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Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy, man. I'm very excited to have you

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Speaker 1: So let's talk then a little bit about kind of

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Speaker 1: after your military career. Uh, you were mentioned before you

428
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Speaker 1: did a year in the reserves training guys kind of

429
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Speaker 1: winding down on what was it just time for you

430
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Speaker 1: to retire or did you make a decision to get out. Yeah. Well,

431
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: like a lot of good stories, I met a girl.

432
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Speaker 1: It happens. It happens, and of course it rocks your

433
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: world when it's good. Right. So I was actually teaching

434
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: on a free fall course down around San Diego and

435
00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 1: we got winded out. So we took the weekend off

436
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: and we went and rented a beach house around Mission Beach,

437
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: Pacific Beach, and uh, you know, we went out partying

438
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: and the next day we're out for breakfast and we,

439
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: uh we meet these girls and like literally fall in

440
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: love with this woman, Jessica, this young lady here, that

441
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: one there. Yeah, and uh, that day she told me

442
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: she she couldn't handle a military lifestyle. So at least

443
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: she knew that. She knew it. She was honest, you know,

444
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 1: put it out there day one. Thank you. She comes

445
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: from a military background though her dad was a Vietnam vete.

446
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: Her grandfather was a member of OSS, you know, so

447
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: she had a kind of an idea of what to

448
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: expect and that kind of was the catalyst for the

449
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: transition out into you know, the civilian world, like where

450
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: to put your purpose? Now, Oh, that's great, it's great. Now,

451
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: it's great that both of you knew that and like

452
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 1: had a cognizant understanding it, a deliberate plan going forward. Yeah,

453
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: it was for me. It was interesting because I didn't

454
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: I didn't see it coming. I thought I was to

455
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: be a gunfighter for the rest of my life. I didn't.

456
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 1: I loved what I did, you know, And so put

457
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: the plans in motion. That's cool. So you got out

458
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: and U and now you're starting to go into, uh,

459
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: you know, the private sector and what are you trying

460
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: to keep Describe a little bit about this company that

461
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: you started up. We're talking about a little so the

462
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: Special Forces Experience dot Com we're putting on ah, the

463
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: ultimate male experience. It's it's for men um. It's been

464
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: a slow burn. It's been a couple of years of

465
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: developing exactly what it is. So a tricky part for

466
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: guys like me who put you know, their bloodstine tears

467
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: into the military, as you know, when you come out

468
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: as like, hey, how do I repurpose? Have all these skills,

469
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: but they only really look good to governments and private

470
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: contractors and security usually right uh, yourself, you took a

471
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: different route, um, But it's it's about the traits of

472
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,239
Speaker 1: the person, you know, and vectoring those properly. So we

473
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: started talking about, Okay, what am I gonna do? What

474
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: am I gonna do? You know, I have a couple

475
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: of small businesses. I owned some real estate in a

476
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: coworking place, and we dabbled with that, but always on

477
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: the back burner was this project that originally actually it

478
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: was from Jess. She called it a man camp, and

479
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: I laughed out loud because I had this vision of

480
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: dudes cooking smores and throwing axes. You know, yeah, you

481
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I was like, God, no, I

482
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: can't do that. It was like I literally laughed out loud.

483
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: It just wasn't me. And but that started developing into okay,

484
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: what can we do? You know, we started asking men,

485
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: We asked women, what what are men missing in this world?

486
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: You know, we have all this ancient technology and us.

487
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: You know, our limbic system are all our senses in

488
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: a man, there's a lot of it there, like designed

489
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: for certain purposes that are really male. And in the

490
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: modern world it's hard to doing physical things with your hands.

491
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: Doing physical things with your hands, uh real, like that

492
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: sense of protecting, you know, just just literally what our

493
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: hormones and our DNA was designed to do for the

494
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of years that got us to here.

495
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: And now, you know, after the kind of big feminist

496
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: push and all that, I think it's rubber banding back.

497
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: And men are like, okay, well, I don't want to

498
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: be a stay at home dad, and where do I

499
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: fit in? And where do I fit in? And not

500
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: that there's anything wrong with the stay at home dad,

501
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: it's just it's about nurturing those male qualities. And that's

502
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: where we started developing the process. I was watching the

503
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: video that you have with the chessboard, which I'm gonna

504
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: link to here in the article, and I mean it's awesome.

505
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: People are really gonna dig this. And I do think

506
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: that there is such a demand for what you're doing. Uh,

507
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: you don't know how many times that we've gone to

508
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,479
Speaker 1: events in Vegas where a lot of guys in our

509
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: audience will say to me, my one regret and wife

510
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: is not joining the military, you know, because they just

511
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: had something that in the way of them doing that,

512
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: and they kind of relive it through this, But I

513
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: think they would love to relive it in the or

514
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: live it in the experience that you're talking about. And

515
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: I think some of these guys aren't stay at home dad's.

516
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: They're also guys who work in the corporate world. And

517
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: I think working in the corporate world in some ways

518
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: is like the antithesis of what you guys have done

519
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: in special operations. Um, what I mean by that is

520
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: in special operations, from what I see from you guys,

521
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: you do get rewarded for being a you know, the

522
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: strongest guy, the alpha male, as they say. And in

523
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: the corporate world, unfortunately, it's a lot of like who's

524
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: the best at kissing the boss's ass, you know? And

525
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: I think these guys want to actually have that primal

526
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: thing that you're talking about in their life. Well, I

527
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: think what you're talking about is very natural male tendency,

528
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: which is to seek hierarchy to see where you can

529
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: really fit into it. I don't mean like come in

530
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: as the mail boy and move up to manager and

531
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Speaker 1: up to CEO. That that's kind of a representation of it,

532
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: but it's not truly seeing where you fit in the

533
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: pecking order. And yeah, this is something the process is

534
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: designed to give men that answer to that question where

535
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: do I fit in? It's many things. Um, it's a

536
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: psychological assessment, it's a physical challenge like no other, but

537
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: it definitely can answer that question of okay, could I

538
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: have gotten anywhere close to it? You know? And as

539
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: you know I mentioned earlier, you know that even with

540
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: the Joint Test Force two, it's a seven day selection,

541
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: but you still have ten months on course. And then

542
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: as you know yourself, Jack, you know, you don't just

543
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: show up and not produce every single day. So it's

544
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: just a little nug of it, you know what I mean,

545
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: Like the boys hold you accountable every day when you're

546
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: besides someone who depends on you, and like their life

547
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: depends on you, even if it's in training. Or prepping.

548
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: They're holding you accountable all the time. So yes, it's

549
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: a really good nug um, But I wouldn't ever want

550
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: to say that. In the eight days, you'll discover that

551
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: you could have made it as it were. I think

552
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: it's a really interesting question. I think it's easy to

553
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 1: dismiss or make fun of, like the the concept of

554
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: like what does it mean to be a man in

555
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: the modern world? Um, you know it. I think there's

556
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: some people who say, well, you know, men need to

557
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: stop being snowflakes or whatever. But I mean there's a

558
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: there's a real question there about you know, in a

559
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: modern world where labor has largely been feminized, where do

560
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: you fit in? As you said, we we we've evolved

561
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: over hundreds of thousands, millions of years to do certain things.

562
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: And I think that's sitting behind a computer all day,

563
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: which is a big part of my job. Um, you

564
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: become like very like overly introverted because you're not like

565
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: learning new skills, you're not doing things with your hands. Um,

566
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: you're not being physical and I think like psychologically emotionally, um,

567
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: and even it's uh, you know physically your body, like

568
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: you you just missed those things um, So, I don't

569
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: think it's something that I would dismiss out of hand.

570
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: I think I think there is like some sort of

571
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: role or or some sort of conversation that needs to

572
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: happen in the modern world, like because we can't. We're

573
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: not all going to become like male feminists, you know,

574
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: wearing loafers without socks on and reading Fuco under a

575
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: tree like that is not the future of men writ large, right.

576
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: You gotta you've got to find some sort of like

577
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: balance or something in between the extremes exactly. I will

578
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: say I do believe in my heart, and I may

579
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: get pushed back for this, that the s F as

580
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: it is in the West is really the last like

581
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: it's the last safehold of where a man can nurture

582
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: everything that from his cells up makes him a man,

583
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: and he can be there and it's nurtured. So not

584
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: everyone wants to take that road, you know what I mean.

585
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with stay at

586
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: home dad or loafer guy. You know, there's if it

587
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: works for him. If it works for him, I I

588
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: just I feel and I was along along with my cadre.

589
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: You know, there's a there's a few things that are missing,

590
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: a few checks in the box, if you will. That

591
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: guys are just not able to experience. And it's tough,

592
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, you live in a city or something, it's

593
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: hard to find these things. So uh, yeah, it's obviously

594
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: a big debate, a big talk, you know. Yeah, yeah,

595
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: it's a culture wars. Well, I had a I had

596
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: a professor when I went to college. Um, she was

597
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: a self described Marxist. But she had this great comment

598
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: about the military, because what you're saying is it's like

599
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: the last like bastion of of masculinity. She said, the

600
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: military is a heterotopia. It's like a utopia for like

601
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: the heterosexual male tore like go and do man stuff.

602
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: I thought that was hilarious. I use that all the time,

603
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: the heterotopia. Well, first, she can thank them for doing

604
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: their job and giving her the platform and the safety

605
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: to be able to say it, right, But yeah, I

606
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: I don't know what if I would argue like the

607
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: higher of the military, obviously it's a big beach, you know, like,

608
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 1: but definitely I would say, once you kind of get

609
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: up in those tier one, tier two areas, you know,

610
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: specialized units like you airborne units, and stuff like that

611
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: where there's not a lot of female presence, they're definitely

612
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: safe havens for a lot of that male tendencies. And

613
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: there's a part of our society that I think really

614
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: like um admires those units because of that. But then

615
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: there's another part of our society, and this goes back

616
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 1: to frankly, a lot of people work in the media.

617
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: They hate it because they see that as that's the

618
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: last part of society that needs to be domesticated, Like

619
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: they need to grab these guys and get the collar

620
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: on them. What do you think you're doing, cowboy. Yeah,

621
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: they kind of view like a dog on a leash almost,

622
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: And at best. The thing is is, you guys know this,

623
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: The world's just not there yet. The world there is.

624
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: There is very truly bad people, evil people wanting to

625
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: do evil, Snakes in the grass, they're they're just they're there.

626
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: The world is not a utopia yet. You know, it's

627
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: better and it's getting better. It's just not there yet. Yeah. Well,

628
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: I mean it's when we had Dale Comstock on the

629
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: other day, who's served in Delta and uh, and he

630
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: made this comment that it sounds very boisterous on one hand,

631
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: but he said, Look, America needs people like me. I

632
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: can't disagree. I mean, America and Canada need the kind

633
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: of guy who will run into gunfire. Hopefully we don't

634
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: need that person every single day to do that, but

635
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: there are gonna be times where we're facing extremely difficult

636
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: situations and you know you are gonna need men like that. Uh.

637
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: You know. The most obvious example, of course, it's like,

638
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: you know, the guys who stormed the beaches in World

639
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: War Two. I mean, if that hadn't happened, I shudder

640
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: to think what the world would look like today. Exactly exactly.

641
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: You know, just be thankful that these men are able

642
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: to be rooted out and then given a funnel to

643
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: go down where their their energies and efforts and abilities

644
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: are vectored for good. You know, yeah, absolutely. Uh. And

645
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: rather than have like some sort of like out of control,

646
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: um you know, like apocalypse now type crap going on,

647
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: but instead you have a selection process, You have a

648
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: military unit that exists within a democracy with congressional oversight

649
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: or parliament oversight in your guy's case, um, with ethos

650
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: and code right where you honor something and then it

651
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: can be used for good. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So, how

652
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: is this how is this thing progressing? I mean leaving

653
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: the culture wars behind for a second. How how is

654
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: this company, the special Forces experience evolving? What do you

655
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: have planned for people who enroll in this? Well, I uh,

656
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: it's hands down the ultimate experience for a male who's

657
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: not going to go through that, who's not going to

658
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: join the middle of not going to join the military.

659
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: So for those who don't know, like, hunting another human

660
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: being gives you like a real feeling of power and

661
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: it is a rush. So you're probably not going to

662
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: get that legitimately outside of the military, would you know,

663
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: they like the guy up at five in the morning

664
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: holding a crossbow you start counting down. No, don't do

665
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: that people. Yeah, so we want to give them a

666
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: little bit of a nug of that. And it's like

667
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: I was saying, eight days gives them that feeling. It's

668
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: a monumental challenge. You know. Most endurance races and things

669
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: of that nature are usually a day, four hours, A

670
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: few of the longer ones out there, but most aren't.

671
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: Eight days. They step into a world totally it's all

672
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: designed to be unknown, so it just kind of happens

673
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: to them. You know, drinking from that fire hose. We

674
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 1: give them skills, home defense skills, hand hand skills. Those

675
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: are just a by product though, sorry, are a byproduct

676
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: of us evaluating them. So the whole time, from flash

677
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: to bang, once they hit the apply button, they go

678
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: through an interview process and they're picked or not to

679
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: come out because some guys I just know I won't

680
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: take their money because I know they won't make it,

681
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: and I don't. I only expect about five out of

682
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: the thirty to make it through. But I really don't

683
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: want everyone to show up on day one and be gone,

684
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: like guys whose hearts isn't in it. Yeah, their hearts

685
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: just aren't in it. There. They won't show up physically

686
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: ready or mentally ready. They haven't faced any adversity in

687
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: their life, you know what I mean. And once the

688
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: screws really get put to people, the test really begins,

689
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so, like I was saying,

690
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: we evaluate them. All the evolutions are evaluated, uh, personality traits,

691
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: things of that nature, leadership, followership, anything we can put

692
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: down on paper. We got all the open source tests

693
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: and a bunch of proprietary stuff for ourselves and then

694
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: they're finished the eight days, and then we do just

695
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: like in the military, we're calling a decompression where for

696
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: those who know when you're in like those really stressful

697
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: events and you come back out and you've got to

698
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: be reintegrated into the real Yeah, so with you know,

699
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: counseling coaching. The thing is, though, this is the kind

700
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: of another bolted on portion of the processes. It's about growth.

701
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: So we talked specifically about post traumatic growth on our website.

702
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: This is their their time to reflect, do some uh

703
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: introspective looking and figure out, Okay, well what do I

704
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: want to change. We're not saying everyone who shows up

705
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: is gonna want to change a lot of stuff, but

706
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: we all you know, well some people, growth minded people

707
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: want to do little tweaks every now and then, and

708
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: this is the time to do it. Once that difficulty

709
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: that trauma comes off, and then we hand over like

710
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: a package. Is basically we're calling like post post post

711
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: process profile, which is basically a book of you and

712
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: you can go through that and be like, okay, well

713
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit weak here, I'm strong here. I

714
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: like this about myself. Like we question everything for them,

715
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 1: and they question everything, so they can start thinking, Okay,

716
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: I want to go on this road, or I want

717
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: to go on this road. What do I want to

718
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: do with my life? What do I want to change?

719
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: Do I? Or they just made it through something insanely

720
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: difficult and that's all it is for them, going back

721
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: to turning people down. That's it's just such an unorthodox

722
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: business model that you have these dozens of people willing

723
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: to give you money to push them to the limit,

724
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: and you're going to turn them down and say, can't

725
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: do it. So right from the website on is designed

726
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: to be imposing. The websites black and white. We don't

727
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: use I know all about psychology. I know about the

728
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: psychology of words and how to lure people into you know,

729
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: giving me their money. I'm not worried about that exactly.

730
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: It's exactly that it's designed to make it almost difficult

731
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: to get in. But that's part of that challenge, you know,

732
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: facing fear, pushing people out of their comfort zone. So

733
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: right from the get go we start that. Then we

734
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: put them through an interview, stressful interview, and then they

735
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: can be chosen or not chosen based on this, and

736
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: you know they could maybe reapply. Some guys no, I'm

737
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: just not going to do it. You know, we we

738
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: we want to interview does another thing too, We don't

739
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: we don't want anyone with hostile intent showing up, any

740
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: kind of malicious mindset or anything like that. So we

741
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: were doing some filtering, you know what I mean. We

742
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: do police checks and things of that nature. Um. Yeah,

743
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: well can you talk about like what kind of events

744
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: or what kind of experience what are you plan on

745
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: putting these porcels through. So there'll be things like phobia testing,

746
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, environmental ones, water heights, confined spaces, public speaking,

747
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:58,959
Speaker 1: those uh, kind of the bigger ones done in kind

748
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: of fundament until approach where we look at you inside,

749
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: what makes the brain tick outside, how does the senses

750
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: absorb their world and stuff? And then we design these

751
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: challenges for them to go through. I unfortunately, I'm not

752
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: going to give you specifics because we want to want

753
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: to maintain the integrity of the program. But there's then

754
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: there's different portions some of it. We want them to

755
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: feel a little bit like a like a secret agent

756
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: would kind of feel, or a soldier or an a

757
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: SF soldier or a kidnapping victim of a terrorists. Yeah,

758
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: so there's scenarios and there there. It's a heuristic approach

759
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: to most of it. So they're kind of thrown into

760
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: the scenario and you know, sink or swim, they're observed personality,

761
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: their behavior. Plus when you leave that scenario that environment

762
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: at the time, they won't be able to learn anything

763
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: really in terms of what they just went through and

764
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: why they went through, but they'll have changed a little bit.

765
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: And that's the idea of it's a progressive linear eight days.

766
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: You know what. I'm curious, As I said, I watched

767
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: the video and a link to it. There is some

768
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: weaponry going on in the video. Um, gun laws in

769
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: Canada are very different from gun laws in the US.

770
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: Is that something you have to work around? Yeah, well,

771
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: people might find this a surprise. There are portions of

772
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: our gun laws that are much stricter, but there's a

773
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: lot that's not. Canada has a lot more area to

774
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: shoot people are I believe. I'm pretty sure I've read

775
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: this per capita Canada has more guns per person, like

776
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: I believe. Yeah, it's just people don't think of it

777
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: that way. You know, we we don't have knock on

778
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: wood as many gun incidents. You know, again, I feel

779
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: bad for that. You know, obviously it's not the gun.

780
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: I don't get the debate, but that's for another time.

781
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: But yes, we have to work around that. Uh, but

782
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: there's all the checks and balances in place for that

783
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: to make sure it's all legit and good to go. Well,

784
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: you know the guy that said one of their skills,

785
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, we'll do some home defense style stuff similar

786
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: to s QUB. It's all tailored too for the civilian experience,

787
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, those things that man might run into. You know,

788
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: it's more like zombie apocalypse levels, but it could be.

789
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, breaking and entering is not

790
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: an unlikely scenario. It's not impossible. Awesome, So how much

791
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: how long do you think before you have this off

792
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: the ground and ready to start receiving people. Oh well,

793
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: we already got a good chunk filled up, so you

794
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 1: have like like dates scheduled out. Yeah, so may tent

795
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: is a serial one. Uh yeah, we're it's it's tracking

796
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: along really well. When I when I said slow burn earlier,

797
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: I meant more like the vision of what it was

798
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: going to bright, like the metamorphosis. Yeah, and after serial one,

799
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: like we do you know, in a R take a

800
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: look at it and fix it and make it better

801
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: if need be. That's super cool. UM and the website

802
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: once again, the Special Forces Experience dot Com, especially if

803
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: you know, we have a lot of Canadian listeners. So

804
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: those guys up north who want to do this, who

805
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: want to see if they, you know, could have gone

806
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: through what you've gone through an inkling of it, I guess,

807
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: let's say, because as you said, you you'll never know

808
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: if you really could have become a Special Operations a

809
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: special operator, I should say, if I could just touch

810
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: on one thing, sure, this is for right now. It's

811
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: open to North America, so we have Americans signed up

812
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: as well, and it is being displayed around the world.

813
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: We do have a lot of interest, but we're just

814
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: kind of treading carefully right there right now, UM, but

815
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: for now, Yeah, we have Americans already signed up in Canadians.

816
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: And this also seems unlike any other program I I've

817
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: heard of, you know, operators who open their own type

818
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: of things. We've had some guys on the on the

819
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: show who have done that, but this is this is

820
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: definitely different. It's unique. Yeah, there's um, you know Travis,

821
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 1: he runs the UM. What's it called Adventure Combat opts

822
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: out in Las Vegas. Well, what he does, it's different.

823
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: It's more like like a zombie apocalypse kind of scenario

824
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: with air soft guns. Former operator himself, and I've been

825
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: out to his facility he has and it's super cool.

826
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's not what you're doing. It's different. Yeah.

827
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: We again, we bolted on a lot of pieces here,

828
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: and we wanted to give that uh you know, that

829
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: seal fit experience, something like that nature, you know where

830
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: guys want to go slug it out on that difficult side.

831
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: So we got that, but then we started throwing in

832
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: the psychology and the growth portion of it, and it

833
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: just started expanding, expanding, Uh what it became. And you're

834
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: running this out in Northern Canada. I shudder to think

835
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: what kind of torture you're gonna expose expose these people too.

836
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: I just got to bring him into the bush and

837
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: have him sit there and it's gonna suck. So exactly,

838
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: it's it's before mosquito season, I am mind. So yeah, there,

839
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: it's austine to say the least. Um, it's supposed to

840
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: be difficult. It's it's not equivalent to what we had

841
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: to go through our barriers of entry, and it's different, right,

842
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: Like SF selection is picking a man to do a

843
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: certain role. This this isn't a selection. It's it's an experience,

844
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: but with a quick function in it, which I think

845
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: just turns a lot of guys away right away, you

846
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, SF selection for us is

847
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: uh four weeks, so you're there for a month. And

848
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: I came right off of a deployment from to a rack,

849
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: went rolled right into selection without like any train up

850
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: for it or anything. I will lie it sucked. No,

851
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: you may smile afterwards. I'll laugh at it now that

852
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: years years later, but it sucked at the time. Yeah.

853
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: It definitely pushes you to the brink, you know. Uh

854
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 1: even ours ours is seven days. Like I was saying earlier,

855
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: it's a different design, but we get the same product

856
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: at the end. It's just what can happen in seven days?

857
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: It is pretty incredible. Let me ask you this too,

858
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: and this is there's going to be another difference. I'm

859
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: sure how many people started your selection course. Ah, roughly,

860
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: it's just it works out to be about the same

861
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: finish rate. About we just on the front end before

862
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: paperwork even gets processed, there's a lot less people coming in,

863
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: so we run usually three four cereals depending on the year,

864
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: all within a month because they're only a week long, right,

865
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's about the same thing once it's all

866
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: said and down about five to how many guys do

867
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: you think show up the first stat on like JT

868
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: F two. Uh, it's thirty Okay, my s F A

869
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: S class we started off, I would estimate close to

870
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: four hundred people. Yeah, and the attrition, I'd say we graduated, um,

871
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: same thing when I went through the Range indoctrination program,

872
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: I'd say we graduated maybe, and we started off with

873
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: a couple hundred. So I think the psychologists do a

874
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: really good job on the front end of ours when

875
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: they're picking the dudes coming in. We're trying to you

876
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: guys have the means. You guys are a big military

877
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: to run industrial grade. Yeah, but you can look at

878
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: people very closely individuals. Yeah, exactly, So we have that

879
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: luxury right when you're smaller. Uh. Plus, you guys are

880
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: running multiple serials a year, I believe. I think s

881
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: F A S runs like eleven courses a year, I believe.

882
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: So we front end load kind of a bit of

883
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: work on the psycho the psychology side of the house.

884
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: Do not waste in time. Well, you never know, right,

885
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: you don't know where he is. Paper can only do

886
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: so much. By that, I mean like the testing and

887
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: all that looking and observing on that level. But yeah,

888
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: the idea is kind of get it done a little quicker,

889
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: a little less energy intensive. Plus we don't we run

890
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: it in house. The operators have full control, kind of

891
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: like quality control if you will. But then you don't

892
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: want to be taken away from your operator pool to

893
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: run these kinds of things, you know what I mean,

894
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: We've got a laundry list of things to do, so

895
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 1: I like that. You know, it's a small professional force.

896
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: Um like some of the other countries I've looked at

897
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 1: in the past. Denmark is one the yagger core small

898
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: but highly professional counter terrorism unit some of the other

899
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: Scandinavian forces. I mean, it's a different approach, but um

900
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: it definitely has some advantages by comparison to the like

901
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: industrial scale UH special operations, the units that we run

902
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: here in the United States. It's just the manpower difference.

903
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are a million plus strong. I

904
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: assume at this point and the oh our military overall,

905
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: it's pushing that. It's pushing that, you know. It's like,

906
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: so you've got a huge pool. And if I'm not mistaken,

907
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: the seals still take from the civilian side. Uh, you

908
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: can sign up specifically to go to BUDS. So I'm

909
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: not sure exactly what the pipeline is right now. Maybe

910
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: they go to Navy basic training, I'm not sure, but

911
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,959
Speaker 1: but basically, yeah, they're coming off this so you guys

912
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: entice the guy off the street a little bit more.

913
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: Special Forces does that too, with the X ray program

914
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: or something like that. I'm not familiar with all that,

915
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: but in rangers, what am I talking about? So, yeah,

916
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: which I think should be done because what happens is

917
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: people are going, I don't want to do the grunt

918
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: side of the house, you know what I mean. And

919
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: I get that if you think you're gonna have to

920
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: be a cook for four years before you get to

921
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: apply exactly when you know what the end results you

922
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: want is. I mean, sometimes the experience on the front

923
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: end doesn't hurt because what you're about to encounter is difficult.

924
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it's it's different, but um,

925
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: I don't know One of our soft truths that we

926
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: have is that, you know, special operations can't be mass produced.

927
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: But I think we've violated that so many times during

928
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: the last seventeen years. Um. And I mean it's for

929
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, wartime expediency, but there are consequences for that. Yeah, Well,

930
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: have an Afghanistan and rack spark up at the same

931
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: time nearly two thousands really pushed those soft models to

932
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: the test, right where though it was where the dude

933
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: you that got the work done? Okay, we need more

934
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: of those dudes that well okay, well it's supposed to

935
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: be quality and not mass produced. Well no, no, we

936
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: need we need to get going. You know, a policy

937
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: decision has been made here folks like sure amount uh,

938
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: and they're still dealing with that. Um. You know in

939
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: the U. S. Military and uh down at the Special

940
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: Forces qualification course, they're always trying to like jigger with

941
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: things a little bit, tweak them and try to I

942
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like they're trying to reinvent the

943
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: wheel to some extent. But you know, I'm out of

944
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: the military, so those guys have to feel. Like I

945
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: was saying, I think the meat grinder usually turns out

946
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: very similar product. It's just about time, you know. I

947
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 1: think that would be the bigg assessment. Like you're saying,

948
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: yours takes four weeks the selection this selection course four weeks.

949
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: That's a lot of manpower, that's a lot of time.

950
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: That's a lot of money, you know, divided dedicated to that. Yeah.

951
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: The Special Warfare Center in school at four Bragg, I

952
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 1: mean that is like a huge unit and institution. That's

953
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 1: a big that's just a huge beast in of itself. Yeah,

954
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 1: where we're able to keep it a little bit later,

955
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: a little more hands on it. It does eat away

956
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: from other time, but yeah, it seems to be working

957
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: for us. It's cool, keep it going. I had a

958
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: question because of the fact that you're the first guy

959
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: we've had on from your particular background. It's almost the

960
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: most cliche question that we get at the website or

961
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: the you know podcast, is the last jack you know,

962
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm sixteen years old. They want to be

963
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: an army ranger. You know, what should I expect um?

964
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: What quality should I have? Or they'll email Brandon, you know,

965
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: I want to be a seal, so I guess for

966
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: and there there definitely are the kids listening who are

967
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: like fifteen sixteen, they want to do what you did.

968
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: What what do you think that they need to have?

969
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: Like physically mentally, I think you need to push out

970
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: of your comfort zone a lot to be able to

971
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: so that later on you can operate out of your

972
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: comfort zone. Your body will adapt to that, you know

973
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: what I mean, the way your your cortisol levels spike

974
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: and all that. You can start training that your your

975
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: your genes hold a bit of your character in them.

976
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: But you need to start, uh, like I said, ghet

977
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: out of that comfort zone. Find adversity. Like when I

978
00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: say adversity, it can be a difficult runs obstacle cour say,

979
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, climbing the mountain, like the whatever you want

980
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: to do that pushes you physically and mentally out of

981
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: your comfort zone so that when the suck of selections starts,

982
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm out of my comfort zone all the time,

983
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So maybe you didn't show

984
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: up physically ready to go, that's on you, but at

985
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,479
Speaker 1: least you're not you know, hair on fire, like what's

986
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: going on? You know, your your adrenaline systems just dumping

987
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: and you just head spinning, you know, what I mean. So, yeah,

988
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 1: put push outside your comfort zone whatever it is when

989
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: you feel into that fear, you know, I mean that

990
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: gut reaction you get where you're like that seems uncomfortable,

991
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: you know. Instead of shying away from those experiences, go

992
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: for it. The surprise element is is quite a bit

993
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: different too, because these kids could read tons of books

994
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: about what range of selection is, like, what buds is like.

995
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: As you said, there's not really books about going through

996
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, and becoming an operator and JTF two. Yeah,

997
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: and it is done for that exact reason, you know

998
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: what I mean. I could sit here and say, yeah,

999
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna have some shock and awe. You know, you

1000
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: could try to prep for that, but you when you

1001
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, it does something really profound

1002
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: to the mind, because the mind fills into its own gaps,

1003
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. When it doesn't know, we

1004
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: just start filling that void with our own thoughts and

1005
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: our own culture and well what what you're talking about?

1006
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: It sounds really stupid on one hand that the like

1007
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: using the unknown as a selection process, but I saw

1008
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: it when I was in selection myself, is that there

1009
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: are guys who cannot handle just sitting in the barracks

1010
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: and they don't know what the next event is and

1011
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: they'll quit. And that's exactly what I'm talking about, is

1012
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: that their heads racing. You know, they're thinking something, they're

1013
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: they're like self selecting. Yeah, exactly, and that's a big

1014
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: part of it, you know what I mean. There's one

1015
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've told this story before too, but

1016
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: I mean, again, it sounds stupid, but you can understand

1017
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: why they use it as a election tool. They got

1018
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: us used to do in two events a day, but

1019
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: then one night they drug us out of bed it

1020
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: was like two in the morning for a third event.

1021
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: And we get out there and they say be out

1022
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: here this time, this uniform, this much in your ruck

1023
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: sack with your packing list. Blah blah blah. Uh. They

1024
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: come out just like every other time. They say, Okay,

1025
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: it's a rock march for an undetermined time, for an

1026
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: undetermined distance. Follow the cones, go okay, start walking. They

1027
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: all we did was walk around the compound camp McCall

1028
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: back over to where the little theater is. There's a

1029
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: field out front. Had so we walked a grand total

1030
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: of you know, eight d They had us ground our

1031
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: ruck sacks and they had us take one item out

1032
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: of our ruck sack that was on our packing list.

1033
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: Is there your running shoes? Hold them up and they

1034
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: see if you have them, it's gay. You have it. Okay,

1035
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: pack it back up. Okay, you're done for the night.

1036
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: Go back. Like a couple of people quit right there.

1037
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: This can't take it anymore. And that sounds ridiculous too.

1038
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: I think people on the outside because they think that

1039
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: selection is like the guy quitting during like log PT,

1040
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: like I can't take it anymore. It's just too physically strenuous.

1041
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: But no, it's the unknown and what the hell is

1042
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: going on? And that really fucks with people. But I

1043
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: think it's a valid selection tool because you know, you've

1044
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: been deployed. How many times have you been deployed, and

1045
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: like you're on standby permission then it just gets shut

1046
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: down or you're out on an operation and what you

1047
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: expected to happen, what you expected to see when you

1048
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: got off the helicopter was not what was there the

1049
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: old stand by to stand by and it's going to change,

1050
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: so yeah, hold on. Yeah, So if you psychologically can't

1051
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: handle that kind of thing, then you have really no

1052
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: business being in a special operation, and you've got to

1053
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: keep that sense of humor with you too, you know

1054
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: what I mean, because everyone's going through that same ship,

1055
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, and as you know this, this can go

1056
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: on for weeks. Okay, on the bus, off the bus,

1057
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: on the bosk Okay, we're moving over here, we're doing

1058
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: and there's no routine, there's no norm. There's you know,

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Speaker 1: you and your voice. Uh, and you bring your skill,

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Speaker 1: you know, your drills and skills, but everything else is

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Speaker 1: almost out of your control. The enemy he has his

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Speaker 1: say of what's going to happen. You know. We we

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Speaker 1: do our best to get good in but it's just

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Speaker 1: all about the unknown. You prep a little bit. That's

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Speaker 1: why we always say working off principles and not drill

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Speaker 1: so much because it's gonna it's gonna change. Or maybe

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Speaker 1: it's just that a staging ground for a week, waiting

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Speaker 1: you can't have an assaulter just stand up and quit,

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Speaker 1: like I can't take this anymore. Yeah, and I quit

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Speaker 1: like no, wait, it's like you're you're an important member

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Speaker 1: of this team and it can't function with that out

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Speaker 1: without you, you know, so I think that's why it's

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Speaker 1: important to put those sorts of things into this selection process. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree that, Like just when you even I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's something kind of normal and normal life where it

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Speaker 1: just changes the routine a little bit in people's lives

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Speaker 1: and they're like they become all disheveled, like if your kids,

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Speaker 1: people listening picture holding that anxiety for a week, two weeks,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like you mentioned the guys

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Speaker 1: on D Day, you know, and they're getting stop dropped,

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Speaker 1: like the psychological toll that can have on on someone well,

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Speaker 1: you know, and the soft that's that's what we're dealing

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Speaker 1: with all the time. You you never know where your

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Speaker 1: deployments really are. Every now and then you get the

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Speaker 1: luxury of you know, you're watching something unfold and then okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: I know I'm heading there, and you know you're doing

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Speaker 1: all your workups dada, YadA, YadA. But that's not how

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Speaker 1: it usually works I mean I don't know offhand, but

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Speaker 1: I mean that the number of objectives that I was

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Speaker 1: on where we knew the bad guy was there, I

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01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: think that like never happened. I don't think we ever

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Speaker 1: knew exactly. Sometimes there's a flip a coin. I think

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Speaker 1: our int is gotten much better, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: Like we're talking about the two major theaters of war.

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Speaker 1: Have just push the envelope on what we can do.

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Speaker 1: So we're closer, but you just don't know. Well. Once again,

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Speaker 1: the website is the Special Forces Experience dot com. Um,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about what we're

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Speaker 1: up to, and then I have an email. It's a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a correction from a listener. Uh So

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Speaker 1: I'll get to that. But be sure to check out

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Speaker 1: With that, I guess we'll wrap this up with this

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Speaker 1: question and not really question correction really for something that

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Speaker 1: you said that someone wanted to mention. Uh, this is

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Speaker 1: from Greg. Hey, you guys, rock podcast as awesome as usual.

1153
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Speaker 1: Please tell Jack that Yankee White was a nickname for

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Speaker 1: the background investigation process for people in the White House.

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Speaker 1: Yankee White had nothing to do with communications. Jack might

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Speaker 1: be thinking about the Mystic Star Network. Keep up the

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Speaker 1: great work on the podcast. So I'm not actually not

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Speaker 1: even sure when that was mentioned, but um yeah I

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Speaker 1: do remember mentioning it. But um, I appreciate the email.

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Speaker 1: I'll go back and take a look for myself. See, uh,

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Speaker 1: maybe I need to tighten my shack group. I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing, because I've gotten plenty of corrections that

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Speaker 1: I've read on the air. It's like, we just do

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Speaker 1: this as you can see, like would have all this

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Speaker 1: research in front of us, So you're bound to get

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Speaker 1: something wrong. I know I have. So I'll go back

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Speaker 1: and take a look at it for sure. And we're

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Speaker 1: definitely not people who are like afraid to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: we got something wrong, you know, And I like when

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Speaker 1: the listeners point that stuff out. We like to stay

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Speaker 1: as accurate as possible. Um, So I guess with that. Man,

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Speaker 1: as they said, check out the website, the Special Forces

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Speaker 1: Experience dot com. And as you said, you don't need

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Speaker 1: to be UM in Canada, you could be in America

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Speaker 1: as well. And you're accepting guys from America right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to show up with any previous knowledge, skills,

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Speaker 1: anything like that. Just have to be a man. That's awesome, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming by, and Uh, anytime you

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Speaker 1: come through the city or even if you want to

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Speaker 1: call in, let us know. Man, I appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure. Awesome. We'll do this again. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and we'll have a new episode up on Wednesday. I

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Speaker 1: believe we have Wilcow coming in studio. I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: the yeah, which should be great because he's got a

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Speaker 1: he's got a Veterans Day event at EMMITL Looney's, which

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Speaker 1: go there, see your book on the ball of Brandon's

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Speaker 1: book and everybody, so good stuff. Thanks for coming in, Jef,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Man. You've been listening to Self Rep Radio.

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