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Speaker 2: Look at this now.

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Speaker 1: Tip to Tim.

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Speaker 2: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 2: spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This is Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Ohh how good does it feel to hair that sound?

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Speaker 2: Monday July first, twenty twenty four and we are back

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Speaker 2: at it with an absolute bang. This is Morning Combat,

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Speaker 2: a show that was once award winning, Luke, and is

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Speaker 2: now you know, hanging on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's award winning and now it's still going.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's about it, still going successfully. Back in your

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Speaker 2: life here, Manhattan, Metal Larks Studio. Here, Luke Thomas, Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Hangover time from UFC three three. What went down Saturday

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Speaker 2: day in Las Vegas International Fight Week? So much to

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Speaker 2: talk about coming out of that. We have a very

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Speaker 2: special guest at twelve Eastern time, Gilbert Burns, friend of

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Speaker 2: the program. Luke, going to be talking to us ahead

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Speaker 2: of his return against Sean Brady, and a lot to

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Speaker 2: get into with her. He did not respond to my well,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Randy will be a pillow if necessary.

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Speaker 1: He didn't respond this morning when I reminded him, but

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Speaker 1: we'll see. So he definitely. I'll say this, Gilbert Burns

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Speaker 1: definitely agreed to be here at noon, yes, several days ago.

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Speaker 1: Whether he'll be here, who's to say.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we're gonna find out. He show up on

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Speaker 2: aerial show probably soon. All right, there we go, all

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Speaker 2: right speaking if you want to going into the hall.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations to a double j there, Luke. Also, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have a great show. Looking back at the boxing over

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Speaker 2: the weekend, Bam Rodriguez, as you said, we don't talk

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Speaker 1: That was the best fight of the weekend.

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Speaker 2: That was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Of anything that took place, I'm not saying it was

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Speaker 1: the best kol though it was a very good kohot ko.

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Speaker 1: But but it was as an overall fight because the

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Speaker 2: But saved the events.

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Speaker 1: When I say that, I remember I'm talking about the

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Speaker 1: back and forth. Yes, it was just one way. How

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Speaker 1: Seven total? Seven?

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Speaker 2: Well, he has a lot to think about, Luke, about

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Speaker 2: his future.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know why. I I get why he was

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Speaker 2: I really do believe that Jama baby so much shrauma.

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Speaker 1: Got to him a little. I can't see why he

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Speaker 2: You know who would fuck him up to some white magic?

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Speaker 2: merch which Luke looking spectacularly young in this beautiful bomber jacket,

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Speaker 2: Luke is on the other end of the phone. Okay. Reportedly,

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Speaker 1: And say, well, actually I actually touch base with him,

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Speaker 2: Still working for He's a young dad, that man.

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Speaker 2: But you know people want to always say, well, you

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Speaker 2: Well not until we get through this legal issue, but outside,

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Speaker 2: your voice today Long Island? Look how we doing boys? There?

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Speaker 2: never open it. That's Luke Thomas way. You know you'll

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Speaker 1: You know whose movies I've been watching recently? I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of Haya Miyazaki.

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Speaker 1: So let's go over what happened between the first and

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Speaker 1: here was a decent test of his wrestling which he

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Speaker 2: So is that the Glover to share effect next level?

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Speaker 1: He clearly has a natural aptitude for it. But the

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Speaker 1: Quickly but it's more than that, and this is the

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Speaker 1: but you're looking at someone who is a natural born

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Speaker 2: And there's no like unique comparison because what he's doing

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Speaker 2: just a two division champion. Yes, and he's taken to

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Speaker 1: And the high kick that you landed. Did you come

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Speaker 5: Actually was the locker room talking to plan on my

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Speaker 2: Luke. This leads me into my critical question here. I

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Speaker 2: finding a warm up video of Yurie in the locker

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Speaker 1: The story of this fight as best I can tell,

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Speaker 2: Except it didn't work.

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Speaker 1: Preta was able to shut down the value of the

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Speaker 1: So it's like, here's the thing. He brought this up,

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Speaker 1: But Prahschka's hands are down all the fucking time. They're

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Speaker 1: Look where his hands are. His hands are down constantly.

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Speaker 2: who put out a very honest postfight visit video that

435
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 2: does ask a very interesting question that only he can answer.

436
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 2: Hello everyone, thank you for all your support. Thanks to

437
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,359
Speaker 2: you Alex for a fight. What's better?

438
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 3: And only one thing goes on my mind that I

439
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 3: need to evolve to the next level.

440
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:36,199
Speaker 2: Or don't fight again. So it's simple to be the strongest.

441
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 3: This is the way, thank you, she d the gym Luke.

442
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 2: The pro hots Galorian is right, this is the way.

443
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 2: The only way to stay at the title level is

444
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 2: to evolve. But he's talking about all or nothing, evolve

445
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 2: or get out of the sport. Is it in him?

446
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 2: He's only had what four or five you have sea fights?

447
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 2: He's still relatively young enough in a division that does

448
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 2: allow you to age gracefully. Do you see this guy

449
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 2: fixing these holes or is it these holes that make

450
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: him extra dangerous? Kind of like Johnny Walker in a way,

451
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 2: although he's more skilled, you would say, or more dangerous,

452
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 2: but like, can you change his spots? Luke, this old

453
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 2: ass dog? Can he learn some new tricks? I would

454
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 2: have questions about it. Johnny Walker type? What do you

455
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 2: think about a Prodsko type?

456
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: I am skeptical, but I don't know. I feel like

457
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 1: his style is just baked in at this point. This

458
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: is just kind of what you're going to get. This

459
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,239
Speaker 1: is where he is, this is what it looks like.

460
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: I definitely think he can tighten some things up.

461
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but work off with seriously, work with a high guard.

462
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 2: We'll figure out how to work that any more.

463
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: Right, But because he likes to go low to high,

464
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: so you have to take away a lot of the

465
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: weapons that he has been relying on that to his

466
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: point have worked against just about everybody else.

467
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 2: It'll declaw him if he tries too hard.

468
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 1: But it's gonna declaw him if he tries too hard.

469
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 1: So I kind of feel like it's not correct to

470
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: say that Prahaschka is overrated. That's not true because he

471
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: has the ability to overcome. He's a physical beast and

472
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: he has been very, very durable. But I will say this,

473
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: he is fatally flawed. He is fatally flawed. The amount

474
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: of difficulty that he has, an amount of friction he

475
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 1: has baked in to his style at this point. I mean,

476
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: you'd be throwing the baby out with the bathwater too.

477
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 1: That's what helps him get over the hump against all

478
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: these other guys. The question that comes up is should

479
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: he go to heavyweight or is it even possible to

480
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: go to middleweight? I remember he's that before. That seems

481
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: kind of interesting. I don't know what that would do necessarily,

482
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: But in.

483
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 2: That heavyweight he'd be quick, he'd be very quick.

484
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 1: And he's athletic as shit. He's very athletic, and he's

485
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: very powerful too. Like he's got some real physical traits

486
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: and he's got some ability.

487
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: What if he worked more of a high kick in.

488
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I think that would help a lot like

489
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: getting to the lake, kicks himself and setting it up.

490
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 1: But the music, he's got such an open, off balance style. Yeah,

491
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: you know you The problem with that style is you

492
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: can actually get pretty far, and he got to a

493
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: title level with it BC.

494
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 2: You saw that.

495
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 1: However, once it becomes unglued, it's very hard to put

496
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 1: back together, and it can.

497
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: Become un It can become unglued by people figuring you out,

498
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,719
Speaker 2: or it can become unglued by you becoming physically unglued

499
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: from taking two Jared hurt and boxing right, yeah, making

500
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 2: Fight of the Years, beating Arislandi. Laura be like like,

501
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 2: you're like, oh shit, He's a steam train. He's not

502
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 2: a skill to everybody else but Luke. Eventually that train

503
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: if you can't keep feeding it, Yes, and you're true

504
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: that damage. That's interesting all right, Back to poton to

505
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 2: clothes and this is the big one. He reiterates afterwards

506
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: that yeah, he wants to go to heavyweight. He's not

507
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: done trying to be great in figuring out what his

508
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 2: ceiling is. A third division champion, the holy grail he

509
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 2: wants it. Turns out Joe Rogan really wants it, Echoing

510
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 2: a lot of fans, not all fans, but echoing a

511
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: lot of fans and almost pushing that agenda on the broadcast.

512
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: Let's hear from Dana White. Here's part of him talking

513
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: about post fight, the possibility, what he thinks about it

514
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: in the mindset of poton for asking this, and we'll

515
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: debate it.

516
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: On the other side, a lot of people are saying,

517
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: Alex beahead of heavyweight is awfully atriguing. I know, we

518
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: got Jones and Steve b A, we got acid.

519
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: All in blades.

520
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 7: I'm standing up there with the belt and I had

521
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 7: Joe Rogan in my ear the whole time we were

522
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 7: up there. Let them fight heavyweight. Come on, just do

523
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,479
Speaker 7: it so I know that's what people want to see.

524
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 7: We'll see how this whole thing plays out. I'll fight

525
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 7: wherever you want, whenever you want. He's ready to turn

526
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 7: around and wants to fight again right away. So he's

527
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 7: that guy. He's a savage man. The guy's an absolute

528
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 7: stud and not to mention the fact that he's a

529
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 7: smart guy and realizes time isn't your friend in this

530
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 7: game and get in there accomplish as many great things

531
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 7: as you can. Like you guys were saying whoever said

532
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 7: it earlier. Look at what a huge star he's becoming

533
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 7: such a short amount of time. Because people in the

534
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 7: fight business love guys who want to fight, love guys

535
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 7: who who want to finish, love guys who want to compete.

536
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 7: As a fight fan, he's like the ideal fighter that

537
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 7: you would follow and become a fan of.

538
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: Okay, that quote from Dana makes it seem like him

539
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: and I are aligned that this is potentially the best

540
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: story in all of MMA, the idea of Pereira, who

541
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: seemed to be the you know, the bride'smaid in the

542
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 2: larger story of Adasania's arc. Right, as Chuck Minnenhall pointed

543
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: out to us ahead of their first fight in MMA,

544
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: maybe this is really the Poeton story. Oh, it really

545
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 2: is the Poton story. It's in fact so much the

546
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: Poeton story. This intriguing character, slash, breakout, elite poon for pound,

547
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: future all time great superstar who has this window now

548
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 2: to do something that no one's ever done, and seems

549
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: to be the perfect sort of company man who will

550
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: bail you out last minute and deliver big performances on

551
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: short notice. Fight through two broken toes. When Connor McGregor

552
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 2: just pulled out with one. It shows you he's wired,

553
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: Dana saying in those comments like, yeah, he seems to

554
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 2: be that type of person that's sort of perfect for

555
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: an opportunity like this. Then Dana comes out with these

556
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 2: comments later in the press conference that say, it's not

557
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 2: that I'm not into it. The guy was a middleweight

558
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: then moves up to light heavyweight. He's had a couple

559
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: of fights there, defended his title. But it's not like

560
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: this guy's been in the division for two years and

561
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 2: he runs through everybody in that division. If he cleared

562
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: out a division and we were like, there's literally nobody

563
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 2: left for this guy to fight and he's thirty seven.

564
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 2: If he wants to move up to heavyweight, well we'll

565
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: let him, but that's not the case. White said, So, Luke,

566
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: this is where I think it does come down to

567
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: the debate of who UFC is right now. Are they

568
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: the content filling machine that has a certain amount of

569
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: dates and us to fill them no matter what, or

570
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: are they the opportunistic promoter they once were like they're

571
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: trying to be with the Sphere right, like no stones

572
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: left unturned and how big this Sphere show is going

573
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: to be? Well, they, in my opinion, have this great

574
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 2: story that you may not even need John Jones. For

575
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: as much as I've been talking to about Pereira versus

576
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: John Jones, forget it the three division title. Maybe maybe

577
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: Pereira's the goat if he knocks out John Jones in

578
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: there and does that, which is unthinkable. I don't even

579
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: think you actually need John Jones in this because I

580
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: think Pereira's story is so unique, so interesting, so refreshing.

581
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: Why in hell would Dana White and company look at

582
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 2: the landscape and go, we could go this way right now,

583
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: but you know what, instead, let's bring on ANKALAIAV. Let's

584
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: do a couple more one seventy or two oh five

585
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 2: title defenses. First? What am I missing here? Because after

586
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: what he just did to Perhatsko and made it look

587
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: even easier after, like we said, a somewhat debated stoppage

588
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: the first time around, and Wotan was kind of losing

589
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: the fight before he wasn't the first time around. Well,

590
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: he fixed that glitch. What else would he have to do?

591
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: He just saved the two biggest cards of the year,

592
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: save them literally, what else would he have?

593
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 8: Like?

594
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: Why would you not John Jones or not do aspitall

595
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: versus Poton in a Brazilian soccer stadium or a London

596
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: football stadium. Just do it right. So do it so.

597
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: I mean Poeton's in an interesting position. He is, As

598
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: I've said before, he's the first guy since John Jones

599
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: gave up the title in twenty twenty to bring order

600
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: to this division. He's the first one to get multiple

601
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: now consecutive title defenses going right.

602
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: So you could say yan Blekhovich tried that.

603
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: He only had he only had one defense.

604
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: Okay, well he had a nice hard blip on the radar,

605
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: a nice hard, one hard blip.

606
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: But just that this is what Patta is doing is

607
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: not by length of title ran but by somebody clearly

608
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: being the best. Blahovich was could perform well on enough

609
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: nights to get pretty far and that's not nothing. But

610
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: this guy seems like he is, seems like categorically better.

611
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: That's the first thing I'd say. Second thing I'd say

612
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: is with this guy, you've now got two of the

613
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: biggest fights you can make in all of MMA. If

614
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: is he ends up beating ddp is he and Pareta

615
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 1: five or you know, however you want to describe at

616
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: two o five with is he trying to get champ

617
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: Champ status would be a mega So do you think.

618
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: That's the number? Is that your number one counter reason

619
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,239
Speaker 2: why my emotional just give Poton what he wants. It

620
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: makes sense, not necessarily because it the outa soigna fight

621
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: that that is your number one reason why why it might.

622
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: Not Not necessarily In fact, no, because the other big

623
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: fight that you could make, and I think this is

624
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: actually maybe outside of anything McGregor does, the biggest fight

625
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: you could make in all of mma, John Jones versus Poton.

626
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: If for some reason the winner of Aspenall Blades couldn't fight,

627
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: and for some reason Steve A. Miochich, who, by the way,

628
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: now with the departure of Andrea Rolovski, has no wins

629
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: against anybody currently on the UFC roster, for some reason

630
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: he wasn't available, and they just made John Jones versus Poton.

631
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: What kind of numbers would it do? It would probably

632
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: do a million buys, which is very very difficult to

633
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: pull off.

634
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: So it would actually make us stop talking about Francis

635
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: and Gano and doing some type of crossover things.

636
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: It absolutely would. It would for at least at least

637
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: for a little while.

638
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

639
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: And by the way, if Poton won that, I mean

640
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: just completely, it would just shatter everything. But the point

641
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to make about all of this is so no,

642
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: to your point, they actually have strong incentive to do that.

643
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: But the biggest incentive they have is to keep the

644
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: calendar flowing on schedule. And they I realized they just

645
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,959
Speaker 1: had a light heavyweight title defense, but On Calive has

646
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: been waiting in the wings. He is the number one

647
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 1: contender pretty clearly. So I think what really matters to

648
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: them is, yes, would they love to have a big

649
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: fight in a novel division kind of way, not a

650
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: novel division, but you know, put poll time going up

651
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: in a third weight class for a title. But what

652
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: they really care about is keeping the train on the

653
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: tracks and keeping the trains leaving the station on time.

654
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: And so for that reason, I think what they would

655
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: rather do is just let this guy continue to defend

656
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: this light heavyweight title if he can, and then later

657
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: if it doesn't impede the schedule too much, then we

658
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: can do it. Because I know, but they but they

659
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: don't want to get to a point where they're going

660
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: to have both interim titles at heavyweight and light heavyweight

661
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: by messing around, So.

662
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 2: You're saying, because it would hold up the normal flow

663
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: of the of the title processes that we've already built

664
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: the structure, it would kind of mess it up too much.

665
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: But it's I don't know, it sort of aligns with

666
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: in my opinion, not just the post three hundred hangover,

667
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: which has been everything that's happened since three hundred before

668
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: this weekend has felt like a monster step down, but

669
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: like I want to be fired up again for a

670
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: big fight and a big rivalry or a big opportunity.

671
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: So like Ilio Taporia has maybe the biggest moment of

672
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: this year against Volkanowski, But I'm like, what's happened since?

673
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: What have they done to parade this guy around the

674
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: globe to show you that he's their next big thing.

675
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: Why are we not already announcing a Max versus Ilia

676
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: fight and already doing like you know, press tours. Like

677
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: I want to get back to that old days of

678
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: when UFC's first job was to promote that one big

679
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: night in that one big event. I know Dana's constant

680
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: gripe against boxing is, oh, it's all going out of

681
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: business sales. You know, every single fight, every single night,

682
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: it's all one night only. But it's kind of becoming

683
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: what you uf see is luke because UFC three hundred

684
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: was so much one night only in overpacking that card

685
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: that it killed the next two months in terms of

686
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: balance of the cards. And now they work so hard

687
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: just to repair and keep three h three on the

688
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: tracks on Saturday that like you kind of needed that

689
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: poets on finish just to save that from being a monumental,

690
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: you know, loot loss in terms of entertainment, and al

691
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: Connor's not going to fight this summer, shouldn't you attack

692
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: these lightning rods when these opportunities are there and turn

693
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: fights around quick and start to build that storyline. There

694
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: is an even though it's not pro wrestling, there is

695
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: an element of promotion and storytelling when done right in

696
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: the combat sports space like Pride used to do. And

697
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: I noticed that when we did the fade or what

698
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: do we call it resume review behind the music thing,

699
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: where every fight, all the broadcast was always leaning you

700
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: toward what's next, and it's always building hot fire molten lava.

701
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: I feel like there is a couple rivalries fighters title

702
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: situations atop these divisions that could be and should be

703
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: the face of what's going on in the sport. I'm

704
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: sick of this content creation era. I'm sick of this. Well,

705
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: that would be a great idea, but we do have

706
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: these dates to Phil Sun, So aunt Caliav get up next.

707
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying? Well, I mean, and

708
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: that fight's great. It's not that fight in particular i'd

709
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: be upset against. But why would you wait? The windows there?

710
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: Why would you wait?

711
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 9: This guy could be This guy could be the greatest

712
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 9: of all time. If we don't know, this guy actually

713
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 9: could be the greatest of all time. But we're gonna

714
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 9: keep the door open for John and Steepe in a fight.

715
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 9: That doesn't mean I sort of, I'll be honest, I

716
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 9: disagree with you today. I think it's not that I

717
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 9: don't want to see Jones versus Poeton.

718
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: I would love to see it. I think a lot

719
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: of people would love to see it. However, you've already

720
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: got a situation at heavyweight that is unenviable. Now it's

721
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: of their own creation in not you know, give in

722
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: making a fight dude like that, that's the thing they've

723
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: already got this like, absolutely, let's just call it what

724
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: it is. John Jones versus Steve Amocic is a gigantic

725
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: waste of everyone's fucking time.

726
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it arguably was last November. I defended it all

727
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: year later. Are you kidding?

728
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: It's a stupid fight that doesn't mean a fraction of

729
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: what they want you to believe it means. And you've

730
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: got this unresolved interim title situation which will get some

731
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: resolution to this weekend, but even then not really because

732
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: the winner still just remains the interim champion, waiting for

733
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: November and then waiting for that win or to do whatever.

734
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: And by the way, if Miochi somehow does the impossible

735
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: weekend sorry this month, if he does the impossible, well

736
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: then we're right back to the same situation. So I

737
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: think they have to pick their battles a little bit.

738
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: They've already got this mess. They have to unfuck creating

739
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: another one by then inserting Poeton into that mess before

740
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: it's resolved. I think damage is the nearby division at

741
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: light heavyweight. I don't know how good of an idea

742
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: that is.

743
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: Back to my point about Dana criticizing boxing for doing

744
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: one night going out of.

745
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: The business boxing criticisms are so disingenuously no.

746
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: Cha becoming another one night albatross going out of business

747
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 2: thing that, even if it's awesome, and I hope it is,

748
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: what is going to be sacrificed in the cards before

749
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 2: and after that as well? We are already in an

750
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 2: unexplainable year of watered down weeks week cards like to

751
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: a gross level. And as much as I'm about to

752
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 2: tell you to topic too, we're gonna celebrate Danygay getting

753
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: off the couch at the same time, it's like you

754
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 2: had to get off the couch because of injuries that's

755
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: not their fault, or because taking their eye off the

756
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: ball in very key areas. How many people paid monster

757
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,959
Speaker 2: money to go to that card and got that card

758
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 2: on Saturday with a lot of overweight people that yeah

759
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: they were warriors and they came in on last minute,

760
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: But then we saw basically sparring matches there. Do you

761
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I feel like I'm watching watching

762
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: this ship get closer to the iceberg down there, and

763
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 2: I feel like nobody else is like hairing because on

764
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: the ship we got Trump and the house bands rocking,

765
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: and we just love being UFC fans, you know what

766
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 2: I'm saying? Like, Am I wrong? Am I this bitter,

767
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: crazy old podcast guy that's getting moved out as new

768
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: media is coming in? Am I speaking the conscious right

769
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: now of EMMN?

770
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I definitely agree Jones versus Pooton

771
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: isn't just lucrative at the box office. I think fans would.

772
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: I mean, if you asked fans what would you rather see,

773
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: for example, what would you rather see John Jones versus

774
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: Stepe or John Jones versus Poton? They would tell step

775
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: A to go to the glue factory and sub in

776
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: Pooton in an instant. I don't think there'd be any

777
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: debate about that. But their pot committed at this point.

778
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: I really believe they kind of look into the situation

779
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: and they realize, we've got to solve we have to

780
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: untie this Gordian knot that we have, and then after that,

781
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: I think they can play around with it. But I

782
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: think if you just keep playing with like, we're just

783
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: gonna make this one and sure we'll try that, and.

784
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: Would stop as much as I just chided them, as

785
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: chided the word as much as I just you know,

786
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: got on them for not doing enough storytelling. Too much

787
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: storytelling and real fight promotion is a problem. They're doing

788
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: too much storytelling by sticking to the Jones versus step

789
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: a script that a year later it doesn't matter. Go

790
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 2: back to being the viral promoter who takes it of

791
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: the opportunities when they're there. Do you know what I'm saying,

792
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 2: because you could say, well, BC, You're just you're talking

793
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: like a casual. You're selling out for one night. You're

794
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 2: trying to get them to throw all this money into

795
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,479
Speaker 2: one night and forget about the rest. No, I'm trying

796
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: to get them to stop forgetting about the rest. Because

797
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: what causes the viral movements in a sport, look where

798
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: it's on fire. It's not a well matched card top

799
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: to bottom week to week. It's stars like super breakout stars,

800
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: the Rouses, the Lesnards, the Connors, the whatever, or it's

801
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: rivalries Jones DC, it's you know, a beeB Connor. It's

802
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I feel like there are players on

803
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: this chess point. Well, I see what you mean. That

804
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: can be greater illuminating.

805
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: So what they're really not doing, and I think this

806
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: is true, is in general they're not building fights very

807
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: carefully and slowly and methodically over time between two people that,

808
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: to your point, have rivalries a relationship with one another.

809
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: We had a chance, for example, to do the Dublin

810
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: press conference, and they didn't do that, and so there

811
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: was this chance to I realize that they did the

812
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: ultimate Fighter to get but that didn't really it was

813
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: like a year and a half ago. Yeah, it was exactly.

814
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: Wasn't electrically charged anyway. And what you're talking about is

815
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: why don't we get back to that? Why don't we

816
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: get back to making organic matchmaking built around uh, these identities,

817
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: built around these guys on hot streaks, rather than okay,

818
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: here you are in the assembly line because let's plug

819
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: you into your slot. But here's the problem.

820
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: You're because I wanted to say one thing, hold on,

821
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: but we just had a conversation off camera. We were

822
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: talking about DC Danielkormee, how much we love and respect

823
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: his fight game and who he fought and all that,

824
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 2: and you were like, I wonder if the new new

825
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: new fans like don't even know how great he was

826
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: and think he's just that, like you know that guy

827
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 2: announcer who got hung out to drive by the WW

828
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: in that referee shir at that time, which would be

829
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: a crime. But that shows you how quickly the churn

830
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: of new fans are that right now, they've sort of

831
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: created this UFC life style, very right wing, right wing leaning,

832
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: and this very like outlaw lifestyle, and it's almost like

833
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: people want to buy the brand right, but new fans

834
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: are creating like hot fire when it's more about rivalries

835
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: or that transcendent super here. So the challenge by this is,

836
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 2: this is what I.

837
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: Keep trying to tell MMA fans, which they are very

838
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: resistant to understanding. They're gonna learn, but it's gonna take

839
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: them the long and hard way because they're choosing to

840
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: learn the hard way. I'm gonna ask it one more time.

841
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: Not one more time. I'm gonna ask it many more times,

842
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: but certainly one more time. Here today. Show me the

843
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: monopoly over time that got better about concern more time.

844
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: Show me the monopoly over time that got better about

845
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 1: serving their consumers' interests. It doesn't exist. They only get

846
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: worse over time. This is a monopoly. Let me finish, Please,

847
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: let me finish. So we are back to a situation

848
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: where the business model in play is dictating promoter preferences here,

849
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: and I don't know what to tell people about it

850
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: except if you're a fan, you have to vote with

851
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: your dollars because as long as they can get them

852
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: easy and doing it on the assembly line, the kind

853
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: of imagination that you're calling for is just going to

854
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: be few and far between.

855
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: And it's not by the way, you guys are such

856
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: an ax to grind you spend every week finding another

857
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: way to dunk on Dana. It's this is also our livelihood.

858
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: The same people that say, oh, you guys should be

859
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: happy because Dana creates your livelihood. Yeah, we want a

860
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: vibrant product that we can talk about week to week

861
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: and when well, I mean they've got.

862
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: A vibrant starting point. If they keep him acting, if

863
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: they keep him active, it's not like they're going to

864
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: be suffering. And also, by the way, sorry, but what's

865
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: on versus Unclive is not a bad fight. No, it's

866
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: not a bad fight.

867
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: If you feel like the outa soigna fight is that

868
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: is the thing that they have in their long term

869
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: view that they think is more realistic or better than

870
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: the heavyweight route, then I do have to pull back

871
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: on that. That's just what it is okay.

872
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's get to Let's get to the

873
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: comin event if we can. So. Dan Egay fills in

874
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: on what an hour or two?

875
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: Surely four from when he first found out when he

876
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: first was asked taking a naple, Oh couch.

877
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: An hours notice is what we're talking about here, Brian

878
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: or take up fell out of the main excuse me

879
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: the co main event with an illness. Dan e Gay

880
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: quite literally off the couch of the massage table. I

881
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: think he was getting a sports massage at the time,

882
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: comes in and then fights Diego Lopez, losing a unanimous decision,

883
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: but having a nice third round where he clearly won

884
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: that ultimately at a one hundred and sixty five pound

885
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: catchway BC. Let's just start with the basics. How insane

886
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: is Ega? And two? I don't think anybody hated the fight,

887
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: but should it have been regulated in the way.

888
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: That it was? We had a lot of questions like journalistically,

889
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: and I do give the UFC credit for showing you

890
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: the videos and pictures of them on the scales actually

891
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 2: having a Megan Levey interview the commission Jeff Mullen. That's

892
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: the most transparent we've send them in a while on

893
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: something like this. The fact that they went right to that,

894
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 2: whether that was ESPN dictated or UFC or whatever, it

895
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: was perfect. Okay, but you started off, what should we

896
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: say about Dany Gay. I mean, he's a freaking warrior.

897
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: He's the definition of it. The guy was in that

898
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: They're lucky that this guy lived in the city, had

899
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: a fight schedule for July twentieth, was peeking in that

900
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: fight camp and feeling like a million dollars, like he

901
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: was on top of his game and healthy for the

902
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: first time in a long time. And we saw Luke

903
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: ultimately the leak sort of text messager DMS between him

904
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 2: and Hunter Campbell just going after it. So what can

905
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: you say about Luke? It's crazy. We've lauded before, people

906
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: like Chris Lee been turning things around down Seroni on

907
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 2: you know, week six days notice and winning two fights,

908
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: and sometimes that takes so much out of you. I mean,

909
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: this guy saved a co main event and to your point,

910
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: actually rallied in the third round, and rallied so much

911
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: that I actually think there's a side argument to make

912
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: about did Diego Lopez gassing out kind of take air

913
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: out of his balloon. But I also have to say, Luke,

914
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: the whole time it was very heavy. Okay. What I

915
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: loved about it was like the bushido element. Did you

916
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: feel that after the fight that it almost didn't matter

917
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 2: because in reality, the fight didn't matter. It was a

918
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 2: featherweight between guys rank between ten and fifteen that's supposed

919
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: to produce somebody going to the top ten. And it's

920
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: also two very good names. But the circumstances and the

921
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: fact that Lopez gassed out in the third like, it

922
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: wasn't a great representation. It was band aid together and

923
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: held together. I did love the busheta element of everybody

924
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: being a family. Afterwards, did you notice that like everybody's

925
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: more about we did this moment together. Thank you for that.

926
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 2: It was more kind of about the love of the

927
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: sport and everybody from the fans to the promoters to

928
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: people sitting at home, like, egay, we're able to almost

929
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: partner together to save this great event. Love that, But

930
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: was it a little too heavy handed on like annex

931
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: saying these two are legends and these two's names will

932
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: be linked in history. Luke, I felt like sadly enough,

933
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 2: like six months from now, if I asked you who

934
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: was the comin event of International Fight Week. You're not

935
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 2: even gonna remember, and I don't want that to take

936
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: away from what Ega accomplished. So what does it say

937
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: about Ega that he is that dude, that he is

938
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: about that life And that's great, but it also says

939
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: something about fight or paying and the sport and where

940
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: we are. And we also got a fight that was

941
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: sort of second rate of what we were originally offered,

942
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: which was a second rate replacement, a good one, but

943
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: still second rate of a fight that was replaced of

944
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: a other fight that fell apart with Anthony Smith eighteen

945
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: times where he almost fell into a title shot somehow.

946
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: It was a card full of that. We can talk

947
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 2: about the Leeds and Anthony Smith looked like a two

948
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: chubby guys in a sparring match at some points in that.

949
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 1: If you're the UFC, let me ask you this because

950
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: this is really what it comes down to. So you're

951
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: the UFC and you find out a couple of hours

952
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: before the start of the show that Brian Ortega is

953
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: not competing, you have two choices, two basic choices. You

954
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: can try and fill in on short notice somebody, and

955
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: they got Dan egay, or you can obviously just punt

956
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: and you know, declear that off and then you can

957
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: just move another fight off the main card. You could

958
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: have put like for example, Joe Piper, you could have

959
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: put on the main.

960
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 2: Which we would have ripped them worse right, We would

961
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: have said like like, I don't know that we would

962
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: have would we have said that obviously the injuries are

963
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: not their fault, and they're not, and obviously credit to

964
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 2: them for how quickly they can make things like this happen.

965
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: My larger thing is is the product being watered down

966
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 2: and spread so thin that this is the beginning of

967
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: a chronic leak that is not going to be fixed

968
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: until you potentially bring the model in a little bit more,

969
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: which they won't because of how much money they can

970
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: get from that. Are those two connected? Does this play

971
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: into BC being that that you know angry old journalists or.

972
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: They're certainly connected. I don't think there's any denying that.

973
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: Because if Poton doesn't knock him out, and if that

974
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: is a somewhat boring decision, what is this show? Monday Morning?

975
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: Start and open with you know what I mean?

976
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: Right?

977
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: Do we open with man that dumpster fire? On Saturday

978
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: that like, yeah, you made lemonade, but we're doing this

979
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 2: kind of every weekend.

980
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: No, So I I mean, let's let's go back to

981
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: the first question here, which is, you know, should they

982
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: have regulated it. I'm gonna say that in general, they

983
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 1: should not regulate stuff like this. When I say not regulate,

984
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: I mean not approve it. In this particular case, I

985
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: didn't mind it because Egay is exactly the right candidate

986
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,479
Speaker 1: to fill in for something perfect. Yes, he's experienced, he's

987
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: against high level opposition, he is a black belt in

988
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu, he was already in camp, he was local,

989
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: his medicals were already done because he has the fight

990
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: coming up in I guess approximately three weeks at this point. Like,

991
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: he's exactly the kind of guy you can slot in

992
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: against the Diego Lopez and be like, this probably does work.

993
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: For that reason, I did not mind that they regulated it. However,

994
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: in I don't want this to in any way become

995
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 1: the norm. If a fight falls out hours before an event,

996
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: then the fight falls out hours before an event. I

997
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: also think the UFC might be reeling from remember when

998
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: Amanda Nunez had sinusitis. Yes, and the fans are like, oh,

999
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: she's pulling out because she has a fucking cold. I

1000
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: think that they wanted to avoid some kind of blowback,

1001
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: or you know, they had already lost Connor at the card,

1002
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: now you're gonna lose your comine at the eleventh hour.

1003
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: They're trying to save that. So in that sense, I

1004
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: didn't really mind it. But then it gets back to

1005
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: the point that you're raising, which is okay, But how

1006
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: are we constructing the broader prop and to what extent

1007
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 1: is that leading to more of these scenarios where you're

1008
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: constantly having to do this next man up, whack a

1009
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: mole game. That's a bigger conversation, but I just don't

1010
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: know where to take it because it's so out of

1011
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: our hands and it's so locked in at the moment.

1012
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: I mean, they literally have contractual demands about what they owe. Also,

1013
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: this question about like our Egay and Lopez legends, I

1014
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: think over time what we're going to say is they

1015
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: are legends for their act and their their their athletic heroism.

1016
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 1: No question about stepping up big balls, whole nine yards.

1017
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: The fight itself is very forgettable. The fight itself, there's

1018
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: nothing to do.

1019
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: Did it take away what that fight was supposed to

1020
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: do show you diego Lopez as a potential title challenger

1021
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: and nextstar. It didn't unfortunate.

1022
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: Okay, but it didn't drag down his stock. It just

1023
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: kind of held him status quo.

1024
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: I think, well, I guess my question then, is if

1025
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 2: this is the norm. You can't control injuries. Sometimes injuries

1026
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: come in packages of months in a row.

1027
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: And by the way, I I know, I have an

1028
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: idea about what Egay made. I understand him taking this fight.

1029
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at those dudes for taking this fight

1030
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: at all. I get it.

1031
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: If they're like, I got a sparring session next week

1032
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: that'll probably be worse than that fight. I've got no

1033
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: problem with. If that's fine in their mind, and they

1034
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: can that's fine. I'm just saying, should I shut up?

1035
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: And should we just be celebrating Egay on the show

1036
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: and celebrating Roman Delede and celebrating all these people that

1037
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: were brave businessmen? No, seriously, how many more of this

1038
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: scenario what happened is gonna isau? Is it going to

1039
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: change the you? How how many more times is this

1040
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: gonna be? Kudo to the UFC for making that done?

1041
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 4: Wow?

1042
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: These day died.

1043
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: Okay, but let me let's back up a step here.

1044
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: You seem very affected by fan pushback to your UFC criticism.

1045
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: Why is that like you're couching everything as guys like, guys,

1046
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: don't worry, I'm not a hater.

1047
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: Butt me tell you. Let me tell you, Like LUI

1048
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 2: should have an honest conversation about there's A, there's points

1049
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: A and B. Point A. I'm a lifelong boxing fan

1050
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: and that comes with a lot of built in disappointment

1051
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 2: that there are these high moments where the drug feels

1052
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: like it used to again, right, and then there are

1053
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 2: a lot of peaks and valleys, and you only stay

1054
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 2: with it if you truly love it. And I truly

1055
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: love it. I see so often the patterns and trends

1056
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: whenever boxing comes up for air for a year and

1057
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: a half and looks really good, but inevitably, because of

1058
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: the disorganization, it goes back down. So, Luke, that's a

1059
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 2: huge point A, because I know what it looks like

1060
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 2: when the when the eye's being taken off the ball

1061
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 2: and we're not making the decisions for the product anymore

1062
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 2: and all that. But B I also covered pro wrestling

1063
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: at a real high level for about four and a

1064
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: half years.

1065
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that.

1066
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 2: And I came in in twenty fifteen, sixteen seventeen NXT

1067
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: the breakout of the indies merging with WWE, and it

1068
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: was like this hot, fresh, new progressive product. But those

1069
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: that follow my wrestling covered saw that. I think it

1070
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 2: was Summer Slam twenty eighteen. I just as everybody else

1071
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 2: was praising this pretty decent, great big card, I'm like,

1072
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: how do you guys know see that they're playing us.

1073
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 2: The time we have to invest to watch this is

1074
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 2: not equaling what it's worth, and they're making us look

1075
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 2: like fools because the storylines aren't really catching up with

1076
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 2: each other anymore. They're not making sense. There's a lot

1077
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: of wasted time between those big events on the horizon

1078
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: that give us all those feels. The week two week

1079
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: shows anymore are kind of just going in a circle

1080
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: where they're becoming faceless and they're becoming routine and pre programmed.

1081
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: I that got me to the point where it actually

1082
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 2: drove me out of the business because I couldn't sit

1083
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 2: there and go another good raw this week when it

1084
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: was the same raw as last week. Just three things

1085
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 2: were swapped out and changed, only they were changed worse,

1086
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 2: and it makes the storyline go nowhere. When I'm now

1087
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: feeling like the storyline in UFC, which is a natural

1088
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: storyline when people win and you advance and you go,

1089
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: oh my god, we can do this and this, that

1090
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: storyline's getting fed with these days more often for business

1091
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: purposes than I've ever seen.

1092
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: No. No, But I'm asking a slightly different question, So

1093
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: I ask you, why are you so affected by the

1094
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: pushback to some of your eye ideas.

1095
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: That is the equivalent to like, hey, guys, we're all

1096
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 2: in this boat together, but the boat is sinking, and

1097
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: I can tell you how to get to the lifeboat.

1098
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: And people are like what lifeboats? Or people are like

1099
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 2: you just a hater, or you're just jealous, or if

1100
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: you're just what, I gives a shit, dude.

1101
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: People tell me I'm wrong all the time, like I don't.

1102
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 2: Here's okay, who gives a shit? I do because I

1103
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 2: know I'm not wrong, and I know this great sport

1104
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: that we love cover depend on financially, it's got its

1105
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 2: eye off the ball. It's no longer trying to Danny

1106
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: can say all he wants about putting money back into

1107
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: the sport, and obviously they are, but they're they're maximizing

1108
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: every dollar to the point that they're choking the actual

1109
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 2: flow of water coming through and the natural flow of

1110
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: of what gets people excited and how you build from

1111
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 2: fight to fight like raw in those years a couple

1112
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 2: of years ago, where I'm watching every week go and

1113
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 2: this isn't God, how many times we were watching these

1114
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 2: these APEX cards that are faceless and nameless in the fights,

1115
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: like why is the number fifteen guy fighting a guy

1116
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: that's unranked in the main event and either have a

1117
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 2: Wikipeda page because it's banquet food. Okay, That's what happened,

1118
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: and that got me out of the pro wrestling business

1119
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 2: because I'm like, this is bullshit. I've almost come out

1120
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: of the boxing business so many times because some years

1121
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: it dried up and it was bullshit. This sport. What

1122
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: UFC built, That's why I credit you have see what

1123
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 2: they've built is insane. They're on ESPN that they're actually

1124
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 2: at this level. But now they got their eye off

1125
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: the ball and they are siphoning down every possible scent.

1126
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 2: Hey fans, you can get your name on the canvas

1127
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: for the next pay per view, Like it's like it's everything.

1128
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 2: We're now every pay per view justifying that the main

1129
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: event and the cold main events getting changed, and we're

1130
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 2: and we're sort of blindless blind, you know, very blindly

1131
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: praising the promoters for saving it, when hey, guys, they're

1132
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 2: also causing it. Like they've they've built a machine that's

1133
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 2: that's not sustainable. They don't have the resource systems to

1134
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 2: sustainfully the machine they've built, which without changing the flavor,

1135
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: it's just like when your favorite microa, your favorite micro

1136
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: brew goes national and suddenly they're not bruine it at

1137
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 2: the guy's place anymore. The brune it is in factory

1138
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 2: three states away. It doesn't taste the same.

1139
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: Okay, But here's a pushback, which is I don't disagree

1140
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: with a single word of that nothing. I mean, I

1141
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't watch pro wrestling. I'd rather just you know, I'd

1142
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: rather just eat a bullet. But the fans still think

1143
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: that they love this version of the UFC. They have

1144
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: not soured on it. Yet you have soured on this

1145
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: version of it, And so no, I'm not not.

1146
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 2: Soured on it. I'm just it's not giving the hits

1147
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: that it could and when you're watching.

1148
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: It again underachieving I agree, yes, But what I'm trying

1149
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: to explain to you is there are a lot of

1150
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: fans who have not connected those dots that right now

1151
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: and we'll see how long this lasts. Again. They're determined

1152
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: to learn this the hard way. They love the monopoly

1153
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: of the UFC, they love the content mill, and so

1154
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: you're bringing a sensibility that I don't disagree with even

1155
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: one little bit. But we have to understand the fans

1156
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: have been conditioned to expect the food to come to the.

1157
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 2: Dogs like this are going to lose their patients and

1158
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 2: be out of the sport. So you spent all these

1159
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: these last couple of years.

1160
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: The USC just brings in the next generation of them.

1161
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: Okay, okay that then then take to Porio and O'Malley

1162
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: and make them the full picture of what the star

1163
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: value that they could be. Right, you know what I mean?

1164
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: Take your resources that you have, if you're more into

1165
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: if you're the UFC, and you're more into the idea

1166
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: of Adasania versus Poton, feed that machine. Now continue to

1167
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: tell that story. Do you know what I'm saying? Yes,

1168
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: I do like sell, like put put a nice bow

1169
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 2: on the wrapping paper. Let's go, let's let's let's move product,

1170
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: let's sell.

1171
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand. I just feel like, if you believe

1172
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: these arguments that you're making, and you do, you should

1173
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: not worry about the pushback that comes from them. If

1174
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: you're as certain as you are about the truth value there,

1175
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: you should just let people rage at you.

1176
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they do, but don't worry about it.

1177
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: They could be like, guys, I don't want no, no, no,

1178
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: I'm not let them.

1179
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about it from an ego perspective, I'm

1180
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: worried about it from a can't you guys see that

1181
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: soilent green is? People like you see this? Like you

1182
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

1183
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: Like, there's a lot of new fans who are new

1184
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: to the whole thing, and because of the novelty is

1185
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: still there, they're they're not quite putting.

1186
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: Dude.

1187
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: If you're a long if you're a long term boxing fan,

1188
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: you're to your point. Disappointment is so common, but you've

1189
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: also seen it when it works really well too, and

1190
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: then you're like Aha. Over time, you could begin to

1191
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: piece together the ingredients, or a bare minimum, the context

1192
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: that's in play to make something like this happen, and

1193
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: they're not a lot of these folks are just not

1194
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: like that. It's a new generation of fight fans who

1195
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: are disconnected from that. So that's what I mean. Like,

1196
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: they love the orderliness of UFC monopoly, and we know

1197
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: that ticket prices are high and there the cards are,

1198
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, unrecognizable by the time they happen because of

1199
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: some of it, you know, legitimate injury and everything else.

1200
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: But you know, they just don't feel the same way

1201
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: about it. So my view is, make your criticism and

1202
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: if people like it, great, if they don't, fuck them, bro, Like,

1203
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 1: what do you want me to say?

1204
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 2: That's it? Do you want me to get us to

1205
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 2: a situation where I'm willing to look at our listeners

1206
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 2: and say fuck them.

1207
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: It's not about like I want to stick it to

1208
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: our listeners in that way.

1209
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 2: I'm glad we have everything. I'm not attracted to most

1210
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 2: fair with you.

1211
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean, but to borrow a term from gen Z,

1212
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: stand on business BC.

1213
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: I've been. I've been standing on the business. But more

1214
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 2: importantly than me winning the argument, I want people to

1215
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: wake up to the light because judgment day is coming.

1216
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 2: I've been on this ship before Noah, Okay, all right,

1217
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: let's get two of every kind now.

1218
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: All right, I don't know what the fuck that anyway,

1219
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: Burnt supposed to be here in two minutes. By the way,

1220
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: he liked my message I sent.

1221
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: It to him, so fantastic.

1222
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: I think he will be here at the requisite time.

1223
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: All right, Well, Luke, let's get quickly into this then, okay,

1224
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 2: and we can pause when Gilbert Burns slides in topic

1225
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 2: number three. UFC three oh three also gave us a

1226
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: very important welterweight fight to kick off the pay per

1227
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 2: view card, Ian Machado Gary scoring a close unanimous decision

1228
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 2: across the board against Michael venom Page. This really felt

1229
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: like a crossroads fight to find out whether Machado Gary

1230
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: is for real or whether MVP can continue that start

1231
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: that he showed against Kevin Holland after coming over from Bellator. So, Luke,

1232
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: be honest, did Mahadeo Gary's close decision when showcase has

1233
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 2: problem solving skills and commitment to maturity and evolution, or

1234
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 2: did it expose how far away he actually is from

1235
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: true title contention, Because for all the control he had

1236
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: outside of that Choka temp in round one, he really

1237
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 2: didn't didn't seem like you know what to do with it.

1238
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a performance that told me he's got

1239
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: some work to do. He obviously has skill, and he's

1240
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: very young, and so people being like, oh, he's a bum,

1241
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: he sucks, he's not ready for a title. You're right,

1242
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: he's not ready for a title like that is one

1243
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: billion percent true. But it's also not true that he sucks.

1244
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: That's not true. However, like the rhetoric that's coming out

1245
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: of his mouth both before the fight, what you get.

1246
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: You know, you're hype it up a fight you believe

1247
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: in yourself, and I understand it. After the fight, you

1248
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: want to fight against a name on a big card,

1249
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: and you feel pretty good about that, but it simply

1250
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: does not match the reality here at all. Dude, he

1251
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: was waiting on MVP to do anything before he threw,

1252
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: and he was getting tuned up in the second round

1253
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: as a result. Now, he did have a nice backtake

1254
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: we saw, and some decent choke attempts in the first,

1255
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: but we're not talking about a guy who's got like

1256
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: stout jiu jitsu and really good you know, submission defense.

1257
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: Like the fact that he couldn't finish it was a

1258
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: little surprising, but okay. He hit a nice round. Second round,

1259
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: he got eaten alive in the third round. He rescued

1260
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: his chances with a very basic backtake. Both guys had

1261
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: single digit strikes in the third round. He is talking

1262
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: about how there is some kind of title inevitability. Well,

1263
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: with his youth and continued progress, I would not rule

1264
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: out anything, but there's nothing in that performance that indicates

1265
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: to me a title fight is an inevitability. There is

1266
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: nothing in that performance that mandates that he gets someone,

1267
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: to my judgment, inside the top five. He was talking

1268
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: about fighting Shavka. Ron Shot would devour.

1269
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: Him, tune him up.

1270
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, please be serious like shot Cut Rockmanov

1271
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: has offense everywhere, is tricky, everywhere, has does nothing but

1272
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: finish opposition. And this guy, I get it. He rescued

1273
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: his chances with the back take. But let's be honest

1274
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: about it. He was holding on for dear life. Well,

1275
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: who does not have a ground game? An MVP noted none.

1276
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 2: And he just with very advantageous positions. It just did

1277
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 2: at the confidence. Now I know he's working with Maya,

1278
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: I know that the I got one thing I want

1279
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: to come mention fast and the work ethic is there.

1280
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 2: But so I just want to add very fast, super quick.

1281
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 2: I I appreciate the patience that Gary showed, and I appreciate.

1282
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: That he had the well roundedness to get the job done. Yes, right,

1283
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: I want I want to give him that. I give him,

1284
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: I give him praise. But it's one thing to illicit

1285
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: reactions and then counter those. It's another one to just

1286
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: wait and get eaten up for it. And he beat

1287
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: m VP with just a basic mix of the MMA game.

1288
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: He didn't beat him with anything sophisticated, and even then

1289
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: he got by on the skin of his fucking teeth.

1290
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: This is a learning experience for him, This is a

1291
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: growth opportunity for him. This is not a mandate that

1292
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: he's coming for the title. Shov kot Rochmanov has a mandate. Ye,

1293
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: he's coming for the time.

1294
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 2: Did you see what na Diez said about his performance

1295
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 2: after the fight. Let's listen. And then all of a

1296
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 2: sudden and he's shooting. He's shooting for a take. Oh,

1297
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: you're a wrestler. A wrestler, that's what it didn't feel like.

1298
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 2: Now you can say that, well, I didn't mind it,

1299
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: because that's MVP's vulnerability. Gary does need to step up

1300
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 2: his game there. So it's like, I love the addition

1301
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 2: of Dmion Maya, I love the focus on that, but

1302
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 2: he showed that he has a long way to go.

1303
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 2: So then to see his offensive game also get stifled

1304
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 2: and to the point where he suddenly had to become

1305
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 2: a wrestler because he not only was not finding success

1306
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 2: on the few, was getting pieced up at times. It's like, look,

1307
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 2: I do want to praise the problem solve skills. The

1308
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: way that he figured out how to win that fight.

1309
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 2: He does seem to have the package to be great.

1310
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 2: I mean, look, he's a big welterweight. I think if

1311
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 2: he can figure out how to be even more physical

1312
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 2: with a kicking game, that he can really walk through

1313
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 2: some guys. I think the work ethics there, I think

1314
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 2: a lot of the foundational skills that could that could

1315
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 2: still ultimately get him there. But he's not as far

1316
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: as long as I felt like he should have.

1317
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: He's not as far along he is. He has ability,

1318
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: he is doing well. This was not an easy assignment,

1319
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: and all of that is two thumbs up from me.

1320
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: He's not beating down the door of a title shot.

1321
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: He's not marching through the top guys with this like

1322
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: clear ability that you just can't ignore. He's getting the

1323
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: wins that he needs to get, and he's doing it

1324
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: with whatever he can to get to that position. But

1325
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: like there's no bulldoze, there's no oh my god, like

1326
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: I've got to see him versus that guy. I mean,

1327
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: you could make the Colby fighter because there's some kind

1328
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: of rivalry, but not in the sense of I want

1329
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: to see what it's like when that guy is challenged.

1330
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: You don't see that.

1331
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: There's so much need to rush.

1332
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: Young dudes in MMA to the front of the line

1333
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: when MMA doesn't have a real amateur system, at least

1334
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: not much of one. I know we're gonna talk about

1335
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,919
Speaker 1: Bam Rodriguez later at twenty four. Look what he's doing.

1336
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 2: There's an exception, like a Bonnickel, Like there's exceptions.

1337
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: But again, those guys have how much scholastic wrestling experience.

1338
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so much time. If we don't

1339
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: have that, we cannot expect guys at twenty seven. You're

1340
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: a fully mature boxer for the most part. You don't

1341
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: have all the experience yet, but you're pretty mature at

1342
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: twenty seven. You may or may not be a fully

1343
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,919
Speaker 1: mature MMA fighter. Guys Ian Gary is good. He's good.

1344
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: He is not fully mature, and he's not. He's got

1345
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: he's got a ways to go. Okay, whould be honest

1346
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: with you?

1347
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 2: Do you think the company takes up the idea for Colby?

1348
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 2: I've heard mixed reviews of whether Kolby would want the fight.

1349
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: But let's say he wants it.

1350
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: Tul submission radio this over the weekend. He doesn't, okay?

1351
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 2: Or do you try to put him against the winner

1352
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 2: of Gilbert Burns and Sean Brady? Is that a more

1353
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 2: evolutionary step up?

1354
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: I think you can do it based on their ranking position. However,

1355
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: I'll say this careful, what the fuck you wish for?

1356
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: You know, Sean Brady and absolute gorilla. Gilbert Burns, former

1357
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: world champion in jiu jitsu at the black belt level,

1358
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: as a former title contender in the UFC, has experienced

1359
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: as they come a little bit older, yes, but keeps

1360
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: himself in phenomenal condition. By the way. No, see where

1361
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: are we on?

1362
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 2: H on?

1363
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 6: That?

1364
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: All right?

1365
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: All right? No worries when he slides in, we will

1366
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,919
Speaker 2: slide over or maybe Randy Couturt Vitz.

1367
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: What are we missing we being? Are we being haters

1368
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: to Gary?

1369
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 4: No?

1370
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 2: I don't think we're being haters to him.

1371
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: What was the best thing about his performance the first

1372
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:53,439
Speaker 1: roundback taking in the choke?

1373
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so let me ask the best. Well, I

1374
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 2: think he's poised. Seriously, he didn't lose himself in there,

1375
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:00,919
Speaker 2: when even when he was losing parts of the fight

1376
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 2: that was distressing, he never lost himself. Like, I think

1377
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 2: he has the base still from the size he brings

1378
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 2: the mindset to even parts of his of his you know,

1379
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 2: recuperative skills. And I mean, I just think I think

1380
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 2: there's a dog in there. I think it's all there, Luke,

1381
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 2: but connecting those wires, man, not quite not quite there yet?

1382
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 2: All right?

1383
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 8: No?

1384
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: See, did did you do any betting on Ian Gary?

1385
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 2: I bet on MVP.

1386
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: Why tell me why.

1387
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 8: I just thought I was gonna I honestly said before

1388
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:33,479
Speaker 8: it started it's going to be twenty nine to twenty

1389
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 8: eight split decision.

1390
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: I thought it'd be a lot of point fighting draw.

1391
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 2: Draw.

1392
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so what was your hold up on believing

1393
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: in Gary? Cucks I've kind of just been fading Gary

1394
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: his whole rise, man.

1395
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 2: I really haven't seen it.

1396
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: Do you also dislike him because he has a marriage

1397
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: that you don't understand? No, I had nothing to do

1398
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: with his marriage.

1399
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: I don't like how he acts like Connor though.

1400
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, that's a totally legitimacritcism. Last question, Okay,

1401
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: so you faded him, you lost. What do you feel

1402
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: like you learned about Ian Gary from this performance?

1403
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 2: Not much. We knew he had a well rounded game,

1404
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 2: but like you said, it's very basically in most facets.

1405
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 2: While I did learn that he's not as far as

1406
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 2: advanced as he needs to be and as I want

1407
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 2: him to be, I think I also learned that not

1408
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 2: panicking and that he can still get there.

1409
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the thing. That's the thing about these young guys.

1410
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: We want to rush them similar roller rosas now he's nineteen.

1411
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: That's like, really, okay, it's a crazy thing. He finally

1412
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: showed that he was not going to fight like a

1413
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: fucking donk in his last fight, and people are like, yeah,

1414
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: let's push him to the front of the line. No, No,

1415
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: take your time with some of these guys. Take your time.

1416
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: Gary is further along than that, obviously, But nevertheless, this

1417
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: idea like we got to give him rock Monov next,

1418
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: Why a guy who could be really good, you're gonna

1419
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: shatter his confidence and give him a fucking beating just

1420
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: because that's where they are in the rankings position.

1421
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 2: That seems like a very bad idea. Would this be

1422
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 2: the last use of Colby Covington as a big name

1423
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 2: B side to get a younger fighter?

1424
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 1: Probably because if I and Gary, I mean think about it, right,

1425
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: Like if Ian Gary, let's say they did it in

1426
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: Dublin goes in there and let's beat the fuck out

1427
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: of Colby Covington. First of all, that'd be great for

1428
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: his brand and for America, even though even though it'd

1429
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: be in Ireland for an Iris Scott. But you would

1430
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: be like, what would you do with Colby after that?

1431
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: I mean he would still call people's wives like whors

1432
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: or something, but who would really care? Like the thing is,

1433
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: Gary is participating in the back and forth in a

1434
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: way that is still intriguing. But if he beats the

1435
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: shit out of Colby, what do you do at that?

1436
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 6: All?

1437
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 2: Right, let's say I text David Feldman and I go, yeah,

1438
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 2: Colby versus ver Doom in a boomerang match in the

1439
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 2: BKFC Circle the rematch to that, you know, all the

1440
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:47,439
Speaker 2: years in the making, dude.

1441
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: I'll never forget When I had Colby in studio one time,

1442
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: and this was right after he did the Filthy Animals bit,

1443
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: and he showed me his phone. Dude, it was like

1444
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,959
Speaker 1: page after page of Portuguese death threats.

1445
01:07:58,040 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 2: Oh my god, like you. I was like, dude, are

1446
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 2: you like, I'm not going here anytime? So well, he

1447
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 2: did have that Ryan Garcia energy, so he did seem

1448
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 2: to have it.

1449
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia, who, by the way, is determined to lose

1450
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: all of his wealth in potential lawsuit.

1451
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 2: I don't even want to break down anymore. Like the

1452
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:12,919
Speaker 2: recent all.

1453
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: Of those people defending him, like I'm not saying he's

1454
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: a bad person, but he's he's lost.

1455
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 2: H Smith has been coming after him. Would be very interesting. Yeah,

1456
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 2: they've being on ham Luke.

1457
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 10: Uh.

1458
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 2: We gotta talk about Anthony Smith. He played a big

1459
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 2: narrative coming in that not only is he willing to

1460
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 2: do the things that others won't, that all the light

1461
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 2: heavyweights have avoided him, which forced him to fight a

1462
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 2: rising middleway in Roman Delize to fill out this original

1463
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 2: co main event, but just to keep this fight on

1464
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 2: the card, but Luke after three less than inspired chubby

1465
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 2: sparring rounds with Roman Delize and a unanimous decision loss.

1466
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 2: Should Anthony Smith I don't know what to say. Should

1467
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 2: he slow his role on where he actually sits in

1468
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 2: this division? And side topic LinkedIn with the egay conversation.

1469
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 2: Do we credit Smith for being willing to fight anybody here?

1470
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 2: Or is this the turns you get when you let

1471
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 2: too many people who are willing to fight anyone on

1472
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 2: last minute fill your card with those type of fights.

1473
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: I believe that we're at a place where we need

1474
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 1: to ask the question how much is it worth preserving

1475
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:19,560
Speaker 1: a fight on a card after it undergoes numerous injury withdrawals?

1476
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: At what point are the are the is the juice

1477
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: no longer worth the squeeze? I think this fight kind

1478
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: of shows that. Again. Do you beat up Roman Deliedze

1479
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 1: for taking the fight on short notice? No? Do you've

1480
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: beat up Anthony Smith for taking the fight on short notice?

1481
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 4: No?

1482
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: But it was a bad fight. It was not a

1483
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: good fight.

1484
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:39,759
Speaker 2: They rightfully got booed serious like give.

1485
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: A bad fight, I appreciate. I want to say it

1486
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,719
Speaker 1: one more time. I one hundred percent appreciate the athletic

1487
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: courage that guys like this and then again to a

1488
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: much greater extent, Lopez and you Gay are willing to show.

1489
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day off, what you're

1490
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: getting are forgettable fights or even just outright the Lopez

1491
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 1: and Egay fight was not a bad fight, something like

1492
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: a forgettable fight, but not bad. This fight was bad.

1493
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: This was a bad fight, and I think if you're

1494
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: at the point where you're the best that you can

1495
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: preserve are two guys and the best that they can do,

1496
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: not overall, but in that moment is a bad fight

1497
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 1: that it's not worth preserving anymore.

1498
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, it got linked with a couple other performances that

1499
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 2: didn't feel like elite mma. Bueno Silva against Macy Chazon

1500
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:30,440
Speaker 2: didn't feel like just short of title level question Arlovsky

1501
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 2: in that heavyweight fight that didn't look like that was

1502
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 2: a real and then even and nothing bad to say

1503
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 2: against Michelle Waterson Gomez, who obviously has been such a

1504
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 2: great personality and ambassador for this sport, but then they're

1505
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 2: giving her like the former all time great retirement treatment

1506
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,480
Speaker 2: and what was like her fifth straight.

1507
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 1: Laws current don't understand that she was supposed to be

1508
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: the next big thing in women's MMA for a time, right,

1509
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: and it had for a while, not totally, but for

1510
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: a while had to compete far outside of her normal

1511
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 1: weight class. She really was, so she should have been

1512
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: in her early career in Adam Waite.

1513
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 2: At times you saw stuff like that.

1514
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 1: I mean, if you've never seen, for example, have you

1515
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 1: ever seen Michelle Watterson at the time, Now she's going

1516
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: maz but at the time Michelle Watterson versus Jessica Penney

1517
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: and then Victa, Yes, I had Okay, I mean, that's

1518
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: one of the best in Victor fights ever. It's a

1519
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 1: fucking amazing fight, and that might be her best win.

1520
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 2: By the way, but it's definitely her best because then

1521
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 2: you're like, is it Paige van sand or is it

1522
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 2: she got an aftermarket.

1523
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: Wace so she's But I don't mind that she got

1524
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 1: the video package because I sort of get where they

1525
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 1: came from. How did Arlavsky not get one?

1526
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 2: Well, I just it's what I'm saying, is you had

1527
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 2: too many. It's like, should we sit here in ragon

1528
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,720
Speaker 2: Anthony Smith and Roman Deleds they went. In reality, they

1529
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 2: were just doing their part to keep the card together

1530
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 2: even though we didn't rightfully, I think didn't like the

1531
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,679
Speaker 2: performance in the crowd boot it. But now you're looping

1532
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 2: it in with all of those other fights, which, again,

1533
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 2: when you're spread this thin, you're starting to be like, man,

1534
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 2: that doesn't look like a lead MMA. It's happened more

1535
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 2: often than not. I hate that feeling. But if we

1536
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 2: continue down the line of who did what here, No,

1537
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 2: Pifer took took care of Mark Andre Barrio in quick fashion.

1538
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 2: In fact, I believe we have a video of something.

1539
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 2: Here's the picture. That's a hell of a picture.

1540
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a shot. I mean, he did a great job.

1541
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: He took his time.

1542
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 2: But now he's saying that he was sick last time

1543
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 2: when he lost that five round decision to Jackermanson, which

1544
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 2: was which kind of looked like they took air out

1545
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 2: of his balloon, like maybe he wasn't going to be

1546
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: the next big thing in this division. He wrote, did

1547
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 2: he repair to her? I think he repaired it, Luke.

1548
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 1: He definitely did repair it a little bit. I mean,

1549
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: I think there's still some bigger questions because it looked

1550
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: also like he was a little bit outthought in that fight,

1551
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: like he just didn't have quite the tactical answer that

1552
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: maybe was eluding him. But to your point, another young guy,

1553
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: another guy we shouldn't rush. Obviously, he's got a ton

1554
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: of promise, but let's take it easy on trying to

1555
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: push these guys even when they say they're ready. We

1556
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: should take it easy before we put him in these

1557
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 1: other particular positions. However, I agree he performed super ably.

1558
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: He didn't rush it. He let his power land when

1559
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: it was the appropriate time for it to land, rather

1560
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: than forcing things. And look at the result you got

1561
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: on the scream and the passion tremendous. And by the way,

1562
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 1: you could see he went to Turkey recently and got

1563
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: the hair transplant. That's work. Did you not notice that?

1564
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 2: Didn't that work for coach Nick Sig?

1565
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 1: I think he did it too.

1566
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, his hair looks fantastic all the way.

1567
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm told you can do that for like four grand,

1568
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: which is nothing to take You know, who should do it?

1569
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 2: Danny Ruby love that guy. Okay, Oklahoma wrestling.

1570
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: All right, he punted on that a while ago. My

1571
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: man is short and ball. That's a bad that's a

1572
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: that's a two seven off suit, that's a seven. Yeah,

1573
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: he can get the seven to ten split on that.

1574
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: He can do that, he can figure that out.

1575
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I wanted to go back. Daniel Cormier criticized Anthony

1576
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 2: Smith for this moment. I want him to get your

1577
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 2: reaction to it. Let's watch it. Smith's done a lot

1578
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 2: of damage to that lead leg of dalits A. Well,

1579
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:36,679
Speaker 2: Roma's just clowned him.

1580
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 4: What is he doing there?

1581
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 2: I mean I would have punched him in the face.

1582
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't understand what that was all about.

1583
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have smiled at him. I would have punched

1584
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 2: him and then slapped him. And he don't play Yeah,

1585
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 2: I'm not playing like that. We all got to get

1586
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 2: on money and fight.

1587
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 4: Man.

1588
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 2: He just kind of let him dance.

1589
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 11: In front of it. Yeah, what was going on here?

1590
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 2: Man? Okay?

1591
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 4: Hold on.

1592
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 2: DC would go on to say, guys, Dan Henderson was

1593
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 2: my hero and when I fought him, watch the tape.

1594
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 2: I tried to kill him every second of the fight.

1595
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: It didn't fight Dan Henderson on short notice.

1596
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 2: Dude.

1597
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 1: When you take fights like this where it's the short

1598
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: notice of short notice of short notices, the incentive structure

1599
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: you're competing with completely changes because you know that if

1600
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 1: you lose there's a decent chance the UFC is not

1601
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 1: going to super hold it against you. You may not

1602
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 1: suffer all that much in the rankings, although Smith might

1603
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: hear it's hard to say because Delizia was coming from middleweight,

1604
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: But in general, there are ways in which it won't

1605
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 1: super penalize you. So you don't have the same hunger

1606
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 1: to win, you don't have the same competitive animosity, you

1607
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 1: don't have the same incentives that typically drive performance. You

1608
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 1: don't have the same cardio, you don't have the same

1609
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: and nothing you take away all the things that make

1610
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: guys hungry, dialed in, focused, angry, ready to compete. And

1611
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,799
Speaker 1: you got two guys who were you know, they were fighting,

1612
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 1: but they were kind of happy to just get through

1613
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: with the experience given everything they were up against.

1614
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 2: This is the the incentive.

1615
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: This is why again it fights fall out and fall

1616
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: out and fall out and you're just playing whack a mole.

1617
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: At some point it just becomes something.

1618
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 2: Every new iteration becomes a deministrator, yes, right, and really

1619
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 2: it does. And suddenly you're moving guys of way classes

1620
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 2: and you're changing the way.

1621
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: And again it was Jamal Hill Roundtree that it was

1622
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: Jamal hill Olberg that it was Alberg Smith and then

1623
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: ended up being Smith de Leeds A dude, you got

1624
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 1: to a place where it was literally unrecognizable from its

1625
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: initial booking. It probably was best if they had called

1626
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 1: that one all.

1627
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 2: I'm with you and I'm not here to dunk on

1628
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 2: Anthony Smith, who I like a lot.

1629
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 1: Those guys gave. This is the point about the fight.

1630
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: They gave what they had. They gave what they had.

1631
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 1: They just didn't have as much and not nearly as

1632
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: much as they normally.

1633
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 10: Do.

1634
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 2: You know who had it? Twenty five year old Bantamwait,

1635
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 2: Peyton Talbot. Dude, what a fucking animal nine and zero

1636
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 2: as a pro. Let's look at this nineteen second KOI.

1637
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: I mean he was fighting was a bit of a donk.

1638
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the way the head hit the canvas there

1639
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 2: the Frenchman damned Yeah. Look he looks. I know you've

1640
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,839
Speaker 2: been talking about him. I haven't really been paying attention.

1641
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 2: I really need. This was an eye opener.

1642
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 1: He is the perfect kind of weirdo that you want

1643
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 1: for MMA. Athletic naturally gifted, has a transactional relationship to

1644
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: MMA like he's not in it because he thinks MMA

1645
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 1: could be really awesome for the popularity. He's got a

1646
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: weird itch that he wants to scratch in terms of

1647
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: his competition and what he likes to do.

1648
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 2: I mean, like you, he'd rather open a combat sports

1649
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 2: show talking about anime.

1650
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I think you're wrong about how

1651
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: popular these movies are.

1652
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 2: Okay, just because it's it's our same argument on soccer.

1653
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 2: And by the way, I don't hate soccer, but I

1654
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 2: used to, and it's part of the argument. Just because

1655
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 2: something is beloved, yeah, doesn't mean.

1656
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: So why would these movies not have a right to

1657
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: be beloved or works of art?

1658
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 2: Your defense always is I.

1659
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: Don't tink know if I can hear you?

1660
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 2: How about now? How about now?

1661
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 1: Nor your mic is jacked up? Oh, we're gonna have

1662
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:59,639
Speaker 1: to fix your mic. You know what the world cut

1663
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: you all when you were making your stupidest point imaginable.

1664
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 1: It just did you a favor. Do you want to

1665
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: come over and just do it with me right here?

1666
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: We can do it like when you're in the world,

1667
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, when the rock stars do this.

1668
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 2: Oh, Ken, thank you so much.

1669
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: Are you want to finish your very stupid point?

1670
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 2: My point was your defense always it would be like,

1671
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 2: if I was ragging on Taylor Swift, you'd be like, bro,

1672
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 2: don't you know how much she's made on the Arrows Tour.

1673
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, that's cool, say so, so you understand this.

1674
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: You believe that the cultural value and the the the

1675
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 1: artistic value of these movies is tantamount to a corporate fucking.

1676
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 2: You believe that it's impossible to not like something if

1677
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 2: the masses love it.

1678
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:48,560
Speaker 1: That's like the opposite of what I believe on virtually everything.

1679
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 1: Maybe you know that it's that's not what I believe.

1680
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 2: But that's always your first excuse is like you see

1681
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 2: you have any idea how popular soccer is, right, because

1682
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 2: do you come to the with like insane positions that

1683
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:03,520
Speaker 2: are hard to understand.

1684
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it'd be one thing if it's like I

1685
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 1: don't only like anime. I'm not even sure how you

1686
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: probably classify this as either anime or not, but whatever,

1687
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 1: it'd be one thing, like that's not for me. But

1688
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 1: then you're like, oh, it's clearly not good or not

1689
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: of value or not worth my time. And I'm like, dude,

1690
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 1: read the culture, read the critical reviews of these movies,

1691
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:25,600
Speaker 1: like by all means ignore it.

1692
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like you saying The Grateful that's

1693
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 2: the worst band of all time before ever listen.

1694
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 1: That's a personal thing, that's less thing. That's something that

1695
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: I can justify. Although they are bad, your mileage may

1696
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 1: very look. Yeah, I will say, you know what, I

1697
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 1: you know what I learned at this that the Sphere

1698
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: show they're not bad.

1699
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 2: It's just they didn't even get into it. You heard

1700
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 2: three songs they didn't get into like the real Longs.

1701
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: Just a bunch of white people swaying in the wind

1702
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: like this. This is what it is. It's like, it's

1703
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 1: just it's just it's it's inoffensive. It's inoffensive. That's the

1704
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 1: best thing I can say for it. It's inoffensive.

1705
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 2: That's the opposite of abortion rock and Death Matters, which

1706
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 2: is very offensive, very offensive.

1707
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I even I've been texting back and forth with Gilbert.

1708
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what the situation is. We got coutered again,

1709
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 2: we got cootered.

1710
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,799
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like the reality. Like I love Gilbert.

1711
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if he I don't know if the

1712
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 1: time zones got messed up. I don't really know what happened.

1713
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: But this is why, like I don't like booking fighters

1714
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: at all.

1715
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 2: Well, historically we've both done a great job chasing away

1716
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 2: the cooter, you know what I mean, whether it's Randy

1717
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 2: or you know. So, I'm not surprised mother efforts, you know.

1718
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing that Ariel pulls this off two times

1719
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 1: a week, because I find it impossible to do one

1720
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 1: time a day.

1721
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 2: That's why he's the fourteen time defending Chock.

1722
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: It must be the difference, No, it must be.

1723
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 2: It must be it I got it doesn't matter. It

1724
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:43,679
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what I do in this business.

1725
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 1: I cannot seem to solve this problem I've been This

1726
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: is the exact same problem I've been having since day

1727
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 1: fucking won.

1728
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 2: So we can laugh about it though, Oh yeah, no

1729
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 2: it's fine.

1730
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's fine, it's but it's it's just amazing

1731
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: to me that like nothing ever changes with respect to

1732
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: these booking challenges. I'm waiting for you wanna to call back.

1733
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: I told you what happened after she like completely stiffed

1734
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 1: me on the air. Remember this, she uh, she called

1735
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 1: into our show first and was supposed to be on,

1736
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 1: and then whatever she talked to like Danny in the back.

1737
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly what went wrong, But then she

1738
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 1: had to hang up, and then she called into Aerial show,

1739
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: which you know, and I had already introduced her as like, hey,

1740
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: she's gonna be on right now, let's go to her, like,

1741
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 1: oh no, we can't. Then she hangs up, and then

1742
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: she called back when I was like an hour off

1743
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: the air, I was like, hey, I'm ready to do

1744
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: the interview now. I'm like, right, So here's how this works.

1745
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm no longer on the fucking air. I'm not even

1746
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:38,719
Speaker 1: in the fucking building anymore. That was the window lady,

1747
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 1: and you fucked it up for me completely. So yeah, fun,

1748
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 1: fun times. And of course there was never any attempt

1749
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 1: to acknowledge any wrongdoing on anyone else's part. I'm just

1750
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: expected to eat that l on air, which I did.

1751
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: So forgive me if I don't have positive feelings about

1752
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 1: her long term, you know what I mean.

1753
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 2: In the great words of Robin Williams, not your fault.

1754
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 1: I know, it's not my fucking fault.

1755
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 2: I know.

1756
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,719
Speaker 1: Believe me, I'm not the one who's missing these windows.

1757
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 2: I think you can let this go.

1758
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 1: Though they apologize, I would have let it go.

1759
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a pro athlete. It's kind of what

1760
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 2: they do.

1761
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't take kindly to it, though I'm a

1762
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: human being I have I'm a professional. I show up.

1763
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 1: If I didn't show up, people would be shitty to me.

1764
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 1: So why are they exempt? I like Gilbert? I love Gilbert,

1765
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying.

1766
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 2: I mean, she does have all time great spunk.

1767
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 1: Look, she is an all time great I don't take

1768
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 1: that away from her, but that was an all time

1769
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 1: shitty move.

1770
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't defend that, you know, in our marriage,

1771
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 2: I can't defend that she can.

1772
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 1: We talk about getting back to UFC three or three?

1773
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: Can we talk about race Seruya and Carlos Hernandez.

1774
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you were real into race Saria, and by

1775
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:44,799
Speaker 2: the way, he lived up to your lost the expectations.

1776
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,520
Speaker 1: Okay, but let's back up a step. How about Carlos Hernandez,

1777
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: who was very much a worthy adversary in this fight.

1778
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: In the end, Serujya looked like he was real special.

1779
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I'm still high on him, maybe even higher,

1780
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: But there's one little caveat to that. The high risk

1781
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 1: stuff he goes for.

1782
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 2: Tells me he hasn't.

1783
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: I wonder what's gonna happen if he tries this and

1784
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 1: he gets someone who's a slightly better fighter than Carlos

1785
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 1: Hernandez and shuts this down, and then this crazy shit

1786
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 1: he goes for doesn't work anymore. What that's going to

1787
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 1: do to him adapting and maturing and realizing that it's

1788
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 1: better to go for high percentage stuff than the opposite.

1789
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: Because right now he's got this crazy, like elastic scramble, heavy,

1790
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: amazing grappling style. Hernandez gave him a little bit of

1791
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 1: trouble for it. The next guy might be even harder

1792
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 1: as he moves up the list. What's that going to

1793
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: do to him long term? And is he going to

1794
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 1: have to learn the hard way so he's got all

1795
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 1: the ability in the world. I guess the point I'm

1796
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 1: trying to make is I want my MMA fighters to

1797
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 1: have a lot of confidence, but I also like it

1798
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 1: when they're not, as like, I don't give a shit

1799
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,719
Speaker 1: about the risk of this kind of situation.

1800
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, bring that same energy that you

1801
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 2: bring to your only Fans channel and bring it to

1802
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 2: the cage.

1803
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:11,719
Speaker 1: Right I told you about the only Fans fade, Right, Yeah, Nocita,

1804
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 1: have you heard about this.

1805
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 2: No I'm listening though.

1806
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: I was on another guy's podcast, Clent Out of MMA Diehards, right,

1807
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 1: and he told me that they have an only fans fade,

1808
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: so that if a fighter typically it's a woman obviously

1809
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 1: but not always, if they have an OnlyFans account, they

1810
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: automatically fade them, and that apparently this hits routinely because

1811
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 1: it doesn't.

1812
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 2: It does seem to be that most fighters that have

1813
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 2: ability that get them it seems to be on their

1814
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 2: way out that they get it, right, I they get

1815
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 2: the only fans account, like on their way out of

1816
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 2: like their arc of being how good they can become.

1817
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 1: Or like if like just think about like if you

1818
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: can make a lot of money on only fans, what

1819
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 1: does that say about you?

1820
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 2: Well, I think they get to a point in their

1821
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:54,600
Speaker 2: career where they're so frustrated of not making money in

1822
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 2: MMA that then they see what's going on so they

1823
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 2: kind of throw their attention more to.

1824
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 1: Maybe is that what you think, Nocita that or they're

1825
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 1: just focusing their time on other things than training, butthole, butthole, Wow, how.

1826
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 2: Do we get here? So? Yeah, that's it for three

1827
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 2: h three. Luke Let's transition here. All right, topic number four.

1828
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: Very good overall, kind of a dreadful cart an amazing

1829
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 1: main event, and a lot of interesting stuff in between.

1830
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:19,759
Speaker 1: All right, BC, let's do a little bit of boxing

1831
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: talk here. If Gilbert joins us, will happily put them on.

1832
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen, but we'll see.

1833
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 1: All right, So let's start kind of want to start

1834
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 1: with Bam. Can we start with Bam, Bam? Let's start

1835
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 1: with fucking bam. Guys. Jesse Rodriguez, I don't know what

1836
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: else to say, twenty four years old. If you did

1837
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,479
Speaker 1: not see his fight against Strata this weekend, it's the

1838
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 1: best fight in combat sports that I saw over the

1839
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 1: entire weekend. Now, Potan's finish is ridiculous, but the fight

1840
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 1: overall was incredible. BC, help us out here for a second.

1841
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 1: Who is Bam Rodriguez? Who is a Strata? Why was

1842
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 1: this matchup important? And then he stops him with a

1843
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 1: body shot. KO in the had knocked him down I

1844
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 1: think in the second or the third. I forgot fourth

1845
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 1: round and knocked him down, although he got knocked down,

1846
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 1: but it was kind of a different knockdown and he suffered.

1847
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 1: But this guy is incredible. Help us understand the significance

1848
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: of this one.

1849
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's kind of criminally underrated, not just in boxing

1850
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,679
Speaker 2: in general, although the hardcourts definitely know. But I think

1851
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 2: on the presentation on this show, you were asking me,

1852
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 2: why have we not talked about this guy at length?

1853
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 2: Or you know, he did have that breakout twenty twenty

1854
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 2: two where he stopped Teresa kets Or Rungvisai, won a

1855
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 2: title against Carlos Quadris, won three fights overall, and was

1856
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 2: legitimately in the Fighter of the Year discussion. I don't

1857
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 2: know why he's kind of slipped through because he kind

1858
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 2: of has everything you would want from San Antonio, huge

1859
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 2: fan based southpaw badass obviously fights in that Mexican American style,

1860
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 2: but isn't limited to just being a a second rate

1861
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:52,719
Speaker 2: shot as senior clone or you know, a traditional Mexican warrior.

1862
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 2: He has got real skill. Look the placement of his

1863
01:25:56,200 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 2: power shots, the variety in his shots, and this bead

1864
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 2: of his many little footwork combinations that always kind of

1865
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 2: for somebody who's so aggressive, he always kind of keeps

1866
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 2: himself also out of major punching range. Although he did

1867
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 2: catch that nice one two from Astrada in round six.

1868
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 2: That was a flash knockdown, but did show you who

1869
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 2: Estrada is, so all right, who is Astrada and why

1870
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 2: does this fight matter? So BAM Rodriguez kind of came

1871
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 2: out of nowhere a couple of years ago, had that

1872
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 2: huge twenty twenty two one world titles at one fifteen,

1873
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 2: beating sort of that era's heroes one after another. Then

1874
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 2: moved up to one eighteen one two in a row,

1875
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 2: including a world title, gave Sonny Edwards his first loss

1876
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 2: last earlier this year, and just absolutely schooled him. But

1877
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 2: this was not only going up another level of competition.

1878
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 2: This was him going back in wait, back down to

1879
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 2: one fifteen and looking to unify against a future Hall

1880
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 2: of Famer in Juan Francisco Estrada. BAM is trying to

1881
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 2: take on and fight and defeat as many legends as

1882
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 2: he can at age twenty four. But Estrada has really

1883
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 2: been the legend and killed of this division or the

1884
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 2: small weight divisions over the past decade plus. He had

1885
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 2: the trilogy with Chocolatito, and even though you can argue

1886
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,759
Speaker 2: on the second fight specifically of the decision, he scored

1887
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 2: two wins to close out that series, he has two

1888
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 2: incredible fights with Seestric ketch or Rung Visai, who was

1889
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 2: the god of that division for a while. Yeah, he

1890
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 2: showed that he's at you know, thirty four, starting to

1891
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 2: go over the hill into the other direction. But for

1892
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 2: Bam to step in for it's still to deliver the

1893
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 2: action and be almost kind of like a Fight of

1894
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 2: the Year contender, but still be so one sided. At

1895
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 2: the same time, Luke, other people have had Bam Rodriguez

1896
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 2: in their power for Pound top ten. I've always had

1897
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 2: him just outside looking in. That was a pump for

1898
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 2: pound level that because it's not just a power what

1899
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 2: do you like about hit? The way he sets up

1900
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 2: and in his aggression, those combinations are slick. They come

1901
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 2: from crazy.

1902
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 4: Am.

1903
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 1: Surge More made a great point early on in the fight.

1904
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 1: He was the one walking Astrada down, but he was

1905
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 1: the one counterpunching. That's very difficult to do. Usually, if

1906
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 1: you think of the counterpuncher, the CounterPunch is the one

1907
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,600
Speaker 1: that's receiving the pressure and then has to kind of

1908
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 1: get out of the way. For example, that's what Petta

1909
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 1: did against bro Hodgkat this past weekend. But Estrada was

1910
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 1: the one walking him down and then getting out of

1911
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 1: the way. You have to be your timing has to

1912
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 1: be so good, your athleticism has to be on point,

1913
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 1: your vision everything distance management, that's a really, really difficult

1914
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 1: thing to do. And then b see the combination work

1915
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 1: and getting and changing angles. He would take inside foot

1916
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 1: position and work something step out and then create a

1917
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 1: lane for his left hand as a south paw. His

1918
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 1: ability to use pivots to reset the angle, forcing him

1919
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: to turn the body work again. He stopped him with

1920
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 1: a body shot. Ko, we've got that footage. Let me

1921
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 1: see what we have. I would love to see. This

1922
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 1: are shitting me to and the guy he's beating everything

1923
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 1: you just said.

1924
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 2: Is a hall of famers, it's all.

1925
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 1: Look, he tries to get up and then he just

1926
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 1: absolutely can't. Look at him in agony on the floor.

1927
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 1: This guy, he's got the hits him with. I mean,

1928
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 1: just look, start start the start to clip one more time,

1929
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 1: just from the very beginning, if I can see if

1930
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 1: I can grab it, Look at him pivot out to

1931
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 1: reset the angle right there.

1932
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 2: Boom. That's almost reminiscent of Chuck Latito, those type of.

1933
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: Moves putting himself in position in the pocket. Look, he's

1934
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 1: already in the pocket when this happens. To reset the

1935
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 1: angle to fire it right with the good timing after

1936
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 1: Estrata goes. So this is what I'm talking about. Welcome's danger,

1937
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 1: has the athleticism to handle it, obviously has power at

1938
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 1: this weight class. Holy shit, he can do this no problem.

1939
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 1: And hat dude. The guy's confidence with ball with fucking balls. Dude,

1940
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 1: if I PC, he better be in your pound for

1941
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 1: pound to know.

1942
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 2: He is he is this week I'm gonna update that

1943
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 2: actually later to I.

1944
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 1: Saw this on boxing. I looked it up in a

1945
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: ways thirty one thirty one In April, someone said he's

1946
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 1: the best boxer in the world under the age of thirty.

1947
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 2: Bam Rodriguez at twenty four. Wow, that would have to

1948
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 2: He's not better than check.

1949
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:01,759
Speaker 1: Are his wins better than yours?

1950
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 2: Yes?

1951
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 1: So then why is he better than Shakur?

1952
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 2: Wella has one, He's proven more. Chaquur has won titles

1953
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 2: in three divisions. He hasn't had as many big ticket fights.

1954
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 2: But I even you know, what, are you gonna call

1955
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 2: Chikar buring? Okay, you can call him boring, but I

1956
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 2: don't think you can call him anything but well better

1957
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 2: than Tex, potentially, good, potentially but the but it has

1958
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 2: swayed in Tank's direction of late the debate, right, it

1959
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:28,759
Speaker 2: has certainly swayed in Tanks direction because of the power

1960
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 2: and because obviously Tank is also a pomper pound level

1961
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 2: boxer and is a genius in terms of account adventure.

1962
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 2: Ultimately his power may be enough, but until I see

1963
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 2: Shaque solved, he's still the you know, the the He's

1964
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:45,680
Speaker 2: still the wildcard. Look he is, He's the wildcard to

1965
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 2: take over and be everyone in these lower way classes.

1966
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 2: And I know there's not a lot, There's not as

1967
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 2: much money in that account anymore. After what he did

1968
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 2: against uh against uh DLAs Edwin Delos Santos, where he

1969
01:30:57,439 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 2: did he was kind of injured and he kind of

1970
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 2: didn't fight aggressively. He also limited the guy. I always

1971
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 2: add that caveat because it's true he limited to the

1972
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 2: guy to a CompuBox record of fewest punches landed in

1973
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 2: his division.

1974
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:09,599
Speaker 1: And he's got a big fight coming up this weekend.

1975
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:12,679
Speaker 2: True, but I also think he deserves Whether you're gonna

1976
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 2: call him boring, whether you're gonna take some points away

1977
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:18,560
Speaker 2: from him because he didn't fight in a great performance

1978
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 2: of taking it to his opponent.

1979
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 1: I want to be clear, he's English speaking as well.

1980
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 1: He's American Rodriguez. Yes, how big of a star can

1981
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 1: you be at one fifteen?

1982
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 2: It's really hard. It was really hard for Chuck Latito,

1983
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 2: who also didn't speak English, but they ended up linking

1984
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 2: him at the end of his prime with Triple G

1985
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 2: and HBO is making all Chuck Latito fights as the

1986
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 2: co main events to Triple G. Fight's very smart move

1987
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 2: right there. It's limited, but he speaks English. He's a badass. Look,

1988
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:46,600
Speaker 2: we were talking earlier about his tattoos. He's got the

1989
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 2: sideburn tattoos that have like the area code and the

1990
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 2: different you know, symbols the Q that mean a lot

1991
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 2: to him. Normally I would say not that far, but

1992
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 2: they were counting, you know, Sergio more after the knockout,

1993
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:02,800
Speaker 2: when they were sort of celebrating on air, of the

1994
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 2: announcers he was sort of naming the other great flyweights

1995
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 2: and super flyweights that have come through through the years,

1996
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 2: and he's basically saying, this guy is of that ILK.

1997
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 2: I even what he did in twenty twenty two, I

1998
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 2: didn't think he was going to be this good. I

1999
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 2: didn't think he was. And even if you're telling me, okay,

2000
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:20,679
Speaker 2: Estrata did show to some degree that he's a lot

2001
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 2: closer to being done than to his prime. Yeah, that

2002
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 2: could be true. I also didn't expect him to like

2003
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 2: dogwalk him the way he did.

2004
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 1: Chris Mannix, when the fight was over, asked, what about

2005
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 1: a fight with Noia in a way, who, by some

2006
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 1: people's account, is the best boxer in the world. There

2007
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 1: is debate over that. It could be Crawford, could be

2008
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: you sick, you can decide, but it's only one of

2009
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 1: those three and nobody else. He has obviously come from

2010
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 1: this weight class. He now sits at one twenty two,

2011
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 1: So there are two weight classes apart for all to

2012
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 1: talk about. Hey, what about Tank versus in a way? Well,

2013
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 1: that fight was at one fifteen. So what I'm saying

2014
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:53,640
Speaker 1: so one fifteen, one eighteen one two, they're two weight

2015
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 1: classes apart.

2016
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that's what I mean. Okay, So when.

2017
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 1: You think about it, that fight is actually, at least

2018
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 1: in theory, more doable than I think. In a way

2019
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 1: versus Tank is what is your level of potential intrigue.

2020
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 1: Do you think it's even possible that they can make

2021
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 1: a Rodriga.

2022
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,680
Speaker 2: I think it's possible because I think if you're Bam Rodriguez,

2023
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:15,639
Speaker 2: you have balls, you probably want to fight the best.

2024
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 2: You've proven that that you've wanted to fight the best.

2025
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you just walk through in a couple of

2026
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 2: years stretch and defeated SSR so Rung, Visaia and now

2027
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 2: El Gayo like nothing. So I think he would want it.

2028
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 2: I think you can even look at it from like

2029
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:31,559
Speaker 2: a Stephen Fulton Junior point of view that even if

2030
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 2: you go in there and get handled and dominated, Okay,

2031
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 2: you went and fought a legend, is not going to

2032
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 2: hold that against you. I think he would have the

2033
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 2: balls to think he's going to go in there and

2034
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 2: win that. Yeah, I think you can make that fight.

2035
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 2: I think Anu he's going to be in really big

2036
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:45,679
Speaker 2: fights the rest of his way, in my opinion, because

2037
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna dare to be great size wise.

2038
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 2: And I think that the combination of being co promoted

2039
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 2: by Bob Aram and being a loved one of Turkey

2040
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 2: alaschic like one of the fighters that Turkey seems to

2041
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:03,480
Speaker 2: really love what aj they have a benevidez Tyson Fury,

2042
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 2: that English guy, you know, the young English guy in

2043
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 2: the small weight class. No, the other guy, the other

2044
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 2: guy he loves. I forgot the guy's name, and and

2045
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:15,839
Speaker 2: this guy that seemed to be his, his, his beloved players.

2046
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 2: So it's I don't look, I'm at the point now

2047
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 2: and I don't know really what next year is going

2048
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:23,640
Speaker 2: to look like, and if the Saudi Arabia League is

2049
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 2: even a thing, I'd rather as we talked about doing

2050
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 2: in between things where we just have big majors right

2051
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 2: that are Saudier a part of and they're filling financially.

2052
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:33,680
Speaker 2: But I still feel like there's no fight right now

2053
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,520
Speaker 2: that can't get made. So we can play this barbershop

2054
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 2: fantasy match making ad nauseum. Not only do I love

2055
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 2: that game, but I don't think there's a fight that

2056
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 2: can't get made right now. I don't.

2057
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:45,639
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see what happens. I don't know what they're

2058
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 1: going to do.

2059
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:48,759
Speaker 2: But we've never had bank like that, just sitting around,

2060
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 2: just sitting around, just waiting.

2061
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 1: But it's so rare. I had not had a chance

2062
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 1: to keep up with Rodriguez's career very much recently, and

2063
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 1: then I knew this was a big one coming, and

2064
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 1: then I watched it and I was like, holy shit,

2065
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 1: this kid is ridiculous. And by the way, all action style,

2066
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 1: all action style. This is not one of those guys

2067
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:11,560
Speaker 1: who's trying to point fight anybody. He is a predator.

2068
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:12,920
Speaker 1: He's a predator in there.

2069
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 2: Would you think of Corey Orderman getting more opportunities. He's

2070
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 2: Todd Grisham's back up in some ways as play by

2071
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 2: play on his own, but he got he got the

2072
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 2: call for this one.

2073
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 1: I thought he did great with the final call itself.

2074
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:25,600
Speaker 1: Certainly it was there's a lot going on because there

2075
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 1: was him, there was the British Donk, there was more

2076
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:28,400
Speaker 1: of there was man.

2077
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 2: They sometimes put like four or five people.

2078
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 1: There was four guys on this one, so it was

2079
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 1: a lot to kind of keep up with. So I'll

2080
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 1: just say like when he made his presence, felt it

2081
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 1: did not seem out of place, and it seemed to

2082
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: match the intensity of the moment. By the way, the

2083
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 1: crowd was going fucking berserk for Estrada, but also for

2084
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 1: like the action itself.

2085
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 2: That's a good placements they put that. And was that

2086
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:49,559
Speaker 2: in Glendale or film.

2087
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:50,240
Speaker 1: I don't remember.

2088
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,840
Speaker 2: That's a perfect spot because you've got Bam coming from

2089
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 2: San Antonio and those fight those fans travel from there

2090
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 2: for sure, and then you got Astrada from Mexico, so

2091
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 2: it was perfect. They have been. Here's the thing Golden

2092
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:05,400
Speaker 2: Boy has that old was that Matrum, Matrick Mattrium. They

2093
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:07,839
Speaker 2: have built him correctly, like these are the right fighters

2094
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:09,680
Speaker 2: that he's going through. He seems now getting like the

2095
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 2: public push, and this was a big fight in that regard.

2096
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 1: That's why I asked about how big he can be.

2097
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:16,639
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it seems like on the boxing end,

2098
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:18,520
Speaker 1: he's got everything.

2099
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look at how quickly Pitbull Cruza Cruz went

2100
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 2: from like exciting fighter to like I think Mexico just

2101
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 2: claimed him as their next favorite thing.

2102
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 1: Okay, but he had to fight Gervonte Davis. He had

2103
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 1: to fight like he had He had to be on

2104
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 1: big cards and big opportunities.

2105
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 2: And wants that. Though he obviously wants that at this age,

2106
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 2: you know he's got Yeah, look, Eddie's aligned with Turkey.

2107
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 2: They're gonna make We're gonna find out how good this

2108
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 2: kid is. Yeah, Yeah, it's gonna be great. We got

2109
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 2: to go to the ESPN broadcast and Tayo Femo. But

2110
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 2: speaking of the connection between what I said about Corey Yurpan,

2111
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 2: did you see Chris al Jerry filled in for Tim Bradley.

2112
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:51,720
Speaker 2: I did on the ESPN card. It was fantastic.

2113
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 1: How about Chris al Jerry was in DC on Friday

2114
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 1: for the Lamont Roach card, Yes on Probox TV, and

2115
01:36:57,360 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 1: then flew where was the fight with uh that would

2116
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:02,679
Speaker 1: be in Miami? Then flew to Miami. He's from south Warder,

2117
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:04,720
Speaker 1: but then flew to Miami to go do this card

2118
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:06,719
Speaker 1: on back to back nights, and then I think killed

2119
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 1: it on both fucking knights.

2120
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 2: Dude, he wore the white jacket on ESPN. I have

2121
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 2: to say, like he's he's he might be, especially with

2122
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:15,679
Speaker 2: andre Ward stepping away for now from this specific job,

2123
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 2: he might be like the most thoughtful fighter analyst right

2124
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 2: now in the game. I think. I think it's fair

2125
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:23,200
Speaker 2: to say he's very well spoken and obviously the experience

2126
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:24,479
Speaker 2: is a former champion, But I thought he hit it

2127
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 2: out of the park with his chemistry with Joe Test.

2128
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:29,680
Speaker 2: They kind of kept Mark Kriegel as sort of like

2129
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 2: the scorekeeper only and I thought they knocked it out

2130
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 2: of the park. The question is, did Tayo Femo Luke

2131
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:37,440
Speaker 2: defended his one hundred and forty pound title against Canadian

2132
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 2: brawler Steve Claggett. It wasn't a big name on purpose.

2133
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:42,439
Speaker 2: It seemed like they wanted to get an action fighter

2134
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 2: in there. They got it. I watched the public's reaction

2135
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 2: before I watched the fight, and I felt like everybody

2136
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:51,679
Speaker 2: I saw in my timeline or even some in stories

2137
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 2: were writing underwhelming performance from Tayo Fema. I've got to

2138
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:58,080
Speaker 2: push against that. He didn't get the stoppage. There is

2139
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:00,720
Speaker 2: an argument to make about whether he actually has ever

2140
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:02,640
Speaker 2: really carried the power up from one thirty five to

2141
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 2: one forty, because in the second half of that fight

2142
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:07,640
Speaker 2: he was hitting Clagett with the kitchen sink, lowering Clagett's

2143
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 2: outcome and just teeing off on him and he was

2144
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 2: unable to get him out of there. But short of

2145
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 2: that power, I saw a guy make adjustments under fire

2146
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:19,280
Speaker 2: and really look very good again. And he can be

2147
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:22,280
Speaker 2: so hit or miss based on seeming the circumstances in

2148
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 2: his life. But did you agree that that overall it

2149
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 2: felt like a win? I mean, it was a win

2150
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 2: in terms of the victory, and it was a wide margin,

2151
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:31,840
Speaker 2: but I feel like it advanced him forward.

2152
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 1: I'll say this, We have Gilbert here now, so I'm

2153
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:36,559
Speaker 1: looking forward. We'll talk to him about it. I feel

2154
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 1: like in the end, Lopez looked great, but the visuals

2155
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 1: after of his face being so swollen and so messed up.

2156
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if like it wasn't big enough to

2157
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 1: capture enough attention to really hurt his stock. But if

2158
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 1: you just look at him afterwards, you're like, damn, you

2159
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 1: kind of struggled with this guy, and that's not what

2160
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 1: the tape show.

2161
01:38:57,600 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 2: He didn't respect the guy's power, so he did.

2162
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 1: And by the way, Cla it was like right on

2163
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 1: top of him truck to start the fight. So it

2164
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 1: kind of is inevitable. So I appreciate the risks that

2165
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:09,599
Speaker 1: Lopez takes. I guess I'll say this, if he's gonna

2166
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 1: take that kind of a damage, it should be against

2167
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 1: somebody's It's worth it, you know what I mean. That's

2168
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 1: my only issue. All right, all right, let's bring him

2169
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 1: in now. Are our friend here, Gilbert Burns? We got him? Yeah,

2170
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 1: because you know what, he is reliable. He will be

2171
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:25,680
Speaker 1: in the main event against Sean Brady. This will be

2172
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 1: excuse me, this will be September seventh at the Apex.

2173
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:32,680
Speaker 1: It's the one and only Gilbert Burns there he is.

2174
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:34,679
Speaker 1: What's Gilbert?

2175
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:35,599
Speaker 2: How are you, my friend?

2176
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:38,920
Speaker 4: I'm doing good. Guys, thanks for having me a little

2177
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:41,240
Speaker 4: bit late, running late here. Just came back from Gregga's

2178
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:43,960
Speaker 4: yesterday night. You got to train every family, so it

2179
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 4: was only a little late. So my bad.

2180
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:48,720
Speaker 1: It's okay, Dude's it's how things go. We appreciate you

2181
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 1: joining us just the same. Hey, got to get your

2182
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 1: reaction to what we saw. First of let's just talk

2183
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 1: about the main event from UFC three or three. You

2184
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 1: were there. Well, if I had to ask you a

2185
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:02,560
Speaker 1: basic question to give me your answer, what makes Poeton

2186
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:03,839
Speaker 1: so special?

2187
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 4: Well, that power made that guy so special. The character,

2188
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 4: you know, the guy even though he doesn't stick English,

2189
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:15,400
Speaker 4: A lot of people can't understand the guy can like,

2190
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:19,559
Speaker 4: I don't know, he's a little weird because but he's

2191
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,759
Speaker 4: the guy that we can't connect more than we could

2192
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:25,479
Speaker 4: back in the days with Anderson Silva. Anderson was the greatest,

2193
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 4: but his English wasn't the best. Out at you, but

2194
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 4: we couldn't connect, I think, and now with social media,

2195
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:33,760
Speaker 4: with a lot of more things, you can connect more

2196
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 4: with the guy, you know. But I knew that guy

2197
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 4: was going to win, you know, for sure, was a

2198
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:41,639
Speaker 4: little bit nervous, but that guy has dynamites on his hands,

2199
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 4: and Jerry is another guy that gonna out wrestle him.

2200
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 4: That's gonna be his mouth with the strategy, He's gonna

2201
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:50,640
Speaker 4: go a little crazy and strike, and I kind of

2202
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 4: felt that that was going to be the outcome.

2203
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:55,200
Speaker 1: Would you want to see him fight John Jones?

2204
01:40:57,160 --> 01:41:00,920
Speaker 4: H that's a very tough fight, thinking John Jonders and

2205
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 4: I'm going to play the game Jonners, It's choose marw.

2206
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:07,439
Speaker 4: I would love to see it, just just so maybe

2207
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 4: these guys can go on the He stories one of

2208
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:13,879
Speaker 4: the greatest, but it stylistically I don't like the matchup

2209
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:17,880
Speaker 4: for for pay, but for sure would have watched the guy.

2210
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:20,800
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the other fight that was

2211
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 1: on this card that is relevant to you. You're fighting

2212
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:25,679
Speaker 1: Sean Brady, as I indicated, but as it currently stands

2213
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:28,679
Speaker 1: in the rankings, Gilbert Burns, that's you obviously sitting at six.

2214
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:32,240
Speaker 1: Then there's Ian Gary at seven and then Brady at eight,

2215
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 1: give me a sense of what you saw from Ian

2216
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:40,799
Speaker 1: Gary in his very close but win over MVP on Saturday.

2217
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:45,120
Speaker 4: I saw a guy that that I still have a

2218
01:41:45,120 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 4: great relationship with Ian no I corner Hee and Neil Magazine,

2219
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 4: with training, I sport together. I support these guys so

2220
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:53,800
Speaker 4: many times. And I was the one that like you.

2221
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:55,840
Speaker 4: He said, bro, I don't think he's going to stay

2222
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:59,320
Speaker 4: here Clippy as much. And I said, if you don't

2223
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:01,920
Speaker 4: stay here, he should travel, you know, he should focus

2224
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:03,840
Speaker 4: on the things that I need to get better. Let's say,

2225
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:06,360
Speaker 4: for example, if you want to strike or was he

2226
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:08,839
Speaker 4: always going to Tiland a little bit? Maybe New Zealand.

2227
01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:11,599
Speaker 4: If you want to grapple, get better your grapple should

2228
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 4: definitely go to Brazil. And he kind of got that,

2229
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:16,800
Speaker 4: you know, and then he went to Brazil short with

2230
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:19,840
Speaker 4: Dannil Mayer, with charged El Rivera, And I think on

2231
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:22,760
Speaker 4: that on that fight, he wants to showcase his improvement.

2232
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:26,120
Speaker 4: And that's the best start fight to show your improvement

2233
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:27,880
Speaker 4: on the on the on the grapple, you know, because

2234
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,640
Speaker 4: that guy doesn't have a lot and he's danger on

2235
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:33,760
Speaker 4: the striking. So I think it was a very close fight,

2236
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:36,479
Speaker 4: But I think he showed a lot of improvement on

2237
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:38,519
Speaker 4: his grappler, you know, and then he's see a lot

2238
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:41,240
Speaker 4: of things to grow. This guy's only twenty six. I

2239
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:44,960
Speaker 4: think he showed a lot of potential on the guy guy.

2240
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:49,479
Speaker 4: He's danger striking with a good IQ and UH and

2241
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:51,120
Speaker 4: getting better and better.

2242
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:55,160
Speaker 1: Okay, I agree that he showed promise. I certainly don't

2243
01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 1: challenge that. But he's sitting in the rankings between Again,

2244
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:01,559
Speaker 1: we'll see how it goes after today, but he's sitting

2245
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 1: in the rankings between you and Sean Brady, And it's like,

2246
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 1: and you want to talk about, like out of the

2247
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 1: frying pan into the fire. If he ends up fighting

2248
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 1: the winner of your fight, which could potentially be you, A,

2249
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:12,760
Speaker 1: would you have any issue fighting him?

2250
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:13,000
Speaker 3: Right?

2251
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:15,519
Speaker 2: Because I know you guys have trained together obviously, And.

2252
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:18,840
Speaker 1: Then B I agree that he's got promise, but I

2253
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:21,439
Speaker 1: don't know about the top five of that division. Tell

2254
01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 1: me what you're thinking.

2255
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:28,320
Speaker 4: First of all, I don't have no issue fighting anyone.

2256
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 2: You know I'll fight.

2257
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:33,920
Speaker 4: We're good. We have a good relationship, but we know

2258
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:37,000
Speaker 4: we both want the same thing. So we already said

2259
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:39,120
Speaker 4: to each other if we made to fight. We're gonna fight,

2260
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:44,760
Speaker 4: so I have no issues with that. And secondly, I

2261
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:48,599
Speaker 4: think he's very tough bro. I think he scrapple. He's

2262
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:52,040
Speaker 4: getting so much better. I even remember those sessions shop guy,

2263
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:53,719
Speaker 4: you know, on the feet, and he was not doing

2264
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:57,080
Speaker 4: he was doing good, very good on on the top,

2265
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 4: was getting was just getting way harder when Sho I

2266
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:03,120
Speaker 4: was taking him down, you know, but now putting a

2267
01:44:03,160 --> 01:44:06,320
Speaker 4: lot of infasy on his grappling. I that that's fight

2268
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:08,720
Speaker 4: that might happen, you know, inn and shot guy. That

2269
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:12,040
Speaker 4: would be a good fight. And uh, that Kobe fight

2270
01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:13,200
Speaker 4: will be a big test.

2271
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:13,479
Speaker 2: You know.

2272
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:17,600
Speaker 4: I think he will smoke Kobe on the feet. But

2273
01:44:17,720 --> 01:44:19,960
Speaker 4: then I want to see the grappling because KOBEI will

2274
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 4: try to taking him down and thinking maybe he can't,

2275
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 4: and then I want to see the grappling. But he's good.

2276
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:29,160
Speaker 4: You know, It's like people people are still doubting him,

2277
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:31,680
Speaker 4: but he's that good. You know that people should like

2278
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:35,960
Speaker 4: start believing a little bit more the guy. He's only

2279
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 4: twenty six. Guy's confidence very good, very high IQ, which

2280
01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:43,840
Speaker 4: is very hard and crazy guys staying good volumely, like

2281
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 4: I think he's going to do super well with a

2282
01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:48,360
Speaker 4: lot of guys in the division.

2283
01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:52,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, put some respect on that man's name. Yeah, with

2284
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 2: me at all. No, no, But but at the same time,

2285
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:55,880
Speaker 2: I think he did show a lot. I'm glad that

2286
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:58,559
Speaker 2: Gilbert could could point it out. Gilbert, there's no doubt

2287
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:01,040
Speaker 2: in your appearances on this that our fans will put

2288
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:03,679
Speaker 2: you first ballot Hall of Fame for Best Interviews because

2289
01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 2: you're always so real and honest with us. So tough

2290
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,519
Speaker 2: question here, You're facing a two fight, losing skid for

2291
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:13,760
Speaker 2: the first time in your pro career. Does doubt creep in?

2292
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 2: Does anything change for you mindset wise? Facing this for

2293
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:22,920
Speaker 2: the first time, I was.

2294
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:27,800
Speaker 4: Said, what never happens? He indeed, you know, he died

2295
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:29,680
Speaker 4: a little bit on the beginning, but I got it.

2296
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:32,439
Speaker 4: I had todst it up and go back to work.

2297
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 4: And so that was a tough come back to you

2298
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:38,760
Speaker 4: because right after the injury and then the loss and

2299
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:42,840
Speaker 4: injuries from Blah Muhammed, I got a Jack Glamandalina. I

2300
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:44,519
Speaker 4: thought it was going to be a tough fight, but

2301
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 4: I thought I get it. I get into I don't

2302
01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 4: you know, by the end he knocked me out. It

2303
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:51,639
Speaker 4: was a good way. I got a couple of injuries,

2304
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 4: a little concussion after that, so I need to another

2305
01:45:54,439 --> 01:45:57,680
Speaker 4: pause at the career with cover and then go back

2306
01:45:57,720 --> 01:45:59,519
Speaker 4: to training find it and now I'm all good.

2307
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:03,000
Speaker 2: Uh, but now.

2308
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:08,520
Speaker 4: I got to he's not. I don't care about the criticism.

2309
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:10,439
Speaker 4: I don't care. I don't I don't even look at it.

2310
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:12,439
Speaker 4: And I really don't because people say I don't care

2311
01:46:12,439 --> 01:46:14,360
Speaker 4: who they're looking everything that people are saying and they're

2312
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:17,200
Speaker 4: feeling bad, I really don't. I know who I am,

2313
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:21,880
Speaker 4: I know what I get, and uh, I'm just coming

2314
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:26,640
Speaker 4: to this fight and I really really really want to

2315
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:29,240
Speaker 4: finish these guys, you know, just to prove to myself

2316
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 4: that I'm still one of the best, that I still

2317
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:34,680
Speaker 4: can become a champion, because that's what I am on

2318
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:36,880
Speaker 4: the UFC sport, you know, I want to become a champion.

2319
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:40,240
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be these guys. I'm not taking

2320
01:46:40,360 --> 01:46:43,639
Speaker 4: fights and doing whatever. And then if I wasn't thus

2321
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:46,479
Speaker 4: in four year position, I'm out. I'm not fighting anymore

2322
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:48,840
Speaker 4: because they've got two times with these guys that guy

2323
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:51,720
Speaker 4: had lost him out, you know, and then it will

2324
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:54,320
Speaker 4: be the same thing with me, exactly the same. If

2325
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:58,240
Speaker 4: I'm maybe lose with this guy, and then something happened.

2326
01:46:58,280 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 4: Then I see him getting further and for the away

2327
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:04,559
Speaker 4: from the tiddle, I'm mount you know. So there's gonna

2328
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:05,880
Speaker 4: be a lot of things in my career, you know.

2329
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:08,360
Speaker 4: So I'm putting everything in this camp. I really want

2330
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:09,080
Speaker 4: to finish this guy.

2331
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 2: I know I can.

2332
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:13,960
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put every single, every single energy of my

2333
01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 4: work to go out there and really finish this guy.

2334
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:20,360
Speaker 4: He's not and and again sometimes they said that, but

2335
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:22,560
Speaker 4: I know, like the manch doll fight, I want to

2336
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:25,120
Speaker 4: finish my doll. But what stuff was danger? I just

2337
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:28,080
Speaker 4: got a win's the decision win. But with this guy,

2338
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:30,280
Speaker 4: that want the decision, you know. I want to go

2339
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:33,280
Speaker 4: out there and show levels and just finish this guy.

2340
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:37,120
Speaker 4: Thank you out of there, submission t KO, knockout, whatever

2341
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:43,280
Speaker 4: it is. But uh, that's a turning point, you know.

2342
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:45,120
Speaker 4: If I go there and finish this guy, I'm back

2343
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:47,200
Speaker 4: on the game. They give me another tough fight and

2344
01:47:47,320 --> 01:47:50,360
Speaker 4: then we'll see how it goes. By fell lose, I'm

2345
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:53,600
Speaker 4: gonna be so further away, so we'll see after that.

2346
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:57,240
Speaker 4: But I'm looking forward to go then and finish these guys.

2347
01:47:58,040 --> 01:48:00,320
Speaker 2: Well, would you call this a must win then based

2348
01:48:00,360 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 2: on everything you just said, yes, yes, that's real.

2349
01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:08,280
Speaker 1: Luke, How does that make you feel that it's that

2350
01:48:08,360 --> 01:48:11,080
Speaker 1: the stakes are that high? Do you almost like it

2351
01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:12,760
Speaker 1: or just kind of where things are?

2352
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 10: I like it.

2353
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:17,560
Speaker 4: I like it because then he's all he's all the

2354
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 4: he's all the fuel for me, you know, to put

2355
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 4: that on the training and really start like finishing, finishing

2356
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 4: this guy is going to be everything. You know, like

2357
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:30,439
Speaker 4: not or is that type of performance that I go

2358
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:32,960
Speaker 4: there on finish it? But I kill this guy for

2359
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:37,439
Speaker 4: five rounds, that would be okay. Other than that, finish

2360
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:40,560
Speaker 4: or destroy this guy for five rounds, that's it. But

2361
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:43,479
Speaker 4: that puts a lot of fuel on me. You know,

2362
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 4: they put a lot of good pression on me and

2363
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:47,080
Speaker 4: all the bad pressure, but that puts a lot of

2364
01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:49,360
Speaker 4: good pressure on my recovery of my training, my strategy,

2365
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:52,600
Speaker 4: study this guy break down, you know, like get the

2366
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:56,680
Speaker 4: real uh teammates to help me with the with the

2367
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 4: with the strategy and pushing me and get me to

2368
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:01,400
Speaker 4: to the level that I need to be to go

2369
01:49:01,479 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 4: over there and perform mentally and physically technically, And uh, yeah,

2370
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:08,600
Speaker 4: I like it. It's a good pressures. The pressure that

2371
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:11,320
Speaker 4: I always put on all my back, but I've never

2372
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:15,600
Speaker 4: been in that position of like a must win and

2373
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:17,880
Speaker 4: he's good. He's good to be in that position, to

2374
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:20,760
Speaker 4: be honest, you know. And at the end of the day,

2375
01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:25,720
Speaker 4: I'm not like, Uh, I don't repay enough of my career. Know,

2376
01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:28,400
Speaker 4: everything that I did I did with the full energy,

2377
01:49:28,479 --> 01:49:31,080
Speaker 4: with the full training, with the know what I'm doing

2378
01:49:31,240 --> 01:49:34,080
Speaker 4: so to losses is what it is. I'm going to

2379
01:49:34,120 --> 01:49:36,240
Speaker 4: destoy this guy, all right.

2380
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:40,519
Speaker 1: Obviously, a guy like Sean Brady's got really good jiu jitsu.

2381
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:44,240
Speaker 1: That's the sort of centerpiece of his game. You're a

2382
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:47,320
Speaker 1: world champion at the black belt level in jiu jitsu.

2383
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:51,479
Speaker 1: So from your eyes, give me an assessment of his grappling.

2384
01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:53,720
Speaker 1: What are the particular strengths that you can tell.

2385
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:57,559
Speaker 4: Oh, he's a very good grappler on top of heads,

2386
01:49:57,680 --> 01:50:01,040
Speaker 4: tremendous pressure, looks physically very strong. I think that's going

2387
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:05,759
Speaker 4: to be one of the most strengths for him. He's strong.

2388
01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:10,800
Speaker 4: He gain't control very good. Uh, he tried to, don't

2389
01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:13,360
Speaker 4: put a lot of space. He slowly get into position,

2390
01:50:13,720 --> 01:50:16,000
Speaker 4: has good takedowns going to the back and make control,

2391
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:20,560
Speaker 4: gets heavy top control. Yes, good hands, nothing that you

2392
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:23,960
Speaker 4: need to be too much worry about it. He's not

2393
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:26,639
Speaker 4: gonna hit as hard as Jack, as hard as Hamza

2394
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:32,479
Speaker 4: is not that type of striking aggressive. But I'll say

2395
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:34,280
Speaker 4: that the main point is going to be the grappling.

2396
01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:37,080
Speaker 4: You know, I'm thinking he has good takedowns, very strong,

2397
01:50:37,479 --> 01:50:41,960
Speaker 4: good control, and eventually he changes up to a couple

2398
01:50:42,120 --> 01:50:44,240
Speaker 4: offensive attacks of the submission.

2399
01:50:45,479 --> 01:50:48,519
Speaker 1: And how let me let me ask you this question.

2400
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:53,000
Speaker 1: How does your grappling stylistically differ from his?

2401
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:54,920
Speaker 8: Uh?

2402
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:59,360
Speaker 4: I think he got more options. I open up more

2403
01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:02,400
Speaker 4: more things. I'm a little bit more well round here.

2404
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:07,880
Speaker 4: I play bottom, play top, and uh uh, I think

2405
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:10,120
Speaker 4: I got the answer prise rapid. You know, I'm thinking

2406
01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 4: he's a holder, he's a controller, and I think a

2407
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:17,280
Speaker 4: way more attacking, offensive and throw through all the positions

2408
01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:20,000
Speaker 4: for all the angles. I think I got more more

2409
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:22,519
Speaker 4: attacks and more options than his style.

2410
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:26,559
Speaker 1: What do you make of like his physicality that he brings?

2411
01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:28,479
Speaker 1: What's your antidote for that?

2412
01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:29,639
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2413
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:32,240
Speaker 4: I heard he's very very strong. He has a good guest.

2414
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:36,000
Speaker 4: Thank my auntie. We're gonna test that. So I'm gonna

2415
01:51:36,040 --> 01:51:39,640
Speaker 4: be on a freaking amazing shape. I went all the

2416
01:51:39,680 --> 01:51:42,479
Speaker 4: way to the training lab on California. We coached car

2417
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:45,560
Speaker 4: we did a crazy tacks with we we get a

2418
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:48,200
Speaker 4: good training, good system going on. I'm looking forward to

2419
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:52,400
Speaker 4: that and uh yeah, we're gonna test that strang. We're

2420
01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:54,519
Speaker 4: gonna see how strong this guy is. We're gonna see

2421
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:58,400
Speaker 4: the guy because on my end, it's very hard to

2422
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:03,760
Speaker 4: see a guy as strong as Joel Romero, let's say,

2423
01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:10,760
Speaker 4: as strong as Paula Costa, as strong as Hamzashimayavi's and

2424
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:13,120
Speaker 4: had the crazy gas tank for five rounds. You know.

2425
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:15,680
Speaker 4: So that was the question that everyone want to see

2426
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:20,000
Speaker 4: Amzi against Robert Wit that guests ain't gonna last. And

2427
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:23,559
Speaker 4: that's gonna be my my question for for shom Brady.

2428
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:27,040
Speaker 4: If that is strong that people say, let's see how

2429
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:29,519
Speaker 4: long they guess thanks gonna land because it's very hard

2430
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:33,000
Speaker 4: to have a guy that is a freak on the

2431
01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:35,800
Speaker 4: strength they have the gas tank. On the same time,

2432
01:52:35,800 --> 01:52:38,320
Speaker 4: I never saw that if you saw that these guys

2433
01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:38,760
Speaker 4: are freak.

2434
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:42,640
Speaker 2: You know, Gilbert, We're finally gonna get resolution atop the

2435
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:46,680
Speaker 2: division with Leon Edwards defending against I remember that. I

2436
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:50,479
Speaker 2: remember the name Blah Muhammad, you do as well? How

2437
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:52,960
Speaker 2: do you handicap that fight to fight with you and

2438
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:56,799
Speaker 2: Bolal Obviously the circumstances, I'm sure you would like to change,

2439
01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:58,840
Speaker 2: but you I'm sure you also have respect for what

2440
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:02,680
Speaker 2: makes Bollah Mohammed good? How live of an underdog? Is

2441
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:05,880
Speaker 2: he in the potential of becoming the next welterweight champion?

2442
01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:09,200
Speaker 4: Oh, he's super lived. People kind of count him out.

2443
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:13,160
Speaker 4: The guy has a good I q uh I know,

2444
01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:15,400
Speaker 4: I think I know what he's gonna do. I think

2445
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:17,080
Speaker 4: he's gonna make a dog fight. You know if he

2446
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:24,519
Speaker 4: stayed on the on the distance with with Leon Edwards. Oh,

2447
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:27,840
Speaker 4: he's gonna eat a lot of cakes. He's gonna I

2448
01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:32,679
Speaker 4: think uh News is a great striker. More is a sniper.

2449
01:53:33,439 --> 01:53:36,120
Speaker 4: They use a good strategy to his camps are very good.

2450
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:39,200
Speaker 4: I like his coach follow ever want to dance the

2451
01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:42,560
Speaker 4: work that they do. But so he's blah Mohammed. You

2452
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:45,320
Speaker 4: know these guys do a good game plan. Bla Mohammed.

2453
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:50,880
Speaker 4: He has a good cardio. He doesn't go He's not

2454
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 4: that explosive, he's not super fast, but he keeps on

2455
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:56,840
Speaker 4: the high tensity. You know, he's always moving, He's always

2456
01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:59,479
Speaker 4: doing something. I don't think he's going to strike so

2457
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:02,479
Speaker 4: much that fight. That's why he was kind of training

2458
01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:05,439
Speaker 4: with his long talk with about it. I think he's

2459
01:54:05,479 --> 01:54:07,120
Speaker 4: gonna do a dog fight, you know. I think he's

2460
01:54:07,160 --> 01:54:11,839
Speaker 4: gonna be on Leon Everards thirty box and try to wrestle.

2461
01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:14,439
Speaker 4: Don't even mind if he doesn't, but he's gonna be

2462
01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:17,519
Speaker 4: on the east side making a dog fight. I think

2463
01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:22,160
Speaker 4: that's the way for bal Mohammed together way. If he

2464
01:54:22,280 --> 01:54:24,400
Speaker 4: doesn't do that, there's going to be a harder fighting

2465
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:28,040
Speaker 4: and I think can make picking him apart and get it.

2466
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:31,400
Speaker 4: But I think he's going to be a decision. I

2467
01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 4: don't know who waits, but he's going to be a

2468
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:37,360
Speaker 4: very close fight closer day people think. I think people

2469
01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:40,880
Speaker 4: kind of describe him bal Mohammed just because the he's

2470
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:42,600
Speaker 4: not the guy with that reason why he's not the

2471
01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:46,920
Speaker 4: guy that the fans like the way he talks. But

2472
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:49,920
Speaker 4: I think he's he's a very good fighter, and that

2473
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:50,880
Speaker 4: fight dis closed that.

2474
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:55,160
Speaker 1: People think, all right, what do you make about what

2475
01:54:55,320 --> 01:54:57,960
Speaker 1: Craig Jones is doing with the Craig Jones Invitational? A

2476
01:54:58,040 --> 01:55:01,520
Speaker 1: million dollars go ahead ahead with ADCC and I asked

2477
01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:03,040
Speaker 1: it for a couple of reasons. One, I'm just curious

2478
01:55:03,080 --> 01:55:05,360
Speaker 1: what you think of it. But also if a million

2479
01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:07,720
Speaker 1: bucks had been up for grabs when you are at

2480
01:55:07,760 --> 01:55:09,800
Speaker 1: the peak of your grappling powers, would you have ever

2481
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:10,560
Speaker 1: done MMA?

2482
01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:15,000
Speaker 4: I still love MMA, you know. And then I fell

2483
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:17,960
Speaker 4: in love with the sports since the beginning. Wasn't just

2484
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:20,920
Speaker 4: because the money, but I fell in love like being

2485
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:23,560
Speaker 4: a white belt again, learnings to striking and learning how

2486
01:55:23,640 --> 01:55:27,440
Speaker 4: to how to position in wrestling kicking. So I fell

2487
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:31,920
Speaker 4: in love with that. But at my time, for sure

2488
01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:35,200
Speaker 4: it will be good jumping on the CJI tournament. I

2489
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:37,880
Speaker 4: love what Craig Jones is doing. I respect you guys

2490
01:55:37,960 --> 01:55:41,839
Speaker 4: want to see very much, but I love that competition,

2491
01:55:41,960 --> 01:55:43,960
Speaker 4: you know. I love that these guys never put money,

2492
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:46,360
Speaker 4: they never raised the money, to be honest, you know,

2493
01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:48,920
Speaker 4: it's always the same price for the champions for the

2494
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:52,360
Speaker 4: last fifteen to twenty year. It's kind of like a

2495
01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:55,840
Speaker 4: little but different with the UFC bonus, you know, be

2496
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:59,080
Speaker 4: fifty grants for years for years, you know it's time

2497
01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:01,680
Speaker 4: to put on a hunt a grand like maybe more

2498
01:56:01,720 --> 01:56:02,560
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty.

2499
01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:03,680
Speaker 8: Uh.

2500
01:56:04,440 --> 01:56:06,360
Speaker 4: And he's the kind of like Tim humid Agency and

2501
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:07,840
Speaker 4: that level Craig Jones are doing.

2502
01:56:08,440 --> 01:56:08,600
Speaker 2: Uh.

2503
01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:12,560
Speaker 4: I was the one to talk to Muslim mass So, Mike,

2504
01:56:12,640 --> 01:56:15,080
Speaker 4: you go fight c J I do a super fight.

2505
01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:17,280
Speaker 4: I think he's doing the super fire. They might say

2506
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:19,440
Speaker 4: the appointed very soon as the very famous and the

2507
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:25,760
Speaker 4: may fighter, but I was the guy like Wagner Russia

2508
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:28,800
Speaker 4: Wagon is still gonna do agency. And understand why because

2509
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:31,840
Speaker 4: he's two kids, you know, his kid, he sending his

2510
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:34,400
Speaker 4: daughter eventually going to be on the agency. He don't

2511
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:37,800
Speaker 4: want to kind of close that door. But I told

2512
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:39,400
Speaker 4: him you should go c J I, bro.

2513
01:56:39,560 --> 01:56:40,520
Speaker 2: But I like it.

2514
01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:43,360
Speaker 4: I like that that it's kind of like he's a

2515
01:56:43,400 --> 01:56:46,480
Speaker 4: little bit messed up if you be years working to

2516
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:49,800
Speaker 4: get on the AGENCYC because he's kind of divided a

2517
01:56:49,880 --> 01:56:51,240
Speaker 4: little bit. You know, you got to rule to all

2518
01:56:51,240 --> 01:56:54,600
Speaker 4: those brothers doing the c J I Kadi is the

2519
01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:59,280
Speaker 4: is the main current ADCC champion and he's not going

2520
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:02,200
Speaker 4: to be there. So whoever wins on the seventy seven division,

2521
01:57:02,360 --> 01:57:05,120
Speaker 4: on the one to seventy division, he's not going to

2522
01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:07,480
Speaker 4: be considered the champion because the champion is not there,

2523
01:57:07,560 --> 01:57:10,480
Speaker 4: so he's not gonna for sure, it still gonna be

2524
01:57:10,760 --> 01:57:14,800
Speaker 4: a great event agency C But whoever wins the adc

2525
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:19,720
Speaker 4: C from the graphic community won't in the year that

2526
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:22,720
Speaker 4: wasn't everyone in there, you know. And then let's see

2527
01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:25,880
Speaker 4: who is c JI because ifs then CJI is going

2528
01:57:25,960 --> 01:57:29,960
Speaker 4: to be legit. If the tai wings, they're gonna be

2529
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:33,440
Speaker 4: very legit depends who wings on both. Then we see

2530
01:57:33,440 --> 01:57:35,880
Speaker 4: how the credit goes after. But I love what Greig

2531
01:57:35,960 --> 01:57:36,760
Speaker 4: Jones are doing.

2532
01:57:37,480 --> 01:57:41,600
Speaker 1: All right, last one for me here, Gilbert. I saw

2533
01:57:41,680 --> 01:57:44,600
Speaker 1: that over the weekend Pantojia and moy Kano got a

2534
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:47,520
Speaker 1: chance to meet with Vnicius Junior. Did you get a

2535
01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:49,800
Speaker 1: chance to meet Vnicius Junior over the weekend?

2536
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:51,280
Speaker 4: Almost?

2537
01:57:51,400 --> 01:57:54,760
Speaker 3: I was, I had.

2538
01:57:55,040 --> 01:58:00,400
Speaker 4: I had so much appearances like be out on that

2539
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:02,080
Speaker 4: was the time of total.

2540
01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:03,600
Speaker 5: I had.

2541
01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:08,520
Speaker 4: I think three or four appeals on Friday and then

2542
01:58:08,760 --> 01:58:11,240
Speaker 4: was only three on Sunday. But it was a lot,

2543
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:15,120
Speaker 4: and uh, I could go, but I had to cancel

2544
01:58:15,160 --> 01:58:17,360
Speaker 4: all that. But already I had a couple of partners

2545
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:18,840
Speaker 4: that I said that I was going to be there,

2546
01:58:18,920 --> 01:58:20,840
Speaker 4: so I had to be honest with my word. But

2547
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:22,840
Speaker 4: the great thing was my son went there. You know

2548
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:26,040
Speaker 4: my son. My page on my oldest son was Deviantaria.

2549
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:28,960
Speaker 4: He had a great time. Unfortunately, couldn't go. But that

2550
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:30,880
Speaker 4: was the time that I worked the most in the UFC.

2551
01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:33,440
Speaker 4: I'm getting paid. They getting me compensated for that. Even

2552
01:58:33,560 --> 01:58:35,640
Speaker 4: Sunday I had three appearances and that was a lot

2553
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:41,080
Speaker 4: and a freaking shot. Is strictly the guy crazy. This

2554
01:58:41,280 --> 01:58:44,400
Speaker 4: guy left on the middle of his appearance. He said,

2555
01:58:44,440 --> 01:58:46,800
Speaker 4: I'm done, I'm tired, I'm left. So he just left

2556
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:51,160
Speaker 4: and he had people there waiting for him a lot

2557
01:58:51,480 --> 01:58:55,720
Speaker 4: and then the UFC called me, you want to I know,

2558
01:58:56,640 --> 01:58:59,440
Speaker 4: we needed we need a guy to to to show

2559
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:02,200
Speaker 4: up for the fight here. You want to come, You're

2560
01:59:02,200 --> 01:59:04,280
Speaker 4: gonna get your pay and everything. So I show up

2561
01:59:04,480 --> 01:59:08,120
Speaker 4: and I finish it. He appearances. The guy was crazy,

2562
01:59:08,240 --> 01:59:11,280
Speaker 4: But yeah, that time I worked a lot of unfortunately,

2563
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:12,400
Speaker 4: see Jenny Jr.

2564
01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:16,080
Speaker 1: All right, is theymar right that Vinnie is the ugliest

2565
01:59:16,120 --> 01:59:16,880
Speaker 1: player in the world.

2566
01:59:17,080 --> 01:59:17,600
Speaker 2: Is that true?

2567
01:59:19,440 --> 01:59:25,160
Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah, he's so ugly and so my guy, my guy,

2568
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:35,960
Speaker 4: how Roses he's the ugly one in the U. My

2569
01:59:36,240 --> 01:59:38,880
Speaker 4: he's my guy. I love the guy. He's a character,

2570
01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:40,760
Speaker 4: but he's ugly boy, very ugly.

2571
01:59:41,200 --> 01:59:41,480
Speaker 10: Wow.

2572
01:59:41,680 --> 01:59:44,800
Speaker 1: All right, Gilbert, Well you're not Gilbert, and we can't

2573
01:59:44,840 --> 01:59:47,840
Speaker 1: wait to see your fight. It'll be September Gilbert Burns

2574
01:59:47,880 --> 01:59:50,600
Speaker 1: in the main event Sean Brady. Five rounds for all.

2575
01:59:50,640 --> 01:59:52,680
Speaker 1: A lot of the marbles anyway, certainly at one hundred

2576
01:59:52,720 --> 01:59:53,360
Speaker 1: and seventy pounds.

2577
01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:53,720
Speaker 2: Gilbert.

2578
01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:55,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate you making some time. I know you've got

2579
01:59:55,880 --> 01:59:57,680
Speaker 1: a very busy schedule. Thank you so much.

2580
01:59:57,720 --> 01:59:57,840
Speaker 2: Man.

2581
01:59:57,880 --> 01:59:59,040
Speaker 1: We always like catching up with.

2582
01:59:59,080 --> 02:00:01,880
Speaker 4: You and you guys appreciate you. Guys. Will have me

2583
02:00:02,200 --> 02:00:04,600
Speaker 4: make sure September seven. That's cool.

2584
02:00:05,120 --> 02:00:08,680
Speaker 1: There he is. That's by the way, you didn't see this,

2585
02:00:08,920 --> 02:00:10,840
Speaker 1: So Neymar who you've heard of? Neymar?

2586
02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:12,160
Speaker 2: Yes, Nymar Junior.

2587
02:00:13,360 --> 02:00:19,560
Speaker 1: He had done some Brazilian podcast and someone asked him, like,

2588
02:00:19,600 --> 02:00:21,760
Speaker 1: who's the ugliest player, and he was like, bro, it's

2589
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:25,440
Speaker 1: gotta be Vinny. Vinnie is just as looking human. So

2590
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:27,680
Speaker 1: I brought that up for that reason.

2591
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:28,280
Speaker 4: There you go.

2592
02:00:28,440 --> 02:00:31,360
Speaker 2: You soccer fans here love that stuff. Wow. All right,

2593
02:00:31,840 --> 02:00:34,640
Speaker 2: that's great. Hey, good for Gilbert showing up. I appreciate that, gentleman.

2594
02:00:34,760 --> 02:00:39,200
Speaker 1: Professional. He's a professional, that's what he does, very professionals,

2595
02:00:39,200 --> 02:00:39,680
Speaker 1: a professional.

2596
02:00:39,720 --> 02:00:41,600
Speaker 2: I hope he joins Johanna in that Hall of Fame

2597
02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:42,000
Speaker 2: one day.

2598
02:00:42,000 --> 02:00:44,280
Speaker 1: All right, he had missed it, he would have apologized

2599
02:00:44,280 --> 02:00:46,080
Speaker 1: to me, because that's what a professional does.

2600
02:00:48,480 --> 02:00:51,080
Speaker 2: Maybe like John Jones, she just didn't care. Look, she

2601
02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:52,840
Speaker 2: just you know, she just yeah, of course she didn't.

2602
02:00:53,720 --> 02:00:54,640
Speaker 2: Just another person.

2603
02:00:54,680 --> 02:00:55,640
Speaker 1: I steal to.

2604
02:00:55,680 --> 02:00:57,400
Speaker 2: Close up Luke on our topics before we see some

2605
02:00:57,480 --> 02:00:59,560
Speaker 2: ship on the way out here. I wanted to put

2606
02:00:59,560 --> 02:01:02,120
Speaker 2: the bow on heo femo. I do have questions if

2607
02:01:02,120 --> 02:01:05,000
Speaker 2: his power has carried at one But the reason why

2608
02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:07,280
Speaker 2: I think that's an interesting point to bring up is

2609
02:01:07,360 --> 02:01:10,280
Speaker 2: he's now talking about the one forty cut starting to

2610
02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:12,720
Speaker 2: be too much. He could see himself moving up to

2611
02:01:12,760 --> 02:01:16,120
Speaker 2: welterweight sooner than later. And he reiterates that you can

2612
02:01:16,160 --> 02:01:19,560
Speaker 2: talk about Tank and Chakor and everyone else. He wants

2613
02:01:19,640 --> 02:01:23,440
Speaker 2: Crawford at one fifty four, Louke, he would almost have

2614
02:01:23,600 --> 02:01:27,520
Speaker 2: to be an elusive quick boxer and counterpuncher, which is

2615
02:01:27,560 --> 02:01:29,840
Speaker 2: what he is. But in those higher weight classes, if

2616
02:01:29,880 --> 02:01:33,640
Speaker 2: his power has questions at one forty, how will this work?

2617
02:01:33,720 --> 02:01:34,280
Speaker 2: Will this work?

2618
02:01:34,320 --> 02:01:35,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know if it will work.

2619
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:38,280
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's really real that his power doesn't

2620
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:42,680
Speaker 1: move because his power is part of his style, like

2621
02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:45,320
Speaker 1: beating Komi the way he did, for example, is because

2622
02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:46,760
Speaker 1: he had power he.

2623
02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:49,240
Speaker 2: Had, I mean he had power lightweight where they would

2624
02:01:49,320 --> 02:01:50,800
Speaker 2: hit his fist and bounce.

2625
02:01:50,520 --> 02:01:52,240
Speaker 1: Like they'd just go the other direction. If it doesn't

2626
02:01:52,280 --> 02:01:54,080
Speaker 1: work that way at one forty. It doesn't mean he

2627
02:01:54,160 --> 02:01:56,240
Speaker 1: can't win big fights, but it definitely makes him a

2628
02:01:56,360 --> 02:01:58,640
Speaker 1: lot harder, and so therefore it makes you just much

2629
02:01:58,680 --> 02:02:00,600
Speaker 1: more questioning what's really possible here.

2630
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:03,000
Speaker 2: Interesting thing I want to reference here that is loosely

2631
02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:05,960
Speaker 2: tied to Tayo. Did you see Nico Ali Walsh, the

2632
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:09,280
Speaker 2: grandson of the Greatest, rematched on Saturday In the opener

2633
02:02:09,320 --> 02:02:12,200
Speaker 2: on top right, his shoulder got dislocated, so he rematched

2634
02:02:12,240 --> 02:02:14,200
Speaker 2: the only loss of his pro career, which was a

2635
02:02:14,280 --> 02:02:17,160
Speaker 2: disputed decision. He dominated this guy who was just a

2636
02:02:17,240 --> 02:02:19,800
Speaker 2: brawler for most of the fight. Then he was jumped

2637
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:21,720
Speaker 2: up and down and popped his shoulder out like you're saying,

2638
02:02:22,120 --> 02:02:24,160
Speaker 2: and then he was stood a war over the final

2639
02:02:24,200 --> 02:02:27,480
Speaker 2: couple rounds. But did you see who he called out afterwards?

2640
02:02:27,880 --> 02:02:28,680
Speaker 2: This was interesting?

2641
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:31,760
Speaker 8: Tia Fima Lopez said in an interview a few weeks

2642
02:02:31,760 --> 02:02:35,200
Speaker 8: ago before this fight, he said he disrespected my family,

2643
02:02:35,320 --> 02:02:38,560
Speaker 8: saying that I'm only in boxing because I'm desperate from

2644
02:02:38,600 --> 02:02:40,880
Speaker 8: money and fame, and I thought that was real wrong

2645
02:02:41,280 --> 02:02:43,120
Speaker 8: for someone that I used to look up to to say,

2646
02:02:43,560 --> 02:02:45,880
Speaker 8: but you know, it is what it is. I just

2647
02:02:45,920 --> 02:02:48,080
Speaker 8: want to let everyone know that I chose the bath

2648
02:02:48,160 --> 02:02:50,760
Speaker 8: of boxing. I chose the bath of legacy. If I

2649
02:02:50,800 --> 02:02:53,600
Speaker 8: wanted to, I could be a millionaire right now. Before

2650
02:02:53,680 --> 02:02:57,080
Speaker 8: this fight, I denied a multimillion dollar contract from MVP

2651
02:02:57,240 --> 02:02:58,280
Speaker 8: Promotions to.

2652
02:02:58,320 --> 02:02:59,160
Speaker 2: Fight Jake Paul.

2653
02:02:59,760 --> 02:03:02,840
Speaker 8: And I'm fighting a real fighter tonight, so I'm not

2654
02:03:02,920 --> 02:03:05,120
Speaker 8: a part of that circus League of Boxing, just the

2655
02:03:05,200 --> 02:03:06,000
Speaker 8: real league of boxing.

2656
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:08,760
Speaker 2: This rama dude. So that was a big reveal. He

2657
02:03:09,080 --> 02:03:12,000
Speaker 2: was targeted in the spot that Mike Perry ultimately took

2658
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:14,760
Speaker 2: replacing Mike Tyson against Jake Paul, but he turned it

2659
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:17,080
Speaker 2: down to stay the real route. Now he's calling out

2660
02:03:17,120 --> 02:03:19,640
Speaker 2: Tayo for those comments. If Tayo wants to start going

2661
02:03:19,680 --> 02:03:22,520
Speaker 2: up to forty seven and fifty, could Tao meet all

2662
02:03:22,600 --> 02:03:26,840
Speaker 2: least grandkid at sixty? Would be? Okay? O're okay?

2663
02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:28,800
Speaker 1: There By the way, I'm not sure it was a

2664
02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:30,160
Speaker 1: smart idea not to take that money.

2665
02:03:30,280 --> 02:03:32,160
Speaker 2: That's what I'm starting to wonder that too. I wonder

2666
02:03:32,200 --> 02:03:32,880
Speaker 2: if that could have been.

2667
02:03:33,320 --> 02:03:34,800
Speaker 1: You know what I was talking to this about my wife,

2668
02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:37,640
Speaker 1: like the like MMA. In general, this is true for

2669
02:03:37,720 --> 02:03:40,440
Speaker 1: a PFL, it's true for one, it's true for UFC.

2670
02:03:41,160 --> 02:03:45,480
Speaker 1: It's just inherently exploitative. It's extremely exploitative. B See, we

2671
02:03:45,600 --> 02:03:48,720
Speaker 1: have covered enough Jake Paul fights to know this. I've

2672
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:52,560
Speaker 1: never interviewed a Jake Paul opponent who was unhappy to

2673
02:03:52,640 --> 02:03:56,520
Speaker 1: be there, good point. Never once, Yeah, not never happened.

2674
02:03:56,680 --> 02:04:00,520
Speaker 1: They are delighted to get those fights. Of course, a

2675
02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:02,160
Speaker 1: lot of times it's because they're older and this is

2676
02:04:02,200 --> 02:04:04,080
Speaker 1: the last payday. But Mike Perry is.

2677
02:04:04,120 --> 02:04:06,560
Speaker 2: Not Olderon Jr. Didn't seem to want it.

2678
02:04:06,840 --> 02:04:09,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if he wants anything really general, and

2679
02:04:09,320 --> 02:04:11,920
Speaker 1: one he wanted the bridgerweight title. I was like, fuck

2680
02:04:11,960 --> 02:04:13,880
Speaker 1: it out of my face. But but look at Mike

2681
02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:15,920
Speaker 1: Perry's thirty two. He has plenty of fights left. He

2682
02:04:16,600 --> 02:04:19,000
Speaker 1: is excited to be there. Like there's a certain kind

2683
02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:21,960
Speaker 1: of people think that Jake Paul is exploiting these people,

2684
02:04:21,960 --> 02:04:23,920
Speaker 1: and of course he's getting something for it. But I

2685
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:26,520
Speaker 1: got to tell you, they're the happiest people to be exploited.

2686
02:04:26,560 --> 02:04:27,520
Speaker 1: I've seen in the fight game.

2687
02:04:27,560 --> 02:04:29,160
Speaker 2: It's kind of an easy to be es people to

2688
02:04:29,200 --> 02:04:34,720
Speaker 2: be exploited since Howard Stern's whack pack. That's beetlejuice indeed

2689
02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:36,040
Speaker 2: topic number five.

2690
02:04:36,120 --> 02:04:38,160
Speaker 1: Quickly, Luke, we should punt on this. We don't have time.

2691
02:04:38,200 --> 02:04:38,800
Speaker 2: Hold on quickly.

2692
02:04:38,920 --> 02:04:40,240
Speaker 1: Can't do this and have you seen the ship?

2693
02:04:40,440 --> 02:04:42,760
Speaker 2: We can do both. This will be quick boxing pay

2694
02:04:42,760 --> 02:04:45,240
Speaker 2: per view this weekend from fan Meo. Luke. It is

2695
02:04:45,560 --> 02:04:48,440
Speaker 2: Nate Diaz Last Man Standing versus Jorge Mosraital Part two.

2696
02:04:49,040 --> 02:04:52,320
Speaker 2: I will say when this was launched and announced, a

2697
02:04:52,400 --> 02:04:53,680
Speaker 2: lot of people had the well the why are we

2698
02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:56,680
Speaker 2: doing this in boxing? Would you say though, that the

2699
02:04:56,840 --> 02:04:59,200
Speaker 2: large amount of press conferences of which I've hosted all

2700
02:04:59,240 --> 02:05:02,080
Speaker 2: of them and will host to another this Wednesday in Anaheim.

2701
02:05:01,760 --> 02:05:03,680
Speaker 1: And Ideas doesn't like you have they?

2702
02:05:03,880 --> 02:05:05,920
Speaker 2: Like you know you had the pro lost time between

2703
02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:09,880
Speaker 2: the two teams and Jorge Capetillo. It's moving the date.

2704
02:05:10,080 --> 02:05:12,320
Speaker 2: Has it all like come together to actually make this

2705
02:05:12,480 --> 02:05:13,800
Speaker 2: like kind of musky on Saturday?

2706
02:05:13,960 --> 02:05:16,480
Speaker 1: Musty is absolutely in no way, shape or form what

2707
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:19,680
Speaker 1: this is. This is very much if you want to see, uh,

2708
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:21,840
Speaker 1: not mussy. There's nothing musty about it at all. But

2709
02:05:21,880 --> 02:05:24,960
Speaker 1: what I will say is moving the date. All the

2710
02:05:25,040 --> 02:05:28,440
Speaker 1: press conferences at least the more recent ones especially, and

2711
02:05:28,520 --> 02:05:31,880
Speaker 1: then getting that deal with fight Pass I definitely think

2712
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:34,280
Speaker 1: is going to help it a lot. That I certainly

2713
02:05:34,320 --> 02:05:34,960
Speaker 1: think is true.

2714
02:05:35,120 --> 02:05:35,400
Speaker 2: All Right.

2715
02:05:35,480 --> 02:05:37,360
Speaker 1: I really feel like people are going to pay much

2716
02:05:37,400 --> 02:05:39,440
Speaker 1: more attention to it now than they ever would have,

2717
02:05:40,120 --> 02:05:41,760
Speaker 1: and that is a victory in and of itself. But

2718
02:05:41,960 --> 02:05:43,360
Speaker 1: Musty get the fuck out of here with it?

2719
02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:49,560
Speaker 2: Okay? Who wins? Probably Jorge? He seems more motivated given

2720
02:05:49,640 --> 02:05:51,800
Speaker 2: that UFC is giving him a three fight window to

2721
02:05:51,840 --> 02:05:54,520
Speaker 2: do boxing outside of it with Round. I believe it's

2722
02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:57,520
Speaker 2: eight or ten, eight or ten, eight or ten the

2723
02:05:57,600 --> 02:05:58,320
Speaker 2: other one in the check.

2724
02:05:58,360 --> 02:05:59,280
Speaker 1: You're working it and you don't know.

2725
02:06:00,840 --> 02:06:02,800
Speaker 2: I'll find out before Wednesday's press conference.

2726
02:06:02,960 --> 02:06:04,920
Speaker 1: I'll say this. If it's eight, it's definitely Jorge, and

2727
02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:07,400
Speaker 1: even if it's ten, it's probably Jorge. But I don't know.

2728
02:06:07,640 --> 02:06:09,520
Speaker 2: I wonder if all this hull of Blue has vulcan

2729
02:06:09,600 --> 02:06:11,120
Speaker 2: Nate up. We don't have to play the videos again,

2730
02:06:11,160 --> 02:06:12,640
Speaker 2: off Nate sending me to hell on the press tour

2731
02:06:12,680 --> 02:06:15,400
Speaker 2: and walking off twice on two different dates. But there

2732
02:06:15,480 --> 02:06:18,960
Speaker 2: was a press call for like elite media members in

2733
02:06:19,040 --> 02:06:22,880
Speaker 2: the past week, and this was captured in Front Day.

2734
02:06:24,440 --> 02:06:28,400
Speaker 12: Especially what's that guy named the guy who was in

2735
02:06:28,480 --> 02:06:30,360
Speaker 12: the middle of talk and asked me a stupid questions

2736
02:06:31,360 --> 02:06:33,760
Speaker 12: Brian Campbell to so I need to hold him down

2737
02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:37,720
Speaker 12: a little bit, slap him around, ask him some questions.

2738
02:06:39,080 --> 02:06:39,720
Speaker 2: Who was thinking?

2739
02:06:40,320 --> 02:06:40,800
Speaker 1: What are you saying?

2740
02:06:41,120 --> 02:06:42,240
Speaker 6: What do you care about?

2741
02:06:45,200 --> 02:06:49,120
Speaker 12: Antagonizing a fight right here? You're half the problem now,

2742
02:06:49,160 --> 02:06:52,840
Speaker 12: I him just buying our situation. This is like thinking

2743
02:06:52,840 --> 02:06:54,800
Speaker 12: about of high school and the whole place. He's starting

2744
02:06:54,840 --> 02:06:56,680
Speaker 12: to fight. But me, I was a bigger man than

2745
02:06:56,720 --> 02:07:00,920
Speaker 12: I walked a boy, and that's why we're going to

2746
02:07:00,960 --> 02:07:01,200
Speaker 12: be there.

2747
02:07:01,240 --> 02:07:07,400
Speaker 2: July sids me. You're welcome, mag you know, and a

2748
02:07:07,480 --> 02:07:07,960
Speaker 2: fan meo.

2749
02:07:12,120 --> 02:07:15,000
Speaker 1: That's great. I gotta say I understand Nate Diaz completely.

2750
02:07:15,560 --> 02:07:17,640
Speaker 1: He finds you frustrating and antagonistic.

2751
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:21,080
Speaker 2: Well that's actually, in this case my job right by

2752
02:07:21,200 --> 02:07:21,760
Speaker 2: actually in this.

2753
02:07:22,520 --> 02:07:25,160
Speaker 1: They were not selling the fight at all at these pressers,

2754
02:07:25,240 --> 02:07:27,640
Speaker 1: and you were basically like, well, fuck it, someone's got

2755
02:07:27,760 --> 02:07:28,320
Speaker 1: to make them do it.

2756
02:07:28,440 --> 02:07:31,160
Speaker 2: So ten rounds long Island Lucas saying, so ten rounds

2757
02:07:31,320 --> 02:07:33,640
Speaker 2: light heavy, no cruiser' waight about ten rounds no light

2758
02:07:33,720 --> 02:07:37,760
Speaker 2: heavyweight out pay per view fan meo this Saturday. You

2759
02:07:37,800 --> 02:07:39,280
Speaker 2: can buy it on UFC Fight Pass. If you buy

2760
02:07:39,280 --> 02:07:41,040
Speaker 2: it on the fan Meo website, believe you get the

2761
02:07:41,160 --> 02:07:45,400
Speaker 2: T shirt as well. Watch the watch the press cover

2762
02:07:45,480 --> 02:07:46,680
Speaker 2: to Wednesday. You never know what's gonna happen.

2763
02:07:46,960 --> 02:07:47,760
Speaker 1: Are you hosting that one?

2764
02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:50,120
Speaker 2: I might get sent to hell. You're going to get

2765
02:07:50,160 --> 02:07:53,240
Speaker 2: sent to major hell. Big names on this broadcast. I

2766
02:07:53,240 --> 02:07:55,000
Speaker 2: don't know when they're launching that, but big names in

2767
02:07:55,080 --> 02:07:57,680
Speaker 2: boxing and MMA joining me as an announcer on this.

2768
02:07:57,920 --> 02:07:59,520
Speaker 2: I know I saw some of the names.

2769
02:07:59,560 --> 02:08:01,680
Speaker 1: You showed them to me. I don't know how they're going.

2770
02:08:01,760 --> 02:08:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean this show. I'll say this, the show looks expensive.

2771
02:08:05,640 --> 02:08:06,480
Speaker 1: It looks expensive.

2772
02:08:06,920 --> 02:08:07,760
Speaker 2: Fan mails going for it.

2773
02:08:07,800 --> 02:08:10,120
Speaker 1: They're going for it. And again on fight Pass two

2774
02:08:10,160 --> 02:08:11,080
Speaker 1: for and also.

2775
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:13,560
Speaker 2: Check out the two part Last Man Standing like pre

2776
02:08:13,680 --> 02:08:16,120
Speaker 2: fight documentary thing on YouTube. Check it out. It's I

2777
02:08:16,160 --> 02:08:18,640
Speaker 2: think it's very well done. That goes down this Saturday. Luke,

2778
02:08:18,680 --> 02:08:22,440
Speaker 2: We're going to close with some shit. I scoured the

2779
02:08:22,440 --> 02:08:25,400
Speaker 2: globe yesterday, good, the bad, the ugly, all that, and

2780
02:08:25,440 --> 02:08:28,200
Speaker 2: then some tall, pale and weird to boy BC shit.

2781
02:08:28,320 --> 02:08:38,840
Speaker 2: Check it out. I hope you saw it. There we go, Luke.

2782
02:08:38,880 --> 02:08:41,120
Speaker 2: Are you ready? I brought it? Are you ready? Let's

2783
02:08:41,200 --> 02:08:43,920
Speaker 2: do it. Karate Combat from Orlando gave us a lot

2784
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:49,120
Speaker 2: of insane highlights, none bigger than Raphael Alvis. Is that

2785
02:08:49,240 --> 02:08:52,160
Speaker 2: a scissor kick on James Vick or was a switch kick?

2786
02:08:52,280 --> 02:08:53,440
Speaker 1: It's a jumping switch kick.

2787
02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:56,360
Speaker 2: A jumping switch kick on James kick Vic and sent

2788
02:08:56,480 --> 02:08:59,720
Speaker 2: him beyond the shadow realm Luke, Wow.

2789
02:09:00,240 --> 02:09:03,640
Speaker 1: Dude, James Vick has suffered some of the worst knockouts

2790
02:09:03,720 --> 02:09:05,760
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Also, I don't know what kind of

2791
02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:08,080
Speaker 1: canvas they use, but did you notice his head doesn't bounce?

2792
02:09:08,440 --> 02:09:11,560
Speaker 2: We have an alternate view of this. Watch this, Luke.

2793
02:09:11,760 --> 02:09:13,000
Speaker 1: This is like disturbed.

2794
02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there's Mike, there are some people. Yeah, there

2795
02:09:18,120 --> 02:09:18,600
Speaker 2: are some people.

2796
02:09:18,720 --> 02:09:20,760
Speaker 1: Like when they get knocked out, their body falls in

2797
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:22,360
Speaker 1: a way that is like very highlight.

2798
02:09:23,000 --> 02:09:24,959
Speaker 2: He can't watch it, he can't watch it, said.

2799
02:09:24,920 --> 02:09:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is that. If I'm dude, by the way,

2800
02:09:27,960 --> 02:09:28,880
Speaker 1: James Vick should retire.

2801
02:09:29,280 --> 02:09:31,720
Speaker 2: You should stop. Yes, you're right, But whether it was boxing,

2802
02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:36,080
Speaker 2: whether it's he's been taking hard ls, Luke, tell me

2803
02:09:36,160 --> 02:09:40,280
Speaker 2: what happened with this huge post fight brawl that broke

2804
02:09:40,360 --> 02:09:44,560
Speaker 2: out between camp members of each team's corner and then

2805
02:09:44,640 --> 02:09:48,360
Speaker 2: the Karate Combat president needed to come in to put

2806
02:09:48,400 --> 02:09:50,240
Speaker 2: one of these guys to sleep to diffuse it.

2807
02:09:50,360 --> 02:09:52,560
Speaker 1: The head of goats Shed. He seems like a nice

2808
02:09:52,600 --> 02:09:54,640
Speaker 1: guy and I think he did what he could. But

2809
02:09:54,800 --> 02:09:56,680
Speaker 1: this is a uh, this is a bit of a

2810
02:09:56,720 --> 02:09:58,040
Speaker 1: shit show promotion, is it not.

2811
02:09:58,640 --> 02:10:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, But like it's on the part of their brains,

2812
02:10:00,800 --> 02:10:02,600
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Like they're purposely on the edge.

2813
02:10:02,680 --> 02:10:04,480
Speaker 2: Like the arena's weird and fun and there's like an

2814
02:10:04,520 --> 02:10:06,480
Speaker 2: alien vibe. But look at what happened right there.

2815
02:10:06,720 --> 02:10:09,000
Speaker 1: Balls and brains this guy's got with the fucking tank

2816
02:10:09,080 --> 02:10:12,320
Speaker 1: top and the flannel r the flowery shorts.

2817
02:10:12,360 --> 02:10:15,240
Speaker 2: I believe we have another view of if let's advance

2818
02:10:15,320 --> 02:10:17,880
Speaker 2: the slide here. Yeah, that was just wild. And there's

2819
02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:21,160
Speaker 2: the there's the the president choking out. There's there's Sam

2820
02:10:21,240 --> 02:10:23,960
Speaker 2: Alvey with the balls and brains tank that's Sam, Yeah,

2821
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:26,920
Speaker 2: that is he was a part of this too. Also, Luke,

2822
02:10:27,080 --> 02:10:29,200
Speaker 2: you know the journalist Ben the Bain Davis. Yes, you

2823
02:10:29,280 --> 02:10:29,720
Speaker 2: know this guy.

2824
02:10:29,800 --> 02:10:33,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call them a journalist. Broadcast, yeah, broadcaster.

2825
02:10:33,560 --> 02:10:36,520
Speaker 2: He had a karate combat fight. I like Ben too.

2826
02:10:36,560 --> 02:10:38,440
Speaker 2: He had a big call out afterwards. Let's listen in

2827
02:10:38,680 --> 02:10:39,240
Speaker 2: who do.

2828
02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:40,320
Speaker 1: You want to fight next.

2829
02:10:41,320 --> 02:10:43,160
Speaker 11: UFC three or three's tomorrow night.

2830
02:10:43,240 --> 02:10:44,720
Speaker 1: Alex Padea depends a.

2831
02:10:44,760 --> 02:10:47,280
Speaker 11: Light heavyweight throwing against Herri pro Hosker for a second time.

2832
02:10:47,680 --> 02:10:49,200
Speaker 11: We got some good well to weight action on that

2833
02:10:49,320 --> 02:10:53,000
Speaker 11: card and Gary MVP. But there's one UFC well to

2834
02:10:53,120 --> 02:10:56,680
Speaker 11: wait that is wasting his time in the top fifteen.

2835
02:10:56,840 --> 02:10:59,720
Speaker 11: In fact, he hasn't been anyone that's currently on the

2836
02:10:59,800 --> 02:11:01,360
Speaker 11: rock from the last six years.

2837
02:11:01,880 --> 02:11:02,880
Speaker 1: Kobe Covington.

2838
02:11:05,840 --> 02:11:13,560
Speaker 2: Covington bitch all right. A couple of things here. We

2839
02:11:13,600 --> 02:11:15,600
Speaker 2: didn't run highlights, but he got the win, so shout

2840
02:11:15,640 --> 02:11:18,360
Speaker 2: out to him for doing this. He didn't do ab

2841
02:11:18,400 --> 02:11:21,040
Speaker 2: work ahead of this though, Does that become a plus?

2842
02:11:21,200 --> 02:11:23,520
Speaker 1: Or You can do ab work, but if you don't

2843
02:11:23,560 --> 02:11:25,760
Speaker 1: lose enough weight, people can't see the app that's true,

2844
02:11:25,800 --> 02:11:26,720
Speaker 1: So that's not quite true.

2845
02:11:26,840 --> 02:11:29,240
Speaker 2: He had an Anthony Smith Roman Deleeds a build.

2846
02:11:29,040 --> 02:11:30,280
Speaker 1: For this fight. Yeah, I don't know if he took

2847
02:11:30,280 --> 02:11:31,120
Speaker 1: it on short notice or not.

2848
02:11:31,240 --> 02:11:33,960
Speaker 2: But not the win though. So he's a little bit crazy, right.

2849
02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:36,880
Speaker 1: My man is out there doing something unique. He'll both

2850
02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:38,640
Speaker 1: call the fights and then just get in there.

2851
02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:40,080
Speaker 2: And do it. Do you think Kolbey will take him

2852
02:11:40,160 --> 02:11:43,520
Speaker 2: up on the software unlikely under the banner. Okay, Luke,

2853
02:11:44,000 --> 02:11:48,960
Speaker 2: chewee Wee's is everywhere. Let's go to power slap everybody.

2854
02:11:49,360 --> 02:11:55,840
Speaker 2: God bless you, good nye. Luke, you can't avoid it.

2855
02:11:56,040 --> 02:12:04,760
Speaker 2: It's on T shirts. In fact, let's hear rosas. Yeah, sorry,

2856
02:12:08,600 --> 02:12:10,400
Speaker 2: would you wear that shirt? What would it take for

2857
02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:12,240
Speaker 2: you to wear that shirt on this show?

2858
02:12:12,920 --> 02:12:15,240
Speaker 1: I'd rather get fucked to death by an eight vict Walrus.

2859
02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:17,160
Speaker 2: I need to do a bet with you in which,

2860
02:12:17,280 --> 02:12:19,480
Speaker 2: when you lose, you have to wear that shirt for

2861
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:21,640
Speaker 2: a whole show. Okay, double XL here we go. I'm

2862
02:12:21,640 --> 02:12:24,120
Speaker 2: gonna buy it for you. Also, Luke, check out this

2863
02:12:24,320 --> 02:12:25,800
Speaker 2: child the blue use bonus clip.

2864
02:12:29,200 --> 02:12:31,400
Speaker 1: Oh asshole, keep your feet on the ped Oh.

2865
02:12:31,520 --> 02:12:33,240
Speaker 2: We didn't have the audio, so the end of the

2866
02:12:33,280 --> 02:12:36,400
Speaker 2: audio somebody else cheeweewie's after this. So there you go.

2867
02:12:36,760 --> 02:12:39,440
Speaker 2: I guess that's what it means. They asked to pot

2868
02:12:39,560 --> 02:12:42,520
Speaker 2: On what Chamas means. He said, it means everything.

2869
02:12:42,760 --> 02:12:44,520
Speaker 1: It's kind of like hang loose or something.

2870
02:12:44,680 --> 02:12:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever, All right, let's go to UFC three ZHO three. Luke,

2871
02:12:47,240 --> 02:12:49,480
Speaker 2: did you see how chill Team Poton was like a

2872
02:12:49,520 --> 02:12:52,120
Speaker 2: half hour before the main event. Man just line dancing

2873
02:12:52,200 --> 02:12:53,160
Speaker 2: on here. He doesn't.

2874
02:12:53,360 --> 02:12:56,240
Speaker 1: He's not successful by accident. This guy is just not

2875
02:12:56,480 --> 02:12:57,200
Speaker 1: moved by much.

2876
02:12:57,480 --> 02:13:01,240
Speaker 2: The bromance which rhythm him and Glover is better than

2877
02:13:01,280 --> 02:13:03,800
Speaker 2: our marriage. It is the best thing going in male

2878
02:13:04,080 --> 02:13:05,600
Speaker 2: men on men love. It's the best thing out.

2879
02:13:05,640 --> 02:13:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty great.

2880
02:13:06,640 --> 02:13:09,760
Speaker 2: You know it's great. All right, let's go over to

2881
02:13:10,480 --> 02:13:14,000
Speaker 2: Shack majority friend of the program. Here's a question interesting

2882
02:13:14,080 --> 02:13:15,960
Speaker 2: he won he had for Dana first.

2883
02:13:16,040 --> 02:13:19,000
Speaker 10: It was recently announced that for Noche UFC, the UFC

2884
02:13:19,120 --> 02:13:22,040
Speaker 10: will have its first title partner, Riot Season. What were

2885
02:13:22,120 --> 02:13:24,480
Speaker 10: some of the factors that compelled the UFC to do this.

2886
02:13:26,680 --> 02:13:29,360
Speaker 7: I spent seventeen million dollars on production. It's not even

2887
02:13:29,360 --> 02:13:30,040
Speaker 7: September yet.

2888
02:13:32,600 --> 02:13:34,320
Speaker 2: Oh but just one more on that note.

2889
02:13:34,440 --> 02:13:37,600
Speaker 10: I know it's something you've traditionally been very much against,

2890
02:13:37,680 --> 02:13:40,600
Speaker 10: but is what, if anything, could Riad Season do to

2891
02:13:40,680 --> 02:13:44,080
Speaker 10: compel you to cross promote. Obviously, there's that Francis Sengano

2892
02:13:44,200 --> 02:13:46,840
Speaker 10: fight that you'd think is not going to happen, But

2893
02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:48,960
Speaker 10: is there anything Riod could do to maybe twist your

2894
02:13:49,040 --> 02:13:49,400
Speaker 10: arm on that?

2895
02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:50,040
Speaker 2: Well?

2896
02:13:51,120 --> 02:13:54,840
Speaker 7: I actually respect Shake Turkey. He's a nice guy and

2897
02:13:55,800 --> 02:13:58,880
Speaker 7: we have actually formed a relationship over the last couple

2898
02:13:58,960 --> 02:14:04,680
Speaker 7: of months. I respect what he's done with boxing, how

2899
02:14:04,720 --> 02:14:06,360
Speaker 7: he's this is the only guy that could ever pull

2900
02:14:06,440 --> 02:14:07,760
Speaker 7: this off and making these big fights.

2901
02:14:07,800 --> 02:14:08,520
Speaker 2: And the fight was good.

2902
02:14:08,760 --> 02:14:11,040
Speaker 7: It was a good, entertaining fight. You didn't have guys

2903
02:14:11,800 --> 02:14:13,560
Speaker 7: that went in there and tried to avoid a fight

2904
02:14:14,440 --> 02:14:16,480
Speaker 7: so they could try to hopefully get to the next

2905
02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:17,160
Speaker 7: big payday.

2906
02:14:17,560 --> 02:14:18,000
Speaker 1: I think that.

2907
02:14:20,120 --> 02:14:21,880
Speaker 7: What this guy's done in a short amount of time

2908
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:25,280
Speaker 7: is pretty incredible. So we're obviously talking about lots of

2909
02:14:25,360 --> 02:14:26,600
Speaker 7: different options with it.

2910
02:14:26,960 --> 02:14:30,360
Speaker 2: Luke, it kind of sounded like he wasn't fully against

2911
02:14:30,440 --> 02:14:32,520
Speaker 2: the idea of co promoting and bringing in and gone

2912
02:14:32,520 --> 02:14:33,280
Speaker 2: to to fight Jones.

2913
02:14:33,360 --> 02:14:35,360
Speaker 1: Right, shake Turkey is what I do when I pull

2914
02:14:35,440 --> 02:14:36,960
Speaker 1: it out of the thing before I put it on

2915
02:14:37,080 --> 02:14:37,800
Speaker 1: the sandwich.

2916
02:14:37,960 --> 02:14:39,680
Speaker 2: I would have done this with that. That would have

2917
02:14:39,680 --> 02:14:43,160
Speaker 2: been racist, right, Yes, a little much. But seriously though,

2918
02:14:43,320 --> 02:14:45,360
Speaker 2: did it make it seem like the door was open

2919
02:14:45,560 --> 02:14:45,920
Speaker 2: a little?

2920
02:14:46,760 --> 02:14:49,080
Speaker 1: Like basically like, Hey, she didn't comment on it, so

2921
02:14:49,160 --> 02:14:51,400
Speaker 1: it's hard to know. But I'll say this people, because

2922
02:14:51,400 --> 02:14:54,520
Speaker 1: I don't really know what. I don't know what Turkey

2923
02:14:54,560 --> 02:14:57,680
Speaker 1: Ella she can do in MMA as long as UFC

2924
02:14:57,840 --> 02:15:00,200
Speaker 1: just retains ultimate control. Sure, but if they can get

2925
02:15:00,240 --> 02:15:01,960
Speaker 1: him to fucking co promote.

2926
02:15:02,040 --> 02:15:04,800
Speaker 2: If they can get him to basically say, like, forget

2927
02:15:04,840 --> 02:15:06,960
Speaker 2: what we're paying the fighters, here's what we're paying you

2928
02:15:07,280 --> 02:15:08,760
Speaker 2: to put on this event a UFC.

2929
02:15:09,240 --> 02:15:11,600
Speaker 1: If he if he can pull off co promotion with

2930
02:15:11,680 --> 02:15:14,440
Speaker 1: the UFC, I will. I don't think i'll. Be honest,

2931
02:15:14,440 --> 02:15:16,680
Speaker 1: I don't think he can. But if he can do it,

2932
02:15:16,960 --> 02:15:18,800
Speaker 1: holy shit, that would be amazing.

2933
02:15:18,920 --> 02:15:20,560
Speaker 2: The dummy couldn't do that, you know what I mean?

2934
02:15:20,600 --> 02:15:22,120
Speaker 1: You know it's funny. Do you remember when Scott Coker

2935
02:15:22,160 --> 02:15:23,920
Speaker 1: took a shit on the dummy? Yes, like here when

2936
02:15:23,960 --> 02:15:25,600
Speaker 1: we did the pandemic shows. That was amazing.

2937
02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:27,880
Speaker 2: All right, proof Smuffer's jackets were out of control. This

2938
02:15:27,960 --> 02:15:29,880
Speaker 2: one looks a lot like my paintings, doesn't it.

2939
02:15:30,520 --> 02:15:33,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is clearly horrendous, but he loves it.

2940
02:15:34,120 --> 02:15:36,560
Speaker 2: All right. To the winner go the spoils. Poeton's kao

2941
02:15:36,720 --> 02:15:41,280
Speaker 2: victory got him a yellow belt from Kayla Harrison and

2942
02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:44,200
Speaker 2: judo Yeah, oh okay, that's cool. Did you do any

2943
02:15:44,280 --> 02:15:45,400
Speaker 2: judo moves during this fight?

2944
02:15:45,560 --> 02:15:46,160
Speaker 10: He did? Uh?

2945
02:15:46,200 --> 02:15:47,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was like a Ucci mata

2946
02:15:47,960 --> 02:15:50,040
Speaker 1: or where was haragus? She did one of the of

2947
02:15:50,080 --> 02:15:53,240
Speaker 1: the basic judo throws that she had taught him. And

2948
02:15:53,320 --> 02:15:54,680
Speaker 1: so this is kind of like a running bit.

2949
02:15:55,000 --> 02:15:57,360
Speaker 2: Did you see that poleono Vianna and him broke up

2950
02:15:57,400 --> 02:15:59,120
Speaker 2: and then she wore that T shirt to the fights

2951
02:15:59,200 --> 02:16:00,680
Speaker 2: that said his favorite X.

2952
02:16:00,800 --> 02:16:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might as well just wear a shirt that

2953
02:16:02,120 --> 02:16:04,360
Speaker 1: says I'm not over him, because that's what it's screwing.

2954
02:16:04,400 --> 02:16:07,360
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to WW SmackDown. How about fifty

2955
02:16:07,440 --> 02:16:11,600
Speaker 2: eight year old Paul Hamon still willing to take huge

2956
02:16:11,680 --> 02:16:13,960
Speaker 2: bumps to tell the storyline. Luke, what do you think

2957
02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:18,920
Speaker 2: of this? I mean, that's just the that's carny for life.

2958
02:16:18,960 --> 02:16:20,040
Speaker 1: Are they about to have sex?

2959
02:16:20,280 --> 02:16:20,320
Speaker 10: No?

2960
02:16:20,600 --> 02:16:22,920
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it just looks very North South there

2961
02:16:23,000 --> 02:16:26,280
Speaker 2: you go. Wow, I mean that's not nothing, right, bro?

2962
02:16:26,400 --> 02:16:29,320
Speaker 1: Can you imagine how bad like having his crotch in

2963
02:16:29,360 --> 02:16:29,680
Speaker 1: your face?

2964
02:16:29,760 --> 02:16:34,440
Speaker 2: Most boy? You think he has shut down a Tokyo

2965
02:16:34,520 --> 02:16:35,959
Speaker 2: bathroom worse than Big Joe.

2966
02:16:36,080 --> 02:16:37,920
Speaker 1: It's like sebfour sweat from my balls.

2967
02:16:38,040 --> 02:16:40,440
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, I got a power slap left over

2968
02:16:40,520 --> 02:16:43,480
Speaker 2: for you. Here's Charlie Alnart describing how Paige van Zant

2969
02:16:43,520 --> 02:16:44,440
Speaker 2: trained for her debut.

2970
02:16:44,640 --> 02:16:47,520
Speaker 1: So, Austin Turpin has been helping to train and to

2971
02:16:47,760 --> 02:16:48,240
Speaker 1: guide her.

2972
02:16:48,680 --> 02:16:52,160
Speaker 2: On top of that, also, her husband has been getting involved.

2973
02:16:52,400 --> 02:16:53,360
Speaker 2: She says, what he's been.

2974
02:16:53,360 --> 02:16:56,120
Speaker 4: Doing is he's been whacking her literally as hard as

2975
02:16:56,160 --> 02:16:58,640
Speaker 4: he can in their backyard with pool noodles.

2976
02:16:58,879 --> 02:17:00,920
Speaker 11: So I guess that's a little bit of extra prep.

2977
02:17:00,720 --> 02:17:03,039
Speaker 2: If you will. But van Zan says she knows exactly

2978
02:17:03,120 --> 02:17:04,160
Speaker 2: what she brings to the table.

2979
02:17:04,200 --> 02:17:06,840
Speaker 1: In her words, I am a gangster. I am ready to.

2980
02:17:06,879 --> 02:17:09,200
Speaker 2: Take over and have it's just the dumbest show. So

2981
02:17:09,240 --> 02:17:12,320
Speaker 2: that gangster won. But noodles, this is the best thing.

2982
02:17:12,400 --> 02:17:12,880
Speaker 2: He kept saying.

2983
02:17:13,040 --> 02:17:14,440
Speaker 1: Did you see he said power Slap is gonna be

2984
02:17:14,440 --> 02:17:17,360
Speaker 1: bigger than the UFC, And it's like it's like, first

2985
02:17:17,360 --> 02:17:18,920
Speaker 1: of all, it won't be, but more than that, it's like,

2986
02:17:19,000 --> 02:17:21,440
Speaker 1: even if it was, it would be the fucking biggest

2987
02:17:21,520 --> 02:17:25,640
Speaker 1: indictment on planet Earth. About people's pallett for combat sports.

2988
02:17:25,720 --> 02:17:28,680
Speaker 2: Hey guess who got sent to hell? Chimaya by Robert Whittaker.

2989
02:17:29,760 --> 02:17:32,160
Speaker 13: I will say, like, so see you soon. It's like

2990
02:17:32,240 --> 02:17:35,119
Speaker 13: where you can't get into any country country?

2991
02:17:36,560 --> 02:17:41,879
Speaker 4: Are you gonna see me bro on the area?

2992
02:17:42,080 --> 02:17:47,000
Speaker 2: Right? It's so yeah, that's tricky to start with.

2993
02:17:47,160 --> 02:17:50,680
Speaker 13: But my I'm a middle white and I picked my

2994
02:17:50,800 --> 02:17:53,000
Speaker 13: foot if that's a fight in the UFC once it's

2995
02:17:53,040 --> 02:17:54,560
Speaker 13: still interested in making and.

2996
02:17:55,120 --> 02:17:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can't get into other nations. Luke Phillies and

2997
02:17:59,560 --> 02:18:02,600
Speaker 2: Mets Jin Lunny dykstress still out here making inappropriate comments

2998
02:18:02,600 --> 02:18:06,480
Speaker 2: in front of women. Definite, no doubt about it. A

2999
02:18:06,720 --> 02:18:12,080
Speaker 2: definite would Okay, he sounds sober now when he's saying definite.

3000
02:18:12,160 --> 02:18:15,160
Speaker 2: Would Is he saying w O O D the like

3001
02:18:15,320 --> 02:18:18,520
Speaker 2: his his rod or w o U L D these lady?

3002
02:18:18,959 --> 02:18:21,959
Speaker 1: Maybe he was talking about the Alison Chains song? Would

3003
02:18:22,400 --> 02:18:23,000
Speaker 1: question Mark?

3004
02:18:23,040 --> 02:18:25,840
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, let's go to the team again. Yeah, yeah,

3005
02:18:25,879 --> 02:18:29,200
Speaker 2: that's a great song. Luke, I I don't assume Tukes

3006
02:18:29,200 --> 02:18:30,880
Speaker 2: gets like this after she puts the ball in play.

3007
02:18:30,879 --> 02:18:32,520
Speaker 2: But somebody's got to teach this kids and manners, you

3008
02:18:32,560 --> 02:18:35,440
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's just something right these kids. Yeah,

3009
02:18:35,480 --> 02:18:37,760
Speaker 2: there you go. All right, let's get fun here, let's

3010
02:18:37,800 --> 02:18:40,520
Speaker 2: go to some let's go to the fail. We gotta fail.

3011
02:18:41,320 --> 02:18:41,680
Speaker 2: Watch this.

3012
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:44,840
Speaker 1: Oh, I see these idiots pop wheelies on that yeah highway.

3013
02:18:44,959 --> 02:18:46,920
Speaker 2: You gotta take turns, you gotta get wearing helmets.

3014
02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, suck a wow eat all the fucking ass of

3015
02:18:52,040 --> 02:18:54,360
Speaker 1: the world. Okay, fucking morons.

3016
02:18:54,680 --> 02:19:04,160
Speaker 2: U Hey, overheard at NBA games. Let's listen in here here. Shit, yeah,

3017
02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:07,680
Speaker 2: that kind of ruined the bit. Uh, the announcer said, Luke,

3018
02:19:08,040 --> 02:19:10,000
Speaker 2: Jordan Clarkson almost came in my lap.

3019
02:19:11,879 --> 02:19:12,960
Speaker 1: That's a lot there we go.

3020
02:19:13,280 --> 02:19:17,720
Speaker 2: Okay, hey, remember that time Chef Kaz showed up to

3021
02:19:17,800 --> 02:19:21,400
Speaker 2: our three Got Margarita show wearing nothing but light bulbs

3022
02:19:21,440 --> 02:19:23,440
Speaker 2: on his body. Luke, remember that time they were like

3023
02:19:23,600 --> 02:19:24,120
Speaker 2: vibrating it.

3024
02:19:24,200 --> 02:19:25,280
Speaker 1: He's definitely not weird.

3025
02:19:25,360 --> 02:19:29,000
Speaker 2: You know, Kaz needs to step up his bulb game. Hey,

3026
02:19:29,160 --> 02:19:32,119
Speaker 2: cas AJ's out here as being like, tell me how

3027
02:19:32,240 --> 02:19:34,240
Speaker 2: my ass tastes. Look at this?

3028
02:19:34,480 --> 02:19:36,640
Speaker 1: So you know what's amazing about this is I saw

3029
02:19:36,800 --> 02:19:39,840
Speaker 1: doctor Mike Isratel talking about it. Not only does cupping

3030
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:45,839
Speaker 1: not work, cupping proponents can't even offer what its physiological

3031
02:19:46,160 --> 02:19:49,400
Speaker 1: mechanism is supposed to be that makes it work. There

3032
02:19:49,480 --> 02:19:52,040
Speaker 1: is no research indicating that it works at all. It

3033
02:19:52,160 --> 02:19:55,360
Speaker 1: is complete junk science. And this fucking Dufas is covered

3034
02:19:55,360 --> 02:19:55,840
Speaker 1: in this shit.

3035
02:19:56,200 --> 02:19:58,640
Speaker 2: Hey, he stayed in a room without oxygen or light

3036
02:19:58,720 --> 02:20:00,640
Speaker 2: for four days and then knock two people out, So

3037
02:20:00,720 --> 02:20:04,360
Speaker 2: I would hold smooth, hold that up. Okay, let's listen

3038
02:20:04,440 --> 02:20:07,320
Speaker 2: in on this man looking at San Antonio fast food options.

3039
02:20:08,240 --> 02:20:10,440
Speaker 1: Hey, man, y'all wanna go to suck it?

3040
02:20:11,200 --> 02:20:15,840
Speaker 2: Nah, i'mna go to the jerk shanked stin. These are

3041
02:20:15,959 --> 02:20:20,120
Speaker 2: real places, by the way, Texas. All right, Luke, you

3042
02:20:20,240 --> 02:20:22,760
Speaker 2: mentioned that there was a feet done in a weightlifting

3043
02:20:22,800 --> 02:20:25,360
Speaker 2: competition by this young lady that was ballsy.

3044
02:20:26,680 --> 02:20:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. So she hits the clean here and then her

3045
02:20:29,920 --> 02:20:33,440
Speaker 1: finger dislocates, she holds it, she still keeps it racked.

3046
02:20:33,600 --> 02:20:36,240
Speaker 1: She puts her fucking finger backing while keeping the weight racked,

3047
02:20:36,879 --> 02:20:40,600
Speaker 1: recaptures the grip, recaptures the grip and then hits the

3048
02:20:40,680 --> 02:20:45,520
Speaker 1: overhead jerk like this. And this is at Nationals. That

3049
02:20:45,800 --> 02:20:49,039
Speaker 1: is so fucking baller. I cannot over I mean, it's

3050
02:20:49,160 --> 02:20:51,320
Speaker 1: incredible that she pulled that off.

3051
02:20:51,400 --> 02:20:53,240
Speaker 2: Well, that's not the only jerk we have. Let's go

3052
02:20:53,320 --> 02:20:58,640
Speaker 2: to this guy with the champagne bottle. Right, yeah, you

3053
02:20:58,720 --> 02:21:01,080
Speaker 2: gotta watch where you aim that, you know what I mean, Luke. Oh,

3054
02:21:01,160 --> 02:21:07,119
Speaker 2: someone's about to get that. Oh yeah, all right, Hey,

3055
02:21:07,160 --> 02:21:09,119
Speaker 2: let's go to a concert in the whites. Let's see

3056
02:21:09,120 --> 02:21:10,879
Speaker 2: what they're in too, Luke. You ever watch someone try

3057
02:21:10,959 --> 02:21:13,039
Speaker 2: to crowd dive and then everyone's like, wait, we didn't

3058
02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:13,520
Speaker 2: sign up for this.

3059
02:21:13,680 --> 02:21:17,199
Speaker 1: I actually did see this one time. Bo bit. Damn.

3060
02:21:17,360 --> 02:21:19,240
Speaker 1: I saw someone do this at one time when I

3061
02:21:19,400 --> 02:21:22,480
Speaker 1: was fifteen, I went to a collective soul concert. Oh

3062
02:21:22,520 --> 02:21:24,600
Speaker 1: my god, I saw someone do this and they fucking

3063
02:21:25,320 --> 02:21:26,680
Speaker 1: cracked their head on the pape.

3064
02:21:26,760 --> 02:21:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Let's go to Top rank boxing from Miami. The

3065
02:21:29,440 --> 02:21:33,120
Speaker 2: co main event Robsi Romeroz of Cuba. Watch this uppercut, Koe.

3066
02:21:35,760 --> 02:21:38,640
Speaker 2: Oh did you see that quick left hand.

3067
02:21:38,480 --> 02:21:41,200
Speaker 1: Called the uppercut? From fucking hell on that one?

3068
02:21:41,760 --> 02:21:43,880
Speaker 2: He's fun man. He was in that war Fight of

3069
02:21:43,920 --> 02:21:46,720
Speaker 2: the Year when he lost to Rafael Espinoso last year. Yes,

3070
02:21:47,080 --> 02:21:49,560
Speaker 2: and this was his sort of uh continued comeback and

3071
02:21:49,640 --> 02:21:51,240
Speaker 2: he looked good. I think we've got a replay at

3072
02:21:51,240 --> 02:21:53,200
Speaker 2: the end of this clip, which was just baller.

3073
02:21:53,760 --> 02:21:58,119
Speaker 1: It was just baller taken forever. Here we go, steps off,

3074
02:21:58,560 --> 02:22:00,600
Speaker 1: moves over, boom sign.

3075
02:22:02,360 --> 02:22:04,360
Speaker 2: All right, Grizzy to Oh here's the angle we were

3076
02:22:04,400 --> 02:22:09,240
Speaker 2: looking for. Look at this, damn Glzzy. Time to finish out.

3077
02:22:09,280 --> 02:22:10,800
Speaker 2: Here's our T shirt of the week. Luke, what do

3078
02:22:10,800 --> 02:22:12,440
Speaker 2: you think about me in this? For this this week?

3079
02:22:12,480 --> 02:22:15,200
Speaker 1: It's not the fourth of July until my wiener comes out.

3080
02:22:15,560 --> 02:22:19,000
Speaker 2: That's classy. Also, Luke, let's go over to this genius

3081
02:22:19,080 --> 02:22:21,840
Speaker 2: idea of the toilet cooker. Did you know that if

3082
02:22:21,879 --> 02:22:24,200
Speaker 2: you run hot water to your toilet you can have

3083
02:22:24,280 --> 02:22:27,279
Speaker 2: a permanent hot dog bubbler and have yourself a slippery

3084
02:22:27,320 --> 02:22:30,920
Speaker 2: little snack anytime of day, eating dogs and dropping logs. Baby,

3085
02:22:32,760 --> 02:22:34,879
Speaker 2: you know, I might have tried this in my single

3086
02:22:34,959 --> 02:22:35,360
Speaker 2: days in my.

3087
02:22:35,480 --> 02:22:36,960
Speaker 1: I don't know who this guy is, but if he

3088
02:22:37,080 --> 02:22:39,480
Speaker 1: was ever arrested for like having a dead body in

3089
02:22:39,560 --> 02:22:42,120
Speaker 1: his backyard or like child being a child predator, I

3090
02:22:42,160 --> 02:22:43,400
Speaker 1: would not be surprised, you know.

3091
02:22:43,520 --> 02:22:46,400
Speaker 2: Okay, was this baller or lame? In my first apartment,

3092
02:22:46,560 --> 02:22:49,640
Speaker 2: I once set up a tiny TV with Sega Genesis

3093
02:22:49,640 --> 02:22:53,360
Speaker 2: so I could play NHL ninety four while it takes. Yeah,

3094
02:22:54,200 --> 02:22:56,160
Speaker 2: it was hard with the extension courts to keep that going.

3095
02:22:56,240 --> 02:22:58,680
Speaker 2: We're gonna be yeah, welmos out here, here's your ta,

3096
02:22:58,800 --> 02:23:06,240
Speaker 2: here's your glizzy tat. I'm sure you do. Also, Luke,

3097
02:23:06,280 --> 02:23:33,360
Speaker 2: here's your white chick of the week. I'm sure she's

3098
02:23:33,440 --> 02:23:34,119
Speaker 2: found at parties.

3099
02:23:34,280 --> 02:23:38,480
Speaker 1: Look like Joe Biden, Like, all right, someone throw her

3100
02:23:38,560 --> 02:23:39,560
Speaker 1: off the fucking balcony.

3101
02:23:39,840 --> 02:23:51,280
Speaker 2: Watch this bowl on parade here. Oh oh oh oh wow, dude,

3102
02:23:51,400 --> 02:23:52,279
Speaker 2: those motherfuckers.

3103
02:23:52,320 --> 02:23:54,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I realized I'm not saying anything interesting by

3104
02:23:54,520 --> 02:23:56,760
Speaker 1: saying they're strong. But I just don't think people realize

3105
02:23:56,840 --> 02:24:00,600
Speaker 1: how strong they just flip this nothing like he like

3106
02:24:01,040 --> 02:24:02,240
Speaker 1: juggles her for a little bit.

3107
02:24:02,480 --> 02:24:06,320
Speaker 2: And finally, Luke, you're American of the Week. This comes

3108
02:24:06,360 --> 02:24:07,279
Speaker 2: from Los Angeles.

3109
02:24:13,360 --> 02:24:15,400
Speaker 1: You know they got a homeless problem out there in

3110
02:24:15,560 --> 02:24:17,760
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, if I do say so myself.

3111
02:24:18,200 --> 02:24:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting.

3112
02:24:19,680 --> 02:24:19,840
Speaker 8: Here.

3113
02:24:20,320 --> 02:24:22,480
Speaker 2: What a weird episode, Luke, what a weird batch of ship.

3114
02:24:22,520 --> 02:24:23,840
Speaker 2: But that's all I got for this week.

3115
02:24:24,080 --> 02:24:24,840
Speaker 1: You're out tomorrow.

3116
02:24:24,959 --> 02:24:28,800
Speaker 2: Huh. Yeah, I'm going to Anaheim, California for Last Man Standing.

3117
02:24:28,920 --> 02:24:31,560
Speaker 2: Diazmosi Vidal too. You can purchase the pay per view

3118
02:24:31,600 --> 02:24:34,920
Speaker 2: over at fanmeo dot com slash PPV one. I probably won't.

3119
02:24:34,959 --> 02:24:38,200
Speaker 2: I probably won't watch it. Check me out, check me

3120
02:24:38,240 --> 02:24:39,680
Speaker 2: out on that. It's going to be a fun event.

3121
02:24:39,800 --> 02:24:42,879
Speaker 2: All right, Danny Jacobs is back. I don't think you care,

3122
02:24:42,920 --> 02:24:43,520
Speaker 2: but I don't.

3123
02:24:44,000 --> 02:24:45,920
Speaker 1: Chris get a good fight against Kanela Alvarez.

3124
02:24:46,160 --> 02:24:49,600
Speaker 2: Chris Avila, all right, that's it. I don't Yeah, I

3125
02:24:49,600 --> 02:24:49,920
Speaker 2: don't care.

3126
02:24:49,920 --> 02:24:52,440
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, let's remind everyone we're on the socials.

3127
02:24:52,480 --> 02:24:54,480
Speaker 1: You can put up the graphic there. You can follow

3128
02:24:54,560 --> 02:24:58,080
Speaker 1: us all the different places. Of course, Morningcombat dot Store

3129
02:24:58,560 --> 02:25:00,400
Speaker 1: for all of the merch and everything we else. Don't

3130
02:25:00,400 --> 02:25:03,880
Speaker 1: forget our email Morningcombat at gmail dot com. Are we

3131
02:25:03,920 --> 02:25:05,240
Speaker 1: gonna try to do something on Friday?

3132
02:25:06,400 --> 02:25:08,240
Speaker 2: Yeah? Are we gonna do a bonus thing or no bonus?

3133
02:25:08,240 --> 02:25:10,080
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna try to, but with your schedule,

3134
02:25:10,160 --> 02:25:12,640
Speaker 1: we have to see how that goes. So the answer is,

3135
02:25:13,120 --> 02:25:15,680
Speaker 1: we're trying to, but we'll have to play it by eariline.

3136
02:25:15,680 --> 02:25:17,880
Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good. Sounds good. Thank you so much for

3137
02:25:18,000 --> 02:25:20,440
Speaker 2: joining us. Thanks to our folks in the back, Gilbert Burns.

3138
02:25:20,480 --> 02:25:21,120
Speaker 2: We appreciate you.

3139
02:25:21,840 --> 02:25:22,199
Speaker 1: To Gilbert.

3140
02:25:22,320 --> 02:25:25,200
Speaker 2: And that's it. We enjoyed this. We're out of here though.

3141
02:25:25,320 --> 02:25:25,600
Speaker 4: Bye.

3142
02:25:26,200 --> 02:25:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3143
02:25:27,040 --> 02:25:27,080
Speaker 8: It