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<v Speaker 1>M any. Imagine you're at the Kansas State Fair in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen twenties. Much of what you would see there

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<v Speaker 1>would look familiar today. There's cooking competitions and kids running

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<v Speaker 1>around the fairgrounds, and when night comes, maybe a big

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<v Speaker 1>fireworks display. Farm families are arriving from all over the

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<v Speaker 1>place to ride on the rides, watch the races, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course to show off their livestole. But starting in

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<v Speaker 1>there's another ferrament, which in today's perspective really seems hard

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<v Speaker 1>to believe. Along with the pigs and cows competing for ribbons,

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<v Speaker 1>there are entire human families being judged. Urine is tested

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<v Speaker 1>ever broken, any bones, skulls are measured, how often do

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<v Speaker 1>you bathe? The jewel teeth are evaluated open please. Judges

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<v Speaker 1>ask questions about childhood diseases. Mothers are giving the judges

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<v Speaker 1>a list of the meals they give their kids every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Every family member is observed chewing food, and the judges

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<v Speaker 1>are there taking notes down on all of this. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a written i Q test for children and parents, and

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<v Speaker 1>for good measure, a syphilis test. Rounds out the experience.

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<v Speaker 1>This whole thing. It's called a Fitter Family Contest and

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<v Speaker 1>they have a really specific social purpose for the nine twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>They're designed to get across a message to the masses

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<v Speaker 1>that human genetics determines all that is good and evil

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<v Speaker 1>about modern American society. Put simply, some people shouldn't reproduce,

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<v Speaker 1>some people should never be born. And in this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be talking about one family from Mrs Hippy

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<v Speaker 1>who if they had gone before those judges back in

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<v Speaker 1>that era, they would have been judged defective or low grade,

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<v Speaker 1>which were terms actually used in those days, and therefore

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<v Speaker 1>they would have been deemed unworthy of breeding. That's because

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<v Speaker 1>they had a little boy named Donald who was exhibiting

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<v Speaker 1>certain unexpected and inexplicable behaviors. He was different. But the

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<v Speaker 1>determination of Donald's mom and dad to make sense of

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<v Speaker 1>his differences and their certainty that he deserved a place

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<v Speaker 1>in this world, well, it will change not only Donald's life,

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<v Speaker 1>but all of our lives. For I Heeart Podcasts, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>John don Van and I'm Karen Zucker. This is Autism's

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<v Speaker 1>first Child and I heart original podcast and this is

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<v Speaker 1>episode one Fitter Families. Twenty years ago, my journalism career

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<v Speaker 1>took an unexpected turn at the time, I was working

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<v Speaker 1>as a general assignment reporter at ABC News, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had spent years covering wars and famine and political upheaval.

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<v Speaker 1>ABC's John don Van begins our series with the analysis

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<v Speaker 1>what we saw in last night's presidential debate with John Donvan,

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<v Speaker 1>ABC eight point nine Magnitude Epicenter of fifteen miles below ground.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my colleagues, a producer I worked with a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>learned that her two year old son, Mickey, had autism.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Karen, So. My son, Mickey was in the Special

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<v Speaker 1>Tiddler program at Barnard College, where kids from eighteen to

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six months went to school. The very first day

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<v Speaker 1>we went, my husband and I were sitting in this

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<v Speaker 1>two way mirror and there are twelve or thirteen kids,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're all playing, and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>the teachers said, everybody go sit down and get some

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<v Speaker 1>juice and crackers. So eleven of those kids went down

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<v Speaker 1>and sat at the table to get their juicing crackers,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was Mickey in the corner with his shoes

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<v Speaker 1>and off dancing to the music. As soon as you

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<v Speaker 1>saw him with other children, educators who knew autism could

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<v Speaker 1>tell that he was different. We thought he was different

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<v Speaker 1>because he was reading in one and a half and

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<v Speaker 1>we knew we went to a different drummer, but we

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of thought he was brilliant. We didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>how different he was, and they suggested he get evaluated,

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<v Speaker 1>and six weeks later he was diagnosed with autism. Mickey's

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<v Speaker 1>diagnosis turned Karen's life completely upside down. Before that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she was one of the networks up and coming producers, definitely,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was we thought bound to be one of

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<v Speaker 1>the people the rest of us would end up working

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<v Speaker 1>for it the network. Well not quite. But the very

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<v Speaker 1>first interview I ever did as a journalist was with

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<v Speaker 1>Rosa Parks. So in the early days, I thought I

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<v Speaker 1>was off to a good start. I covered politics, I

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<v Speaker 1>went overseas to help cover the go for the Barcelona Olympics.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a good run. So it was a shock

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<v Speaker 1>to everybody out of nowhere, this incredible journalist that you

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<v Speaker 1>were known to be. Karen, you know, just stepped off

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<v Speaker 1>the fast track. You went from working full time to

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<v Speaker 1>working part time. Yeah, my boss had offered me a

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<v Speaker 1>job share because he didn't want to lose me, and

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<v Speaker 1>he knew that I'd give a hundred. And I was

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<v Speaker 1>really really fortunate because I was able to keep my

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<v Speaker 1>hand in the news business. And I was even more

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<v Speaker 1>fortunate because I was able to use the skill of

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<v Speaker 1>journalism as a way to figure out what to do

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<v Speaker 1>for Mickey and to educate others about autism and share

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<v Speaker 1>it with the world, because at this time, when people

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<v Speaker 1>heard the word autism, everybody still thought one thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was rain Man. He's particular case. He's pretty well off.

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<v Speaker 1>He's very high functionate. Most autistics they can't speak and

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<v Speaker 1>they can't communicate, right, Yeah, do you know what autistic is? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>You know that were Yeah? Are you autistic? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think so. No. Not getting a network to agree to

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<v Speaker 1>do a half an hour on a topic that honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>most people still have never heard of in the um

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<v Speaker 1>that took a lot of uh, let's say, push, and

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<v Speaker 1>Karen is a bulldog. She pushed and she convinced Nightline

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<v Speaker 1>to let us do it. We were the first team

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<v Speaker 1>in network news to make reporting about autism into an

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<v Speaker 1>actual beat. Those first autism stories that we did together

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<v Speaker 1>put me into a more intimate kind of connection with

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<v Speaker 1>the people I was reporting on that I was actually

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<v Speaker 1>used to. You know, you can do war reporting in

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of big picture way, and most of the

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<v Speaker 1>time that's how it happens. You're telling this story of

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<v Speaker 1>a whole city under siege or a whole army of soldiers.

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<v Speaker 1>But this reporting on autism was always very close up

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<v Speaker 1>and very intimate and focused on individuals and their families,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was very internal. It was about the feelings

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<v Speaker 1>of people on the spectrum and their parents who often

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<v Speaker 1>when their kids were first diagnosed, were confused and frightened

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<v Speaker 1>and having to adjust to this new normal for their kids.

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<v Speaker 1>I had some experience with autism, my brother in law

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<v Speaker 1>has autism, but it didn't prepare me for this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of reporting. That first story, Karen and I told we

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<v Speaker 1>did it very honestly and it had a big impact

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<v Speaker 1>in the autism community. And after that, Karen asked me

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<v Speaker 1>to do another story, and then another, and we created

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<v Speaker 1>this series called Still Unexplained Wave of Autism that began

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<v Speaker 1>in the US in the ninety nine with an estimated

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred thousand kids in the US with autism. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>there are we reported on girls with autism, adults with autism, siblings,

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<v Speaker 1>how kids with autism, or bully. So we've been covering

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<v Speaker 1>autism together for television for seven years, and now seven

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<v Speaker 1>years in we're hard at work on a book about

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<v Speaker 1>the history of the diagnosis, and the research for that

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<v Speaker 1>brought us into close contact with the work of a

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<v Speaker 1>doctor named Leo Connor, a child psychiatrist, and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get deeper into Connor's life in our next episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But in three Dr Connor published a landmark paper that

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<v Speaker 1>described a neurological disorder that, as he put it, had

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<v Speaker 1>not previously been described. He called it autistic disturbances of

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<v Speaker 1>effective contact. And in that article he defined what we

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<v Speaker 1>all today recognized as autism. And he included case studies

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<v Speaker 1>of eleven children, and here's how he described their symptoms.

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<v Speaker 1>The disinterest in people, the obsession with objects, the deep

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<v Speaker 1>need for sameness and routine, the detachment and inaccessibility to

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<v Speaker 1>other us. Connor also made observations at his clinic at

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<v Speaker 1>Johns Hopkins of these kids directly. But from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>Karen and I were drawn to the first case described

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<v Speaker 1>in this study, literally called case one, Donald, last name

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<v Speaker 1>initial T, Donald T. We started to wonder if he

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<v Speaker 1>was still alive. Meeting Donald would be meeting history. In

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<v Speaker 1>his case studying on Donald T, Connor mentions a birthdate

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<v Speaker 1>September eight. I turned up a speech that Connor gave

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<v Speaker 1>one where he mentions that Donald lives in a little

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<v Speaker 1>town in Mississippi called Forest. First name, last, initial birthday location.

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<v Speaker 1>That's more than enough to track a person down. So

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<v Speaker 1>we did some sleuthing and came up with what we

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<v Speaker 1>thought was going to be Donald's phone number, and Karen

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<v Speaker 1>is the one who dialed in an answering machine picked out.

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<v Speaker 1>Once I heard the message, I knew it was him.

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<v Speaker 1>I called John and said I found him. I found

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<v Speaker 1>Donald T. After the break will investigate a wildly popular

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<v Speaker 1>turn of the century scientific blue to breed better humans,

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<v Speaker 1>and how that science led to the institutionalization, sterilization, even

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<v Speaker 1>the euthanasia of scores of children like Donald. Our quest

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<v Speaker 1>to understand autisms case number one, and what his life

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<v Speaker 1>was like and what the world that he grew up

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<v Speaker 1>and was like it actually begins well before Donald T

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<v Speaker 1>is born. I don't think people are that familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that from really the early nineteen hundreds up

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<v Speaker 1>until the beginning of World War two, essentially jendaics was

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<v Speaker 1>really a big movement to the United States swept the country.

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<v Speaker 1>As here's Adam Cohen, eugenics historian, author of the book Imbeciles.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an euro of science and it was a

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<v Speaker 1>progressive Here also, humans emerged from this evolutionary process. What

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<v Speaker 1>if we tried to take a more active role in it.

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<v Speaker 1>What if he tried to focus on good genes and

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<v Speaker 1>do that to make better people, sort of like farmers

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<v Speaker 1>have been doing for millennia by trying to breed better cattle.

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<v Speaker 1>Even before those Fitter Family contests started popping up at

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<v Speaker 1>state fairs, there was something called the Better Babies movement

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<v Speaker 1>that got a hold on American culture around the turn

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<v Speaker 1>of the twentieth century. Better Babies kicks off with the

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<v Speaker 1>contest at the Louisiana State Fair. In night. Tourists are

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<v Speaker 1>filing through an exhibition hall and watching as nurses and

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<v Speaker 1>white gowns and cardboard caps weigh and measure and inspect

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<v Speaker 1>these little, tiny babies, and the baby judged to be

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<v Speaker 1>the healthiest and the strongest and the most scientifically raised,

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<v Speaker 1>that baby is awarded a silver trophy. There was oddly

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<v Speaker 1>some very positive intent behind it, right. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 1>was the time when medical education wasn't widespread, particularly in

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<v Speaker 1>rural areas. People didn't have the information now have about

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<v Speaker 1>baby Herring. Doctor's Fox book hadn't been written yet, there

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't Google to search you know, what to do when babies,

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<v Speaker 1>cology and things like that. So some of this is informational.

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<v Speaker 1>It's trying to help people with a difficult thing of

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<v Speaker 1>raising a child and a roll with information. But because

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<v Speaker 1>of the Women's Home Companion, which was a really popular magazine,

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<v Speaker 1>coops this whole idea and forms the Better Babies Bureau

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<v Speaker 1>and practically no time you can find a Better Baby event.

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<v Speaker 1>In forty states, thousands of bombs enter their children. There's

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<v Speaker 1>something really fun about it. It's like the ultimate soap

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<v Speaker 1>bucks derby. Winning comes with incredible bragging rights. In Iowa,

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<v Speaker 1>the contests are run by a woman named Mary T. Watts,

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<v Speaker 1>matronly present, snowy white hair pulled back in a bun

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<v Speaker 1>rigid posture. She's perpetually draped in these long pearls that

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<v Speaker 1>swing to her waist. Shortly after starting Better Babies i

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<v Speaker 1>a chapter Watch receives a postcard signed by a man

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<v Speaker 1>named Charles Davenport, who tells her she is missing one

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<v Speaker 1>important measurement. You should give fifty to hereditary before you

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<v Speaker 1>begin to score a baby. Watch doesn't know it just yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but in the field of eugenics, Davenport is a serious player.

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<v Speaker 1>Wats forgets all about the postcard until the following year,

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<v Speaker 1>when Davenport sends another note a prize winner at two,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe an epileptic at ten, And now Watch is convinced.

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<v Speaker 1>She decides to insert heredity tests into the contests forget

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<v Speaker 1>better babies. Now it's fitter Families. It takes six years

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<v Speaker 1>for Wats to get the fitter Famili's concept off the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Experts doubt that any educated, self respecting adult will submit

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<v Speaker 1>willingly to physical exams at a county fair. Who on

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<v Speaker 1>earth would be open to the syphilis test. There was

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<v Speaker 1>really many attempts to bring the high flutent ideas of

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<v Speaker 1>eugenics to the people. Measure people's skulls to see like

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<v Speaker 1>how large they were and how big the brain would be.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're doing that kind of quote scientific work. The

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<v Speaker 1>first Fitter Families for Fireside Chats competition is held in

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<v Speaker 1>a Kansas agricultural fair. Twenty families compete. Early competitions are

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<v Speaker 1>such a success that Watts takes the show on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>The contests are always time to overlap with the main event,

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<v Speaker 1>the livestock contests. Farmers truck in their best looking cattle,

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<v Speaker 1>and there are most perfect pigs to compete for the

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<v Speaker 1>blue ribbons. Better bred animals, when crossed again and again,

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<v Speaker 1>lead to unending improvement in the stock of the breed.

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<v Speaker 1>Mrs Watts has the same goal for humans. While the

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<v Speaker 1>judges are testing the Holstein's jerseys and white faces, we

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<v Speaker 1>are testing the Joneses, Smith's and the Johnson's. When Mrs

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<v Speaker 1>Watts found a winner like the Kelly family of Isle

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<v Speaker 1>of Hope, Georgia, which she referred to as being of

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<v Speaker 1>the highest type, she meant that the Kelly's were the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of Americans who should be encouraged, exhorted even to reproduce. Meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>all the information that we collect on your family is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be stored at the Eugenics Record Office in

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<v Speaker 1>cold Spring Harbor. That's Dr Laura Lovett, historian, professor and author,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's going to allow for a kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>they imagined would be a control of the entire population

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<v Speaker 1>around genetic predispositions. This was actually quite widespread In the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen tens and nine twenties, The New York Times ran

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<v Speaker 1>a favorable feature about the Eugenics Record Office and how

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<v Speaker 1>people could take eugenics into account in deciding who to marry.

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<v Speaker 1>Back at the state fair, a sign at the competition

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<v Speaker 1>booth carries an urgent warning every forty eight seconds of

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<v Speaker 1>person is born in the United States who will never

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<v Speaker 1>grow up mentally beyond that stage of a normal eight

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<v Speaker 1>year old boy or girl. A second sign adds perspective

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<v Speaker 1>every fifteen seconds, a hundred dollars if your money goes

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<v Speaker 1>for the care of persons with bad heredits, such as

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<v Speaker 1>the insane, a feeble mind, criminals, and other defectives. And

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<v Speaker 1>the third sign offers hope. Every seven and a half minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>a high grade person is born. Good heredity is falling

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<v Speaker 1>behind at an alarming rate. They warn small town newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>editors decide the fittest families make for great copy, and

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<v Speaker 1>they spread the word about eugenics. Now in the broader

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<v Speaker 1>eugenics movement, Mrs Watts is really just a bit player.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not a scientist, she's not an academic, she's not

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<v Speaker 1>a statesman. Her operation really is the extreme retail end

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<v Speaker 1>of eugenics, a scientific, political, and philosophical movement that dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>itself as one adherent put it to iron up the

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<v Speaker 1>springs that feed the torrent of defective and degenerate protoplasm.

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<v Speaker 1>But scientists, academics, and statesman are well represented in the

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<v Speaker 1>eugenics movement at Harvard and at Yale, in the pages

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<v Speaker 1>of Scientific American, and in the New York Times. Powerful

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<v Speaker 1>people like Alexander Graham Bell embraced this brand new so

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<v Speaker 1>called science, and John D. Rockefeller eugenic starts to creep

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<v Speaker 1>into public schools. President Teddy Roosevelt is a big fan

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<v Speaker 1>of this book, called the Passing of the Great Race,

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<v Speaker 1>a rigid system of selection through the elimination of those

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<v Speaker 1>who are a weak or unfit. In other words, social

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<v Speaker 1>failures would solve the whole question in one hundred years.

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<v Speaker 1>The book's author is a man named Madison Grant, who

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<v Speaker 1>is widely respected at the time. He's the founder of

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<v Speaker 1>the American Museum of Natural History. He's a really major

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<v Speaker 1>conservationist and a very high ranking member of polite New

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<v Speaker 1>York Society. He gets a lot of fan letters from

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place. One of them came from Austria,

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<v Speaker 1>from a young man who wrote to Grant that the

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<v Speaker 1>book is now his Bible. This young Austrian man's name

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<v Speaker 1>Half Help. And we know what the Nazis did with

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<v Speaker 1>these ideas. They set up the Rice Committee for the

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<v Speaker 1>Scientific Registering of Serious Hereditary and Congenital Illnesses. It sounds

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<v Speaker 1>very bureaucratic, but it's basically a child killing organization. Under

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<v Speaker 1>this program, children three and under with any number of

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<v Speaker 1>congenital disorders are condemned to be euthanized. Years before the Nazis,

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<v Speaker 1>eugenics had crept into American society in some very dark ways.

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<v Speaker 1>There are already institutions across the country where epileptic and

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<v Speaker 1>the intellectually disabled or kept separated from society. But now

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<v Speaker 1>more than half the states began to allow forced sterilization

0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:15.480
<v Speaker 1>of these individuals. Here's Dr Lovett. Often in those asylums

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<v Speaker 1>where sterilization, without any any information, any conversation takes place,

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<v Speaker 1>and those depend on the states. Indiana is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first ones to introduce the sterilization law. Eight is

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<v Speaker 1>going to focus predominantly on mail inmates. California, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>and part of this has to do with that First

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<v Speaker 1>World War decides that, in fact, it's going to sterilize

0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.000
<v Speaker 1>as many women as men, and it sterilizes women who

0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:50.000
<v Speaker 1>wind up in what we're called feeble minded institutions. A

0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:53.520
<v Speaker 1>false assumption has now taken hold that there's a meaningful

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<v Speaker 1>relationship between somebody's i Q and that person's ability to

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<v Speaker 1>be a contributing and law abid fighting and moral member

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<v Speaker 1>of society. Lower i Q was thought to define an

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<v Speaker 1>undesirable sort of person, and so they imagine then that

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<v Speaker 1>the way to prevent further reproduction of lower i Q

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<v Speaker 1>or people minded individuals was to sterilize them. And so California,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, winds up sterilizing as many women as men

0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:33.800
<v Speaker 1>were as in Indiana. Partics predominant emails in Margaret Sanger

0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.920
<v Speaker 1>tells a Vasster College audience, this is the founder of

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<v Speaker 1>planned parenthood, right right, This is what she tells an

0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:43.320
<v Speaker 1>audience of young women. The American public is taxed, heavily

0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.960
<v Speaker 1>taxed to maintain an increasing race of morons, which threatens

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<v Speaker 1>the very foundations of our civilization. The very next year,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States Supreme Court, here's a case called Buck

0:20:55.040 --> 0:21:01.480
<v Speaker 1>versus Bell addressing the constitutionality of Virginia's eugenical Sterilization Act.

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<v Speaker 1>Carrie Books story could be a podcast all its own.

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<v Speaker 1>The state decides to sterilize Carrie Buck, even though there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing wrong with her. She doesn't suffer from any sort

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<v Speaker 1>of malady. She's just a poor teenage mother with a

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<v Speaker 1>sixth grade education. Eugenics depends heavily on i Q tests.

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<v Speaker 1>Carrie Buck is classified as quote middle grade moron, a

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<v Speaker 1>technical classification that they actually used based on the intelligence scale,

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<v Speaker 1>but still put her above the levels of idiot and imbecile,

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<v Speaker 1>which were also terms that they actually used. Morons again,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how Carrie was rated. Are considered dangerous people. They're

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<v Speaker 1>smart enough to pass undetected and even to breed with

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<v Speaker 1>their so called superiors. Carrie, who is an unmarried teenager,

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<v Speaker 1>has a child, which to the experts back then, indicated

0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:56.679
<v Speaker 1>heightened sexuality and fertility, both said to be common among

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<v Speaker 1>the so called mentally deficient. It was really a nightmare

0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:07.320
<v Speaker 1>tangle of measurements, classifications, assumptions, and prejudices. The Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>rules eight to one that the statute doesn't violate the

0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:15.439
<v Speaker 1>due process cause of the Fourteenth Amendment. This decision clears

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<v Speaker 1>the way for the forced sterilization of some seventy thousand Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people want to go beyond for sterilizations. They want

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<v Speaker 1>to actually euthanize intellectually disabled children. That means kill them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an idea that's actually proposed in the American Journal

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<v Speaker 1>of Psychiatry by a neurologist named Robert Foster Kennedy July.

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy argues that death is sometimes the most appropriate prescription

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<v Speaker 1>for children he called nature's mistakes. This defective child has

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<v Speaker 1>no future nor hope of one, then it is a

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<v Speaker 1>merciful and kindly thing to relieve that defective often tortured

0:22:56.480 --> 0:23:00.480
<v Speaker 1>and convulse, gro task and observed useless and fullish and

0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:07.679
<v Speaker 1>entirely undesirable of the agony of living. Basically execute them.

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<v Speaker 1>Shocking right, not to everybody. Back then the previous year,

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<v Speaker 1>in a poll of thousands of doctors in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>of the respondents said they favored legalizing euthanasia for severely

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:26.439
<v Speaker 1>disabled kids. And back in ninety three, this was the

0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:32.400
<v Speaker 1>world that Donald T was born into. When we returned

0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Mary and Beamon triplet wrestle with the scientific communities insistence

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<v Speaker 1>that the best course of action is locking their baby

0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:50.679
<v Speaker 1>boy away forever. H grandfather mccravy j R. McCravey was

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<v Speaker 1>born in Titan County, Mississippi, in eighteen sixty six, and

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<v Speaker 1>he grew up on a farm in really abject power,

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<v Speaker 1>but had a mind for banking. That's Donald Triplet's brother Oliver.

0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Their family founded and are still part owners of the

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<v Speaker 1>Bank of Forest. Their mother, Mary had a college degree,

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<v Speaker 1>which was very rare for a woman in the middle

0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:18.120
<v Speaker 1>of Mississippi in that time. She married the former mayor's son,

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<v Speaker 1>Oliver Beamon Triplet Jr. Known to most people as Mr Beamon.

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<v Speaker 1>Beamon had a degree from Yale Law School, also rare

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<v Speaker 1>for the middle of Mississippi, and he practiced law and Forest.

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<v Speaker 1>My father was interested in law early on, and when

0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:40.119
<v Speaker 1>he graduated from il SAPs in the early twenties, the

0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:44.719
<v Speaker 1>state had lost its accreditation and he had a cousin

0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:48.920
<v Speaker 1>that lived in Valdosta, Georgia that had connections with the

0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:51.760
<v Speaker 1>University of Florida. He got him and rolled down there

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<v Speaker 1>in the law school and he went for two years,

0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:58.000
<v Speaker 1>but decided he wanted a more prestigious law degree and

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:00.879
<v Speaker 1>opted to go to Yale, and so he went to

0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:05.880
<v Speaker 1>New Haven as a one year wonder and he told me, said,

0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:08.639
<v Speaker 1>the professor's up there. You know. Su A resented the

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:11.480
<v Speaker 1>fact I was going up there, but he said I

0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:18.440
<v Speaker 1>was very diligent and graduated with honors. So as as

0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:25.480
<v Speaker 1>how at all came down. In three, Mary gave birth

0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:30.080
<v Speaker 1>to Donald. When Donald was three, his parents brought him

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<v Speaker 1>to Sanatorium, Mississippi, to a facility known as the preventorium.

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:40.560
<v Speaker 1>But he wouldn't be making the return trip. Now that's

0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of a strange word, preventorium, but there actually used

0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:46.080
<v Speaker 1>to be a lot of them around the country. Children,

0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:49.640
<v Speaker 1>especially poor children, were thought to be at high risk

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:53.640
<v Speaker 1>of tuberculosis, and doctors would send kids away to these

0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:56.720
<v Speaker 1>places called preventoriums to keep them safe by keeping them

0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:01.240
<v Speaker 1>out of society where the germs were. But Donald wasn't

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:05.000
<v Speaker 1>really at risk of catching TV. That's not why he

0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:08.679
<v Speaker 1>was sent away. It was because he was different. And

0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 1>this was a thing that sometimes wealthy families dead. It

0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:16.439
<v Speaker 1>was a way to institutionalize a child without having to

0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:19.960
<v Speaker 1>connect it to any sort of mental condition. It was

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:23.520
<v Speaker 1>a way to dodge the stigma. And perhaps for that reason,

0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:25.400
<v Speaker 1>or perhaps they just didn't know what else to do.

0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:30.640
<v Speaker 1>That's what Donald's parents did in seven, and we wondered

0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:34.399
<v Speaker 1>what would the separation have been like for Donald's parents

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:38.280
<v Speaker 1>to go through. Oh I, it was extremely difficult, John,

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:41.480
<v Speaker 1>you could imagine, I mean this, this was her firstborn child.

0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Here's another member of the Triplet family. My name is

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:49.119
<v Speaker 1>Obe Triplet, and Don is my uncle. Maman Triplet was

0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:53.959
<v Speaker 1>Don's father, and my granddad. He was a lawyer here

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:57.280
<v Speaker 1>in town and settled here and wound up Mary and

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<v Speaker 1>my grandmother, her name was Mary mccrayev and Don was

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:05.800
<v Speaker 1>born and everything's good, and then things started, you know, changing.

0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 1>She realized that something wouldn't quite right. There's the way

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:11.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, a picture of this. Of course, the at

0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 1>the time, autism wasn't even a word that I'm aware of.

0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:18.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm not an expert or anything, but nobody knew, you know,

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:20.720
<v Speaker 1>about it or anything. He was under the impression that

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:26.240
<v Speaker 1>perhaps he was insane. Donald was not insane, but the

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:29.879
<v Speaker 1>state of psychiatry was stunning lee primitive back in the

0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirties, especially child psychiatry. That's another topic we'll be

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:37.359
<v Speaker 1>delving into more deeply in our next episode. There was

0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 1>no one in the professional ranks who could make sense

0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:43.560
<v Speaker 1>of Donald's behaviors. I asked Donald's brother Oliver, what he

0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:47.200
<v Speaker 1>thought the early signs were that his mom had noticed

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I was ready before my time, So I told you

0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 1>My earliest memory of him wasn't forty three, but from

0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:59.399
<v Speaker 1>what I'm told in a secure hearsay, he he was

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:03.840
<v Speaker 1>unrest positive. He didn't like to cook stuff like that.

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:06.359
<v Speaker 1>That's nothing but hearsay. I went a round for that.

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Donald never ran to his father when he came home

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 1>from work. He never pried for his mother. They often

0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:19.639
<v Speaker 1>felt he was looking right through them. But at the

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:23.400
<v Speaker 1>same time, he had this attachment to objects. He especially

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:27.480
<v Speaker 1>love to spin things, but if he was interrupted while

0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:32.960
<v Speaker 1>doing that or anything else, he would have intense tantrums.

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:38.640
<v Speaker 1>It became clear that Donald was protecting something really important

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 1>to him, and that was sameness, pure, unadulterated predictability. The

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:48.640
<v Speaker 1>triplets through everything they had at trying to find an

0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:52.240
<v Speaker 1>answer for their son. They had money, they had access

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 1>to the best technological tools of the day, a car

0:28:55.960 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 1>and a telephone. They got Donald seen by top docters,

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 1>but nobody had an explanation for Donald's differences. And along

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 1>the way we're guessing. His parents heard some terms that

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 1>were extremely painful to hear. Defective, demented, deranged, feeble minded.

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 1>And when kids got these kinds of labels, there were

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 1>so often the really depressing prescription for what should be done.

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Put this child away. So when there are parents who

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 1>wanted simply to keep their child at home, to make

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 1>them part of their family, doctors said don't. So this

0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:38.960
<v Speaker 1>is the kind of message we think Donald's parents were getting.

0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Sending him away was not their idea, it was the doctor's.

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 1>In fact, a doctor told Mary she was part of

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>the problem. You have overstimulated him. And the doctor told

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:54.640
<v Speaker 1>them to send Donald away. That's what they were told

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:57.080
<v Speaker 1>to do. That's what that's what was expected for them

0:29:57.080 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 1>to do, that's what was accepted at that time. And

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 1>they went layer and got nnny. This preventatorium looked like

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 1>a Greek temple with huge white columns out on the

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 1>front porch. And one day Donald's parents brought him there

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:14.640
<v Speaker 1>and walked him in between the columns and they checked

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 1>him in. Mary and Beamon Triplet watched the nurse take

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<v Speaker 1>three year old Donald's hand and lead him down the hall.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they turned away and left. I can't imagine. There

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<v Speaker 1>was much conversation on the drive back home. Being in

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<v Speaker 1>the preventatorium was not good for Donald. There had been

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<v Speaker 1>a light in his eyes before he got to this place.

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<v Speaker 1>He had been a noisy and active kid, and curious

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<v Speaker 1>and creative. But all of that went dead at the preventorium,

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<v Speaker 1>and almost all at once. We found a photograph of

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<v Speaker 1>Donald from this period where we never expected to. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a report on the preventatorium wished in. On page

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three, there's Donald. He's sitting on the front steps

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<v Speaker 1>surrounded by a dozen other kids. The other kids are

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<v Speaker 1>clearly reacting to something they're they're smiling, and they're giggling

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<v Speaker 1>like the photographer had just made a joke to get

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<v Speaker 1>them to laugh for the picture. But not Donald. He's

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<v Speaker 1>just staring at the camera, not looking happy at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And we underaged some medical notes on his time there,

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<v Speaker 1>and they said he basically went silent. He wasn't healthy

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<v Speaker 1>at all. The quote in the notes is that he

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<v Speaker 1>faded away physically and he sat motionless, not paying attention

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<v Speaker 1>to anything. All the things Donald used to like to

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<v Speaker 1>pick up and examine and spin, like blocks and books

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<v Speaker 1>and toy trucks, and pots and pans. He stopped reaching

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<v Speaker 1>for them or for anything. The examining doctor later concluded,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems that he had his worst phase. Donald's mom

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<v Speaker 1>and dad really missed their son, and they were not

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<v Speaker 1>giving up on helping him. Somehow. One day Beamon sat

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<v Speaker 1>down with his secretary, Katherine Robertson, and he started to

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<v Speaker 1>dictate a letter, which she typed up pages and pages

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<v Speaker 1>of its single space thirty three pages long of observations

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<v Speaker 1>of Donald's behaviors. In time, the words Beamon spoke and

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<v Speaker 1>that Ms. Robertson typed up would travel far and wide.

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<v Speaker 1>They would be quoted in scholarly research, discussed in university classrooms,

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<v Speaker 1>translated into multiple languages, words that still paint a vivid

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<v Speaker 1>portrait and helped to define the diagnosis that we call autism.

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<v Speaker 1>Simply put this letter, this cry for help. It opened

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<v Speaker 1>a door to a new way of understanding. Coming up

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<v Speaker 1>on Autism's first child, older Donald T. Sive years old,

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<v Speaker 1>Din was victim I cleaned from Forest, Mississippi, and made

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<v Speaker 1>me aware for the first time of the behavior pattern

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<v Speaker 1>noth neon to meet or anyone else debt to four.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though I was diagnosed at the age of eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>where autism didn't really mean anything at that point. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I only knew that I was different and the different

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<v Speaker 1>was bad. You're cruel. Kids can be particularly young, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't keep secrets in small pounds, you know. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the combination of the bank of the respect that

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<v Speaker 1>his family had earned went a long way towards the

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<v Speaker 1>community realizing that here's this family with a great deal

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<v Speaker 1>of stature in the community who have a son that's

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<v Speaker 1>causing them a great deal of struggle. I think something

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<v Speaker 1>to be considered about Donald Triplet is that he's in

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<v Speaker 1>a homachiness space, which means that the family had means

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<v Speaker 1>and access and power. The framework for doing that. Some

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<v Speaker 1>diagnostic test itself is based on how white people understand

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<v Speaker 1>behavior and language. I'm John don Vent. I'm Karen Zucker.

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<v Speaker 1>mastering by Ryan Peoples. Voiceovers by Zoe Wert, Michael Coscarelli,

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