WEBVTT - Ep. 413: Render - Boots, Bucks, and Willard the Mule

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Clay nukelemb And.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a production of the bear Grease podcast called

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<v Speaker 2>The bear Grease Rendered, where we render down, dive deeper,

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<v Speaker 2>and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>presented by f h F Gear, American Maid, purpose built

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<v Speaker 2>hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged

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<v Speaker 2>as the place as we explore.

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<v Speaker 1>Well today is We've got.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of ground to cover. I'm very excited about

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<v Speaker 2>all the things we're going to talk about. I'm mainly

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<v Speaker 2>excited about having Misty Neukomb back on the podcast after.

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<v Speaker 1>A long time.

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<v Speaker 3>You have fired.

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<v Speaker 2>While there's a lot of rumors that go around that

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<v Speaker 2>people get fired from the Render, only like four people.

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<v Speaker 1>Have ever been fired from the Render. I'm just kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a joke. No one laughed. No one's ever

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<v Speaker 1>been fired.

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<v Speaker 3>I was curious enough I was one of them that yet.

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<v Speaker 1>No one's ever been fired for the Render.

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<v Speaker 2>Just just people come in and out of availability. People

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<v Speaker 2>things happen, and they just I mean, like Malachi Nichols.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet most people don't even remember maybe who Malachi was,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was an original render cast member and he

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<v Speaker 2>was with us.

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<v Speaker 3>And one on one of the very early Bear Grease episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I mean basically like just his job and

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<v Speaker 2>the amount of time it took to come down in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>He just couldn't come.

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<v Speaker 2>So Misty's not been fired, she's just been busy, she's

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<v Speaker 2>been doing stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So great to have you back. We got to have

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<v Speaker 1>Gary the Believer of Nu comeback on sometime as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I thought he got fired.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Dad may have been fired, but we'll rehire him. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>we got Josh, We've got Bear John here. But in

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<v Speaker 2>the toa Covi's hot Seat you have, we have a

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<v Speaker 2>new new delineation that we're gonna put all our special

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<v Speaker 2>guests in, which is what we're gonna call the toa

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<v Speaker 2>Covi's hot Seat. And in case you don't know, I

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<v Speaker 2>wear I wear Ta Covi's every single day of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>John Mesco, my dad's the Believers, one of my belie

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<v Speaker 2>the Believer's best friends, John Mesco. All as a kid,

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<v Speaker 2>John Mesco wore cowboy boots and I remember him telling

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<v Speaker 2>me that cowboy boots are the most comfortable shoes in

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<v Speaker 2>the world if you if you break them in, and

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<v Speaker 2>I find that to be true. My feet get claustrophobic

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<v Speaker 2>when I tie shoes. I mean I can pop these

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<v Speaker 2>shoes off and not even break eye contact, and I

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<v Speaker 2>can put them back on.

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<v Speaker 3>Break like in case you need to get in bed

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<v Speaker 3>in a hurry.

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<v Speaker 2>Or I mean, I just I just I'm a boot man.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why I'm very proud that to Covis Cove's

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<v Speaker 2>Boots at Austin, Texas is our new They're they're coming

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<v Speaker 2>along on the Bear Grease road Show with us. And

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<v Speaker 2>so we have a chair now for our special guest.

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<v Speaker 2>And my friend Michael Lanier is in the to Coves

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<v Speaker 2>hot seat tonight. And if you're listening to not watching,

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<v Speaker 2>you would see that this rock and chair actually has

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<v Speaker 2>a pair of to Covis boots on it.

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<v Speaker 1>YEA, so impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>SOI, Michael Michael has been introduced many times as my

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<v Speaker 2>Jedi master squirrel sensey.

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<v Speaker 4>That is that the title you most like appreciate? Is that,

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<v Speaker 4>like on your business card is a top of the list.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Actually, the our office lady got me business a

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<v Speaker 5>business card holder with a squirrel coming out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, wow, so you're an electrician by trade, but

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<v Speaker 2>but Michael Michael helped me get into the squirrel world,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he's still he's he's my.

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<v Speaker 1>Jedi master Squirrel.

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<v Speaker 6>Sin say, I wonder if we should clarify what the

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<v Speaker 6>squirrel world that you've you've gotten into is.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's real clear a squirrel has a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of value to me and Michael when it's being treed

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<v Speaker 2>by a dog.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody the other day asked me. They said something about

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<v Speaker 2>going squirrel hunting, and I was like, you bet, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were like, yeah, we'll take some Scope twenty twos

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<v Speaker 2>and just kind of slip hunt around. And I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of looked at him and I was kind of like, dang, man,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I don't I probably can't go, I was,

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<v Speaker 2>I was, I'm double booked, Like a squirrel has value

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<v Speaker 2>to me, was being treated by a dog. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I value the life of the squirrel and his nobility

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<v Speaker 2>and wild places. But when he's in my hand, it

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<v Speaker 2>only means something if he's been treated by a dog.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, Sin say, yes, yeah, so big squirrel dog man.

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<v Speaker 2>Now right now, tell me about your dog situation right

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<v Speaker 2>now though, Michael, it's pretty bleak.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, got two young dogs at the house, haven't hardly

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<v Speaker 5>hunted on them. There'll be a year old this spring.

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<v Speaker 5>They're barking at yard squirrels and that's about all they know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you go through a lot of squirrel dogs. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you sell.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Michael's one of these guys, like I've known

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<v Speaker 2>him to sell a dog, but I've also known him

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<v Speaker 2>to just kind of hand him off to people.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't mind giving a dog away to a friend

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<v Speaker 5>if I you know that I get to hunt with

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<v Speaker 5>later on.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that I could keep you in business

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<v Speaker 2>with the amount of people coming to me and Bear

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<v Speaker 2>looking for squirrel dogs.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I don't, I'm out. Yeah, I already have a

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<v Speaker 5>long line and yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, just check it, just check it out.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, well another failed business adventure, chucks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well we're going to talk on this episode about mules.

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<v Speaker 2>This is this is the mule episode. But before we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about mules, there's many things we've got to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, in mid February, there is this is

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<v Speaker 2>a massive announcement. In mid February, Bear John Newcomb is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the primary host of a new YouTube channel,

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<v Speaker 2>What Yes, So so what was formerly known as the

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<v Speaker 2>Bear Hunting Magazine YouTube channel is going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>Bear Grease YouTube channel, and we're going to produce weekly content.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be a whole lot of bear going out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be YouTube native content. Bears been gathering content

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<v Speaker 2>for six months. Uh what what what's some of the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that'll be on the on the on the channel Bear.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, we've got we've got some squirrel, We've got some

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of self bow hunts. We've got an elk hunt,

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of bow making content. Uh, We've got a

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<v Speaker 7>hawk trapping and training video. I went with my buddy

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<v Speaker 7>to South Texas and we trapped hawks and then trained

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<v Speaker 7>them to hunt. Uh so yeah, a lot of up front,

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<v Speaker 7>we're gonna have a lot of hunts, a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>self bow stuff. But as we go it'll get it'll

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<v Speaker 7>get more and more diverse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's gonna be super exciting for Barry and I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be on the channel some too. Uh, Brent will be

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<v Speaker 2>as well. It's gonna be all things bear Grease, but

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<v Speaker 2>like in a U tube style channel. So it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be really great.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, it's going to be good. Anything you want

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<v Speaker 2>to say about that, missy.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Okay, moving on.

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned last week their last render that I killed

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<v Speaker 2>a big buck and this is him.

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<v Speaker 3>That thing is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mentioned it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I just had I had to, I had

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<v Speaker 2>to show it off. Yeah, this is Jimney Christmas. Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas showed up on Christmas Day and uh, hunting over.

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<v Speaker 2>I was nott in Oklahoma and uh hunting over supplemental

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<v Speaker 2>feed showed up on Christmas Day.

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<v Speaker 1>Never seen the buck before.

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<v Speaker 2>In my life, and uh it's both season over there

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<v Speaker 2>till January fifteenth, and uh, man, big deer are are

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<v Speaker 2>hard to kill over feet. I don't care who you are.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've never done it, you just don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>hard they are to kill her feed because you've you've

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<v Speaker 2>concentrated all the activity to one spot and the deer

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<v Speaker 2>super leerous stuff like that. And anyway, this deer showed

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<v Speaker 2>up and he was very sporadic. He only came in

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<v Speaker 2>like two times during the daytime when I wasn't there,

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<v Speaker 2>and but I hunted him for a total I think

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<v Speaker 2>of four and a half days. And on this place

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<v Speaker 2>be hunt in Oklahoma. When I go down there, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to camp and it's it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a cool place. But this deer has.

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<v Speaker 2>This time right here, is fourteen and six eight inches long,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a really big time just for a deer.

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<v Speaker 2>He's only fourteen and a half inches wide though, so

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<v Speaker 2>he's really narrow.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an impressive rack. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>What did he score? Scored one sixty two and six saints.

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<v Speaker 2>We we actually thought he would score one seventy like me,

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<v Speaker 2>looks like a well just in pictures and video, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't a mass. He wasn't a big body deer

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<v Speaker 2>like when you're judging deer off trail camera pictures, like

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<v Speaker 2>if the deer's in Kansas or if you if you

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<v Speaker 2>know that, oh that's a two hundred and twenty pound

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<v Speaker 2>deer and his rack still looks that big? You know

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<v Speaker 2>you would, right this deer on a two hundred fifty

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<v Speaker 2>pound deer, would this rack on two hund fifty pound

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<v Speaker 2>deer would look entirely different than this rack on one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty to one hundred and seventy pound deer.

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<v Speaker 4>It's basically the opposite of people on TV. The camera

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<v Speaker 4>subtracts ten pounds. Is that what you're trying to say?

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<v Speaker 4>On a on a trail cam. When you look at

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<v Speaker 4>a deer, camera subtracts ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Pounds, camera adds ten pounds ten ten inches, okay in

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<v Speaker 2>this case?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So so we knew. My friend Forrest Teeter, who's the

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<v Speaker 2>one who named him Jimminy Christmas. I take to him

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, Jiminy Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>He about nailed it. I was a little lad.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a little upset with him because he was

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<v Speaker 2>under he said, he's I said, what do you think

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<v Speaker 2>that deer scores? And he said one fifty eight? And

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<v Speaker 2>I was just like, Forrest.

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<v Speaker 1>Bigger than that. My friend Jordan bliss It, who's very

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<v Speaker 1>good white tail man.

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<v Speaker 3>What did Jordan say?

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan had him figured it between one fifty five and

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<v Speaker 2>one sixty eight that broad range, I mean three inches

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<v Speaker 2>is that that broad I thought I was already I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm sorry, one sixty five and one one sixty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was.

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<v Speaker 2>But I kind of talked Jordan into I mean, by

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<v Speaker 2>the time it was done, we were like, man, that

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<v Speaker 2>deer probably score one seventy. I said it to several

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<v Speaker 2>guys that were like, that's one hundred and seventy inch.

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<v Speaker 2>Year and I was like, I think it is. And uh,

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<v Speaker 2>when I the first when I measure, I knew the

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<v Speaker 2>by the first measurement, I would know if it was

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<v Speaker 2>going to score one seventy. When I measured that main beam,

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<v Speaker 2>if that main beam was over twenty five inches, I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like it was going to score one seventy. And

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<v Speaker 2>the first main beam that I measured was twenty three

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<v Speaker 2>and six egs or something, and I kind of went,

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<v Speaker 2>I bet he won't score it. But it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>it matters. This is this is the biggest deer I've

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<v Speaker 2>killed in nineteen years. And just I mean, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, just ecstatic. What a killing a big deer

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<v Speaker 2>that you're hunting and after and just means something to you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty astonishing the way it makes you feel. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand it. I still don't understand it. I'm forty

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<v Speaker 2>six years old. I don't understand it. But it was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 3>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there's that buck yep.

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<v Speaker 2>So that brings up the next thing we've got to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about is Michael and Air texted me the other day.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael's also a.

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<v Speaker 2>Mule man squirrel dog man, but a muleman as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, what do you think my mule.

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<v Speaker 1>Willard is worth? Oh, that's a trick question, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well it's that you could offend somebody.

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<v Speaker 6>It's kind of like, Michael.

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<v Speaker 1>What if I had come back and said, oh, he's Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>that that mule's worth seventy five hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 6>Are you still friends?

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<v Speaker 5>We're still friends, but I don't believe him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it would have been offensive. So I never answered Michael.

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<v Speaker 5>I just said I noticed that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because just like Forrest Teeters shorted me four inches

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<v Speaker 2>and I just assumed that that meant he didn't like

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<v Speaker 2>me as a man. This is what I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to say to you, and I wanted to have this

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<v Speaker 2>conversation in person. Is that what a mule's worth and

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<v Speaker 2>what you can actually get for it are two very

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<v Speaker 2>different and things because in some markets, like if you

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<v Speaker 2>had the choice of markets, I would say there's a

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<v Speaker 2>day when that mule would bring twenty grand And you

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<v Speaker 2>might say there's a day that he would bring thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>But I say there's also a day most days he

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<v Speaker 2>might bring less than that. It's all about the market,

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<v Speaker 2>like if you're if the market is just people like

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<v Speaker 2>right here, within an hour and a half of us,

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<v Speaker 2>it's less. If the market is America, it's more. But

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<v Speaker 2>how do you reach America?

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<v Speaker 5>So what market are we on today?

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<v Speaker 1>We're in the American market.

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<v Speaker 5>Perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>What you guys don't know yet is we're actually going

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<v Speaker 2>to bring Willard in here in a minute and we're look,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to auction them off. But tell me what

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<v Speaker 2>what do you what do you think he's worth?

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<v Speaker 1>Tell us about give us his stats.

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<v Speaker 5>I got a number in my head that I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 5>take any less for him. I'd just keep him. Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I like him. He's a fourteen three nine years old

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<v Speaker 5>horse mule, John mule mail, got a lot of gold,

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<v Speaker 5>good and rough country. You can shoot off of him.

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<v Speaker 5>Dogs can crawl all over him. They don't bother him.

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<v Speaker 1>Carry a hog yep, real pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a Palomino mules really well muscled out, vice good

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<v Speaker 2>good fee.

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<v Speaker 1>Fourteen to three men.

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<v Speaker 2>So a hand is four inches and so fourteen three

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<v Speaker 2>is I like fifty seven inches or something?

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<v Speaker 1>I can't I can't do the math. Fifty nine is

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<v Speaker 1>it fifty nine?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's it's it's in the the prime height

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<v Speaker 2>for a mule. For selling in today's market is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be between fourteen to two and fifteen maybe fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>to one. Sometimes out west they want to mule a

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<v Speaker 2>little taller. Around here, they've don't as much. I would

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<v Speaker 2>say fourteen three is like primo height. I'd tell you

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen to two you think a little tall? No, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean he's I like him, but I'd say fourteen to two.

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<v Speaker 2>If you were to ask most folks they'd say, I

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<v Speaker 2>like that hot here, okay, or maybe that's just me, but.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, how long have you had him?

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<v Speaker 5>Three? Four years? Maybe three?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'd have to go back and look at some pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a really sharp looking mule.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah greatly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well are you gonna tell us what you want for

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<v Speaker 2>the mule? Yeah, well I'll tell you what. Let's let's

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and bring him in and uh and then

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<v Speaker 2>and then we'll we'll talk about it. So let's go

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<v Speaker 2>get him. Okay, don't let tebo run between his legs. Okay, Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>give us a tell us about this mule.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, he's fourteen three nine years old horse mule, John mule.

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<v Speaker 5>You can shoot off of him, dogs, don't bother him.

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<v Speaker 5>Backs out of the trailer. Good, got a good stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Safe.

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<v Speaker 5>He's safe, but he's got a lot of go. Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>he's he's ready to go. I wouldn't put Grandma on

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<v Speaker 5>him at all.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got a really beautiful confirmation, like top end confirmation

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<v Speaker 2>he's got. He's got a nice small head. Sometimes the

0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.119
<v Speaker 2>mules get really big heads. He's kind of got a

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<v Speaker 2>head like a horse. He's that palamino color which is

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<v Speaker 2>really sought after. And uh just just got like good

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<v Speaker 2>muscle tone, big shoulders, nice withers. So the withers is

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<v Speaker 2>the the basically the top of the shoulder right there,

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<v Speaker 2>and mules typically have small shoulders and no weathers, so

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<v Speaker 2>the saddle slides forward. I'd say he's got really good

0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.639
<v Speaker 2>withers and so you're gonna have less trouble with your

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<v Speaker 2>saddle sliding forward with him. But just like super athletic,

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<v Speaker 2>he'll jump up on rocks and rock crawl and do

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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>If you like to get your picture taken on a rock,

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<v Speaker 5>he's your mule. Yep, he'll back out of the trailer.

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<v Speaker 2>Good.

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<v Speaker 1>You shoot a forty four magnum off of him.

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<v Speaker 5>Yep, he'll lope right off. He's got a nice low

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<v Speaker 5>lope to him.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's he's he's got a lot of energy, which

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<v Speaker 2>is good. I mean, like there's there there's a version

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<v Speaker 2>of a mule where one is just kind of a deadhead,

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<v Speaker 2>where I mean you'd just be like prodinent to go,

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<v Speaker 2>it'd be super safe and it'd just be trudging along.

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<v Speaker 2>This mule is like a quarter horse. I mean, he's

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to go where you point him, He's gonna go yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh so that's why you said, you know, would

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<v Speaker 2>you put a kid on this mule?

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<v Speaker 1>You absolutely could put a kid on that mule. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like the mule is gonna buck the kid off.

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<v Speaker 2>But but this mule is gonna it's like putting a

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<v Speaker 2>kid behind a corvette. Yeah, I mean it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he could your kid could drive the corvette, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he might give it the spurs and right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's probably a decent analogy.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you don't have to stay any for him to

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<v Speaker 5>keep up with everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and nine years old is about pro when they're

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<v Speaker 2>in their prime prime, like you, the working life of

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<v Speaker 2>that mule is going to be i'd say at least

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five years. They'll live longer than that, most likely

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<v Speaker 2>the working life I was in. I was in Utah

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<v Speaker 2>with McLean Meekham a month ago and we rode a

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<v Speaker 2>mule eighty miles through super rough country last day. Asked him,

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<v Speaker 2>use the hell's that mule? He said, twenty five years old?

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<v Speaker 5>Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>For real?

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<v Speaker 2>So before I mean from like six to nine years

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<v Speaker 2>old is like prime selling age, Like this is a

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<v Speaker 2>young mule. Like this mule is just now coming into

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<v Speaker 2>his prime. I would say, and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>This mule has been squirrel hunted off of a ton,

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<v Speaker 1>which is scrawling. Is good for him? I mean just a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot of activity, a lot of dogs, a lot of shooting,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of yelling, a lot of hooping and hollering people.

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<v Speaker 2>So somebody could buy this mule. We got to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out how they can contact us. But I mean, this

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<v Speaker 2>mule is for sale. If you want a top end

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<v Speaker 2>going Arkansas, dad, gum mule, this is your mule, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And it ain't gonna be cheap.

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<v Speaker 5>It is not gonna be cheap. No. What I would say,

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<v Speaker 5>if you've never wrote a mule, never owned a mule,

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<v Speaker 5>and say I want to buy this mule, be my

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<v Speaker 5>first mule don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right. This is not a beginner mule.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this this this mule is for somebody who's really

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to go, really wanting to use them, wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>wanting a top end mule. And I've ridden with this mule.

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<v Speaker 2>I would I would put my full weight behind anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael says, I've ridden with this mule a lot. What

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<v Speaker 2>would you take for it?

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<v Speaker 5>Fifteen?

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<v Speaker 1>Fifteen?

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<v Speaker 5>Yep, dude, I want I wish.

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<v Speaker 1>He would have talked to me before he said that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I was thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking that he could get a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>than that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I was. Actually I'm shocked at that number.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm good with fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll take twenty for the mule, Okay, contact me directly. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think you'll sell that mule all day

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere in the country for fifteen.

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<v Speaker 5>Somebody whoever wants to buy. If somebody was wanting to

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<v Speaker 5>buy and they need to come riding, we just need

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<v Speaker 5>to go riding.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's he's beautiful. He really is.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a top, top notch mule. Willard is his name, Willard?

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, Willard.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, awesome, he's kind of a messy eater.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a little bit of a messy eater.

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<v Speaker 5>His teeth were floated last year, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we need to do it to Covi's mule sale

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<v Speaker 2>on the podcast, bringing a mule every episode. Well maybe

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<v Speaker 2>not every episode, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh for real, Michael, I actually thought.

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<v Speaker 2>You were gonna say I'd take twenty three thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>for this mule. Nope, okay, that you sell that mule

0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:29.360
<v Speaker 2>all day for fifteen. But it's to the right people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's to somebody that's a that's an outfitter

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<v Speaker 2>that's wanting something.

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<v Speaker 1>Really to go.

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<v Speaker 2>These guys around here that hog hunt on mules that

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<v Speaker 2>really want to go in a working animal. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that mule would just be as good as they make.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, he's beautiful. Well okay, so Josh, how can

0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.240
<v Speaker 2>we how can people get in touch with us? Let's

0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.880
<v Speaker 2>give him an email. Don't let Tebow run out through

0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:05.360
<v Speaker 2>that mule's legs while it's bad. Puppy, get back. We've

0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:07.840
<v Speaker 2>got another dog coming in here. Get back, dog. Sorry,

0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:09.880
<v Speaker 2>we got a dog trying to come in behind this mule.

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<v Speaker 2>Send send your queries to Josh at the.

0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:16.200
<v Speaker 1>Metheater dot com and he will get you in touch

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<v Speaker 1>with Michael in there. Okay, So you don't think your

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<v Speaker 1>wife's gonna be happy about this.

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<v Speaker 5>No, she will not. Why because she feels like I'll

0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:37.280
<v Speaker 5>regret selling that mule, which's probably right. I mean I

0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:39.639
<v Speaker 5>will have some regret. He's a good mule.

0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:41.679
<v Speaker 2>Why okay, why are you selling the meals? So if

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know you, i'd say, why are you selling

0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:43.720
<v Speaker 2>the mule?

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<v Speaker 5>Because I want to buy another mule, a younger mayor mule.

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<v Speaker 5>Just start riding it. I've got another mule I just

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<v Speaker 5>bought back in May, and I've been riding her a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>I haven't wrote him since I don't know when, four

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<v Speaker 5>or five months. Maybe. Well, I just don't feel like,

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<v Speaker 5>well you.

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<v Speaker 1>You did, you did right? You have ridden him since then?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you take him squirrel hunting the other day?

0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:13.280
<v Speaker 5>No? I rode my new mule Phyllis. Okay, yeah, I

0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:16.200
<v Speaker 5>rode her like six out of eight days.

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<v Speaker 1>What days? What did you ride the other days?

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<v Speaker 5>We rode hunting?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:23.280
<v Speaker 5>Okay, okay, I was thinking you rode him six out

0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:25.040
<v Speaker 5>of eight days that I was riding mules.

0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, uh so you says, it's not like she

0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:34.080
<v Speaker 2>likes Willard. She just you just think she just thinks

0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:37.920
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna regret selling him. Correct, Yeah, yeah, okay, but I.

0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:40.560
<v Speaker 5>Mean they just got my my kids got me a

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:44.119
<v Speaker 5>black and white picture, oh to hang up in the

0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:48.040
<v Speaker 5>new house for Christmas. Oh yeah, it's just kind of

0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:49.439
<v Speaker 5>he's been around a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, what do you think, Bear, you think you

0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:53.879
<v Speaker 1>should sell it?

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<v Speaker 7>I mean it sounds like it might be the move

0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:02.080
<v Speaker 7>if you can't, you know, if you don't have the

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 7>time to ride a bunch of mules.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Michael's kind of an animal. He's kind of a

0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:11.720
<v Speaker 2>he moves through a lot of animals do, and and

0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:14.240
<v Speaker 2>they're always good. Are There's some people that move through

0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:16.880
<v Speaker 2>animals that you're like, you don't want to get something

0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:20.520
<v Speaker 2>from him. Michael's not that guy. Michael's moving through stuff

0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:24.280
<v Speaker 2>just because he loves them, and he's and he's he's

0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:27.639
<v Speaker 2>kind of shuffling dogs around to different people and training

0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 2>dogs and different stuff. And I kind of feel like

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:33.639
<v Speaker 2>this is partly why I brought you here. I feel

0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 2>like this kind of, you know, psychologically, you're just kind

0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:42.040
<v Speaker 2>of you've you've you've used up Willard.

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, in in in the in in in your heart.

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:50.560
<v Speaker 3>It's just there's no space in your heart for Willard.

0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you've had him, you know what he can do,

0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:55.960
<v Speaker 2>and you're just ready to move on.

0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:58.280
<v Speaker 3>Is it a midlife crisis that you're trying to get

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:00.280
<v Speaker 3>a younger model? No, okay, just.

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:03.159
<v Speaker 5>Checking the mule I'm riding now is six?

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:04.320
<v Speaker 3>Okay?

0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, there is something to be said for riding a

0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:10.440
<v Speaker 2>mule like Easy. Like when I get on Easy, who

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:14.639
<v Speaker 2>I've now had for nine years or so, it's it

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:18.159
<v Speaker 2>loses some of the excitement. Now there's a satisfaction that

0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:21.280
<v Speaker 2>comes from just a animal that you just know what's

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:25.639
<v Speaker 2>gonna happen. Right, But half of the fun of riding

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 2>a mule is is training it, seeing it develops, seeing

0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:34.680
<v Speaker 2>it grow, and a little bit of that just uncertainty even.

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:37.240
<v Speaker 2>And so when you have one that you just know

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:40.240
<v Speaker 2>what's going to happen, you're less likely to just run

0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:42.480
<v Speaker 2>out there and saddle it up and ride around. I mean,

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.080
<v Speaker 2>so I'm the same way I would. I like to

0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 2>have one up and coming, you know, not all the time,

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:50.040
<v Speaker 2>but fair bit of the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Michael, did you grow up riding mules?

0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:52.760
<v Speaker 5>Horses?

0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 3>Horses?

0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:57.159
<v Speaker 5>I got into mules when was it. When did you

0:26:57.200 --> 0:26:59.720
<v Speaker 5>make that one hundred dollars squirrel.

0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 2>Hunt dollar squirrel video would have been like twenty sixteen.

0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:09.199
<v Speaker 5>So I probably started riding mules in twenty fifteen, okay,

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:10.160
<v Speaker 5>year before that.

0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 3>How many meals do you think you've owned since then?

0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:20.720
<v Speaker 5>So I got three now probably six seven.

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:23.920
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so it's not like you just cycled through thirty meals.

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:27.679
<v Speaker 5>Now. Some of them came and went really quick. They're

0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:28.399
<v Speaker 5>pretty crazy.

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, well that that is.

0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 1>A really nice mule. That is a nice, very nice mual.

0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 1>For sure.

0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Bear's been training his meal yep, slow trap all slow

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 2>trapm about this week.

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna try and shoot off of them for the

0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 7>first time.

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're gonna go hunt. We're gonna go hunt. Try

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:51.040
<v Speaker 1>to take it on his first big squirrel hunt.

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:56.159
<v Speaker 2>Well that brings up let's talk about this episode. So

0:27:56.560 --> 0:28:01.199
<v Speaker 2>on the first when I first started bear Grease was

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 2>I wrote out twenty six potential Beargrease episodes with the

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:11.680
<v Speaker 2>intent to mock out a year of barg grease because

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 2>the Beargrease Proper documentary comes out, you know, every two weeks,

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 2>So twenty six a year and on the list, high

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:22.680
<v Speaker 2>on the list was a mule episode with ty Evans

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 2>five years ago.

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I actually talked to Tye.

0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:29.360
<v Speaker 2>On the phone five years ago and we were we

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 2>were like going back and forth on how to record

0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 2>with him. I mean we were just I was just

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 2>like just that close to pulling the trigger and there

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 2>was some issues. Well we just couldn't. I couldn't go

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 2>up there at that moment. And so this has been

0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 2>in the works for a long time. Ty and I

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 2>went and in Mountainline hunted with acclaim meekum Uh in

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Utah in December.

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 1>So I was with Tie for a week up there.

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 2>And in that week, you know, on the eppic so,

0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Tye said that we had ridden sixty eight miles. We

0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 2>actually ended up riding over eighty, not counting the it's

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 2>hard to describe it. He talked about he ponied some

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 2>mules for a ways like that. I wasn't with him.

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 2>That's the reason he was saying he had a few

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 2>more miles than me, which was true. But by the

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 2>time we got done, we actually rode eighty miles in

0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 2>five days and it was, oh my goodness, it was.

0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:33.520
<v Speaker 2>It was a lot and through rough, rough country like

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 2>we were on trails occasionally, but mainly just just following dogs,

0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 2>you know. And so just being there that week with

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Tye is when I really heard the full story of

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:51.480
<v Speaker 2>his really transformation, that's a good word to use to

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:54.320
<v Speaker 2>describe it, from the way he used to train, which

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 2>he grew up in this training family and his dad

0:29:57.160 --> 0:30:04.720
<v Speaker 2>was a mule and horse trainer, and so the cowboy

0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 2>way of breaking a horse or mule is just that

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 2>just go grab a grab a wild mustang off the range,

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 2>rope it, put it in a corral, catch it, put

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 2>a saddle on it, get on it, and just buck

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:22.360
<v Speaker 2>it out. I mean that's kind of that's an exaggerated,

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 2>shortened version, but I mean that's kind of what the

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:31.040
<v Speaker 2>cowboy way was, and that's the way a lot of

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 2>horse training, mule training was done for generations and still

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 2>still is done by many people.

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 1>And it does work.

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:42.960
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing is that it actually does produce an

0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 2>animal that you can ride and that can be safe.

0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 2>But these these guys practicing natural horsemanship started coming around,

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 2>and it's not like one person just discovered this, Like,

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't Buck Brandnaman just all on his own. He

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:01.280
<v Speaker 2>was one that became really famous for it, and well

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:06.520
<v Speaker 2>known Pat Parelli, Ray Hunt, the Dornce Brothers, many others.

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm not even qualified to start name dropping

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.960
<v Speaker 2>these names, but these are the people that that that

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 2>started this natural horsemanship stuff where you actually started to

0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 2>try to understand the way a horse or mule fought

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 2>as opposed to just inflicting, you know, kind of your

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 2>will on this animal.

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 1>It is. It was really wild. We watched the Kids documentary.

0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, I love that documentary.

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 1>It was.

0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:37.240
<v Speaker 6>It's quite moving.

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 1>It is the yeah, the Buck documentary.

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 6>And that was before we had mules. I mean, that

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:45.800
<v Speaker 6>was before we were people. And at that time we

0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 6>watched it and and we're it was. It was very moving.

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Anybody could watch it and it would be massively interesting.

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it was. It was.

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>You watched it.

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:55.360
<v Speaker 5>Yeah it's good.

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's good. Yeah, you watched it, Josh.

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Back in the day, back in the day, Yeah, Buck brandonman, Yeah, Well,

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 2>what what stood out to y'all in the episode? So

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I was, I was, I was in it deep neck

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 2>deep with tie. What stood out to y'all.

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Listening to it? Just cold turkey? Who who will go first?

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 5>Lad?

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:21.640
<v Speaker 1>We're I can go first? Okay? Like this.

0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 7>That was a lot because as many people know, I've

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 7>been working with Slow Trap and he's been the first

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 7>mule that I've ever trained, but I trained him using

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 7>the natural horsemanship. I went over to uh uh eld

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 7>Mid Yeah, and he kind of showed me the ropes

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 7>on that pressure and release, kind of learned the fundamental

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 7>principles of it. And then I trained Slow Trap this

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 7>summer and could really see the you know, really kind

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 7>of saw that unfold, like what it really looks like.

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 7>And the biggest thing that I noticed was what Tye

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:58.920
<v Speaker 7>was saying was that you can't ask that mule to

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 7>be something that you're not and it it. It really

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:05.040
<v Speaker 7>made sense to me after training Slow Trap that like

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 7>if you know, like when a lot of my flaws

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 7>would reflect in his behavior pretty much. Shaggy hair, yeah

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:18.719
<v Speaker 7>he doesn't. He does need a haircut right now, so

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 7>just his so did his partner bears.

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 7>But I really liked the podcast because it kind of

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 7>displayed a lot of those principles and I think they're

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:34.240
<v Speaker 7>they're really powerful principles just in life. Like after training

0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 7>Slow Trap, I kind of looked at the way that

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 7>I did everything differently, Like I looked at the way

0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 7>that I looked I made bows differently. I mean I

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:44.960
<v Speaker 7>saw that, like the the Boa, my bows that I

0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 7>was making in a lot of ways were a reflection

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 7>of me as a craftsman. Like if I was taking shortcuts,

0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 7>that bow was going to take shortcuts, and it was

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 7>you know, it wasn't going to perform the way he

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 7>needed to. And then it, you know, it just kind

0:33:57.360 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 7>of like rippled out through all the areas of my life.

0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 7>But I really liked the episode because it's a it's

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 7>a it's a really it's a good way, like you

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:10.240
<v Speaker 7>can really understand it with the mules whenever you're training

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 7>an animal. It but that principle kind of can ripple

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 7>all through your life.

0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, I think that's I think that's the the

0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:22.239
<v Speaker 6>thing and that I think that's what stood out about

0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 6>even when we watched the Buck film a long time ago,

0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:28.360
<v Speaker 6>is this whole idea that you can't expect people, you

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:30.720
<v Speaker 6>can't ask people to do what you've not to become

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 6>who you've not become. And and I think as a

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:38.840
<v Speaker 6>parent that that is a super important concept. I'm an

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:42.759
<v Speaker 6>educator in education, you can apply that principle. You can

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 6>really apply it. You can apply it anywhere. And and

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 6>I think that that's that's what was really meaningful to me.

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 6>You and I talked about this whenever you came back,

0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 6>and you were easy as the first maybe the first

0:34:57.760 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 6>or second mule you ever trained, the.

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:00.960
<v Speaker 1>First when I fully trained.

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:04.719
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and she's she's she's sassy.

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 1>She's sassy, she's sassy.

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 6>And uh and and I think that that probably is

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 6>a reflection of you know, Clay's a little Sassy's true,

0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 6>but I'm not not not even that You're just you

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 6>were probably a little shorter with Izzy. It's kind of

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 6>interesting watching you Traine Banjo, watching Izzy, watching Bear train,

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:28.360
<v Speaker 6>work with Banjo, and work with this with slow Trap.

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 6>You know, Slow Trap. We joke around that he's practically

0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 6>a dog, like he'll come to a whistle's he's yeah,

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:36.799
<v Speaker 6>he's he's pretty funny as a mule. He's not a.

0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:39.760
<v Speaker 1>He's super general, super.

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:42.959
<v Speaker 6>General, super laid back. Barry answers to his name.

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Uh, kind of like be kind.

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:50.239
<v Speaker 6>Yeah. And it's just it's it's just kind of interesting

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 6>and and it brings up I just thought the podcast

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 6>brought up a lot of, you know, bigger ideas that

0:35:57.320 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 6>whole thing of you have to you have to change,

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 6>you have to transform to get the people around you

0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 6>to transform, the people that you're leading to transform. And

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:07.360
<v Speaker 6>I think that was such a big principle inside of parenting,

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 6>like you can't ask your kids to be well behaved, well,

0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:14.000
<v Speaker 6>I think if you're you know, angry and all that.

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:17.759
<v Speaker 6>But I also think there's a there's the podcast. It's

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 6>something else I thought was kind of interesting that I

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 6>wasn't expecting. And that was the part about just kind

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:26.280
<v Speaker 6>of putting putting away the ways that you're you're maybe

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 6>the past, yeah, coming into new ways of doing things

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:30.160
<v Speaker 6>and yeah.

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:33.439
<v Speaker 6>And I think that those two things can merge really well,

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:36.879
<v Speaker 6>even inside of our lives, you know, like there would

0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 6>be things that we would have done in the past

0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:41.239
<v Speaker 6>that we wouldn't do anymore, right, I mean, I think

0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.640
<v Speaker 6>it's a I think it's a good it's a good

0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 6>podcast to think about those things.

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:46.399
<v Speaker 1>So the so this book.

0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I talked about this book and I didn't really mention

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:51.920
<v Speaker 2>the significance that it had in the industry, but this

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 2>book evidence based horsemanship.

0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:58.279
<v Speaker 1>I believe I've got it right here. Where is it?

0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:01.960
<v Speaker 2>I've got it somewhere here it is steps on myself.

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:05.719
<v Speaker 2>This book right here, Evidence Based Horsemanship. Before I ever

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 2>had meals, I read that book. A guy just mentioned

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:11.759
<v Speaker 2>it and was like, hey, you should read it, and

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 2>I did, and a whole premise.

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Of it was the way that the.

0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Equine industry has been trained in animals is just not

0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:23.480
<v Speaker 2>the right way, and so you're going to have to, like,

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:26.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, going back to that one quote about just

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:29.759
<v Speaker 2>because you know it's been done this way for for

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:32.479
<v Speaker 2>fifty years, doesn't negate that it could be done wrong

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:37.840
<v Speaker 2>for fifty years. And this, Oh, I could talk about

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 2>that book. I could talk about that book forever. But

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:46.840
<v Speaker 2>the thing that I remember from this is that humans

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:50.720
<v Speaker 2>look at something and we assume that it thinks like us.

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:56.040
<v Speaker 2>And this neuroscientist talks about how a horse or mule

0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:58.440
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have a place in his brain to like you

0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:03.320
<v Speaker 2>or dislike you, like like I like, or dislike Josh

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:06.680
<v Speaker 2>he and they actually talk about the brain science of

0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 2>a horse and mule have these huge brains, but most

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 2>of it is for control of actual physical elements of

0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:17.120
<v Speaker 2>the body to control all these muscles, like you need

0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 2>a bigger hard drive to be able to control twelve

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 2>hundred pounds of muscle, and the frontal lobe of the

0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:30.880
<v Speaker 2>horse or the mule is very small, and a human

0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:34.799
<v Speaker 2>frontal lobe is very big. And all the things that

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:39.040
<v Speaker 2>make us human that you know, like our ability to reason,

0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 2>our ability to love, our ability to think about spiritual

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:47.719
<v Speaker 2>things like to me, like the breath of God that

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:52.560
<v Speaker 2>makes us human. Like where that stuff happens, a lot

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.239
<v Speaker 2>of it is registered in in the frontal lobe of

0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:57.640
<v Speaker 2>a human and a horse just basically doesn't have one,

0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 2>or has a small one. And uh so when you

0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:03.759
<v Speaker 2>go out in the pasture, like a common thing in

0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:06.840
<v Speaker 2>the equine world would be like, oh, that horse doesn't

0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 2>like me. And basically this book is like that horse

0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:13.880
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have an option in its brain to like you

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:17.960
<v Speaker 2>or dislike you. What he is focused on is security,

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 2>uh leadership. I mean, an equine animal has one question

0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:26.520
<v Speaker 2>to answer when you walk up to it, and it's

0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:29.960
<v Speaker 2>the only language that it knows is who's in charge.

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 2>It's like if if I had, if if the simplicity

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:39.440
<v Speaker 2>of my operating capacity as a human, it basically was

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:41.959
<v Speaker 2>just one thing, Like I would walk up to every

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 2>person I met and I would go who's in charge?

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:46.880
<v Speaker 2>You were me, who's in charge? You were me like,

0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:49.759
<v Speaker 2>that's the only question I have And I mean, in

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:53.839
<v Speaker 2>a way, that's the way an equine animal is. And

0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:57.440
<v Speaker 2>when you set the tone for you being the leader,

0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:02.720
<v Speaker 2>it's fine with that. But if you don't answer that question,

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:05.600
<v Speaker 2>you're going to have problems. And then and then obviously

0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:08.200
<v Speaker 2>every animal is a little bit different when we're going

0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:12.440
<v Speaker 2>to be harder. But but this, this book dispels a

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 2>ton of myths about training. And this is not all

0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:20.480
<v Speaker 2>about natural horsemanship, but it kind of bleeds into what

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Brandaman and and uh all these guys were talking about.

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:29.960
<v Speaker 2>But uh, yeah, and you talking about Isy. This first

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:34.879
<v Speaker 2>mule that I trained, my insecurity as a trainer translated

0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:37.799
<v Speaker 2>into me being really harsh with her, not like not

0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 2>like abusive, but just harsh like when she didn't do

0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:46.880
<v Speaker 2>what I wanted. Honestly, I was intimidated by that. And

0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:50.600
<v Speaker 2>so rather than like finding a better way, a better

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 2>way to ask it a question, essentially, in training, you're

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:56.359
<v Speaker 2>asking an animal a question. You're saying, will you turn

0:40:56.440 --> 0:40:58.879
<v Speaker 2>to the right, will you turn to the left? Will

0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:02.960
<v Speaker 2>you follow my leadership? And basically my intimidation with not

0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:06.000
<v Speaker 2>really understanding the animals. When it wouldn't do what I wanted,

0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:08.360
<v Speaker 2>I would just come in harder with the same question,

0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:12.879
<v Speaker 2>and finally it would do it. But my intensity would

0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:15.520
<v Speaker 2>rise so much so would hers, and all of a

0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 2>sudden you had this like massive tension.

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:19.520
<v Speaker 1>And to this day is these like that. Part of

0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:20.439
<v Speaker 1>it's probably just.

0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Her nature, but part of it absolutely goes back to

0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:30.120
<v Speaker 2>her training. Yeah, and she's become a really a mule

0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:32.680
<v Speaker 2>that I love and can do anything on the world on.

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:40.960
<v Speaker 2>But your animal reflects what you put out and what

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:44.799
<v Speaker 2>I take away from it, what I've learned inside of

0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:45.640
<v Speaker 2>training an animal.

0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Is this the energy that we put out as people.

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:56.280
<v Speaker 2>And I don't mean sometimes using that phraseology might sound

0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:58.840
<v Speaker 2>like something weird or something.

0:41:58.880 --> 0:41:59.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about something.

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:03.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm literally talking about the the energy that we put

0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 2>out just with our personality, the way we speak, our

0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:14.240
<v Speaker 2>blood pressure, like being high or low, I mean affects

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 2>people around us. And uh and and Ty talked about

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 2>being flat. Actually I can't remember if on this episode

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:24.960
<v Speaker 2>that you're not, But man, when you're around an equine animal,

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 2>it's like being able to just like drop your blood press,

0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 2>just drop your expectations and it helps so much. But

0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 2>I think there's we can't ask an animal to be

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:40.360
<v Speaker 2>something that you're not. Can't yell at your kids and

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:43.719
<v Speaker 2>tell them to calm down, while you yourself are yelling at

0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:44.280
<v Speaker 2>your kids.

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:48.360
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, not calm Well, it makes me, It makes me

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 6>think a lot. We talk with with new teachers a

0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:54.680
<v Speaker 6>lot about control because because like you were describing yourself

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:58.880
<v Speaker 6>with Izzy, control is like a new teacher is insecure.

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:01.359
<v Speaker 6>They don't. I mean, it's the scariest thing you've ever done,

0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 6>is stand up in front of a group of teenagers

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:10.480
<v Speaker 6>and or preschoolers and ask them to do what I mean.

0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:12.480
<v Speaker 6>It's just terrifying. And because you don't know if they're

0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:14.879
<v Speaker 6>gonna do it or not, and that they feel it,

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:18.120
<v Speaker 6>they know it, and they know that that you are

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:22.040
<v Speaker 6>and and your tendency is to grasp for greater control

0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:25.040
<v Speaker 6>in those moments. It's like I feel insecure, and so

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:27.160
<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna I'm gonna try to hold this tighter, I'm

0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:30.160
<v Speaker 6>gonna be more and I'll get it and it it

0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:35.560
<v Speaker 6>just never works. It never works. The the kids respond

0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:37.400
<v Speaker 6>to the person.

0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Who's who's certainty con.

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:44.160
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, confidence, certainty and also just what you're putting on them.

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.680
<v Speaker 6>Like they don't your respect for them. Yeah, yeah, no,

0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:51.360
<v Speaker 6>I mean your respect for them. It's like, yeah, sometimes

0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:52.840
<v Speaker 6>you just need law in order, but sometimes you just

0:43:52.840 --> 0:43:54.799
<v Speaker 6>need to hear, give them a voice, let them hear

0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:56.120
<v Speaker 6>what they have to say. You don't need to just

0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:59.279
<v Speaker 6>control every single thing. And so yeah, sometimes if you

0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 6>put that on them, if you your control and your

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:04.120
<v Speaker 6>desire to to manage them, if you put that on them,

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:06.440
<v Speaker 6>they're going to buck against that. You have to kind

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 6>of respect who they are and respect that this is

0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 6>their space as well. And and let's all let's hear

0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:12.919
<v Speaker 6>what you've got to say.

0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:16.279
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I thought I thought that point because Time made

0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:19.360
<v Speaker 7>that same point. Yea said, they can see they know

0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:20.960
<v Speaker 7>when you know, and they know when you don't.

0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's the truth. Yeah.

0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 7>Whatever, you're riding a mule, if you give it anything,

0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:30.640
<v Speaker 7>it'll it'll take everything. Yeah, because it's just like if

0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:33.840
<v Speaker 7>you put someone in like whenever I first started riding mules,

0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:37.000
<v Speaker 7>you know, I wasn't too strict on what the you know,

0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:39.640
<v Speaker 7>whenever they'd eat grass or something, and then throughout the

0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:41.719
<v Speaker 7>ride they'd start eating more and more and more, and

0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:43.759
<v Speaker 7>then you'd kind of lose control of them. Because they

0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:46.320
<v Speaker 7>don't want to stop every time. Yeah, they see grass

0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 7>to eat, right. I thought that was a was an

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:50.080
<v Speaker 7>interesting point.

0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:53.799
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, that was good, Michael. What stood out to you?

0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:57.160
<v Speaker 5>The leadership part of it stood out to me. I

0:44:57.200 --> 0:45:01.360
<v Speaker 5>mean I've seen it within companies where you know, whoever's

0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:04.839
<v Speaker 5>running it, if they're not the best to work for,

0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:07.200
<v Speaker 5>not the best to be around. You know, say they're

0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 5>a screamer, maybe they're not very confident, so they just

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:13.799
<v Speaker 5>you know, just jump up and down to try to

0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:16.759
<v Speaker 5>get their point across that. It just it trickles down

0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:18.280
<v Speaker 5>to everybody around them.

0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:20.840
<v Speaker 6>M m yeah. Yeah.

0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:24.440
<v Speaker 1>What about with what about with mules?

0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Did you like there wasn't any real specific meal training stuff.

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:31.439
<v Speaker 2>I get we weren't really like trying to teach people

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:34.520
<v Speaker 2>how to train a mule necessarily, but I don't know,

0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:36.719
<v Speaker 2>did you do you hear anything that stood out to you?

0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:40.359
<v Speaker 5>Well, I'll listen to the you know, he said make

0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:44.799
<v Speaker 5>the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard. Yeah,

0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:47.520
<v Speaker 5>And I was a little bit like I don't completely

0:45:47.600 --> 0:45:51.160
<v Speaker 5>understand that, Like I get making the right thing easy, yeah,

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:55.000
<v Speaker 5>but if you walk up and you're wanting your meal

0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:58.439
<v Speaker 5>to jump up on that rock and you, you sit

0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:00.640
<v Speaker 5>there and spend it in circles, go around the rock

0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:04.520
<v Speaker 5>five hundred times, I mean an hour later. I mean

0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:08.480
<v Speaker 5>making that right thing easy would be me putting the

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:12.440
<v Speaker 5>spurs in its ribs until it gets up on that rock. Yeah,

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:14.560
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I don't know if that. I have no

0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:17.120
<v Speaker 5>idea what he's trying to say there, Like what would

0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:18.680
<v Speaker 5>the wrong thing?

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:22.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, here's here's the best example that i've got. And Tie,

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:24.440
<v Speaker 2>if you were here, I have no doubt he could

0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:32.000
<v Speaker 2>give us many great examples. But like when they he

0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:35.960
<v Speaker 2>told me one time that he had a mule. I

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:38.839
<v Speaker 2>can't remember the exact scenario forgive me, tye, but like

0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:41.200
<v Speaker 2>there was a mule that was worried about going through

0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:46.120
<v Speaker 2>a gate, and every time they got to the gate,

0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:48.759
<v Speaker 2>the mule would start to get kind of watchy and

0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:53.160
<v Speaker 2>and and wanting to not go through it. And so

0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:59.239
<v Speaker 2>he started riding like big circles around the arena. And

0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:01.560
<v Speaker 2>every time he would get to the gate, he would

0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:04.799
<v Speaker 2>try to stop to let the mule rest in the

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:10.000
<v Speaker 2>zone that it was nervous, and if it was nervous

0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:14.920
<v Speaker 2>and uneasy, he'd just ride it again and and and basically,

0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:19.799
<v Speaker 2>the right thing to do was to be confident and

0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:24.480
<v Speaker 2>go through the gate. And he made it hard everywhere

0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:28.319
<v Speaker 2>else but the gate. You see what I'm saying, Does

0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:31.960
<v Speaker 2>that make sense? That's may not be the exactly what

0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:37.040
<v Speaker 2>he did, but that would be one example of it.

0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:41.479
<v Speaker 2>And it's it is a lot easier to visualize making

0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:43.920
<v Speaker 2>the right thing easy. And that's one of the biggest

0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:46.239
<v Speaker 2>thing with riding these animals is and and I make

0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:49.640
<v Speaker 2>this mistake probably every time I ride, but you can

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 2>tell for sure when somebody's doesn't know what they're doing.

0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:57.120
<v Speaker 2>They asked the mule to do something that the mule

0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:00.400
<v Speaker 2>is not going to do, and then and then the

0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:03.399
<v Speaker 2>mule doesn't do it, and then the mule is like, well,

0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 2>this guy's not in charge because he told me to

0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:11.799
<v Speaker 2>do that, I didn't do it, and now we're just

0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:15.279
<v Speaker 2>riding up the trail, you know. And and so that's

0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 2>when I ride with new people, I'm just like, whatever

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:21.799
<v Speaker 2>you ask it to do, make sure it does it.

0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:25.920
<v Speaker 2>From small things to just going around the tree, to

0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:30.879
<v Speaker 2>backing up to stopping to going into a.

0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Trot or just whatever.

0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Just make sure that the commands that you give are

0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:41.000
<v Speaker 2>clear and that you make the animal follow through with

0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:44.359
<v Speaker 2>what you've asked it to do, and it's not hard

0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:46.680
<v Speaker 2>on it. But like Bear said, you put a kid

0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:50.040
<v Speaker 2>on even a good mule, you can put a kid.

0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:52.360
<v Speaker 2>You could put a kid on a fifteen thousand dollars

0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:57.279
<v Speaker 2>mule and by in two hours, in twenty minutes, that

0:48:57.400 --> 0:49:00.200
<v Speaker 2>mule might just be wandering around doing what it wanted do.

0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:06.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, just because it's they're very perceptive of a mule,

0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:10.600
<v Speaker 2>will will elevate and lower to the skill of the rider.

0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:12.440
<v Speaker 1>I've heard a lot of.

0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Mule guys say that that when you're selling the mule,

0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:21.000
<v Speaker 2>you're like, I mean, you got to make sure the

0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:25.120
<v Speaker 2>person that's riding the mule knows what's going on, you know, and.

0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:31.680
<v Speaker 1>So but anything else say out to you, Michael.

0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:36.120
<v Speaker 5>Or Josh, something did well.

0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:40.200
<v Speaker 4>I I when I listened to it, I've I had

0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:44.400
<v Speaker 4>a great appreciation for just tie his process into the

0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:49.840
<v Speaker 4>whole thing, you know, watching his dad break horses and

0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:55.160
<v Speaker 4>horses the cowboy way, and I have really great appreciation

0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:59.880
<v Speaker 4>for someone who can watch that and not condemn it,

0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:05.440
<v Speaker 4>but also watch that and then and then find ways

0:50:05.520 --> 0:50:09.040
<v Speaker 4>to do it better, Like as a father. You know,

0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:12.439
<v Speaker 4>I look back and I made some I made some

0:50:12.600 --> 0:50:18.720
<v Speaker 4>boneheaded mistakes raising my kids, and I want my kids,

0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:20.560
<v Speaker 4>you know, I think there's a lot of people who, like,

0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:23.360
<v Speaker 4>I want my kids to raise raise their kids like

0:50:23.440 --> 0:50:26.200
<v Speaker 4>I did. I want my kids to do it better

0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:29.759
<v Speaker 4>than I did. And I think ty was able to say, hey,

0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:32.400
<v Speaker 4>that worked for a time, but there's a better way,

0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:35.319
<v Speaker 4>and not condemn that, but be able to just take

0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:38.600
<v Speaker 4>these new things that he observed and that he learned.

0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:42.760
<v Speaker 4>I appreciate how he applied himself to learning something different,

0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:46.279
<v Speaker 4>something that other people hadn't done in the past, and

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:49.080
<v Speaker 4>became successful with it. I mean, that's the thing that

0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:52.720
<v Speaker 4>makes people stand out that I think that really shows

0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:56.680
<v Speaker 4>the character of who Tye is. And I think that's

0:50:56.719 --> 0:50:58.359
<v Speaker 4>the thing that really stood out to me the most.

0:50:58.800 --> 0:50:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:03.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a hard thing to do something different. I mean,

0:51:03.880 --> 0:51:10.839
<v Speaker 2>I guess there's some version of fatherhood and sonhood or

0:51:10.960 --> 0:51:15.000
<v Speaker 2>just parents where you know, there's some people out there

0:51:15.040 --> 0:51:16.799
<v Speaker 2>that would say, oh, I knew for sure I was

0:51:16.840 --> 0:51:18.520
<v Speaker 2>not going to do things like my mom and dad did.

0:51:28.320 --> 0:51:31.560
<v Speaker 2>But it's not even about father and son. It's more

0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:36.279
<v Speaker 2>about what's the cultural norm for the way things are

0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:37.560
<v Speaker 2>done and what it could be.

0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:38.600
<v Speaker 1>In electrical work.

0:51:38.640 --> 0:51:40.840
<v Speaker 2>It could be in training mules, it could be in hunting,

0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:42.520
<v Speaker 2>it could be in business, it could be.

0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:45.120
<v Speaker 1>But just to be able to have enough.

0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Overarching perspective to see that something's being done like completely

0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:55.080
<v Speaker 2>the wrong way and be able to transform to somebody.

0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:58.040
<v Speaker 2>To me, that's what always appealed to me about natural

0:51:58.040 --> 0:52:02.160
<v Speaker 2>horsemanship is that it was just like so different. And

0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:05.600
<v Speaker 2>uh it was kind of cool though to see tie

0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:10.719
<v Speaker 2>uh and to to see him, Uh he was a

0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:13.880
<v Speaker 2>bronk rider before, which being a bronc rider literally is

0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:17.320
<v Speaker 2>you're purposely getting onto the back of an untrained animal,

0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:22.319
<v Speaker 2>right and bucking with it just because it's fun. And uh,

0:52:22.400 --> 0:52:26.800
<v Speaker 2>I know when I was making videos about training mules,

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:32.840
<v Speaker 2>uh nine years ago, a bucking mule video does better

0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:37.360
<v Speaker 2>than a non bucking mule video. And so I trained

0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:40.760
<v Speaker 2>is he and my version, you know, just the best

0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:44.040
<v Speaker 2>way I knew how. But it was very heavily influenced

0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:46.200
<v Speaker 2>by several of these natural horsemanship guys.

0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:47.280
<v Speaker 1>And she never bucked.

0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:49.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know when it finally came to get

0:52:49.360 --> 0:52:52.040
<v Speaker 2>on her, you know, I remember I did this countdown

0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:56.600
<v Speaker 2>on YouTube. Oh it was good, Michael, where I was like, Okay,

0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:59.720
<v Speaker 2>I've trained her trained or trainer trainer. Today, I'm getting

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:01.799
<v Speaker 2>on her for the first time, and I did this

0:53:02.000 --> 0:53:08.680
<v Speaker 2>countdown one or you know, ten nine eight, and I'm I'm,

0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:12.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, like holding onto the saddle and kind of

0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:15.479
<v Speaker 2>shaking the saddle and slapping her on the back letting

0:53:15.480 --> 0:53:17.440
<v Speaker 2>her know I'm about to get on. And you know,

0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:19.759
<v Speaker 2>the viewer is just thinking, oh, this sucker is just

0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:22.200
<v Speaker 2>gonna buck him off when he gets on there, and

0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:24.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, I throw my leg over and she just

0:53:24.640 --> 0:53:30.080
<v Speaker 2>kind of sits there, does nothing, won't even move and

0:53:30.160 --> 0:53:31.520
<v Speaker 2>I get off, and I mean.

0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:34.080
<v Speaker 1>It's like probably probably didn't go viral.

0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:40.359
<v Speaker 2>It's one of the best videos on the former Bear

0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Honey magazine now Bear Grease channel.

0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:45.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it got like multiple millions of yous.

0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:50.719
<v Speaker 2>Actually, but but Bear kind of ran into the same

0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:53.640
<v Speaker 2>thing he was. He was making some videos of training

0:53:53.760 --> 0:53:56.719
<v Speaker 2>slow Trap, and Slow Trap did the exact same thing. So,

0:53:57.280 --> 0:54:00.839
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Ty was saying, it's kind of fun when

0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:05.840
<v Speaker 2>they buck. But if you're buying an animal from somebody,

0:54:06.840 --> 0:54:09.560
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't want to buy one that they bucked out. No,

0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I would want to buy one that never bucked.

0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Up kicking his life.

0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:13.880
<v Speaker 6>You know.

0:54:16.120 --> 0:54:18.840
<v Speaker 1>But who trained Willard H.

0:54:19.440 --> 0:54:22.520
<v Speaker 5>Warren Campbell owned him. That's who I bought him from.

0:54:23.239 --> 0:54:25.439
<v Speaker 5>And I believe he took him to an Amish guy

0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:29.120
<v Speaker 5>to get him started, and then Warren wrote him. He

0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:31.279
<v Speaker 5>wrote him a lot like that's where he got his

0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:33.640
<v Speaker 5>name Willard from the Amish.

0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh, the Amish called him Willard.

0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:39.080
<v Speaker 5>Warren told me he went to tie the mule up

0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:42.080
<v Speaker 5>at the Amish guy's place and he was talking to

0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:46.799
<v Speaker 5>the guy and his the son, the Almish son come

0:54:46.880 --> 0:54:51.480
<v Speaker 5>riding his bike down the driveway, stopped and skid, you know,

0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:53.840
<v Speaker 5>turned his bike real sharp right there by the mule.

0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:56.719
<v Speaker 5>And the guy was like, now, Willard, you can't be

0:54:56.800 --> 0:55:03.919
<v Speaker 5>doing that. Yeah, and so Warren would tell the story better.

0:55:03.920 --> 0:55:04.640
<v Speaker 5>But I believe that.

0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:08.120
<v Speaker 1>So Warren was like, this mule's name is Willard. Yeah,

0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:12.000
<v Speaker 1>that's a great that's good. That's good, that's good.

0:55:13.120 --> 0:55:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a good name, Willard, Willard. Well this I

0:55:22.000 --> 0:55:25.000
<v Speaker 2>hope these episodes have been entertaining for people that aren't

0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:28.840
<v Speaker 2>into equine animals. I know, before I was into equine animals,

0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:32.600
<v Speaker 2>I was interested, yeah, in horses and mules, just kind

0:55:32.600 --> 0:55:34.560
<v Speaker 2>of from a spectator.

0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:34.799
<v Speaker 1>Position, you know.

0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:40.680
<v Speaker 2>And but but no, Ty Evans it just salt of

0:55:40.719 --> 0:55:45.400
<v Speaker 2>the Earth guy, just fantastic guy. And uh, we're going

0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:47.160
<v Speaker 2>to try to get him to come to Northwest Arkansas

0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:49.600
<v Speaker 2>and do a clinic. He can't do it this year,

0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:53.480
<v Speaker 2>he's already booked up, but potentially in twenty seven.

0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:55.680
<v Speaker 1>He said he would do it.

0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:58.560
<v Speaker 5>So let me ask you this. Whenever he's talking about

0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:01.399
<v Speaker 5>making a bridal mule, I mean his level of commit

0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:06.319
<v Speaker 5>commitment six to eight years. Yes, what I mean, I

0:56:06.320 --> 0:56:09.000
<v Speaker 5>don't know what a bridle horse or bridle mule is,

0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:12.000
<v Speaker 5>but yeah, I mean that's a lot of a lot

0:56:12.040 --> 0:56:13.160
<v Speaker 5>of time in one animal.

0:56:13.719 --> 0:56:16.839
<v Speaker 2>I mean I probably know just a touch more than

0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:20.359
<v Speaker 2>you because we talked about it while we were in Utah.

0:56:20.719 --> 0:56:24.919
<v Speaker 2>But that term a bridle horse actually means something. It's

0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:30.839
<v Speaker 2>a category of training for a for a horse that

0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:36.680
<v Speaker 2>basically just it's it's a series you go from different bits.

0:56:37.719 --> 0:56:40.439
<v Speaker 1>You go from like this bit a hack, this bit.

0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:44.120
<v Speaker 5>I think it's a hack to a snaffle to solid Yeah,

0:56:44.160 --> 0:56:44.600
<v Speaker 5>I'm not.

0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:46.839
<v Speaker 1>Sure, something like that. It's a progression.

0:56:47.680 --> 0:56:49.960
<v Speaker 2>And then but by the time one is a bridal mule,

0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:53.640
<v Speaker 2>that it's just the Cadillac of all animals in terms

0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:59.759
<v Speaker 2>of control, safety, and yeah, very few people make bridle

0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:03.600
<v Speaker 2>ms today, you know that are actually like finishing them

0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:05.799
<v Speaker 2>out to that, And that's what he's trying to do

0:57:06.400 --> 0:57:08.359
<v Speaker 2>with And not everybody wants a bridle mule.

0:57:08.520 --> 0:57:12.319
<v Speaker 6>A highly trained, responsive rancher show horse, typically developed over

0:57:12.360 --> 0:57:17.040
<v Speaker 6>several years using the traditional VCO method. The extensive process

0:57:17.040 --> 0:57:21.400
<v Speaker 6>involves transitioning through different stages of headgear, results in a

0:57:21.440 --> 0:57:23.720
<v Speaker 6>finely tuned animal that could be ridden with subtle cues

0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:25.880
<v Speaker 6>and often with one hand on a loose train. The

0:57:25.960 --> 0:57:29.080
<v Speaker 6>ultimate goal is a reliable partner for ranch work and competition,

0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:34.400
<v Speaker 6>capable of complex maneuvers with minimal guidance. Also, it could

0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:38.800
<v Speaker 6>be referring to bridle mule a bridle horse, a horse

0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:41.480
<v Speaker 6>used in weddings, But I think he's talking.

0:57:41.200 --> 0:57:43.600
<v Speaker 5>About I don't think that's what he's talking about.

0:57:45.480 --> 0:57:46.919
<v Speaker 6>Those are the two options I got.

0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Are the mules that are could you call time two

0:57:49.880 --> 0:57:50.720
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars?

0:57:50.920 --> 0:57:50.960
<v Speaker 5>No?

0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:54.640
<v Speaker 1>What mules are selling for ninety thousand dollars? Well, okay,

0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:58.640
<v Speaker 1>the there was a mule.

0:57:58.440 --> 0:58:02.200
<v Speaker 2>At chrome in the canyon. So McClain Meekham and his

0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:05.320
<v Speaker 2>son Hunter are the ones who put on that chrome

0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:09.919
<v Speaker 2>in the canyon. Sale in Bryce Canyon, Utah. And last

0:58:09.960 --> 0:58:12.040
<v Speaker 2>year they had a mule sell for ninety thousand dollars.

0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:17.920
<v Speaker 2>And what I know about the deal is that there

0:58:17.960 --> 0:58:19.919
<v Speaker 2>was just some there were two people that just really

0:58:19.960 --> 0:58:22.760
<v Speaker 2>wanted that mule. Okay, I mean the mules was a

0:58:22.800 --> 0:58:26.040
<v Speaker 2>fantastic mule, but I think it's public knowledge that the

0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:29.000
<v Speaker 2>mule was sold for way less than that, like a

0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:33.280
<v Speaker 2>year before at a different sale or two years before. Okay,

0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:39.040
<v Speaker 2>So the mule was super gentle, super well trained, in

0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:41.960
<v Speaker 2>the prime of its life. It was a curly haired mule.

0:58:42.480 --> 0:58:46.840
<v Speaker 2>There's some there's some cross of a mule where they

0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:51.320
<v Speaker 2>get a little curl in their hair, which is unique,

0:58:51.400 --> 0:58:56.360
<v Speaker 2>it's not unheard of. And and just two people got

0:58:56.400 --> 0:58:58.880
<v Speaker 2>in a bidding war and they had plenty of.

0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:01.040
<v Speaker 6>Money values the eye of the beholder.

0:59:01.400 --> 0:59:03.960
<v Speaker 2>So but that I don't want to take anything away

0:59:03.960 --> 0:59:09.480
<v Speaker 2>from that mule, the mules that are selling for Every

0:59:09.560 --> 0:59:17.480
<v Speaker 2>mule cell has a different thing like and it's it's Yeah,

0:59:17.560 --> 0:59:21.640
<v Speaker 2>what I've learned is that every mule cell has a

0:59:21.640 --> 0:59:24.959
<v Speaker 2>different specialty. And I'm a little bit afraid to say

0:59:24.960 --> 0:59:26.960
<v Speaker 2>what those are because I'm not sure if we say

0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:27.640
<v Speaker 2>that out louder.

0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:31.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Oh do you think we should talk about speaking

0:59:31.960 --> 0:59:34.200
<v Speaker 6>of curly hair. Should we talk about Clay's hair?

0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

0:59:37.600 --> 0:59:41.120
<v Speaker 7>Should we talk about bears hair? We've been talking about

0:59:41.160 --> 0:59:44.280
<v Speaker 7>my hair. But your hair is out of control. I

0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:45.040
<v Speaker 7>would say.

0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:52.280
<v Speaker 3>It is a little I mean, it's been a lot

0:59:52.320 --> 0:59:54.200
<v Speaker 3>of years since we've seen you that much hair.

0:59:54.400 --> 0:59:56.360
<v Speaker 1>What do you think I should do? Josh, just let

0:59:56.440 --> 0:59:57.400
<v Speaker 1>her go or cut it?

0:59:57.840 --> 0:59:59.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm a bit torn, you know.

0:59:59.680 --> 1:00:02.080
<v Speaker 4>I I like to keep my hair pretty close cropped,

1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:04.400
<v Speaker 4>but I also don't have a head of hair like that,

1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:07.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, so maybe maybe like.

1:00:07.760 --> 1:00:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Just caught in the crosshairs of indecision.

1:00:10.040 --> 1:00:11.840
<v Speaker 4>Well, I think on the outside I would be like, yeah,

1:00:11.880 --> 1:00:14.800
<v Speaker 4>you definitely need to get your hair cut and be respectable.

1:00:14.800 --> 1:00:16.400
<v Speaker 4>But maybe on the inside I think, man if I

1:00:16.400 --> 1:00:19.840
<v Speaker 4>had hair like that, I'd probably grow it out. Okay, really,

1:00:20.080 --> 1:00:23.120
<v Speaker 4>I just yeah, he keeps the hair, keeps the hair

1:00:23.160 --> 1:00:24.080
<v Speaker 4>you wanted to keep the hair.

1:00:24.280 --> 1:00:27.120
<v Speaker 6>There's a day in Clay's life where he's not going

1:00:27.200 --> 1:00:28.640
<v Speaker 6>to have that beautiful frock of hair.

1:00:28.760 --> 1:00:29.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

1:00:29.640 --> 1:00:31.919
<v Speaker 3>I don't know that that that dude's cut some things.

1:00:31.920 --> 1:00:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Michael Lanier met me on the street the other day

1:00:34.440 --> 1:00:37.640
<v Speaker 2>and Prayer Grove, we just randomly were walking down the

1:00:37.720 --> 1:00:41.439
<v Speaker 2>street in downtown Pray Grove, Arkansas, and Michael was there.

1:00:41.600 --> 1:00:43.960
<v Speaker 2>We didn't know, and I'm pretty sure the first thing

1:00:43.960 --> 1:00:45.320
<v Speaker 2>he said to me was, you need a haircut.

1:00:46.960 --> 1:00:48.240
<v Speaker 5>We're right outside the barber.

1:00:50.920 --> 1:00:53.840
<v Speaker 1>And see when my Jedi master says that, I have

1:00:53.920 --> 1:00:58.680
<v Speaker 1>to kind of take it into consideration. But Michael would

1:00:58.800 --> 1:01:00.440
<v Speaker 1>be the guy that would say, get haircut.

1:01:00.680 --> 1:01:02.880
<v Speaker 3>At what point, Like, are you like, Okay, Clay, that's enough.

1:01:03.520 --> 1:01:05.760
<v Speaker 6>I don't know. I'll know it when when we get there.

1:01:05.920 --> 1:01:08.720
<v Speaker 6>I mean, he's got he's got some great hair. I've

1:01:08.760 --> 1:01:10.840
<v Speaker 6>got a vision for it right now. I think it

1:01:10.960 --> 1:01:14.080
<v Speaker 6>is given some you know, nostalgic vibes. This is kind

1:01:14.080 --> 1:01:15.920
<v Speaker 6>of what Clay's hair look like, except for where all

1:01:15.920 --> 1:01:18.000
<v Speaker 6>the gray is. It was frost tips, you know, in

1:01:18.040 --> 1:01:21.280
<v Speaker 6>the nineties when we were dating. Uh, so maybe there's

1:01:21.280 --> 1:01:21.959
<v Speaker 6>some of that there.

1:01:22.560 --> 1:01:26.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm also going to the Arctic for in a couple

1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:29.320
<v Speaker 2>of months, well less than in a month that half. Yeah,

1:01:29.680 --> 1:01:31.680
<v Speaker 2>and I'll tell you what a lot of hair does

1:01:31.760 --> 1:01:32.480
<v Speaker 2>keeps you warm?

1:01:32.600 --> 1:01:34.040
<v Speaker 3>Yep, absolutely, mm hmm.

1:01:34.280 --> 1:01:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1:01:35.080 --> 1:01:37.480
<v Speaker 6>We'll just see, we'll see what happens. Clay's hair has

1:01:37.560 --> 1:01:41.720
<v Speaker 6>historically grown out rather than down, you know. And so

1:01:41.800 --> 1:01:44.080
<v Speaker 6>there's a point where if it gets far enough out,

1:01:44.160 --> 1:01:47.200
<v Speaker 6>it's like let's let's let's do something. But right now

1:01:47.200 --> 1:01:51.680
<v Speaker 6>I think I think, I'm I'm pleased with what I see.

1:01:53.560 --> 1:01:55.560
<v Speaker 3>Wow, we're getting a real window into your marriage.

1:01:56.880 --> 1:01:57.919
<v Speaker 1>What more can be said?

1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:01.600
<v Speaker 3>What more can be I'm just gonna let my mustache go?

1:02:01.720 --> 1:02:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Then, yeah, you definitely should.

1:02:03.840 --> 1:02:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, how's it felt been in the Ta Covi's

1:02:07.480 --> 1:02:08.600
<v Speaker 2>hot seat?

1:02:09.480 --> 1:02:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Man, I mean you had to nail down the

1:02:11.320 --> 1:02:16.280
<v Speaker 1>price on your mule. Yeah. Wait, and thanks for coming here.

1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:18.480
<v Speaker 1>We are going to give you.

1:02:18.480 --> 1:02:21.200
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna get to to pick out a new pairt

1:02:21.320 --> 1:02:21.960
<v Speaker 2>of Takvis.

1:02:22.960 --> 1:02:27.880
<v Speaker 1>So there's a store here in Northwest Arkansas, and.

1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:30.000
<v Speaker 2>I've got a box. I've got a box of Ta

1:02:30.000 --> 1:02:33.080
<v Speaker 2>COB's right here. But we're gonna let you pick out

1:02:33.520 --> 1:02:36.640
<v Speaker 2>the kind of boots you want. And I had to

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<v Speaker 2>talk Michael into coming. Yeah, he wasn't gonna come. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, come on, man, you gotta come. You

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<v Speaker 2>gotta come to bring Willard. We'll get your pair of

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<v Speaker 2>to Covis.

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<v Speaker 4>And so he was like you had met Yeah, what

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<v Speaker 4>kind of what kind are you gonna get?

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<v Speaker 1>Just a pair of leather boots just like cowboy boots.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait for just.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, yeah, great styles you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, there's your your gift certificate right there there.

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<v Speaker 2>It is your Covi's boots. And uh, I think we're.

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<v Speaker 6>Gonna have to work on that. That handoff of the

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<v Speaker 6>box a little bit best. That needs to look better.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, great, well man, I'm excited about this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been good.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, don't forget about the Beargers YouTube channel. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not it's not launched yet. It's gonna launch in mid February,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're gonna go ahead and start talking about Let

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<v Speaker 2>me go ahead and say one more thing. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to open up the next render talking about this. If

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen the little, hazy eyed and distant the last

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<v Speaker 2>two and a half years, it's possible because I've been

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<v Speaker 2>working on a book for the last two and a

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<v Speaker 2>half years, behind the scenes, in the dark corner time,

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<v Speaker 2>in the dark corners of of this office, when no

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<v Speaker 2>one's watching.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been writing a book.

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<v Speaker 2>On February the first, the manuscript for that book is

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<v Speaker 2>due first, the original manuscript, and so me and my

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<v Speaker 2>team we will be submitting a basically ninety thousand word

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<v Speaker 2>manuscript of the book American Bear, which is still over

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<v Speaker 2>a year from being able to be purchased.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm just so excited about it. I really am.

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<v Speaker 1>I might just quit.

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<v Speaker 6>Life, not live everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I might just retire after the book's out. Bear can

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<v Speaker 1>take over, just trade mules and I like it.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, he's not going to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm excited about the book.

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<v Speaker 4>I've gotten to see a little bit of a window

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<v Speaker 4>into it, and folks, it's going to be good.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's there's never been a I can say with

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<v Speaker 2>certainty and not with with any kind of sense of pride,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's just not ever been a book written.

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<v Speaker 1>About this like this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about the American Black Bear, but it's an untold story.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody's ever told it like this. So I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 3>It'll fly off the shelves. I just know.

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<v Speaker 2>Will Well, there will come a day when I petition

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<v Speaker 2>those who listen to bear grease too. Yeah, exactly, like

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<v Speaker 2>all those all those years, come help me buy this book.

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<v Speaker 2>So start saving up your pennies because in twenty twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>a year from.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, to buy a book.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, start saving up your pennies.

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<v Speaker 2>Or if you've got more money than that and want

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<v Speaker 2>a mule Josh at the mediator dot com. Michael would

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<v Speaker 2>take fifteen grand for the mule, but you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>to come to Arkansas and pick it.

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<v Speaker 1>Up and ride it. Serious inquiries only. No traders, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no traders. We ain't trading. We ain't trading you nothing

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<v Speaker 1>but green backs, green.

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<v Speaker 3>Backs, straight up benjamins.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And no tire kickers.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, because I'm going to be fielding all the

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<v Speaker 3>tire kickers.

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<v Speaker 6>I think I'm going to need a compar to Covis

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<v Speaker 6>and a dealer.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, thanks everybody. Keep the wild places wild

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<v Speaker 2>because

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<v Speaker 1>That's where the bears live