Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2: Hello?
Speaker 1: Hello, We're back with are you a Charlotte? We have
Speaker 1: a fantastic guest today.
Speaker 2: My name is me Ray.
Speaker 1: You knows. I think you.
Speaker 2: Will recognize her. The fact that she was actually on
Speaker 2: Sex and the.
Speaker 1: City is crazy million years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so special.
Speaker 1: And amazing, and you know, it's fun for me because
Speaker 1: when they told me that you because they went they
Speaker 1: looked at all the list of the names of everyone
Speaker 1: who was in the show and they were like me,
Speaker 1: Ray Knows. I was like, I guess, I mean for me,
Speaker 1: I wasn't in that scene, right, No, yeah.
Speaker 3: Valerie Harper, justin Thurrau. I mean, it was such an
Speaker 3: incredible scene to be a part of. And this was
Speaker 3: actually a big moment in my life. So I had
Speaker 3: recently moved to New York. I was like waiting tables
Speaker 3: and being an art model and hustling, and I had
Speaker 3: recently there was an agent named Jim Flynn who I
Speaker 3: hadn't even met. Jim, I had met his assistant who
Speaker 3: had come to see a showcase and had he had
Speaker 3: recently been given permission to sign for like actors for
Speaker 3: commercials or like three and rounder lines whatever. And so
Speaker 3: the first audition he sent me out on was this
Speaker 3: no Yes sax in the City, one line Wow, And
Speaker 3: I booked it and it was my first paying job
Speaker 3: in New York City. But I had to pay my
Speaker 3: SAG dues before I could walk on set. I had
Speaker 3: three dollars in my bank account, so I was asking
Speaker 3: my parents to wire me the money and all this stuff.
Speaker 3: And so all day long, this little newbie agent was
Speaker 3: like on the phone, and Jim finally was like, what
Speaker 3: the heck is going on? Who is this person? So
Speaker 3: this one line was my first paying job in New York,
Speaker 3: got me my SAG card, and then ultimately Jim Flynn
Speaker 3: signed me and he was my agent for all the
Speaker 3: years I was in New York.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so nice. That's a nice story.
Speaker 1: Can I say that everything about it? Of course, you
Speaker 1: know what was going on in your life, that's so interesting.
Speaker 1: But when you look at yourself in that scene, you
Speaker 1: only have one line, but you're amazing.
Speaker 3: Oh you're sweet, thank you, And here you are with
Speaker 3: all these people, like it's wonderful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, incredible people. And how was like even with all
Speaker 1: this background going on. How was the experience it was?
Speaker 1: It was I.
Speaker 3: Remembered it being a very happy day that everyone was
Speaker 3: kind and they were all just like you know, actors
Speaker 3: right in there and telling a story and having some fun,
Speaker 3: right and of course you know, I mean second, the
Speaker 3: city is so iconic and the storytelling is so wonderful.
Speaker 3: And this episode, I mean, I've seen so many episodes
Speaker 3: from all the seasons, but this episode I just rewatched.
Speaker 3: It really stands up. It was a really awesome episode.
Speaker 1: It's super interesting, it really is. Yeah, I didn't even
Speaker 1: really remember it. Yeah, like I remember the Valerie Harper
Speaker 1: was on the show. We were so excited because all
Speaker 1: of us grew up of course with Mary Tyler Moore
Speaker 1: and Rhoda for all of you youngsters, and fantastic kind
Speaker 1: of one of the I mean not original. I guess
Speaker 1: Lucille Ball would be the first female Jordans and she
Speaker 1: was really and pivotal in terms of young women and
Speaker 1: she was a career woman.
Speaker 2: Mary Tyler Moore and Rhode was her best friend.
Speaker 1: So it was in some ways kind of almost a
Speaker 1: blueprint for sex and the city in a certain way
Speaker 1: at a different time. Right, So it meant so much
Speaker 1: to us to get Valerie Harper. I remember being so
Speaker 1: excited about that and kind of like starstruck and didn't
Speaker 1: know what to say. Sir Jesco was so excited, which
Speaker 1: I feel like you can see in those.
Speaker 3: Totally their scenes together are so wonderful.
Speaker 1: They're really good. They're really good. And then we have
Speaker 1: justin Throw for the second time, which is kind of
Speaker 1: hysterical because this is the second season and I had vaguely,
Speaker 1: vaguely remembered that, but I'm not working with him, right,
Speaker 1: but I know him.
Speaker 3: He's such a.
Speaker 1: Lovely guy, and I had completely forgotten about their rather
Speaker 1: embarrassing storyline. Yes, I just remembered that he was on
Speaker 1: the show, right, and the Valerie Harper's on the show,
Speaker 1: And then when I actually watched what they're talking about, hilarious.
Speaker 1: It's hilarious but also like so real. Yes, I mean
Speaker 1: played for laughs, but yet still so real. All right,
Speaker 1: So let's get back to a little bit of details.
Speaker 1: So this episode is called Shortcomings, which is you know, yeah, perfect,
Speaker 1: oh god, And it was directed by Daniel Algrandt, who's
Speaker 1: a really interesting director and I honestly can't remember if
Speaker 1: he came back or not. He had done a movie
Speaker 1: in indie I think it's called is it called Naked
Speaker 1: in New York. I should have asked you guys this
Speaker 1: before we started get the producers to look it up.
Speaker 1: He had, You know, there was a time when we
Speaker 1: would get like indie film directors, especially first season, and
Speaker 1: he was kind of a second season version of that.
Speaker 4: Yeh.
Speaker 1: Then also, we're at this point getting a lot of
Speaker 1: sopranos directors in the loop, so I kind of got
Speaker 1: this interesting mix going on.
Speaker 2: Yes, Naked in New York.
Speaker 1: That was his indie film in the nineties, So I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, people like have a kind of
Speaker 1: an indie hit back in the day when you could
Speaker 1: have an indie hit, and then they're kind of like
Speaker 1: the hot ticket.
Speaker 2: This was Daniel Algrand and he was very sweet.
Speaker 1: And this is written by Terry Minsky, which is also
Speaker 1: interesting because Terry Minsky wrote in the first season, yet
Speaker 1: was not on the set with us. And I think
Speaker 1: by the time you came and I don't know if
Speaker 1: you would remember this, we had Cindy Schupack and Jenny
Speaker 1: Bicks were our supervising producer slash writers, right, so they
Speaker 1: were around a lot, right, I mean, I probably saw
Speaker 1: it's such a blur. Of course, of course, so this
Speaker 1: is my Mewray story. So I did not remember that.
Speaker 3: You were on our show.
Speaker 1: So when my producer said, I was like, well, but
Speaker 1: definitely call her. What on earth did she play? Because
Speaker 1: I don't remember. But you know, when you're not there
Speaker 1: with other people, you don't always know what's going on
Speaker 1: the storyline.
Speaker 3: That's plus, you met a lot of people over the
Speaker 3: course of all those and.
Speaker 1: We didn't sleep. But the reason that it was interesting
Speaker 1: to me is that when your show The Killing came on,
Speaker 1: I remember watching the opening sequence. You're running in that
Speaker 1: fisherman sweater. I believe you're in Vancouver, on the edge
Speaker 1: of Stanley Park. That's a place we all know, all
Speaker 1: actors know. And I was like, I love her, and
Speaker 1: she seems so familiar, that was my thought. And I
Speaker 1: watched that you were so yeah, but you're very unique,
Speaker 1: you know, and so specific. And when I see you
Speaker 1: in that scene because of course I'm waiting with baited
Speaker 1: Bread the whole episode where she wears and then finally
Speaker 1: you show up, and you're just so interesting and so present.
Speaker 1: And to think that that was your first job, my
Speaker 1: first job in New artible incredible, your first job in
Speaker 1: New York City. I love that so much. And that's
Speaker 1: the joy of being on a show for a while.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: It's getting to see the talent that they were able
Speaker 1: to find and pull.
Speaker 3: Well, especially a show cast in New York, which just
Speaker 3: feels like such a tight community of actors, and you
Speaker 3: see people that are on stage and then they're shooting
Speaker 3: an episode of a show and you see the same
Speaker 3: thing in Only Murders in the building. You have all
Speaker 3: of these wonderful New York actors that get pulled to
Speaker 3: do Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it feels really.
Speaker 1: It's so great, so great. So now I'm going to
Speaker 1: talk about our other connection. Okay, So, sir, Jessica is
Speaker 1: married to Matthew Brodrics. Matthew Broderick was in a movie
Speaker 1: with your husband way back when we were young.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was a kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was of the age to be completely obsessed
Speaker 1: with Ferriz Fueller Farrispuelller's Day Off. I hope all of
Speaker 1: you have seen this, but if you haven't, you must
Speaker 1: immediately go watch. It is a classic. And the joy
Speaker 1: is that they're currently in Vancouver working.
Speaker 3: Yes, forty years later Alan Rock Matthew Broderick, who originally
Speaker 3: met doing a Broadway play LuxI Blues.
Speaker 2: No, I've forgotten that part.
Speaker 1: Yes, they saw, Yes, it was so incredible.
Speaker 3: So they were already friends, yes, And so then Matthew
Speaker 3: got Ferrispueler and then Allan was called in and of
Speaker 3: course they got cast together. And so they were already
Speaker 3: friends when they shot that film. And I feel like
Speaker 3: you can really feel that in the chemistry and the
Speaker 3: the you know, the scene where Alan is on the
Speaker 3: phone and he's pretending to be so that was a joke.
Speaker 3: The voice that he does, that was a joke to
Speaker 3: crack Matthew up because he was doing an imitation of
Speaker 3: Gene Sacks, who had directed BLUCKSI Blas. That's a little insider.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: And so they've stayed pals all these years. Forty years wow,
Speaker 3: And right now they're shooting a movie called The Best
Speaker 3: Is Yet to Come and it's about lifelong male friendship.
Speaker 3: And it's just like Alan is having the time of the.
Speaker 1: Yea the last time Matthew was in Vancouver. And this
Speaker 1: is why Sarah Jessica told me about it. He and
Speaker 1: I were filming a Christmas movie together in like one
Speaker 1: hundred degree we know, August, and he was in a
Speaker 1: hole tizzy about where to stay. You know, it's always
Speaker 1: an issue right when you go on location. Where to stay?
Speaker 1: Where to stay? Where to stay? And Sir Jessica was like,
Speaker 1: where did you say? Where did he stay last time?
Speaker 2: Remind me? And so week we had to talk it
Speaker 2: through it. It really made me.
Speaker 1: Laugh that number one, I love the interconnectedness of all
Speaker 1: of us over time, and number.
Speaker 2: Two, the HBO of it all is hysterical.
Speaker 1: I mean, like to watch Ellen, I mean throughout his career, Spencity,
Speaker 1: so many amazing things, but the succession.
Speaker 3: Succession, I mean yeah, I know, special experience, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean yeah. And he plays such a hard character. But
Speaker 3: you loved him, yes, you love him. And he's also
Speaker 3: kind of a sociopath. He's a dumb dumb and also
Speaker 3: like heartbreaking all the things. That's very hard. It's very hard,
Speaker 3: very very hard.
Speaker 2: He's amazing, he is.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I love to have you on and I love all
Speaker 2: the connections.
Speaker 1: It's always a joy to uh, you know, like the
Speaker 1: Kevin Bacon six degrees of it's very it's very everyone's
Speaker 1: very connected, and that is I think one of the
Speaker 1: joys of our of our job.
Speaker 3: Well, when you're in a career for like a long time,
Speaker 3: that that just happens. You know, people's paths cross and
Speaker 3: you work with each other's spouses and yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: It's a joy. It's a joy. All right. Let's break
Speaker 1: down this episode a little bit, because sometimes it's just
Speaker 1: fun to chat. Yeah, I rewatch, but it was very
Speaker 1: entertaining for me also to rewatch because sometimes I have
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of memories more behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: you know, what was going on that day, and then
Speaker 1: sometimes I really remember the plot and sometimes I don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that was early too two.
Speaker 2: It's true, and.
Speaker 1: In my mind I thought that we had just to
Speaker 1: throw in season one, which is he also plays a writer,
Speaker 1: which is so weird.
Speaker 2: What was going on with us?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she got cast again, Yes, as a writer.
Speaker 1: Though we shaved his hair. That was like, oh, just.
Speaker 2: Put some glasses on him.
Speaker 3: Now he's a different persons exactly.
Speaker 1: He's a different person, but he's adorable as both.
Speaker 3: He plays a.
Speaker 1: Slightly unlikable writer in each which is also interesting, you know,
Speaker 1: it is interesting. Like the first one, he's like super
Speaker 1: slick and he's just gotten like invited to parties and stuff.
Speaker 1: And she also gives the writer advice as someone who's
Speaker 1: a writer. Carry is obviously a writer, writer in the
Speaker 1: you know, thick of it in terms of Manhattan night life.
Speaker 1: And then this one she's giving him advice. He says,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in GQ. It's almost like the
Speaker 1: same part but different. It's interesting and it's the kind
Speaker 1: of thing and I, you know, certainly don't want to
Speaker 1: dwell on this, but we just did, you know, and
Speaker 1: just like that, and people got very obsessed with every
Speaker 1: little detail, very upset about every little detail. I'm like,
Speaker 1: back in the day, all kinds of stuff went on,
Speaker 1: that's right.
Speaker 2: You know, no one said anything. I don't know if
Speaker 2: anyone noticed.
Speaker 3: Probably not. I think I think we're in a new
Speaker 3: moment of people wanting to like be in on every
Speaker 3: single detail and wanting to have an opinion and.
Speaker 1: Yes and say their opinion and yeah, and they have
Speaker 1: a way to say it.
Speaker 3: Yes we did for yeah, there wasn't.
Speaker 1: I think this would have been the year two thousand.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's right? I think that's right, right,
Speaker 1: Which is I mean it seems like another lifetime ago.
Speaker 1: Things were so different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I was in my twenties.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, adorable, Like you're in your team,
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: I have such a babyface. Actually in your hair. I
Speaker 3: had forgotten what I looked like in it, and rewatched.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I look seventeen.
Speaker 1: You really do. But beautiful, so beautiful, and you seem
Speaker 1: sophisticated because you're sitting there with those people who are
Speaker 1: all like very New York and yeah, you know type thing.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: Anyway, back to the show. Back to the show. So
Speaker 1: this is a to me kind of a departure of
Speaker 1: a show. Yeah, Like there are certain things about it, like,
Speaker 1: for instance, the coffee shop. For some reason, we're all
Speaker 1: plastered next to each other.
Speaker 3: Did you notice this? Yes, our shoulders are literally.
Speaker 1: Like going on, I don't know. And then there's like
Speaker 1: a walk and talk where we're also like they're they're
Speaker 1: like like, anyway, that was interesting. I mean we're kind
Speaker 1: of finding our way in certain certain ways. And I
Speaker 1: think also in different directors would come, we were more
Speaker 1: affected by them and later on, yeah, you know, later
Speaker 1: on we just be like, no, this is this is.
Speaker 3: What we're doing. You had found your your own rhythm.
Speaker 1: And you're kind of confident, yes, within that. But it's
Speaker 1: also I found it especially in the coffee shop scene
Speaker 1: because now we do have our coffee shop set.
Speaker 2: In the beginning, we didn't.
Speaker 1: We're like out about in different places, right, so it's
Speaker 1: funny in the coffee shop, but we're like peppy, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That like really like energized repartee
Speaker 1: is in full force, which I really enjoyed. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was nice to see we seem happy, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: we were exhausted, but you know it has a lot
Speaker 1: of energy.
Speaker 3: Right, and it seems like you guys really enjoy each other.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, I know Sara Jessica seems super bubbly.
Speaker 1: And also I think it's very hot when I look
Speaker 1: at that what I remember, you know, there's like the
Speaker 1: very hot summers and then they not so hot summers,
Speaker 1: like medium. Her hair is like its natural self, you know,
Speaker 1: and she's just radiant, and I feel like we were
Speaker 1: all hot.
Speaker 3: But it was great, you know, it was a fun,
Speaker 3: fun hot I love that moment she bangs on the
Speaker 3: glass since I know.
Speaker 2: It's a classic. It's a classic.
Speaker 1: See that also snuck up on me because I think
Speaker 1: the way social media is now, you see these little
Speaker 1: snippets and you're like, yes, of course I remember that
Speaker 1: that was at the height. No, it's and I think
Speaker 1: that the theme of this episode, which is family is
Speaker 1: difficult and family is also your chosen who, which I
Speaker 1: love so much, And I had no idea that we
Speaker 1: had that theme really explicitly in there so early.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, that's kind of amazing.
Speaker 3: Well, and each of your individual storylines are I mean,
Speaker 3: you have your brother obviously, who is your real family,
Speaker 3: which is so strange. But there's also like the other
Speaker 3: women are like in these little transitional mind it's not
Speaker 3: people that are going to stay, which just like shines
Speaker 3: light on how special the four of you are.
Speaker 1: That's true, absolutely absolutely. Because my brother we never see
Speaker 1: or hear from him again, including my two weddings. I'm
Speaker 1: really sorry.
Speaker 3: I'm really sorry.
Speaker 1: He works a lot. He was on Ozark. He played
Speaker 1: it an evil, evil lawyer.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, there's my brother, my.
Speaker 1: Brother exactly. I mean, now that i'm rewatching, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to glom on any little details and to have my
Speaker 1: brother there in his like preppy shorts.
Speaker 2: It's very interesting. We did have an episode.
Speaker 1: Before where I talk about how in my waspy family
Speaker 1: we don't talk about feelings.
Speaker 2: We play tennis, which is kind of funny because.
Speaker 1: We've had a tennis storyline for Charlotte, like literally for
Speaker 1: thirty years, you know. So the brother comes, we'll just
Speaker 1: do this really quick because the brother's so weird, Like
Speaker 1: we never see any of Charlotte's other relatives, no parents, nothing, right,
Speaker 1: it's bizarre, bizarre. So the brother comes. He is getting
Speaker 1: divorced from his wife, and I tell you guys that
Speaker 1: he's coming to visit because he's getting to divorce. Yes,
Speaker 1: And everyone makes fun of me. I tell you guys,
Speaker 1: like you're in the scene, you're one of us now.
Speaker 1: And everyone makes fun of Wesley and Leslie, which is
Speaker 1: also like so preppy and funny, right, and very fine
Speaker 1: to make fun of. But of course Charlotte really is
Speaker 1: tired of getting made fun of at this point, jurning me,
Speaker 1: and so I make all kinds of faces at them,
Speaker 1: which is also funny. And then so and weirdly, I
Speaker 1: guess not weirdly, you know, Charlotte's very pro marriage as
Speaker 1: we know.
Speaker 3: As we know, and yeah, she really is committed to
Speaker 3: them getting back together, right, So, and she.
Speaker 1: Keeps kind of slightly irritatingly asking him like did you
Speaker 1: talk to Leslie? Did you talk to Leslie?
Speaker 2: How's Lesly?
Speaker 1: And he's like no, And then I do kind of
Speaker 1: love in the end, and this is what I do.
Speaker 1: I just synoped down when he says, you know, I
Speaker 1: believe he says I hadn't got late or whatever, which
Speaker 1: is a bit weird of a way to talk about
Speaker 1: your wife, but whatever in two years. And then Charlotte
Speaker 1: looks kind of horrified, yes, which is interesting, and then
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, okay, I understand. So he so basically
Speaker 1: what happens is that Samantha sleeps with my brother, which
Speaker 1: clearly Charlotte knows it's going to happen, which is why
Speaker 1: I don't invite Samantha. But then Carrie brings some.
Speaker 3: Merings her and you're horrified that she's there, and.
Speaker 1: Like awkward, like awkward and interesting. And also sometimes when
Speaker 1: I watch it, I can tell, you know, there's occasionally
Speaker 1: scenes with the three of them without me. I can
Speaker 1: tell that I'm like a newer friend, and there is
Speaker 1: a scene when we flash back to the eighties and
Speaker 1: all of them are together, and I'm because they hadn't
Speaker 1: met me yet. But we never explained that either. It's interesting,
Speaker 1: but I can feel that when I watch this episode
Speaker 1: because I pull carry over and I'm like, a, yeah, She's.
Speaker 3: Like that's Samantha our friends, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Which is that's really funny and interesting.
Speaker 1: But I did and then I mean my producers when
Speaker 1: they watched it, they were like, oh, you shouted her
Speaker 1: really harshly. The thing that I thought was so interesting
Speaker 1: about it, I mean, for Charlotte, it is harsh to
Speaker 1: say that, you know, she should be on like, you know,
Speaker 1: a guide book of New York because her you know,
Speaker 1: station is always open, so to speak that it is
Speaker 1: of course a harsh thing for Charlotte to say. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The thing that I find interesting is the way Samantha
Speaker 1: talks about sex and herself. I mean not in a
Speaker 1: derogatory way, but just in a very free way. It's
Speaker 1: interesting that then she would take offense to me, yes,
Speaker 1: saying that, But then I guess that also is kind
Speaker 1: of true, like sometimes if.
Speaker 3: You say something about yourself, yes, you can talk about
Speaker 3: yourself in ways that you don't want other people to
Speaker 3: talk about you. And what seemed to be true in
Speaker 3: that scene is that where Samantha is very comfortable talking
Speaker 3: about sex in that way Charlotte, it felt like new
Speaker 3: ground for Charlotte to be so direct to her friend,
Speaker 3: you know, and so that that felt like that was.
Speaker 1: Where those definitely definitely I would never say anything like
Speaker 1: that right my girlfriends, and I saw something recently about
Speaker 1: I do feel like one of the joys of when
Speaker 1: I compare things now to things back then is that
Speaker 1: female friendship, I feel like is much more honored and
Speaker 1: kind of discussed and you know, prioritized now as opposed
Speaker 1: to back then. Back then, they say like, how did
Speaker 1: you know you guys spend so much time together and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, which, of course, obviously yes, obviously they
Speaker 1: were young and somehow had a lot of time spending to.
Speaker 3: Get through which people do.
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember spending a lot of time with
Speaker 1: my girlfriends in my thirties. But I also think that
Speaker 1: now people talk about it and talk about how important
Speaker 1: it is, and that you know, like to nurture friendships,
Speaker 1: you know, through your life and through the different phases
Speaker 1: of your life is so important, and I think that's
Speaker 1: so incredibly true. And I also think it's so incredibly
Speaker 1: risky to say something to your girlfriend sure that you
Speaker 1: know they wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Like, and that can be the end of a friendship.
Speaker 2: It really could.
Speaker 3: Depending on who you say that to, that could be
Speaker 3: like game over.
Speaker 1: I know, which is so sad, I know, But I
Speaker 1: also think it's so interesting because I think that women,
Speaker 1: you know, have to kind of like I think, on
Speaker 1: the one hand, there's this kind of perception of like, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: women just hang out in groups, you know, like it's
Speaker 1: like kind of silly or whatever, but then in reality,
Speaker 1: we all know that it's not really that easy.
Speaker 3: Yes, it can be tricky wrighting out with women, and
Speaker 3: then you find your women who are like your people, right,
Speaker 3: and then it's like those are the most supportive, wonderful.
Speaker 1: Relationships, absolutely and so important.
Speaker 3: But female relationships can be really tricky.
Speaker 1: Right, And I think it's because it's not I don't
Speaker 1: think it's something for my generation at least that was
Speaker 1: kind of like worked on or encouraged, like you weren't
Speaker 1: really taught how to be friends. I mean, like it
Speaker 1: does come easy when you're young, but then I think
Speaker 1: as you go through the different stages, it's not so easy.
Speaker 1: And certainly as an actor, I know that one of
Speaker 1: the joys of getting the show was that there were
Speaker 1: a bunch of women in around that you could that
Speaker 1: you knew, Okay, we're all in this together, rather than
Speaker 1: being the wife or the girlfriend or like you might
Speaker 1: see another woman after.
Speaker 2: But you'd be like, oh, there they go.
Speaker 1: You know, you might not get a scene with them, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, have you found that in your career?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I spent a lot of time with guys, right,
Speaker 3: because you cops and like, I'm serious people. I know,
Speaker 3: I get cast as like little toughies, which is so funny,
Speaker 3: it's so silly, you know.
Speaker 1: I'm envious, though, I'm very envious.
Speaker 3: It's fun getting to do I mean for everyone. Obviously
Speaker 3: getting to do a balance of things is obviously of course,
Speaker 3: you know, but yeah, I've gotten cast in lots of
Speaker 3: movies where it's like a bunch of tough dudes. I mean,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, they're great, you know, they're but also
Speaker 3: like it does feel lonely sometimes to be like, oh where.
Speaker 1: Are my Yeah, yeah, I think it's really lonely. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love to be on the set with all the girls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh I.
Speaker 2: Love nothing more. Yeah, nothing more.
Speaker 1: I mean, the guys are fun, but like it's comfy
Speaker 1: to have the girls. Yeah, it's definitely comfy. That's yeah.
Speaker 1: It's one of the best best parts of this whole, whole, whole, long, long,
Speaker 1: long term job that I've had. I love it so much.
Speaker 1: And that's really why I never wanted to end, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's hard to find that.
Speaker 3: It is very hard to find those special groups. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so you stay friends with whatever, and that's.
Speaker 1: The joy, is it? Like with Matthew and your husband, Allan,
Speaker 1: they you know, it's amazing to get to meet someone
Speaker 1: so early in your career and stay friends and get
Speaker 1: to work together again. That is just the best. Yeah. Anyway, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's go back to the show. Okay, this makes me laugh.
Speaker 1: I do not remember the storyline of Miranda, not for
Speaker 1: one second watching it fresh. In the storyline, she is
Speaker 1: at the gym, which is also kind of funny to me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, do we see her at the gym?
Speaker 1: No, not really, So so Miranda is interestingly at a
Speaker 1: very popular and busy New York City gym, and she's
Speaker 1: there on the weekend, which is apparently kids weekend. I've
Speaker 1: never gone to a gym.
Speaker 3: And had children running around, no way, I mean, very interesting.
Speaker 1: I would have to ask Terry Minsky who wrote this,
Speaker 1: like if this was based on something, because that was
Speaker 1: a rule that they had they had had to read. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I guess I guess there were some gyms this
Speaker 1: was happy. I didn't go to those gyms either. So
Speaker 1: there's like children running amok okay basically at this gym.
Speaker 1: So then she's all kind of rolling her eyes in
Speaker 1: her Miranda way. She looks adorable, you know, like it's
Speaker 1: just so cute, early Miranda. And then she gets in
Speaker 1: the elevator and there's this very handsome dad there with
Speaker 1: a kid who wants to push the buttons of the elevator.
Speaker 1: We've all been there, yes, I have a seven year old.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a situation. And I felt so kind
Speaker 1: of seen on the one hand by the storyline, but
Speaker 1: also embarrassed because I have been the parents saying please,
Speaker 1: don't don't.
Speaker 3: Touch the butt, could you let Yeah? And then of
Speaker 3: course they touched. Sofying.
Speaker 2: What is that about with children?
Speaker 1: It's so interesting, so interesting. So anyway that the dad
Speaker 1: asks Miranda not to push the buttons, and the kid
Speaker 1: then pushes all the buttons and then the dad apologize
Speaker 1: and the dad, it's very adorable, and does find a
Speaker 1: way to mention that he's divorced, which I thought was
Speaker 1: really smooth on his part.
Speaker 3: Yes, and then you can.
Speaker 1: See Miranda kind of look at him twice like oh interesting.
Speaker 2: So then he asks her.
Speaker 1: She gets out of the elevator and he asks her
Speaker 1: to come back in and she does, which is so cute, adorable,
Speaker 1: very cute, very New York kind of a thing.
Speaker 2: But the kid.
Speaker 1: I felt for the kid because literally, this man is
Speaker 1: seems relatively newly divorced. We don't hear his whole story.
Speaker 3: But you can feel that he's still figuring out what
Speaker 3: that looks like and how to do it right.
Speaker 1: And I mean sometimes as the episode went on, I wondered, like,
Speaker 1: where is this mother because apparently she's just not around
Speaker 1: because he's got this kid a lot. But also as
Speaker 1: a single mom, I also really relate. Now I have
Speaker 1: never taken my children with me on a date because
Speaker 1: I never really would. No, I mean, it is like
Speaker 1: a park later, right, what do you think?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like months later if it's going well, right, you know, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: on the first date, stroll in the park.
Speaker 1: With the kid, with the kid, I know, yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: But I I also feel this is probably not nice
Speaker 1: where I'm going to say, But sometimes I feel like
Speaker 1: dads are clueless. Maybe that's true, Like I see dad's
Speaker 1: at the park sometimes, but sometimes I'm just like, what
Speaker 1: is this dad doing?
Speaker 2: Like can a mom tell the dad, like, don't let
Speaker 2: the kid do that?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I have some anxiety for the dad.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, case in point. I mean, the boy clabbers
Speaker 3: Miranda over the head with a branch and then isn't disciplined.
Speaker 1: No, no, I know it.
Speaker 2: Dad doesn't seem no to know what to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Miranda, I know it.
Speaker 1: She gets clabbed, I know, with a pretty big stick
Speaker 1: in Central Park and that's before he hands are a worm.
Speaker 1: I believe. Yes, I mean there's a lot going on, yes,
Speaker 1: and Miranda hangs in there, which is also kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: But I also feel like it's like early Miranda is different.
Speaker 2: She's sweet.
Speaker 1: I mean, she has her cover, but she's also got
Speaker 1: like a sweetness.
Speaker 3: Yes she does.
Speaker 1: It's adorable, But this guy does seem kind of clueless,
Speaker 1: you know, dad, but he's really cute. And at a
Speaker 1: certain point they do cut to them in bed and
Speaker 1: they look very happy.
Speaker 3: Yes, it seems like.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, so I guess maybe that's what she's doing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but this also cracked me up. When
Speaker 1: after we first meet the guy whose name I can't
Speaker 1: remember because he's not going to be around long so
Speaker 1: we don't have to use his name, they cut to
Speaker 1: us at the coffee shop and Miranda is talking about
Speaker 1: how his name is Roger, and Miranda's talking about because
Speaker 1: he's divorced, he seems use. Isn't that a weird thing?
Speaker 3: It's a weird thing to say, No, that's true. I
Speaker 3: thought that conversation was. Yeah, it was a little funny,
Speaker 3: it was a little odd.
Speaker 2: It's dated. It didn't hold so much dated.
Speaker 3: No, it is. We would never say that now, absolutely,
Speaker 3: Not just because somebody has been married. I mean you
Speaker 3: could also say that anyone who has been in a
Speaker 3: long term relationship.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's fine with me.
Speaker 3: That anyone's been in a long term relationship is used. Right,
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 1: No, it's horrible and insane, right, there'd be no one left.
Speaker 3: That's right, because everybody comes with the context yes, right, yes,
Speaker 3: unless you're eighteen.
Speaker 2: Years old, like right, and who would want to be
Speaker 2: doing that?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I really was like when when they because
Speaker 1: they kind of smashed cut into her, going like it's
Speaker 1: like he's used, and I thought, what is she talking about?
Speaker 1: Like I had to really catch up a minute, like
Speaker 1: we would. I don't think we'd ever say that now,
Speaker 1: No way, no way, right, yeah, like you'd just be
Speaker 1: very out of touch if you said that. That's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was interesting.
Speaker 2: That whole conversation was interesting.
Speaker 1: But this is why I like to rewatch, because some
Speaker 1: things you're like, oh, whoa, and then sometimes you're like,
Speaker 1: that's that's so true. Yeah yeah, And I do think
Speaker 1: trying to to juggle children and dating is of course
Speaker 1: universal and will probably continue for all of the time.
Speaker 2: And it's a real thing. I mean, this guy's just
Speaker 2: not very good at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also I feel bad for this kid because he
Speaker 1: seems like he's really suffering that he he seems jealous of.
Speaker 3: That conversation that right, yeah right, I mean maybe there's
Speaker 3: a clue in the fact that this guy says I'm
Speaker 3: the anomaly. Actually, I just like to be married and yeah, right,
Speaker 3: and so maybe he's just like actually trying to slot
Speaker 3: Miranda into this family dynamic faster than race.
Speaker 2: That's a good point.
Speaker 1: I didn't think of that, Yeah, because that is really
Speaker 1: odd that he says that. And I mean, I just
Speaker 1: found myself wondering, like, what is this dude's backstory, what happened,
Speaker 1: what happened.
Speaker 2: To the marriage, where's the wife, what's going on? Where's
Speaker 2: ex wife? How long have you been divorced?
Speaker 1: I wanted to know more about him than I normally
Speaker 1: want to know about our art, like one pole.
Speaker 3: Also, we have quite gotten there, but his reaction in
Speaker 3: the next scenes where the boy, I don't know if
Speaker 3: you want to do recare for it.
Speaker 2: Because I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: So it's after you know, she spent the night and
Speaker 3: Miranda's having a pee and the little boy starts to
Speaker 3: come in the bathroom and of course she goes to
Speaker 3: close the door and he gets his head bonked, and
Speaker 3: then there's like a real overreaction I feel like on
Speaker 3: the dad's Yeah, and basically Miranda just gets like shown
Speaker 3: the door.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, he says please leave. He says it a
Speaker 1: couple of times. This is one thing I do remember
Speaker 1: of that episode is that there was a lot of
Speaker 1: discussion about his wound. The kids would because when you
Speaker 1: see it, it's bloody. Why did that door make that blood?
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, And I'm saying like it's mysterious, yes,
Speaker 1: And I remember there being a fair amount I don't
Speaker 1: know at that point in time of our production, like
Speaker 1: how sophisticated our stuff was, Duran whenever you have somebody
Speaker 1: get bumped or get banged or anything like that, because
Speaker 1: we don't see him, we just hear it, right, and
Speaker 1: then cut to there's yeah, you know, which is strange.
Speaker 1: But I also felt like if we did know more
Speaker 1: about the dad, I mean, I've certainly overreacted before.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, of course I have two kids. I've definitely overreacted, right.
Speaker 1: But it's also weird how like the kid kind of
Speaker 1: looks at her over the show like there's something kind
Speaker 1: of going on where you're like, he just wanted her
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 3: Because Miranda, I know, I'm poor the kid, I'm poor
Speaker 3: the kid, everybody for everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's kind of sad because then we really
Speaker 2: don't hear that much.
Speaker 1: It's just gone, But you know, good that she tried,
Speaker 1: I guess, but also that's like another show. I feel
Speaker 1: like that is his own show.
Speaker 3: I wonder how which which season does Miranda get her
Speaker 3: own child. That's not it's for a while, it's a while,
Speaker 3: But I feel like that was a little like just
Speaker 3: early Crumb.
Speaker 1: Because I was thinking the same thing when I was
Speaker 1: watching it, because I do know at a certain point
Speaker 1: season three is when I meet Kyle and get married
Speaker 1: and then start to try to get pregnant, and then
Speaker 1: she gets pregnant by mistake. So it's not that long.
Speaker 1: It's because we're almost at the end of two. But
Speaker 1: I don't know because this is Terry Minsky's script and
Speaker 1: she wasn't with us all the time, and it was
Speaker 1: definitely like a long term plan that Michael had that
Speaker 1: both Miranda and Charlotte would get pregnant at the same time.
Speaker 1: That was the original plan. Okay, it didn't work out
Speaker 1: because then Michael decided, probably rightly so, that because all
Speaker 1: of our female writers were single, and none of our
Speaker 1: guy writers, who I think there were two of them
Speaker 1: at that time, no one had children, so they were
Speaker 1: having to mine their friends' stories and they didn't have
Speaker 1: enough to have two sets of stories because they wanted
Speaker 1: them to be contrasting stories which would be interesting but
Speaker 1: not as interesting as Charlotte not being able to and
Speaker 1: Miranda accidentally and then being unsure and all.
Speaker 3: Of the No, It's part of what I just love
Speaker 3: about the show is that if each of these women's
Speaker 3: expectations of what their life is going to be gets
Speaker 3: flipped on its head, yep, and so they're having to
Speaker 3: manage like their own expectations of what their life has become. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's powerful.
Speaker 1: It is powerful and so true to life. You know,
Speaker 1: someone asked me yesterday, I don't know if you get
Speaker 1: questions like this. You're not as old as I am,
Speaker 1: but people love to ask you about eighteen right. You know,
Speaker 1: how how are you looking at aging? How do you
Speaker 1: how do you feel? How old do you feel inside?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: All the questions right, And I mean I.
Speaker 1: Feel very young inside. I feel like forty maybe, or it's.
Speaker 3: Hard about the number, right, you know whatever. Some days,
Speaker 3: like my husband, who I won't say his name, but
Speaker 3: like he's like when he looks at his own age,
Speaker 3: his eyes get real big and he's like, how is
Speaker 3: it literally possible? I still feel eighteen?
Speaker 2: Right, Oh, I don't know. I don't personally know how
Speaker 2: it's possible.
Speaker 1: For me either. I mean you have to look sometimes
Speaker 1: at your driver's license to be like, you're like, that
Speaker 1: is mean, it doesn't just happen at all, totally totally,
Speaker 1: but I think that is a blessing, right, because what
Speaker 1: does it really even mean? That's I'm true the good
Speaker 1: news of what it means. And this is what I
Speaker 1: end up saying. I mean, I think it means two things.
Speaker 1: Number One, we're doing great. Yeah, we're hoping, we're happy, right,
Speaker 1: we're still in it, We're sort of functioning, we're doing
Speaker 1: new things, right, this is great, this is what you want.
Speaker 2: Secondarily, I remember.
Speaker 1: A lot of anxiety in my thirties, right, so I
Speaker 1: don't have that anymore yet. And some of it is
Speaker 1: what you touched on about our characters is that you
Speaker 1: you you have expectations, you don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: You don't know if you're on the right.
Speaker 1: Track towards those expectations, or maybe you need to change
Speaker 1: your expectations, or you know, there's so many questions like
Speaker 1: is it all going to work it out?
Speaker 3: And what do I need to do to tick the
Speaker 3: boxes right equals happiness.
Speaker 1: Right, and in reality, you know, none of that is
Speaker 1: probably even really true. And that's what I love so
Speaker 1: much about our writers. I mean, some of it's true.
Speaker 1: Like did Charlotte truly want to be married?
Speaker 3: She did? She did? Or she she really wanted the
Speaker 3: idea of what that was.
Speaker 1: She did, and then she found out that the outer
Speaker 1: idea was not what she wanted, right, and then she
Speaker 1: found her real, her real thank god, thank god, she
Speaker 1: was able to change and grow. And that was their idea.
Speaker 1: And the idea also was to never give any of
Speaker 1: us what we wanted, because you don't have a show.
Speaker 2: Then, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I am lucky that Charlotte got Harry. I guess I
Speaker 1: should be, you know, lucky that like nothing happened to
Speaker 1: him or whatever, thank god, because it was such a
Speaker 1: growth I think for Charlotte, and that what I like
Speaker 1: about her. She's super persistent, right, So she was going
Speaker 1: to pursue, going to pursue, no matter what the roadblocks were, right,
Speaker 1: Like she couldn't get pregnant, she was going to adopt.
Speaker 1: Then she does get pregnant, She's going to roll with it.
Speaker 1: She's going to roll with it, and I love that
Speaker 1: effort that she makes. But I also think that her
Speaker 1: ability to roll with it, you know, brings her depth
Speaker 1: and wisdom and changes her focus.
Speaker 2: Though sometimes she drifts back.
Speaker 1: Which is also so interesting, like you'll drift back to
Speaker 1: the details.
Speaker 3: So the things that are the most kind of comfortable
Speaker 3: and from the.
Speaker 1: Way you grew up or whatever it is totally or
Speaker 1: like the expectations, like you started by saying, you'll drift
Speaker 1: back to those expectations and then be reminded again, Oh no,
Speaker 1: that's not it's not actually life. It's not actually what's important,
Speaker 1: which I love. I love. I can't talk about the
Speaker 1: others expectations as much as I can talk about Charlotte's right, right, right,
Speaker 1: and I love hers, and I had to think through hers,
Speaker 1: you know, for so long, which you know is a joy,
Speaker 1: right obviously, like a great character thing. But it's interesting
Speaker 1: too because if you think about, like, you know, Carrie's
Speaker 1: expectations are interesting. And one of the things I think
Speaker 1: about when I do, I think because our show ended,
Speaker 1: and everyone had to talk about how and just like
Speaker 1: that ended, versus how Sex and the City ended, because
Speaker 1: people were upset obviously when Sex and City the first
Speaker 1: show ended because everyone was coupled up and they didn't
Speaker 1: feel like that rang true. But sometimes when I'm watching
Speaker 1: old episodes, it kind of seems like everyone but Samantha
Speaker 1: wants to be coupled up, like even Miranda, who I
Speaker 1: had never.
Speaker 3: Clocked, right because she seems like such a like.
Speaker 4: A driven career woman, right, But I mean, yeah, everyone
Speaker 4: wants somebody, right, and companionship, yes, and right, and to
Speaker 4: see everybody maybe to be seen definitely.
Speaker 1: I mean Samantha definitely wants to be sure, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't really want a relationship, right.
Speaker 2: But then she gets with then she gets coming.
Speaker 3: But that, yeah, that's like her flip is that she
Speaker 3: actually wants to keep it easy, breezy, short term, right,
Speaker 3: and she gets this long term relationship with a younger man,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, and then has to deal with cancer
Speaker 3: and all of right, you know.
Speaker 1: And he's there for her. He's such a sweet way.
Speaker 1: That's going to be so interesting. I want to have that.
Speaker 1: Jason Smith on he's so good, you guys, this is
Speaker 1: so much fun that we're going to have to have
Speaker 1: a part two, so join us later in the week
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