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Speaker 1: My name is Clay nukelemb And.

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Speaker 2: This is a production of the bear Grease podcast called

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Speaker 2: The bear Grease Rendered, where we render down, dive deeper,

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Speaker 2: and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast,

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Speaker 2: presented by f h F Gear, American Maid, purpose built

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Speaker 2: hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged

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Speaker 2: as the place as we explore.

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Speaker 1: Well today is We've got.

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Speaker 2: A lot of ground to cover. I'm very excited about

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Speaker 2: all the things we're going to talk about. I'm mainly

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Speaker 2: excited about having Misty Neukomb back on the podcast after.

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Speaker 1: A long time.

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Speaker 3: You have fired.

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Speaker 2: While there's a lot of rumors that go around that

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Speaker 2: people get fired from the Render, only like four people.

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Speaker 1: Have ever been fired from the Render. I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 1: That was a joke. No one laughed. No one's ever

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Speaker 1: been fired.

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Speaker 3: I was curious enough I was one of them that yet.

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Speaker 1: No one's ever been fired for the Render.

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Speaker 2: Just just people come in and out of availability. People

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Speaker 2: things happen, and they just I mean, like Malachi Nichols.

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Speaker 2: I bet most people don't even remember maybe who Malachi was,

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Speaker 2: but he was an original render cast member and he

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Speaker 2: was with us.

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Speaker 3: And one on one of the very early Bear Grease episodes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean basically like just his job and

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Speaker 2: the amount of time it took to come down in

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Speaker 1: He just couldn't come.

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Speaker 2: So Misty's not been fired, she's just been busy, she's

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Speaker 2: been doing stuff.

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Speaker 1: So great to have you back. We got to have

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Speaker 1: Gary the Believer of Nu comeback on sometime as well.

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Speaker 3: Oh I thought he got fired.

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Speaker 2: Well, Dad may have been fired, but we'll rehire him. Uh,

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Speaker 2: we got Josh, We've got Bear John here. But in

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Speaker 2: the toa Covi's hot Seat you have, we have a

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Speaker 2: new new delineation that we're gonna put all our special

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Speaker 2: guests in, which is what we're gonna call the toa

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Speaker 2: Covi's hot Seat. And in case you don't know, I

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Speaker 2: wear I wear Ta Covi's every single day of my life.

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Speaker 2: John Mesco, my dad's the Believers, one of my belie

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Speaker 2: the Believer's best friends, John Mesco. All as a kid,

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Speaker 2: John Mesco wore cowboy boots and I remember him telling

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Speaker 2: me that cowboy boots are the most comfortable shoes in

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Speaker 2: the world if you if you break them in, and

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Speaker 2: I find that to be true. My feet get claustrophobic

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Speaker 2: when I tie shoes. I mean I can pop these

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Speaker 3: Break like in case you need to get in bed

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Speaker 2: Or I mean, I just I just I'm a boot man.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I'm very proud that to Covis Cove's

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Speaker 2: Boots at Austin, Texas is our new They're they're coming

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Speaker 2: along on the Bear Grease road Show with us. And

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Speaker 2: so we have a chair now for our special guest.

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Speaker 2: And my friend Michael Lanier is in the to Coves

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Speaker 2: hot seat tonight. And if you're listening to not watching,

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Speaker 2: you would see that this rock and chair actually has

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Speaker 2: a pair of to Covis boots on it.

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Speaker 1: YEA, so impressive.

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Speaker 2: SOI, Michael Michael has been introduced many times as my

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Speaker 2: Jedi master squirrel sensey.

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Speaker 4: That is that the title you most like appreciate? Is that,

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Speaker 4: like on your business card is a top of the list.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Actually, the our office lady got me business a

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Speaker 5: business card holder with a squirrel coming out of it.

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Speaker 1: Oh really?

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Speaker 2: All right, wow, so you're an electrician by trade, but

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Speaker 2: but Michael Michael helped me get into the squirrel world,

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Speaker 1: Jedi master Squirrel.

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Speaker 6: squirrel world that you've you've gotten into is.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's real clear a squirrel has a lot

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Speaker 1: There we go.

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Speaker 2: Somebody the other day asked me. They said something about

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Speaker 2: I was, I'm double booked, Like a squirrel has value

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Speaker 2: to me, was being treated by a dog. I mean,

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Speaker 2: only means something if he's been treated by a dog.

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Speaker 2: I agree, Sin say, yes, yeah, so big squirrel dog man.

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Speaker 2: Now right now, tell me about your dog situation right

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Speaker 2: now though, Michael, it's pretty bleak.

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Speaker 5: Okay, got two young dogs at the house, haven't hardly

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Speaker 5: They're barking at yard squirrels and that's about all they know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you go through a lot of squirrel dogs. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I mean Michael's one of these guys, like I've known

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Speaker 5: I don't mind giving a dog away to a friend

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that I could keep you in business

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't, I'm out. Yeah, I already have a

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, just check it, just check it out.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, well another failed business adventure, chucks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well we're going to talk on this episode about mules.

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Speaker 2: This is this is the mule episode. But before we

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Speaker 2: talk about mules, there's many things we've got to talk about.

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Speaker 2: First of all, in mid February, there is this is

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Speaker 2: a massive announcement. In mid February, Bear John Newcomb is

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Speaker 2: going to be the primary host of a new YouTube channel,

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Speaker 2: What Yes, So so what was formerly known as the

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Speaker 2: Bear Hunting Magazine YouTube channel is going to be the

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a whole lot of bear going out.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be YouTube native content. Bears been gathering content

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Speaker 7: Well, we've got we've got some squirrel, We've got some

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Speaker 7: a lot of self bow hunts. We've got an elk hunt,

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Speaker 7: we're gonna have a lot of hunts, a lot of

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's gonna be super exciting for Barry and I'll

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Speaker 2: to be really great.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's going to be good. Anything you want

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Speaker 2: to say about that, missy.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned last week their last render that I killed

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Speaker 3: That thing is awesome.

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Speaker 2: to show it off. Yeah, this is Jimney Christmas. Jimmy

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Speaker 2: Christmas showed up on Christmas Day and uh, hunting over.

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Speaker 2: I was nott in Oklahoma and uh hunting over supplemental

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Speaker 2: In my life, and uh it's both season over there

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Speaker 1: Just a cool place. But this deer has.

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Speaker 2: This time right here, is fourteen and six eight inches long,

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Speaker 3: It's an impressive rack. Man.

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Speaker 1: What did he score? Scored one sixty two and six saints.

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Speaker 2: We we actually thought he would score one seventy like me,

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Speaker 2: he wasn't a mass. He wasn't a big body deer

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Speaker 2: you would, right this deer on a two hundred fifty

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Speaker 4: It's basically the opposite of people on TV. The camera

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Speaker 2: So so we knew. My friend Forrest Teeter, who's the

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Speaker 2: and he said, Jiminy Christmas.

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Speaker 1: He about nailed it. I was a little lad.

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Speaker 2: I was a little upset with him because he was

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Speaker 2: under he said, he's I said, what do you think

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Speaker 2: that deer scores? And he said one fifty eight? And

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Speaker 2: I was just like, Forrest.

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Speaker 1: Bigger than that. My friend Jordan bliss It, who's very

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Speaker 3: What did Jordan say?

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Speaker 2: Jordan had him figured it between one fifty five and

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Speaker 2: think I'm sorry, one sixty five and one one sixty eight.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was.

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Speaker 2: But I kind of talked Jordan into I mean, by

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Speaker 2: the time it was done, we were like, man, that

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Speaker 2: deer probably score one seventy. I said it to several

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Speaker 2: Year and I was like, I think it is. And uh,

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Speaker 5: We're still friends, but I don't believe him.

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Speaker 2: Well, it would have been offensive. So I never answered Michael.

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Speaker 5: So what market are we on today?

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Speaker 1: We're in the American market.

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Speaker 2: What you guys don't know yet is we're actually going

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Speaker 1: Tell us about give us his stats.

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Speaker 5: I got a number in my head that I wouldn't

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Speaker 5: take any less for him. I'd just keep him. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I like him. He's a fourteen three nine years old

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Speaker 5: good and rough country. You can shoot off of him.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen to three men.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it's it's it's in the the prime height

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Speaker 2: If you were to ask most folks they'd say, I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how long have you had him?

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Speaker 1: He's a really sharp looking mule.

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Speaker 2: Well are you gonna tell us what you want for

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Speaker 2: and then we'll we'll talk about it. So let's go

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Speaker 2: get him. Okay, don't let tebo run between his legs. Okay, Michael,

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Speaker 5: Well, he's fourteen three nine years old horse mule, John mule.

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Speaker 5: You can shoot off of him, dogs, don't bother him.

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Speaker 5: Backs out of the trailer. Good, got a good stop.

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Speaker 2: He's got a really beautiful confirmation, like top end confirmation

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Speaker 1: You shoot a forty four magnum off of him.

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Speaker 5: Yep, he'll lope right off. He's got a nice low

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Speaker 2: But he's he's he's got a lot of energy, which

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Speaker 2: This mule is like a quarter horse. I mean, he's

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Speaker 2: And uh so that's why you said, you know, would

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Speaker 1: You absolutely could put a kid on that mule. But

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Speaker 2: But but this mule is gonna it's like putting a

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Speaker 2: I mean he might give it the spurs and right. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't have to stay any for him to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and nine years old is about pro when they're

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Speaker 5: Wow?

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Speaker 1: For real?

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Speaker 2: So before I mean from like six to nine years

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Speaker 1: This mule has been squirrel hunted off of a ton,

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Speaker 2: So somebody could buy this mule. We got to figure

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Speaker 2: And it ain't gonna be cheap.

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Speaker 5: It is not gonna be cheap. No. What I would say,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. This is not a beginner mule.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this this this mule is for somebody who's really

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Speaker 2: I would I would put my full weight behind anything.

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Speaker 5: Fifteen?

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Speaker 1: Fifteen?

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Speaker 5: Yep, dude, I want I wish.

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Speaker 1: He would have talked to me before he said that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was thinking.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking that he could get a lot more

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was. Actually I'm shocked at that number.

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Speaker 5: I'm good with fifteen.

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Speaker 2: We'll take twenty for the mule, Okay, contact me directly. No,

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Speaker 2: I think I think you'll sell that mule all day

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Speaker 5: Somebody whoever wants to buy. If somebody was wanting to

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Speaker 5: to go riding.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Now he's he's beautiful. He really is.

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Speaker 2: He's a top, top notch mule. Willard is his name, Willard?

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Speaker 6: Well, awesome, he's kind of a messy eater.

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Speaker 1: He's a little bit of a messy eater.

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Speaker 5: His teeth were floated last year, So.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we need to do it to Covi's mule sale

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Speaker 1: Oh for real, Michael, I actually thought.

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Speaker 2: You were gonna say I'd take twenty three thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: for this mule. Nope, okay, that you sell that mule

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Speaker 2: all day for fifteen. But it's to the right people. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's to somebody that's a that's an outfitter

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Speaker 1: Really to go.

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Speaker 2: These guys around here that hog hunt on mules that

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Speaker 2: that mule would just be as good as they make.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, he's beautiful. Well okay, so Josh, how can

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Speaker 2: we how can people get in touch with us? Let's

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Speaker 2: give him an email. Don't let Tebow run out through

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Speaker 2: that mule's legs while it's bad. Puppy, get back. We've

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Speaker 2: got another dog coming in here. Get back, dog. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: we got a dog trying to come in behind this mule.

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Speaker 2: Send send your queries to Josh at the.

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Speaker 1: Metheater dot com and he will get you in touch

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Speaker 1: with Michael in there. Okay, So you don't think your

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Speaker 5: No, she will not. Why because she feels like I'll

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Speaker 2: Why okay, why are you selling the meals? So if

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Speaker 2: I didn't know you, i'd say, why are you selling

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Speaker 2: the mule?

442
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 5: Because I want to buy another mule, a younger mayor mule.

443
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 5: Just start riding it. I've got another mule I just

444
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 5: bought back in May, and I've been riding her a lot.

445
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Speaker 5: I haven't wrote him since I don't know when, four

446
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 5: or five months. Maybe. Well, I just don't feel like,

447
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 5: well you.

448
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: You did, you did right? You have ridden him since then?

449
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: Did you take him squirrel hunting the other day?

450
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 5: No? I rode my new mule Phyllis. Okay, yeah, I

451
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 5: rode her like six out of eight days.

452
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 1: What days? What did you ride the other days?

453
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 5: We rode hunting?

454
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 1: Oh?

455
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, I was thinking you rode him six out

456
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 5: of eight days that I was riding mules.

457
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

458
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, uh so you says, it's not like she

459
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: likes Willard. She just you just think she just thinks

460
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 2: you're gonna regret selling him. Correct, Yeah, yeah, okay, but I.

461
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 5: Mean they just got my my kids got me a

462
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 5: black and white picture, oh to hang up in the

463
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 5: new house for Christmas. Oh yeah, it's just kind of

464
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 5: he's been around a while.

465
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what do you think, Bear, you think you

466
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: should sell it?

467
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 7: I mean it sounds like it might be the move

468
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 7: if you can't, you know, if you don't have the

469
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 7: time to ride a bunch of mules.

470
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Speaker 2: Well, Michael's kind of an animal. He's kind of a

471
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: he moves through a lot of animals do, and and

472
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: they're always good. Are There's some people that move through

473
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 2: animals that you're like, you don't want to get something

474
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: from him. Michael's not that guy. Michael's moving through stuff

475
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: just because he loves them, and he's and he's he's

476
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 2: kind of shuffling dogs around to different people and training

477
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: dogs and different stuff. And I kind of feel like

478
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 2: this is partly why I brought you here. I feel

479
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: like this kind of, you know, psychologically, you're just kind

480
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: of you've you've you've used up Willard.

481
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: Okay, in in in the in in in your heart.

482
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: It's just there's no space in your heart for Willard.

483
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: I mean, you've had him, you know what he can do,

484
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: and you're just ready to move on.

485
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 3: Is it a midlife crisis that you're trying to get

486
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 3: a younger model? No, okay, just.

487
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 5: Checking the mule I'm riding now is six?

488
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 3: Okay?

489
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: Well, there is something to be said for riding a

490
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: mule like Easy. Like when I get on Easy, who

491
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 2: I've now had for nine years or so, it's it

492
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 2: loses some of the excitement. Now there's a satisfaction that

493
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: comes from just a animal that you just know what's

494
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 2: gonna happen. Right, But half of the fun of riding

495
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 2: a mule is is training it, seeing it develops, seeing

496
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: it grow, and a little bit of that just uncertainty even.

497
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: And so when you have one that you just know

498
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: what's going to happen, you're less likely to just run

499
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: out there and saddle it up and ride around. I mean,

500
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: so I'm the same way I would. I like to

501
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: have one up and coming, you know, not all the time,

502
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: but fair bit of the time.

503
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Speaker 3: Michael, did you grow up riding mules?

504
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 5: Horses?

505
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: Horses?

506
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 5: I got into mules when was it. When did you

507
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 5: make that one hundred dollars squirrel.

508
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: Hunt dollar squirrel video would have been like twenty sixteen.

509
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 5: So I probably started riding mules in twenty fifteen, okay,

510
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 5: year before that.

511
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

512
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: How many meals do you think you've owned since then?

513
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 5: So I got three now probably six seven.

514
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's not like you just cycled through thirty meals.

515
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 5: Now. Some of them came and went really quick. They're

516
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 5: pretty crazy.

517
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, well that that is.

518
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: A really nice mule. That is a nice, very nice mual.

519
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: For sure.

520
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: Bear's been training his meal yep, slow trap all slow

521
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: trapm about this week.

522
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 7: I'm gonna try and shoot off of them for the

523
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 7: first time.

524
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna go hunt. We're gonna go hunt. Try

525
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: to take it on his first big squirrel hunt.

526
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 2: Well that brings up let's talk about this episode. So

527
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 2: on the first when I first started bear Grease was

528
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: I wrote out twenty six potential Beargrease episodes with the

529
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 2: intent to mock out a year of barg grease because

530
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: the Beargrease Proper documentary comes out, you know, every two weeks,

531
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: So twenty six a year and on the list, high

532
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: on the list was a mule episode with ty Evans

533
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 2: five years ago.

534
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: I actually talked to Tye.

535
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 2: On the phone five years ago and we were we

536
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: were like going back and forth on how to record

537
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: with him. I mean we were just I was just

538
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: like just that close to pulling the trigger and there

539
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: was some issues. Well we just couldn't. I couldn't go

540
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: up there at that moment. And so this has been

541
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: in the works for a long time. Ty and I

542
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: went and in Mountainline hunted with acclaim meekum Uh in

543
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: Utah in December.

544
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: So I was with Tie for a week up there.

545
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: And in that week, you know, on the eppic so,

546
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: Tye said that we had ridden sixty eight miles. We

547
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: actually ended up riding over eighty, not counting the it's

548
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: hard to describe it. He talked about he ponied some

549
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: mules for a ways like that. I wasn't with him.

550
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: That's the reason he was saying he had a few

551
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: more miles than me, which was true. But by the

552
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: time we got done, we actually rode eighty miles in

553
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: five days and it was, oh my goodness, it was.

554
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: It was a lot and through rough, rough country like

555
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: we were on trails occasionally, but mainly just just following dogs,

556
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: you know. And so just being there that week with

557
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: Tye is when I really heard the full story of

558
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: his really transformation, that's a good word to use to

559
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: describe it, from the way he used to train, which

560
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: he grew up in this training family and his dad

561
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: was a mule and horse trainer, and so the cowboy

562
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: way of breaking a horse or mule is just that

563
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: just go grab a grab a wild mustang off the range,

564
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: rope it, put it in a corral, catch it, put

565
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: a saddle on it, get on it, and just buck

566
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: it out. I mean that's kind of that's an exaggerated,

567
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: shortened version, but I mean that's kind of what the

568
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: cowboy way was, and that's the way a lot of

569
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: horse training, mule training was done for generations and still

570
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: still is done by many people.

571
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: And it does work.

572
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: That's the thing is that it actually does produce an

573
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: animal that you can ride and that can be safe.

574
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: But these these guys practicing natural horsemanship started coming around,

575
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: and it's not like one person just discovered this, Like,

576
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: it wasn't Buck Brandnaman just all on his own. He

577
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: was one that became really famous for it, and well

578
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: known Pat Parelli, Ray Hunt, the Dornce Brothers, many others.

579
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not even qualified to start name dropping

580
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: these names, but these are the people that that that

581
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: started this natural horsemanship stuff where you actually started to

582
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: try to understand the way a horse or mule fought

583
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: as opposed to just inflicting, you know, kind of your

584
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: will on this animal.

585
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: It is. It was really wild. We watched the Kids documentary.

586
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I love that documentary.

587
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: It was.

588
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 6: It's quite moving.

589
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: It is the yeah, the Buck documentary.

590
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 6: And that was before we had mules. I mean, that

591
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 6: was before we were people. And at that time we

592
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 6: watched it and and we're it was. It was very moving.

593
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: Anybody could watch it and it would be massively interesting.

594
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was. It was.

595
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: You watched it.

596
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 5: Yeah it's good.

597
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good. Yeah, you watched it, Josh.

598
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: Back in the day, back in the day, Yeah, Buck brandonman, Yeah, Well,

599
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: what what stood out to y'all in the episode? So

600
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: I was, I was, I was in it deep neck

601
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: deep with tie. What stood out to y'all.

602
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: Listening to it? Just cold turkey? Who who will go first?

603
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 5: Lad?

604
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: We're I can go first? Okay? Like this.

605
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 7: That was a lot because as many people know, I've

606
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 7: been working with Slow Trap and he's been the first

607
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 7: mule that I've ever trained, but I trained him using

608
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 7: the natural horsemanship. I went over to uh uh eld

609
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 7: Mid Yeah, and he kind of showed me the ropes

610
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 7: on that pressure and release, kind of learned the fundamental

611
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 7: principles of it. And then I trained Slow Trap this

612
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 7: summer and could really see the you know, really kind

613
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 7: of saw that unfold, like what it really looks like.

614
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 7: And the biggest thing that I noticed was what Tye

615
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 7: was saying was that you can't ask that mule to

616
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 7: be something that you're not and it it. It really

617
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 7: made sense to me after training Slow Trap that like

618
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 7: if you know, like when a lot of my flaws

619
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 7: would reflect in his behavior pretty much. Shaggy hair, yeah

620
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 7: he doesn't. He does need a haircut right now, so

621
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 7: just his so did his partner bears.

622
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: Uh.

623
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 7: But I really liked the podcast because it kind of

624
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 7: displayed a lot of those principles and I think they're

625
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 7: they're really powerful principles just in life. Like after training

626
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 7: Slow Trap, I kind of looked at the way that

627
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 7: I did everything differently, Like I looked at the way

628
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 7: that I looked I made bows differently. I mean I

629
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 7: saw that, like the the Boa, my bows that I

630
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 7: was making in a lot of ways were a reflection

631
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 7: of me as a craftsman. Like if I was taking shortcuts,

632
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 7: that bow was going to take shortcuts, and it was

633
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 7: you know, it wasn't going to perform the way he

634
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 7: needed to. And then it, you know, it just kind

635
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 7: of like rippled out through all the areas of my life.

636
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 7: But I really liked the episode because it's a it's

637
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 7: a it's a really it's a good way, like you

638
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 7: can really understand it with the mules whenever you're training

639
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 7: an animal. It but that principle kind of can ripple

640
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 7: all through your life.

641
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I think that's I think that's the the

642
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 6: thing and that I think that's what stood out about

643
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 6: even when we watched the Buck film a long time ago,

644
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 6: is this whole idea that you can't expect people, you

645
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 6: can't ask people to do what you've not to become

646
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 6: who you've not become. And and I think as a

647
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 6: parent that that is a super important concept. I'm an

648
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 6: educator in education, you can apply that principle. You can

649
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 6: really apply it. You can apply it anywhere. And and

650
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 6: I think that that's that's what was really meaningful to me.

651
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 6: You and I talked about this whenever you came back,

652
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 6: and you were easy as the first maybe the first

653
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 6: or second mule you ever trained, the.

654
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: First when I fully trained.

655
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, and she's she's she's sassy.

656
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: She's sassy, she's sassy.

657
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 6: And uh and and I think that that probably is

658
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 6: a reflection of you know, Clay's a little Sassy's true,

659
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 6: but I'm not not not even that You're just you

660
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 6: were probably a little shorter with Izzy. It's kind of

661
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 6: interesting watching you Traine Banjo, watching Izzy, watching Bear train,

662
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 6: work with Banjo, and work with this with slow Trap.

663
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 6: You know, Slow Trap. We joke around that he's practically

664
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 6: a dog, like he'll come to a whistle's he's yeah,

665
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 6: he's he's pretty funny as a mule. He's not a.

666
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 1: He's super general, super.

667
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,959
Speaker 6: General, super laid back. Barry answers to his name.

668
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: Uh, kind of like be kind.

669
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 6: Yeah. And it's just it's it's just kind of interesting

670
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 6: and and it brings up I just thought the podcast

671
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 6: brought up a lot of, you know, bigger ideas that

672
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 6: whole thing of you have to you have to change,

673
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 6: you have to transform to get the people around you

674
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 6: to transform, the people that you're leading to transform. And

675
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 6: I think that was such a big principle inside of parenting,

676
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 6: like you can't ask your kids to be well behaved, well,

677
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 6: I think if you're you know, angry and all that.

678
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 6: But I also think there's a there's the podcast. It's

679
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 6: something else I thought was kind of interesting that I

680
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 6: wasn't expecting. And that was the part about just kind

681
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 6: of putting putting away the ways that you're you're maybe

682
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 6: the past, yeah, coming into new ways of doing things

683
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 6: and yeah.

684
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: Uh.

685
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 6: And I think that those two things can merge really well,

686
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 6: even inside of our lives, you know, like there would

687
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 6: be things that we would have done in the past

688
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 6: that we wouldn't do anymore, right, I mean, I think

689
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 6: it's a I think it's a good it's a good

690
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 6: podcast to think about those things.

691
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: So the so this book.

692
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: I talked about this book and I didn't really mention

693
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: the significance that it had in the industry, but this

694
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: book evidence based horsemanship.

695
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: I believe I've got it right here. Where is it?

696
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: I've got it somewhere here it is steps on myself.

697
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: This book right here, Evidence Based Horsemanship. Before I ever

698
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: had meals, I read that book. A guy just mentioned

699
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: it and was like, hey, you should read it, and

700
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: I did, and a whole premise.

701
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: Of it was the way that the.

702
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: Equine industry has been trained in animals is just not

703
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: the right way, and so you're going to have to, like,

704
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: you know, going back to that one quote about just

705
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: because you know it's been done this way for for

706
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,479
Speaker 2: fifty years, doesn't negate that it could be done wrong

707
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: for fifty years. And this, Oh, I could talk about

708
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 2: that book. I could talk about that book forever. But

709
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 2: the thing that I remember from this is that humans

710
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 2: look at something and we assume that it thinks like us.

711
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: And this neuroscientist talks about how a horse or mule

712
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 2: doesn't have a place in his brain to like you

713
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 2: or dislike you, like like I like, or dislike Josh

714
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: he and they actually talk about the brain science of

715
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: a horse and mule have these huge brains, but most

716
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: of it is for control of actual physical elements of

717
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: the body to control all these muscles, like you need

718
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: a bigger hard drive to be able to control twelve

719
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: hundred pounds of muscle, and the frontal lobe of the

720
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: horse or the mule is very small, and a human

721
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 2: frontal lobe is very big. And all the things that

722
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: make us human that you know, like our ability to reason,

723
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: our ability to love, our ability to think about spiritual

724
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: things like to me, like the breath of God that

725
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: makes us human. Like where that stuff happens, a lot

726
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: of it is registered in in the frontal lobe of

727
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: a human and a horse just basically doesn't have one,

728
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: or has a small one. And uh so when you

729
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 2: go out in the pasture, like a common thing in

730
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: the equine world would be like, oh, that horse doesn't

731
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: like me. And basically this book is like that horse

732
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: doesn't have an option in its brain to like you

733
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: or dislike you. What he is focused on is security,

734
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: uh leadership. I mean, an equine animal has one question

735
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: to answer when you walk up to it, and it's

736
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: the only language that it knows is who's in charge.

737
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: It's like if if I had, if if the simplicity

738
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: of my operating capacity as a human, it basically was

739
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,959
Speaker 2: just one thing, Like I would walk up to every

740
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: person I met and I would go who's in charge?

741
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 2: You were me, who's in charge? You were me like,

742
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: that's the only question I have And I mean, in

743
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 2: a way, that's the way an equine animal is. And

744
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: when you set the tone for you being the leader,

745
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 2: it's fine with that. But if you don't answer that question,

746
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: you're going to have problems. And then and then obviously

747
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: every animal is a little bit different when we're going

748
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: to be harder. But but this, this book dispels a

749
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: ton of myths about training. And this is not all

750
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: about natural horsemanship, but it kind of bleeds into what

751
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: Brandaman and and uh all these guys were talking about.

752
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, and you talking about Isy. This first

753
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 2: mule that I trained, my insecurity as a trainer translated

754
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: into me being really harsh with her, not like not

755
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: like abusive, but just harsh like when she didn't do

756
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: what I wanted. Honestly, I was intimidated by that. And

757
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: so rather than like finding a better way, a better

758
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: way to ask it a question, essentially, in training, you're

759
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 2: asking an animal a question. You're saying, will you turn

760
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 2: to the right, will you turn to the left? Will

761
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: you follow my leadership? And basically my intimidation with not

762
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: really understanding the animals. When it wouldn't do what I wanted,

763
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: I would just come in harder with the same question,

764
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: and finally it would do it. But my intensity would

765
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: rise so much so would hers, and all of a

766
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: sudden you had this like massive tension.

767
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: And to this day is these like that. Part of

768
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: it's probably just.

769
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: Her nature, but part of it absolutely goes back to

770
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: her training. Yeah, and she's become a really a mule

771
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: that I love and can do anything on the world on.

772
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: But your animal reflects what you put out and what

773
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: I take away from it, what I've learned inside of

774
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: training an animal.

775
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: Is this the energy that we put out as people.

776
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 2: And I don't mean sometimes using that phraseology might sound

777
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: like something weird or something.

778
00:41:58,880 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about something.

779
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 2: I'm literally talking about the the energy that we put

780
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: out just with our personality, the way we speak, our

781
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 2: blood pressure, like being high or low, I mean affects

782
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: people around us. And uh and and Ty talked about

783
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: being flat. Actually I can't remember if on this episode

784
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: that you're not, But man, when you're around an equine animal,

785
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: it's like being able to just like drop your blood press,

786
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: just drop your expectations and it helps so much. But

787
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: I think there's we can't ask an animal to be

788
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 2: something that you're not. Can't yell at your kids and

789
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 2: tell them to calm down, while you yourself are yelling at

790
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 2: your kids.

791
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, not calm Well, it makes me, It makes me

792
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 6: think a lot. We talk with with new teachers a

793
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 6: lot about control because because like you were describing yourself

794
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 6: with Izzy, control is like a new teacher is insecure.

795
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 6: They don't. I mean, it's the scariest thing you've ever done,

796
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 6: is stand up in front of a group of teenagers

797
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 6: and or preschoolers and ask them to do what I mean.

798
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 6: It's just terrifying. And because you don't know if they're

799
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 6: gonna do it or not, and that they feel it,

800
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 6: they know it, and they know that that you are

801
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 6: and and your tendency is to grasp for greater control

802
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 6: in those moments. It's like I feel insecure, and so

803
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm gonna try to hold this tighter, I'm

804
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 6: gonna be more and I'll get it and it it

805
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 6: just never works. It never works. The the kids respond

806
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 6: to the person.

807
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: Who's who's certainty con.

808
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, confidence, certainty and also just what you're putting on them.

809
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 6: Like they don't your respect for them. Yeah, yeah, no,

810
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 6: I mean your respect for them. It's like, yeah, sometimes

811
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 6: you just need law in order, but sometimes you just

812
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 6: need to hear, give them a voice, let them hear

813
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 6: what they have to say. You don't need to just

814
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 6: control every single thing. And so yeah, sometimes if you

815
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 6: put that on them, if you your control and your

816
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 6: desire to to manage them, if you put that on them,

817
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 6: they're going to buck against that. You have to kind

818
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 6: of respect who they are and respect that this is

819
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 6: their space as well. And and let's all let's hear

820
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 6: what you've got to say.

821
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, I thought I thought that point because Time made

822
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 7: that same point. Yea said, they can see they know

823
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 7: when you know, and they know when you don't.

824
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's the truth. Yeah.

825
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 7: Whatever, you're riding a mule, if you give it anything,

826
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 7: it'll it'll take everything. Yeah, because it's just like if

827
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 7: you put someone in like whenever I first started riding mules,

828
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 7: you know, I wasn't too strict on what the you know,

829
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 7: whenever they'd eat grass or something, and then throughout the

830
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 7: ride they'd start eating more and more and more, and

831
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 7: then you'd kind of lose control of them. Because they

832
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 7: don't want to stop every time. Yeah, they see grass

833
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 7: to eat, right. I thought that was a was an

834
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 7: interesting point.

835
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that was good, Michael. What stood out to you?

836
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 5: The leadership part of it stood out to me. I

837
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 5: mean I've seen it within companies where you know, whoever's

838
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 5: running it, if they're not the best to work for,

839
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 5: not the best to be around. You know, say they're

840
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 5: a screamer, maybe they're not very confident, so they just

841
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 5: you know, just jump up and down to try to

842
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 5: get their point across that. It just it trickles down

843
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 5: to everybody around them.

844
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 6: M m yeah. Yeah.

845
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: What about with what about with mules?

846
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 2: Did you like there wasn't any real specific meal training stuff.

847
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 2: I get we weren't really like trying to teach people

848
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: how to train a mule necessarily, but I don't know,

849
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: did you do you hear anything that stood out to you?

850
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 5: Well, I'll listen to the you know, he said make

851
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 5: the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard. Yeah,

852
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 5: And I was a little bit like I don't completely

853
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 5: understand that, Like I get making the right thing easy, yeah,

854
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 5: but if you walk up and you're wanting your meal

855
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 5: to jump up on that rock and you, you sit

856
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 5: there and spend it in circles, go around the rock

857
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 5: five hundred times, I mean an hour later. I mean

858
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 5: making that right thing easy would be me putting the

859
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 5: spurs in its ribs until it gets up on that rock. Yeah,

860
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know if that. I have no

861
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 5: idea what he's trying to say there, Like what would

862
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 5: the wrong thing?

863
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 2: Well, here's here's the best example that i've got. And Tie,

864
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: if you were here, I have no doubt he could

865
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: give us many great examples. But like when they he

866
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: told me one time that he had a mule. I

867
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 2: can't remember the exact scenario forgive me, tye, but like

868
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: there was a mule that was worried about going through

869
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: a gate, and every time they got to the gate,

870
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: the mule would start to get kind of watchy and

871
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: and and wanting to not go through it. And so

872
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: he started riding like big circles around the arena. And

873
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: every time he would get to the gate, he would

874
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 2: try to stop to let the mule rest in the

875
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: zone that it was nervous, and if it was nervous

876
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: and uneasy, he'd just ride it again and and and basically,

877
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: the right thing to do was to be confident and

878
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: go through the gate. And he made it hard everywhere

879
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 2: else but the gate. You see what I'm saying, Does

880
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: that make sense? That's may not be the exactly what

881
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: he did, but that would be one example of it.

882
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,479
Speaker 2: And it's it is a lot easier to visualize making

883
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: the right thing easy. And that's one of the biggest

884
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: thing with riding these animals is and and I make

885
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: this mistake probably every time I ride, but you can

886
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: tell for sure when somebody's doesn't know what they're doing.

887
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: They asked the mule to do something that the mule

888
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: is not going to do, and then and then the

889
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 2: mule doesn't do it, and then the mule is like, well,

890
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: this guy's not in charge because he told me to

891
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 2: do that, I didn't do it, and now we're just

892
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 2: riding up the trail, you know. And and so that's

893
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: when I ride with new people, I'm just like, whatever

894
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 2: you ask it to do, make sure it does it.

895
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: From small things to just going around the tree, to

896
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 2: backing up to stopping to going into a.

897
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: Trot or just whatever.

898
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: Just make sure that the commands that you give are

899
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: clear and that you make the animal follow through with

900
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 2: what you've asked it to do, and it's not hard

901
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: on it. But like Bear said, you put a kid

902
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: on even a good mule, you can put a kid.

903
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 2: You could put a kid on a fifteen thousand dollars

904
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 2: mule and by in two hours, in twenty minutes, that

905
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 2: mule might just be wandering around doing what it wanted do.

906
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: I mean, just because it's they're very perceptive of a mule,

907
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: will will elevate and lower to the skill of the rider.

908
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of.

909
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: Mule guys say that that when you're selling the mule,

910
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: you're like, I mean, you got to make sure the

911
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: person that's riding the mule knows what's going on, you know, and.

912
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: So but anything else say out to you, Michael.

913
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 5: Or Josh, something did well.

914
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 4: I I when I listened to it, I've I had

915
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 4: a great appreciation for just tie his process into the

916
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 4: whole thing, you know, watching his dad break horses and

917
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 4: horses the cowboy way, and I have really great appreciation

918
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 4: for someone who can watch that and not condemn it,

919
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 4: but also watch that and then and then find ways

920
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 4: to do it better, Like as a father. You know,

921
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 4: I look back and I made some I made some

922
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 4: boneheaded mistakes raising my kids, and I want my kids,

923
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 4: you know, I think there's a lot of people who, like,

924
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 4: I want my kids to raise raise their kids like

925
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 4: I did. I want my kids to do it better

926
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 4: than I did. And I think ty was able to say, hey,

927
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 4: that worked for a time, but there's a better way,

928
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 4: and not condemn that, but be able to just take

929
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 4: these new things that he observed and that he learned.

930
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 4: I appreciate how he applied himself to learning something different,

931
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 4: something that other people hadn't done in the past, and

932
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 4: became successful with it. I mean, that's the thing that

933
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 4: makes people stand out that I think that really shows

934
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 4: the character of who Tye is. And I think that's

935
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 4: the thing that really stood out to me the most.

936
00:50:58,800 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

937
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a hard thing to do something different. I mean,

938
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 2: I guess there's some version of fatherhood and sonhood or

939
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: just parents where you know, there's some people out there

940
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 2: that would say, oh, I knew for sure I was

941
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: not going to do things like my mom and dad did.

942
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: But it's not even about father and son. It's more

943
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 2: about what's the cultural norm for the way things are

944
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: done and what it could be.

945
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: In electrical work.

946
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: It could be in training mules, it could be in hunting,

947
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: it could be in business, it could be.

948
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: But just to be able to have enough.

949
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: Overarching perspective to see that something's being done like completely

950
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: the wrong way and be able to transform to somebody.

951
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: To me, that's what always appealed to me about natural

952
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: horsemanship is that it was just like so different. And

953
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: uh it was kind of cool though to see tie

954
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: uh and to to see him, Uh he was a

955
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: bronk rider before, which being a bronc rider literally is

956
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 2: you're purposely getting onto the back of an untrained animal,

957
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 2: right and bucking with it just because it's fun. And uh,

958
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 2: I know when I was making videos about training mules,

959
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 2: uh nine years ago, a bucking mule video does better

960
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 2: than a non bucking mule video. And so I trained

961
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 2: is he and my version, you know, just the best

962
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: way I knew how. But it was very heavily influenced

963
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: by several of these natural horsemanship guys.

964
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 1: And she never bucked.

965
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 2: I mean, you know when it finally came to get

966
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: on her, you know, I remember I did this countdown

967
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: on YouTube. Oh it was good, Michael, where I was like, Okay,

968
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 2: I've trained her trained or trainer trainer. Today, I'm getting

969
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 2: on her for the first time, and I did this

970
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: countdown one or you know, ten nine eight, and I'm I'm,

971
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: you know, like holding onto the saddle and kind of

972
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,479
Speaker 2: shaking the saddle and slapping her on the back letting

973
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 2: her know I'm about to get on. And you know,

974
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 2: the viewer is just thinking, oh, this sucker is just

975
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: gonna buck him off when he gets on there, and

976
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: you know, I throw my leg over and she just

977
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: kind of sits there, does nothing, won't even move and

978
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: I get off, and I mean.

979
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: It's like probably probably didn't go viral.

980
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 2: It's one of the best videos on the former Bear

981
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: Honey magazine now Bear Grease channel.

982
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it got like multiple millions of yous.

983
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 2: Actually, but but Bear kind of ran into the same

984
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: thing he was. He was making some videos of training

985
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: slow Trap, and Slow Trap did the exact same thing. So,

986
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 2: I mean, Ty was saying, it's kind of fun when

987
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 2: they buck. But if you're buying an animal from somebody,

988
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to buy one that they bucked out. No,

989
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 2: I would want to buy one that never bucked.

990
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: Up kicking his life.

991
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 6: You know.

992
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: But who trained Willard H.

993
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 5: Warren Campbell owned him. That's who I bought him from.

994
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,439
Speaker 5: And I believe he took him to an Amish guy

995
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 5: to get him started, and then Warren wrote him. He

996
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 5: wrote him a lot like that's where he got his

997
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 5: name Willard from the Amish.

998
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: Oh, the Amish called him Willard.

999
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 5: Warren told me he went to tie the mule up

1000
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 5: at the Amish guy's place and he was talking to

1001
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 5: the guy and his the son, the Almish son come

1002
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 5: riding his bike down the driveway, stopped and skid, you know,

1003
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 5: turned his bike real sharp right there by the mule.

1004
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 5: And the guy was like, now, Willard, you can't be

1005
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 5: doing that. Yeah, and so Warren would tell the story better.

1006
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 5: But I believe that.

1007
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: So Warren was like, this mule's name is Willard. Yeah,

1008
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: that's a great that's good. That's good, that's good.

1009
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 2: Well, it's a good name, Willard, Willard. Well this I

1010
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 2: hope these episodes have been entertaining for people that aren't

1011
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 2: into equine animals. I know, before I was into equine animals,

1012
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: I was interested, yeah, in horses and mules, just kind

1013
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: of from a spectator.

1014
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: Position, you know.

1015
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: And but but no, Ty Evans it just salt of

1016
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 2: the Earth guy, just fantastic guy. And uh, we're going

1017
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: to try to get him to come to Northwest Arkansas

1018
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: and do a clinic. He can't do it this year,

1019
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 2: he's already booked up, but potentially in twenty seven.

1020
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: He said he would do it.

1021
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 5: So let me ask you this. Whenever he's talking about

1022
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 5: making a bridal mule, I mean his level of commit

1023
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 5: commitment six to eight years. Yes, what I mean, I

1024
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 5: don't know what a bridle horse or bridle mule is,

1025
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 5: but yeah, I mean that's a lot of a lot

1026
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 5: of time in one animal.

1027
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 2: I mean I probably know just a touch more than

1028
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 2: you because we talked about it while we were in Utah.

1029
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,919
Speaker 2: But that term a bridle horse actually means something. It's

1030
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 2: a category of training for a for a horse that

1031
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: basically just it's it's a series you go from different bits.

1032
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 1: You go from like this bit a hack, this bit.

1033
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 5: I think it's a hack to a snaffle to solid Yeah,

1034
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 5: I'm not.

1035
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: Sure, something like that. It's a progression.

1036
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: And then but by the time one is a bridal mule,

1037
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 2: that it's just the Cadillac of all animals in terms

1038
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 2: of control, safety, and yeah, very few people make bridle

1039
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: ms today, you know that are actually like finishing them

1040
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: out to that, And that's what he's trying to do

1041
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 2: with And not everybody wants a bridle mule.

1042
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 6: A highly trained, responsive rancher show horse, typically developed over

1043
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 6: several years using the traditional VCO method. The extensive process

1044
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 6: involves transitioning through different stages of headgear, results in a

1045
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 6: finely tuned animal that could be ridden with subtle cues

1046
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 6: and often with one hand on a loose train. The

1047
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 6: ultimate goal is a reliable partner for ranch work and competition,

1048
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 6: capable of complex maneuvers with minimal guidance. Also, it could

1049
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 6: be referring to bridle mule a bridle horse, a horse

1050
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 6: used in weddings, But I think he's talking.

1051
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 5: About I don't think that's what he's talking about.

1052
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:46,919
Speaker 6: Those are the two options I got.

1053
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: Are the mules that are could you call time two

1054
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: thousand dollars?

1055
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 5: No?

1056
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: What mules are selling for ninety thousand dollars? Well, okay,

1057
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: the there was a mule.

1058
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 2: At chrome in the canyon. So McClain Meekham and his

1059
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: son Hunter are the ones who put on that chrome

1060
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 2: in the canyon. Sale in Bryce Canyon, Utah. And last

1061
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 2: year they had a mule sell for ninety thousand dollars.

1062
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 2: And what I know about the deal is that there

1063
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 2: was just some there were two people that just really

1064
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: wanted that mule. Okay, I mean the mules was a

1065
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: fantastic mule, but I think it's public knowledge that the

1066
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 2: mule was sold for way less than that, like a

1067
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 2: year before at a different sale or two years before. Okay,

1068
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 2: So the mule was super gentle, super well trained, in

1069
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 2: the prime of its life. It was a curly haired mule.

1070
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: There's some there's some cross of a mule where they

1071
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 2: get a little curl in their hair, which is unique,

1072
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 2: it's not unheard of. And and just two people got

1073
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 2: in a bidding war and they had plenty of.

1074
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 6: Money values the eye of the beholder.

1075
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 2: So but that I don't want to take anything away

1076
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: from that mule, the mules that are selling for Every

1077
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: mule cell has a different thing like and it's it's Yeah,

1078
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 2: what I've learned is that every mule cell has a

1079
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,959
Speaker 2: different specialty. And I'm a little bit afraid to say

1080
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 2: what those are because I'm not sure if we say

1081
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 2: that out louder.

1082
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, Oh do you think we should talk about speaking

1083
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 6: of curly hair. Should we talk about Clay's hair?

1084
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: Oh?

1085
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 7: Should we talk about bears hair? We've been talking about

1086
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 7: my hair. But your hair is out of control. I

1087
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 7: would say.

1088
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 3: It is a little I mean, it's been a lot

1089
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 3: of years since we've seen you that much hair.

1090
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: What do you think I should do? Josh, just let

1091
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: her go or cut it?

1092
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 3: I'm a bit torn, you know.

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00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 4: I I like to keep my hair pretty close cropped,

1094
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 4: but I also don't have a head of hair like that,

1095
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 4: you know, so maybe maybe like.

1096
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: Just caught in the crosshairs of indecision.

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01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 4: Well, I think on the outside I would be like, yeah,

1098
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 4: you definitely need to get your hair cut and be respectable.

1099
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 4: But maybe on the inside I think, man if I

1100
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 4: had hair like that, I'd probably grow it out. Okay, really,

1101
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 4: I just yeah, he keeps the hair, keeps the hair

1102
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 4: you wanted to keep the hair.

1103
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 6: There's a day in Clay's life where he's not going

1104
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 6: to have that beautiful frock of hair.

1105
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1106
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,919
Speaker 3: I don't know that that that dude's cut some things.

1107
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 2: Michael Lanier met me on the street the other day

1108
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: and Prayer Grove, we just randomly were walking down the

1109
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,439
Speaker 2: street in downtown Pray Grove, Arkansas, and Michael was there.

1110
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 2: We didn't know, and I'm pretty sure the first thing

1111
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 2: he said to me was, you need a haircut.

1112
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 5: We're right outside the barber.

1113
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: And see when my Jedi master says that, I have

1114
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: to kind of take it into consideration. But Michael would

1115
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: be the guy that would say, get haircut.

1116
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 3: At what point, Like, are you like, Okay, Clay, that's enough.

1117
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 6: I don't know. I'll know it when when we get there.

1118
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 6: I mean, he's got he's got some great hair. I've

1119
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 6: got a vision for it right now. I think it

1120
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 6: is given some you know, nostalgic vibes. This is kind

1121
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 6: of what Clay's hair look like, except for where all

1122
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 6: the gray is. It was frost tips, you know, in

1123
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 6: the nineties when we were dating. Uh, so maybe there's

1124
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:21,959
Speaker 6: some of that there.

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01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,439
Speaker 2: I'm also going to the Arctic for in a couple

1126
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 2: of months, well less than in a month that half. Yeah,

1127
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you what a lot of hair does

1128
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 2: keeps you warm?

1129
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely, mm hmm.

1130
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1131
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 6: We'll just see, we'll see what happens. Clay's hair has

1132
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 6: historically grown out rather than down, you know. And so

1133
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 6: there's a point where if it gets far enough out,

1134
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 6: it's like let's let's let's do something. But right now

1135
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 6: I think I think, I'm I'm pleased with what I see.

1136
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 3: Wow, we're getting a real window into your marriage.

1137
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:57,919
Speaker 1: What more can be said?

1138
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 3: What more can be I'm just gonna let my mustache go?

1139
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: Then, yeah, you definitely should.

1140
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, how's it felt been in the Ta Covi's

1141
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 2: hot seat?

1142
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? Man, I mean you had to nail down the

1143
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: price on your mule. Yeah. Wait, and thanks for coming here.

1144
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: We are going to give you.

1145
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 2: You're gonna get to to pick out a new pairt

1146
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 2: of Takvis.

1147
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: So there's a store here in Northwest Arkansas, and.

1148
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 2: I've got a box. I've got a box of Ta

1149
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 2: COB's right here. But we're gonna let you pick out

1150
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 2: the kind of boots you want. And I had to

1151
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: talk Michael into coming. Yeah, he wasn't gonna come. And

1152
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 2: I was like, come on, man, you gotta come. You

1153
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 2: gotta come to bring Willard. We'll get your pair of

1154
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 2: to Covis.

1155
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 4: And so he was like you had met Yeah, what

1156
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 4: kind of what kind are you gonna get?

1157
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: Just a pair of leather boots just like cowboy boots.

1158
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: Wait for just.

1159
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, great styles you.

1160
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, there's your your gift certificate right there there.

1161
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 2: It is your Covi's boots. And uh, I think we're.

1162
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 6: Gonna have to work on that. That handoff of the

1163
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 6: box a little bit best. That needs to look better.

1164
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: Okay, great, well man, I'm excited about this episode.

1165
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: It's been good.

1166
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 2: And uh, don't forget about the Beargers YouTube channel. It's

1167
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 2: not it's not launched yet. It's gonna launch in mid February,

1168
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 2: but we're gonna go ahead and start talking about Let

1169
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 2: me go ahead and say one more thing. I'm going

1170
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 2: to open up the next render talking about this. If

1171
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 2: I've seen the little, hazy eyed and distant the last

1172
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 2: two and a half years, it's possible because I've been

1173
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 2: working on a book for the last two and a

1174
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:56,959
Speaker 2: half years, behind the scenes, in the dark corner time,

1175
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 2: in the dark corners of of this office, when no

1176
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 2: one's watching.

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01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: I've been writing a book.

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01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 2: On February the first, the manuscript for that book is

1179
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 2: due first, the original manuscript, and so me and my

1180
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,919
Speaker 2: team we will be submitting a basically ninety thousand word

1181
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 2: manuscript of the book American Bear, which is still over

1182
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 2: a year from being able to be purchased.

1183
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: But I'm just so excited about it. I really am.

1184
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: I might just quit.

1185
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 6: Life, not live everything.

1186
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: I might just retire after the book's out. Bear can

1187
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: take over, just trade mules and I like it.

1188
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he's not going to do that.

1189
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 3: I'm excited about the book.

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01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 4: I've gotten to see a little bit of a window

1191
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 4: into it, and folks, it's going to be good.

1192
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: It really is.

1193
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 2: It's it's there's never been a I can say with

1194
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 2: certainty and not with with any kind of sense of pride,

1195
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 2: but there's just not ever been a book written.

1196
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: About this like this.

1197
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 2: It's about the American Black Bear, but it's an untold story.

1198
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 2: Nobody's ever told it like this. So I'm excited.

1199
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 3: It'll fly off the shelves. I just know.

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01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 2: Will Well, there will come a day when I petition

1201
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 2: those who listen to bear grease too. Yeah, exactly, like

1202
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 2: all those all those years, come help me buy this book.

1203
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 2: So start saving up your pennies because in twenty twenty seven,

1204
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 2: a year from.

1205
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 3: Now, to buy a book.

1206
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, start saving up your pennies.

1207
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 2: Or if you've got more money than that and want

1208
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 2: a mule Josh at the mediator dot com. Michael would

1209
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 2: take fifteen grand for the mule, but you're gonna have

1210
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 2: to come to Arkansas and pick it.

1211
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 1: Up and ride it. Serious inquiries only. No traders, Yeah,

1212
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: no traders. We ain't trading. We ain't trading you nothing

1213
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: but green backs, green.

1214
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 3: Backs, straight up benjamins.

1215
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. And no tire kickers.

1216
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 3: That's right, because I'm going to be fielding all the

1217
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 3: tire kickers.

1218
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 6: I think I'm going to need a compar to Covis

1219
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 6: and a dealer.

1220
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,439
Speaker 2: All right, Well, thanks everybody. Keep the wild places wild

1221
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 2: because

1222
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: That's where the bears live