WEBVTT - Using Commercial Scents for Black Bear 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.640 You're listening to the Sportsman's Nation podcast network powered by 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:08.520 Interstate Batteries from your truck to your trail camera. Interstate 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:12.440 Batteries as you covered. Visit your local Interstate Batteries store 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:17.880 today or online at Interstate Batteries dot com. Interstate Batteries 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:27.280 Outrageously Dependable. My name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:31.240 of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:34.840 host into the world of hunting the icon and North 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:40.839 American wilderness better. We'll talk about tactics, gear conservation who 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.839 also bring you into some of the wildest country on 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:54.120 the planet. Chasing battery. On this episode of the Bear 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:58.480 Hunting Magazine Podcast, we're getting back into some tactical how 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:02.560 to stuff. They are good friends at Northwood's Bear Products. 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:07.240 We're talking with one of the owners, Kolbe McReynolds. We're 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:10.959 gonna talk about baiting bears. We're gonna talk about how 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.880 to use commercial sense inside of baiting bears, so you 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:15.920 can hear about some of their products. But mainly what 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.600 we're trying to do is educate people on how to 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:22.200 use their scent products, because if you're baiting bear, it 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:25.720 just makes sense to be using commercial sense because they 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:31.119 put off a more powerful scent profile than basically any 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:35.320 natural based scent that you can have. Granted, there are 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.560 some great natural sense that you can use as well. 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:40.559 As we get into this, it's a little bit different 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:42.760 than what we've been doing. Again, this is like a 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:46.000 tactical podcast, which is that's why a lot of people want. 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:48.320 I'm kind of a nerd when it comes to tactics, 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.960 but I'm also a sucker for a good story and 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.280 just a fun time, so this is kind of both 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.760 of those things combined. I also want to put in 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:59.880 there the conservation angle, which I think is so important 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.000 on everything that we do inside of bear hunting. Hunting 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:08.160 over bait is often misperceived as as many many different things, 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.200 but I'm here to tell you that some of the 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:14.320 toughest hunting that I do is our are baited hunts, 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.560 and they're doing yourself bated hunts I do here in 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:22.000 Arkansas and in Oklahoma. Baiting bears is a fantastic way 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:26.920 for selective harvests inside of hunting. If you're targeting an older, 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.720 mature male, it's extremely challenging to target one and successfully 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:34.640 take him over bait. But also baiting with cameras and 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:37.839 using sense and all this stuff. It's a great way 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:39.800 to be highly selective. So let me ask you a 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:45.000 question inside of conservation, which guy is more honorable the 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:50.480 guy that goes out and shoots the shoots a younger 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.880 juvenile bear using some of their method, or the guy 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:58.520 that's using bait takes years before he harvests an animal 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.400 and kills an older sure mail over bait. That's probably 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.360 not a real fair analogy, but from a conservation angle, 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.080 the guy that's targeting the older mature mails over bait 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:13.160 is the conservation winner because like for myself, I don't 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.160 kill bear over bait every year in Arkansas and Oklahoma. 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:19.080 Actually I haven't killed a bait a bear over bait 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:23.440 in Arkansas I think since two thousand and eleven. Granted 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:27.120 I have taken I believe three or four bears in 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.799 Oklahoma over bait in the last five years. The point 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:33.600 is is that you can't just look at something and say, oh, man, 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.320 they're just putting out donuts and bait. That's not fair, Chase. 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:41.320 That's not hunting man. It is, And you've caught me 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:45.000 on my soapbox because as hunters I feel like we 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.240 need to stand together. You know that you hear me 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.800 talk about all that all the time, but we also 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.480 need to look at different parts of hunting as they are, 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:57.400 which these bated hunts are conservation hunts because they're they're 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:01.000 taking place in places that spot inst hunting just could 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:06.160 not fulfill the management goals of the science based organizations 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:11.760 that are designed to make bear populations thrive, like in Oklahoma, Arkansas. 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.680 These places, man, they want to take out a certain 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.280 percentage of bears every year, and baiting is the only 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.600 way that they can do it. And so that's what 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:23.400 we do. So you're gonna enjoy this podcast with my 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:27.080 good friend Kolby McReynolds of north Woods Bear Products, and 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.800 also Bernie Barringer is on here for a couple of 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.600 minutes worth at the A T A Show in Louisville, Kentucky. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:41.360 Mm hmm, you're gonna like it. Welcome to Bear Honey 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.320 Magazine Podcast. We are again at the A T A 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:49.920 Show Archery Trade Association Show twenty nineteen Louisville, Kentucky, and 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:53.720 we are at the north Woods Bear Products booth, and 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:59.679 I've got with me Kolby and Bernie and uh, Golby, 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:04.240 introduce yourself first. I'm not gonna say much at all. Introduce, 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.960 Introduce yourself, and then we'll do the same for Bernie. 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.160 And then we're gonna I'll go ahead and tell everybody 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:11.320 what we're gonna talk about. We're gonna talk about. I 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.880 want to hear an introductions from you guys. Then I 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.560 want to hear from you Colby. Colby is the one 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:20.120 of the owners of Northwoods Bear Products. I want to 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.760 hear about your business as if someone who didn't know 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.920 anything about it, like bear Sense and what you guys do, 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.080 because you produce bear sense for tracting bears for hunting. 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:32.320 So I want to hear about that. And then we're 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.600 gonna talk Bernie. And this is where you can get involved, 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:39.600 is how we're using these products out in the field 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:44.360 and and how people can use this stuff. But and 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.440 and north Woods has been a long time partner of 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.039 Bear Honey magazine, so I've known these guys Bernie as 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.880 a columnist in the magazine. But go ahead, Colby, tell 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.440 us who you are, all right, Well, I'm Colby mcconald's 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:59.320 uh co owner of Northwoods Bear Products. So yeah, so 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.200 I'm one of the owners, Me, my dad, Um and 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.080 Brian he's overworking the booth right now. We are all 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.920 three equal park owners in Northwood's Bear Products and it's 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.640 exactly what you said. You know, we manufacture bear attractants, 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:16.040 you know, commercial sense for you know the purpose of 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:20.360 attracting bears, you know, um, and it's mostly black bears, 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.080 but we do actually, you know, some of our stuff 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.000 crosses over and does quite well with like grizzlies, browns, 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:30.200 stuff like that. So so give me like a rundown 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.599 of the types of products like from like you have 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:39.440 these dropt powder sense you have sprays if you could 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:43.880 categorize it. Yeah, so our spray sense um they come 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:45.839 in a little bit larger volume. You know, they're a 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:50.479 thirty two ounce jug um and they're already they're they're 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:52.800 ready to pop a sprayer in and use as is 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.239 um you know, you we it comes with a sprayer 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.640 and the idea behind it is you know, use it 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.560 as a cover scent and also as an attractant. Okay, 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.240 So each each time we're in and out of that 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.600 bait um. You know, everybody dates baits at a little 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:11.200 different rate, you know. For us, when we're up in Minnesota. 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.720 You know, we can only get up there once a week, um, 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.240 and in Wisconsin we can bait every day. So when 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.840 we're in Wisconsin, we go ahead and we spray that 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:20.600 every time we're in and out. And I don't I 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.840 don't really get married to one spray singing, you know. 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:26.120 I may switch it up um throughout the year. UM. 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.280 But the idea behind it is I spray it up 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.840 in the trees around the area are spray sense will 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:34.280 spray out you know ft um you can you can 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.680 find missed it, or you can streak shoot it, you 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.280 know and and cover some distance. So I like to 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:43.360 get that up and around the tree stand prior to um, 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:44.680 you know, when we go in there to hunt. So 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.040 it's it's just kind of they're used to that scent 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:49.440 up in the air, um and that way it does 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.480 work well as in a as a cover scent you 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:54.200 know when you do actually go into hunts. So UM, 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.840 that's one you know, that would be the application for 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:01.600 the spray sense. UM. The is Northwood's been in business, 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:07.800 so we've actually been in business for about twelve years. UM. 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:12.720 We have made our own attractants for going on thirty years. 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:16.360 Did your dad start the business. Yeah, yeah, Dad did. 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.320 UM at the time, I was, you know, I was 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:21.960 still kind of a young buck when he when he 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:26.160 started the business up bubble guns, sense yeah everything, Yeah, 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:31.120 you bet cheerios so no. Um. So as it started, 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.679 you know, uh, this was just something that you know, 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:38.120 we were kind of messing with just honestly, UM. We 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.120 were hunting bears and that's where our focus was. And 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.560 we were trying to do whatever we could to either outbate, 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:47.680 outperform you know, our competition. UM. And so we started 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:51.040 manufacturing our own you know, since and they've they've all 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.920 evolved over the years, but UM, you know what started 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.160 out is buying just a little bit of annis at 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.400 you know, the grocery store, and you know, things you 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:00.880 pick up along the way, and and uh, it just 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:02.400 kind of its kind of started from there and it 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.439 branched out and then got bigger and and I guess 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.360 the biggest thing was the people that did come in 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:12.160 and hunt with us saw the success we were having. UM. 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.160 And I think we related it a lot back to 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:19.040 the the use of attractings UM. And so you know, 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:20.680 we we were getting a lot of people along the 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:22.280 way and saying, hey, you guys should really start up 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.120 a business and you know, and market this stuff. So 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:28.199 if that's kind of how I got started, Yeah, well 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.120 that's to me. That is a great segue in here 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:37.800 to talking with Bernie bringer Um because as as a 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.840 person who baits bearing myself in Arkansas and Oklahoma and 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:45.240 a hunt in Canada every year, these and some people 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:47.800 don't understand why you need to use commercial sense because 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:52.559 they're like, well, debait that we're using already has scent properties. 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.080 And the truth is that you could put out a 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:57.760 bait with just your bait and you could get bears 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:01.920 to come into it without commercial scent. That's the But 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.040 the reason we use it is because this stuff is 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:10.240 way more powerful than any than just about any natural 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.360 scent that you're gonna be able to have. So you're 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.920 gonna attract more bears. You're gonna the bears are gonna 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.920 get this oil based stuff on their feet, on their fur, 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.600 on their paths, they're gonna track it all over. So 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:28.880 basically amplifies the scent signature of your bait dramatically. But 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.040 before we have it, that tell us who you are, Bernie, 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.360 All right, Bernie Barringer, I'm just a guy that's addicted 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.160 to bear hunting and been doing it for about twenty 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:39.360 years and have killed a few bears. Yeah, well more 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:41.760 than that. You're a columnist and a full time outdoor 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.600 writer in the columnist, however, have a YouTube channel has 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.000 a lot of bear hunter followers too. So can you 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.920 run bucks, Bulls and Bears, Bulls and Bears the weekly 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:53.120 email news blast? Yeah? And uh. And I've been sponsored 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.839 by Northwoos bear PROCs for several years and I love 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.680 their products and it's very very easy for me to 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:02.040 promote them. So you know, you mentioned that you could 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.920 go out and put a bear bait out without any 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:08.439 scent and still probably attract some bears. Well, you could brought. 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:10.720 You could also drive a Pento station wagon instead of 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:14.520 an escalade too, if you want. But these really make 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.200 all the difference in the world, and particular I like 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:21.280 their gold Rush. It is Uh. It's a super concentrated 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.520 formula that you mix with cooking oil and you do 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.320 like you can put one or two ounces and five 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.600 gallons of cooking oil and it is incredible the way 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.160 it smells. I open all my baits when I put 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:33.320 a new bait out. That's what I use nowadays to 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:36.120 open all the baits. And if I could describe what 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.320 it smells like, it's sort of like a butterscotch caramel, 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.240 you know, if you if you're familiar with like Werther's candy, 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.240 you know how he addicted those things are though, That's 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.440 kind of what it's like. And the bears they really 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.440 really like it. And it's super loud, very strong. So 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.439 I use that for for opening all the baits. When 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.200 when I put out a bait, I like to use 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.360 I like to say I use three levels. I like 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.360 stuff on the ground, I like stuff at the bears level, 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.800 and I like stuff up high. And that kind of 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.560 covers all of the whatever wind direction you're gonna have, 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.600 and thermals and everything like that. So you know, the 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.960 gold rush, that's the ground that's I spread that on 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.439 all around the bait and stuff like that. And then 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.719 the spray sense. Hey, let me let me stop you 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:19.440 out there with the gold rush, because I want to 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:24.320 talk specifically about that because to me, that that is 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:28.640 one of the that's that's my favorite product that you 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.400 guys make. It really is. And I want to say 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:35.880 too that I am not I am not a gadget guy. 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.400 I mean, like, I don't want to sit here with 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.000 you guys and promote a bunch of stuff that I 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:44.760 don't believe that people need. I mean, that's just the truth. 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.560 This stuff, if you're baiting bears, is the real deal. 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.360 And Bernie said, you mix it with you can mix 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.640 it with used friar grease. You're used friar grease, exact 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:59.320 commodity that's relatively easy to get from restaurants. You get 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.040 five gallons the friar grease and this gold gold rush. 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:03.800 I've got a bottle here in my hand. It comes 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:09.880 in eight ounce eight ounce bottles and that will treat 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.600 forty gallons of grease. And I'll tell you what I do. 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.040 A lot of times I mix it a little hotter, don't. 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:21.080 I mean, it does absolutely. It works so good that 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:22.840 you just want to add extra you know, you're just 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.880 like you love putting out there. But it but to me, 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.520 what the the reason that friar grease is so good 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.280 is because it is a caloric It has caloric value. 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.320 I mean, like it's something that the bears eat. But 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.800 it's also it's oil based and so it has the 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.280 ability to stick on stuff not be as influenced by 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.920 moisture to dissipate, get all over the bears, fur his 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.600 feet all over him, and then he leaves and he's 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:53.480 leaving Central. Because when you're baiting bear, the the biggest 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.520 thing you're trying to do is attract as many bears 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.800 as possible from as far away as possible. And the 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.920 more sent signature that you can have on that bait 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.960 that's not gonna evaporate, if it's not gonna go away 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.880 within three days, is better. And man, that prior gree stuff, 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:11.680 that that gold rush. You can go back to a 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:15.840 bait weeks after you've baited the next year, and you 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:17.960 still smell it the next year, you start digging in 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:19.960 the dirt, It's like I can smell it the next year. 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:24.080 It's crazy, it is. It is powerful stuff. But yeah, 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:28.920 and and Kobe mentioned something before we started the podcast. Um, 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.280 I've I've used the friar the gold Rush to make 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.880 sent drags to get bait started. Sure, I think you've 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.560 done that too before, Bernie. But where you start a 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.160 bait and then whether you tie a rag to a 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.360 four wheeler on a rope and you drive down logging 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.320 roads that lead you know, starting at your bait or 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.240 whether you go on foot. What I've done a couple 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:53.760 of times is gone on foot into areas dragon a 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:58.840 rag covered in north gold rush and and had tremendous 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:03.120 response of bears f on it quick. But yeah, well yeah, 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:04.880 I was gonna say also then that you know, I 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.000 like to get stuff up high, like he mentioned spraying 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.360 stuff up in the trees and things like that. And 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.880 I found that the specific smells that are really good 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:15.960 in the fall tend to be more like the fruit 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:19.160 type smells, the natural foods type smells, the blueberry, cherry 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.280 and things like that. In the spring, stuff like a 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:23.680 beaver cast has been really good for me in the spring. 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.560 It's good year round, but particularly in the spring. That 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.920 that would be my number one choice. So I got 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:30.400 it up high, I got it on the ground, and 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:34.120 then um, people talk about bears tracking stuff around, Well, 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:35.680 I like to get the stuff on the bears fur. 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.400 So I'll I'll see the trails that they're coming in, 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.600 and I'll spray the bushes along the sides of the 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.360 trails where they're coming in and out of the bait. 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.120 And then I just carry a bottle with me every 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.080 time my bait and I just freshen it up a 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.040 little bit. And I'm a little different than some people. 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:49.880 He meant, he says, you know, he likes to use 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.520 a lot of different ones. I've you know, bears are 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.240 all individuals. They kind of have personalities. That's really not 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:57.080 the right word for it, but they are individuals and 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:01.200 have individual take and some bears are, especially mature males, 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:05.800 can be really much more intimidated by the bait package 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.360 of smells, which includes the bait and the lures that 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.440 you're using in your own personal scent and stuff like that. 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:13.440 And if you change up too much on some of 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.760 those big mature males, it can throw them off a 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.320 little bit. They might back off. So I tend to 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:20.640 use the same I pick one smell that I think 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.160 is gonna be good, and I just trying to use 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.040 the same one at each bait and and just carry 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.480 a bottle with me every time I go in. That's 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.080 a that's a good topic, and I'd like to hear 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.480 from either one of you, And I think I know 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:36.480 your opinion. You just said it, but it seems like 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:40.640 the rational thing would be, well, multiple types of sens 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.120 you know, like let's try the gold rush, and then 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.600 let's try the cherry burst, and let's try this, you know, 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.880 just thinking that they're gonna be an appeal to, like 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:53.560 a buffet style scent. But what you're saying is that 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.040 you don't like to do that. Well, I don't like 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.120 to change it up in mid stream, I guess, is 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:02.000 what I'm saying, Because you know, the bears become accustomed 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.919 to the smells and sights of the bait package, and 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:08.199 it's it's not necessarily true small producing something new to 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:10.880 them that they're gonna have to you know, a big 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:15.520 mature males. He's skittish about this bait anyway. He walks 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:17.560 in there like, you know, I really shouldn't be here. 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.120 You know. That's you know, that's kind of the way 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.480 they come in. And so if you introduce something completely 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.119 different in midstream, like after a week or ten days, 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:26.679 he might just go. You know, I think I'm just 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:28.720 going back off and wait till dark today because I 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.560 don't really like this. So that's why I continue to 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.840 use the same lure at and and I'll even make notes. 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.360 I'm using cherry at this one, and I'm using blueberry 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.639 at this one, and gold missed at this one or whatever. 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.160 I think the principle that you're you're tapping on there 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.440 is just consistency because at a bait site, you're trying 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:49.679 to produce something that's very consistent. Because in the natural world, 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:54.520 consistency means safety. If that bear knows that inconsistency even 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.760 like when you go to the bait and how how 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.240 many people you take in there. I mean, like like you, 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.520 you want to you want to just do the same 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.920 thing and be regimented as much as possible every time, 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.719 So that would even fall into sins you're saying, use 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.080 the same kind of scent. Yeah, that's my preference, you know, Colby, 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.040 you know you and your dad been doing this for 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:15.879 a long time. I'll let you talk about a little bit. 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:18.000 I I know that I disagree with his dad. His 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:19.960 dad's real hard to disagree with. I'll just tell you 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.320 that right up front. East he's pretty bowlheaded. I guess 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.560 that's a kind way to put it. But we we 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.040 don't agree on everything, but we both killed bears. So 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.480 Colby want to address it? Yeah, yeah, Um, you know, 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.959 and I think, um, I will, I'll go back with 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:36.200 what I said, um prior, Um, you know, I'm not 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:40.240 necessarily married to a specific spray scent UM, and I mean, 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.960 you know, as far as like a specific flavor. You know, 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:45.800 I won't just stick with that for the full year. 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:48.680 What I guess I meant by that is, I may 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.080 have a dozen bait sites and one of them might 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.200 be exactly what Bernie said. I might have a combination 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:57.040 of blueberry um spray scent cherry burst with the powder, 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.199 and then I use you know, the gold Rush you know, 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.760 also UM, and the next bait site down the road, 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.520 I might be using cinnamon spray scent with a gold 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.119 dust powder UM in the gold Rush, you know. So 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.840 it's it's I'll mix it up, you know, just to 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.320 see what kind of reaction we get, you know, on 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.960 different baits. Now, I do stay consistent with that bait 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.239 what's sent I'm using. And if I do switch it up, 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.679 I don't just switch it up for one night and 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:22.399 then go back to something else. You know. If I 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:25.160 switch it up, I'll I'll stay consistent with that pattern, 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.800 you know, for for sure a week, UM and just 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.280 you know, try something new. If you've got long periods 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:33.080 of time that like in Wisconsin, we can bait from 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:37.480 April fifteen, um all the way through October. UM. Yeah, 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.200 we've got many you know, many months um to play 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:42.920 with things and try out different you know. I think 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:44.960 for me to chime in on this with what I do, 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.560 I just don't like to use a new spray or 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:53.040 new loud scent like two days before I'm writing, like, so, 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.960 I use different scents on a bay, but I don't 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.639 like to introduce something new because I've heard of stories 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:02.359 where guys, a hunter coming on a guided hunt, brings 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:05.200 his own scent. The outfitters never used that scent before 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.280 he comes in and just dousses this area into a 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:10.640 bear that's like woud it's like screaming in his ear. 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:12.879 To us, it's you know, we can smell it, But 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.359 to a bear that's his primary interaction with the world, 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.520 it's through his nose. And I've heard people I've never 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.640 experienced it, but I've heard people say they've seen bears 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:24.639 come in and be like, wait a minute, this place 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:27.399 didn't smell like ten thousand cherries dropped out of the 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:30.400 sky yesterday, And so it kind of gets him on edge. 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:34.040 But but let me ask you a question, colbe what 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:39.280 is And let me give context of the question regionally, 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:44.080 different flavors might do better. And you've experienced that, to Bernie, 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:46.760 have you seen a flavor that's the best. And I 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:50.560 realized from a you're a business rate, so you wanna 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:53.640 you don't want a pigeonhole people into like buying one 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.520 thing because it just worked for you. But is there 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:59.199 a scent that work? Because that's my question, even and 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:01.840 I've used a ton ane of them, and I honestly 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:06.120 can't say that I've seen like a massive, a tangible 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:10.800 difference between one of the other, aside from the gold Rush, 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:13.920 which it's just just a different product between the gold Rush, 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:17.560 which is a frig concentrated frageras additive to the to 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:21.520 the spray, to the powders, I feel like the concentrated stuff. 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:24.880