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Speaker 2: to Michigan thirteen, Ohio State ten. We have to talk

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Speaker 2: about a couple of college football situations. So I did

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Speaker 2: not think. I think this is the biggest in the

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Speaker 2: history of this rivalry. It's got to be the biggest upset.

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Speaker 2: Michigan passed for sixty two yards, had two picks on

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Speaker 2: the road, and still won. I mean Michigan hasn't thrown

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Speaker 2: the ball. Michigan's a very easy team to defend. They

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Speaker 2: can't pass, you can be hyper aggressive. So I thought.

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Speaker 2: One of the things I compared today in my car,

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Speaker 2: I did a little thing on Twitter. I compared Ryan Day,

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Speaker 2: the Ohio State coach. I wouldn't fire him, but there's

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Speaker 2: a clear hole. He's Mark Richt. So Mark Rick had

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Speaker 2: been a quarterback coach like Day, was an offensive coordinator

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Speaker 2: like Day, and then got a blue blood job. And

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Speaker 2: I always felt when watching Georgia under Mark Richt. He

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Speaker 2: had several top ten finishes, but in the big games,

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Speaker 2: you never felt they got the most out of the roster.

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Speaker 2: And that's exactly how I feel about Ryan Day is

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Speaker 2: that he can recruit like Ricked. He's a nice guy

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Speaker 2: like Ricked. But those Georgia teams never had an identity.

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Speaker 2: They just had really good players. Even when they had

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Speaker 2: like I think Matt Stafford he had like he would have.

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Speaker 2: They would they would have moments and you'd be like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: this team's the best in the country. And they won

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Speaker 2: a lot of big games. He won three out of

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Speaker 2: four games he coaches, and Ryan Day wins by out

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Speaker 2: of six games he coaches. But they have no identity.

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Speaker 2: And I thought that game. Here's my take. So Ryan

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Speaker 2: Day is one of those guys that you know Urban Meyer.

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Speaker 2: He went to Bowling Green, he went at Utah, he

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Speaker 2: he has got a lot of confidence. His shit works,

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Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh, My shit works, right, Ryan Day. What does

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Speaker 2: he fall back on? So remember when he got really defensive,

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Speaker 2: when old Lou Holtz took a shot at him and

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Speaker 2: they won a game. In a post game, he takes

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Speaker 2: a shot at rickety old blue holes and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute, well, why do you care about that?

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Speaker 2: Because he doesn't have a history of success Mark Rick did.

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Speaker 2: Neither is that when you you know, save Michigan State, LSU, Alabama, NFL,

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Speaker 2: that works. Ryan Day doesn't have a formula that works.

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Speaker 2: He's two and foreign bulls. He can't beat Michigan now

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Speaker 2: four years in a row. And I thought the game

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Speaker 2: plan was fascinating John. He was trying to prove how

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Speaker 2: tough Ohio State was in the first half. Say, bro,

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Speaker 2: you have major matchup advantages at wide receiver. He wanted

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Speaker 2: to prove, Hey, people say we're not this. This game's

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Speaker 2: always decided by rushing yards. I'm gonna approve. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: blow this hole. I can't coach tough football teams because

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Speaker 2: he got very defensive with lou Holtz questioning that. And

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Speaker 2: this is Ryan Day and we'll get into Lincoln Riley

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Speaker 2: in a second. He's a little lost when you start

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Speaker 2: worrying about voices outside the building and narratives and it

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Speaker 1: You know, I've had this theory with politics for a

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Speaker 1: but their clips go viral and I'm on a million

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Speaker 1: text chains that see them constantly, and they're constantly lecturing

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Speaker 1: people that whether it was Biden's cognitive ability or that

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Speaker 1: Look at his record and it's like, guys, most human

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Speaker 1: enough to see Pete Carroll Urban Meyer, Nick Saban k

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Speaker 1: Looks like they also know that the Big Ten, beside

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Speaker 1: but no one cares. It's like James Harden scoring fifty

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Speaker 1: so you get beat as happens Kirby Smart's.

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Speaker 2: Losses last year, Michigan had better players than Ohio State, they.

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Speaker 1: Had seventy guys drafted or whatever this year. You we've

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Speaker 1: all seen crazy games in college. We've seen twenty plus

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Speaker 1: like Vince Young that was a national championship game, right,

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Speaker 1: But he tried to get into a heavyweight fight with

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Speaker 1: to run it up the middle. It's like they're two

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Speaker 1: But I keep thinking that after the game and everyone

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Speaker 1: shitting on Ryan Day, it's like, well, they've been lectured

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Speaker 1: like I'm just waiting for him to beat another Like

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Speaker 1: So you're watching him and you go the cockiness the

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Speaker 1: You know, this guy had never been a head coach. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State fans literally know what it looks like with

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Speaker 1: We have this pass and here's I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: night and I went to watch him live. Sark takes

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Speaker 1: and the program's his baby. But the play calling well,

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Speaker 1: he's this offensive minded guy, has to hire Chip Kelly

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Speaker 1: and you're watching him on offense just look terrible against

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Speaker 1: a Michigan team. Their best corner Will Johnson, who might

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Speaker 1: so you're not gonna fire him today. I don't see

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Speaker 1: I do think Ohio State fans and I'm an Ohio

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Speaker 1: be tired of being lectured constantly by and listen, I

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Speaker 1: get it, Joe Klatt and all these guys at Ohio

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Speaker 1: State is a huge part of the business and they're awesome.

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Speaker 1: I like watching them too, but like we have to

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Speaker 1: riot a day, Like Kirby Smarts, the Nick Saban's like,

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Speaker 1: he's not Urban Myers, He's not even remotely on their level.

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Speaker 2: No, he's not.

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Speaker 1: He's not even debatable.

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Speaker 2: No, No, he is much closer to Mark Richt, who

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Speaker 2: you know, George is better now without Mark Richt, who

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Speaker 2: When I was talking with a guy today who's he

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Speaker 2: the John McKay era for us. See, you'd take like

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Speaker 2: Kirby Smart Well, Now a backup left tackle at let's

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Speaker 2: say Ohio State Louisville comes in and says, we'll pay

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Speaker 2: or a right tackle at Ohio State, Well, he's you

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Speaker 2: want to be a left tackle and show that scouts

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Speaker 2: So there's less depth. And then then then an Ohio

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Speaker 2: been my whole life. The top programs have tour they

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Speaker 2: And so if you have an injury, so let's say

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Speaker 2: have great backups. Those guys have been purchased in the

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Speaker 2: All right, I want to finish up USC Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: Would would you leave Notre Dame making ten million dollars

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Speaker 2: But it's interesting. They can't get rid of Lincoln Riley.

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Speaker 1: you're paying that type of premium. What was that building?

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Speaker 1: Was that a home game for Notre Dame?

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Speaker 2: No, it was. It was seventy five and that was

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame was not an apathetic group yet, but it's

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Speaker 1: they've got to be pretty down right the big toward apathy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Big Ten saves them because the Nebraska's, Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan,

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Speaker 2: Ohio State travels so well. That's what really saves them.

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Speaker 2: They'll have good revenue because of their collective and let's

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Speaker 2: be honest, twenty thousand Big Ten fans winner, they're going

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Speaker 1: To me, where you have no excuse, like listen, you

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Speaker 1: as good. You cannot be losing to the middle of

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Speaker 1: the pack Maryland. And when you look at the middle

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Speaker 1: of the pack and the Big Ten, what is the

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Speaker 1: difference between UCLA and Rutgers and USC. Like that's that's

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Speaker 1: what would really shake me if I was a USC fan,

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Speaker 1: is we're not just middle of the pack. From a

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Speaker 1: talent standpoint. When I watch him play, it looks the same.

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Speaker 1: It's always been my defense of the SEC. It's like

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Speaker 1: Obviously Ohio State and Oregon have the equivalent, but the

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Speaker 1: even if the records are the same, the talent discreptancy

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Speaker 1: an easy schedule this year. Did they play Ohio State?

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Speaker 2: They did not play Ohio State, nor do they play

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Speaker 2: Ohio State next year. So if you look at I

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Speaker 2: mean Lincoln got a big break. He didn't get or

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Speaker 2: get her Ohio State this year. He didn't get Ohio

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Speaker 2: State next year. So even it's funny you ask, I

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Speaker 2: looked at USC schedule yesterday and they have the home

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Speaker 2: in the ways, it's a really they get Michigan at home,

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Speaker 2: they get a couple of their you know, they get

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Speaker 2: a couple of their tough games at home, so they're

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Speaker 2: getting They don't have an LSU on the schedule. They

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Speaker 2: play like Georgia, Southern Southwest, Missouri State. They do an

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Speaker 2: sec out a conference schedule, so that if you look

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Speaker 2: at the schedule next year, John, it is by Big

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Speaker 2: Ten standards, it is a cakewalk.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is and obviously football at USC is

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Speaker 1: way bigger than basketball. Yeah, but Muscleman kind of has

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Speaker 1: a history of winning and just kind of playing the

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Speaker 1: party right. So he's just god. He just can shake

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Speaker 1: some hands, he can put on a smile, he can

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Speaker 1: play the part like you don't get to be just

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Speaker 1: grumpy Belichick in college, right, you can do that in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. As long as you win in college, you

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Speaker 1: do have to shake hands donors nil. And now they're

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Speaker 1: going to be comparing in Derek Musselman, who's been winning

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Speaker 1: of Henri scowls, not smiling. I think you asked yourself,

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Speaker 1: and this is what I said from the beginning. Does

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Speaker 1: he even want to be there? Did he just get

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Speaker 1: an offer so gigantic that no human could turn down?

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Speaker 1: Where it's like he was already so rich, he's looking

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Speaker 1: at his bank account my life. Do I regret this?

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Speaker 1: I think you got to say, if he could do

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Speaker 1: if he could do it over again? Is he the

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Speaker 1: coach at USC right now? I think you'd have to

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Speaker 1: say no, right.

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Speaker 2: I still think he believes based on the recruiting, the

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Speaker 2: interior defensive line recruiting the last couple of years. I

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Speaker 2: think he believes next year's the season. But they don't

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Speaker 2: have a quarterback. They don't have an elite quarterback, so shit,

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Speaker 2: who knows. John Middlcoff, former NFL scout, as Ola was

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Speaker 2: crushed it, buddy.

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Speaker 1: Thanks goin, talk to you soon. The volume