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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. This episode number two hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty one, and today in the show, we're joined by

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Speaker 1: Field and Stream hunting editor Will Brantley to discuss late

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Speaker 1: season hunting tactics, last minute hail Mary strategies, and lessons

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Speaker 1: learned from his two thousand eighteen season. All right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx,

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Speaker 1: and today, as I just mentioned, we are joined by

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Speaker 1: Will Brantley and he's gonna be joining me shortly. He

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Speaker 1: is a serious white tailed nut. He's a terrific writer

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Speaker 1: and editor and someone you'll find frequently within the pages

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Speaker 1: of Field and Stream and Outdoor Life magazines. And he's

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Speaker 1: also just a just a good guy. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: if I told this story or not on the podcast

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Speaker 1: in the past, but way back when I was still

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Speaker 1: working in my full time job, before I had a

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Speaker 1: podcast or anything like that going on for written for magazines,

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Speaker 1: I met Will at a film school and while there

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Speaker 1: I was just kind of peppering him with all sorts

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Speaker 1: and how to get published in magazines and everything like that,

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Speaker 1: and he was just so gracious and patient to to

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Speaker 1: listen to a crazy kid like me and to answer

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Speaker 1: all those questions. It was it was just a huge help,

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Speaker 1: and it really, I think in many ways led to

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Speaker 1: directly to me being able to get published and you know,

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Speaker 1: all the subsequent um things that I've been able to

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Speaker 1: do over the years since he had a he had

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Speaker 1: to say that Will is going to be a great

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Speaker 1: guest and on our show today with him. You know,

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Speaker 1: given the fact that the final days and weeks of

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Speaker 1: the hunting season are here for many of us. Some

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Speaker 1: of you maybe your season is already closed, but for

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Speaker 1: a lot of folks there's still little this season left.

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Speaker 1: Because of that, I wanted to do two things. Number One,

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Speaker 1: for those of you that are still hunting, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to pick Will's brains for some new ideas, some different

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Speaker 1: things we can be thinking about right now to kill

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Speaker 1: And then secondly, I want to get Will to participate

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Speaker 1: in what I personally like to do at this time

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Speaker 1: of year, which is this season and review where we

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Speaker 1: look back on lessons learned, maybe some mistakes made, maybe

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Speaker 1: some changes we want to make in the future. I

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Speaker 1: like that with me too, and we learned some really

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Speaker 1: interesting things. So that's what we did. I think it's

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Speaker 1: a really interesting conversation. I'm excited for you to hear it.

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Speaker 1: But real quick, before getting to that, I do want

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Speaker 1: to make one quick plug. Uh. If you've been listening

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Speaker 1: to the podcast This Fault, you've heard me talk a

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Speaker 1: lot about this Michigan buck I was hunting this year,

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Speaker 1: started calling Frank. You know, I ended up killing him

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Speaker 1: a few weeks back. You heard me tell the full

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Speaker 1: story in the podcast. You've heard all about it, but

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Speaker 1: now you can actually watch it. The film from that

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Speaker 1: hunt has finally launched, and I'm just really excited about it.

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Speaker 1: Um As you know, this dear was the was the

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Speaker 1: largest and most impressive deer I've ever had the chance

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Speaker 1: more than that, it was just such a such a

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Speaker 1: cool experience, such a cool hunt. The way that kind

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Speaker 1: holy Field disappearing, but then having this wonderful surprise. The

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited for you all. Check it out. You

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Speaker 1: can head on over to the Wired to Hunt YouTube

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Speaker 1: channel to watch it. The title of the video is

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Speaker 1: my once in a lifetime Michigan Buck, So check that

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Speaker 1: one out. I hope you enjoy it. I thank you

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Speaker 1: we've got to repeat guest, my buddy Will Brantley from

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Speaker 1: Field and Stream. How are you well? I'm good, Mark,

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Speaker 1: Aw you done, buddy, I'm doing doing great. It's it's

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Speaker 1: time to chat. Oh absolutely, man, I'm glad you had

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Speaker 1: So it's one of those things. Though. Now that we're

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Speaker 1: it was. I was kind of like you this year.

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Speaker 1: whatever reason. My wife told me several times, you need

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Speaker 1: but those are those are good problems behalf. It is.

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Speaker 1: I filled those tags this year. I didn't film last year.

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Speaker 1: And it's just you know, it's just like this, by

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Speaker 1: And so often though, it's you know, you want to

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Speaker 1: Now we've we've of this this farm for quite a

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Speaker 1: never run many trail cameras there. We don't have any

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Speaker 1: early season, we've punted it late season. But we've we've

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Speaker 1: than that, obviously, but just by following at rule alone, UM,

431
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 1: I found that you bump way if you're a deer, Um,

432
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 1: then you will, you know, if you've got to walk

433
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 1: across the food plot or whatever it is in the

434
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 1: dark to get to your tree, so that's definitely a

435
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 1: big one. Um, definitely an important one, you know. On

436
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 1: that note, something that I remember reading I don't know

437
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 1: a few years back that the kind of stuck with

438
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 1: me was an idea that that Bill Winkie was talking

439
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,160
Speaker 1: about when he mentioned that more often than not now

440
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 1: he well, he used to and you kind of alluded

441
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 1: to a similar thought process. He used to pick a

442
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 1: spot to hunt based off of whatever the destination was

443
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 1: for the deer, like whatever it's the scrape or the

444
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 1: food plot or the whatever. And then he would say, Okay,

445
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 1: now I see this thing that you're gonna want to

446
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 1: use that the deal will be passing by. Now where

447
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 1: do I find the tree? And he finds the tree

448
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 1: he wants to hunt, and then he thought about, okay,

449
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 1: now how do I get in out of here? And

450
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 1: he said that that seemed to be maybe the wrong

451
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 1: way good about it? And he started reversing that, and

452
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: he started saying, Okay, what are the best ways I

453
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 1: can get in and out of this property? And he

454
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 1: finds a different access and exit routes, and then he

455
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 1: started saying, okay, now where is there a good tree

456
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: and a good reason to hunt along that great exit

457
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 1: or access route. I thought that was a really interesting

458
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: way of looking at things again, pointing to the necessity

459
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 1: as it's it's yeah, that's that's exactly right, And I

460
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: mean that's um, you know, that's a that's definitely probably

461
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: a more concise way of saying what I just rambled

462
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: on and said. But uh, but yeah, it's absolutely true.

463
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of a reversal and thinking as a hunter.

464
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 1: Sometimes we are looking for um, that great food stores

465
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: that you know, that hot fresh sign, and like, man,

466
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 1: you know, how do I set up around this? Um?

467
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: And obviously that stuff is still really important to find.

468
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 1: It's it's it's the essence of scouting for deer um.

469
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 1: But when you're thinking of how to hunt it, uh,

470
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes right over the top of that sign

471
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 1: or right over the top of that hot spot is um.

472
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes it just can't work um, or or it at

473
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: least can't work more than a sit or two before

474
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: you know those they are gonna be onto you. So

475
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: planning something like that especially, man, I think it's especially

476
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: importantly if you're hunting smaller properties. Um. You know, a

477
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,479
Speaker 1: lot of guys are you know, they have a fire

478
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: place and that's where they hunt the duration of the season,

479
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: and um, you know to to continually. Um, I'm not

480
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,719
Speaker 1: of the opinion that you know that a small property

481
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 1: is something that you can only hunt, you know, a

482
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: couple of times a year and then it's burned out. Um.

483
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 1: You know, I've I've seen that that's just not true

484
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: on our farms. But you do have to be careful

485
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: how you hunt them, and you have to be careful

486
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: about you know, where you you know, where you set

487
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 1: up and win. Now later in the season, Um, you

488
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: know it's you get to this time of year when

489
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: time is running out. Yeah, I'll start moving, you know,

490
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: deeper into the core of the property and and start

491
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: you know, pushing those souh, pushing those rules a little bit, um,

492
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: just to you know, just kind of as a hail

493
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: mary chance to to get a chance at a big deer.

494
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, if you bump one out during

495
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: the last week of season on, he's got all the

496
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: next all summer to get over it. So um, but

497
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: you know, to manage that hunting pressure throughout the season

498
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: that stand access, it's really important. Yeah. You know another

499
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: thing I saw you mentioned when it came to access

500
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: in your article was how you found some success using

501
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: an a TV to get picked up on locations, and

502
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: that has been that's been a world changer for me too.

503
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: I've been able to sucker my wife into picking me

504
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: up from one of the small properties that I hunt,

505
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: and that I don't think I would have killed the

506
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: buck I did in Michigan if it weren't for that,

507
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: because it was in this little tiny area like five

508
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: to ten acres. Probably that I kept having to hunt

509
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: because I was the only place where this buck was

510
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: showing up in daylight. So I hunted it a lot

511
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: more than you might think you should. Um. And if

512
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 1: I had to leave, even by foot, I would have

513
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: spooked so many deer every time. But by getting the

514
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: a TV or the truck driven up close to where

515
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: I was hunting, that allowed me to get away with

516
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: so much more. I thinks, Oh, yeah, yeah, I I

517
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: think so. I mean, you know, obviously, you drive up

518
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: on a deer in an a TV or on the

519
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: tractor and your trop and we and we use all

520
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: of the above. Um, you're gonna bump them off or

521
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: wherever they're standing. But gosh, man, I mean over the

522
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: course of the year, Um, the deer that I hunt

523
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 1: on our places, they see my tractor go by, they

524
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: see my truck go by, uh so many times. And

525
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,239
Speaker 1: and to the point where, like um, I have a

526
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,959
Speaker 1: lot of our best stands are set up right on

527
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: an access road. Our trail cameras are set up right

528
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: on access roads, or food plots are planted in such

529
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: a way that you can drive right up. Not all

530
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: of them, but most of them. And that's um, that's

531
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: all by design so that you can get in and

532
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: out of him. And yeah, I mean, UM, my wife

533
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: Michelle probably deer hunts more and more than I do.

534
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: Probably maybe not quite as much as I did, because

535
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: she's the teacher and doesn't get the time, um, but

536
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: but she loves it. And so we just made it

537
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: a point this year that that when both of us

538
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: were hunting, um, there was always a planned exit route.

539
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: And you know, if one of us got stuck in

540
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: the tree with with deer around, you know, we were

541
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: texting the other and like, hey, I'm stuck, You're gonna

542
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: have to come get me. And we did that all

543
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: season long, and it takes a little longer and sometimes

544
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: you're less sitting in the dark in the tree for

545
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: a while, but it is well worth it in the

546
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: long run. Yeah, yeah, agree, speaking of that kind of

547
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: this kind of I guess thought process to how you

548
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: approach your hunting season, just being really detail we're in it,

549
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: or trying to be smart and strategic about it. Another

550
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: one of the points you talked about was um persisting smartly,

551
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: you know, making sure well, I guess rather me trying

552
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: to explain it. Can you explain what you meant by

553
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: that in the example you shared? Yeah, Well, I mean

554
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: you take all of the uh, you know, all the

555
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: points that we talked about, um about good stand access,

556
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's the entry and exit route that

557
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: you're taking on foot. We've got some stands that we

558
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: that we access by boat, um, you know, or if

559
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: it's in a spot where hey, I'm gonna have to

560
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: have somebody come pick me up the dark on the tractor,

561
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, on a four wather or something. Um. Take

562
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: all that stuff in the in the mind, um and

563
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: and put it into place. And then like I was

564
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: talking about with with a small farm, I mean, um,

565
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: there's been kind of a kind of a trend I

566
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: guess in the in the deer hunting world, particularly you know,

567
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: for guys who are really after mature deer. That that

568
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: I've noticed as a as a writer and communicator in

569
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: the past five or six years, and that, um, guys

570
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: are very cautious about when they hunt and they want

571
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: to be sure that that the conditions are just ideal,

572
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: that that all the stars are aligned perfectly before they

573
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: ever make a move. And I mean being conservative, I

574
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: think is is great. Uh, it's a it's a it's

575
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 1: a good strategy. But you know, I've also seen it

576
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: go to the extreme and where people almost talked themselves

577
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: out of hunting all together. And um, you know, and

578
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: then check a trap. Cameron. Guys, you know there was

579
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: a big deer under your stand in broad daylight a

580
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 1: week ago and we're waiting on things to just you know,

581
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: to get you know, quote unquote right. And so man,

582
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: it's uh, you have to go. Um, you have to hunt.

583
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: And that persistence, um is is uh you know, is

584
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: what pays off in the long run. I mean it's

585
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: time in the tree and I mean you know it

586
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: as well as anybody. Um. During the early season, Uh,

587
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: you're hunting bachelor groups of bucks here in Kentucky, UM,

588
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: that are coming to a food source, but they're not

589
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: coming to the same spot every single night. You watch

590
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: a bean field, you know, five nights in a row,

591
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: and you may see the group every night, but um,

592
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: they only hit the same trail twice, and so you

593
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: just have to play the odds. And it's just you know,

594
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: it's pretty similar to the situation that you had with

595
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: your deer in uh in Michigan this year. You knew

596
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: where that deer lived. Um, you knew a couple of

597
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: areas that he was walking by. He didn't walk by

598
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: him every day, but you just had to put yourself

599
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: in that situation where you had seen him the most

600
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: and you know, and then just stay after it. And

601
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: finally he walked by. And it's and it's the same way,

602
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: I think, regardless of where you're hunting white tails. And

603
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: so that's smart. Persistence means, you know, you're still doing

604
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: all the things. You're still planning your entry and exit,

605
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: you're still playing the win. Uh, you're still picking the

606
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: stands based on the time of year and and your

607
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: most recent information and all that good stuff. But you

608
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: also have to just be in the tree. And man,

609
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: I you know, you hunt a whole month in November, Um,

610
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: during the rud and and those whole day sits, you

611
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: you log a whole lot of time without looking at

612
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 1: a deer and uh, and it's actually, uh, it's actually

613
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: pretty tough. But um, if you're there when that buck

614
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: finally walks by, that's that's when you get a shot

615
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: at him. And so that's that's what I meant by that, UM,

616
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: persistence isn't just going hunting every day for the sec

617
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: of going hunting. It's it's uh, making a good decision

618
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: about going hunting every day if you can, but most

619
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: people can't. So as as often as you're able to

620
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: get out there, yeah, it's I feel like this is

621
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: a huge turning point for me too, was when I

622
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: went from trying to hunt like by proof force to

623
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: then becoming a hunter that hunted much more, you know, strategically.

624
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: I guess I used to think if I hunted every

625
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: single day, every hour that I possibly could, that was

626
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: gonna kill me, dear. And you know, as we both know,

627
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: if if you're hunting just to hunt all the time,

628
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're quite likely screw things up unless you've

629
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: got a smart way to do it. UM. So making

630
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: that transition to starting to pay attention to the timing

631
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: and conditions and when to hunt certain places and how

632
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: to hunt certain places. But then to your point, you

633
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: can go too far in the wrong direction. So it's

634
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: like finding that right balancing point where you're hunting enough,

635
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: putting yourself in a position to be successful, but doing

636
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: it in a in a careful, well thought through a way.

637
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like I feel like this is more

638
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: of an art than a science, and more and more

639
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: I dive into this, it becomes like this careful pulling

640
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: of all these levers and almost I don't want to

641
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: call it a magical way, but it's just I don't know,

642
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: every one of us has got to kind of build

643
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: this intuition or instinct around when to make these moves,

644
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: when to pull back, when to strike, when to watch,

645
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: and that kind of comes with experience and messing up

646
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: a lot and then learning from it. Right, Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely.

647
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: I mean you as hunter, as you gain experience, you

648
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: start to recognize periods of time where you know what,

649
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm probably not going to kill a deer today, and

650
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: it's better to uh, you know there to get caught

651
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: up on some work. And I went probably three weeks

652
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: in the month of October this year, with you know,

653
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: barely climbing into a tree. And Um, when I was

654
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: a younger bow hunter man, I'd be in that tree

655
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: every day and shooting every day that walked by and

656
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: and having a big old time at it. But I

657
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: didn't get as many chances that mature bucks later on.

658
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: And so um, with that being said, uh, when the

659
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: conditions were right in November, Um, I was in a

660
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: stand just you know, every every minute that I that

661
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: I could be. And so you learn to recognize when uh,

662
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, when the stars are aligning and it's it's

663
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: not gonna be probably not gonna be one particular day,

664
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: but it might be a period of time. Um. Just again,

665
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: I keep using your your Michigan Buck as an example

666
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: because he's the perfect in that story, is a perfect

667
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: example of just what we're talking about. I mean, you knew, um,

668
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: that deer was there, and you knew he was moving

669
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: through there on occasion in the daylight, and the only

670
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: way you were going to kill him was to be

671
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: there when he happened to walk by you and you

672
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: you know, either in bow range or finally with a

673
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: gun in your hand. So um, that's that's what it takes. Yeah, yeah,

674
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's always easier. What am I trying

675
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: to say here? Hearing that is one thing. Knowing how

676
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: to execute on that though, is like the other. Right,

677
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: it's a lot. It's a lot easier to say it

678
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: than do it. And I feel like it sometimes just

679
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: comes down to personally seeing the results once you do

680
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: start making the right decision when it starts like clicking

681
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: to play sometimes. I mean, at least that was that

682
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: was how it was for me, and starting to see

683
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: some of these things come together helps helps a lot. Um.

684
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: So were there any other things that that really stood out?

685
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: I know you you listed a whole bunch of different

686
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: um examples, but were there any other top aha moments. Well,

687
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: there's been a few on the land management front um

688
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: that I've been paying attention to for the last few years.

689
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: But I think kind of um kind of really came

690
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: to fruition, so to speak, this year. Um, you know,

691
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: one of them, uh is uh I had a point

692
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: in there about timing your you know, your dough harvest. Um.

693
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: You know, we we get in a zone one Kentucky County,

694
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: so we we get unlimited uh antler us tags uh

695
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: in in several the counties that I hunt here in

696
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: Kentucky uh and then in Tennessee. The units that I'm

697
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: in Tennessee, you can kill. I believe it's three does

698
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: a day. And so we we shoot a lot of those.

699
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: We we have a lot of deer here. The density

700
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: is pretty high, and um, you know, man, there's no

701
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: better practice for being able to hold it together on

702
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: a big deer than shooting a bunch of dose uh.

703
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: And again, whenever I was a little bit younger bow hunter,

704
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: I've man, I put that into practices about every time

705
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: I was in the tree. If a dog came through,

706
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: I was you know, I was gonna shoot her unless

707
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: I could see a buck taser UM. But you know,

708
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: the last few years, um, I I've kind of changed

709
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: that focus a little bit. We we still shoot a

710
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: lot of those, and I shot several this year. UM,

711
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: But I like to I could really focus my dough

712
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: shooting in early September. And what I found is that

713
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, you'll you'll find some family groups of dose

714
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 1: and then they'll move around uh and and established fall

715
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: ranges and things, just just the same way that bucks

716
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: will UM. And you'll really see a lot of that,

717
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of that shifting around in the

718
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: early season. And but I found it like by by

719
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: the time the mass has fallen and they've you know,

720
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: they've kind of gone through that. Uh. It seems like,

721
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, about mid October, if you get a family

722
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: group of does that's hanging out in a certain area,

723
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: be it, you know, around one of your food plots,

724
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: you're your favorite white oakridge or whatever it is, they're

725
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: probably gonna be there through November if you don't mess

726
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: with them. Um, and uh, you know, if you're not

727
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: spooking them, and certainly if you're not shooting into them, um,

728
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: they're probably gonna be hanging around. And there's just no

729
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: better place to be during the ruttan around a bunch

730
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: of oaks, I mean, the best bait that there is.

731
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: And um, and so that's um, you know that That's

732
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: definitely something I've learned, is you know, kind of blending

733
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: the strategy of you know, as a manager, you wanna

734
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: try to keep the herd in check and and you

735
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: know shoot the correct number of those for a for

736
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: a property, but also as a hunter, um, you know

737
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: you need to put uh you need to keep those

738
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: things in mind, like why why are those bucks going

739
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: to be in a certain area during the rut, And yeah,

740
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: they can pick a dough and get locked down with

741
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: but I'm not. I don't worry about that as much. UM,

742
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: you know, during the rut, you know of having too

743
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: many dose around um within reason of course. UM, I

744
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: have found that that no one, we're a family group

745
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: of those uh is feeding and where they're bedding and

746
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: honey really in essence hunting those those If I'm not

747
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: locked onto a particular buck on my cameras, if I

748
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: just hang out in that area where I know those

749
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: dose are gonna be, um, I'm in a pretty good

750
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: spot during the rut. And I think that, UM. It

751
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: certainly worked on on killing my my Kentucky buck this year,

752
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: although I had a lot of trail camera pictures of that,

753
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: dear and it and it definitely worked on my Tennessee buck. Um,

754
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: I knew there were kind of dose in that area.

755
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: And um, you know, although I didn't have any pictures

756
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: of that buck, I knew going in there in November

757
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: in a place where we hadn't been killing a lot

758
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: of those up to that point in the season was

759
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: probably gonna be a pretty good play. Yeah, So I'm

760
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: curious if you've ever seen this. I had. I've talked

761
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: to a few folks that have mentioned the idea of

762
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: of actually paying attention in some places to specific Doe

763
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: family groups. And when you know, they tend when that

764
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: matriarch Dough maybe tends to come into heat and seeing

765
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: that happen kind of consistently. So this dope family group

766
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: that seems to always be in this little section of

767
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: the property, they tend to see like a bunch of

768
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: action around that area, and that dope family group maybe

769
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: we'll say early in November every year or maybe late October,

770
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 1: and then they see that same thing happened year after

771
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: year and have started to build a kind of focus

772
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: their hunts in different places based off of what they

773
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 1: think are year after year trends with the same does

774
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: coming in around the same time. Is that something you've

775
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: ever heard of or seen anyway or pay attention to. Well,

776
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say, you know, I followed it as a

777
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: as a year after year thing. I mean, again, we

778
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: have so many Doughs around here. It's you know, it's

779
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: difficult to pinpoint one family group um, you know, over

780
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: the course of a few seasons. But I can say

781
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: that there's some areas of uh you know, of ideal

782
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 1: habitat um. You know a lot of times around food

783
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: plots and things, um, where you can depend on there

784
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: being uh one or two or several family groups of

785
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: dose And yeah, I mean over the course of a

786
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: single deer season, you'll see those individual groups and uh,

787
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: and you'll start to be able to pick out the

788
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: individual animals and you can tell which, you know, which

789
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: dough is the matriarch and um, yeah, I mean you

790
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: just like I was saying while ago, if you can

791
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: pattern those groups of dose um and not spook them

792
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: on your way in and out of the stand, and

793
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: not shoot them when they come in there in the

794
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: bow range, however tempting it maybe uh, it's um, it

795
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: really is setting you up for a really good situation.

796
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: And November and you know, like, um, the spot where

797
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: I killed my Kentucky buck was on a food plot.

798
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: I had been seeing there at leased two maybe three

799
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: family groups of those hitting this plot just virtually every evening,

800
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: and and I'd hunted this this place a lot um

801
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: because I was seeing a few pretty good bucks in

802
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: the early season that we're hitting these food plots on

803
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: occasion in the daylight, and these groups of those I

804
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: mean I came to recognize them, you know, when they

805
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: would come out and different groups would come out of

806
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: different areas on the field, and um, you know, right

807
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: around the first in November, Uh, they just um, you know,

808
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: they just started disappearing. It seemed like you would still

809
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: see some of the fawns coming out, and and it

810
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: was a good you know, it's a good queue that

811
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: a couple of those older doughs were in heat or

812
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: at the very least they were tired of the young

813
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: bucks chasing them all around the fields. And um man,

814
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: when I started uh started hunting that in uh in

815
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: early November, it was just a buck factory. I mean

816
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: they were dear that I had never seen cruising through

817
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: there at all hours of the day. And uh, you

818
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: know you uh that that wasn't by wasn't by accident.

819
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: I don't think. Yeah, I love when that happens. So

820
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen, is there anything that you have

821
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 1: already thought through from this past season that you want

822
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: to do differently next year? Is there anything that you

823
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: are not going to do again? Or that you are

824
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: going to fix, or that you're an altar based off

825
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: something you learned recently. Um, you know what I mean.

826
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: I think I'm forever tweaking. Uh, you know, the actual

827
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: ambush the tree stands said, that's a ground blind set

828
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: up with whatever it may be. I mean, even with

829
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, with all the factors in place of access,

830
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, you can almost always get in any tree

831
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: and think, Man, I wish it was just a touch hower,

832
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: just a touch lower, I'd cut this line. You know,

833
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: whatever it is, there's always some way to make it

834
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: a little bit better. And um, you know we're we're

835
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: in a situation on with a couple of our with

836
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: our family ground that that I hunt so much with

837
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: with the shells. She was in a pretty bad car

838
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: accident several years ago and uh and has some lasting

839
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: damage to her hip. And because of that, she has

840
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: a really tough time, um, getting in and out of

841
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: the lock on stand. She can do it as she

842
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: has to, but it's just that kind of that motion

843
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: of stretching her legs to make that last step and

844
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: kind of swinging over into the stand like she can.

845
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: You know, she might have pain for a few days

846
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: after that, and so as a result, we end up

847
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: hunting out of ladder stands a whole lot. And um,

848
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: you know, most of the ladder stands that you bow

849
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: off the store shelves are about eighteen feet tall, and

850
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: you can get away with it with a bow, um,

851
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: particularly if you're very careful about them. But um, at

852
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: the same time, they're definitely not as effective as uh

853
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, as a as a lock on stand or

854
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: even the climber um that's you know, a foot you know,

855
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: or higher up in a tree. And so when I

856
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: look at that, I mean, I definitely want to take

857
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: some of our sets where we you know, where we

858
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: have ladder stands that might be a little bit shorter.

859
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: I want to get some color stands in there, and

860
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: uh you know too, Um, I want to look at

861
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: some other ways that we might be able to help

862
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: Michelle get in and out of some lock on stands

863
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: that are a little bit higher, because I definitely believe

864
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: that being higher up in the tree, you know, just

865
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: as a as a practical rule means you get busted

866
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: by feer deer. Um you know, say you know that

867
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: it's a it's an age old debate that deer hunters

868
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: have you know, how how high does the stand need

869
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: to be? And yeah, I mean I've killed them off

870
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: the ground as we were talking earlier, and I've killed

871
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: him out of stands that were ten feet off the ground.

872
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: But day in and out, Uh, if I can be

873
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: twenty ft or higher in a tree, that's where I

874
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: want to be. And so, um, it's something that I

875
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: want to look at a little bit uh next year.

876
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: And then there are always things that I want to do,

877
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: um from a management perspective, I mean, new food pods

878
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: that I want to try, Um, you know, new areas

879
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: that I I do a lot of a lot of

880
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: prescribed burning in the in the in the late winter,

881
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: and areas that that I want to um that I

882
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: want to burn this year, and and you know, kind

883
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: of rechards some old fields. And then also I'm I'm

884
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: kind of starting to get into trapping a little bit.

885
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm wanting to you know, uh do my part

886
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: to take a few coyotes off the landscape and hopefully

887
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: reduce a little fun predation and things like that. So yeah,

888
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: I mean there's always always a to do list. So

889
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: that's that's what January for, right, it is making a

890
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: bunch of resolutions that we that we can't keep, hopefully

891
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: that we can keep. But but yeah, man, the wheel

892
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: never stops turning on the white tail season, though, doesn't it.

893
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just every month of the year there's

894
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: something you can be working on or thinking about. And uh,

895
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: I guess that's that's why I love about It can

896
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: really be such a such a great part of your

897
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: entire year. All right, Well, before moving on to our

898
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: next kind of topic of conversation, I want to take

899
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: a quick second to thank our partners at White Tailed

900
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: Properties and Spencer New Hearth. We'll take it from here.

901
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: This week with White Tailed Properties, we were joined by

902
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: Andrew Schultz, a land specialist out of Illinois. And Andrew

903
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: is going to be telling us about how shopping for

904
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: land in the winter is different than other times of year.

905
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: You know, there's lots of differences, but the main difference

906
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: is the foliage that's um out on these properties. So

907
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: with the lack of foliage, it's great for being able

908
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: to walk around that property, um see deer sign from

909
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: the past season, really get an idea for what trees

910
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: around the property? Uh, what types of species of plant life?

911
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: And animals are using the property, and so that's gonna

912
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: be the best reason for looking at ground in the

913
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: wintertime versus the summer spring, when there's a you know,

914
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 1: leaves on all the trees, it's hard to see, it's hot,

915
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 1: there's mosquitoes, there's ticks. Might not be quite as enjoyable

916
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: of an experience. Um, if it's me, I'm picking the

917
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: cold weather and I'm learning everything i can about that

918
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: property after most of the hunting seasons are over and

919
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 1: you can see a lot of the property. Um, that's

920
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: my favorite time to walk a farm to really and

921
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: truly learn a lot about it and do so fairly easily.

922
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: If you'd like to learn more and to see the

923
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: properties that Andrew currently has listed for sale, visit white

924
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: tail properties dot com Backslash Schultz. That's s h U

925
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: L t z. Um. But I guess you know, we

926
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: might be getting ahead of ourselves because there are a

927
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: lot of people still out there who who don't want

928
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: to do a season and review yet because they still

929
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: have a bunch of season left. Um. I know I've

930
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: got friends still in Iowa that are hunting, and other's

931
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: Ohio definitely as a whole lot of time. There's a

932
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: bunch of states with times still left. Hum, So I

933
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: want to make sure we touch on that, touch on

934
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: some late season hunting kind of hell Mary, late season

935
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: kind of things that we could try to pull off

936
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: here at the end of the season the beginning of

937
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: the new year. And this kind of came to mind

938
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: for me because you guys had a recent feature. Um,

939
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: I think it was the most recent issue of Field

940
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: and Stream. You guys called it The Closers, and you

941
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: interviewed four different hunters about their four really unique approaches

942
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: to hunting the late season. I really, I really was

943
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: intrigued by some of what these guys had to say. Um,

944
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: you covered one guy who was hunting out on the

945
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: planes kind of spotting stock late season hunting. Then you

946
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: had your more traditional hunting food sources late season approach.

947
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: Another guy talked about tracking deer in the snow, um,

948
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: and then another suburban hunter. So some really interesting unique

949
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: ways to think about hunting here in December, January, etcetera. Um,

950
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: can you can you kind of walk through I don't know,

951
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: were there anything? I know you worked on that piece

952
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: some as well as a couple other guys. Were there

953
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: any of those late season, I years, or strategies that

954
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: stuck out to you is particularly interesting or are worth noting, Yeah,

955
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: for sure, Um, you know, and and and just kind

956
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: of to your earlier point about opportunities, I mean, um,

957
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: here in Kentucky, the archery season runs for several more

958
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: weeks here in the mid January and uh in the

959
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: gun season, I believe it's still in in Tennessee. So uh.

960
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: And then guys should get a little farther south from here,

961
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: down in the areas of Alabama and Mississippian things. I mean,

962
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,439
Speaker 1: the rut is just now uh kicking. So um for

963
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 1: for a Southern hunter, there's a you know, the late season,

964
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of opportunity. Um. And you know,

965
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: to to that point, one of the guys that, uh

966
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: that that I interviewed for for that Closers feature was

967
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 1: was j Maxwell and Ja lives uh in the Atlanta area,

968
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: and um, he's one of those guys. Man. I've talked

969
00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: to j a bunch over the years. Um. He killed uh.

970
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: I believe at the time it was the state record

971
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: both kill in Georgia killed it, um in Fulton County

972
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: killed it in a you know, barely in the suburban

973
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: and he killed that deer during the rug just this giant,

974
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: non typical and I interviewed him for you know, for

975
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: a few different stories, um when he killed that deer.

976
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: And he's one of those guys that you get him

977
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: on the phone and you can just tell that, man,

978
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: this this guy is a hunter. Um really, regardless of

979
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: of what the what, what the critter at hand is,

980
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: I mean, dear turkeys or whatever. I mean, you can

981
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: just tell that this guy is good at it. Um. Uh,

982
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: both by the things that he says and and you know,

983
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: the you know, the skills that he brings up. He's

984
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: he's just good. And so always UM, I always like

985
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: to get J on the phone and discuss different tactics,

986
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: and in this case, we were we were discussing kind

987
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: of late season hunting in the South. Uh. And um.

988
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: He he has places where he can go out and

989
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: hunt in the county and traditional farmland, but he prefers

990
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,959
Speaker 1: to hunt actually in those suburban woodlots in Atlanta. UM,

991
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: partly because a lot of them are boh only there's

992
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: a pretty high deer population and then there guess just

993
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: some stud bucks down there. And he's he's shot quite

994
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: a few of them. And so you know, in the

995
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: in the Deep South, um, you know, your your late

996
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: season weather can feel you know, it can feel a

997
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: whole lot like October. Uh. In the in the Upper Midwest,

998
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: I mean it may be you know, maybe fifty degrees

999
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: for days on end, and um, you're not getting a

1000
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: lot of really cold weather that's forcing deer in the

1001
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: you know, in the big agricultural food sources. And then

1002
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 1: in the place like a like a suburb of Atlanta,

1003
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: those food sources don't exist, you know, the deer eating

1004
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: whatever brows they can find between one subdivision and another.

1005
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: And so the things that that Jay does to uh,

1006
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: to get on deer at that time of year, I thought,

1007
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: we're pretty interesting. And I mean they you know, it's uh,

1008
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: it's not advice that that only works there. It's um,

1009
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: it's advice that that can work really, I think regardless

1010
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: of where you're hunting deer. And a couple of the

1011
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: things that he mentioned that I thought were really cool. One,

1012
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: he is a really aggressive caller. Um. You know he

1013
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: was talking about how from about the first of October

1014
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: to the end of season. I mean he is, uh,

1015
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: he's rattling, he's grunting, snort, weason, you name it. And

1016
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: whenever I was, you know, a younger deer hunter, I

1017
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: used to call a lot of used to rattle a

1018
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: lot of saw it work on, you know, in all

1019
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: the videos and things, and and wanted to tray from

1020
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: my compen and I had some success with it. I

1021
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: called in some deer um. But you know, I guess

1022
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: over the years I became um more conservative as we

1023
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, and so yeah, I might run

1024
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: out of deer. I might rattle every now and then,

1025
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, if I if I saw one out cruising

1026
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: and didn't think I was gonna get a chance. But

1027
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: beyond that, I didn't do a lot of blind calling.

1028
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: I just you know, I didn't want to call any

1029
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: unwanted attention to my setup, you know what I mean.

1030
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: I figured I was in the right place, and I just,

1031
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, gonna let things happen the way that happened.

1032
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: But um man J was talking about if he sees

1033
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: a spike, he's calling at it and he's gonna try

1034
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: to get it to the base of his tree. And

1035
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 1: you know, for for one, I think it gives him

1036
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: confidence to call deer in and then he was also

1037
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, like when you're calling it a

1038
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: little buck, you never know what's you know, just over

1039
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: the hillside listening. And so I personally, UM did a

1040
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: whole lot of deer calling this year, a lot of

1041
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: rattling a little ground man. I called in a ton

1042
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: of bucks, and it was just like once I called

1043
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: in that first one of the season, it was just

1044
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: like my confidence just got higher and higher. And UM

1045
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: rattled in a bunch of deer in Kentucky and and

1046
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: uh spent four or five days in Kansas. Of course,

1047
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: do in Kansas are pretty easy to call in, but

1048
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: nonetheless you can uh, you know, when you're rattling in

1049
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: several bucks a day, it just really gets your confidence

1050
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: going and it works everywhere. And and I really I

1051
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have done that if not for talking to

1052
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: J about that. And he was referring specifically to the

1053
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: late season when he said, you know, look the dear, Yeah,

1054
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: they're they're focused on food. The main part of the

1055
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: rut is over, um, but that doesn't mean that it's

1056
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,479
Speaker 1: overall together. Um. You know, there are still some late

1057
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: those fawns uh whatever, you know, whatever, they may be

1058
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: coming into heat uh, throughout the winter and um, and

1059
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: so the bucks are susceptible to coming into calls and UM.

1060
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: So you know it's uh, I think the strategy of

1061
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: UM yeah, I mean you're definitely hunting diminishing food sources

1062
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: late in the season, but you shouldn't just you know,

1063
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: I guess in a in a way, you shouldn't forget. Um.

1064
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: You know some of the uh, some of the things

1065
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: that um, you know that that that are potentially good

1066
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: rud hunting strategies as well. Um. You know your dear

1067
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: calling um folks and does again. I my buddy Miles.

1068
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: He's a Western hunting guy from Colorado. He was in

1069
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: here a few a few weeks ago for our late

1070
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: December muzzle letter season here in Kentucky. He killed a

1071
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: really nice buck on our place that came out from chasing.

1072
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: Does you know several weeks after the you know, the

1073
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: rut is supposedly over. So UM. Jay said that in

1074
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, when I was interviewing him, that he didn't

1075
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: really believe in a second rut, so to speak. He

1076
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 1: just believes that, you know, once the first few does

1077
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: come into heat. Um. Yeah, there's definitely a main event,

1078
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: but there's still some breeding that goes on right up

1079
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: probably until the bucks are dropping their antlers, and I

1080
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: kind of agree with that. So yeah, you know, I remember,

1081
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: as we're talking through this, I remember another thing I

1082
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: think that Jay had said to which which kind of

1083
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: alludes back to what we we're talking about earlier, when

1084
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: it came to your tree stand heights and stuff like that.

1085
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: I think he mentioned that he likes to hunt even

1086
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: higher in the late season because of reduced cover. Was

1087
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: that remember that, right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, he likes to

1088
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: get you know, twenty or twenty five feet up in

1089
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: the tree. And I actually have the have the store

1090
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: in front of me right now, and he he likes

1091
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: to look for trees that have you know, two or

1092
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: three trunks um, you know, or two or three big forks, um,

1093
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: just to just to break up the outline even more.

1094
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 1: Because yeah, I mean, um, you know, if you're hunting

1095
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: the whole season, the would look a lot different in uh,

1096
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, in in January than they do the first October.

1097
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: There's uh, you know, comparatively no cover out there, so um,

1098
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: getting those few extra feet up in the tree, I

1099
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: think a really big difference. Yeah, yeah, it's I've I've

1100
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: certainly experienced the downsides of not doing that on some

1101
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: of my some past years, I've had like a go

1102
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: to tree stand that's always so good, and then you know,

1103
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: forget about what it's going to be like in the

1104
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 1: late season. Then I've got up there in late December

1105
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: and climb in there and just realize, oh wow, I'm

1106
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: hung out to dry right now. And then the first

1107
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: first mature dough walks in the in the range and

1108
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: just spots you right away. I mean, there's no worse

1109
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: feeling than that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's no good

1110
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: at all. Um. Were there were there any other standouts

1111
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: for you from from that piece, whether it be with

1112
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: j or the other guys, maybe you talked to Dave

1113
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: or Scott after their conversations with use, Well, you know,

1114
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's um, it's a it's a pretty foreign

1115
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: thing to me living where I do. Or we may get,

1116
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, a few dustings of snow a year. But

1117
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: Joe dinto the the guy who does uh, who does

1118
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: a lot of tracking in the Adirondacks. I mean, that's

1119
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: just cool, um, you know. And he's another one I

1120
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: didn't interview Joe. That was that was one of Dave's pieces.

1121
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: But um, he's another one of those guys you can

1122
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: just tell about what he says that that that the

1123
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: as the hell of a hunter. Um and uh, you know,

1124
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: in that specialized situation, he sounds like he's probably pretty

1125
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: good at it, and um, you know, and I think

1126
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: one of the neat things was we think of I mean,

1127
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: at least I do. I've never you know, tracked the

1128
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: buck in the snow, but I would think of it as, um,

1129
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, probably something that's that's pretty tough to do.

1130
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: Uh and and you know, get uh and get a

1131
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: good shot at one and uh you know this guy's uh,

1132
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: this guy's point of view was like man like, um,

1133
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: I don't know why some why everybody doesn't do this

1134
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: is the easiest way in the world to kill a

1135
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: big here. And uh, you know, it was just neat

1136
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: to uh to see that and to see that perspective.

1137
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's such a different strategy from sitting in

1138
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: a tree and trying to call him in or you know, uh,

1139
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: hunting Nebraska plat in the late season, whatever your usual

1140
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,959
Speaker 1: go to late season strategy is. I mean, tracking one

1141
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: down in the snow in the Adirondacks and that's that's

1142
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: pretty badass. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every time I read about

1143
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: someone doing that, I get really intrigued and keep on.

1144
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm gonna try to plant trip like that for

1145
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: next year, because it just seems like such an interesting

1146
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: experience and such a great learning opportunity to I feel like,

1147
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: I think that these days, we we just have got

1148
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: so hung up on whether it be trail cameras or

1149
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, all these different things that allow you to

1150
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: see big deer on food plots or out in the open.

1151
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: It's it's really easy to to rely on some of

1152
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: these new approaches versus going back to just look at

1153
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: things like tracks and kind of your old school woods

1154
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: been shipped type of tactics. That there's something to those

1155
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: as well. Um. So I'm definitely gonna try to start

1156
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: focusing on things like that more myself and um And

1157
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: it certainly seems like this this Joe is a perfect

1158
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: example of how how effective it can be. One of

1159
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: the things he mentioned too that stuck out to me

1160
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: is as smart um is the fact that a lot

1161
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: of people when they try tracking deer in the late season,

1162
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: they're they're almost too conservative and careful and they just

1163
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: like edge their way along so slowly the entire time.

1164
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: And he mentioned the fact that no, you need to

1165
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: you need to go walk fast and catch up to

1166
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: that deer until you see him slow down. And the

1167
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: way that you know he's going fast, I think that

1168
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,919
Speaker 1: he referred to as the deers on the highway when

1169
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: he's just going straight. When you follow this big track,

1170
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: he called it a quote, holy shit track is what

1171
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: he wants to wait for, I think. Um, and so,

1172
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: so move quickly when he's moving straight, because he's moving

1173
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: quickly too. But as soon as you see him swing

1174
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: to the left of the right, that's kind of the

1175
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: sign that he's he's left the highway, he's got unto

1176
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: the off ramp, and now he's heading towards home. Um,

1177
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: and so that's when all of a sudden, Okay, now

1178
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: you slow down because he's slowed down too, and now

1179
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna be he's gonna start his kind of meandering

1180
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: towards his bedroom. He's gonna stop in the kitchen and

1181
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: maybe nibble a little bit. And you need to look

1182
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: for those signs. And once you see that he's gone

1183
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: off the off ram, then you stop and you glass

1184
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: and you take one step and you stop and you glass.

1185
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: Because I think, and I could be getting this confused

1186
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: with another fifteen different pieces I've read about this kind

1187
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: of hunting lately, but I think you said, you know,

1188
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: once you see them get off of the off ramp,

1189
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: you're probably within two hundred yards. I think was there

1190
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: was the number you put out there, and um, and

1191
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: that was like a really really insightful specific piece of

1192
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: advice there that I thought, Man, you could even if

1193
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: you wanted in a late season kind of hail Mary

1194
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: approach at this time of year, if you're down to

1195
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: your last couple of days of this season and you

1196
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: don't have some kind of lockdown strategy where you know

1197
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: this buck is going to come out to a food source.

1198
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: If you don't have something that lined up, what a

1199
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: cool thing to try. You find a big track, even

1200
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: on private land, even in Michigan or Tennessee or wherever. Um,

1201
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: if you've got some snow, give us a shot. You don't.

1202
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: I don't think you need to have the big to

1203
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: the Adirondecks to to do it, And of course that helps,

1204
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: but you might be a fine success just right here

1205
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: on smaller properties. Well, you know, it's one of those

1206
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: situations where I think, um, you know, a big chunk

1207
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: of public ground. Um, even if it's a big woods

1208
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: public ground, you know most of the year you're gonna

1209
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: look at that. It's like, man, I really wish I

1210
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: had a nice private spot with a soybean field on

1211
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,959
Speaker 1: the hunt. But like in that situation, you need room. Um,

1212
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: you need room to cut a track, uh, and you

1213
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: need room to be able to follow it. You know,

1214
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: it would it would be a shame if, you know,

1215
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: if your passion was deer tracking and you you know,

1216
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: had to had to stop every day because the deer

1217
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: got to a property line you couldn't cross. So I mean,

1218
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: in that situation, a big piece of public ground could

1219
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, could really offer an advantage. And I mean

1220
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: I think that's um, that's probably one of the one

1221
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: of the reasons why Joe looks to the Adirondacks. But

1222
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, you look at that advice

1223
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: that he ave about, you know, following the highway to

1224
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: the off ramp and all that. I mean, you think, gosh,

1225
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: what a what a woodsman to be able to like

1226
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: to him, that answer is so obvious to give, but

1227
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: to somebody who's never tracked a deer, You're like, oh,

1228
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: well that makes sense, you know, and uh, it's pretty

1229
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: cool to get to talk to guys like that, um,

1230
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: who are just really really good at what they do,

1231
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: and it might be a really specialized way of hunting

1232
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: that like you know, again I don't I don't get

1233
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: any snow around here during deer season, so I'll probably

1234
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: I may never track a deer, but it's still pretty

1235
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: cool to read about it and uh and read about

1236
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: the way a really good hunter and a different part

1237
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: of the country does things and and it's successful. Oh yeah, fascinating.

1238
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: So so then what's what's the Will Brantley late season recipe?

1239
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: How do you approach it? Well, you know, it's it's

1240
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: not um, you know, For for one, I I personally,

1241
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: um haven't hunted the late season just a ton because

1242
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: we're in a one buck state in Kentucky. And uh

1243
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: most years, fortunately I've I've killed my buck by the

1244
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: late season. Um, but the last few years, uh, you know,

1245
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: I mentioned my buddy Miles, who's who's come in and

1246
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: and uh hunted late season with us here. Well, gosh,

1247
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: she's been coming in six or seven years in a

1248
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: row now, um and uh, and he's killed three good

1249
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: bucks here in the past. He killed two this year.

1250
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: He killed one in Tennessee and and one in Kentucky

1251
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: and uh and killed a good one uh in Kentucky

1252
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: last year. And that was you know, both of those

1253
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: were mid December hunts and kind of after the after

1254
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: you know, definitely after our peak of the rut. But

1255
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: still when some things we're going on. I still think

1256
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: there were a few uh, you know, a few those

1257
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: maybe coming in the heat, and definitely some bucks interested.

1258
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: But I think that the take away from from the

1259
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: good deer that that he's killed just in the past

1260
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: couple of years during the late season has has definitely

1261
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: been uh, you know, probably even more of a hyper

1262
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: focus on some of the things that we were talking

1263
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: about earlier about your stand access and um, you know,

1264
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: and choosing the conditions and things like that. And um.

1265
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: The deer that Miles kill with us last year, UM

1266
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: was in a stand I knew, um, you know, about

1267
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: where this deer was bedding. He was coming out of

1268
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: a pretty big woods area with a lot of cutover stuff.

1269
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: I knew the deer was bedding in that area somewhere,

1270
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: and we'd hunted this deer pretty much all season, from

1271
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: the early season through the rut around this one particular

1272
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: food plot, and had gotten a lot of pictures of him.

1273
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: But I had a stand set in this bedding area,

1274
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: and um, we avoided it all season, mainly because there

1275
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: was no way to drive a four wheeler into it

1276
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,439
Speaker 1: to get somebody out of it, and um, there's really

1277
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: no way to sneak into it of a morning without

1278
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, you may get in there without bumping the deer,

1279
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: but you may not. But um, you know, I knew

1280
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: after our gun season this deer was still alive, and uh,

1281
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, and so we Miles and I kind of

1282
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: went for broke. I said, you know, hey, we're gonna

1283
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: put you. Uh, we're gonna put you in the stand.

1284
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: We may spook the deer before you get a shot

1285
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: at him, but you know, we've only got a few

1286
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: days of the season left, so this is where we're

1287
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 1: gonna go. Um and uh, you know, there was a

1288
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: little masked uh left in this in this area. But

1289
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: more importantly, I think it was just right on the bread,

1290
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: on the edge of where this buck was betting and

1291
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: kind of between where he was, you know, where he

1292
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: was bedding and seeding all year long. And I mean

1293
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't wasn't rocket science on picking the spot, but

1294
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: it was, you know, it was kind of that last minute,

1295
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: go for broke approach. And he killed that deer his

1296
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: his first evening in that stand. So um, this year

1297
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: was it was a little different. Um. You know, he

1298
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: he he killed his buck, you know, chasing dose in

1299
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: a food plot right before dark, out of a out

1300
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: of a box line. And the and the buck that

1301
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: he killed this year was was a deer that gosh,

1302
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: we had a ton of pictures of him two years

1303
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: ago and then he just sort of disappeared and we

1304
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: got killed. Um who's a real tall tight right eight

1305
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: point A couple of years ago we named him up Tight.

1306
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: Actually I hate naming dear, but this one just begged

1307
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: for a name, so um and uh. And then I

1308
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: was just out of town on a hunt and Michelle

1309
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: was pulling trail camera cards and got a picture this

1310
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: year and man, he'd gotten pretty uh, pretty cool, growing

1311
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of kickers and things around his bases and

1312
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: just sort of showed back up around, like I say,

1313
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: around Thanksgiving and was sort of hanging around our food plots,

1314
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,959
Speaker 1: and I assume, um, probably because we had a couple

1315
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: of family groups of dose around there, and you know,

1316
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: he showed up in daylight. My house killed him. So um,

1317
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, good good food sources and and good stand

1318
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: set ups. I don't think my strategy would change a

1319
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: whole lot in the late season versus any other time

1320
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: of year, other than I might get a little more

1321
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: aggressive on some of the places that you know that

1322
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit or you know, try to access. Yeah,

1323
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: that's an interesting point because I feel, at least for me,

1324
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: there's there's two times of year when I feel like

1325
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: it makes sense to to go for the home run,

1326
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: to take that risky aggressive move. It's it's either the

1327
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: rut because you've got this disproportionate chance that deer going

1328
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 1: to be a little bit off their game. There will

1329
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: be a little bit um I don't want to say

1330
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 1: stupider or something like that, but you've got a little

1331
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 1: bit more of a chance of than making a mistake,

1332
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: and so it makes sense to kind of go for

1333
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: the home run during the rut and then and then

1334
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: to your point, this time of year, the late season,

1335
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: because what do you have to lose, right the season's

1336
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: gonna end anyways, Um, might as well give it a shot.

1337
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: And UM, it's interesting that that worked out for you guys.

1338
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: And that kind of worked out my hunt. This this

1339
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: bucket killed in Michigan. I he showed up in daylight

1340
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: that morning. I saw him from a long distance away.

1341
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: I was, okay, I have to get in there and

1342
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: hunt right there tonight. But the wind was pretty darn

1343
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: lousy for it. It was I would never I would

1344
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: never hunt this area with that wind. But I said, well,

1345
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 1: it's it's December. He's here this this one day. He's

1346
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: not consistent at all. Um, he's been like once every

1347
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, kind of dropping in. Um, I have

1348
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 1: to I have to strike. It's kind of an now

1349
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: or never. And so I tried to find a way

1350
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: to to take a risky situation, minimize the risk as

1351
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: much as I possibly could, but just went in knowing like, hey,

1352
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: there's a fifty chance it's either I'm gonna blow everything

1353
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: out here or I'm gonna kill him. But sometimes you

1354
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: have to you have to do that. Yeah, Yeah, you

1355
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: gotta have the confidence to you know, hey, all the

1356
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 1: all the pieces are here to tell me that there's

1357
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: a pretty good chance he's gonna come by this afternoon.

1358
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: Now you know, he I'm a spooking But you know,

1359
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,759
Speaker 1: like say, you've, uh, you don't have many many chances

1360
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: left by this point in the season, so you've gotta try. Yeah, yeah,

1361
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: you mentioned, Um, you mentioned those two things. Sometimes you're

1362
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: more aggressive and you're smart water stand sites, and then

1363
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 1: you've gotta be hunting the right food. Um. What what

1364
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: kind of late season food sources are worth king in

1365
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:24,759
Speaker 1: on in the places of you hunt Tennessee, Kentucky. Um,

1366
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: whether it be you know, planted crops or native for it,

1367
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: what do you guys really focus on this time here? Well,

1368
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: so far as native stuff, Um, you know, mass is

1369
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 1: still important at this time of the season. Now, we

1370
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:42,560
Speaker 1: had kind of a spotty mass drop here. It was

1371
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: really really one of the best mass crops. I think

1372
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: you can get the hunt and that some trees were

1373
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: just dropping like crazy and others had nothing. So you know,

1374
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: if you could find a really good white oak that

1375
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: was dropping, uh, you were gonna see some deer under it.

1376
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: But you said, by this point in the season, you know,

1377
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 1: most of the white oaks have been pretty well and

1378
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: but we uh, we have a lot of different red

1379
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: oaks species, and um, although they're not as preferable to deer, uh,

1380
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 1: they still eat them, and they definitely eat them late

1381
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: in the season. And what what I find around here anyway,

1382
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 1: is that on a lot of the oak ridges, the

1383
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: red oaks will tend to grow right on the very

1384
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: tops of them. You know, I guess where the soil

1385
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 1: or whatever it is isn't quite as good as what

1386
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 1: I've been told anyway, And uh, you'll get a lot

1387
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: of deer action, um cleaning those things up, some of

1388
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: the big post oaka acrens and things like that. So

1389
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 1: they definitely hit those, um if you can, if you

1390
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: can find them, and and I mean again, uh hunting masts.

1391
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 1: It's um. Sometimes you you walk past a bunch of

1392
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 1: trees and there seemed to be acron's land everywhere on

1393
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 1: the ground, and then you get to one particular tree

1394
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: that they're hitting and that doesn't look any different than

1395
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: any of the others. I can tell any difference in

1396
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: the nuts, But for whatever reason, there's that one that

1397
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 1: they like. And we you know, we we were running

1398
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: in in Tennessee the other day and there was a

1399
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 1: there was a red oak tree like that that for

1400
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: whatever reason, that deer were hammering it and walking past

1401
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: fifteen other red oaks, it looked just like it to

1402
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 1: get to it. So um, so that's a that's a

1403
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:15,759
Speaker 1: big one. Um. You know, we still have some green

1404
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: stuff um growing pretty much year around around here. You know,

1405
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 1: they'll be um different little pieces of uh you know,

1406
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: forbes and and native vegetation and things like that, and

1407
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 1: and deer are always gonna gonna nibble on that stuff.

1408
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: And from a food plot perspective, I mean, I plant

1409
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: most of my food plots are a blend of uh la, dinald, clover, chickory,

1410
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: and oats. Um. I do plant some brassicas, and a

1411
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 1: lot of times they won't even eat them around here

1412
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: until after the season goes out. We usually just don't

1413
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: get weather cold enough to to really uh to to

1414
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 1: make braskas that attractive. I mean, I have had some

1415
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: askt plots that were hit pretty hard. But um, I've

1416
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: got one that that I planted and I walked through

1417
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: the other day and they're turn ups the side of

1418
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: the softballs just laying there on the ground and it

1419
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 1: doesn't look like they've been cut. They hit the they

1420
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 1: hit the greens early, you know, when they're first coming up,

1421
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: and you actually can get some pretty good early season

1422
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: hunting over him. But then through the course of deer season,

1423
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 1: they just they just don't mess with them. My whole lots.

1424
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 1: It makes a really pretty food plot, but they just

1425
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 1: don't eat it a whole lot. So um, the clover,

1426
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 1: the chickory, and the oats, I mean they in this

1427
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: at this latitude, they are green just almost year around.

1428
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 1: I mean, if we get a really deep freeze, you know,

1429
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: late which which we usually will, I mean, they'll go

1430
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: dormant for a while. Um, but from most of deer

1431
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: season they're gonna be pretty green. And uh, and the

1432
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 1: deer are gonna eat that stuff. I mean, if you

1433
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: can get any really anything that's that's green like that, um,

1434
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna be on. And then of course you're you know,

1435
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 1: your harvested grain fields, your your cut corn fields, and

1436
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 1: you're and your bean fields and things. They're gonna nibble

1437
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: around in those and we get a lot of our um,

1438
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: a lot of our farmers will do a cover crop

1439
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: of some sort um, usually wheat, sometimes uh, you know,

1440
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: sometimes rye. Every now and then some of the organic

1441
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: farmers will will drow oats into the field. Uh di,

1442
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 1: coon rad issues will get some of those. But um,

1443
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: you know, any of those, any of those pit crop

1444
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: fields that have had a cover crop, especially with a

1445
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: cereal grain, are gonna have a lot of deer on

1446
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: them this time of year. So yeah, yeah, definitely seen

1447
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: similar things up here in Michigan. Um, no, no one

1448
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: thing that is different. I imagine we talked about how

1449
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: you know, there's this careful balancing act we have to

1450
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,839
Speaker 1: make all throughout the season between when do you strike

1451
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 1: when you get aggressive versus when do you played a

1452
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 1: little more safe and maybe observe or maybe don't hunt

1453
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 1: some days and during the late season. So much of

1454
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 1: what I'm doing up here in Michigan usually or or

1455
01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: anywhere in the Upper Great Lakes maybe Wisconsin Minnesota is

1456
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: is keying in on certain weather events that really pushed

1457
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: deer out to feed. So like a big snowstorm coming through,

1458
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: or like arctic temperature, something really extreme like that can

1459
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: really get deer, especially that mature buck that maybe wasn't

1460
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 1: moving in daylight at all. That might finally get them

1461
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 1: up and moving. So when I see something like that

1462
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: come through, I market on the kaler, you know, gotta

1463
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: hunt on that day. Um. But somewhere like Kentucky or Tennessee,

1464
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 1: that's kind of mid country. Uh, you probably don't get

1465
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 1: big snow events like that. You probably don't get those

1466
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: big arctic temperature events. Is often at least um so

1467
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: so correct me if I'm wrong. But if that's the case,

1468
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: what do you key in on as far as weather

1469
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 1: factors or anything like that to to kind of guide

1470
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 1: you during the late season. Well, I still like to

1471
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: look for cold fronts, um. You know, I like to hunt,

1472
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: you know, in the if if I can catch an

1473
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 1: afternoon when a cold front is is just about to

1474
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: pass through, when it's you know, the tampaster has fallen

1475
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: and it's kind of a steady drizzle, um, before the

1476
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 1: wind really kicks up. I mean, I seem to always

1477
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: see deer on their feet during those conditions, really, regardless

1478
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 1: of whether it's the early season or the very last day,

1479
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: those conditions seem to put deer on their feet around here. Uh.

1480
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: And then um, in the late season in particular, I

1481
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 1: think those postfrontal high pressure days when it's you know,

1482
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: the sun is bright and it's cold and still and

1483
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 1: there's a heavy frost like um, those days, I mean

1484
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: you you almost always can can count on, you know,

1485
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: pretty consistent deer movement and uh you know, man, besides that, um,

1486
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 1: late in the season, I mean the temperature and in

1487
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: the stage of a cold front aside, Um, I like sunshine. Um,

1488
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,719
Speaker 1: you know, we are our winners are especially this year,

1489
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: like we get a lot of days rich forty five

1490
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 1: degrees and drizzling rain, and it just seems like it

1491
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 1: is like that, you know, for days on end in

1492
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: the in the wintertime in this part of the world,

1493
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 1: and it gets muddy and sloppy and all of that,

1494
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 1: and um, you know the sunny days, Um, the clear

1495
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 1: sunny days. I just I don't know, I like to

1496
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 1: go outside on days like that, and it just seems

1497
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 1: like wildlife, you know, they just as a rule they

1498
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: take advantage of weather like that when the norm has

1499
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 1: been kind of cloudy, gloomy, you know, just just kind

1500
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: of bland weather. So sunny afternoons in the late season,

1501
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,919
Speaker 1: you know. I I can't I haven't documented that or anything,

1502
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: but it's just one of those things that I do

1503
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: seem to see more dear on their feet when I'm

1504
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 1: out and about you know, um doing my things. So, um,

1505
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 1: those are the conditions that that I kind of like

1506
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: to look forward at least this time of year. Yeah, yeah,

1507
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: I feel like, Um, I feel I've heard similar things too,

1508
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: and even I think lots of times you'll get those

1509
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: nice sunny days tend to come with that postfront high

1510
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 1: pressure system, right, Um, so you kind of get those

1511
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: those coinciding factors that all of a sudden make it

1512
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: especially good. So when you get that those are that's

1513
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: another one of those check it on the calendar, gotta

1514
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: make it happen kind of day. If you have the flexibility. Um,

1515
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 1: I feel like late season especially is, and it's it's

1516
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 1: important all year round. I guess early season in late

1517
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: season maybe more so, but it's if you can there's

1518
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 1: gonna be a handful of special days each year that

1519
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 1: are gonna be just just a notch or two above

1520
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: all the other days because of some kinds of system

1521
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 1: moving through, and if you can find a way to

1522
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 1: have the flexibility to make sure you're there on those

1523
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: couple few special days. I'm not saying that they it's

1524
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 1: always gonna work out. It's not not saying that you're

1525
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: not going to kill a deer on on a random

1526
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 1: day that all the factors aren't aligned. But it just

1527
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 1: seems to be that if you can take advantage of

1528
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: those few special ones, you're gonna just put yourself in

1529
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 1: a little better position. That's that's worth doing if you can.

1530
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. Sometimes some days you get in

1531
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 1: a tree and you just know things right, you know.

1532
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: I love I have a totally different physical feeling on

1533
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: those days, Like it's usually when I'm getting things ready

1534
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: at the house, doing my final prep, loading the truck,

1535
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. On the days where you just

1536
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 1: have that feeling your gut like it's a kill day,

1537
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: where you just know everything's lined up. That's one of

1538
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: my favorite things all year round as far as like hunting,

1539
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: Like what you just know when those special days are there.

1540
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, the sense of anticipation, excitement is just

1541
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: it's turned up to eleven on the dial, and I

1542
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 1: live for that. So so all this stuff's great, and

1543
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: it's it's the knowledge is so important when it comes

1544
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:45,560
Speaker 1: to hunting all year round, of course, but late season especially, um,

1545
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: but I think sometimes the toughest thing is just staying motivated,

1546
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 1: you know, after a long hunting season. You're tired, you're

1547
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:57,480
Speaker 1: worn out. Maybe things have been going bad. Um, it's cold,

1548
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 1: you're recovering from eating turkey and ham and hundreds and

1549
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 1: hundreds of pounds of stuffing and mashed potatoes. It can

1550
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,639
Speaker 1: be kind of tough to pull yourself back out there.

1551
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: Do you have any kind of final parting words of

1552
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: wisdom as far as that side of things? Um, when

1553
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: it comes to the late season and just keeping after it. Well,

1554
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: it's it's okay to be comfortable when you're deer hunting. Um.

1555
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 1: You know, there's some really good clothing out there made

1556
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: that that helps keep you warm. But even with the

1557
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: very best stuff on, Uh, sitting in a little bit

1558
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: lock on stam when it's in the teens is tough. Um,

1559
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: you know it's sometimes it's necessary, but um, you know

1560
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with being in the ground blind with

1561
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: a buddy heater or being in a box blind with

1562
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: a buddy heater and keeping warm. Um. You know, when

1563
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 1: I'm hunting during the rud or any time that I

1564
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: need to, you know, to put time in the stand

1565
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 1: that I that I know I may be sitting there

1566
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: a while, I always bring a Thermost of coffee. Um,

1567
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 1: maybe it's spooked a deer before, but I can't really

1568
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: think of an instance where I'm like, yep, that dear

1569
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 1: spook because I was drinking coffee. Um, you know, I mean,

1570
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 1: so I bring a term, it's a coffee. It helps

1571
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 1: pack the past the time. I bring plenty of next

1572
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: and I and I read like crazy on the stand. Um,

1573
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not a fan of playing on my phone

1574
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: a whole lot when I'm in the tree. I mean,

1575
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 1: I do same as everybody else. I'm checking emails on

1576
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: Facebook all that crap. But um, you know it's a phone.

1577
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 1: Batteries die quickly, uh this time of year. So so

1578
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: there's that part of it. And uh, you know you

1579
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 1: start scrolling through in the video plays or whatever, like

1580
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 1: he can really get you distracted. But um, there's something

1581
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 1: about a paperback book. And I picked my books carefully.

1582
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 1: You know, I definitely want to get something that I

1583
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 1: want to read, but I've got to get a book

1584
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: that I need to be sure that I can quickly

1585
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: slide it into a jacket pocket or a kip pocket

1586
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 1: or something like that. At And like Michelle and I

1587
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,759
Speaker 1: are really we both read a ton in the stand. Um,

1588
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 1: but we're really careful about which books we pick. We

1589
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: don't pick hard back books because you know, if you

1590
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 1: happen to drop one out of the tree, it's gonna

1591
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 1: make a lot of noise. But like small paperback books

1592
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 1: that you can slip into a pocket quickly, um, you know,

1593
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 1: and you can sit there, you can read a little bit,

1594
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: you can cast your eyes up, you know, twice a

1595
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 1: page and just kind of check around. And it actually

1596
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 1: keeps you pretty still to have a book on your

1597
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: lap and just turning the pages with your thumb in

1598
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 1: a way that you know, even messing with a phone,

1599
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 1: you're moving around a little bit and there's a few

1600
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 1: more distractions involved. So um, you know, you still need

1601
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 1: to pay attention obviously, but it's uh, it's okay to

1602
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: have some things to occupy yourself on the stand. You know.

1603
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: It's not like you're on sentry duty or something. So

1604
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 1: I've always I've always felt the same way. I'd rather

1605
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 1: have something like that that, especially for me, like during

1606
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 1: all day sets in November, that kind of thing, a

1607
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: book or reading something on my phone or whatever might be.

1608
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 1: I'd rather do that and stay out in the woods

1609
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 1: all day because of that little bit of help versus

1610
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 1: coming in for four hours or two hours or whatever

1611
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 1: and completely missed that window of time out there. So

1612
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:11,640
Speaker 1: if you need a little something to help you, go

1613
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: for it. As far as I'm concerned, yep, absolutely So

1614
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: I think the perfect way then to end this would

1615
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 1: be to get a couple Will Brantly book recommendations. Then, um,

1616
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 1: if you're if you're out there reading so much, do

1617
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: you have any suggestions for us, well, you know, for

1618
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 1: something just kind of kind of mindless to the past

1619
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: the time and be entertained. I mean, I I enjoyed

1620
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:37,600
Speaker 1: John Grisham and that sort of thing, like if you, uh,

1621
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: I'm sort of a Southern literature guy though I'm I'm

1622
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 1: a Harry Cruise nut um, and uh he was probably

1623
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 1: not an author a ton of people that have heard

1624
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 1: about him. It's pretty uh it's pretty kind of dark gothic,

1625
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 1: you know, Southern humor. Um. But if you're into that

1626
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 1: sort of thing, he's pretty good. And a lot of

1627
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 1: his books are really small pay for backs, and uh,

1628
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,719
Speaker 1: most of them are you know, you gotta shop around

1629
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 1: on Amazon to find them, and some of them are

1630
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,759
Speaker 1: kind of expensive that um, you know, I really enjoy

1631
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 1: his stuff. Uh you know, uh yeah, I mean just

1632
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 1: as as long as it's a good story and again

1633
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 1: fits that criteria of sliding in a in a pocket quickly. Um,

1634
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 1: I'll I'll read it in the stand or are on

1635
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 1: the blind. It might be you know, an old a

1636
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 1: little more western, or you know, whatever I can find

1637
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:35,679
Speaker 1: sitting on the bookshelf at Walmart. It you know, I don't.

1638
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: I'm not not too choosy when it comes to the

1639
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: passing that time, because again, I don't want to be

1640
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: so engrossed in something that I miss a deer coming by.

1641
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,680
Speaker 1: So that's that's the that's the trick right there, is

1642
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: not picking too good of a book because I did

1643
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 1: that and missed a shot at the buck I was

1644
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 1: after last year. Son't want to be sitting there with

1645
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 1: a copy of War and Peace in your life, you know,

1646
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 1: So it's uh, it's gotta be something manageable. Yeah, it's

1647
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 1: always it's a fine in line, whether it be choosing

1648
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: when to hunt or choosing the book to read while

1649
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 1: you hunt. It's always walking the line. So a lot

1650
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: of decisions to be made. Yes, yes, important stuff. Well, Well,

1651
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 1: this is this is fun. I appreciate taking the time

1652
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 1: to chat. And for folks that want to keep up

1653
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 1: on your on your writing and the different adventures and

1654
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 1: stories you've got that you're sharing in the world, where

1655
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 1: can they pick those up or find them online? Field

1656
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 1: and Streaming Outdoor Life magazines and uh, you know both

1657
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 1: of our websites, Field and Streaming outdoor Life dot com

1658
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: and our our social media pages on our Facebook pages

1659
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 1: and Instagram feeds, so perfect. Well, well, thank you so much.

1660
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:45,639
Speaker 1: This is uh, this is a good time. I think

1661
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 1: we covered some stuff that will definitely help people here

1662
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 1: at the here at the conclusion of what's what's been

1663
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 1: an exciting season for a lot of people. Yeah. Man,

1664
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 1: well there's uh, like I say, a little time left.

1665
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 1: So anybody who's who's still out there, just wish someth

1666
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 1: us to love him. He's safe. Absolutely, good luck trapping too. Well,

1667
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: all right, man, I appreciate it. Good talking to you.

1668
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 1: And that's a wrap, folks, Thank you all for listening.

1669
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna mention one more time going out and check

1670
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,679
Speaker 1: out that film from my Michigan hunt for the Buck

1671
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 1: known as Frank. I'm probably biased, but I feel like

1672
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: it turned out pretty cool. I'd love for you to

1673
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 1: check a look and let me know what to think.

1674
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:27,719
Speaker 1: So all that said, thank you, good luck out hunting.

1675
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 1: If you're still out there, and stay wired to hunt