Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. Oh, Mickey can't wait to get into
Speaker 1: this and Mick shots Everson Walls. Let me tell you,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to dive right in because, as you know,
Speaker 1: it is super Bowl week and Mickey sent me an
Speaker 1: email yesterday that has that goes. It was basically two
Speaker 1: emails in one. It's got so many topics. He wants
Speaker 1: to talk about, whether it's Super Bowl, whether it's quarterbacks
Speaker 1: being traded in this league, no matter, whether it's Missouri basketball.
Speaker 1: Now he won't get into Missouri. No, we're not getting
Speaker 1: into Missouri basketball. No, no, but and so Micky Mickey
Speaker 1: wants the floor to start off. Okay, Everson, but let's
Speaker 1: give you the floor first, because Mickey doesn't have the
Speaker 1: floor right now. Mickey, Everson, Mike, what's on your mind?
Speaker 1: Form my platform today? First of all, welcome to Black
Speaker 1: History Month, guys, right yo, So glad to have you here.
Speaker 1: I was gonna take over the show, and I think
Speaker 1: Spags knew that. That's why he sent you that list
Speaker 1: of subjects and didn't send me Jack. I don't even
Speaker 1: know what the henk we're gonna talk about today, but
Speaker 1: I do know I want to welcome you guys a
Speaker 1: Black History Month. Every show this month, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: a there ago a black something on. Even if it's
Speaker 1: just me, it's gonna be black something. So that's that's
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. You can't see me over on guys,
Speaker 1: take it away? Do you think ever since you can't
Speaker 1: see me but I've got a black pull over on today?
Speaker 1: Oh nice, welcome to the club. I'll wear it. I'll
Speaker 1: wear it every show this month and even beyond this month.
Speaker 1: Just blue doesn't count, right, I needed to be in black.
Speaker 1: Blue does not count. There is there are some blue
Speaker 1: black people in this world, but no, your blue does
Speaker 1: not count. And there's some black and blue people in
Speaker 1: this world. And I could think of at Mickey, Yah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where do you want to start? Well, you had a
Speaker 1: couple of topics too, so we got a lot of
Speaker 1: ground to cover, right, yes, exactly right? Uh and uh
Speaker 1: all right, let's how about we start with the news
Speaker 1: of the day yesterday. Get it out of the way
Speaker 1: to start with, because everything else is kind of Super
Speaker 1: Bowl and NFL related. But Jason Winton has landed a
Speaker 1: new job, and how many are surprise that we aren't surprised.
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. It is a coaching job, and I'm
Speaker 1: not surprised that it's at the high school level two
Speaker 1: at Liberty Christian School in Argyle, which is located north
Speaker 1: of Fort Worth in Denton County. I think, so it's
Speaker 1: right here in the metroplex for those of you who
Speaker 1: don't live in North Texas. And his kids, his four
Speaker 1: kids all go to school there. I don't know if
Speaker 1: the youngest is old enough to go to school yet,
Speaker 1: but I think the oldest boy is in seventh or
Speaker 1: eighth grade. Eighth and so he's the varsity head football
Speaker 1: eighth grade. Yes, And he's the varsity head football coach
Speaker 1: at Liberty Christian. So congratulations to him. To start things off.
Speaker 1: Liberty Christian is about I'm gonna say, five miles or
Speaker 1: so from where I live, and I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: for a private school, they've got some of the nicest
Speaker 1: facilities that I think I've seen at a school of
Speaker 1: that size. So there's some money in that school, believe me.
Speaker 1: And that used to be that used to be really
Speaker 1: good in the taps Um. They've fallen off these last
Speaker 1: couple of years, but they used to be. But they're
Speaker 1: about to get good again. Yes, yeah, And you know what,
Speaker 1: And I think most people on this missed the boat
Speaker 1: on well, why would he want to coach in high school? Well?
Speaker 1: Why not? Number one? That's where his kids are. Number two,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, if you're a high school coach, you have
Speaker 1: more effect on young people than you would in the
Speaker 1: NFL or even in college at these days, right, uh, next, uh,
Speaker 1: Now he he doesn't have to recruit. You go to college,
Speaker 1: you spend the whole year recruiting. Now he may recruit
Speaker 1: it a private school. I'm not gonna dismiss that possibility,
Speaker 1: revol right, but right now, his name, his name will
Speaker 1: do all the rending he needs exactly. He won't have
Speaker 1: to do any recruiting. His name will recruit for him.
Speaker 1: And then and then, you know, you coach in college, boy,
Speaker 1: that's a long haul year for you. And in the NFL,
Speaker 1: does he want to show up at six or seven
Speaker 1: in the morning and work till ten at night as
Speaker 1: an assistant tight ends coach. I don't think so. So.
Speaker 1: I think he's gone to where kind of his family
Speaker 1: roots are. His grandfather was a head high school coach,
Speaker 1: his brother's high school head coach. And I just think
Speaker 1: it's a natural thing. If you're going to have a
Speaker 1: family and you have four kids that are that young,
Speaker 1: probably want to be around him because you probably weren't
Speaker 1: around him as much as you wanted to when you
Speaker 1: were playing. I just think it's a perfect fit. I
Speaker 1: Grease Fast. That's one of the things that we talked
Speaker 1: about you a call when we first, you know, contemplated
Speaker 1: with leaving the NFL. We talked about Tennessee like him
Speaker 1: going back to the University of Tennessee. I never thought
Speaker 1: that would be a good fit for him. I think
Speaker 1: I even expressed it at the time that you guys
Speaker 1: brought it up. You know, it's tough, like you said,
Speaker 1: moving the kids, moving the family from a place in
Speaker 1: Dallas where you have been for a long time and
Speaker 1: where you've made your name. Why not stay in this
Speaker 1: area and once against facts, you did all this plane
Speaker 1: you did all I mean seventeen eighteen years, then you
Speaker 1: end up going to Vegas, you know, just trying to
Speaker 1: squeeze out one more year to see what that team
Speaker 1: could do, what kind of promise they would have. And
Speaker 1: you know that's enough. I'm sure his wife and his
Speaker 1: family were. They were very grateful to know that he
Speaker 1: was not going to leave the state of Texas because
Speaker 1: I think as far as his family is concerned, they
Speaker 1: don't know much about Tennessee. I know they have, I'm
Speaker 1: sure family there. You know, he's got his legacy there
Speaker 1: in regards to college, but when it comes to his
Speaker 1: professional career, this is where Jason Witt has made his home,
Speaker 1: and this is where his families feel uncomfortable. His name
Speaker 1: will bring in as much notoriety to the Liberty Universe
Speaker 1: or Liberty High School that they can. It's going to
Speaker 1: be an amazing Like I said, why leave the area.
Speaker 1: I think he can influence so many high school kids
Speaker 1: much more than he could some college kids. And let
Speaker 1: me throw in a couple of other things on this
Speaker 1: and we'll move on to what's on Mickey's long list.
Speaker 1: Here Sean Payton, when he had his exile under suspension
Speaker 1: from the New Orleans Saints, his kids went to Liberty
Speaker 1: Christian here in Argyle, and he was a volunteer coach
Speaker 1: during that season while the NFL season was going on.
Speaker 1: That is where Sean Payton spent his time during that
Speaker 1: season with his kids. He was helping coach the football
Speaker 1: team that year. And the other thing is keep in
Speaker 1: mind Doug Peterson and his resume. After playing in the
Speaker 1: National Football League, he retired at age thirty seven. He
Speaker 1: went back home to Shreveport, Louisiana, and it was an
Speaker 1: upstart private school, Calvary Baptist Academy. He was the head
Speaker 1: coach there right after retiring from the NFL for four years.
Speaker 1: Did that for four years and then was hired by
Speaker 1: Andy Reid as an assistant coach in oh nine with
Speaker 1: the Eagles. Followed him to Kansas City, and by twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen he was a head coach in the National Football
Speaker 1: League and a couple of years later he wins the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl as the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1: So just because Jason Witton is coaching at the high
Speaker 1: school level right now, you know a few years from now,
Speaker 1: we'll see it doesn't rule out. In fact, it can
Speaker 1: be a perfect situation for him to from a family
Speaker 1: standpoint and stay in coaching, and even if it's at
Speaker 1: the high school level, there are things you are learning
Speaker 1: to do as a coach and managing people that will
Speaker 1: prepare him for any head coaching jobs at a higher
Speaker 1: level that he might want to pursue in the future.
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, and what you want to go to
Speaker 1: I was going to also add, you know, there's been
Speaker 1: a couple other former Cowboy players go into high school coaching.
Speaker 1: George Tigue is still doing it, right, Um, yep, George
Speaker 1: is more like an athletic director right at JP two. Right.
Speaker 1: And then you know Bill Bates did it also in
Speaker 1: Florida when he went back in Jacksonville. As a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, his Yeah, he wasn't the head coach, but
Speaker 1: he was a coach there when Tim Tebow was at
Speaker 1: his high school. By the way, Yep, that's true. That's
Speaker 1: very truce bags. I happen to know a little bit
Speaker 1: about that. Let's not forget about Dion Sanders at his
Speaker 1: high school. Now he's a Jackson State and he's doing
Speaker 1: that's gonna be amazing for the Swack, for the Southwestern
Speaker 1: Athletic Conference. But let's just be real, Dion ain't trying
Speaker 1: to stay at Jackson State. We know where Dion wants
Speaker 1: to go, so let's just be real about that. But
Speaker 1: I do appreciate him for the time that he's going
Speaker 1: to spend at the HBCUs because the swack and all
Speaker 1: HBCUs could clearly use that type of influence, that type
Speaker 1: of notoriety to help bring a little bit more you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit more money and exposure to the HBCUs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and the timing of that, he waited. You know,
Speaker 1: his kids are now college age, and so he got
Speaker 1: his son is going to play for him at Jackson
Speaker 1: State and then and then when the Florida State job opens,
Speaker 1: he'll follow him to Florida States. At the idea, I
Speaker 1: believe that is. I believe that is if if Florida
Speaker 1: States his son, right, be honest, it's a package deal.
Speaker 1: It's a pack This is the reverse package deal, right,
Speaker 1: the son sides and brings dad alone. And by the way,
Speaker 1: another another recent to Cowboys player, John Kitten, is coaching
Speaker 1: at the high school ranks. Uh. He's now at Burlison
Speaker 1: Centennial and coached his son, who, by the way, is
Speaker 1: going to the University of Florida. I believe to play quarterback.
Speaker 1: So anyway, there's and he's got about four sons that
Speaker 1: are all athletes. Got more coming up in the ranks there.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, Nie, let's let's do this your list,
Speaker 1: let's do this. Let's let's uh kind of talk about
Speaker 1: the big trade, the quarterback shuffle with Matthew Stafford going
Speaker 1: to the Rams and Goff going to the Lions. Uh
Speaker 1: in that trade? Uh, anybody surprised by that? I think
Speaker 1: the only thing I was surprised is how much Detroit
Speaker 1: God trading Matthew step not only a starting quarterback, but
Speaker 1: two first round picks in the third round pick? Does
Speaker 1: that let you know just how disappointed the coaches were
Speaker 1: in Jared Golf playing with the Rams. I mean, even
Speaker 1: though he tried his best to go in that playoff game.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a little bit hobbled with the thumb
Speaker 1: on his throwing hands. I think it's clear that the
Speaker 1: playoff game had nothing to do with them releasing or
Speaker 1: at least trading for Matthew Stafford, because Jared Golf at
Speaker 1: one point during the season, I said, about halfway during
Speaker 1: the season, the Rams were looking good. They were the
Speaker 1: favorites to win the NFC, even over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
Speaker 1: and they were even talking about how this team's offense
Speaker 1: was doing as just as efficient as Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packerd so early on, even after they
Speaker 1: signed Jared Golf to a big contract, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: and then for him to lose favor like that, to me,
Speaker 1: it's I'm not surprised that they got rid of him,
Speaker 1: but that not only did they give up a lot,
Speaker 1: I'm also surprised that they that they would get rid
Speaker 1: of him so soon. It was just last year they
Speaker 1: showed this guy up, you know, with some good money,
Speaker 1: thinking that this is going to be the favorites to
Speaker 1: go to the super Bowl, with the coach being an
Speaker 1: amazing coach, having every surgence as a player. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden he's out, just like that. With this amazing,
Speaker 1: amazing defense that he has to play alongside with, he
Speaker 1: was clearly a disappointment. And I'm sure somebody like a
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, what do you think Dak Prescott's thinking right now? Well,
Speaker 1: I'll tell what do you think he's saying? Well, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what the Cowboys are thinking. And this is
Speaker 1: what people out there. I wrote about it on Friday.
Speaker 1: You know it's like, well, why having the Cowboys signed back?
Speaker 1: Just sign him. You know, he deserves the money. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys know he deserves the money. But these quarterback deals
Speaker 1: are are really fickle sometimes right, and they're tedious, and
Speaker 1: you better be right and not only right, but you
Speaker 1: gotta structure it right too, because there was a cost
Speaker 1: to both teams to do this switcher roof. If you
Speaker 1: look at the ramifications of the salary cap. Now I
Speaker 1: understand that the Rams wanted to don salary cap money,
Speaker 1: but they also uh inherited salary cap structure by by
Speaker 1: by releasing Jared Goff at such an early time, they
Speaker 1: incurred to do this. Now I had gone back and look,
Speaker 1: if they had just released Jared Goff, they would have
Speaker 1: incurred sixty five million dollars in dead money. As it stands,
Speaker 1: because they traded them and so they got rid of
Speaker 1: some of the guaranteed base salaries. They incurred twenty two
Speaker 1: point two million in dead money, and by trading for Stafford,
Speaker 1: they inherited his contract. Now this can be reworked, and
Speaker 1: they've got time because none of this is official to
Speaker 1: March seventeenth, but they also if they just inherit his
Speaker 1: contract for the next two years, it's nineteen million dollars
Speaker 1: in base money, So that means almost forty two million
Speaker 1: they stuffed into a salary cap that they don't have
Speaker 1: room for. So they're gonna have to work on doing
Speaker 1: either a rework contract or signing him to an extension,
Speaker 1: which is going to put more money into their salary.
Speaker 1: And the same thing for Detroit, they suffered nineteen million
Speaker 1: dollars in dead money. Now his cap number was thirty
Speaker 1: three million this year Staffords was, so they saved a
Speaker 1: little bit money there, but they also have nineteen million
Speaker 1: and dead money. So I know when teams say, well
Speaker 1: we saved this and this, I don't care what you saved.
Speaker 1: You just spent nineteen million dollars to unload your quarterback
Speaker 1: for a quarterback that the Rams didn't want anymore. So
Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys look at this. But
Speaker 1: the Rams, assuming that nothing changes what Stafford's contract, they're
Speaker 1: gonna be thirty million dollars over the cap and they've
Speaker 1: got to start doing some cutting before in March seventeenth.
Speaker 1: So my point is this is why the Cowboys look
Speaker 1: at Dak's contract and go, okay, we gotta be careful here.
Speaker 1: We can just be cavalierly throwing around all this money
Speaker 1: because you never know what these quarterbacks uh and and
Speaker 1: boy it it'll you know, it'll bite you if you're wrong.
Speaker 1: And even if you're right, it's gonna bite you somewhere
Speaker 1: else against the salary cap. So that is why this
Speaker 1: is taking so long for the Cowboys to figure out. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe Annheuser Busch has just helped the Cowboys by signing
Speaker 1: Dak to a new endorsement contract. I see is being reported, right,
Speaker 1: that's gotta be worth subted, right. Maybe he doesn't need
Speaker 1: as much money on his football contract. So that's why
Speaker 1: Annheuser Busch is not doing any commercials at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: They had to pay Dad and all have money on Dack.
Speaker 1: They have to save them money. They have to save
Speaker 1: them money for the future contracts. Hey, so Spags, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna this is gonna be my wall
Speaker 1: shot right here, because this is just what the NFL deserves.
Speaker 1: Ye know, I was a union rep. We fought for
Speaker 1: players to get all the money that they need and
Speaker 1: that you can the teams can afford to pay you.
Speaker 1: But what happened along with the Union trying to make
Speaker 1: us rise up was all these smart agents who you know,
Speaker 1: were drafting these quarterbacks, the Lee Steinberg's, you know, all
Speaker 1: of those guys who really start to influence the league
Speaker 1: a lot with their clients and the signings that there
Speaker 1: was clients began to receive. I think quarterbacks are extremely
Speaker 1: overrated and overhyped pretty much on every team in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Not only are they overhyped in regards to the league,
Speaker 1: I think we give them too much preference in regards
Speaker 1: to a what it's supposed to be a team game.
Speaker 1: And I'm getting a little pissed off when all we
Speaker 1: hear about is Okay, super Bowls coming up, our playoffs
Speaker 1: coming up, this matchup is coming up. Well, who's the
Speaker 1: matchup between or It's not between the Cowboys and the
Speaker 1: Washington team. No, No, it's against the quarterbacks of those
Speaker 1: teams along with the other guys. You know. To me,
Speaker 1: when you have a team that's powerful, that's powerful enough
Speaker 1: to get into the super Bowl or team and make
Speaker 1: it into the playoffs, you can't do it with the
Speaker 1: one man band. You've got to have those guys stepping
Speaker 1: up for you, and we seem to as a nation
Speaker 1: and as a narrative for this league, we seem to
Speaker 1: put so much emphasis on these quarterbacks. So therefore, not
Speaker 1: only do they garner sometimes unwarranted leadership, unwarranted endorsements, unwarranted
Speaker 1: huge contracts, and you have brothers on the offensive line,
Speaker 1: defensive line, defensive backs, linebackers who are bawling out. Let's
Speaker 1: me say it like this. Average quarterbacks can ask for
Speaker 1: way more than they deserve just because of the position,
Speaker 1: not how good they are. So you have the emphasis
Speaker 1: on this particular person and this position, and yet you
Speaker 1: got these players that are balling out around you, pulling
Speaker 1: you out of the fire as many times as you
Speaker 1: have been successful. So to me, I think we have
Speaker 1: gotten into this culture of well, that's our leader. Hell no,
Speaker 1: that's not money I had. I had quarterbacks on my
Speaker 1: team that were good, but I wouldn't call them my leader.
Speaker 1: You understand. I had guys on my defense that led me.
Speaker 1: And I think that when we have started with this
Speaker 1: quarterback club thing that they started back in the eighties,
Speaker 1: late eighties and early nineties, to our quarterbacks are garden
Speaker 1: and I know, it's just quarterback club, and you've got
Speaker 1: other positions in quarterback club. It started off with the
Speaker 1: premises of quarterbacks getting the preferential treatment on and off
Speaker 1: the field, giving benefit of the doubt on TV doing
Speaker 1: proadcasts all the time. Oh well, Aaron Rodgers threw that
Speaker 1: ball away. We must have been that wide receiver ran
Speaker 1: the wrong route. That's not necessarily true. So I get
Speaker 1: kind of upset that we are changing the narrative of
Speaker 1: a team game into a popularity contest, which really sides
Speaker 1: quarterbacks to get more money than they really should be getting.
Speaker 1: And this is coming from a former Union rep. And Bill,
Speaker 1: let me make two points before we he go to
Speaker 1: a break and just talking about what Everson said. You know,
Speaker 1: I understand Tom Brady, I understand his value, right, but
Speaker 1: that Tampa defense pulled his butt out of that last
Speaker 1: championship game in the conference. He threw three interceptions right,
Speaker 1: Todd Bowl Todd ball right exactly. And then my other
Speaker 1: point is when you got to be careful with these
Speaker 1: these these quarterback contracts. Looked what's going on in Houston
Speaker 1: right now with Deshaun Watson. Suddenly he's upset and he
Speaker 1: wants out right, well, to cut him it or release
Speaker 1: him now before June one, it would cost Houston sixty
Speaker 1: seven million dollars in dead money. Do you think it's
Speaker 1: any coincidence that the new GM said, no, we don't
Speaker 1: want to get rid of them, and if they trade them,
Speaker 1: it's twenty one point six million in dead money. So
Speaker 1: that's why the price for trade in one of these quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: you get so much back because of the money dump
Speaker 1: that's involved in this whole thing. So that has a
Speaker 1: lot to do what's going on with some of these trades.
Speaker 1: But you gotta be careful with these quarterbacks because they
Speaker 1: get upset and then they they they basically hold up
Speaker 1: the entire franchise. Right, It's like, Okay, I gotta have
Speaker 1: my way. I want to pick the GM, I want
Speaker 1: to pick the head coach. And if you don't acquiesce
Speaker 1: to them and you give in, I'll guarantee you. And
Speaker 1: Everson knows this. The line starts out the door at
Speaker 1: the owner's office. Right, Okay, I'm next. I'm not happy. J. J. Watt.
Speaker 1: I want to go play for somebody that wins. This
Speaker 1: ain't the NBA, right, You cannot manipulate the salary cap
Speaker 1: you way you can. In the NBA, it got a
Speaker 1: lot of you are right on the quarterback and how
Speaker 1: you structure the deal. Okay, so Nette, let me tease
Speaker 1: the rest of the show this way. All right, all right,
Speaker 1: we've got a big news story of the week. Jared
Speaker 1: Goff traded for Matthew Stafford. We've got Patrick Mahomes versus
Speaker 1: Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. See that. Listen to that?
Speaker 1: What I just say? All right here, you're killing me
Speaker 1: a little comparison Jared Goff. Jared Goff against the Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers Sunday before Thanksgiving completed thirty nine out of
Speaker 1: fifty one passes for three hundred and fifty yards and
Speaker 1: three touchdowns in a twenty seven, twenty four Rams win
Speaker 1: that made the Rams seven and three on the season.
Speaker 1: What Everson was talking about earlier, The Rams were actually
Speaker 1: playing very well at that point of the season. Okay.
Speaker 1: The next week, Patrick Mahomes in the Chiefs go to
Speaker 1: that same stadium at Tampa and Patrick Mahomes was thirty
Speaker 1: seven out of forty nine for four hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: yards and three touchdowns, same as Golf in a twenty seven,
Speaker 1: twenty four Kansas City win over Tampa Bay, the exact
Speaker 1: same score as the Rams win the week before. Here
Speaker 1: we are two months later. Jared Goff is headed to Detroit.
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is headed back to Tampa for Super Bowl
Speaker 1: fifty five, a super Bowl that is being called by
Speaker 1: CBS analyst Tony Romo a generational matchup of quarterbacks, Everson
Speaker 1: This would be like Michael Jordan against Lebron James in
Speaker 1: an NBA Finals. We've got much more to come here
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Speaker 1: ninety one, a trip every Lane with Everson Walls. When
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Speaker 1: We'll welcome back here to mix shots. Bill Jones, Everson
Speaker 1: Walls and Mickey Spagnola getting you ready for the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl fifty five matchup. It's Mahomes versus Brady Ever, so
Speaker 1: you're still there. Let's go back in time, Mickey, to
Speaker 1: a time. Oh, it was a little while ago, but
Speaker 1: it was the good old days when we weren't talking
Speaker 1: about quarterback matchups in a Super Bowl. We were talking
Speaker 1: about cornerback matchups in a Super Bowl in Tampa nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety one. Take us back in time, Mickey, Yes, absolutely so.
Speaker 1: If my math is right, that's thirty years ago, right,
Speaker 1: kind of an anniversary here. It was Super Bowl twenty five.
Speaker 1: I believe it was January twenty seventh and one. Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: playing for the New York Football Giants, went into Tampa
Speaker 1: Stadium against the Buffalo Bills in in that Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and I just kind of stumbled across this. It was
Speaker 1: a twenty nineteen victory for the Giants, and for some reason,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was looking up, but I
Speaker 1: found this quote from Bill Belichick after the game, and
Speaker 1: he would have been the Giants defensive coordinator in that game,
Speaker 1: and Belichick was quoted as saying, we wouldn't have won
Speaker 1: the game if Walls didn't make that tackle. And I
Speaker 1: was at the game, by the way, I was covering it.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, when Scott Norwood was kicking
Speaker 1: the field goal at the end to try to win
Speaker 1: it that he missed. It was right on deadline for
Speaker 1: the newspaper for the Times Herald and everybody else had
Speaker 1: time to go down right to go do interviews. I
Speaker 1: was right on deadline, and I remember standing in my
Speaker 1: seat leaning out the window of the press box to
Speaker 1: watch this field goal to see if it was gonna
Speaker 1: be good or not. Right, That was my memory of
Speaker 1: that game. But what Belichick was talking about was with
Speaker 1: a minute forty eight left in the game, Buffalo was
Speaker 1: on their nineteen yard line. It was third and inches,
Speaker 1: and they tried a kind of counter handoff to Thurman Thomas,
Speaker 1: who went twenty two yards and had not one Everson
Speaker 1: Walls made the tackle on that play. Thurman Thomas looks
Speaker 1: like he's going for a touchdown from the video I saw.
Speaker 1: When you see the play, there is nobody behind Everson
Speaker 1: Walls if he doesn't make that tackle. And Belichick went
Speaker 1: on to say also afterwards, that was the play of
Speaker 1: the game, and I think we have video of it.
Speaker 1: We might be able to show at least the tackle
Speaker 1: along with uh Afterwards, after Scott Norwood miss the field goal,
Speaker 1: Everson Walls making his celebration that ended up on the
Speaker 1: cover of Sports Illustrated, by the way, and as a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I want to show you what I
Speaker 1: got here. This is the game program from that Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and so I'm looking through it to see where's Everson
Speaker 1: Wall's picture and everything. Well, you know what, I've got
Speaker 1: two of them if if and when we show together again, right.
Speaker 1: But the weird thing was is if you remember there
Speaker 1: was a week there was only one week between the game.
Speaker 1: There was not two weeks, So everything in this program
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with either team playing in the game.
Speaker 1: I'm looking through it, I'm going, what the hell? Right?
Speaker 1: And then I got I reminded myself that they won
Speaker 1: in San Francisco on a Sunday and flew all night
Speaker 1: to Tampa and guy in early on Monday morning. So
Speaker 1: I just thought we'd asked eversonce. So do you remember
Speaker 1: the play the way I described it and what was
Speaker 1: going where did you line up and what was going
Speaker 1: through your mind on that snap? No? It was you
Speaker 1: know at that time, Buffalo was the greatest show on turf, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they were bawling. They had blown out Miami
Speaker 1: and Oakland the consecutive playoff games like fifty something to something,
Speaker 1: forty four to nothing. I mean they were bawling. I
Speaker 1: think that year we were the only ones to keep
Speaker 1: Buffalo under twenty points all season. I could be wrong
Speaker 1: about nineteen ninety, but they beat us. They beat us
Speaker 1: seventeen to like fourteen in Jersey, and so we knew
Speaker 1: what we had in store for us. So here we
Speaker 1: are two minutes to go, basically a two minute drill,
Speaker 1: and what we had done all game long was to
Speaker 1: keep them at bay. You know, no big plays because
Speaker 1: big players are gonna kill you, and they're gonna kill
Speaker 1: you morale. So Belichick had us play in that fashion.
Speaker 1: The only thing that surprised me about that game was
Speaker 1: the fact that he had me calling the plays the
Speaker 1: entire game they played. We played pretty much Nickel and
Speaker 1: Dime the entire game. So I was back at safety,
Speaker 1: which is what I usually am on Nickel and Dime.
Speaker 1: So they're going no huddle on Buffalo side. We needed
Speaker 1: someone to be in the secondary to make those calls.
Speaker 1: He chose me. I think I was the oldest one
Speaker 1: back there at the time, and so during that play,
Speaker 1: during that drive, the handoff was easy to see. Backs
Speaker 1: the beginning of that Amba defense, right, we talked about
Speaker 1: that Amiba defense. Belichick comes up with, well, we only
Speaker 1: had one defensive lineman in the game, so when the
Speaker 1: handoff was made, the hole was easy to make. We
Speaker 1: only had three lines, three down players, only one was
Speaker 1: a lineman, so he's coming right at me. I saw
Speaker 1: it right away, so I never took my drop to
Speaker 1: go to cover two. When I recognized what was happening.
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure it wasn't a fleet flicker,
Speaker 1: so I just go running up. But I saw where
Speaker 1: he had already crossed a line of scrimmage. I'm coming up,
Speaker 1: and according to Thermon Thomas, I talked to him like
Speaker 1: almost ten years after this play, he said he never
Speaker 1: saw me. Spags. He said, he never saw me. And
Speaker 1: that's one of those things about football to where you
Speaker 1: can be too smart. Sometimes he didn't. He didn't expect
Speaker 1: me to be there because they knew what the defense
Speaker 1: would be. We were predictable. It's to cover two. All
Speaker 1: he's thinking is, once I get by those linebackers, my
Speaker 1: eyes are going to work. I can score a touchdown
Speaker 1: because the safeties are gonna be half to field. Well,
Speaker 1: I wasn't half to feel. I chose not to because
Speaker 1: I recognized it. And when I came up and made
Speaker 1: the play, although it was twenty two yards down, the
Speaker 1: field covered that ground very quickly. I did not know
Speaker 1: its twenty two yards Fags. He covered that ground extremely quickly.
Speaker 1: Next thing you know, he's on me and I make
Speaker 1: a pretty unspectacular tapple. It's just the fact that we
Speaker 1: were able to bring him down and so I didn't
Speaker 1: know what was behind me. You mentioned that Parcels was asked,
Speaker 1: what would happen if Everson Walls misses that plate and
Speaker 1: h he's They asked, what do you think mil and
Speaker 1: Gotton would have caught it? And they said, yes, maybe
Speaker 1: in the parking lot. That's what parselves response was. So
Speaker 1: he was thinking about how you would think his fads
Speaker 1: in regards to that game, in regards to that place.
Speaker 1: So how fitting it? How fitting is this you guys
Speaker 1: for for Everson Wall's career, you know, not recruited to college,
Speaker 1: wasn't drafted in the NFL, had to fight for everything
Speaker 1: it gets. So I read about the play and I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta go find it. So I found the official
Speaker 1: play by play of the Super Bowl and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: going through here looking for the play, and all I
Speaker 1: was looking for was a Thurman Thomas run and an
Speaker 1: Everson Walls tackle right, and I'm going through and going
Speaker 1: through and the game's over and I where's the tackle?
Speaker 1: So I'd looked and they credited the tackle to not
Speaker 1: twenty eight fifty eight Carl Banks. He's on the other side.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't even in the place that well maybe he
Speaker 1: jumped in and head an assist and they gave no,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was a solo diving tackle. But Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: if you ever go back in history to look for
Speaker 1: your tackle, it is not on the play by play sheet.
Speaker 1: I got one more thing forace bags, because you've got
Speaker 1: the official play by play. I think it was Dan Diodoff, Yeah,
Speaker 1: was the color commentator. And you know, once again, this
Speaker 1: whole quarterback thing, there was never an emphasis on how
Speaker 1: important for tackle was during the play because all they
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about was how Jim Kelly was in
Speaker 1: the in position to leave them down the field. So
Speaker 1: just the tone deafness of some commentators can be, you know,
Speaker 1: different ways. Dick Lynch, the former Diglitz, the Great Diglitz,
Speaker 1: the commentator for the New York Giants, he ended up
Speaker 1: actually giving me way. If you go back and listen
Speaker 1: to his broadcast of that play, he literally calls it
Speaker 1: out right there. He said, I might have saved the game.
Speaker 1: He said that right there. So it's just funny how
Speaker 1: you have different commentators looking at these games. But that
Speaker 1: was old school. When you're talking about Bill. There was
Speaker 1: no Jeff Hostetler versus Jim Kelly. Necessarily in that game,
Speaker 1: the hight wasn't the way it is right now. And
Speaker 1: if you want to go back to where how the
Speaker 1: mentality was in New York MVP of by season and
Speaker 1: the MVP of that game was a running back in O. J. Anderson.
Speaker 1: So that's why I know I know this is that
Speaker 1: was nineteen ninety one and it is what it is today.
Speaker 1: But nothing to me has changed. Defense still wins ball games,
Speaker 1: and that's how we ended up dominating that entire season.
Speaker 1: We got more cheers for an eighty yard touchdown, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: We got more cheers for a sack on third and
Speaker 1: two and turning the ball over then we would get
Speaker 1: for an eighty yard touchdown. That's the mentality that they
Speaker 1: had in New Jersey at that time. And you know
Speaker 1: in the video the video I saw and I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I thought it was Dan Dear Dorri's voice.
Speaker 1: It might have been the it was pieced together, so
Speaker 1: it could have been the radio guy for the Giants
Speaker 1: of the time. But they did say a great open
Speaker 1: field tackle by Everson Walls. That's dig Lynch. That would
Speaker 1: be dig Lynch right there. That's right. And then of
Speaker 1: course what I remember from that was Scott Norwood missfield goal. Okay,
Speaker 1: but the twenty to nineteen game, and then from that
Speaker 1: season two, Everson, you talk about defense. It just here
Speaker 1: we are thirty years later, and what sticks in my
Speaker 1: mind is the fifteen thirteen win in the conference championship
Speaker 1: game over San Francisco, you know, and they kept Joe
Speaker 1: Montana off the field, by the way, and that was
Speaker 1: the difference in that game. Mother knocked him off the
Speaker 1: field at the time the game was over. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: one other memory from that Super Bowl covering it. It
Speaker 1: was during the Gulf War, by the way, and I
Speaker 1: remember before the game, those Blackhawk helicopters were flying over
Speaker 1: the stadium. They had cleared the airspace. They were circling
Speaker 1: the stadium and they had the side doors to the
Speaker 1: helicopter open and you could see open. You could see
Speaker 1: the guns pointing out that door. Uh. And it was
Speaker 1: like it was it was chilling to see that. And
Speaker 1: I remember the national anthem was pretty emotional also, uh
Speaker 1: that game. And the other thing I remember, I was
Speaker 1: able to get two tickets to the game and my
Speaker 1: sister brought my dad to the game. And he got
Speaker 1: to watch a Super Bowl in the stadium. He had
Speaker 1: failing eyesight, but he could hear it and he could
Speaker 1: my sister can interpret to him. And it was a
Speaker 1: pretty neat day. That's Sunday for me. That's nice facts,
Speaker 1: that's good stuff like that. Brother, And he got to
Speaker 1: see the Jiant. Well he can't possibly see the Giants
Speaker 1: kick ass, right, So that's that's a that That was
Speaker 1: a great, great day for everybody all the way around.
Speaker 1: I was saying, And now we go back to Tampa,
Speaker 1: a new stadium U for this Super Bowl fifty five
Speaker 1: on Sunday. Hey, guys, we gotta take a break. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I've lost contact with you, and so I
Speaker 1: am going to toss it to break. Okay, I've lost contact.
Speaker 1: But now when you think about it, it's facts that game.
Speaker 1: The way the security was in that game, that was
Speaker 1: the first game where we were. It depicted how we
Speaker 1: had our security evolved in the in consequent games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: long lines, you know, extra security, extra wanding and everything.
Speaker 1: I remember my family was there, came for the game,
Speaker 1: and my sister was sick, my mom was sick, and
Speaker 1: my mom decided not to come and my sister. She
Speaker 1: braved it out and she almost painted in line because
Speaker 1: it was hot. It was hot, and it was a long,
Speaker 1: long line. It took a while in line in that
Speaker 1: long line, and she was she she was able to
Speaker 1: make it in by the grace of God. But that's
Speaker 1: how much they wanted to see that baby brother kicks
Speaker 1: some ass. So there's your walk down memory lane, and
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Speaker 1: or so of Mick Shots before Super Bowl Sunday, and
Speaker 1: it is Hall of Fame Saturday coming up on Saturday,
Speaker 1: of course. Traditionally, in a normal Super Bowl week, on Saturday,
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame Committee all convene on the Saturday
Speaker 1: before the game. They spend all day discussing the candidates
Speaker 1: and in person of course, in the Super Bowl city,
Speaker 1: and then on Saturday night, on what has now turned
Speaker 1: into Super Bowl Saturday Night, the Hall of Fame class
Speaker 1: is presented. But late that afternoon, David Baker, the President
Speaker 1: of the Hall of Fame, will go by the hotel
Speaker 1: rooms of the finalists and inform them that they have
Speaker 1: made it into the Hall of Fame I think there's
Speaker 1: a one hundred percent chance that Drew Pearson is going
Speaker 1: to go into the Hall of Fame and find out Saturday. Please, man,
Speaker 1: we had enough trauma these days. You know, they did
Speaker 1: a virtual discussion a couple of weeks ago. There was
Speaker 1: a fan vote that ended on January thirty first, and Mickey,
Speaker 1: I'm unclear on whether how much discussion they still need
Speaker 1: to do on Saturday, if any. I think I think
Speaker 1: that they went ahead and voted at the end of
Speaker 1: that discussion a couple of weeks ago. But I may
Speaker 1: be wrong, but I think, you know, David Baker has
Speaker 1: made it a habit, even last year when he surprised
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson on the set at Fox, where you know
Speaker 1: he wants to make the presentation to people. I just
Speaker 1: would not be surprised if David Baker winds up at
Speaker 1: Drew Pearson's doorstep here in Dallas and uh and makes
Speaker 1: a presentation to him at some point later in the week. Well,
Speaker 1: I would imagine it's gonna be a virtual knock on
Speaker 1: the door, because I can't imagine they're flying all these
Speaker 1: guys in the Tampa to for starters and that probably
Speaker 1: they're not doing that. Yeah, they'll virtually hook up. But
Speaker 1: he's the lone senior finalist, and normally those guys get in.
Speaker 1: They just kind of rubber stamp it. But as you know,
Speaker 1: Drew knows, the year before when they were inducting the
Speaker 1: centennial class, it looked like he was going to get in,
Speaker 1: and he didn't get in after a thirty seven year
Speaker 1: wait and check out these these stats on Drew who
Speaker 1: played from nineteen seventy three through eighty three with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: We know the history, we know the big plays he
Speaker 1: made at eleven year career, but here's the background on
Speaker 1: this and and and how he didn't get in yet
Speaker 1: is still astounds me. There were twenty two First Team
Speaker 1: All Decade selections in nineteen seventies. Twenty one of them
Speaker 1: have a bust in Canton. The only one that doesn't,
Speaker 1: it's Drew Pearson. He's also the only first teamer that
Speaker 1: had never been discussed as a finalist as a finalist
Speaker 1: after all these years, and check this out. From nineteen
Speaker 1: thirty through twenty ten, a span of eight decades, there
Speaker 1: were seventeen wide receivers selected First Team All Decade. Sixteen
Speaker 1: of them they have busts in Canton, and again, Pearson
Speaker 1: was the only first team wide receiver not enshrined. And
Speaker 1: there were second team All Decade receivers from seventies, eighties, nineties.
Speaker 1: They all have busts in the Call of Fame except
Speaker 1: for Drew Pearson. So this is a long overdue award
Speaker 1: for for Drew. And I heard an interesting comment and
Speaker 1: I don't know Everson if you'll agree with this since
Speaker 1: you been close, but Chris Carter was being interviewed on
Speaker 1: NFL network. I believe it was, oh, maybe it was Friday,
Speaker 1: and he was another guy that waited a while to
Speaker 1: get in, and so they asked him, you know when
Speaker 1: you finally get in, did you feel vindicated? And he
Speaker 1: said he said, no, he goes once you're in, and
Speaker 1: you know you were in this exclusive group. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter how long it took you to get in. You're in,
Speaker 1: and he goes in, and you have a justification that
Speaker 1: you were one of the greatest players in the National
Speaker 1: Football League. And I think he mentioned something like there's
Speaker 1: been twenty five thousand guys to play in the NFL
Speaker 1: over all these years, and there's only three hundred. I
Speaker 1: don't have the number, off top of my head, three
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people in the Hall of Fame, so
Speaker 1: it's in a pretty exclusive group. And as mad as
Speaker 1: Drew was after being eliminated this previous time, I would
Speaker 1: think once he's in, he's gonna be very grateful. I
Speaker 1: think he was already pretty grateful even when he realized
Speaker 1: he was the only senior guy that was up. He
Speaker 1: was even smiling then. I think that was around a
Speaker 1: month ago or so, and it was good to see
Speaker 1: him smiling in regards to Hall of Fame as opposed
Speaker 1: to what we would call you know when you look
Speaker 1: at this stuff and it's it's always you know more
Speaker 1: than I would spags because you're reported. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you're a voter or not. But when you have
Speaker 1: a team like the Cowboys, is where does the failure
Speaker 1: come from in regards to recognition Drew Pierson not only
Speaker 1: and you may have brought this up. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of statue brought up spats. Drew Pearson was the last,
Speaker 1: not just first teamer all decade. I think all the
Speaker 1: second teamers got in before he did, at least from
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position. Because Harold Carmichael was the second
Speaker 1: team All Decade wide receiver and he got in before
Speaker 1: Drew Pierson just this pastime. So it was almost as
Speaker 1: if it was so glaring of an admission, it almost
Speaker 1: seemed to be personal. Of course, as a former Cowboy
Speaker 1: and Cowboy fan, I think you think it's personal by
Speaker 1: the other Hall of Fame voters. We've always had this
Speaker 1: rumor that the Cowboys were getting snubbed because the other
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame voters never liked the American team Moniker
Speaker 1: that was placed on us by the by I think
Speaker 1: textum or whoever they have. Always there's always that that
Speaker 1: that belief by Cowboy fans and former Cowboy players. You know,
Speaker 1: you're looking a guy like t O, would you say that,
Speaker 1: no matter how long it took to to get in,
Speaker 1: is he actually happy to be in now? Is he
Speaker 1: a participant? Because when you have your own ceremony separate
Speaker 1: from the Hall of Fame ceremony, I think you're making
Speaker 1: a clear statement. I don't think that has ever happened
Speaker 1: in the history of voting and accepting Pro Football Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame bus. So I don't know, man, I think
Speaker 1: that Drew's omission is glaring. I can go down the
Speaker 1: line you're looking at how we long in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame versus Harvey Martin not being in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. You know, those type of glaring emissions. Omissions
Speaker 1: are just too much for me to ignore. I can
Speaker 1: start fussing about myself, but I'm not because I'm still
Speaker 1: upset about the other guys that came before me that
Speaker 1: should be in the NFL Hall of Fame. It took
Speaker 1: mel Renfro, It took Ray feel Right to the end
Speaker 1: of their tenure and my rights, Bash yes, to be
Speaker 1: voted into the Hall of Fame. Mel Renfro was Hall
Speaker 1: of was All Pro almost every year, not to mention
Speaker 1: the fact that he played in at least four Super Bowls.
Speaker 1: Ray Feel Right, if I'm not mistaken, was hall of
Speaker 1: He gave up maybe ten sacks to Roger Starbucks or
Speaker 1: whatever quarterback Cowboys had to their blind side. That's the
Speaker 1: toughest position, and yet he has to wait till his
Speaker 1: tenures almost up. So I don't understand Bob Hayes. I
Speaker 1: was gonna bring out Bob because you know what that
Speaker 1: was that occurred. I want to say it occurred the
Speaker 1: year the Super Bowl was in in Houston. And he
Speaker 1: made it to the final seven. Uh, it was and
Speaker 1: and and and he he made it to the finals
Speaker 1: and they could even ducted seven guys, right, and he
Speaker 1: basically got voted out. That he didn't get voted in,
Speaker 1: and he didn't go and excuse me for going down
Speaker 1: memory lane again, but he didn't. He didn't get in
Speaker 1: until the Super Bowl. I believe it was the year
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl was in Tampa. The next time, it
Speaker 1: was the two thousand and nine January of two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine. And the reason I remember this is Thursday
Speaker 1: night before the game, I wrote this column on all
Speaker 1: the reasons why you want Bob Hayes in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame and how injustice it was that he wasn't in.
Speaker 1: And it was a Thursday night, and my mom passed
Speaker 1: away the day before the game. She lived in Florida,
Speaker 1: and I was fortunate enough to be there. I went
Speaker 1: to I was with her when she passed away. Then
Speaker 1: the game was on Sunday, but Bob finally got selected.
Speaker 1: He last played I want to say it was nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy four. Nineteen seventy four, This was two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: Bob Hayes changed the game and change and the way
Speaker 1: I looked at the Hall of Fame. It's not all
Speaker 1: about stats. I can tell you Drew Pearson played eleven years,
Speaker 1: had four hundred and eighty nine receptions, forty eight touchdowns,
Speaker 1: all this stuff. But the job of the Pro Football
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame is to preserve the history of the game.
Speaker 1: Not the statistical history, but the history of the game.
Speaker 1: In thirty years, will anybody remember or we won't be
Speaker 1: here to tell the story about the Hill Mary, about
Speaker 1: him catching that pass. So that needs to be preserved
Speaker 1: in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The same thing
Speaker 1: with Bob Hayes. He changed the game, his speed changed
Speaker 1: the game, but there's going to be a point where
Speaker 1: people that saw him play know what he did, won't
Speaker 1: be here to relay that story. It needs to be
Speaker 1: preserved in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And I
Speaker 1: think what happens these days. Everson is number one. You're
Speaker 1: right about the East Coast bias against the Cowboys at
Speaker 1: number two. The voting committee has turned over so greatly
Speaker 1: that people voting now did not see guys play in
Speaker 1: the seventies. They didn't see guys play in the sixties.
Speaker 1: They might not have seen you play in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Let me let me interrupt you on that. Let me
Speaker 1: interrupt you on that, because that is a factor. Correct.
Speaker 1: But my thing is this, if you accept and I
Speaker 1: think I may have said this on the show, if
Speaker 1: you accept that position as a younger player coming in,
Speaker 1: a younger writer, reporter coming in, and you're going to
Speaker 1: be voting on this, you do a disservice to your
Speaker 1: job and all the voters around you. If you don't
Speaker 1: do your job, if you don't do your research, that's
Speaker 1: what you're there for. Oh well, I can only vote
Speaker 1: on guys that I saw play. Well, how stupid is that?
Speaker 1: Then you shouldn't be a voter. We have access to
Speaker 1: almost any type of information that we need on this
Speaker 1: little box thing I got right in front of me,
Speaker 1: and you're telling me you don't have the ability to
Speaker 1: go back and do your research. You don't have access
Speaker 1: to all of the NFL films that you need to
Speaker 1: have access to vote on a Drew Pierson, to vote
Speaker 1: on a hell call, Michael rayphel right, even go back
Speaker 1: further than that. That's your job. If it's too much
Speaker 1: for you, then get out because you've got a lot
Speaker 1: of work to do when you're talking about salvaging these
Speaker 1: guys relationship that they fought tooth and there for that
Speaker 1: they shed so much blood for not just for themselves
Speaker 1: and for the family, but for their teammates and for
Speaker 1: this league that the Hall of Fame voters are supposed
Speaker 1: to be representing. So it's a connection that you can't break.
Speaker 1: And even I say this, fag, I maybe out of line.
Speaker 1: I usually am. When you've got tex Shram and guys
Speaker 1: like that controlling not just our negotiations and our salaries
Speaker 1: and our reputation, but you've also got certain Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame voters for the cowboys back in the day that
Speaker 1: was colluding. I guess with the owners sometimes that memory
Speaker 1: that text has because he had one like a fricking elephant.
Speaker 1: Those grudges are sometimes displayed through the lack of Dallas
Speaker 1: cowboys in the Hall of Fame. You talked to I talk.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to say their names, but they
Speaker 1: have actually said to me that they have been informed
Speaker 1: that the pushback from some Hall of famers comes from within.
Speaker 1: So we're being cannibalistic as cowboys. We're eating our own.
Speaker 1: Let the rains go. Talk about what Harvey Martin did
Speaker 1: as a player, how many sacks he had, the fact
Speaker 1: that he had so many they took away too. If
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, all of these things, to me are
Speaker 1: a part of a legacy that is really a shame
Speaker 1: here in Dallas. And it doesn't start in New York
Speaker 1: and East Coast necessarily, Spags. It started right here before
Speaker 1: we even got to Valley Ranch. That was over there
Speaker 1: in Forest Laying Abrams, where I used to drive my
Speaker 1: raggedy car down to practice every day, which was a
Speaker 1: little bit better than your Yes, hey, we got a
Speaker 1: minute left. We got one minute left. I got one
Speaker 1: more thing. Who's gonna Who's gonna win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Brady or my Holmes? Can I just say the Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs? Please? Can I just say that? Can I?
Speaker 1: Can I be politically incorrect and just say Chiefs? Judging
Speaker 1: from the first time Mickey, the first time they met,
Speaker 1: judging from the first time they met, Tyrek Hill is
Speaker 1: gonna win the Super Bowl? That's exactly right. In fact,
Speaker 1: that leads me to my parting comment. Do yourself a
Speaker 1: favor if you've got NFL game pass and go back
Speaker 1: and watch the Week twelve matchup between the Bucks and
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, I mean between Brady and Mahomes, and I
Speaker 1: mean that that is a great way to prepare for
Speaker 1: this game. And it's going to be very interesting to
Speaker 1: see what Todd Bowles has up his sleeve this time
Speaker 1: instead of maybe the single high safety that Mahomes was
Speaker 1: facing last time when Tyreek Hill in that game. He
Speaker 1: had over two hundred yards receiving in the first quarter
Speaker 1: of that game, which went round up being Now Bulls
Speaker 1: made adjustments as that game went on and it wound
Speaker 1: up being a good game. Twenty seven twenty four Kansas
Speaker 1: City one. But I'm so you're taking the Chiefs, Everson
Speaker 1: Nicky're taking the check who the chief Chiefs? And I'll
Speaker 1: take the Chiefs also, So there you go. We're in agreement.
Speaker 1: We're picking against Tom Brady. Go no, no, we're picking
Speaker 1: against the Bucks. Damn it. Everybody's all right, that does it?
Speaker 1: And I got to score. It's gonna be twenty to nineteen.
Speaker 1: Ryan suck Up's gonna miss a field goal on the
Speaker 1: last play of the game, thirty years after. Scott Norwood.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk at you again next Tuesday. Here
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