: unless it's the Proud Boys or something like that, then

448
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Speaker 2: I just then I'll just be like, all right, we'll

449
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Speaker 2: screw you, you know. But if it's my own people

450
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Speaker 2: that I broadly agree with, I think the solution there

451
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Speaker 2: is meat with them. Figure out how you can work

452
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Speaker 2: together to push people. I think what a lot of

453
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Speaker 2: members are saying is they're saying Why am I getting

454
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Speaker 2: all these calls when these Republicans in districts at Kamala

455
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Speaker 2: Harris one that we need for the majority aren't getting calls,

456
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Speaker 2: you know, And I think that that's like the main

457
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Speaker 2: thing people are saying and so and I get I

458
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Speaker 2: get that sentiment. But here's the thing complaining about isn't

459
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Speaker 2: going to change anything. But reaching out to the organizations,

460
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Speaker 2: working with the people locally will will will help. Indivisible

461
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Speaker 2: happens to have big chapters in democratic districts. Why because

462
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Speaker 2: Democrats live in democratic districts, right, and so that's a

463
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Speaker 2: big reason why this is happening. And so how do

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Speaker 2: we reach out to those organizations, set up the roundtables,

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Speaker 2: do a power building thing on the campaign side. I'm

466
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Speaker 2: in my offishal office, so you know, but you know,

467
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Speaker 2: do something on the campaign side and talk about like hey,

468
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Speaker 2: maybe I'll put together, maybe we do an organizing launch together.

469
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Speaker 2: Maybe we we identify three Republicans that we can all

470
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Speaker 2: call collectively. I don't know something like that, but you know, again,

471
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Speaker 2: my my thing is like we are a team, and

472
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Speaker 2: the opposition wants us to all be kind of bickering

473
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Speaker 2: with each other, and they want the elected officials to

474
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Speaker 2: be complaining about the activists and the organizers, and I

475
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Speaker 2: just don't. I don't think that's our place. I think

476
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Speaker 2: our place is to to show that leadership come together

477
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Speaker 2: and figure out how we're going to pose this. People

478
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Speaker 2: are rightfully scared, and they want the leadership, and they

479
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Speaker 2: want to be pointed in the right direction, like, hey, YO,

480
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Speaker 2: tell me where to go, tell me what to do.

481
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Speaker 2: I want to help out For me as an organizer,

482
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Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, this is like a pot of gold,

483
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Speaker 2: because usually we're scratching for people to you know, Usually

484
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Speaker 2: that's why we have to knock doors, right, We knock

485
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Speaker 2: doors because we have to go to the people to

486
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Speaker 2: kind of shake them and say, yo, get involved. But

487
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Speaker 2: now that people are coming to us, so.

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Speaker 4: They're it's they're in, They're in, They're they're angry, yes,

489
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Speaker 4: and but they're mostly scared. Exactly that that all the

490
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Speaker 4: foundational pieces, all of the supports we're looking up every

491
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Speaker 4: single day. Our heads are on a swivel. Yep, And

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Speaker 4: all I have to in the vulnerability of this all

493
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Speaker 4: because I kept saying, I'm sorry, did anybody take Donald

494
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Speaker 4: Trump seriously? Project twenty twenty five during the campaign, we

495
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Speaker 4: went out and sold it to people like it was

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Speaker 4: the you know, the threat of our lives. And then

497
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Speaker 4: it seemed like everybody DC on down appeared to be

498
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Speaker 4: in shock and nobody shook off the shock over the

499
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Speaker 4: point of transition. We came into this man's government and

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Speaker 4: you know, and everybody's shock and awe when if you.

501
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Speaker 1: Just looked at the nine hundred pages, all of it

502
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Speaker 1: is right there. All of it is right there.

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Speaker 4: So Congressman, I just want to give you further encouragement

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Speaker 4: to help to to embolden your colleagues that when I

505
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Speaker 4: was first selected mayor, my first big public event, I

506
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Speaker 4: had to cut this ribbon and thousands of people who

507
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Speaker 4: are going to run through it, and do you know,

508
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Speaker 4: law and behold dream Defenders sat down in front of

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Speaker 4: the stage where I was speaking. They shut me down

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Speaker 4: from speaking and and brought the whole event to a standstill.

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Speaker 4: And this is only a few months after during the

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Speaker 4: campaign of me running from mayor, that I helped get

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Speaker 4: them out of jail, brought them food into the Capitol

514
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Speaker 4: when they slept there for thirty days, and I, like you,

515
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Speaker 4: took offense that was ego and then I realized that

516
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Speaker 4: I'm the right person for them to shut down. I

517
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Speaker 4: am Andrew, I'm their guy, but I'm also the mayor,

518
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Speaker 4: which made me the head of the police department, which

519
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Speaker 4: made me the techelar head of the city of the community.

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Speaker 4: And so if they needed to bring their issues to bear, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know what, I'm in the position that I should

522
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Speaker 4: be taking the incoming, just as you determined that you

523
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Speaker 4: were the right person to be taking the incoming and

524
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Speaker 4: getting ego out of the way. And so I would

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Speaker 4: just encourage you with the members, screw the ego.

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Speaker 1: We need organizing.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And the rule book has.

529
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Speaker 4: Been thrown out. It's been thrown out a long time ago.

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Speaker 4: And I just think I was very clear about what

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Speaker 4: Democrats were not going to do, which was chase Donald

532
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Speaker 4: Trump around and try to answer to all of his anticues. Well,

533
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Speaker 4: I'm more interested in what we are going to do

534
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Speaker 4: by way of a pushback against him, and less about

535
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Speaker 4: the red lines that we're not going to cross and

536
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Speaker 4: try not to run behind everything that he throws here

537
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Speaker 4: left or right. You know what, If he's going to

538
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Speaker 4: consume the media space, y'all ought to be consuming that space,

539
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Speaker 4: just like what I've.

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Speaker 2: Been telling people is when someone's coming up and telling you,

541
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Speaker 2: asking you what are we going to do? What can

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Speaker 2: we do? Or expressing that anger, no one wants to

543
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Speaker 2: hear what power we don't have? Right. I think a

544
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Speaker 2: lot of people know a lot of them they generally

545
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Speaker 2: understand what's going on, but I think they want to

546
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Speaker 2: hear with what power we have? What are we going

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Speaker 2: to do? And something I used to always tell people

548
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Speaker 2: on during the Black Lives Matter uprising is when you

549
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Speaker 2: don't have all the power you want, you best use

550
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Speaker 2: all the power you got. Come on, and this is

551
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Speaker 2: the moment where we have to use all the power

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Speaker 2: we got again. It might not be all the levers

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Speaker 2: we want, but we deal in reality, and I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, we providing that leadership is going to give

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Speaker 2: people the energy that they need because you know, and

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Speaker 2: I know, I know we're at time. But I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of members of Congress thinking two year increments, right,

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Speaker 2: you know, their thinking about the midterm, how can we

559
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Speaker 2: get the gavels? But the fact of the matter is

560
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Speaker 2: we don't have two years to wait, right, I mean,

561
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Speaker 2: this is going on now, and so I think it's

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Speaker 2: both the best thing to do from an organizing perspective,

563
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Speaker 2: in terms of pushing back, in terms of hopefully obstructing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, we've had some wins as the public.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we push back that oh PM memo the tariffs.

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Speaker 2: He completely folded on the tariffs. Why because everybody, even

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Speaker 2: on Fox News, they were repeating that if he did

568
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Speaker 2: these tariffs, your prices were gonna go up even more.

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Speaker 2: So this is what happens when we all sing the

570
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Speaker 2: same chorus, when we're all together and unified, and we

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Speaker 2: I think we should be, especially as members of Congress,

572
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Speaker 2: looking for that unity and pushing for that unity. And

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Speaker 2: again what you said, Andrew stepping out of the ego.

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Speaker 2: And so I always encourage people, if you're mad at

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Speaker 2: an activist or something, just look at the go on

576
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: Elon's Twitter and get mad at him, because these are

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Speaker 2: the people we really need to be directing our anger to.

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Speaker 2: And I'm honestly quite happy that there's all this energy

579
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Speaker 2: because now we have an opportunity to build our movement.

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Speaker 2: And guess what that will help us in the midterms too, Right,

581
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: that work to do now helps you. Then you've got

582
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Speaker 2: to show people the midterms only matter for y'all.

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Speaker 4: If you earn it, and if people don't see you

584
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Speaker 4: fighting like hell right now, they're not going to be

585
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Speaker 4: motivated to show up, stand in line and cast a

586
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Speaker 4: vote for anybody. And Congressman, I'm going to act like

587
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Speaker 4: a staffer now and then you know, and it's time

588
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Speaker 4: for you to.

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Speaker 1: Go because you've got a busy job.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Last thing, last thing I will say,

591
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Speaker 2: a lot of people are taking lessons from this election,

592
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Speaker 2: lessons from Donald Trump on like, you know, kind of

593
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Speaker 2: how he did this whole thing. And the one thing

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Speaker 2: I think people are not talking about is just how

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Speaker 2: much this guy loves showing love to his base. And

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Speaker 2: I think that is really something as Democrats we can't

597
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Speaker 2: let go of, right. I mean, look, I hate Donald Trump,

598
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Speaker 2: but this guy held a rally before his inauguration for

599
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Speaker 2: his people, like just for his people to raw raw,

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Speaker 2: and I just I think we shouldn't. We can't lose

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Speaker 2: sight of what makes a democratic party of the Democratic party.

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Speaker 2: That's all I gotta say. Much love, y'all, I appreciate

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Speaker 2: you'll be watching and following you.

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Speaker 4: We want to encourage you to continue to stiffen your

605
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Speaker 4: spine and stand strong man you'll never go wrong there,

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Speaker 4: and we need fighters and champions like you.

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Speaker 1: So good luck, got you, bless y'all got you, We

608
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Speaker 1: got your back. That's for show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Take care of congressman. He was, y'all, so you heard

611
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Speaker 1: it directly.

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Speaker 4: The Congressman had a lot to get off his chest, y'all.

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Speaker 4: He wanted you to know what he's been hearing, feeling, thinking, experiencing.

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Speaker 1: And I felt that. I hope y'all.

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Speaker 4: I hope y'all felt informed and also engaged by Bia

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Speaker 4: his comments.

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Speaker 8: He was outstanding.

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Speaker 7: I think my favorite thing about him is he is

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Speaker 7: clearly an old person in a young person's body, born

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Speaker 7: in nineteen ninety seven, because the wisdom that he has,

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Speaker 7: like I mean, he literally sounds like he has studied

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Speaker 7: movement building. He has been a part of movement building

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Speaker 7: himself as an organizer, as he referenced, And I do

624
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Speaker 7: know exactly what that's like when there's somebody, you know,

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Speaker 7: some Twitter thug who's challenging you on your chops and

626
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Speaker 7: why didn't you do this?

627
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Speaker 8: Why didn't you do that?

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Speaker 7: And having been there, actually really fell bad because I

629
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Speaker 7: was like, oh, I don't like the optics of you know,

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Speaker 7: what happened with them outside of the building. I knew

631
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Speaker 7: there was more to the story because I talked to

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Speaker 7: enough of the members and then did that live with

633
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Speaker 7: Latifa last week, Latifa Simon, who is now in Barbara

634
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Speaker 7: Lee's old seat, And it is remarkable to me that

635
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Speaker 7: people think so little and assume the absolute worst of

636
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Speaker 7: their intention and of.

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Speaker 8: Their know how. He's like, I literally.

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Speaker 7: Had a staffer checking every single entry we was gonna

639
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Speaker 7: get in that building. And he's right, like, if they

640
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Speaker 7: get arrested, we don't know when they will get out.

641
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Speaker 7: We know the justice system we know is not the

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Speaker 7: justice system we have anymore. They couldn't go to jail

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Speaker 7: and not let them out. If they're gonna divide coret orders,

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Speaker 7: why would they, you know, Like for a member of

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Speaker 7: Congress going against them.

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Speaker 5: I think that's a good point. But I do have

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Speaker 5: to say though, like Angela, for you, that's your family.

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Speaker 5: For other people, that's their elected representatives. They don't actually

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Speaker 5: owe them any loyalty. They are frustrated and angry, and

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Speaker 5: so I think for the lay person looking at that,

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Speaker 5: their sympathies are not with Oh my gosh, the poor

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Speaker 5: members were criticized it's with, Hey, my world is falling

653
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Speaker 5: apart and I don't know wtf you guys are doing now.

654
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Speaker 5: I say that for one half. On the other half,

655
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Speaker 5: I have to say to the people who feel that

656
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Speaker 5: way to this is why it's important to be informed

657
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 5: and know what's happening. But I'm careful to criticize those

658
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,239
Speaker 5: folks right now because it is so bad. Everything is

659
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 5: so bad. I understand you have a personal relationship, but

660
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Speaker 5: I don't have a personal relationship with the congressional black cockets,

661
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 5: you know, like to me, they are just members of Congress.

662
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Speaker 5: I have a personal relationship with some people who are

663
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Speaker 5: you know, my personal friends, but their members of Congress

664
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Speaker 5: who I covered and for other people, they're the people

665
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Speaker 5: whose salaries they paid to support them and to service

666
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Speaker 5: them on the tax dollars they earn. So I just

667
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Speaker 5: I just want to be careful with, you know, with

668
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Speaker 5: with with criticizing people for criticizing them, and I think

669
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Speaker 5: there is space to do that.

670
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Speaker 6: Y'all know I'm trying you.

671
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Speaker 5: I don't think, Okay, well, I know I'm talking about

672
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 5: you saying that they're your members of family. You were

673
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 5: frustrated hearing people saying I think that's exactly what you

674
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 5: said that I.

675
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Speaker 7: Was frustrating having been in a position where there's more

676
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Speaker 7: to the story. And I knew there was more to

677
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 7: the story because I just talked to Latifa and that

678
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 7: was my Instagram live, right. So I'm not I'm not

679
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 7: covering them because I believe in my family. In this instance,

680
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Speaker 7: this is me saying, having been in that same situation

681
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Speaker 7: where somebody's criticizing without seeing the full ramification what's going on,

682
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Speaker 7: that's frustrating. So this wasn't me covering them for my family.

683
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Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, I'm talking about what you's when the interview

684
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 5: first started, I'm not what you just said five minutes ago,

685
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Speaker 5: and then you said that he and people.

686
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Speaker 6: Criticism on both sides, and.

687
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Speaker 7: Then then that's the other thing I was about to

688
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 7: say for family, just like we do here, and Andrew.

689
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Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I just cut you go.

690
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Speaker 7: Please, But on that, like to me, family has the

691
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 7: biggest obligation to offer constructive criticism and feedback. Let me

692
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 7: tell you what I'm hearing, let me tell you what

693
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 7: you need to do. Let me tell you it's got

694
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Speaker 7: a pivot. That's what I've been doing all week. So

695
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 7: this isn't me saying like, oh, don't hit them. I'm saying,

696
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 7: if you're gonna hit them, make sure your facts are straight.

697
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 7: And then I can go in with the facts and

698
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 7: be like, this is what we're not gonna do, or

699
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 7: this is what we should be doing, or I got

700
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 7: people that want to help you because we can't afford

701
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Speaker 7: for you to lose, because that means we lose.

702
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Speaker 8: That's where I'm as real.

703
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Speaker 4: I think it's a lot less about people being Yes,

704
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 4: we are all angry, but people are acting out of hurt, fear,

705
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 4: fear the unknown, fear of the safety net being pulled

706
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Speaker 4: from under them, fear of I've given this government thirty

707
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Speaker 4: five years of my life.

708
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Speaker 1: Is never been late, never done this, never done that.

709
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: I've just done my job, and I swore an oath

710
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: and I'm holding it.

711
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Speaker 4: And to now be threatened with a ten percent across

712
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Speaker 4: the boards, a cut of staff, another across the across

713
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 4: all departments, I mean, it's terrifying, and so nobody has

714
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 4: tolerance for a woe is me congressman, for woe is

715
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 4: me President, or for woe is me secretary? Because I'm

716
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 4: about to lose my life and my mind. You know

717
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 4: in the process. I just think if we check EGO,

718
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 4: get that out of the way, and accept the fact

719
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Speaker 4: that while you gonna be good, four hundred and thirty

720
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Speaker 4: five members.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm gonna be good.

722
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

723
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Speaker 4: And because I'm not sure, and you look like you

724
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 4: suited up and suited up and going to meetings and

725
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 4: making little memes and this kind of thing, I need

726
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 4: you to be burning the house, to turn the table over,

727
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 4: do whatever is that you have to do to stop

728
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 4: the madness.

729
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Speaker 7: Speaking of that, if we can want to talk, I

730
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 7: want to bring in a clip from someone who said

731
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Speaker 7: exactly that on the House floor. Let's listen to what

732
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Speaker 7: Congressman Gwnmore had to say about the current state of

733
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Speaker 7: America and its politics.

734
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Speaker 1: This is not normal.

735
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Speaker 10: We're not having a normal session, mister Speaker.

736
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Speaker 1: The House is on fire.

737
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Speaker 4: That's it.

738
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Speaker 1: The House is on fire.

739
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Speaker 10: There is nothing legal or constitutional that is going on.

740
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Speaker 10: We have unelected billionaires running the country.

741
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Speaker 1: And this is not a political graphic power.

742
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Speaker 8: It's a crime.

743
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Speaker 10: I marched into our Speaker of the House's office to

744
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 10: try to meet with the Treasury Secretary to ask them

745
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 10: why they were committing crimes, why there was unchecked.

746
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Speaker 8: Authority over the Treasury Treasury.

747
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 10: Data to stop doing it, why they needed to do this,

748
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Speaker 10: why they needed to surveil, penalize, or control this financial access.

749
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Speaker 8: And the speaker told me he had no idea what

750
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Speaker 8: they were doing.

751
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Speaker 10: The Speaker of the House does not know what they

752
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 10: are doing. We need to stop acting like things are normal.

753
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Speaker 1: That's real. It is not normal.

754
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Speaker 7: It is and I think that we are in the

755
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 7: like if there was ever a time where people should

756
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 7: be held to account, we should be held to account

757
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 7: on what we put on the podcast. Like you said, Andrew,

758
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 7: like people are like, what do we do I every

759
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 7: day I'm wrestling with that every day. I'm trying to

760
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 7: make sure that I am serving the needs of the people,

761
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 7: that I am providing factual information that we do that

762
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 7: on this podcast. What Gwen Moore said struck a chord

763
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 7: I think for so many of us, because all we're

764
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 7: saying is like, why are we're seeing members of Congress

765
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 7: talking about dropping bills. You don't even know if that

766
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 7: bill gonna get passed. You don't even know if you're

767
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 7: gonna actually be in session next week, and if the

768
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 7: bill does pass, if this president is gonna sign it,

769
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 7: it's a law.

770
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Speaker 8: That's where we are. So that I mean, I think

771
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 8: that we do.

772
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 4: Tip.

773
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 7: I was so grateful in the conversation with Maxwell and

774
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 7: the things that you've been saying along the way, that

775
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 7: it is an authoritarian regime, the things that we've been questioning,

776
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 7: if it's a clue, if it's a constitutional crisis. The

777
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 7: answers are resounding, Yes, it is not normal. So how

778
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 7: do you respond in a normal way to something that

779
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 7: is not only not normal, it's very dangerous.

780
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 5: Well, I just I want to say, because you brought

781
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 5: up constitutional crisis that you did a live this week.

782
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Speaker 6: If you all haven't checked it.

783
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 5: Out, it's available on our YouTube page and where your

784
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 5: podcast of a solo pop on the constitutional crisis. But

785
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 5: I do appreciate what you said, Andrew about ego, like

786
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 5: get ego out the way, because it's not just like

787
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 5: I've heard several members of Congress we were talking about

788
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 5: this in our Chad Angela members of Congress complaining about

789
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 5: how they're being perceived.

790
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 6: And I do I think that's such a piece of

791
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 6: advice Andrew.

792
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 5: It's like, hey, it's not about your ego right now

793
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 5: as dire times and people are the institution, right, you

794
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 5: are the institution, and what are you doing? But I

795
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 5: think what you're bringing up, Angela is this fight, Like

796
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 5: so you're you know, in your head about like what

797
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 5: can we do on the podcast that's doing something. I

798
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 5: just I'm running out of advice of what to tell

799
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 5: people who are you know, like what do we do?

800
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 5: Because I will be honest with you guys, and it's

801
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 5: probably not the most responsible thing to say on this podcast,

802
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 5: but I do think there are some areas where I

803
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 5: feel a bit defeated. I really don't know how to

804
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 5: combat the world's richest people with access to all of

805
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 5: our data, when the media is completely complicit, when the

806
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 5: institution seems to be bending the knee, when everyone seems

807
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 5: to be capitulating to this administration proactively, proactively, the private

808
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 5: sector is bending the knee, and it's just the.

809
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 6: Only thing that coming back.

810
00:38:59,600 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 8: Moved.

811
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Speaker 5: They edited it out of the replay, but he did

812
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 5: get booed. But I guess my only solution has been

813
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 5: can we build insular?

814
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 6: You know?

815
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 5: And I don't know how to do that, Like can

816
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 5: we build an ecosystem amongst ourselves, like a real live

817
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 5: ass wakanda in America where if you ain't rock with us,

818
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 5: if you ain't vote like us, then you can't come

819
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 5: in here. This is our area of safety and being

820
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 5: self sufficient. And I don't know how to do that.

821
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 5: I think there's a way to do it, because the

822
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 5: Black Panther did it. I just I would like to

823
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 5: explore that because I don't have faith in this in

824
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 5: the institution.

825
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 6: Angela.

826
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Speaker 5: You no, you didn't say this on the pile, you

827
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 5: said this in the chat. Midterms. I don't want to

828
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 5: hear nothing about no mid terms. Nothing got right for you.

829
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 7: But where we're right now, there's not about They just

830
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 7: disbanded the election security team. There is not about to

831
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 7: be an election if we don't fight right now. And

832
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Speaker 7: that's the thing. I you know, we've been trained, and Andrew.

833
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 7: I love what Andrew said to about Dream Defenders. I

834
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 7: want to get back to that too. But we've been

835
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 7: trained in leadership to have a long term vision, to

836
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 7: have a long term plan. I think that we are

837
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 7: we are ill equipped to deal with emergency and crisis

838
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 7: for the most part. I don't think that's everybody, but

839
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 7: I think the fact that there has to be crisis

840
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 7: management demonstrates right that people are never really equipped for crisis.

841
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 7: I don't understand how we could see how fragile democracy is,

842
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 7: whether we're talking about Bush v. Gore or now, and

843
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 7: not realize that this is all It's all dependent upon

844
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 7: people acting with integrity, on believing and abiding by what

845
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 7: the constitution says. We literally elect people and hope they

846
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 7: will do right. There are no other checks and balances

847
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 7: except for they will check themselves to be in alignment

848
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 7: with the three co equal branches of government.

849
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 8: That's it.

850
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 7: So it's always hanging in the balance, you know, And

851
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 7: that I think that is the part that is so

852
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 7: scary to me. It's like this man has decided. Jd Vance,

853
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 7: I'm at church. I said this on the on the

854
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 7: on the solo body, Yes, I'm at church. Jd Vance

855
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 7: posts a tweet that's like, who gonna check me boo?

856
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 8: Basically I know what the judge said, but who gonna

857
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 8: check me?

858
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 3: Voo?

859
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 8: Make me bish?

860
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 7: And I'm like, oh my god, Like we know that's

861
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 7: what they thought. But now he put it out here

862
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 7: to digest it. And then he didn't just put out

863
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 7: that one tweet. He put out very a few subsequent

864
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 7: tweets making the argument by which Elon Musk, who I

865
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 7: know we're gonna get to from Doze, which is not

866
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 7: like a nothing entity that now has all power over

867
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 7: the government, arguably more power than Donald Trump himself. That

868
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 7: is the error we're in right now.

869
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 5: Where people think the courts are gonna save us, like

870
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Speaker 5: the courts are not with right now. That's the front

871
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Speaker 5: line fence. But think about it, and Joe, by the

872
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Speaker 5: time you get the Scotus, he Scots is bought.

873
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Speaker 6: And so what did you.

874
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,959
Speaker 5: Say about Clarence Simon Yahucci? Like they loyal to this administration.

875
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Speaker 5: And I also have to say for for jd Vance

876
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 5: to be so embolden and and really he's the weakest link,

877
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Speaker 5: you know. But sure your boy told you you ain't

878
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Speaker 5: never You're not even in the line as a sashion,

879
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Speaker 5: right he said. And to see this press conference with

880
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Speaker 5: President Musk and Donald Trump in that Oval office, it

881
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 5: looks I have a theory that if the media were

882
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Speaker 5: to pursue this idea of Elon Lusk is really the president,

883
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Speaker 5: then we would see this relationship fracture. Donald he did

884
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Speaker 5: not want that. His ego is so fragile. He does

885
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Speaker 5: not have a big ego. If you know, what I'm saying,

886
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 5: and it's so obvious, and he couldn't handle that kind

887
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 5: of line that he is is not really the person

888
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Speaker 5: in charge. The same way it happened with the Santis,

889
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Speaker 5: those who were like this, and then he didn't like

890
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Speaker 5: it anymore. We've seen this happen over and over again.

891
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Speaker 5: The same thing can happen with Elon Musk. And it

892
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 5: looked like that Elon Musk was speaking over him. He

893
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Speaker 5: had his son all in the oval office like they

894
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Speaker 5: should have navigated you money. That's what it looked like

895
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Speaker 5: with with his son playing all in the death Donald

896
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Speaker 5: Trump did not look amused, and Elon Musk was literally

897
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Speaker 5: standing over him. Donald and and and Elon Musk looked

898
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Speaker 5: like Ramsey Bolten Citizen the King's landon book.

899
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Speaker 1: But don't look.

900
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Speaker 4: We have to put the palls on that and come

901
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 4: back to it because you know of a Diard game

902
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Speaker 4: of thron.

903
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Speaker 8: Just smiling and not.

904
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Speaker 5: Well, listen, Donald Trump is reek. I will say this, Andrew,

905
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Speaker 5: because this is one of the best lines of the

906
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Speaker 5: series when there is a scene where two people are

907
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Speaker 5: talking and he says, you would rather see this place

908
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 5: burn so you could rule the ashes and we would

909
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Speaker 5: all fall in a pit of chaos, and a guy,

910
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 5: little Finger, responds and says, chaos is not a pit,

911
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Speaker 5: my friend. Chaos is a ladder. And it was the

912
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Speaker 5: way it was the music and the way that scene

913
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Speaker 5: played out. This is this administration.

914
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Speaker 6: Chaos is not a pit. It is a ladder, and

915
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 6: it is what they will use.

916
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Speaker 5: To climb their way to the top and rule the ashes.

917
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Speaker 5: Because some people want to lead, others want to rule.

918
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Speaker 5: This administration they want to.

919
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Speaker 1: Rule, They want to rule.

920
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Speaker 4: And your point around, I mean, this is why, day

921
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Speaker 4: after day they create crisis. This is why they want

922
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 4: our heads on a swivel. This is why they are

923
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Speaker 4: declaring states of emergency and various parts of the United

924
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Speaker 4: States against various people on various issues. When lord, what

925
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Speaker 4: the hell we got to be afraid of Canada for

926
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Speaker 4: they ain't got nuclear weapons. I mean, they're our neighbor

927
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Speaker 4: and our friend. But but why in the world has

928
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Speaker 4: people have people been revved up around Donald Trump's words

929
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Speaker 4: because he's just declared that there's a crisis here and

930
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Speaker 4: we're overpaying in our military is being suffocated by China,

931
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Speaker 4: and and and and and this is let me tell you,

932
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Speaker 4: we have to yes, be discerning and and and and

933
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Speaker 4: you know, I like Tiffany's phrase of of of covering

934
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 4: Trump is like catching confetti. But we cannot see the ground.

935
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Speaker 4: If I had a message to the Democrat, we cannot

936
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Speaker 4: seed the ground. If this man is going twenty four

937
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Speaker 4: to seven with his message, we would we we best

938
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Speaker 4: be there answering or at least putting the people on

939
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Speaker 4: a new message, on a different message, interpreting what it

940
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Speaker 4: is that they heard because they didn't hear it quite properly,

941
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 4: because the man is a liar in chief more than

942
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Speaker 4: anything else, y'all. The constitutional crisis, because I think this

943
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Speaker 4: term is put out there a lot, and for the

944
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Speaker 4: everyday person, it's like this is necessary, Like what do

945
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Speaker 4: I put my hands around with this whole crisis?

946
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Speaker 1: And wasn't mean?

947
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Speaker 4: And how do I survive in it and through it?

948
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Speaker 4: I would love, Angela if you could just hit on

949
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Speaker 4: like what constitutes this crisis? And then is there something

950
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Speaker 4: about this crisis that is empowering to the people or

951
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 4: is it just a tool for the.

952
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Speaker 1: Person in power? Angela? Before you answer that, let's pay

953
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Speaker 1: some bills on the other side you want to hear.

954
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Speaker 7: Stay tuned for Angela's answer, the very simple answer for

955
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Speaker 7: this is a constitutional crisis exists when one branch of

956
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Speaker 7: government ignores another coequal branch of government full stop. And

957
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Speaker 7: that's why I went into that, you know that ramble

958
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 7: earlier about we were there and we were already just

959
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Speaker 7: the stone throwaway, as you would say, from that, and

960
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Speaker 7: I think with Donald Trump signing another executive order granting

961
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Speaker 7: more authority to DOGE is exactly the problem. So you know,

962
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Speaker 7: folks are saying that like, oh, well, this isn't. This

963
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 7: isn't that sign, This isn't they're focusing on the wrong

964
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Speaker 7: things because they're looking at all of the things that

965
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Speaker 7: provide benefits to us our safety net, but they're not

966
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Speaker 7: looking at the Pentagon. They are about to look at

967
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Speaker 7: the Pentagon. And in particular, this executive order that was

968
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Speaker 7: signed is called an Executive Order implementing the President's Department

969
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Speaker 7: of Government Efficiency DOGE Workforce Optimization Initiative, and it is

970
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Speaker 7: they say that it's to make the workforce more efficient.

971
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Speaker 7: Elon Musk was on TV yesterday or I'm sorry by

972
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Speaker 7: the time this podcast airs a couple of days ago

973
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Speaker 7: talking about how old the people are in Social Security,

974
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 7: like just being so disrespectful, and I mean, we know,

975
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 7: I know we have a clip from him too, But

976
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Speaker 7: the reason for the pressor was to announce this executive

977
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Speaker 7: order that grants them more authority taking reducing the size

978
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Speaker 7: of government, reducing the size of the federal workforce.

979
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Speaker 8: Do you understand that he about to throw us not into.

980
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Speaker 7: A recession, a full on depression the number of people

981
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Speaker 7: that are that aren't going to be able to afford

982
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Speaker 7: groceries or gas. Before I keep going down, it's like,

983
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Speaker 7: can we please run this Elon Messk clip because I

984
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 7: think he got it all figured out, but he really

985
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Speaker 7: ain't gotten it figured out.

986
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 11: The people voted for major covet reform, there should be

987
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 11: no doubt about that. And that's what people are going

988
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 11: to get. They're going to get what they're voted for.

989
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 12: What are the checks and balances that are in place

990
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 12: to ensure that there's accountability and transparency.

991
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 11: Well, we actually are trying to be as transparent as possible.

992
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 11: In fact, our actions repost, our actions to the DOGE

993
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Speaker 11: handle on x and to the DOGE website, you know,

994
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 11: and the kind of things we're doing are I think

995
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 11: very very simple and basic. They're not you know what

996
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 11: I mentioned brings for example about treasure, just making sure

997
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 11: that payments that go out tax para, money that goes

998
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 11: out is categorized correctly, that the payment is explained, that

999
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 11: organizations on that do not play list which are takes

1000
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 11: a lot to get there, that actually are not paid.

1001
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 11: These are not individual judgment decisions. These are about simply

1002
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 11: having sensible checks and balances in the system itself to

1003
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 11: ensure that tax payer money is spent well. So it

1004
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 11: has got length to do with like say a contract

1005
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 11: for some company of mine at all.

1006
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 12: But if there is a conflict of interest when it

1007
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 12: comes to you yourself, for instance, you've received billions of

1008
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 12: dollars in federal contracts when it comes to the Pentagon

1009
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 12: for instance, which the President I know has directed you

1010
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 12: to look into, are you policing yourself in that Is

1011
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 12: there any sort of accountability check and balance in place

1012
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 12: that would provide any transparency for the different people.

1013
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 11: Well, all of our actions are fully public. So if

1014
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 11: you see anything you say like wait a second, hey,

1015
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 11: you know that, doesn't that seems like maybe that's you

1016
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 11: know that there's a conflict there, I s it like

1017
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 11: people are going to be shy about saying they'l say

1018
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 11: it immediately knowing yourself.

1019
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: Yes, that ain't no damn accountability.

1020
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Speaker 7: He also is saying like that, you know the number

1021
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Speaker 7: of people who are working, they're all of these things

1022
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Speaker 7: where they're wasting money. Some of the stuff that he's

1023
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 7: throwing out there to justify these cuts are not even

1024
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Speaker 7: fact based.

1025
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 8: They're just wrong.

1026
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 7: I think at the end of the day, the part

1027
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Speaker 7: that I want to emphasize is that, for example, so

1028
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 7: now they're taking on the Department of Education before they

1029
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Speaker 7: even take on DoD, which of course has the largest

1030
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Speaker 7: amount of discretionary spending at over eight hundred billion dollars.

1031
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 7: But they went into the Department of Ed and have

1032
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Speaker 7: cut eighty nine contracts. He's bragging about this. By the way,

1033
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Speaker 7: y'all can follow all this on DOGE on Twitter, and

1034
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Speaker 7: they have a website. Department of Education cut eighty nine

1035
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Speaker 7: contracts worth eight hundred and eighty one million dollars. They

1036
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Speaker 7: cut DEI training grants. That's diversity, equity and inclusion. We

1037
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Speaker 7: should make them spell it out, twenty nine grants for

1038
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Speaker 7: one hundred and one million dollars. But again they still

1039
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Speaker 7: haven't gone into DoD. I'm going to tell you there

1040
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Speaker 7: is a place where there are folks on both sides

1041
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 7: of the aisle that talk about waste, fraud, and abuse

1042
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 7: right especially add there would have been I think bipartisan

1043
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Speaker 7: support for this if it wasn't so egregious and violating

1044
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Speaker 7: what the law said. They have overhauled federal agencies that

1045
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 7: have been legislated, signed, passed by the legislature, both chambers,

1046
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 7: signed into law, and Donald Trump's just been like the

1047
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 7: hel with.

1048
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Speaker 8: C FPB they held with the whole Department Education, they

1049
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 8: held with this.

1050
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Speaker 7: But I'm gonna put Doge in charge of all of you,

1051
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 7: and I'm going to give them unfettered access and power

1052
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 7: to do whatever. That is what dictatorship looks like. That

1053
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Speaker 7: is what a constitutional crisis looks like.

1054
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Speaker 4: And guess what, there would not be a constitutional crisis

1055
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Speaker 4: if the legislative branch, the folks who were carved out

1056
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 4: in Section two of the Constitution and told that they

1057
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Speaker 4: have the obligation, the right of appropriation, if they would

1058
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 4: simply stand up and say, oh no, sir, you're treading online.

1059
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Speaker 4: You're treading on the wrong water. Right now, this part

1060
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 4: the bill that went through Congress that created this institution

1061
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 4: or created that agency or created that department under which

1062
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Speaker 4: we then approved a budget that was eventually signed into

1063
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Speaker 4: law by the President of.

1064
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Speaker 1: The United States. We've already told you where the money going.

1065
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Speaker 1: All you need to do is cut the check.

1066
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Speaker 4: And unfortunately they're so efeckless, they're so weak, they're so

1067
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 4: a million miles if you will, to take a turn

1068
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 4: from my grandmama about what they're doing. They're allowing this

1069
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 4: man to ride rush shot over them. So if the

1070
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Speaker 4: third a lot of people, and I know this feels basic,

1071
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Speaker 4: and I apologize if you're on the listening end of

1072
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Speaker 4: this and are like, duh, But a lot of folks

1073
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Speaker 4: think that the presidency is a position set above, and

1074
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Speaker 4: in some ways, the presidency is a position set above,

1075
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Speaker 4: largely because he's also.

1076
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Speaker 1: The commander in chief of our armed services.

1077
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Speaker 4: It allows a very powerful quiver within his responsibilities as

1078
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Speaker 4: or her responsibilities in the office in the carrying out

1079
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Speaker 4: of the office of the presidency.

1080
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Speaker 1: But the presidency, the executive branch, headed by hold.

1081
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Speaker 4: By the president, is one branch of government that has

1082
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Speaker 4: to then negotiate with two other branches of government, holding

1083
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Speaker 4: each other mutually accountable, which means the president can't book

1084
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Speaker 4: foot bigfoot the Congress.

1085
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Speaker 1: The Congress can't bigfoot the president on its own. The

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Speaker 1: courts can't.

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Speaker 4: Bigfoot everybody without some ability of checks and balances between

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Speaker 4: the three. The checks and balances don't exist between the

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Speaker 4: Senate and the House. Checks and balances refers to the

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Speaker 4: check on power between the three different branches of government judicial, legislative,

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Speaker 4: and executive. And guess what the first branch of government is,

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Speaker 4: the legislative branch. It was the first branch that the

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Speaker 4: founders thought of. It was the first branch constituted, but

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Speaker 4: for there was ever even a president selected.

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Speaker 1: I say this to say it.

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Speaker 4: I know it is in the weeds, y'all, But the

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Speaker 4: reason why we ought to have umbrage for the way

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Speaker 4: in which Donald Trump is going about his business is

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Speaker 4: because he's not just doing it on his own. He's

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Speaker 4: being allowed to do it by the legislative branch deciding

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Speaker 4: to sit back seat and let him drive their let

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Speaker 4: him drive their bus. And I just we wouldn't be

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Speaker 4: in this place if we weren't, if we didn't have

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Speaker 4: members of Congress who were so weak when it comes

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Speaker 4: to their job. It used to be that it was

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Speaker 4: a non partisan issue. If you came after our branch,

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Speaker 4: the branch unites against the branch that is attacking them.

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Speaker 6: In this case, we.

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Speaker 7: Should be challenging him to do like I know we're

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Speaker 7: I think on our social media we're going to put

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Speaker 7: up the members. There are twenty nine vulnerable Republican members

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Speaker 7: in mostly democratic districts. We're gonna put those up, encourage

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Speaker 7: people to call. We're gonna take a page out of

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Speaker 7: Maxwell Frosts, organize and book and make sure we encourage

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Speaker 7: people to do that. I know one thing that TIF

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Speaker 7: really wanted to do before we get today was get

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Speaker 7: to some of these questions.

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Speaker 8: So I want pivot to that.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. The first one, no tip, what are

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Speaker 1: you gonna say?

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Speaker 6: Oh, I just wanted to comment on the whole thing

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Speaker 6: that you all were just talking about.

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Speaker 4: This.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not situtional crisis.

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Speaker 5: And I think the second part of that question to

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Speaker 5: NFL is are we at a constitutional convention. We've seen

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Speaker 5: this happen in the country numerous times. There was a

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Speaker 5: great piece in the Times this week about the three

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Speaker 5: previous times or our constitution has been thrown into question

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Speaker 5: and helped shape the government. The first time, of course,

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Speaker 5: was surrounding. The second time was reconstruction, and the third

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Speaker 5: time was the New Deal. And so the writer argues

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Speaker 5: that this is the fourth time that this country will

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Speaker 5: be faced with a reshaping. Will we stand in place

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Speaker 5: and protect this constitution or what we bend the need

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Speaker 5: and let them reshape American government as we know it?

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Speaker 6: And it looks like so far that we're biding me.

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Speaker 6: I just wanted to get that point in. I love

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Speaker 6: that you know the way, and you.

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Speaker 7: Said that's the article, and then let's make sure Nick,

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Speaker 7: we just put that in the link for the audience

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Speaker 7: to see as well.

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Speaker 8: That sounds good.

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Speaker 6: I want to yeah, it was really good.

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Speaker 5: But yes, I take your point. I do want to

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Speaker 5: hear from the audience. I want to hear some of

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Speaker 5: these questions. So let's get to the first one, I

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Speaker 5: think if I can. There was a question that came

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Speaker 5: into Andrew, which I've been really eager. Yes, I have

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Speaker 5: been so eager because when when I first saw this question,

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Speaker 5: was like, you know, I actually have that question as well.

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Speaker 6: And so we purposely did not want Andrew because because

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Speaker 6: we want your genuine.

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Speaker 1: You always get answer.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I didn't want U think or saying I don't

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Speaker 5: want to talk about.

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Speaker 6: It or whatever.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we got you.

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Speaker 2: Well come well, come, well, come, well come, welcome, welcome.

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Speaker 6: Let's roll that question so we can hear Andrew's answer.

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Speaker 13: Hey, Native Lamb Fan Oscar David, Florida's calling from New

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Speaker 13: York City, Day one Fan. Two quick questions. One's more

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Speaker 13: like a kind of fun question, which is that Angela

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Speaker 13: Right's name came up in an episode of Southside Just

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Speaker 13: rewatching the show. It's my new favorite show, and they

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Speaker 13: referred to her as a woman from CNN. So I

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Speaker 13: guess I wonder what each of you would like to

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Speaker 13: be remembered by if someone were to reference you now.

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Speaker 13: And the easy answer is from Native Lamb podcast, But

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Speaker 13: I guess I wonder what that other kind of cultural

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Speaker 13: reference you'd like is. Second is for Andrew, my parents

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Speaker 13: live in Florida. I am Latino. They are obviously Latinos,

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Speaker 13: and I had to do a lot of education during

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Speaker 13: your campaign to try to get them to vote, and

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Speaker 13: they voted for you. So my question is when are

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Speaker 13: you going to run to take this Marco Rubio seat

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Speaker 13: and what is your plan for that, you know, community

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Speaker 13: to really see what you're doing and to try to

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Speaker 13: improve the numbers because I think that especially in Florida

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Speaker 13: Oceola County specifically where they are, I'm not sure that

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Speaker 13: the education was there. So just interested in like your

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Speaker 13: post mortem on that, and so really, when you're gonna

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Speaker 13: run and take that seat.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, listen at it.

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Speaker 4: So of course I know why you all kept that.

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Speaker 4: First of all, thank you, Oscar, and to also give

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Speaker 4: your parents.

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Speaker 1: A shout out for me. I appreciate the support.

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Speaker 4: Ostiola County was one of the counties we carried in

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Speaker 4: the race for governor, and while I have no designs

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Speaker 4: on the seat that was vacated by Marco Rubio, I

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Speaker 4: do have a deep, deep, deep love for the state that.

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Speaker 1: I owe it all to.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm I'm born and raised Florida right from

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Speaker 4: the bottom to the top. Literally my day County at

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Speaker 4: the very bottom of the state and where I am

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Speaker 4: right now, twenty minutes from the Georgia border. It breaks

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Speaker 4: my heart to see what the state has turned into

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Speaker 4: under this current regime. But it's you know, DeSantis just

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Speaker 4: happens to be the titular head right now. It has

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Speaker 4: been many decades in the making. What I do know

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Speaker 4: as certainly what I believe, even if I don't know

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Speaker 4: it on the numbers, is I believe that progressives, thoughtful,

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Speaker 4: futuristic people who care about the future of their children

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Speaker 4: and their families, their neighborhoods, all of that stuff, that

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Speaker 4: they are the majority. And this you know kleptocracy that

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Speaker 4: you know DeSantis and Trump, you know little Baby Trump

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Speaker 4: or Acolyte Trump, Many Me, Marco, all these guys, they're

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Speaker 4: simply as to still you know Tiffany's phrase, bending a

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Speaker 4: knee to their massive They don't bel leave with their

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Speaker 4: heart and their soul and their might and what it

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Speaker 4: is that they're doing this is a transaction. And what

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Speaker 4: I know is is that we're better than a transaction.

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Speaker 4: I said a long time ago, I say right now.

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Speaker 4: I don't have designs on public office at this time,

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Speaker 4: but I am open to the ways in which God

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Speaker 4: wants to use me.

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Speaker 1: To make life better for all of us. That is,

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Speaker 1: in some ways through this pod it can be, you know,

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Speaker 1: in other ways, I just don't know. But I do

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Speaker 1: know this much.

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Speaker 4: My children are worth it. Your children are worth it,

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Speaker 4: Your parents are worth it. And the people right now

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Speaker 4: who are not just in Florida but all over the

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Speaker 4: country who are devastated by what they're experiencing, mostly because

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Speaker 4: the floor doesn't feel like the floor anymore. You know,

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Speaker 4: You're like, Okay, I'm gonna fall. I'm gonna take this

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Speaker 4: fall because I know that there is a landing. We

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Speaker 4: don't know where the landing is right now, and all

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Speaker 4: of us are terrified. There is not one amongst us,

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Speaker 4: and I count myself included. I am terrified for this

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Speaker 4: moment in the future and what it will behold because

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Speaker 4: I think it still depends on what we the people

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Speaker 4: decide and if the majority of us want to stay sleep.

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Speaker 1: Got to help us all.

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Speaker 8: I was about to press him to girls, Yeah, press.

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Speaker 6: So two parts.

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Speaker 5: One, can we get a clear answer on your political aspirations?

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Speaker 5: That includes, you're not going to run for senator the

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Speaker 5: current secretary of State?

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 5: The other part of his question, which I think is

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Speaker 5: very relevant. Even I've heard that you're not running, you

1244
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Speaker 5: reserve the right to change your mind to run.

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Speaker 1: For any I reserve the right to be so moved.

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Speaker 6: Okay, moved.

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Speaker 5: But the second part of his question, which I think

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Speaker 5: is very relevant to not only people across the country,

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Speaker 5: but specifically to Florida, which holds a significuly large, larger

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Speaker 5: than normal comparatively speaking to the rest of the country

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Speaker 5: Latino population. Surely you have thoughts on what types of

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Speaker 5: policies need to be introduced, even if you're not planning

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Speaker 5: on being the person to introduce them. But what would

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Speaker 5: you say to the Latino community about what's happening in Florida,

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Speaker 5: but also as that can extend across the country when

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Speaker 5: it comes to issues facing that community specifically.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate the re emphasis of that, and I'll just

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Speaker 4: say I'd love to get into some policy prescripts, but

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Speaker 4: I want to say more generally, the Latino community in

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Speaker 4: the state of Florida is not a monolith. And I

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Speaker 4: know we use that statement about black voters are not

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Speaker 4: a monolith, and this group is not a monolith. But

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Speaker 4: I mean very seriously, in the state of Florida, you

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Speaker 4: cannot assume a community's politics like the Latino community because

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Speaker 4: you heard it from a Cuban American, or because you

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Speaker 4: heard it from a Venezuelan or a Puerto Rican hunder

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Speaker 4: and a South American. From all the various countries that

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Speaker 4: you know exists within this hemisphere, every one of them

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Speaker 4: brings the shaping of where they came from their lived experience,

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Speaker 4: and it colors how.

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Speaker 1: They experienced the world.

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Speaker 4: And I use just a really quick example, there were

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Speaker 4: a lot of Latinos who fell behind Donald Trump. Men

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Speaker 4: and women, but by and large Latino men in this

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Speaker 4: state because while they hate a Maduro right an authoritarian

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Speaker 4: strong man, many of the countries have been led. They

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Speaker 4: have known nothing but strong man ty Haiti, you know,

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Speaker 4: Papa dot, baby dot, you know, you name it. These

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Speaker 4: were these were These were political images, but they were

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Speaker 4: also revolutionary. Think about Fidel Castro and the and and

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Speaker 4: his brother and the and the people who are loyal

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Speaker 4: to him on that island are definitely loyal because he

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Speaker 4: changed their whole world circumstance as far as they were concerned.

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Speaker 4: These were people who were treated as cockroaches because their

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Speaker 4: skin was darker, or because they worked the land. And

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Speaker 4: what he did is he turned the aristocrats and the

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Speaker 4: proletariat upside down. I say all that to say that

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Speaker 4: while I believe folks want better for themselves and for

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Speaker 4: their family, they want democracy on paper, but in real life,

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Speaker 4: there are huge swaths of this community that are still

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Speaker 4: choosing this sort of strong man autocratic leadership, and don't

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Speaker 4: think that democracy, quite frankly, is all that it has

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Speaker 4: been sold out to being.

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Speaker 1: So I would just say, please, please, please, please please,

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Speaker 1: do not believe the hype.

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Speaker 4: While Republicans may talk a talk, they may talk bad

1297
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 4: about all these authoritarians, just take a step back and

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01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 4: then watch out they're governing. Take a step back and

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01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 4: see if these folks are really rejecting autocracies or if

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Speaker 4: they're modeling that autocracy, and that, frankly, that understanding would

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Speaker 4: open up a whole gateway of opportunity for us in

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Speaker 4: the state of Florida to have all kinds of conversations

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Speaker 4: with the diaspora of Latinos in this state that we

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Speaker 4: can't even get to right now because all they see

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Speaker 4: is socialists versus quote democracy or free market. And if

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Speaker 4: you're a Democrat, you're a socialist. And if you believe

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Speaker 4: an opportunity and job development and economic growth and opportunity

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Speaker 4: and the fact that you ought to be able to

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Speaker 4: do better than your parents did before you, then you

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Speaker 4: must be a Republican. That is simply false. They've run

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Speaker 4: a great ad campaign, but that's not how they govern.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Andrew I appreciate your answer, and you sound really

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Speaker 7: ready to run for the Senate given that filibuster. But

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Speaker 7: I want to say this, We're in a time where

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Speaker 7: we're telling everybody it's all hands on deck, that courage matters,

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Speaker 7: like I've never seen you back away from a fight

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Speaker 7: on I have a new favorite story from you today

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Speaker 7: on what happened with the Dream Defenders at that ribbon cutting.

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Speaker 7: But my favorite story during your gubernatorial race was you

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Speaker 7: going to sit in with the people and not caring

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Speaker 7: about what that meant for your race, because you had

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Speaker 7: a bigger obligation to humanity, to your community, to the

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Speaker 7: culture always. And I think that in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 7: not everyone, but in a lot of ways, most people

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Speaker 7: don't feel that connection to their elected officials anymore.

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Speaker 8: And so do you believe that I'm a prophet?

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Speaker 1: You may be, so God told me to.

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Speaker 8: Tell you need to read.

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Speaker 1: Oh you prolyzing?

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Speaker 7: Okay, Okay, I'm just saying, like Andrew, that is I'm

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Speaker 7: gonna get in trouble with Jay probably.

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Speaker 8: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: Jah.

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Speaker 7: I love you and the kids, but I really do

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Speaker 7: believe you are uniquely called. You are uniquely gifted. Tiff

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Speaker 7: is telling you she feels checked out and afraid. I'm

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Speaker 7: telling you, I'm feeling firecracker and ready for a civil war.

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Speaker 8: And somewhere in the middle you.

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Speaker 7: Exist to bring the sides together, to bring calm, to

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Speaker 7: bring logic, to bring strategy. I'm not saying we're not

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Speaker 7: good strategies to deff but I think that there's a

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Speaker 7: way that you do it through the purview of an

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Speaker 7: elected official and through diplomacy in ways where TIFFs sometimes

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Speaker 7: will be like this person not in the ministry. You

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Speaker 7: really got a ministry with folks to negotiate in ways

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Speaker 7: that we deeply need right now because we do have

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Speaker 7: to tamper down what's happening on the other side so

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Speaker 7: they understand what's at risk. You believe in this country

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Speaker 7: clearly because of the ways in which you've served it,

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Speaker 7: and so I just am asking you to really pray

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Speaker 7: about what that looks like. Obviously, you can't run for

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Speaker 7: an office right in this moment, but there is an

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Speaker 7: opportunity coming and hopefully as long as the democracy can

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Speaker 7: be saved, and I think that you have put a

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Speaker 7: lot on the line, I'm not asking you to self

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Speaker 7: sacrifice in ways that don't feel authentic to your mission

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Speaker 7: and your call. But I also would challenge you not

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Speaker 7: to run from your mission and your call. I receive

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Speaker 7: that because the people are still with you.

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Speaker 4: I receive.

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Speaker 1: So like I'm hijacking part of our episode because it.

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Speaker 8: Is about us.

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Speaker 7: This, this whole, everything that's happening right now is a lot, yes,

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Speaker 7: And I'm saying that in order for us to win,

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Speaker 7: we all have to play our parts. Absolutely, we all

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Speaker 7: have to play our position. We cannot be afraid of

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Speaker 7: their faces.

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Speaker 8: We have to go for what we know.

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Speaker 7: We have to go for like you are called and

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Speaker 7: anointed for such a term as this, and I just

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Speaker 7: want you to hold on to that fact, to that truth.

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Speaker 7: I know what you don't want to do, but I'm

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Speaker 7: telling you, if you search beyond that surface level what

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Speaker 7: you don't want to do, it might still be in there.

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Speaker 4: Well, I want you to know, and I want everybody

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Speaker 4: listening to know. One there ain't a thing out here

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Speaker 4: that I'm in the in this world, in this earthly world,

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Speaker 4: that I am you know, truly afraid of. I'm not

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Speaker 4: afraid of public office. I'm not afraid of a hard

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Speaker 4: fought race. I've done that longer than I care to

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Speaker 4: count right now, And I do think that we all

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Speaker 4: have roles to play, and guess what, over the arca time,

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Speaker 4: those roles shifts shift from one to another, from one

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Speaker 4: to another. In this moment, I think all of us

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Speaker 4: are being called to step up. If it's not painful

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Speaker 4: right now, then we're not doing it right. If we

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Speaker 4: are not anguished in some way right now, then we're

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Speaker 4: not doing it right. If we are sleeping like sleeping

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Speaker 4: beauty without a care in the damn world right now,

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Speaker 4: we're not doing life right now. I wish I could.

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Speaker 4: I wish I could have that right, the peace of mind.

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Speaker 4: But in truth, if you have a steady peace of

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Speaker 4: mind right now, given the climate in which we exist,

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Speaker 4: I'm not certain that we're doing it right right And

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Speaker 4: so I have angst about all those things, and I

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Speaker 4: have ideas around how we get around it. But I

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Speaker 4: feel good right now being in support of the people

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Speaker 4: who are there.

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Speaker 1: And who are on the.

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Speaker 4: Electoral front line. And there's another front line. There's an

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Speaker 4: information front line that I hope that we're standing in

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Speaker 4: the gap for. There's an organizing front line, there's a

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01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 4: protest front line, there's an economic boycott front line right

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01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 4: that folks all get to participating in so we all

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01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,679
Speaker 4: have our ways. That's not to say that God will

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Speaker 4: not move me in ways that I cannot right now fathom,

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01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 4: but I I am open and available to that. I

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01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 4: just asked that that you know that that he handles

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01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 4: me as continually with care, because being handled with care

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01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,560
Speaker 4: in this line of work is a requirement.

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01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 1: Otherwise you lose.

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Speaker 4: You lose a lot, and at the end of it

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Speaker 4: is your soul. And so you know, care is care

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01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 4: is mandatory, It's not an option.

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Speaker 7: This is where the me and Tim different tips like okay,

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Speaker 7: Angela and full convincing.

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Speaker 8: I'm not done either. You know it's gonna continue, I.

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Speaker 1: Know, but not on the show, I said off air.

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Speaker 5: So I think another thing that the viewer asked what

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Speaker 5: I thought was hilarious south Side It's one of my

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Speaker 5: favorite shows. Who It is hilarious, and I remember watching

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Speaker 5: that episode where the guy is like, oh was at

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Speaker 5: a party last night with Angela writes from CNN.

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Speaker 6: It was so funny.

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Speaker 5: That show is high hilarious. Shout out to the creator.

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Speaker 5: Oh it's so it's off air now. Unfortunately HBO canceled it.

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Speaker 5: But shout out to the creator. It's just it's a

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Speaker 5: family who do the show.

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Speaker 6: But it is us. It is all day Chicago.

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Speaker 5: So if you are from Chicago familiar with Chicago. One

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01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 5: of the lines of women was like, oh, I grew

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Speaker 5: up around here. I grew up on seventy six and Damons.

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Speaker 5: So all my friends from Chicago always say, oh, like,

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Speaker 5: I know seventy six and Daemon.

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Speaker 6: That's all I know. So shout out to the shy Town.

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Speaker 5: If somebody were to reference me the cultural reference, I

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01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 5: was thinking about that. Don't think I have a good answer.

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01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 5: I may need to think about it, but I would

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01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 5: want them to say that I was somebody who always

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01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 5: prioritized informing the people and writing for the people.

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Speaker 6: I hope, I hope that's what they would.

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01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, they would, they should.

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Speaker 5: And I'm gonna find I'm gonna try to find that

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Speaker 5: clipp and send it to you because it is hilarious.

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01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 6: When he said that, Sorry, Andrew.

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01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,959
Speaker 7: I definitely said, I don't want to be known for CNN.

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01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 7: I think, yeah, that's my biggest frustration, because people got

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01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 7: familiar with me. Is just like somebody who clapped back,

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01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,560
Speaker 7: and I think that that is it's just reductionists like

1450
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 7: you know, you spend your whole life learning to be

1451
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 7: just study to show yourself approved, and it just be

1452
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 7: known for a clad bag, like factual clad bag is good.

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01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 7: But I want to be known for much more. And

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01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 7: I think the thing that I want to be known for,

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01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 7: especially if you know this authoritarian regime continues and we

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01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 7: all go down, I want to be known for courage.

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01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 7: I want to be known for fighting for my people,

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01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 7: no matter the cost. And I hope that we don't

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01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 7: have to murtyr anymore. You know, I don't want to

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01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 7: be a martyr, but if I have to be, so

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01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 7: be it. I'll do it for Harriet, who y'all know

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01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 7: I got on my chain. Let me show you my

1463
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 7: Harriet chain case y'all forgot.

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01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 8: But I want her to be proud. I want Harriet

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01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 8: to be proud.

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Speaker 1: That's real.

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Speaker 4: I think I like to be known as a person

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01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 4: who did it true. I also want to be known

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01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 4: as a person when I'm not on the stage, as

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01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 4: someone who, yeah, may be missed, but you feel in

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01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 4: many ways reassured because you know that we've trained others behind,

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01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:06,879
Speaker 4: not for a singular leader, but for movement, right for movement,

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Speaker 4: and like the phoenix out of ashes, you know, rising

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01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:25,560
Speaker 4: far past what people think is possible, And not for

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Speaker 4: my sake, but as an example for others who think that.

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Speaker 1: Your worst day.

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Speaker 4: Is the only day in your life by which you'll

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01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 4: have any real memory, that you will never Hopefully your

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01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 4: experience won't be that you're forever judged by your worst day,

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Speaker 4: or your worst decision, or your worst evening or your

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01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 4: worst incident, but rather as a complete, imperfect human being

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Speaker 4: who who.

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Speaker 1: Care and who loves. I love y'all, And with that, y'all,

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Speaker 1: you got enough of us today. Never that I listen.

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Speaker 4: We wanted to get to more listener questions, but I

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Speaker 4: think we all got carried into into like, Okay, we're

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01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 4: about to sign. We're going to the spreadsheet and we're

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01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 4: gonna sign what roles and responsibilities each of us have

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Speaker 4: in this moment.

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01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: But know that we're all always going to.

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01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 4: Be thinking about the ways in which we can play

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01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 4: a more impactful role, not for our sake, but for

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01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 4: our collective's sake. As always, we want to remind everyone

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Speaker 4: And even though my cohes don't want to hear it,

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Speaker 4: there are six hundred and twenty eight days into the

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Speaker 4: midterm elections counted down.

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Speaker 2: For serve, defend and.

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Speaker 14: Protect the truth in case, we welcome home to all

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Speaker 14: of the Natives.

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Speaker 2: We thank you.

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