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Speaker 2: to Michigan thirteen, Ohio State ten. We have to talk
Speaker 2: about a couple of college football situations. So I did
Speaker 2: not think. I think this is the biggest in the
Speaker 2: history of this rivalry. It's got to be the biggest upset.
Speaker 2: Michigan passed for sixty two yards, had two picks on
Speaker 2: the road, and still won. I mean Michigan hasn't thrown
Speaker 2: the ball. Michigan's a very easy team to defend. They
Speaker 2: can't pass, you can be hyper aggressive. So I thought.
Speaker 2: One of the things I compared today in my car,
Speaker 2: I did a little thing on Twitter. I compared Ryan Day,
Speaker 2: the Ohio State coach. I wouldn't fire him, but there's
Speaker 2: a clear hole. He's Mark Richt. So Mark Rick had
Speaker 2: been a quarterback coach like Day, was an offensive coordinator
Speaker 2: like Day, and then got a blue blood job. And
Speaker 2: I always felt when watching Georgia under Mark Richt. He
Speaker 2: had several top ten finishes, but in the big games,
Speaker 2: you never felt they got the most out of the roster.
Speaker 2: And that's exactly how I feel about Ryan Day is
Speaker 2: that he can recruit like Ricked. He's a nice guy
Speaker 2: like Ricked. But those Georgia teams never had an identity.
Speaker 2: They just had really good players. Even when they had
Speaker 2: like I think Matt Stafford he had like he would have.
Speaker 2: They would they would have moments and you'd be like, Oh,
Speaker 2: this team's the best in the country. And they won
Speaker 2: a lot of big games. He won three out of
Speaker 2: four games he coaches, and Ryan Day wins by out
Speaker 2: of six games he coaches. But they have no identity.
Speaker 2: And I thought that game. Here's my take. So Ryan
Speaker 2: Day is one of those guys that you know Urban Meyer.
Speaker 2: He went to Bowling Green, he went at Utah, he
Speaker 2: went at Florida. By the time he gets to Ohio State,
Speaker 2: he has got a lot of confidence. His shit works,
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh, My shit works, right, Ryan Day. What does
Speaker 2: he fall back on? So remember when he got really defensive,
Speaker 2: when old Lou Holtz took a shot at him and
Speaker 2: they won a game. In a post game, he takes
Speaker 2: a shot at rickety old blue holes and I'm like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, well, why do you care about that?
Speaker 2: Because he doesn't have a history of success Mark Rick did.
Speaker 2: Neither is that when you you know, save Michigan State, LSU, Alabama, NFL,
Speaker 2: people can take shots at you. You have a formula
Speaker 2: that works. Ryan Day doesn't have a formula that works.
Speaker 2: He's two and foreign bulls. He can't beat Michigan now
Speaker 2: four years in a row. And I thought the game
Speaker 2: plan was fascinating John. He was trying to prove how
Speaker 2: tough Ohio State was in the first half. Say, bro,
Speaker 2: you have major matchup advantages at wide receiver. He wanted
Speaker 2: to prove, Hey, people say we're not this. This game's
Speaker 2: always decided by rushing yards. I'm gonna approve. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: blow this hole. I can't coach tough football teams because
Speaker 2: he got very defensive with lou Holtz questioning that. And
Speaker 2: this is Ryan Day and we'll get into Lincoln Riley
Speaker 2: in a second. He's a little lost when you start
Speaker 2: worrying about voices outside the building and narratives and it
Speaker 2: starts changing your game plan. Their first half game plan
Speaker 2: was embarrassing, Like what was it? He was trying to
Speaker 2: prove we can win tough, Just win the damn game.
Speaker 1: You know, I've had this theory with politics for a
Speaker 1: while that sometimes the media is detrimental to candidates and
Speaker 1: a certain party. And I think you know CNN and
Speaker 1: MSNBC writer in the headlines a lot, a lot that
Speaker 1: no one's watching them anymore. They're losing a lot of viewership,
Speaker 1: but their clips go viral and I'm on a million
Speaker 1: text chains that see them constantly, and they're constantly lecturing
Speaker 1: people that whether it was Biden's cognitive ability or that
Speaker 1: Kamala was a great candidate, and eventually that people are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just come on right, pump the brakes. And I think
Speaker 1: for a long time there has been a media apparatus
Speaker 1: that has told everybody, you, Ohio State fans are lunatics.
Speaker 1: Get lectured them that they're lunatics. And this guy is X.
Speaker 1: Look at his record and it's like, guys, most human
Speaker 1: beings now over thirty years old have been alive long
Speaker 1: enough to see Pete Carroll Urban Meyer, Nick Saban k
Speaker 1: Kirby smart dabble like they know what a really good coach.
Speaker 1: Looks like they also know that the Big Ten, beside
Speaker 1: a team or two every once in a while, is
Speaker 1: not very good anymore. Most of these teams, like beating
Speaker 1: Nebraska and beating Minnesota when you're at Ohio State and
Speaker 1: you have unlimited resources, is not that impressive. So you
Speaker 1: are basically paid to beat Penn State, Michigan and the
Speaker 1: other top teams that you play, whether it's Notre Dame
Speaker 1: or which you play in the playoffs and stuff. That's it, Like,
Speaker 1: no one you get no credit for beating the shit
Speaker 1: out of Minnesota and Nebraska. Whoever. You better win those games,
Speaker 1: but no one cares. It's like James Harden scoring fifty
Speaker 1: against Sacramento Kings in January. Like, I'm sorry, no one
Speaker 1: puts any stock into that after a while, and I
Speaker 1: think everyone getting lectured constantly about Ryan Day Ryan Days, Like, guys,
Speaker 1: we've seen him in these big games, and it's something's off, right,
Speaker 1: something's off, and in this game specifically right. The last
Speaker 1: couple of years, Harbaugh has had a team that was elite,
Speaker 1: so you get beat as happens Kirby Smart's.
Speaker 2: Losses last year, Michigan had better players than Ohio State, they.
Speaker 1: Had seventy guys drafted or whatever this year. You we've
Speaker 1: all seen crazy games in college. We've seen twenty plus
Speaker 1: years insane that to me, obviously, we've seen bigger outcomes
Speaker 1: like Vince Young that was a national championship game, right,
Speaker 1: or even Ohio State lost or won national in a
Speaker 1: regular season game. I think that's one of the craziest
Speaker 1: outcomes I've ever seen in my entire life. Start to
Speaker 1: finish because not a person in the world, especially a
Speaker 1: Michigan fan, would have bet on Michigan. And as the
Speaker 1: game was going, you kept thinking yourself, this can't be happening.
Speaker 1: But he tried to get into a heavyweight fight with
Speaker 1: the one thing Michigan can do, and Chip deserves blame
Speaker 1: to run it up the middle. It's like they're two
Speaker 1: good players with the defensive tackles. You have three NFL guys.
Speaker 1: But I keep thinking that after the game and everyone
Speaker 1: shitting on Ryan Day, it's like, well, they've been lectured
Speaker 1: for five years that he's a great coach, and it's
Speaker 1: like I'm just waiting for him to beat another Like
Speaker 1: we don't care that he's beaten. James Franklin now four
Speaker 1: straight times. Yeah, like you can't beat Michigan, which in
Speaker 1: this program clearly is borderline the equivalent of like the
Speaker 1: national title game at this point. And he loses against
Speaker 1: the other good teams when he plays him in big spots.
Speaker 1: So you're watching him and you go the cockiness the
Speaker 1: third base comment. Most guys that get those jobs. Jim
Speaker 1: Harbaugh to get the Michigan job, had to coach at
Speaker 1: San Diego Stanford and then win at the forty nine ers.
Speaker 1: You know, this guy had never been a head coach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he got the job and handed to him by
Speaker 1: one of the greatest coaches of his era. So the
Speaker 1: Ohio State fans literally know what it looks like with
Speaker 1: urban Meyer and you go, well, we're not that physical.
Speaker 1: We have this pass and here's I was thinking about
Speaker 1: this too, because I've been critical of this guy for
Speaker 1: a long time. And Sarkesey has got Texas in the
Speaker 1: SEC Championship year one. Yeah, and I'm watching him last
Speaker 1: night and I went to watch him live. Sark takes
Speaker 1: his offensive guy like Ryan Day. Well, he's also the
Speaker 1: play caller, so half the game is his baby, right,
Speaker 1: and the program's his baby. But the play calling well,
Speaker 1: Ryan Day is like turned into this CEO even though
Speaker 1: he's this offensive minded guy, has to hire Chip Kelly
Speaker 1: and you're watching him on offense just look terrible against
Speaker 1: a Michigan team. Their best corner Will Johnson, who might
Speaker 1: be like a top five pick. It's like Travis Hunter
Speaker 1: two point zero corner is out your slicing. I was like,
Speaker 1: what are you guys doing, Like you're supposed to be
Speaker 1: an offensive mine, get chips call in the plays, and
Speaker 1: then your team's not tough. And I do think the
Speaker 1: look after the game where they plant the flag and
Speaker 1: he stands there. It just listen, they're in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: so you're not gonna fire him today. I don't see
Speaker 1: how this moves forward. I because I I think it's
Speaker 1: very possible that this type loss, they could just lose
Speaker 1: immediately in the playoffs, depending on who they play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do think Ohio State fans and I'm an Ohio
Speaker 1: State hater, but if I was in their shoot, I'd
Speaker 1: be tired of being lectured constantly by and listen, I
Speaker 1: get it, Joe Klatt and all these guys at Ohio
Speaker 1: State is a huge part of the business and they're awesome.
Speaker 1: I like watching them too, but like we have to
Speaker 1: riot a day, Like Kirby Smarts, the Nick Saban's like,
Speaker 1: he's not Urban Myers, He's not even remotely on their level.
Speaker 2: No, he's not.
Speaker 1: He's not even debatable.
Speaker 2: No, No, he is much closer to Mark Richt, who
Speaker 2: you know, George is better now without Mark Richt, who
Speaker 2: is a really nice guy. But they I mean, I
Speaker 2: had an NFL GM tell me years ago he'd love
Speaker 2: drafting Georgia guys under Mark Richt. He goes, because they were.
Speaker 2: He goes, if you drafted a Nick Saban guy at Bama,
Speaker 2: he'd already wheezed all the juice out of the player.
Speaker 2: He goes these Georgia guys like they still had two
Speaker 2: gears of shifting, you know, like you were always like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're way better than you think. The other thing is
Speaker 2: that the transfer portal and the NIL have actually created parody.
Speaker 2: When I was talking with a guy today who's he
Speaker 2: runs a message board for Ohio State, and I said,
Speaker 2: you know, you used to be able to years ago
Speaker 2: when you had one hundred and twenty five scholarships and
Speaker 2: the John McKay era for us. See, you'd take like
Speaker 2: four running backs in the West Coast just to hog
Speaker 2: them even if he didn't play him. And then we
Speaker 2: got down to eighty five scholarships. And you can still
Speaker 2: do a little bit of that. Nick Saban can do it.
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart Well, Now a backup left tackle at let's
Speaker 2: say Ohio State Louisville comes in and says, we'll pay
Speaker 2: it three hundred thousand dollars you're a starter for us,
Speaker 2: or a right tackle at Ohio State, Well, he's you
Speaker 2: want to be a left tackle and show that scouts
Speaker 2: that you know, whoever's got money, whatever team a Texas
Speaker 2: and m can say, come here, start at left tackle.
Speaker 2: So there's less depth. And then then then an Ohio
Speaker 2: State could lose an elite offensive tackle where it's always
Speaker 2: been my whole life. The top programs have tour they
Speaker 2: have backups that would start, except for there's a first
Speaker 2: round guy in front of them. Well that guy now
Speaker 2: just goes and plays at a lesser program.
Speaker 1: Gone.
Speaker 2: And so if you have an injury, so let's say
Speaker 2: you're Georgia and you lose you know, brock Bowers, and
Speaker 2: then a tight end gets hurt and the other tight
Speaker 2: end who you had, he got purchased by Wake Forest
Speaker 2: or somebody or Oregon. Well, now now your tight ends
Speaker 2: no better than the guy Purdue. So these teams like
Speaker 2: Alabama and Georgia and Ohio State, if they have a
Speaker 2: key O line injury or a linebacker injury, they don't
Speaker 2: have great backups. Those guys have been purchased in the
Speaker 2: NIL to go to lesser programs. And I mean I
Speaker 2: know a program that was I mean Washington, I mean
Speaker 2: they were in the Harbaugh Michigan teams. They were like, okay,
Speaker 2: who's not starting that we recruited? Who's a five star guy?
Speaker 2: Who's behind a you know, a sophomore who's got two
Speaker 2: more years there that's the game. Now.
Speaker 1: I think Ohio State, though, if you look at this
Speaker 1: offseason as well.
Speaker 2: Reported they spent twenty million.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think these numbers. Yeah, it could be twenty five,
Speaker 1: could be eighteen, could be twelve. You know, who knows
Speaker 1: the actual number. But they spent a lot relative and
Speaker 1: I think widely considered the most of any college football team.
Speaker 1: And they bought Ferraris. I mean, Caleb Downs would start
Speaker 1: for every NFL team immediately. He's great. You know, they
Speaker 1: bought multiple sweet players and then they signed Kansas State's quarterback,
Speaker 1: who some believe was not going to be their starter
Speaker 1: anymore because the other kid that was coming up they
Speaker 1: played this year. They were going to go to him
Speaker 1: a little more dynamic. And you look and you go, well,
Speaker 1: shouldn't if you're going to buy a Ferrari and a
Speaker 1: range Rover and not have a garage. But it's a
Speaker 1: pretty risky move, you know. The cam Ward was clearly
Speaker 1: the guy, but you go Chip, Kelly, Ryan Day. I
Speaker 1: bet they wouldn't really love cam.
Speaker 2: Ward a little bit.
Speaker 1: You know, that's not really their type player, especially Chip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, doing his own thing.
Speaker 1: Will Howard or Will Howard, that's yeah, it was much
Speaker 1: more their type guy. And you watch Kyle McCord a
Speaker 1: Syracuse who just takes down Miami. He's had a pretty
Speaker 1: good year. Yeah, they blamed everything on him last year
Speaker 1: and listen, he was up and down for him. But
Speaker 1: I think sometimes in this nil era, when you're paying people,
Speaker 1: especially quarterbacks, a lot of money, you can start doing
Speaker 1: finger pointing, where in the history of the sport you
Speaker 1: would just give that guy a couple of years to
Speaker 1: be your starter and maybe that one year you look back,
Speaker 1: you win the national championship the next year, and you go,
Speaker 1: we live through that. Look what Harbad did with JJ
Speaker 1: McCarthy and that crew of guys. They lost that devastating
Speaker 1: game to Tissue TCU. Right, it was hard to stomach.
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, everyone came back and they
Speaker 1: won it. Well. Now in the nil era, if you
Speaker 1: like you're just pointing the finger, you make a couple
Speaker 1: guys transfer, they're not good enough, you upgrade. You watch
Speaker 1: how could you lose a game where the opposing team
Speaker 1: If I told you at the start, how much money
Speaker 1: would you put on Ohio State? If they're starting quarterback
Speaker 1: through for sixty yards and threw two picks, you'd be like,
Speaker 1: I bet they win the game forty to ten.
Speaker 2: I thought I predicted to kill him. I thought it
Speaker 2: was gonna be I honestly thought thirty eight to thirteen
Speaker 2: would be close. I thought it was gonna be a blowout.
Speaker 1: You just can't. You just can't fake toughness. And I've
Speaker 1: been around these coaches long enough and know these guys
Speaker 1: in these NFL teams and these programs, some guys have
Speaker 1: it and some guys don't, and a small percentage truly
Speaker 1: have it. Like Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, it's not about
Speaker 1: like your size or your coach, but you're like everyone
Speaker 1: when you walk into the room, they kind of they're
Speaker 1: their shoulders. Kirby clearly has it right. It's a small
Speaker 1: percentage of guys. And Ryan he's not bad, but he
Speaker 1: was also handed I think the best program in the
Speaker 1: country with unlimited resources and will do whatever he wants.
Speaker 1: And they are regressing four straight times in Michigan. I
Speaker 1: think he's a loss. We'll see who they end up
Speaker 1: playing in the first round. Let's just say they play Tennessee.
Speaker 1: That's why I thought if they play a team like
Speaker 1: and they lose, I mean, you, now, who are they
Speaker 1: gonna hire, Like it's Mike Vrabel's not coming to college
Speaker 1: ball in this era, right, so it's like who you know,
Speaker 1: do you hire the Iowa State coach? There's no it's
Speaker 1: you might just get the same thing, Like you're probably
Speaker 1: not getting Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, you know, the next
Speaker 1: version of that. So you're just this is where they're
Speaker 1: kind of you know, it's not that bad, but it's
Speaker 1: clearly not good enough because if you can't get Michigan now,
Speaker 1: like you just beat a team that was so desperate.
Speaker 1: They paid a kid twelve fifteen million dollars to be
Speaker 1: their quarterback who's seventeen years old. That's the team you
Speaker 1: just lost to.
Speaker 2: All right, I want to finish up USC Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: By the way, Marcus Freeman, the coach for Notre Dame,
Speaker 2: Peter Schrager is reporting this, and this is the second
Speaker 2: person I've heard it from. Marcus Freeman. The Chicago Bears
Speaker 2: are interested culture builder. So just throw that out there.
Speaker 2: That's being talked about in NFL circles. Notre Dame coach
Speaker 2: Marcus Freeman.
Speaker 1: Would would you leave Notre Dame making ten million dollars
Speaker 1: a year to the Bears?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: If you had to answer to Kevin Wesley and I
Speaker 1: would not even know.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting. They can't get rid of Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 2: He had his contract turned over, so it's nine years,
Speaker 2: ninety million left. They just put three hundred million into
Speaker 2: the facilities. They're collectives up to eighteen million, so that
Speaker 2: it's not a money issue. They're collective and now to
Speaker 2: eighteen million dollars. I was told by an agent yesterday
Speaker 2: that's not it. But it's so they're not going to
Speaker 2: get rid of Lincoln. They're not going to do it us.
Speaker 2: He's not going to buy him out. It's not the SEC.
Speaker 2: And his best talent is young, and their defensive line
Speaker 2: talent they've recruited the last two years is much better.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. But this goes back to the Ryan
Speaker 2: Day thing. So he was handed an Oklahoma program and
Speaker 2: the culture was set, and he was very clever. He
Speaker 2: was he was a better offensive guy than Stoops. So
Speaker 2: he goes to USC and he doesn't really have to
Speaker 2: build a culture because Caleb Williams is so much better
Speaker 2: than everybody else in the conference. And they win eleven games,
Speaker 2: should have beaten two Langes at a one to twelve.
Speaker 2: The following year, about halfway through, you're like, wow, they
Speaker 2: have to replace the defensive staff. He deserves credit for that.
Speaker 2: But if you I believe, and somebody said this to me,
Speaker 2: they said, he's getting Why isn't he replacing offensive coaches.
Speaker 2: They have one good, not great offensive tackle in the
Speaker 2: program three years in. The backup left tackle is six
Speaker 2: two three ten, he's a center. They have one really
Speaker 2: nice draftable running back in three years he's leaving. They
Speaker 2: don't have a draftable defensive player on this team. I
Speaker 2: think Camari Ramsey, the safety's draftable next year. Notre Dame
Speaker 2: is a better football team, should have won. It's not that,
Speaker 2: but now we're going into year four. Forget the defense,
Speaker 2: which is better but not elite. They don't have enough
Speaker 2: good offensive town this quarterback. They have za Ham and Egger.
Speaker 2: I mean, he either he can't read the middle of
Speaker 2: the field or they don't trust him. Everything's up the sidelines,
Speaker 2: everything's bubble screen up the sideline. They don't throw the
Speaker 2: ball in the middle of the field. What I am
Speaker 2: hearing is he is alienated LA high school coaches. I
Speaker 2: mean they're LA recruiting stinks, so USC is trapped here.
Speaker 2: They can't buy him out. He's gotten stubborn on the
Speaker 2: offensive coaching where they're just not getting outside a receiver.
Speaker 2: They s don't have good enough players, forgettable running backs,
Speaker 2: forgettable tight ends, don't have any tackles outside of Elijah
Speaker 2: paid left tackle. When they signed him to a ten
Speaker 2: year deal, you thought you were getting a steal.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 2: This is the first time I've really I look at
Speaker 2: it and I'm like, wait a minute. They're getting worse
Speaker 2: every six games from the beginning of Caleb's first year
Speaker 2: to the next six, to the beginning of year two
Speaker 2: to the last six. This team beat LSU at the
Speaker 2: end of the year. The last three years, they're not
Speaker 2: a very good football team. That is bad coaching.
Speaker 1: If I would have told you in August that they
Speaker 1: would have one more win on December first than UCLA,
Speaker 1: he would have said, John, put down the drugs. I
Speaker 1: thought UCLA was gonna win like two games this season.
Speaker 1: And honestly, it's not like they beat the brakes off them.
Speaker 1: That game probably could have gone either way.
Speaker 2: Ye the fourth quarter close.
Speaker 1: Yeah, UCLA being five and seven and you being six
Speaker 1: and six. What a disaster for the USC.
Speaker 2: Ucla has no money in their collective. USC has eighteen million,
Speaker 2: So it's it's it's not a fair fight.
Speaker 1: Well, let's you know, we've talked about Ryan Day. He
Speaker 1: inherits Ohio State. The recruiting mechanism was already set in place,
Speaker 1: like what Lincoln had in Oklahoma under Bob Stoops. It
Speaker 1: was already the guys flowing there. He just had to
Speaker 1: keep it rolling, and he's done that. It's why his
Speaker 1: disasters are ten and two. Everyone wants to fire him
Speaker 1: Lincoln would die for that. Lincoln had to start it
Speaker 1: from scratch. To me, if you don't nail the best
Speaker 1: players in California, obviously the transfer portal has changed classes
Speaker 1: a little bit. That's pretty embarrassing. And I get this
Speaker 1: is not the Pete heyday, but like, why do Kirby
Speaker 1: and Nick and the guys that win in the South
Speaker 1: wind because they nail the players in their region? Yes,
Speaker 1: and there it's harder because you have to recruit. If
Speaker 1: you're at LSU, at Georgia, at Alabama, you know, Florida
Speaker 1: ever got good Now Tennessee, you're all recruiting against each other.
Speaker 1: Like obviously Oregon has to come down to southern California,
Speaker 1: but you still have a huge advantage and everything. The
Speaker 1: nostalgia of the Reggie Bush, of what it used to be,
Speaker 1: it's just gotta be gone. If you meet someone now
Speaker 1: and young people that work for you, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm around young people, Like a twenty five year old
Speaker 1: was born in two thousand, right, So that guy in
Speaker 1: the heyday of Liner and Reggie and Lindel White was
Speaker 1: five or six years old. So those guys that are
Speaker 1: now eighteen years old, think about it, they were like
Speaker 1: the Clay Helton era. So this this nostalgia of what
Speaker 1: used to be exists to me and you or older people,
Speaker 1: not to the people that matter the most. And if
Speaker 1: you piss off these high school coaches, like the high
Speaker 1: school coaches are the lifeblood of someone's program because they
Speaker 1: funnel you guys. I mean, they are very very important.
Speaker 1: Obviously now money has changed hands. But to me, sc
Speaker 1: like Caleb Downs whoever, that the equivalent of those type
Speaker 1: players every year they should it should be between Ohio State,
Speaker 1: USC and Texas. Like if they're not in on every
Speaker 1: why Er Sark and Ohio State's roster is so good
Speaker 1: because they're buying all the sweet players who are available.
Speaker 1: And obviously they recruit really well. What is Lincoln gonna
Speaker 1: have a top ten recruiting class this year in the nation.
Speaker 2: Top twenty with twelve to fourteen.
Speaker 1: And here's the problem. Ohio State, even with Ryan Day,
Speaker 1: is not going anywhere. If they keep them for the
Speaker 1: next five years, they're gonna win ten or eleven games
Speaker 1: every year. Oregon clearly is going nowhere. And listen, we
Speaker 1: can Washington see what.
Speaker 2: James Jedfish can recruit. So jed Fish will get that
Speaker 2: puppy to nine wins.
Speaker 1: Fast, and I've heard that they did not use much
Speaker 1: nil money this year because they wanted to take a
Speaker 1: deep breath. They're gonna be blown it this year, so
Speaker 1: they will be aggressive and Penn State. We've already seen
Speaker 1: the stats over the last six years or seven years.
Speaker 1: If they would have had the playoffs, they'd be in
Speaker 1: it every year. And the one thing James hangs his
Speaker 1: hat on is recruiting. Yeah right, it's one thing you say.
Speaker 1: James Franklin is great at recruiting, right in game coaching recruiting.
Speaker 1: So I you could argue this could just nothing could change,
Speaker 1: you know, six and six, maybe they're eight and four.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. They'd have to catch lightning in
Speaker 1: a bottle. I I don't know if you're ever going
Speaker 1: to see the Lincoln that they bought. I think this
Speaker 1: might be the new normal, you know, which is when
Speaker 1: you're paying that type of premium. What was that building?
Speaker 1: Was that a home game for Notre Dame?
Speaker 2: No, it was. It was seventy five and that was
Speaker 2: eighty twenty usc it was a.
Speaker 1: Notre Dame was not an apathetic group yet, but it's
Speaker 1: they've got to be pretty down right the big toward apathy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Big Ten saves them because the Nebraska's, Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan,
Speaker 2: Ohio State travels so well. That's what really saves them.
Speaker 2: They'll have good revenue because of their collective and let's
Speaker 2: be honest, twenty thousand Big Ten fans winner, they're going
Speaker 2: to la to watch that game.
Speaker 1: To me, where you have no excuse, like listen, you
Speaker 1: lose Oregon, you lose Ohio State, Like maybe you're not
Speaker 1: as good. You cannot be losing to the middle of
Speaker 1: the pack Maryland. And when you look at the middle
Speaker 1: of the pack and the Big Ten, what is the
Speaker 1: difference between UCLA and Rutgers and USC. Like that's that's
Speaker 1: what would really shake me if I was a USC fan,
Speaker 1: is we're not just middle of the pack. From a
Speaker 1: talent standpoint. When I watch him play, it looks the same.
Speaker 1: It's always been my defense of the SEC. It's like
Speaker 1: you just watched the sect different, Like, yeah, there's just more.
Speaker 1: Obviously Ohio State and Oregon have the equivalent, but the
Speaker 1: middle of the Big Ten and the middle of the SEC,
Speaker 1: even if the records are the same, the talent discreptancy
Speaker 1: is obvious. And the USC's did they kind of had
Speaker 1: an easy schedule this year. Did they play Ohio State?
Speaker 2: They did not play Ohio State, nor do they play
Speaker 2: Ohio State next year. So if you look at I
Speaker 2: mean Lincoln got a big break. He didn't get or
Speaker 2: get her Ohio State this year. He didn't get Ohio
Speaker 2: State next year. So even it's funny you ask, I
Speaker 2: looked at USC schedule yesterday and they have the home
Speaker 2: in the ways, it's a really they get Michigan at home,
Speaker 2: they get a couple of their you know, they get
Speaker 2: a couple of their tough games at home, so they're
Speaker 2: getting They don't have an LSU on the schedule. They
Speaker 2: play like Georgia, Southern Southwest, Missouri State. They do an
Speaker 2: sec out a conference schedule, so that if you look
Speaker 2: at the schedule next year, John, it is by Big
Speaker 2: Ten standards, it is a cakewalk.
Speaker 1: The other thing is and obviously football at USC is
Speaker 1: way bigger than basketball. Yeah, but Muscleman kind of has
Speaker 1: a history of winning and just kind of playing the
Speaker 1: party right. So he's just god. He just can shake
Speaker 1: some hands, he can put on a smile, he can
Speaker 1: play the part like you don't get to be just
Speaker 1: grumpy Belichick in college, right, you can do that in
Speaker 1: the NFL. As long as you win in college, you
Speaker 1: do have to shake hands donors nil. And now they're
Speaker 1: going to be comparing in Derek Musselman, who's been winning
Speaker 1: at all these places, and then you got Lincoln kind
Speaker 1: of Henri scowls, not smiling. I think you asked yourself,
Speaker 1: and this is what I said from the beginning. Does
Speaker 1: he even want to be there? Did he just get
Speaker 1: an offer so gigantic that no human could turn down?
Speaker 1: Where it's like he was already so rich, he's looking
Speaker 1: at his bank account my life. Do I regret this?
Speaker 1: I think you got to say, if he could do
Speaker 1: if he could do it over again? Is he the
Speaker 1: coach at USC right now? I think you'd have to
Speaker 1: say no, right.
Speaker 2: I still think he believes based on the recruiting, the
Speaker 2: interior defensive line recruiting the last couple of years. I
Speaker 2: think he believes next year's the season. But they don't
Speaker 2: have a quarterback. They don't have an elite quarterback, so shit,
Speaker 2: who knows. John Middlcoff, former NFL scout, as Ola was
Speaker 2: crushed it, buddy.
Speaker 1: Thanks goin, talk to you soon. The volume