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Speaker 1: Outrageously Dependable. My name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host
Speaker 1: of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your
Speaker 1: host into the world of hunting the icon and North
Speaker 1: American wilderness better. We'll talk about tactics, gear conservation who
Speaker 1: also bring you into some of the wildest country on
Speaker 1: the planet. Chasing battery. On this episode of the Bear
Speaker 1: Hunting Magazine Podcast, we're getting back into some tactical how
Speaker 1: to stuff. They are good friends at Northwood's Bear Products.
Speaker 1: We're talking with one of the owners, Kolbe McReynolds. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about baiting bears. We're gonna talk about how
Speaker 1: to use commercial sense inside of baiting bears, so you
Speaker 1: can hear about some of their products. But mainly what
Speaker 1: we're trying to do is educate people on how to
Speaker 1: use their scent products, because if you're baiting bear, it
Speaker 1: just makes sense to be using commercial sense because they
Speaker 1: put off a more powerful scent profile than basically any
Speaker 1: natural based scent that you can have. Granted, there are
Speaker 1: some great natural sense that you can use as well.
Speaker 1: As we get into this, it's a little bit different
Speaker 1: than what we've been doing. Again, this is like a
Speaker 1: tactical podcast, which is that's why a lot of people want.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of a nerd when it comes to tactics,
Speaker 1: but I'm also a sucker for a good story and
Speaker 1: just a fun time, so this is kind of both
Speaker 1: of those things combined. I also want to put in
Speaker 1: there the conservation angle, which I think is so important
Speaker 1: on everything that we do inside of bear hunting. Hunting
Speaker 1: over bait is often misperceived as as many many different things,
Speaker 1: but I'm here to tell you that some of the
Speaker 1: toughest hunting that I do is our are baited hunts,
Speaker 1: and they're doing yourself bated hunts I do here in
Speaker 1: Arkansas and in Oklahoma. Baiting bears is a fantastic way
Speaker 1: for selective harvests inside of hunting. If you're targeting an older,
Speaker 1: mature male, it's extremely challenging to target one and successfully
Speaker 1: take him over bait. But also baiting with cameras and
Speaker 1: using sense and all this stuff. It's a great way
Speaker 1: to be highly selective. So let me ask you a
Speaker 1: question inside of conservation, which guy is more honorable the
Speaker 1: guy that goes out and shoots the shoots a younger
Speaker 1: juvenile bear using some of their method, or the guy
Speaker 1: that's using bait takes years before he harvests an animal
Speaker 1: and kills an older sure mail over bait. That's probably
Speaker 1: not a real fair analogy, but from a conservation angle,
Speaker 1: the guy that's targeting the older mature mails over bait
Speaker 1: is the conservation winner because like for myself, I don't
Speaker 1: kill bear over bait every year in Arkansas and Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Actually I haven't killed a bait a bear over bait
Speaker 1: in Arkansas I think since two thousand and eleven. Granted
Speaker 1: I have taken I believe three or four bears in
Speaker 1: Oklahoma over bait in the last five years. The point
Speaker 1: is is that you can't just look at something and say, oh, man,
Speaker 1: they're just putting out donuts and bait. That's not fair, Chase.
Speaker 1: That's not hunting man. It is, And you've caught me
Speaker 1: on my soapbox because as hunters I feel like we
Speaker 1: need to stand together. You know that you hear me
Speaker 1: talk about all that all the time, but we also
Speaker 1: need to look at different parts of hunting as they are,
Speaker 1: which these bated hunts are conservation hunts because they're they're
Speaker 1: taking place in places that spot inst hunting just could
Speaker 1: not fulfill the management goals of the science based organizations
Speaker 1: that are designed to make bear populations thrive, like in Oklahoma, Arkansas.
Speaker 1: These places, man, they want to take out a certain
Speaker 1: percentage of bears every year, and baiting is the only
Speaker 1: way that they can do it. And so that's what
Speaker 1: we do. So you're gonna enjoy this podcast with my
Speaker 1: good friend Kolby McReynolds of north Woods Bear Products, and
Speaker 1: also Bernie Barringer is on here for a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes worth at the A T A Show in Louisville, Kentucky.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, you're gonna like it. Welcome to Bear Honey
Speaker 1: Magazine Podcast. We are again at the A T A
Speaker 1: Show Archery Trade Association Show twenty nineteen Louisville, Kentucky, and
Speaker 1: we are at the north Woods Bear Products booth, and
Speaker 1: I've got with me Kolby and Bernie and uh, Golby,
Speaker 1: introduce yourself first. I'm not gonna say much at all. Introduce,
Speaker 1: Introduce yourself, and then we'll do the same for Bernie.
Speaker 1: And then we're gonna I'll go ahead and tell everybody
Speaker 1: what we're gonna talk about. We're gonna talk about. I
Speaker 1: want to hear an introductions from you guys. Then I
Speaker 1: want to hear from you Colby. Colby is the one
Speaker 1: of the owners of Northwoods Bear Products. I want to
Speaker 1: hear about your business as if someone who didn't know
Speaker 1: anything about it, like bear Sense and what you guys do,
Speaker 1: because you produce bear sense for tracting bears for hunting.
Speaker 1: So I want to hear about that. And then we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk Bernie. And this is where you can get involved,
Speaker 1: is how we're using these products out in the field
Speaker 1: and and how people can use this stuff. But and
Speaker 1: and north Woods has been a long time partner of
Speaker 1: Bear Honey magazine, so I've known these guys Bernie as
Speaker 1: a columnist in the magazine. But go ahead, Colby, tell
Speaker 1: us who you are, all right, Well, I'm Colby mcconald's
Speaker 1: uh co owner of Northwoods Bear Products. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: I'm one of the owners, Me, my dad, Um and
Speaker 1: Brian he's overworking the booth right now. We are all
Speaker 1: three equal park owners in Northwood's Bear Products and it's
Speaker 1: exactly what you said. You know, we manufacture bear attractants,
Speaker 1: you know, commercial sense for you know the purpose of
Speaker 1: attracting bears, you know, um, and it's mostly black bears,
Speaker 1: but we do actually, you know, some of our stuff
Speaker 1: crosses over and does quite well with like grizzlies, browns,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So so give me like a rundown
Speaker 1: of the types of products like from like you have
Speaker 1: these dropt powder sense you have sprays if you could
Speaker 1: categorize it. Yeah, so our spray sense um they come
Speaker 1: in a little bit larger volume. You know, they're a
Speaker 1: thirty two ounce jug um and they're already they're they're
Speaker 1: ready to pop a sprayer in and use as is
Speaker 1: um you know, you we it comes with a sprayer
Speaker 1: and the idea behind it is you know, use it
Speaker 1: as a cover scent and also as an attractant. Okay,
Speaker 1: So each each time we're in and out of that
Speaker 1: bait um. You know, everybody dates baits at a little
Speaker 1: different rate, you know. For us, when we're up in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: You know, we can only get up there once a week, um,
Speaker 1: and in Wisconsin we can bait every day. So when
Speaker 1: we're in Wisconsin, we go ahead and we spray that
Speaker 1: every time we're in and out. And I don't I
Speaker 1: don't really get married to one spray singing, you know.
Speaker 1: I may switch it up um throughout the year. UM.
Speaker 1: But the idea behind it is I spray it up
Speaker 1: in the trees around the area are spray sense will
Speaker 1: spray out you know ft um you can you can
Speaker 1: find missed it, or you can streak shoot it, you
Speaker 1: know and and cover some distance. So I like to
Speaker 1: get that up and around the tree stand prior to um,
Speaker 1: you know, when we go in there to hunt. So
Speaker 1: it's it's just kind of they're used to that scent
Speaker 1: up in the air, um and that way it does
Speaker 1: work well as in a as a cover scent you
Speaker 1: know when you do actually go into hunts. So UM,
Speaker 1: that's one you know, that would be the application for
Speaker 1: the spray sense. UM. The is Northwood's been in business,
Speaker 1: so we've actually been in business for about twelve years. UM.
Speaker 1: We have made our own attractants for going on thirty years.
Speaker 1: Did your dad start the business. Yeah, yeah, Dad did.
Speaker 1: UM at the time, I was, you know, I was
Speaker 1: still kind of a young buck when he when he
Speaker 1: started the business up bubble guns, sense yeah everything, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you bet cheerios so no. Um. So as it started,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, this was just something that you know,
Speaker 1: we were kind of messing with just honestly, UM. We
Speaker 1: were hunting bears and that's where our focus was. And
Speaker 1: we were trying to do whatever we could to either outbate,
Speaker 1: outperform you know, our competition. UM. And so we started
Speaker 1: manufacturing our own you know, since and they've they've all
Speaker 1: evolved over the years, but UM, you know what started
Speaker 1: out is buying just a little bit of annis at
Speaker 1: you know, the grocery store, and you know, things you
Speaker 1: pick up along the way, and and uh, it just
Speaker 1: kind of its kind of started from there and it
Speaker 1: branched out and then got bigger and and I guess
Speaker 1: the biggest thing was the people that did come in
Speaker 1: and hunt with us saw the success we were having. UM.
Speaker 1: And I think we related it a lot back to
Speaker 1: the the use of attractings UM. And so you know,
Speaker 1: we we were getting a lot of people along the
Speaker 1: way and saying, hey, you guys should really start up
Speaker 1: a business and you know, and market this stuff. So
Speaker 1: if that's kind of how I got started, Yeah, well
Speaker 1: that's to me. That is a great segue in here
Speaker 1: to talking with Bernie bringer Um because as as a
Speaker 1: person who baits bearing myself in Arkansas and Oklahoma and
Speaker 1: a hunt in Canada every year, these and some people
Speaker 1: don't understand why you need to use commercial sense because
Speaker 1: they're like, well, debait that we're using already has scent properties.
Speaker 1: And the truth is that you could put out a
Speaker 1: bait with just your bait and you could get bears
Speaker 1: to come into it without commercial scent. That's the But
Speaker 1: the reason we use it is because this stuff is
Speaker 1: way more powerful than any than just about any natural
Speaker 1: scent that you're gonna be able to have. So you're
Speaker 1: gonna attract more bears. You're gonna the bears are gonna
Speaker 1: get this oil based stuff on their feet, on their fur,
Speaker 1: on their paths, they're gonna track it all over. So
Speaker 1: basically amplifies the scent signature of your bait dramatically. But
Speaker 1: before we have it, that tell us who you are, Bernie,
Speaker 1: All right, Bernie Barringer, I'm just a guy that's addicted
Speaker 1: to bear hunting and been doing it for about twenty
Speaker 1: years and have killed a few bears. Yeah, well more
Speaker 1: than that. You're a columnist and a full time outdoor
Speaker 1: writer in the columnist, however, have a YouTube channel has
Speaker 1: a lot of bear hunter followers too. So can you
Speaker 1: run bucks, Bulls and Bears, Bulls and Bears the weekly
Speaker 1: email news blast? Yeah? And uh. And I've been sponsored
Speaker 1: by Northwoos bear PROCs for several years and I love
Speaker 1: their products and it's very very easy for me to
Speaker 1: promote them. So you know, you mentioned that you could
Speaker 1: go out and put a bear bait out without any
Speaker 1: scent and still probably attract some bears. Well, you could brought.
Speaker 1: You could also drive a Pento station wagon instead of
Speaker 1: an escalade too, if you want. But these really make
Speaker 1: all the difference in the world, and particular I like
Speaker 1: their gold Rush. It is Uh. It's a super concentrated
Speaker 1: formula that you mix with cooking oil and you do
Speaker 1: like you can put one or two ounces and five
Speaker 1: gallons of cooking oil and it is incredible the way
Speaker 1: it smells. I open all my baits when I put
Speaker 1: a new bait out. That's what I use nowadays to
Speaker 1: open all the baits. And if I could describe what
Speaker 1: it smells like, it's sort of like a butterscotch caramel,
Speaker 1: you know, if you if you're familiar with like Werther's candy,
Speaker 1: you know how he addicted those things are though, That's
Speaker 1: kind of what it's like. And the bears they really
Speaker 1: really like it. And it's super loud, very strong. So
Speaker 1: I use that for for opening all the baits. When
Speaker 1: when I put out a bait, I like to use
Speaker 1: I like to say I use three levels. I like
Speaker 1: stuff on the ground, I like stuff at the bears level,
Speaker 1: and I like stuff up high. And that kind of
Speaker 1: covers all of the whatever wind direction you're gonna have,
Speaker 1: and thermals and everything like that. So you know, the
Speaker 1: gold rush, that's the ground that's I spread that on
Speaker 1: all around the bait and stuff like that. And then
Speaker 1: the spray sense. Hey, let me let me stop you
Speaker 1: out there with the gold rush, because I want to
Speaker 1: talk specifically about that because to me, that that is
Speaker 1: one of the that's that's my favorite product that you
Speaker 1: guys make. It really is. And I want to say
Speaker 1: too that I am not I am not a gadget guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I don't want to sit here with
Speaker 1: you guys and promote a bunch of stuff that I
Speaker 1: don't believe that people need. I mean, that's just the truth.
Speaker 1: This stuff, if you're baiting bears, is the real deal.
Speaker 1: And Bernie said, you mix it with you can mix
Speaker 1: it with used friar grease. You're used friar grease, exact
Speaker 1: commodity that's relatively easy to get from restaurants. You get
Speaker 1: five gallons the friar grease and this gold gold rush.
Speaker 1: I've got a bottle here in my hand. It comes
Speaker 1: in eight ounce eight ounce bottles and that will treat
Speaker 1: forty gallons of grease. And I'll tell you what I do.
Speaker 1: A lot of times I mix it a little hotter, don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, it does absolutely. It works so good that
Speaker 1: you just want to add extra you know, you're just
Speaker 1: like you love putting out there. But it but to me,
Speaker 1: what the the reason that friar grease is so good
Speaker 1: is because it is a caloric It has caloric value.
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's something that the bears eat. But
Speaker 1: it's also it's oil based and so it has the
Speaker 1: ability to stick on stuff not be as influenced by
Speaker 1: moisture to dissipate, get all over the bears, fur his
Speaker 1: feet all over him, and then he leaves and he's
Speaker 1: leaving Central. Because when you're baiting bear, the the biggest
Speaker 1: thing you're trying to do is attract as many bears
Speaker 1: as possible from as far away as possible. And the
Speaker 1: more sent signature that you can have on that bait
Speaker 1: that's not gonna evaporate, if it's not gonna go away
Speaker 1: within three days, is better. And man, that prior gree stuff,
Speaker 1: that that gold rush. You can go back to a
Speaker 1: bait weeks after you've baited the next year, and you
Speaker 1: still smell it the next year, you start digging in
Speaker 1: the dirt, It's like I can smell it the next year.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, it is. It is powerful stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and and Kobe mentioned something before we started the podcast. Um,
Speaker 1: I've I've used the friar the gold Rush to make
Speaker 1: sent drags to get bait started. Sure, I think you've
Speaker 1: done that too before, Bernie. But where you start a
Speaker 1: bait and then whether you tie a rag to a
Speaker 1: four wheeler on a rope and you drive down logging
Speaker 1: roads that lead you know, starting at your bait or
Speaker 1: whether you go on foot. What I've done a couple
Speaker 1: of times is gone on foot into areas dragon a
Speaker 1: rag covered in north gold rush and and had tremendous
Speaker 1: response of bears f on it quick. But yeah, well yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say also then that you know, I
Speaker 1: like to get stuff up high, like he mentioned spraying
Speaker 1: stuff up in the trees and things like that. And
Speaker 1: I found that the specific smells that are really good
Speaker 1: in the fall tend to be more like the fruit
Speaker 1: type smells, the natural foods type smells, the blueberry, cherry
Speaker 1: and things like that. In the spring, stuff like a
Speaker 1: beaver cast has been really good for me in the spring.
Speaker 1: It's good year round, but particularly in the spring. That
Speaker 1: that would be my number one choice. So I got
Speaker 1: it up high, I got it on the ground, and
Speaker 1: then um, people talk about bears tracking stuff around, Well,
Speaker 1: I like to get the stuff on the bears fur.
Speaker 1: So I'll I'll see the trails that they're coming in,
Speaker 1: and I'll spray the bushes along the sides of the
Speaker 1: trails where they're coming in and out of the bait.
Speaker 1: And then I just carry a bottle with me every
Speaker 1: time my bait and I just freshen it up a
Speaker 1: little bit. And I'm a little different than some people.
Speaker 1: He meant, he says, you know, he likes to use
Speaker 1: a lot of different ones. I've you know, bears are
Speaker 1: all individuals. They kind of have personalities. That's really not
Speaker 1: the right word for it, but they are individuals and
Speaker 1: have individual take and some bears are, especially mature males,
Speaker 1: can be really much more intimidated by the bait package
Speaker 1: of smells, which includes the bait and the lures that
Speaker 1: you're using in your own personal scent and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And if you change up too much on some of
Speaker 1: those big mature males, it can throw them off a
Speaker 1: little bit. They might back off. So I tend to
Speaker 1: use the same I pick one smell that I think
Speaker 1: is gonna be good, and I just trying to use
Speaker 1: the same one at each bait and and just carry
Speaker 1: a bottle with me every time I go in. That's
Speaker 1: a that's a good topic, and I'd like to hear
Speaker 1: from either one of you, And I think I know
Speaker 1: your opinion. You just said it, but it seems like
Speaker 1: the rational thing would be, well, multiple types of sens
Speaker 1: you know, like let's try the gold rush, and then
Speaker 1: let's try the cherry burst, and let's try this, you know,
Speaker 1: just thinking that they're gonna be an appeal to, like
Speaker 1: a buffet style scent. But what you're saying is that
Speaker 1: you don't like to do that. Well, I don't like
Speaker 1: to change it up in mid stream, I guess, is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Because you know, the bears become accustomed
Speaker 1: to the smells and sights of the bait package, and
Speaker 1: it's it's not necessarily true small producing something new to
Speaker 1: them that they're gonna have to you know, a big
Speaker 1: mature males. He's skittish about this bait anyway. He walks
Speaker 1: in there like, you know, I really shouldn't be here.
Speaker 1: You know. That's you know, that's kind of the way
Speaker 1: they come in. And so if you introduce something completely
Speaker 1: different in midstream, like after a week or ten days,
Speaker 1: he might just go. You know, I think I'm just
Speaker 1: going back off and wait till dark today because I
Speaker 1: don't really like this. So that's why I continue to
Speaker 1: use the same lure at and and I'll even make notes.
Speaker 1: I'm using cherry at this one, and I'm using blueberry
Speaker 1: at this one, and gold missed at this one or whatever.
Speaker 1: I think the principle that you're you're tapping on there
Speaker 1: is just consistency because at a bait site, you're trying
Speaker 1: to produce something that's very consistent. Because in the natural world,
Speaker 1: consistency means safety. If that bear knows that inconsistency even
Speaker 1: like when you go to the bait and how how
Speaker 1: many people you take in there. I mean, like like you,
Speaker 1: you want to you want to just do the same
Speaker 1: thing and be regimented as much as possible every time,
Speaker 1: So that would even fall into sins you're saying, use
Speaker 1: the same kind of scent. Yeah, that's my preference, you know, Colby,
Speaker 1: you know you and your dad been doing this for
Speaker 1: a long time. I'll let you talk about a little bit.
Speaker 1: I I know that I disagree with his dad. His
Speaker 1: dad's real hard to disagree with. I'll just tell you
Speaker 1: that right up front. East he's pretty bowlheaded. I guess
Speaker 1: that's a kind way to put it. But we we
Speaker 1: don't agree on everything, but we both killed bears. So
Speaker 1: Colby want to address it? Yeah, yeah, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think, um, I will, I'll go back with
Speaker 1: what I said, um prior, Um, you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: necessarily married to a specific spray scent UM, and I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, as far as like a specific flavor. You know,
Speaker 1: I won't just stick with that for the full year.
Speaker 1: What I guess I meant by that is, I may
Speaker 1: have a dozen bait sites and one of them might
Speaker 1: be exactly what Bernie said. I might have a combination
Speaker 1: of blueberry um spray scent cherry burst with the powder,
Speaker 1: and then I use you know, the gold Rush you know,
Speaker 1: also UM, and the next bait site down the road,
Speaker 1: I might be using cinnamon spray scent with a gold
Speaker 1: dust powder UM in the gold Rush, you know. So
Speaker 1: it's it's I'll mix it up, you know, just to
Speaker 1: see what kind of reaction we get, you know, on
Speaker 1: different baits. Now, I do stay consistent with that bait
Speaker 1: what's sent I'm using. And if I do switch it up,
Speaker 1: I don't just switch it up for one night and
Speaker 1: then go back to something else. You know. If I
Speaker 1: switch it up, I'll I'll stay consistent with that pattern,
Speaker 1: you know, for for sure a week, UM and just
Speaker 1: you know, try something new. If you've got long periods
Speaker 1: of time that like in Wisconsin, we can bait from
Speaker 1: April fifteen, um all the way through October. UM. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've got many you know, many months um to play
Speaker 1: with things and try out different you know. I think
Speaker 1: for me to chime in on this with what I do,
Speaker 1: I just don't like to use a new spray or
Speaker 1: new loud scent like two days before I'm writing, like, so,
Speaker 1: I use different scents on a bay, but I don't
Speaker 1: like to introduce something new because I've heard of stories
Speaker 1: where guys, a hunter coming on a guided hunt, brings
Speaker 1: his own scent. The outfitters never used that scent before
Speaker 1: he comes in and just dousses this area into a
Speaker 1: bear that's like woud it's like screaming in his ear.
Speaker 1: To us, it's you know, we can smell it, But
Speaker 1: to a bear that's his primary interaction with the world,
Speaker 1: it's through his nose. And I've heard people I've never
Speaker 1: experienced it, but I've heard people say they've seen bears
Speaker 1: come in and be like, wait a minute, this place
Speaker 1: didn't smell like ten thousand cherries dropped out of the
Speaker 1: sky yesterday, And so it kind of gets him on edge.
Speaker 1: But but let me ask you a question, colbe what
Speaker 1: is And let me give context of the question regionally,
Speaker 1: different flavors might do better. And you've experienced that, to Bernie,
Speaker 1: have you seen a flavor that's the best. And I
Speaker 1: realized from a you're a business rate, so you wanna
Speaker 1: you don't want a pigeonhole people into like buying one
Speaker 1: thing because it just worked for you. But is there
Speaker 1: a scent that work? Because that's my question, even and
Speaker 1: I've used a ton ane of them, and I honestly
Speaker 1: can't say that I've seen like a massive, a tangible
Speaker 1: difference between one of the other, aside from the gold Rush,
Speaker 1: which it's just just a different product between the gold Rush,
Speaker 1: which is a frig concentrated frageras additive to the to
Speaker 1: the spray, to the powders, I feel like the concentrated stuff.
Speaker 1: But but amongst flavors, is that a fair question? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. And I'll say the same thing. I think
Speaker 1: far and away gold Rush is the most popular. Um,
Speaker 1: it's our favorite product to use while we're out, you know, hunting,
Speaker 1: and and it's just is your dad melt down where
Speaker 1: there's originals and put it in exactly back in like
Speaker 1: the nineties, he's like melting them down. Yeah, no, uh no,
Speaker 1: it's a. It's a combination of a few things and
Speaker 1: it just works well together. And like you said, that
Speaker 1: marriage with the um fried oil, it's just the perfect combination,
Speaker 1: you know. It's it sticks to the trees, gets all
Speaker 1: over everything. They can drag it throughout the woods on
Speaker 1: their paws and hair. But UM, back to your question, UM,
Speaker 1: you know regionally, I will say, UM, like we do
Speaker 1: the Harrisburg, Pennsylvania Show. UM see a lot of outfitters there,
Speaker 1: and it is it's kind of it's fun to talk
Speaker 1: with them, UM because they'll you know, they'll buy a
Speaker 1: wide variety of spray sense and then they all like
Speaker 1: over the next couple of years, they each have their
Speaker 1: own Like we've got we've got one outfitter UM that
Speaker 1: just swears by beaver castt. It's all he uses. That's
Speaker 1: all I'll buy. That's all he uses with the gold rush.
Speaker 1: UM doesn't really do much with the powders. UM. Now
Speaker 1: we've got another UM outfitter that is, you know, not
Speaker 1: too far they're not overly far from one another. He
Speaker 1: swears by blueberry and that's all he does, you know,
Speaker 1: is blueberry powder, blueberry spray sin, and gold rush. So
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's you know, I think it's a
Speaker 1: lot to do with personal opinion and what you perceive
Speaker 1: your bears. How you're therey acting to the scent that
Speaker 1: you're you're putting out. Um, I can't say that that
Speaker 1: I have you know, a far way favorite, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that just outperforms everything else, you know. I I
Speaker 1: tend to lean on blueberry a lot when I'm in
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Only you know, just let me ask you
Speaker 1: a question, do you like blueberries? That's why exactly, that's
Speaker 1: the way I pick it. I'm like when I get
Speaker 1: I get multiple kinds of northwoods every year, and I
Speaker 1: think it depends on whether I'm hungry or not. I'm like,
Speaker 1: do I get the get the blueberry or the doughnut?
Speaker 1: Oh donuts? Right exactly. I'm kind of being funny, but
Speaker 1: I'm being serious. I think I think a lot of it.
Speaker 1: Like to this is what I've always tried to understand
Speaker 1: is a bear doesn't perceive the world like a human
Speaker 1: does they? And we know that from the way that
Speaker 1: they interact with bait. A bear would rather eat a
Speaker 1: white oak acorn as he would a glaze donut. To us,
Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense. I mean, like, so I
Speaker 1: feel like they're interacting with this scent different than we
Speaker 1: are and it and so you know, we're and we're
Speaker 1: trying to humanize them in a way like oh, he'd
Speaker 1: like a donut. Yeah. But and I'm not saying that's negative.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying probably any of them would work. That's
Speaker 1: my point. That's that's my point. I couldn't agree more
Speaker 1: with you, you know, And I think any of them
Speaker 1: will work, you know, And I think we gravitate to
Speaker 1: the ones that are more potent, you know, the ones
Speaker 1: that reach out and slap you in the nose. You know,
Speaker 1: that's the ones. We gravitated to them. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: that smells so powerful. So it's unbelievable to you and I.
Speaker 1: It is. They can smell you know, what is it
Speaker 1: three thousand times better than you and I. So it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable. Um. So, yeah, like I said, we
Speaker 1: gravitate towards those that are more pungent and everything, and
Speaker 1: what we associate with that with that region, you know,
Speaker 1: like in Minnesota, Wisconsin. And that's a valid point. Is
Speaker 1: that what you were going to talk about. I was
Speaker 1: gonna mention that I think that people. You know, I
Speaker 1: worked at booth with these guys quite a bit and
Speaker 1: people come walking by and they look and they go, um, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they got a blueberry scent. You know, we got blueberries
Speaker 1: in our area. Bears probably eat blueberries, will try that.
Speaker 1: You know. It's either that or they It's like, you say,
Speaker 1: where this one. I would like to put this one
Speaker 1: on my pancakes. I'm gonna take this one, you know.
Speaker 1: So you know, everybody judges different, But the reality is,
Speaker 1: what what we're doing here is is we're just putting
Speaker 1: a scent in the air that a bear walks down
Speaker 1: win and he goes, you know, I gotta walk over
Speaker 1: there and check that out. That's that's really all we're doing.
Speaker 1: And um, all of the flavors will do that at
Speaker 1: the right times. And you know, I keep saying this,
Speaker 1: but bears are individuals, and some of them will prefer
Speaker 1: a candy scent, and someone will prefer a fruit scent,
Speaker 1: and someone will prefer more of a like a like
Speaker 1: the beaver cast or something like that. So it's really
Speaker 1: hard to say which one could be the best. I'll
Speaker 1: never forget when I first baiting bears in Arkansas. I
Speaker 1: heard a lady that was she I just remember who
Speaker 1: she was. She's become a friend of mine that she
Speaker 1: she told me a story and at the time of
Speaker 1: something I've never seen, but she said she one day
Speaker 1: put out these little fried pies, you know, like a
Speaker 1: blueberry pie and a lemon pie, like you'd buy at
Speaker 1: a gas station, just like individually. And she said a
Speaker 1: bear came in and he picked through those pies, and
Speaker 1: when he would bite into a lemon pie, he would
Speaker 1: it spit it out, and then he'd go in. And
Speaker 1: I learned that is that they're just like us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are. They're just like us. They have specific flavors.
Speaker 1: I had some. Uh. I bought a bunch of gummy
Speaker 1: bears one time and one of the boxes that accidentally
Speaker 1: got thrown in it was sour gummy bears, and I
Speaker 1: gave that. It was like I put it out, the
Speaker 1: bears didn't need it. And another guy I was saw
Speaker 1: I met the Lucky seven bear beat when I was
Speaker 1: there the next time. I said, yeah, I tried to
Speaker 1: sour gummy bears and the guy is like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I use the heck out of those. They work great,
Speaker 1: Like the bear that came in wouldn't need them, so
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're all they're all different. And uh,
Speaker 1: it's funny how bears will pick through a bait and
Speaker 1: one barrel come in and he'll dig through all the
Speaker 1: sweets and he'll dig down to the beef at or
Speaker 1: whatever you know. And um, I had a situation where
Speaker 1: times a year when they do that, yeah, way through
Speaker 1: all the doughnuts to get to I've seen one way
Speaker 1: through donuts later in the fall season and grab a
Speaker 1: beef bone and crunch it. Yeah. I mean like and
Speaker 1: you're like, wait a minute, you're you're crunching on a
Speaker 1: rotten bone rather than eating these fresh donuts. But just
Speaker 1: for that time of year, that's what they wanted. And
Speaker 1: I one time I had a guy had a fruit
Speaker 1: stand that gave me a bunch of watermelons and I
Speaker 1: took these watermelons and put them out on my bear
Speaker 1: baits and I come back the next two three days
Speaker 1: and these watermelons are just sitting there, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I guess they don't want watermelon. I just kind of
Speaker 1: kicked one of them and to look inside of it
Speaker 1: see if it was rotten or something like that. And
Speaker 1: it looked okay to me. Well, I come back next
Speaker 1: day and every watermelon was completely cleaned up. Well, they
Speaker 1: just had never they just never opened it, I guess.
Speaker 1: But once it was opened, they smelled it and they
Speaker 1: ate it. So there's not many watermelons in the Minnesota bush, No,
Speaker 1: not too many. It doesn't Watermelons don't do well that
Speaker 1: that inn alligators, they don't do well in Minnesota. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I gotta go to a meeting. Man, it's been great
Speaker 1: talking with you, and uh, thanks for for everything that
Speaker 1: you've done. And thanks for Northwits bear products. Man. I
Speaker 1: got a great relationship with him. I love their products
Speaker 1: and they've helped me kill a lot of bears. So
Speaker 1: thanks man. Right on, Bernie, thank you, thank you Bernie.
Speaker 1: Well Kobe, I think the I started off by talking
Speaker 1: about how well, let me let me back up. Anybody
Speaker 1: that's baiting bears, if you're going to invest the time
Speaker 1: and energy into gathering bait, putting out debate site, you
Speaker 1: need to be using commercial sense. And there's tons of
Speaker 1: guys in the bear baiting community that don't because I mean,
Speaker 1: it does cost money. It is another thing that you
Speaker 1: have to buy. But my whole point to people is
Speaker 1: and again the purpose being of this not even as
Speaker 1: much to sell as Northwoods bear products, but just to
Speaker 1: get people using sense in general, I mean, just the
Speaker 1: whole concept of it um is that is that it's
Speaker 1: gonna make You're gonna attract more bears and over a
Speaker 1: period of time you're gonna end up being able to
Speaker 1: kill the bear you want, because it's just it's just
Speaker 1: another layer to your strategy of attraction. And so just
Speaker 1: in general, if you're baiting bears and you're not using
Speaker 1: commercial sense, you're missing out. And then obviously we wanted
Speaker 1: to buy, we want to buy from you guys, and
Speaker 1: it's great stuff. So that's not what I'm saying. My
Speaker 1: point is is that this is in the sales pitch.
Speaker 1: This is a this is a pitch too, man, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna be putting in this energy and effort, trite tried,
Speaker 1: and I have some um to me, the most beneficial
Speaker 1: time that I've used these has been in starting a bait,
Speaker 1: and uh, talk to me about like how you like
Speaker 1: you like to use it, and so do I throughout
Speaker 1: the baiting sequence, but like how do you how do
Speaker 1: you use it? Okay? So Uh. So we're basically we're
Speaker 1: speaking right now about gold rush is the product that
Speaker 1: we're talking about, um, you know, and we use it
Speaker 1: the same way. That is absolutely how we fire up
Speaker 1: every single one of our bait sites. We mixed gold
Speaker 1: rush with fry oil shake it up this last year.
Speaker 1: I actually, UM, usually what I do is, I'll take
Speaker 1: five gallons of fry oil, I'll take an ounce or
Speaker 1: two of gold rush poured in there, shake it up,
Speaker 1: dump the majority of it on the ground in front
Speaker 1: of the beat site, take the last little bit and
Speaker 1: maybe throw it up, you know, maybe head high, just
Speaker 1: to kind of cover that. You know, I guess his
Speaker 1: own two is Bernie described it, you know. So UM.
Speaker 1: This year, however, I want to try something new. UM.
Speaker 1: I used the the grease UM, and I put it
Speaker 1: in a one gallon uh spray pump like a weed sprayer. Okay,
Speaker 1: And so I had a gallon of grease and I
Speaker 1: hadded just basically a cap full of gold rush UM,
Speaker 1: so the same ratio you know, UM, and pump that
Speaker 1: baby up and I sprayed it on the ground, sprayed
Speaker 1: it everywhere, and I was just able to kind of
Speaker 1: broaden that area that I was dispersing the gold rush
Speaker 1: into Now I was able to shoot it as at
Speaker 1: a stream out further behind the bait site, you know,
Speaker 1: whereas when you're pouring it out, you're concentrating right on
Speaker 1: in front of the bait site. They're stepping in it.
Speaker 1: And that's what you're doing, is you're increasing the surface
Speaker 1: area that products so that you know, it can disperse
Speaker 1: me yep. And and then the you know, the I
Speaker 1: would spray it down the trails that where they were
Speaker 1: walking in on um just you know, on the same
Speaker 1: concept of getting it, you know, in the hair follicles,
Speaker 1: even on their paths and everything, and they're taking that out.
Speaker 1: They're doing the work for you at that point, you know,
Speaker 1: so they're really spreading that out for you. UM. And
Speaker 1: the hauling um power of gold rush is really unbelievable. UM.
Speaker 1: I'll tell a short story about an outfitter in northern
Speaker 1: Saskatchewan that very skeptical outfitters are by far the hardest
Speaker 1: sell They've been doing it for a very very long
Speaker 1: time at a very high level. UM, and so anything new,
Speaker 1: they're very skeptical about anything they got to spend money on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you bet, you bet. And so we were having a
Speaker 1: discussion with one UM and I said, well, hey, why
Speaker 1: don't you just try one single bottle of gold rush
Speaker 1: out on one bait and we'll see what happens, you know.
Speaker 1: And and so we agreed to that. UM. So what
Speaker 1: ended up happening, UM, And the exact numbers I don't remember, uh,
Speaker 1: but it was somewhere around two boning Crockett bears and
Speaker 1: four pop and young bears. And one week time came
Speaker 1: off the same bait and the only bait they used
Speaker 1: gold rush on at a bait. One of the boone
Speaker 1: Crockett bears that came UM to this bait was completely nocturnal,
Speaker 1: eight miles away, never had visited that bait site before,
Speaker 1: showed up there during the daylight. UM. And they got
Speaker 1: that bear and they have been after that bear for
Speaker 1: a few years UM, and so he was completely he
Speaker 1: sold from that point, just blew him away, you know.
Speaker 1: And and uh, they joke about it, you know, the
Speaker 1: guys that were in the camp that week, We've talked
Speaker 1: to a few of them, were friends with a few
Speaker 1: of them, and and they were like it was just
Speaker 1: you know, it was it was crazy, you know, that
Speaker 1: they cherished that one eight ounce bottle of gold Rush
Speaker 1: like it was actual gold. You know, it was. It was.
Speaker 1: It was a neat story. And we've got multiple stories
Speaker 1: like that, especially Yeah, go ahead, Well this would be
Speaker 1: the kind of story that I hear. Did I hear
Speaker 1: more of my good friend who's a I call him
Speaker 1: the bear bait and Jedi of Arkansas, Ryan Grabb. He's
Speaker 1: been on the podcast before. He uh, and again this
Speaker 1: story isn't wasn't. He didn't make a big deal of this.
Speaker 1: He just told me this is he had a buddy
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma that was bait and bears had a marginal property.
Speaker 1: It was a property that didn't really attract that many bears,
Speaker 1: but it was it was it was the private land
Speaker 1: this guy had accessed all I had. He put out
Speaker 1: a bear bait there and I want to say he
Speaker 1: had the bait out for like three weeks and uh
Speaker 1: and he had I don't remember what he was baiting with,
Speaker 1: but it was good stuff. Not a single hit on
Speaker 1: the bait. He calls Ryan and says, Ryan, what should
Speaker 1: I do? Ryan Grabb said, you need to buy a
Speaker 1: ball of gold rush. The guy bought it, put out
Speaker 1: gold rush, and in two days had his first hit
Speaker 1: on the bait, and that that's that's what it does.
Speaker 1: And to go back even a little bit more in
Speaker 1: depth on the original story I told about using a
Speaker 1: drag rag. A couple of years ago baiting in Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Put out a bear bait in a place where I
Speaker 1: had it was an established bait. I had baited there
Speaker 1: one year before. Typically in baiting bears, if you you
Speaker 1: know bears, remember where food is at certain times, and
Speaker 1: so typically once you get going, it's pretty easy to
Speaker 1: keep them coming in. I'd baited one year before, so
Speaker 1: I thought, well, next year, leaving be better. I went
Speaker 1: out and put out my bait. Like I waited pretty late.
Speaker 1: I waited like two weeks before season, put up my bait,
Speaker 1: came back eight days later and nothing had been to
Speaker 1: the bait, which was really surprising, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what's going on here? And Uh, that's when I did
Speaker 1: the gold Rush drag rag. Just by foot, I cut
Speaker 1: off some para cord, put about a four ft strip
Speaker 1: hanging off my ankle, and went for a hike over
Speaker 1: into another scent area, you know, like in the mountains
Speaker 1: where we're hunting kolbe. And it's probably maybe the same
Speaker 1: way where you're hunting, but like you might have your
Speaker 1: bait down this valley and if the wind patterns aren't right,
Speaker 1: that scent is kind of contained. And so I find
Speaker 1: that if you can drag over into the next valley
Speaker 1: or get it out into another opening. What I did
Speaker 1: on this one was I walked down the creek to
Speaker 1: where it hit a bigger creek, and then walked down
Speaker 1: the bigger creek and basically spread out that scent signature
Speaker 1: and then like eight hours or I can't remember. I
Speaker 1: don't want to lie. It may not have been right.
Speaker 1: It may not have been aid out. It was within hours,
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, maybe at most, I can't remember. There
Speaker 1: was a change goal was there? And it actually worked
Speaker 1: out great because my strategy that year was to wait
Speaker 1: until close to season debate. I didn't want to bait
Speaker 1: them for two months. And why was that? Was there
Speaker 1: coition with it? Well, partly is it was. It took
Speaker 1: a half a day to bait that one spot by
Speaker 1: the time I drove there, and it was way back
Speaker 1: in And I found in Arkansas, when we're competing against
Speaker 1: natural food source in the fall, it's easy to hold
Speaker 1: a bear for a week it's hard to hold a
Speaker 1: bear for a month. And so if you can hit
Speaker 1: it just right and start later, sometimes you can hold
Speaker 1: a bear, you know. And every year I go back
Speaker 1: and forth. Sometimes I like to do that soon as
Speaker 1: they don't. But that year it bit me in the
Speaker 1: rear end because at first, anyway, and I baited two
Speaker 1: weeks before eight days in, still didn't have a bear.
Speaker 1: So I was like dog gone, should have bit it earlier.
Speaker 1: But then the gold rush saved me. And and and
Speaker 1: when that first bear showed up, then all the bears
Speaker 1: showed up. It was just like they were just out
Speaker 1: of that area. They were just somewhere else and they
Speaker 1: just needed a hint. Yeah, no, and I yeah, We've
Speaker 1: had certain scenarios that are exactly the same, you know,
Speaker 1: existing bait sites that we've had for twenty years. You know,
Speaker 1: you bade them the first week and it should be
Speaker 1: like clockwork, you know, you should have five six bears
Speaker 1: in there, and you come back and and there isn't.
Speaker 1: We had that this year, um in Minnesota where we
Speaker 1: were at and uh, you know, so I think in
Speaker 1: it that might be a little bit of a you know,
Speaker 1: a misconception to um. You know, I think everybody thinks
Speaker 1: that well clean newcome started a bear bait, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be thirty bears on that beat site. It doesn't always
Speaker 1: come easy, you know, and we gotta work for it
Speaker 1: and change are maybe not our philosophy, but the way
Speaker 1: we do things a little every year can be a
Speaker 1: little bit different. Yeah, So you know, and and I
Speaker 1: love the fact that you brought up that you you
Speaker 1: do only bait two weeks prior to the season, or
Speaker 1: maybe that's one way you've tried it and had some
Speaker 1: success now with it, because we see it both ways. UM,
Speaker 1: we get the question a lot. You know, even outfitters
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, they there's a very large time frame that
Speaker 1: they can bait in Wisconsin. UM, in Canada, and you
Speaker 1: know in other parts of the country as well. UM,
Speaker 1: and in Minnesota, we can only wait two weeks prior
Speaker 1: to the season opener, you know, when we have a
Speaker 1: ton of success in Minnesota, and so then you know,
Speaker 1: there isn't um quantity limitations though or anything like that.
Speaker 1: We're in Wisconsin, UM, and I speak to Wisconsin a
Speaker 1: lot because that's what I'm most familiar with and that's
Speaker 1: where I'm from. UM. Maybe and maybe that would be
Speaker 1: a good place to to give us an overview of
Speaker 1: a lot of people might not be familiar. But like
Speaker 1: in some of the Northeastern states, you can only there's
Speaker 1: no baiting, but you can use scent. You can use
Speaker 1: a certain amount of scent, like in New York and
Speaker 1: where else? Uh so New York and um man, New
Speaker 1: York the first one that comes to mind. No, they
Speaker 1: can't use anything at no no. Um. But we so
Speaker 1: we do a show in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, and that draws
Speaker 1: a lot of people from their surrounding states. And so
Speaker 1: I'm I can't remember the exact rules and regulations to
Speaker 1: each and every sense. You can't, right yep. Um, Like
Speaker 1: North Carolina just opened up bear baiting this year. Um,
Speaker 1: and it is hang on, Brian needs a bottle of
Speaker 1: blueberry here, oh this spray here you go? Um so Um,
Speaker 1: North Carolina opened up a bear baiting season this year,
Speaker 1: and they can use like corn. Um. I want to say,
Speaker 1: they can use peanuts, but there can't be any fat Yep, exactly,
Speaker 1: it's got to be all natural. But um, a lot
Speaker 1: of those states um up around that per area can
Speaker 1: use up to two ounces, you know, and so that's
Speaker 1: where our powders, and especially the gold Rush in a
Speaker 1: in a format that isn't mixed with the with the
Speaker 1: grease really comes into play. Um, we do a little
Speaker 1: test where we'll, you know, tip the bottle of gold
Speaker 1: Rush upside down, just let a little bit run into
Speaker 1: the cap, take the cap off and wipe it out
Speaker 1: with a just a uh Q tip yeah yep, and
Speaker 1: hold it in front of their face and they can't
Speaker 1: have it within four ft because it's just so pungent
Speaker 1: and you know, so it really grabs their attention because
Speaker 1: in a scent wick um application it works really well
Speaker 1: as well. So you know those states that you know
Speaker 1: are well listening maybe and they're saying, man, I'd love
Speaker 1: to be able to do that. I just can't. You know,
Speaker 1: we can't bait. We can only use up to two
Speaker 1: ounces you know of any sort of attract and um,
Speaker 1: so there you go, I mean, are are gold Rush
Speaker 1: can be used as a cent wick. Our spray Sense
Speaker 1: could be used as a scent wick as well. Um,
Speaker 1: Golder's gonna last a little longer, a little more pungent
Speaker 1: really gets out there. The powders are super super potent
Speaker 1: as you know, um, it's very hard to explain over
Speaker 1: you know, a podcast, just how just how potent they are.
Speaker 1: They that scent really travels um. And the best part
Speaker 1: about the powders themselves, they're five hundred times to the sugar.
Speaker 1: You know, you can it's not considered a bait, it's
Speaker 1: considered an attracting and you can go ahead and sprinkle
Speaker 1: that out on logs and stuff that and just even
Speaker 1: on the on the ground, you know, anything that will
Speaker 1: absorb a little bit of water something that makes that
Speaker 1: that much stronger um. And they really really do. What
Speaker 1: I like about the powders when I use them is
Speaker 1: that it's not messy. No, it's not at all. The
Speaker 1: other stuff is oil based. It's kind of you know,
Speaker 1: when you're carrying around a bottle of gold Rush, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like you're carrying around a bomb. Like if
Speaker 1: it if it spills in your car, it's a good smell,
Speaker 1: but you're kind gonna smell like for a long time.
Speaker 1: But but the point being, some people like I can
Speaker 1: throw this in a in a backpack and like, because
Speaker 1: I have been doing some remote bait sites where I'm
Speaker 1: carrying stuff and uh, but anyway that it's kind of
Speaker 1: nice to have a dry powder and it is super strong.
Speaker 1: You open it up and it it's super strong. It is. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: um man, that's good. You know. My main objective was
Speaker 1: just to kind of familiarize people with your products, talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about how we're using them, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, not everybody's gonna bait bears. But there's there's
Speaker 1: a lot of states that cambait bears. All the Canadian
Speaker 1: provinces except British Columbia and well and none of it
Speaker 1: and some of the other the real northern provinces, right,
Speaker 1: but they can bait bears on private land and New
Speaker 1: Jersey and North Carolina thing bait bears, Arkansas, Oklahoma, a
Speaker 1: lot of the Western states, the Great Lake States, Minnesota, Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: Michigan combate bears. I mean, I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: there's like seventeen states or something's somewhere in there, you know,
Speaker 1: And there's a few, uh, there's a few that you know,
Speaker 1: like North Carolina just added there's you know, and so
Speaker 1: there's a few more popping up. And I guess I'm
Speaker 1: not sure a hundred percent on the regulations in Florida,
Speaker 1: they well, there's no hunt in Florida. I don't think
Speaker 1: took it away. And I don't know if there's any
Speaker 1: foreseeable future in bringing that back or not, you know,
Speaker 1: but I sure hope so, yeah, I hope it comes
Speaker 1: back to and Cobe. Every time I'm talking about bear hunting,
Speaker 1: I always want to tie it back into conservation, which
Speaker 1: I feel like it's got to be on the lips
Speaker 1: of every bear hunter in twenty nineteen. Is that you know,
Speaker 1: we're talking about using sense to attract bears. The the
Speaker 1: end goal of this is that we could be selective
Speaker 1: in our harvest. That's the way I look at it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not and that's the way we should
Speaker 1: look at it, is that conservation based hunting means that
Speaker 1: we are very selective in which animal we take. That's
Speaker 1: why I use scent products commercial sense on my baits.
Speaker 1: Is I'm trying to get that older, mature mail where
Speaker 1: I can take him out of the population. And to me,
Speaker 1: it's a you know, I mean, to somebody that didn't
Speaker 1: understand baiting, they're like, oh man, these guys are you know,
Speaker 1: using these high powered sense to drawing bear. There's a
Speaker 1: conservation side to it. Too. I mean, if all you
Speaker 1: can draw into your bear, if you can, if you
Speaker 1: can draw in five animals rather than three, there's a
Speaker 1: better chance. And that five animals that you're gonna have
Speaker 1: one that's an older, mature male. That is the right
Speaker 1: one to take out of the population. That's also the
Speaker 1: right one that we're after his hunters too. We want
Speaker 1: to kill, we want to kill a big bear. We're
Speaker 1: not hiding that fact. But that's also the bear that
Speaker 1: we need to take out. From a conservation perspective, He's
Speaker 1: already contributed to the gene pool. He's done his job.
Speaker 1: He's a perfect one to take out. So you know,
Speaker 1: this is uh uh, this is this is a tool
Speaker 1: a tool for that. But man, hey, thanks for thanks
Speaker 1: for being on the podcast. Man no, it's my pleasure.
Speaker 1: It's my pleasure. It was great to listen to you.
Speaker 1: And Bernie converts back and forth, and yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: great guy to be around. Yeah, he he. He really
Speaker 1: thinks analytically about about bear baiting. I mean, probably more
Speaker 1: than anybody that I know. We all we all tend to,
Speaker 1: you know, we all tend to yeah, nerd out Uh
Speaker 1: well cool, Well, I hope you guys have a great
Speaker 1: a t a show. And hey guys, thanks for checking
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Speaker 1: Big fish in a really small pond, but that's what
Speaker 1: makes us awesome. And uh check out our YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: You'll see a lot of I've got quite a few
Speaker 1: YouTube videos, especially the vlogs that we were doing back
Speaker 1: in the summer that highlighted the Northwood stuff. We do
Speaker 1: some Northwoods giveaways every year and uh so check out
Speaker 1: our YouTube channel. And uh any closing thoughts Colby, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: just uh, I appreciate the opportunity sitting on them and
Speaker 1: talk about it. Yeah. Man, Well keep the wild places
Speaker 1: wild because that's where the bears live. Es