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Speaker 1: It was November two thousand and six, approximately ten years
Speaker 1: after the first victim of The Butcher of Moss was murdered.
Speaker 1: Agent Mike Clarke and two profilers from the FBI's Behavioral
Speaker 1: Analysis Unit in Quantico, Virginia, found themselves thousands of miles
Speaker 1: away from home in the eastern European country of Albania.
Speaker 1: They were there to assist local authorities to investigate a
Speaker 1: series of gruesome murders that they believed could be the
Speaker 1: work of a serial killer. Weeks earlier, the torso of
Speaker 1: a new Jane Doe victim was found floating in a
Speaker 1: small lake near Tirana, the capital city of Albania. Police
Speaker 1: had located several body parts, but the head was missing.
Speaker 1: Shortly after arriving, the FBI agents found themselves standing over
Speaker 1: a badly damaged corpse in the examination room of an
Speaker 1: unrefrigerated morgue. They were shocked to find that doctors had
Speaker 1: crudely stitched the body back together and incorrectly attached the
Speaker 1: left leg to the right hip and the right leg
Speaker 1: to the left. Properly examining the corpse and these conditions
Speaker 1: was impossible, so they sealed the body into a lead
Speaker 1: lined casket and shipped it back to Quantico. They had
Speaker 1: no way of knowing this at the time, but the
Speaker 1: gruesome discovery would soon lead them to Belgium to examine
Speaker 1: the infamous unsolved case of the Butcher of Moss, a.
Speaker 3: Mysterious sect of all the rest unity, the disappearance of
Speaker 3: a woman from Mount Xa.
Speaker 4: The condition of the victims was sickening.
Speaker 5: And the question remains, where is the killer?
Speaker 1: From Tenderfoot TV and Iheard podcasts, I'm your host Matt
Speaker 1: Graves and this is le Monstre Season two, The Butcher
Speaker 1: of Moss by the summer of nineteen ninety seven, women
Speaker 1: in and around mass were being urged to avoid going
Speaker 1: out alone, and any new female missing person's cases were
Speaker 1: treated with urgency. It was against this backdrop that a
Speaker 1: woman returned to her home near Moss after a vacation
Speaker 1: to notice that her neighbor, a woman named Boggia Valencia,
Speaker 1: seemed to be missing. Begonia was thirty eight years old
Speaker 1: at the time and lived a few doors down from
Speaker 1: the neighbor in the municipality of Fremerie. It was a quiet,
Speaker 1: working class suburb on the outskirts of Moss, the type
Speaker 1: of street where neighbors knew each other and looked after
Speaker 1: one another. She had already been worried about Begonia before
Speaker 1: leaving on her vacation because she hadn't been well. Investigative
Speaker 1: journalist Frederic Lau covered Bogoonia's disappearance in real time and
Speaker 1: spoke with his neighbor.
Speaker 5: So after her disappearance, I went to the neighborhood. I
Speaker 5: had several contacts with the neighbors of Beagonia, and I
Speaker 5: remembered that someone a woman who were living next to Bagonia,
Speaker 5: and that neighbor told me that before, she used to
Speaker 5: meet Beagoniac quite often. She had a quite good relationship
Speaker 5: with her. She told me that she had changed at
Speaker 5: that time, she was mentally unstable and she was afraid
Speaker 5: of her because of her appearance physical appearance, because at
Speaker 5: that time, she told me, Begonia was very kinney, she
Speaker 5: had lots of spots in her face, and that neighbor
Speaker 5: was afraid about our children. She didn't want our children
Speaker 5: could meet Bagonia into the streets, and the situation was
Speaker 5: all full.
Speaker 1: At that time, Bogonia suffered from depression and serious mental illness,
Speaker 1: often slipping in and out of psychotic episodes. Her husband
Speaker 1: also suffered from mental illness and was in psychiatric care,
Speaker 1: leaving Bogonia alone and in a deteriorating state. When family
Speaker 1: members confirmed they hadn't seen Bogonia, the neighbor contacted the
Speaker 1: police to report her missing.
Speaker 6: A thirty eight year old woman disappeared two weeks ago
Speaker 6: in Mon's Investigators are exploring a link with the butcher
Speaker 6: of Mon's case in so far as the missing woman
Speaker 6: has a similar profile as other victims of the serial killer.
Speaker 1: For the first time, an active missing person was a
Speaker 1: suspected victim of the butcher of Moss.
Speaker 6: Bogonia Valencia disappeared during the month of July. She lived
Speaker 6: in a small working class home with her husband. Plagued
Speaker 6: by depression, the young woman had changed recently. At the
Speaker 6: time of her disappearance, she only weighed around seventy pounds. Apparently,
Speaker 6: she also frequented the area around the Mons train station,
Speaker 6: from where the four other victims of the serial killer disappeared.
Speaker 1: Police discovered that Bogunia Valencia was often seen around the
Speaker 1: train station, the epicenter of the killer's hunting ground, and
Speaker 1: like other victims, Madame Gange, the owner of the Hotel Metropol,
Speaker 1: also knew Bogunia.
Speaker 4: I knew Bogonia. She had a lot of blemishes on
Speaker 4: her face, so she was easy to recognize. She came
Speaker 4: to La Metropol from time to time with friends. She
Speaker 4: would come at night to have a drink.
Speaker 1: Summer turned into fall with no sign of Bogognia Valencia.
Speaker 1: It had been three months since her disappearance when some
Speaker 1: local kids playing in the woods stumbled across skeletal remains.
Speaker 1: It was a human skull found just off of Bethlehem Road,
Speaker 1: next to a small river named Feer Creek. Police searched
Speaker 1: the area closely and found fragments of vertebrae. They concluded
Speaker 1: that the head had been decapitated with a handsaw. Further
Speaker 1: tests were able to identify the victim as Bogugnia Valencia.
Speaker 1: Saw marks were identical to those of the other women
Speaker 1: who had been dismembered. She was confirmed as the fifth
Speaker 1: victim of the butcher of Moss. Hopes that the serial
Speaker 1: killer had either stopped or moved elsewhere were immediately crushed.
Speaker 1: The fact that Pagonia was murdered at the height of
Speaker 1: the then sprawling investigation proved that the killer was unfazed
Speaker 1: by the increased police presence and media attention. The end
Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety seven was the beginning of a long
Speaker 1: period of frustration. Police were furiously working the case, but
Speaker 1: no new arrests were made. I was able to track
Speaker 1: down the clerk of the investigating judge overseeing the entire
Speaker 1: case when it started. Alain Cardon was right there from
Speaker 1: the beginning, visiting each of the gruesome dumb sites as
Speaker 1: they were discovered, and coordinating the entire judicial investigative process.
Speaker 1: He sat down with me for an interview.
Speaker 7: I was the clerk of the investigating judge who attended
Speaker 7: the scene on Saturday, the twenty second of March nineteen
Speaker 7: ninety seven during the discoveries of the first thrashbags. I
Speaker 7: remember it very well. It was a Saturday and we
Speaker 7: had already had a busy morning in an affair or
Speaker 7: norm The scene was completely out of the ordinary and
Speaker 7: we had to move quickly and try to determine who
Speaker 7: was in the trash bags. We noticed that there were
Speaker 7: multiple victims and that there were women. It's certain that
Speaker 7: for me and many others there was a before and
Speaker 7: after the twenty second of match, because to be confronted
Speaker 7: with a scene like that, with body parts that had
Speaker 7: been cut up.
Speaker 5: The complete himselt from a man.
Speaker 7: Arms, legs, hands. We never found the heads. It's traumatizing. Afterwards,
Speaker 7: we spent thousands of hours on the case. In the days,
Speaker 7: weeks and months that followed, we spent ninety percent of
Speaker 7: our time on it. You have to understand that this
Speaker 7: was one of one hundred thirty active cases we were
Speaker 7: working at the time, and it happened at the same
Speaker 7: time as the dou Treux affair, and police officers, investigators,
Speaker 7: forensics experts, and generally the whole judiciary was focused on
Speaker 7: the Dutra case, which is normal, but the extra reinforcements
Speaker 7: we would have needed never arrived. I can't share the details,
Speaker 7: but after Le Paul Bogaert was arrested, charged and then
Speaker 7: later released, there were several other lines of investigations that
Speaker 7: were analyzed, and there were suspects who were interesting, even disturbing,
Speaker 7: but not enough to make an arrest. Over the years,
Speaker 7: we continued to work on the case and interviewed over
Speaker 7: one thousand people America, and then at one point we
Speaker 7: were contacted by the Americans.
Speaker 1: At the top of the episode, he heard about FBI
Speaker 1: agents investigating a mysterious case in Albania. They were assisting
Speaker 1: local authorities so file a potential serial killer who was
Speaker 1: murdering and dismembering women. So they transported the latest victim's
Speaker 1: remains to the United States for examination. When the FBI
Speaker 1: agents returned to Quantico, they learned that their colleagues in
Speaker 1: New York were also working on a case from the
Speaker 1: region from which they just returned. They were searching for
Speaker 1: a man who they believed was responsible for the murder
Speaker 1: and dismemberment of a woman on us soil. The forensics
Speaker 1: of this American case were eerily similar to the Jane
Speaker 1: Doe from Albania, whose autopsy had revealed that she was
Speaker 1: murdered and then dismembered with a sharp instrument, likely a handsaw.
Speaker 1: Could this just be a coincidence The suspect they're pursuing
Speaker 1: for the murder and dismemberment of an American woman happens
Speaker 1: to hail from the same region from where another woman
Speaker 1: was found murdered and dismembered in almost the exact same way.
Speaker 1: Coincidence or connection, they had to look into it. The
Speaker 1: problem was that the suspect had apparently fled from the
Speaker 1: United States dates to Belgium. To understand this complicated international
Speaker 1: investigation and how it relates to the butcher of Moss,
Speaker 1: we have to go back to the year of nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: In Brooklyn, New York. On the morning of September fifteenth,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety, a woman spotted a black garbage bag on
Speaker 1: the sidewalk near her office in the Vinegar Hills section
Speaker 1: of Brooklyn, New York. When she picked up the bag
Speaker 1: to move it off the sidewalk, it seemed to be
Speaker 1: leaking blood, so she called the police. The trash bag
Speaker 1: contained human remains. Within hours, two more trash bags containing
Speaker 1: body parts were found in the same area. The remains
Speaker 1: belonged to the same female victim, and the dismemberment appeared
Speaker 1: to have been carried out using sharp instruments, including a handsaw.
Speaker 1: Her head was never found. A week later, police received
Speaker 1: a tip about a woman who went missing on the
Speaker 1: same day the bags were found. Her name was Mary
Speaker 1: Beale from the Bronx. Here's a clip from a nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety news interview with one of Mary's neighbors.
Speaker 8: She always thought that you know that she was being
Speaker 8: harassed by someone. I don't know that someone was, I
Speaker 8: can really tell you, and she went out. She always said,
Speaker 8: if I'm not back in my store by two days,
Speaker 8: come up for me.
Speaker 1: Police use Mary's medical records to compare X rays from
Speaker 1: a previously broken ankle to the recovered remains.
Speaker 9: Police are now confirming that the body, cut into pieces
Speaker 9: and stuffed into two plastic garbage bags found in this
Speaker 9: lot near the Brooklyn Navy Yard last month, is indeed
Speaker 9: that of sixty one year old Mary Beale.
Speaker 1: It didn't take long for police to identify a prime suspect.
Speaker 1: Mary had been seeing a man named Smayo Jerlik. Smayo
Speaker 1: was originally from the former Yugoslavia near the Albanian border,
Speaker 1: but had been living in New York for over twenty
Speaker 1: years working as a taxi driver. He was fifty years
Speaker 1: old at the time. At under five feet tall, with
Speaker 1: a pudgy frame and balding sma Yo didn't seem threatening,
Speaker 1: but he had a rap sheet with violent offenses, including
Speaker 1: a case where he beat a man in Midtown with
Speaker 1: a night stick because the man banged on the roof
Speaker 1: of his taxi. Police found several lewde messages from Smayu
Speaker 1: on the victim, Mary Beale's answering machine, and several people
Speaker 1: who knew her confirmed that she was seeing him romantically,
Speaker 1: despite him being married to another woman who was his
Speaker 1: third wife. They also confirmed that Mary had complained that
Speaker 1: Smayo was manipulative and that he constantly harassed her. After
Speaker 1: acquiring a warrant, authorities went to his residence only to
Speaker 1: find it empty, with a stack of unopened mail at
Speaker 1: the entrance. When they carried out a search, they found
Speaker 1: a knife on the breakfast table and blood was detected
Speaker 1: in his residence that was consistent with Mary Beale, Smayo
Speaker 1: had apparently skipped town with his wife. It would be
Speaker 1: years before authorities would find any trace of him. In
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, they tracked down his then estranged wife,
Speaker 1: who was living in Belgium, and confirmed that she had
Speaker 1: moved there from New York with Smayo, but she claimed
Speaker 1: that she didn't know where he was. Just over a
Speaker 1: year later, the gruesome murders of the butcher of Moss
Speaker 1: would begin. We now know that Smayo was living in
Speaker 1: Belgium in nineteen ninety six and nineteen ninety seven. The
Speaker 1: striking similarities of the murder, dismemberment, and disposal method of
Speaker 1: body parts gave pause to both American and Belgian investigators.
Speaker 1: I spoke with the award winning journalist Nicholas Schmidtl, who
Speaker 1: reported extensively on the Smayo Jurlik case in the New
Speaker 1: York Times.
Speaker 10: I was writing for the New York Times magazine. And
Speaker 10: we know when you're into a story and you realize
Speaker 10: that no one else has that story, and it's something
Speaker 10: that it feels like you could really sink your teeth
Speaker 10: into it. Schmeo Deserlich. This individual who had been identified
Speaker 10: as the probable killer of this woman in I believe
Speaker 10: in nineteen ninety in New York. And then there was
Speaker 10: this string of murders that bore a very similar signature
Speaker 10: to the New York murder that took place in Belgium
Speaker 10: in the mid nineties at the time that that Schmeo
Speaker 10: was living there.
Speaker 1: And then you have at least.
Speaker 10: One, but maybe more murders in Albania in two thousand
Speaker 10: and six, and Smeo de Gerlich was living in New
Speaker 10: York and was ultimately convicted of the murder in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 10: He was living in Belgium around the time of the
Speaker 10: unsolved murders in Moms, and he was living in southern Montenegro,
Speaker 10: not far from the site of these other murders. It
Speaker 10: took place in two thousand and six. So there was
Speaker 10: from an investigative perspective, at least one constant to all
Speaker 10: of these murders, and that was the style of which
Speaker 10: these bodies were dismembered, and the fact that Smeo de
Speaker 10: Gerlich was living in or near these places when they
Speaker 10: took place. I remember the type of saw that was
Speaker 10: used to dismember the body's post mortem appeared to be
Speaker 10: the same kind of saw. You likely know the details
Speaker 10: of the Mons murders better than I do, but there
Speaker 10: there were similarities to the style. And because Smeo once
Speaker 10: he had been implicated and was about to be charged
Speaker 10: for the murder of Mary Beale, he fled the country
Speaker 10: and went to Belgium. And so the fact that he
Speaker 10: was in Belgium around the time of the Mons murders,
Speaker 10: which remained unsolved but bore many of the same hallmarks,
Speaker 10: if you will, kind of macabre hallmarks of the Mary
Speaker 10: Beeal murder, I think, left many to suspect that he
Speaker 10: may have been involved in those as well.
Speaker 1: Nicholas was able to interview the FBI agent Mike Clark extensively,
Speaker 1: and he even traveled to Belgium and Albania to investigate
Speaker 1: this Smyoerlic case.
Speaker 10: So I went up to New York and some time
Speaker 10: with the New York Police Department detectives who worked in
Speaker 10: that case, and then I went to Belgium and spoke
Speaker 10: to authorities there in Mons. And it was an interesting
Speaker 10: conversation because I think the FBI agents whom I spoke
Speaker 10: with felt that the Belgian authorities were convinced that Smeo
Speaker 10: de Zerlik was not the butcher of Mons, but they
Speaker 10: were in the minds of the FBI agents sort of
Speaker 10: insufficiently curious upon subsequent evidence, which was the two thousand
Speaker 10: and six murder, that maybe he was involved.
Speaker 1: After reviewing the case in detail, authorities in Belgium were
Speaker 1: not convinced that Mayo Jerlik was the butcher of Moss.
Speaker 1: He could never be placed in Moss at the time
Speaker 1: of the murders, and police believed he'd been outside of
Speaker 1: Belgium when some of the crimes were committed. No proof
Speaker 1: of this was ever shown to the FBI, leading them
Speaker 1: to still question Smayo's involvement. In our extensive review of
Speaker 1: the case, it seems highly unlikely that Smayo Gerlik is
Speaker 1: the butcher of Moss. Not only are police confident that
Speaker 1: he wasn't there when some of the murders took place,
Speaker 1: but as you've heard, we believe the perpetrator spent time
Speaker 1: around the central station area of Moss, and that he
Speaker 1: must have been known by or was familiar to the victims.
Speaker 1: Smayo had never been identified as someone who knew any
Speaker 1: of the victims. Alain Cardon, the Clerk of the investigating
Speaker 1: judge in Belgium who I spoke to earlier, explains.
Speaker 7: He was a serious person of interest. This line of
Speaker 7: investigation followed a certain amount of time until the points
Speaker 7: that after all of the investigations possible, we concluded that
Speaker 7: it couldn't be him. We had to verify everything, including
Speaker 7: his timeline in Belgium because it traveled a lot, but
Speaker 7: he was eliminated because of lack of proof.
Speaker 1: Nonetheless, Smayo Jerlik was eventually tracked down and and arrested
Speaker 1: for the murder of Mary Beale in Brooklyn.
Speaker 10: Schmeda moves from Belgium in the mid nineties, I think
Speaker 10: ninety six ish and he returns to his ancestral home
Speaker 10: in the former Yugoslavia, and the authorities in Montenegro, working
Speaker 10: very closely with the FBI, arrested Smandriashrlik and tried him
Speaker 10: remotely for the murder of Mary Beale in New York
Speaker 10: in nineteen ninety and ultimately convicted him for that murder,
Speaker 10: and he was sentenced to twelve years in prison. And
Speaker 10: through a extraordinary fixer who I've worked with on multiple
Speaker 10: stories in the former Yugoslavia and in that region, was
Speaker 10: able to gain access to the prison and with a
Speaker 10: New York Times magazine photographer and this fixer, and the
Speaker 10: three of us went into the prison and interviewed Schmeo
Speaker 10: for about an hour. And it was eerie and very
Speaker 10: very unsettling experience because at this point I knew that
Speaker 10: he had already been convicted, even though he denied it,
Speaker 10: of murdering Mary Beale, and not just murdering Mary Beale,
Speaker 10: but and dismembering her body. And then, you know, I
Speaker 10: ultimately asked him what no one had asked him before,
Speaker 10: which was as to whether he was also responsible for
Speaker 10: these other murders in Belgium and Albania. And I asked
Speaker 10: him and he denied it, and he said that that
Speaker 10: it was destiny. And I was like, you know, what
Speaker 10: do you mean destiny. He's like, well, it's my it's
Speaker 10: my destiny to be accused, and he, you know, he
Speaker 10: was dismissive, but like I said, in the most vacuous
Speaker 10: and unconvincing of manners. And I do remember when we left,
Speaker 10: the photographer who I was with, who has photographed some
Speaker 10: of the most awful war zones in the nineties, and
Speaker 10: he just said that was among the most terrifying conversations
Speaker 10: that I've ever witnessed. We felt like we were in
Speaker 10: the presence of someone who was going to the grave
Speaker 10: with with nightmarish secrets.
Speaker 1: Smaiyo Jerlik may not have been the Butcher of Moss,
Speaker 1: but his known and suspected crimes earned him a different moniker,
Speaker 1: the Bronx Butcher. Our team investigating the case holds regular
Speaker 1: zoom calls to divide up work and follow up on
Speaker 1: various leads. This week, Fred provided an update on what
Speaker 1: he's learned about the DNA that was extracted from a
Speaker 1: strand of hair from one of the trash bags and
Speaker 1: partially matched to Shesai. Okay, so Craig, could you say
Speaker 1: that in English real quick? Please?
Speaker 5: Yes, this simple was entered into the DNA database for
Speaker 5: compar reason that no direct match was phoned.
Speaker 1: So just the other day we weren't even sure if
Speaker 1: it was tested against gizls DNA specifically. Do you know
Speaker 1: if it was.
Speaker 5: Yes, they didn't find any direct match.
Speaker 11: God, that's such a bummer because I really thought we
Speaker 11: had something there. What I don't understand is that if
Speaker 11: you if you find an unidentified DNA profile that could
Speaker 11: be anyone anywhere in the world technically, and it hit
Speaker 11: on this woman living in most in nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 11: actually very close to where the crime scenes took place.
Speaker 11: Also kind of in a strange circumstances, you know. So
Speaker 11: I just don't understand. It just seems too strange to
Speaker 11: me that they thought it was a match, they had
Speaker 11: a partial match, and then suddenly it's not a match.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But when they carried out this research resulting in a
Speaker 5: list of one hundred and fifty genetic profiles.
Speaker 11: Right, so they weren't searching, they weren't searching like everywhere.
Speaker 11: They were kind of narrowing their search on us.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the investigators were based on what we've learned,
Speaker 1: it was a restricted search of profiles, meaning that they
Speaker 1: weren't searching for partial matches everywhere in the world, but
Speaker 1: rather casting a targeted net. On one hand, it's disappointing,
Speaker 1: but on the other hand, I'm encouraged that police were
Speaker 1: able to isolate and test the strand of hair from
Speaker 1: the gruesome evidence of thirty seven different body parts and
Speaker 1: fifteen different trash backs, and it means that they have
Speaker 1: at least one unidentified profile mixed with the remains. Any
Speaker 1: future match of this profile could lead to a number
Speaker 1: of avenues, ranging from another victim, to an accomplice or
Speaker 1: even the perpetrator. The Gounia Valencia was the as confirmed
Speaker 1: victim of the Butcher of Monts. Apart from her skull
Speaker 1: and pieces of vertebrae, the rest of her remains were
Speaker 1: never found. The murder stopped after mid nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 1: To this day, there's only been one arrest in the case,
Speaker 1: that of Leopold Bogart discussed in the previous episode, who
Speaker 1: is cleared and released shortly after his apprehension. According to
Speaker 1: Belgian law, statute of limitation for murder is thirty years.
Speaker 1: If charges are not laid in the next fourteen months
Speaker 1: from the time of this recording, the Butcher of Man's
Speaker 1: case will be closed indefinitely. This means that even if
Speaker 1: the perpetrator were to come forward and confess after the fact,
Speaker 1: he could not be charged. Technically, the investigation by Belgian
Speaker 1: authorities is never stopped and is still active today, but
Speaker 1: as far as we know, there's very little activity on
Speaker 1: the file. However, thanks to Morgan's painstaking work, we've identified
Speaker 1: a new person of interest. You'll recall that the first
Speaker 1: victim we covered in this series was Jacqueline Leclaire, who
Speaker 1: went missing just before Christmas in nineteen ninety six. Shortly
Speaker 1: before her murder, she'd mentioned to her sister that she
Speaker 1: kept bumping into a mysterious man randomly, and that she
Speaker 1: thought he might be following her, or at least finding
Speaker 1: excuses to bump into her. And off the record discussions
Speaker 1: with former police officers, we learned that this man was
Speaker 1: never identified. Our team has spent countless hours trying to
Speaker 1: put a name on this mystery man, and just recently,
Speaker 1: Morgan made a breakthrough, sending us down a path of
Speaker 1: unexpected connections and coincidence is so good, Larry that they're
Speaker 1: impossible to ignore. Next time on season two of La
Speaker 1: manstre I'm always suspicious of people who are a little
Speaker 1: too clean, too polished, and you don't really know who
Speaker 1: they are.
Speaker 3: He was someone who was always very well dressed in
Speaker 3: his early sixties. He spoke eloquently and his French was impeccable.
Speaker 3: He calls himself a medium, and it's true that he
Speaker 3: was able to gain the trust of the people who
Speaker 3: knew him and consulted with him, And we know that
Speaker 3: he knew several of the victims.
Speaker 5: Jacqueline.
Speaker 3: We already know that he knew Jacqueline.
Speaker 4: Without a doubt. The man that she had met several
Speaker 4: times is the man who killed her. Mister, but it's
Speaker 4: not Do you understand lidipussy to kill five women and
Speaker 4: cut them up? Do you realize he had to have
Speaker 4: a special place to do that.
Speaker 12: So the perpetrator is inserting himself in an investigation when
Speaker 12: he's looking for controlling the narratives and monitoring progress. This
Speaker 12: is really important for him because then he can adapt. Yeah,
Speaker 12: for example, the BTK got involved in the investigation.
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